Serious question for Americunts, why do all your service industry workers expect to be tipped for doing their fucking jobs?
Inb4 "they get shitty wages", how the fuck is that my problem as a customer??
Because restaurants have gotten away with not having to pay thier employees a liveable wage for so long that it's ingrained in the culture. This also means that it's not added to the cost of your meal either. So you're getting cheaper food and better service as a result of your server actually trying to earn thier rent money. So stop being a cheap tourist cunt and just pay your fucking server.
We don't tip in my country (unless the service is really really exceptional) because the government makes sure that everyone gets paid the same minimum wage. Therefore, the barman doesnt expect you to give him extra money for opening a can of beer
It's called generosity. You don't have to tip, it's only an option if you so choose. Get over it.
It's not generosity, the customer is 100% expected to tip in a bar/restaurant/barber etc. If you don't tip, you're looked upon as a complete dick.
The argument about better service is completely untrue also, if you have travelled to any other country, you will have seen that the servers are generally more competent and polite in other countries without a tipping culture
So you are saying that in all functions, all transactions in your country are 100% logical and there is no faulty system that you still use anywhere?
Yeah fucking right. Where do you live?
Yes, that is correct. Also, you're now attempting to move the argument away from American tipping culture (which you also seem to be admitting is stupid). I live in a prosperous European nation where the government ensures an equal minimum wage for all workers
Tipping is a generous act. People can be pissed if they want, but it isn't required. If people don't make enough tips to make the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the remainder. Either way they get paid minimum wage.
>I live in a prosperous European nation
kekd, probably a europoor slav. Won't say where.
I do think tipping is stupid, that doesn't mean anything. It's not worth me getting butthurt or anything. I guess it is for you, but I assume just to hate on america.
You know theres tons of legit things to make fun of, our cops kill us in the streets on a daily basis.
>Inb4 "they get shitty wages", how the fuck is that my problem as a customer??
Because if they weren't paid shitty wages, the cost of those goods and services would rise to pay for the difference.
You'd be paying the tip in either situation.
originally tipping was frowned upon in america, it was seen as a form of bribery. everyone deserved to be served equally and taking tips was enabling the upper class to receive better service. but during Prohibition (the legalization of alcohol in america) restaurants and bars profits declined so much that they couldnt pay their servers a proper living wage, hence servers were encouraged to take tips to make ends meet. it eventually became customary for everyone to do so because waiters still for some stupid fucking reason dont get paid a livable wage
>If people don't make enough tips to make the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the remainder. Either way they get paid minimum wage.
And then they get their ass fired. If it was because their bad work was costing them tips, then fine. If it's because dick customers aren't tipping them, well shit, they just lost their job because of a broken system.
Where the fuck do you work every restaurant like Denny's or ihop's has servers earning tips on top of minimum wage they are not making 2 dollars an hour I do not know where the fuck this exists..
I don't agree at all, genuinely not trolling here. I found that the servers in American restaurants frequently messed up my orders or took an extremely long time to come over and take my order, compared to servers in my home country
If you consistently need to be paid more money from your place of employment because of your lack of tips, do you REALLY think that place of employment won't replace you with someone they won't have to pay extra?
Do you HONESTLY think that's how minimum wage employment works in America? People get fired *snap* like that all the time.
You do not get minimum wage if employed in a tipped position. You make substantially less money directly from your place of employment.
My experience contradicts your experience. Both could easily be attributed to being treated like a foreigner, but I don't put much stock in personal experiences.
Still thinks it good for service, I tip more the better the service. Pretty much everyone does.
not all service workers expect tips, just waitstaff since they're only paid a few cents ove $2 an hour. if they dont make the standard federal minimum from their tips, their employer has to make up the difference. if the employer has to make up the difference too many times, they'll fire the employee and replace them with someone who can pull in more tips. the reason waitstaff push for tips is because they arent being fully paid for their work, the cstomer is expected to make up the difference and if the customer doesnt, the employee is in danger of loosing their job. the employer's profit trumps employee rights everytime.
Maybe not usa then but I'm from Canada and we have tipping culture here and i found bar service extremely poor in the UK and Ireland
Bar tenders there show no haste and don't care if you've been served or not. I could wait at the bar cash in hand and not get served for several minutes whereas in Canada you get served as soon as you step up to the bar even if its crazy busy
I live in the US and have worked in restaurants. They go through seasons of being busy, they don't fire people in the off season because there is less tips to go around and they have to pay people more.
Regardless of what you may think, most restaurants are not like the walmarts in the world, they are people that live close to the people they employ, Americans are not robots.
>Americans are not robots.
they sure are treated like robots, since robots are their main competition. why pay a salary when you can make a one time payment for a machine thats more precise and works 24/7 with no breaks?
Robots are not competition they are time savers. Laundromats are not in competition with fucking washing machines, they both exist and you can use either.
We create things like washing machines because they do work for us and that is a good thing. If you think that is something to be afraid of then you are either a troll or completely retarded.
It's important to note that tipped wages in Canada are far better than they are in the US. IF your province has a lower minimum wage for tipped positions, it's a difference of 2 dollars per hour from the $10+ minimum, not a reduction to $2 per hour like most of the states in the US.
like what? pass legislation thats lobbied against by the armies of lobbyists and lawyers the employers use that spare profit to pay? you think.now ones thought of this before? what's a few thousand people living in poverty going to do against a handful of billionaires with politicians on their payroll?
8 an hour is average
literally nothing, income tax takes 20% sales takes another 7.5%
most waiters cant get full time either so theres no benefits and cant get overtime. most young adults get houses with total strangers because its literally impossible to live on your own sustainably.
owning a car is completely mandatory car insurance is ridiculously expensive until you are 25 (mine went from 200 a month to 50 the day i turned 25)
college bankrupts most people before they can even start a career
basically youth in america is doomed
Who are you going to pay to maintain and fix the machine? Sounds expensive.
*best country in the world*
>Laundromats are not in competition with fucking washing machines
youre right, machines are not competition for othr machines. tell the thousands of factory workeds without jobs who have been replaced with robotic arms that robots arent their competition. this isnt theory, this is practice.
We do it to award people who are good at service jobs. Because unlike you communist pieces of shit we like to reward hard work and don't think some lazy nigger giving you terrible service deserves to earn the same amount as someone who works really hard.
no, a highly trained specialist. someone who there are very few of due to the difficulty and expense of the skills required for the position. there isnt one specialist per machine, its one specialist for every machine.
They need an actual reason to fire you, such as negatively impacting the work environment (maybe being a dick to customers). Lack of tips doesn't equate to probable cause for termination of employment. The employer would easily be sued if they fired an employee just for not making enough tips to match the federal minimum wage.
Federal is $7.25/hr with waiters getting federal $2.15? I think. Haven't looked at it in a while. The only tipped jobs I know of that make the full $7.25 is delivery drivers as they provide their own vehicle and gas. But here's the thing. A good server or driver that makes good tips can pull in some good numbers and a lot of places don't count it into the income. There's people I know that don't even work in large cities pulling down their $7.25 during the week and come Friday and Saturday they make like $20-$30/hr as an average for the night. Its just like your shitty barista hipsters pissing and moaning about "muh $15!!!"
The US is doing fine, we have had washing machines for 40 years, no job catastrophe.
Automated cars might be what you are looking for, since transportation is 25% of the workforce. But guess what, we will still be fine and better for it. Faggot
A highly trained specialist and an expensive robot is still very much more expensive than a cook and it will be for some time. When it's not, we won't need that job, but it will still be around.
Some day everyone will basically be an artist. That's a good thing.
youd be suprised how corrupt america is buddy.
ive been fired for not making enough tips. they can say if you arent making tips then you obviously arent doing your job optimally. which is an excuse for termination.
You've gotta be dense. I'm a server in the US, I make $2.13 an hour, taxed. My paychecks are anywhere from $0.20 to $5. The tips given are the living wage, it's done like that here so that servers are always giving the most exceptional service that they can. Paid a flat wage, one wouldn't be as motivated to excel.
You need to get work at a new place because if you want to make minimum wage after tips serving burgers then just work at fucking mcdonalds. I don't know any waiters who only make minimum wage.
This. Incentive to earn your tips. I always tip at least $5 for base service if spending like $20 or so. If the service is like on point to the point that I notice, I'll go as high as $10. The only way I go less than $5 is if the service sucks. $4 less than par, $3 terrible, $2 worst ever. But I still tip as my wife cares what people think and in either of those 3 situations if I was alone I wouldn't tip shit.
We are talking about fucking restaurants and tips. What the fuck do they need 100 employees for?
My paid wage is $2.13 an hour, and my tips are taxed, leaving my paychecks that low. I keep my tip money. I'm not sure where you got the idea that my pay at the end of the day is less than minimum wage or that it has anything to do with burgers, but my point is, tips are the payment servers get in this country. That's how it's set up, those that don't tip are either ignorant or assholes. Often times, both
car factories are not machines, they are factories that use machines. eithr way, neithe employ employees, and both contribute nothing to their local economy, especially the multinational shipping its profits offshore.
Australian here so I was treated as a foreigner in both the US and Yurop.
European service, quality and general attitude was significantly better in my experience. This was across a whole bunch of countries/states and the whole spectrum of dining establishments (fast food thru to fancy shit)
I wasn't him. Being a server isn't for everyone. And it definitely shouldn't be making a livable wage as an hourly rate. That shit should be reserved for HS kids, housewives wanting an extra few bucks, and as a transition from one job to the next. Or for someone who's just passionate about being a server. I've never done it. I know I would suck at it. Same with sales.
>f you were following the converation, which you obvioulsy weren't, that was a hypothetical about factory work.
a restaurant chain employs far more than 100 waitstaff and would happily replace them all with a touch screen.
Seriously question to anyone who has experience in multiple countries. Which ones tended to cost more? I would assume US restaurants charge less since they don't really pay servers
walmatr has no waitstaff and therefore has no one who relies on tips, no matter the size of the restautant, they all pay the same minimum for waitstaff, youre using false equivalence.
using an example of an industry already effected by automation for an industry beginning to feel the effects of automation is not off topic, it's an example of what will and is occurring
>Replying to bait
Servers are paid below the legal minimum wage in America. This is done with the assumption they are being tipped to make up the difference. If you eat at a restaurant and don't tip the server, you fuck them over. You aren't sending some righteous message society, you just made it harder for one to pay rent.
Yes they agreed to the job, but that doesn't give you the right to stiff them. They took the job assuming they'd receive enough money to pay their bills. If you still refuse to tip, don't complain when you get dirty looks and people call you a cheap asshole.
We don't tip any other industry because it's the only industry that is usually a small business.
Small chinese restaurants are not chains, mom and pop pizza places are not chains, most sit down restaurants are family owned and their main incomes.
If we tipped our cops in the US for giving us a ticket you would have something to make fun of, but like I said earlier, if you wanted to make fun of america, pick a legit topic like cops shooting us in the face on the regular.
$9 for a fucking hot dog?!? Fuck that. In the rest of the civilized world hot dogs are the cheapest thing you can order. Usually like $1-2 at your average restaurant. Unless it's an actual hot dog place. Don't compare major cities to regular places.
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Because for some dumbass reason or another, servers/waiters and waitresses, and bartenders make below the legal minimum wage and expect to get by on the genorosity of others rather than finding a better fucking job.
It's dumber than hell, I know, and I won't argue about it. It's basically like taking a pan-handler, throwing them in a restaurant and hoping for the best. But 90% of the time, these people have zero charm or social skills, and just expect people to give them money for literally no reason. Even the ones who know they do their job EXTRA shitty, still expect a tip for God knows what fucking reason.
I always tip generously, just because I can afford it and I honestly feel bad for these dipshits for actually sticking with their line of work. I'm no rich fuck, I work in fields, I landscape lawns, I paint your shitty ass houses and garages. I work, typically, three different jobs a week. Every single one of them require no skill, no experience, and pay 10x better than a shit service industry job.
I don't understand why people even do it, they literally live like beggars then get pissed when people don't give them more than $2 for doing their job shittily.
There is no other industry. Servers are one of(if not the only) profession paid below the legal minimum wage. This is legal because it's typical of our culture to tip servers, and therefore safe to assume they are receiving at least minimum wage
When it's typical of the culture to tip for the service. As in it could be statically proven that non tipping occurs at such a low frequency to be almost non existent.
People tip so often at restaurants that they would be over paying if tips weren't factored into the cost of business. Solution is servers get paid less, meal costs less on the menu, customer pays fair amount. Profit margins are usually slim in the restaurant industry so it's almost provable that higher server wages would affect the cost of a meal.
something that is sold 10$ to the client already got taxes. If no then increase the full price instead of forcing the client to give tips. Fucking maggot. Uneducated piece of shit.
By almost always getting more than minumum wages. Don't be a retard, if servers were only making minimum wage then they wouldn't be busting their ass, they would get a job at Burger King and smoke weed in the back with a guaranteed minimum wage check every week.
>Don't compare major cities to regular places.
that's sort of what he's talking about... it really depends on your region and how close you live to the city or a tourist spot.
prices change like wild all over the US, due to different cost-of-living
It's high turnover or low skill/desperate workforce. Most don't make a career out of it. They get in, realize the work is shit and income unpredictable, and get out. It also makes you racist. My buddy was a waiter for about a year, and could easily predict his tip. He was surprised that Arab people tipped well. He thinks it's because they are afraid already that Americans hate them, so they want to be nice and fit in
I usually cut my own hair, just because I buzz it and if you can't buzz your own hair you're retarded. But I've heard of people tipping their bartenders, and my sister goes out with my fiance about every other week to get their nails done and they always tip the little chinks in the nail salon. It costs them like $25 just to have their nails done, and they always tip them like $10-15 dollars after as well.
Still, my estimates were very low. To get any accuracy youd have to visit that number of restaurants of each part of the cities you were in, and coast to coast, you'd need to stop along 80+ places. Prices vary wildly
I think the most we could expect to pay for a hotdog here in GA would be maybe $3.50 at sonic for a specialty dog. Unless we go to a braves game and pay whatever that costs for a plain dog with mustard on it. I think they're somewhere between $8-$12. Idk. Stadium and arena food and drink prices are ridiculous. Like $12 for a bud lite. Horseshit.
1. It's a local custom. Tipping practices vary widely by country. Consult your nearest tourist book.
2. In restaurants, the US system worked pretty well for years. In France they tack on an automatic tip, and the waiters are surly. In the US, shitty service means no tip. So service is pretty good here.
3. OTOH, the standard tip has risen from 15% to 18%(?). Yiyi. Enough is enough.
4. Yes, lots of bartenders get tipped.
I usually go for the $3-4 ones. Can't stand the quality of the cheap ones, not worth it in my opinion, if I'm being cheap I'll eat at home
Yeah, specialty dogs at a stadium are the $12 I was talking about. Bought one once for the hell of it. I'd be alright paying maybe $3 for it, was shit
There's a hot dog place near me that blows sonic bullshit dogs out of the water. All kinds of toppings and only like$2 each. He uses those good flat sided rolls that stand up on their own too, not the plain round ones
Competition is awesome for food selection and quality. I'll sound stupid for saying it, but Groupon is great for this. Restaurants get desperate to bring new people in and put awesome deals on there. Like $20 for$40 worth of food
Makes you feel real shitty paying that much for ONE hotdog when for $3.50 you can get 24 Gwaltney great dogs or really splurge and pay the $6-8 or whatever it is(I just get the great dogs) and get 24 all beef Franks. Little charcoal, $10 worth of bread(less if you don't get potato rolls but cmon its current year), condiments, friends, hell. For less than $20 you can have a bangin cookout and if everyone brings their own beer, it's a real party. I typically try to do burgers myself. And Walmart just brought back their 32 burger box for $17
Well, obviously, but it's really not that complicated and there's always privately owned companies that are willing to hire anyone who is actually willing to work. I have this one tiny girl who works with me, you'd think looking at her that she could barely lift a hotdog on her own, but she'll lay sod and move stone just as good as any man would. There's also a fat chick I work with time to time that keeps the pace with us.
I move a lot of hay as well, and there's girls on multiple farms that put the guys to shame putting in work.
Like I said before, I always tip well. But it doesn't mean that I think I should, and I'm definitely not giving anybody a pat on the back for doing their fucking job properly.
I, just like most working-class people in this country, work multiple jobs a week and don't expect a penny more paid than for the work I actually put in. I personally believe if you don't like the pay you make, suck it up until you find a better job.
Barely anybody is happy with their jobs, hell, I'm not. I work multiple just to get by but if you are literally depending on people to pay your way for everything it's time to find something new.
A free ride is only acceptable when you're a kid. Past 18, it's just pathetic
Because tip;ping means we get better service you autistic nigger.
They should too. And incentivizing on par or better service works. As I said earlier. If everyone else is making their money and you aren't then you need a new line of work. Don't believe for a second that the bubbly nice server that is on point and attentive is making "shit wages". Her actual paycheck might be shitty. But what she's taking home in cash every night is probably a bill payment plus extras. And that guy that left you sitting with an empty glass for 30 min is probably going home with a ten spot and getting on 4chan to bitch about how the service industry in america is the only place in the world that takes tips.
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Doubtful. USDA steaks are pure shit tier.
Went to Keens in NYC as it was supposed to be exceptional. Got the house special (can't remember what it was... Rib eye, maybe) and it had no flavour at all.
No wonder A1 sauce is such a big thing over there.
Nigger it's meat. The steaks quality lies purely in the cook. I haven't found anyone that can cook a steak better than me but I was taught by a Ruth's Chris chef(neighbor when I was younger). I can't afford theirs so I haven't tried it but even then I still get its not better. Lern2grill my nig and you'll always be disappointed by "professionals"
And I don't really have a problem with guns, I was just being snarky. Besides, people can easily leave the city for their guns and ammo purchases if they wish to avoid the tax.
That's cool. Snark is acceptable especially when you own it like that. I just made an assumption simply because I know like 3 people in my core group that don't own guns. But that being said I can be quite snarky myself. I just like them and can own and carry so I do and this is largely attributed to me not being a shitbag to the point that the govt says I can't. I'm not gonna tell you that you need to or whatever. It's a personal choice and shouldn't be taken lightly. So you do you fam. If anyone ever tries to rape you to death in front of me I'll gladly shoot them for you.
I've considered owning a gun because I live in a fairly rough neighborhood, but the truth is that I'm a pretty big guy with street smarts, so people tend not to give me shit. I still go to the local range periodically to keep my shooting skills on point though.