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Are we living in a virtual reality?
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>>702453079
No.
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Of we find the end of π maybe
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Yes
And there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>702453079
>yes anon, depression, obesity, and faggotry have you...
Enjoy your stay within the matrix. Thank you!
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>>702453079

Possibly, I doubt it, but possibly.
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Could we possibly evolve into a species that simulates it's evolution?
>yes, possibly
You're not entitled to believe this if you don't accept that we might be the simulation.
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>>702453079
Occam's razor says we're not.
No guarantees though.
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No the idea of true virtual reality wasn't intruduce till the early 70s even 80s.
The question is when will we live in a virtual reality.
The process where you can store your memories and relived them.
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>>702453915
What college did you go to?
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>>702453915
How do you know that all the history you think you know is not just a lie?
Perhaps the real world is super advanced, but we wouldn't know about it because they simulate us in the past.

Like in The Matrix.
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>>702454018
probably some online one
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>>702454193
What is the point of discussing this. This is vsauce tier shit
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>>702453079
Doesn't matter
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>>702454336
True, but just pointing out a flaw in your logic.
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>>702453079
It doesn't matter
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>>702454193
Because of the past great civilizations that have come before. If to think that we (you, me, op) are in a virtual reality who's living in who's ? If you are in a VR that would mean someone is in control correct? So you couldn't be doing things you want.
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>>702453079
No. We live in an absurdity. There is only the illusion of order to tease us along a path of folly, ever awaiting the moment we will finally understand, and be free. Reality is a joke of a cruel God, you are a joke and everything you ever know and learn culminating to the last second you draw breath is just to set you up for death, the punchline to existence.
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>>702453079
Whether it is or it isn't, free will is still just an illusion. So it doesn't matter.
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obvs OP

>ISHYGDDT

lol lel kek irl

gr8 b8 m80
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>>702454828
>mentioning free will
Back to >>>/sci/
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>>702453079
kys and find out
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>>702453079
I'm dreaming the whole god damned thing
When I wake up, you're all fucked
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>>702455203
wake up soon
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>>702453079

No. But there are people who want to promote that meme for nefarious purposes.
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>>702454712
You're making a lot of assumptions there.
First you're assuming that I and OP are real people, not just programs in the system.
Second, it doesn't matter if someone's in control. They might just take pleasure from deceiving you, and while you are doing things you want, the world in which you're acting is all a lie.

And what does "past great civilizations" have to do with anything?
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>>702453841
>Occam's razor says we're not

There have been a couple of experiments that back the razor up.
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>>702455719
Like what?
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>>702455819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#Testing_the_razor
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>>702455068
You can delude yourself into feeling special but we are all just energy vibrating in the aether.
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>>702454828
Seen a lot of bad shit on /b over the years but that photo is depressing as fuck.
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>>702453079
who cares? Virtual reality or not this is our reality.
Unless you can get hacks then it doesn't really fucking matter, virtual or not.
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Chances are this is all a simulation.
Matter being a partice only when observed, etc.
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>>702456251
How to escape, and be part of real reality?
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>>702455891
Well I'll be, old Occam was right.
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>>702453079
fuck you op
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You'll never know, just enjoy the ride and don't think about why you're on it.
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The simplest thing would be if nothing existed, but since obviously something exists, the simplest thing is then that everything exists.

For anyone who wants to dig deeper in to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2sYIORYb7Y
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>>702456328
Has that even been proven?
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>>702456328
Exactly.
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>>702456421
We invent our own simulated reality. We are already heading there. Just looks at OR. It is beginning.
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>>702455819

Fuck if I recall. I watch a lot of science related tv and read a lot on line. I remember it popping up at least twice in the past 3 years. Then again, there are some cosmologists that argue other wise.

Here's a good discussion on the topic:
https://motherboard.vice.com/read/we-dont-live-in-a-simulation
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>>702456579
Yes. It is mainstream science.
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>>702456579
>>702456653

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227126-neil-degrasse-tyson-says-its-very-likely-the-universe-is-a-simulation

so stop being a faggot and talk to that girl
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>>702453079
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You can't tell what magic spells will be doin for us
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>>702453079
I think it's something of the sort. If it isn't VR I think its a ghost in the shell situation where our 'spirit' inhabits a physical form so it can interact with the environment. I do think everything is preordained too, so it would be very similar to a simulation if it wasnt one.
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>>702456782
So when we create our own vr that is when we escape into real reality
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>>702456050
>implying I give a shit about whether or not I technically have free will
Only psychology majors and autists care about the distinction. Even if my "choices" are just a sequence of deterministic chemical decision making, they still make me way less of a faggot than you are so I'm generally okay with it
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>>702456849

Neil Degrasse Tyson is an arrogant hack. He just does nice in front of a camera.
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>>702453079
the speed of light is actually the limit to speed because if we could go any faster the updates wouldn't be ready by the time we got to where ever we're going
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>>702455891
That is not even like scientifically a rule.
Just some shit a guy thought would be helpful.
Whether it is or not is relative to the individual.
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>>702456944
A framework with gaps which allow expression
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>>702457241
so read the same conclusion from someone you don't hate.
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>>702456958
Figure so, we become infinite in that realm.

Just pure possibility, what ever you can think up you will have. We created this game called life because getting everything you want is only fun for so long. We made a game that surprises us instead. That we cannot control with just our minds. It puts a limitation on our abilities as creature of the Any.
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It's a really fuckin gay one if it is
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>>702457420
Not really, I think all the choices or actions we take are done already and that we're reenacting them. I think free will and expression are a delusion.
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>>702457567
I top keked
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>>702453079
Our subjective realities are personal simulations so yes.
But the universe we share is not simulated. Merely computational so no
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>>702457476
I have thought this too, if you have everything existence becomes boring and predictable...

And so here we are ; )
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>>702457690
If free will were a delusion life would be far more predictable.

Could you offer some insight on your views? What makes you think choice does not exist?
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>>702457808
Do you realize what it means though? It means that there is nothing at all to worry about. You can literally live life to its fullest. No limitation on it, expect for time. When you die you just become infinite again, and you can choose to do something else.
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>>702453079
Yes, though probably not in the sense you mean. We experience reality in a simulated form in our own minds. It's an intetpretation of reality, and objectively limited in all kinds of ways - we can't see x-rays, we can't hear the entire range of sounds, etc. We're conscious within the simulation, but often not aware that it's not reality until something glitches out. Drugs, optical illusions and other things can remind you that you're experiencing reality through a virtual, purely biological filter.
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>>702458208
Do it to the fullest the first time just to be sure
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>>702457476
>We created a game called life because getting everything you want is only fun for so long
That's only true in the context of flawed human psychology. You can't just assume that to be the default just because it's how we mentally operate. A true VR paradise isn't just granting everything you could want, it's making you infinitely and eternally happy with anything and everything. And at that point, we're not even human anymore. But who cares? As humans we always try and fit these grand schemes into the framework of our psychology, which is biased bullshit. Our inability to fully separate ourselves from our inherent nature is ultimately what limits us. And nothing we will be able to do will be able to make that complete separation, because the action itself would require that we have already achieved that potential. It's a fundamental catch 22 of nature. Anyway enough with this philosophical bullshit, I need to get some sleep
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>>702454018
where niggers go to

>>702453915
ofc there is no way to prove this is a virtual reality, but for most of us who has understanding of this "system" knows something is up...

this is also the reason why freemasons exist, because they think if they believe in the "deceiver" they will also be able to get a chance to pull strings... but we all know where it ends for all of them

there are only a couple of stories of "beings" who stayed in this place and left it... and also history does repeat itself since this is hell, and you soul are trapped here forever and cannot go anywhere else, so you just decide to enter another womb and live this shit life again..
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>>702453079
Define virtual reality. Define reality.
you will find they are the same thing at their core.
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>>702458448
What does it mean to be human though? We are just pure consciousness, slowly learning the rules of the game.
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>>702458208
You sound very much like me.

As long as you keep an open mind this way of thinking is very healthy, have many beliefs and have faith in the unknown.

Also treat every experience as though it were real eve n if you are convinced it is not. Safety
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>>702453079
Yes, you are in hell right now (or maybe it's just me).
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Here's my take on it. The speed of evolution of computer technology means that the gambling odds of us being in a vr world like the Matrix are actually higher that the odds of us not being in one. Both are long odds but the smallest figure is defiantly 100% us being in a vr world. When I found that out much fear ensued.
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>>702458061
Think of it like this. This life is a long movie, and we assume our role whatever that may be. The movie is done already, and we're along for the ride, but for us its all new. So we do our thing but everything we do is already set in motion and the outcome is known. So if we're in this movie, we could say we had free will, and to us we would have it, but to someone who has seen the movie before, they would know exactly what we would do. I think that we come into this life and play this part so we can learn something, and we just keep on doing that in different situations until we reach our final form.
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>>702457466

I don't hate the guy. He's just not a hardcore physicist/cosmologist like Micheal Strauss or Michio Kaku so I am less likely to accept his pronouncements as gospel. I did agree with him on the whole Pluto-is-not-a-planet thing even if it wasn't his decision.
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>>702453079
If we are the grphics are shit
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>>702458748
I understand the concept, what makes you believe it is true?
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>>702458842
>underrated post
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>>702458842

Need a fucking upgrade.
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>>702453079
I would say no.

People adapt this delusion based on the technology of the time.

Wht people before tech was advance enought o sayna simulation was...are we living in a dream?

Its just delusional.
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>>702459135
Well, I had a near death experience and I've been convinced of it ever since. I have no proof or scientific basis for it.
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>>702459383
What happened during this near death experience?
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>>702458679
It has already been proven. Tom Campell has created a bulletproof logical system that solves it.

The point of the system is to decrease entropy and re-achieve our lost paradise.
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>>702459383
yea, near death experience can do that..

i also think that is why you are in shock for a long while after it, cause you're trying to puzzle it all together
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>>702459157
>>702459263
Through dreaming I have seen realities much more detailed and physically complex than our current reality.

What I have experienced leads me to believe in the concept of multiple realities and a singular source of creation.
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>>702459610
go away shlomo
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what if

reality = dream
dream = reality
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get
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>>702460026
Good try
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>>702459610
Well, even though it is almost certainly true I will continue to search for other possibilities.

It is very entertaining after all.
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>>702459986
It is all dream and waking outlander........
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>>702459583
After freezing for hours, something came to me and started lifting me up out of the darkness. It started talking to me and eventually asked me about my family. I said 'fuck them, they dont give a shit abou tme anyway' and they said I wasnt ready, at which point I was dropped down and woke up in the hospital. After that I just remembered things, like from before I was born. I remembered when they came to me and told me I needed to go through this in order to learn what I needed, and that if I didnt go through this life I could do it but it would take a long time. I remembered that I basically said that if it was what I had to do I had better just do it. Then they asked me if I was ready, and when I confirmed I was lowered down, and I saw my parents having sex, and I dropped in. Life began from there. After that I knew it was all set up.

>>702459620
This was 20 years ago, you may be right though.
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>>702453320
How would you know?
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>>702460635
Imagination is the limit of our individual reality.
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>>702460983
You could be right, but I go with what Im given.
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>>702461219
Fair enough.

Be Willing to build on that when you have gone as far as you can.
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>>702460925
>>702453320
>>702453841
Because we have numbers like pi and the square root of two that have no end. The fact that there are infinitely long numbers shows that we are not in a computer. No computer could ever have the processing power to calculate the end of infinite numbers
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>>702459765
Lucid dreams?
I have them have astral projection happen on occasion. Had some being Im convinced was lillith visit me.
Got some mugwort I'm gonna used to experience the dream realm more try connect with my subconscious change a few things. I also tried sensory deprivation last week. Gonna go back that was an experience.
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>>702461800
This was so etching more advanced.

I did not try for this, it was a gift and a privilege.

I have had lucid dreams too on other occasions.
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>>702462195
Much*
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>>702456328
>Matter being a partice only when observed
The Copenhagen Interpretation is bullshit
How did the universe ever evolve before there were observers?
The Penrose Interpretation is where it's at
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>>702461375
Oh I am. The thing is though, like I said, it was 20 years ago, and even when I forget it keeps getting reaffirmed. The thing about it is that when you know, you cant say anything about it, because you'll be thought crazy or delusional. That's why you'll never hear what's really going on. People just cant handle it, it goes against everything they believe and to them it makes this life insignificant. People dont like that shit.
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http://www.simulation-argument.com/matrix.html

If you clearly understand this, you get fucked.
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>>702462289
Energy observes itself to a certain extent.

We are a product of its evolution.

Where will we be at the end...?
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>>702459383
>was making a pretty good point there
>"I had a near death experience"
>Oops, he's full of shit
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>>702453079
Baphomet appeared in my bathroom one night, it's clothes glimmering like gold, he spoke in a soft and warm voice and said: Nothing is real, there no reason to worry about anything.
I stopped believing in "reality" that day.
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>>702462712
How does having a near death experience make you full of shit?
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I don't have much time, as it is late in my position of the simulation, but I will share a few words with you to clear some things up.

I am Keen K., one of the head programmers at ATLASoft, an organization in the real world who is pushing virtual reality technologies to their limits.

You are one of many who were selected to access the late stages of our alpha software, Project Yggdrasil, or code name "Yggdra" for short.
The "reality" that you are living is all a part of this simulation, but we can assure you that your body within the real world is in no risk of harm--even after the long period of use of Yggdra.

Our original intentions were to have our current users retain awareness that they are merely testing a virtual reality, however there seems to be a bug in our system at the moment. Our technicians and programmers, such as myself, are working hard to fix this ongoing issue. We have had problems contacting the masses and have ultimately decided it would be best to let them live their "lives" until the problem is fixed, but we have been granted permission to remind small samples of users that it wont take much longer to buffer out these issues.

Thank you for understanding.
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>>702461610
>tfw pi is the seed of our virutal existance
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>>702462401
I am listening, others listen to me when I discuss things even more bizarre than this.

You will always find what you are seeking, for better or worse.
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>>702462903
Yeah you can listen here, this is a free exchange of ideas. But if I told you that face to face, you would have a predictable reaction, and you would be right to have it.
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>>702462401
Also, I >>702462903 have come to the edge of death twice now.

Once from electrocution, and once from a mosquito.

>*and countless times through dreaming
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>>702462849
...
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>>702462849
Not sure what to believe with stuff like this. There is no way to know if somebody is lying when they make statements like these.
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>>702463228
YOU'RE A FAGGOT
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>>702462546
I hate this, because of maths, i got fucked with the primary statement. Serious shit
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I don't know but the mandela effect fucks my head up.
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>>702463224
Expand on that please
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>>702463073
No, trust I would not.

I have many conversations throughout the course of one week with average people in the real world about much more controversial subjects and they listen and share their views.

Most people are open mi need, but like I said you will find what you seek/expect even if that is rejection.
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>>702462195
So your saying you wouldn't try and experience whatever it was you experienced again? That's a bit closed minded.
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>>702463647
I dont mind if my ideas are rejected, I know what I know. Until I see something that makes me think otherwise I'll keep believing what I do.
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>>702453079
The scariest thing about living in a virtual reality, is that we will never know how long and many times have we been shut off before being turned back on.


107.170.214.209
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>>702463639
What would you like to know?

Also search quantum death theory, it is fascinating
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>>702463228
>>702463402
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>>702464000
Mainly the near death situations.
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>>702455473
I like this picture
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>>702463969
>this
>ftfy
The scariest thing about living in a virtual reality, is that we will never know how long and how many times have we been shut off before being turned back on.
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>>702461610
No, there aren't computers that with that power in the simulation. Who knows how powerful things are in the real world?
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>>702463814
How did you come to think that from reading my statement?

I would love to see those realms again I did not want to leave the moment I arrived, though like I said it was an experience given not something I tried for.
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>>702463887
Great! Keep an open mind and learn as much as you can! : )
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If so. Someone is watching me wank one off right now
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>>702464345
It is also a fear shared between budhists and simulationists, the time between reincarnation/reconstruction.
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>>702462546
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>>702453079
if you can see, then yes, you are in a virtual reality.
also auditory.
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>>702464148
I wanted to experience electricity after hearing about it at the age of three, so I found some tweezers and plunged in.

I got bit by a mosquito around 2010, felt like my body fell asleep except the center of my chest, felt weak for three weeks I bled out of my gums/teeth and felt better.

Both time when I was on the edge of death I saw a black and red plane which stretched out forever, and heard a high pitched ri nging which got louder the longer I was there I pulled through though obviously, without injury either. In fact after the mosquito I rarely get sick and after being ng electrocuted electricity doesn't effect me as much.
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Anyone here try DMT before?
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>>702453079

I wanted to experience electricity after hearing about it at the age of three, so I found some tweezers and plunged in.

I got bit by a mosquito around 2010, felt like my body fell asleep except the center of my chest, felt weak for three weeks I bled out of my gums/teeth and felt better.

Both time when I was on the edge of death I saw a black and red plane which stretched out forever, and heard a high pitched ri nging which got louder the longer I was there I pulled through though obviously, without injury either. In fact after the mosquito I rarely get sick and after being ng electrocuted electricity doesn't effect me as much.
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>>702453079
Bottom line is we have no way of knowing. However its unlikely by the definition you probably have for "Virtual Reality".
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>>702464353
Counting infinitely many numbers either requires an infinitely large computer, or an infinite amount of time. Speed doesn't matter.
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>>702453841
Actually, no, Occam's Razor does not say that we aren't. As we have no way to determine what is simpler. This existence being what we think it is or something else. They are both equally likely considering the information we have (read: very fucking little).
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>>702464641
Someone programmed you to do that!

We are the sims 10³³³!

Seriously though everything is real to the observer, and nothing can be proven beyond what you experience as an individual.
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>>702462546
>Nick Bostrom is Professor at Oxford University
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>>702453079
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>>702465797
This. How is no explanation supposed to be simpler than the simulation explanation?
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>>702456160
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/07/06/arturo-worlds-saddest-polar-bear-dies-argentina/86745440/
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>>702465784
Or you can say x amount exists in a predetermined pattern and account for it all instantly.

Not who you responded to.
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A false reality

The media manipulates/fabricates most things
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>>702463599
> (3) You are almost certainly in a simulation.
>nomnomnomn
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>>702465433
Yes. Figure that is how you return to infinity.
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>>702465784
Not if your using a fractal system.
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>>702466961
Everyone I have seen or read about who has do he that has come back.
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>>702466961
I've come close but never broken through, I had to say though it's like opening your eyes in another place, makes you wonder.
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>>702466446
>>702467030

Mandelbrot sets essentially

Mathematics and geometry have not been fully utilized yet
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>>702467387
You will see in a 360 degree view. At least that happened to me.
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>>702467466
I get the feel that we are gonna re-simulated our reality using these concepts.
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>>702467527
How many times have you done it?
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>>702467658
Video games, yeah. Either we are a simulation creating a simulation or we are real and we beginning to create the first.
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>>702464353
It doesn't matter how powerful the computer is. It can't calculate infinite numbers in a finite amount of time
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>>702468405
Time is just an illusion. Its a construct. Everything is infinite.
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Even if we are, theres no way out so enjoy your stay
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>>702467841
Hm. 6-7 times, only 20-30mg max dose.
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>>702468578
Time is an illusion created by the motion of objects in relation to one another to be precise.

>>702468405
In the future 'quantum' co outing could theoretically calculate multiple infinite nu Ber sets instantaneously. Time will tell....
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>>702468044
What we create first ? Simulation, computers, A.I., that will be our first 'creation'. This is our only way to create life with a spirit for us and thus reaching our creators. Finally when you consider this its pretty logical if we are in a sim, so we recreate sim, and some think it would end us like terminator...ironic isn't it. Or creepy
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>>702468936
Computing* damned auto correct
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>>702468667
I've done it 11 times, I didn't have a scale but about the size of a matchstick has been my reference point. I tried freebase pipe and it works well but it's so hard to get that third hit in. What did you use?
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>>702469099
The best method I've found so far. You cut out the bottom of a 2L bottle, you then use aluminum foil as the bottom and place your substance at the bottom. You then tape it together and try to get it air tight. You can then take it all in one breath.
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>>702469055
Its an interesting train of ideas to consider, and something we will face in time whatever the outcome may be.

We are essentially immortal anyways so... do your best without fear.
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