>>702379119 my friend took the to the beach yesterday for my birthday. I enjoy that all my friends celebrate my birthday but i never call them and remember theirs.....thats how i know i have good friends.
>>702378215 Insurance won't cover any meds for mine so I self medicate with weed when I don't work and when I do my job requires lots of talking so that helps and then I just try to use force of will to combat my weirder moments.
Don't have extreme ADD, but was still diagnosed. I found that when I have to do small task that require focus, I do multiple a time. This improves my productivity and allows me to stay focused for longer
>>702383033 It's an individual thing on the meds. For some people, they help tons, for some people, they're pretty decent, for others, they're not worth the money.
I personally am used to being unmedicated, and the difference that medicine makes for me isn't enough to warrant any real dedication to it. That might not be true for you, though. At least give it a try and see if things improve.
For the most part I don't take my Adderall everyday, just on the days that are super important (tests, interviews, gf parents). Otherwise when I do take it, it takes a lot out of me to keep my fucking mouth shut. I have so much shit on my mind and I just want to keep spurting out shit. Needless to say I piss myself off most days using it.
...the come down is fucking brutal most of the time if I don't force myself to eat.
>>702383531 Bad headaches, light headed - basically symptoms of not eating the whole day lol. And even sometimes i get a slight pressure behind my eyes, then just remain wired and cant sleep if i don't take it at like 7am. The one i take is RX so it lasts all day if i pace my eating (3 snacks spread out).
Then again come to think of it, i try to make myself eggs bacon and toast and slam that down before i take the pill so i don't throw it all up
>>702384509 10mg? so you must still be starting on the fast release shit, thats what I started off with until i got up to 20mg on that. Thats super concentrated compared to the RX. That also wont last all day, but a few hours. Great for finals and mid terms.
>>702382871 can't ever really focus on anything or get work done, always forget what im saying in the middle of saying something or just can't carry on a convo in general, forget what im supposed to be doing right after being told to do it, stuff like that
>>702383993 Nah. Just like meditation type stuff. Just sitting down and sort of try to do as many mental things at once and almost willing myself to use all senses. No idea why but mentally i just go quiet and then it's like i had a good nap and i can focus on anything for a few hours.
>>702384933 Yea for sure, thats the best way to get back into it. And honestly I wouldn't go past 25mg unless your taking the RX version. You'll sweat your ass off like no other but get so much shit done
>>702378215 found a job that i can do in spurts throughout the day, which has done loads to reduce my anxiousness and pacing habit. sleep is down to 4-8 hours a night on average, usually on the lower end.
>>702385012 You feel like shit going off cause you got chemical dependency going. go cold turkey, don't be a bitch, and 3 months later you'll feel like you've just has a double shot 24/7 natural no caffeine needed. You won't even feel tired before bed but when you close your eyes you just conk out. You even wake up feeling awake immediately no grogginess.
Biggest bit is you can focus. It's literally night and day for that. Best way i can describe it is imagine if all your life you had white noise blaring in your ear wearing you down to mental exhaustion and it continues to give you shit sleep to. Then suddenly that noise you just got used to disappears entirely. You'll probably cry, i'm not ashamed to say i did.
>>702386905 No i haven't noticed with the 20mg yet. Do you notice any change in how they perform? Cause i almost feel like my addy (teva) makes me really fucking jittery and massive anxiety. While sandoz made me more mellow (but not too motivated). Dunno what's the better of the two evils.
>>702387875 I have an "extraordinary" iq and ADD and i couldn't pass school year unless i passed a test few days ago, i had the whole summer to study but i didn't pass the test cause ADD. and it's just highschool stuff, not difficult. And i wanted to pass that exam so bad. So what do i do with my extraordinary iq?
>>702387176 I like the jittery Teva feeling, a lot of people seem to like the Sandoz but I found it to be just fine, it does the job but it never feels strong.
I'm suspicious of Teva lately, for the past couple months the 30's have had this new indent in the presing, just between the 3 and 0, as if there was some residue buildup or something in their press unless it was an intentional change.
CVS has Aurobindo which I am weary to trust being that it's an Indian company but they always work fine and they're soft and powder like the Teva used to be.
What's weird is Teva/Barr/Brand have always had a sweet taste to them which I assumed was from the amphetamine saccharides but the Aurobindo's just taste bitter. So either the sweetness is just a filler or there is a real difference in the components or ratios of the "mixed amphetamine salts."
>>702388276 Literally the same thing different chemical deliverant. If you don't believe be read up on it. Same target, same method, same side effects, same risk, same longterm scarring. I'm being serious here just google it all if you don't believe me. They're even used for the same shit.
>>702389162 Yes. Higher dosage results in worse symptoms. The sexual impotence becomes permanent after a LONG (several years daily use) time but varies between person due to natural neural differences and tolerances.
My closest friend since we were both 14 (we're 22 now) was diagnosed with ADHD a couple of years ago.
I disagreed with his diagnosis (as a layperson who doesn't know shit) because he has always been a fuck up. He was referred to a shrink by his university because he failed all his courses in his first couple of terms.
This sort of thing is typical for him. His IQ is high and he has done work to a high standard on a few occasions, so it's not stupidity that caused him to be like this.
He's very disorganised and his family are the same. When I was a kid and I'd visit his house, it was always full of stuff. Clutter everywhere.
He's a fat guy who is on his millionth diet. He never gets very far because he gives up so quickly. He has a GF he wants to look good for, but even she isn't enough motivation. He gets excited about terrible business plans that never go anywhere. His flat is always a mess. His hair is always a mess. He cares a lot about clothing but he looks bad in most things because of his size and because he doesn't keep things clean and ironed. He buys books but never finishes them. Some he doesn't even start reading.
Is there any chance he's just an intelligent fuck up? Why can't there be a fuck up diagnosis? How do shrinks separate being a fuck up from genuinely having ADHD?
He's been on Concerta for a while. It improved his grades but he's still a fuck up.
>>702389408 ADHD IS the "fuckup" diagnosis. ADD is the lesser version of it. That serious lack of mental focus is the fuck up trigger. Normal humans don't fuck up because they have normal thought processes.
>>702389844 a month's prescription can cost $10-$90 from a pharmacy depending on what it is, how many, etc, but a lot of people buy it off the street for a mark up. america's health care system is fucked, dude. i pay about $500 a month in prescriptions alone, and health insurance on top of that, and i still gotta pay out the ass to see a doctor
>>702389596 I'm glad that my add is not that bad. Hope you are on a better way now. My doc mentioned an unofficial - and illegal - but very effective treatment, if ritalin doesn't work: cocain. It's sadly too expensive for the daily use.
>>702390032 Yep, as someone who had mild add, where 200MG caffeine and good sleep would be enough to focus, and I was genuinely quite smart, and extremely good at video games (top 0.2% in league of legends) I tried adderall once and that was it, I felt like a god, I had to get a prescription, everything I read about tolerance coming in after 2-3 weeks I didnt believe. I told myself if I get scribed I will always feel like a god, I can start a business, be focused, determined, have unlimited energy, become a fucking millionaire. Then the reality hit after the euphoric period of adderall disappeared. Now I'm almost a year on meds, cannot get off, always feel like shit, slightly feel less like shit when dosed on adderall. Gaming performance is horrendous now, and worse on adderall than without. My memory fucking sucks, I cannot remember a full sentence someone says after saying a lot of things, my social life has declined, I have crippling anxiety, I can't remember what I had for breakfist yesterday. I get horrendous sleep (somehow manage to fall asleep but a slight noise instantly wakes me) so I don't get a refreshing sleep. I thought I could conquer the world on adderall, but instead it has conquered me.
If you do not have crippling adhd, I don't think you should look into meds. Everyone has off days where they cannot focus, mine was only minor, modafinil did so much more for me than adderall (atleast after the adderall high period). Anyways I'm probably ranting too much, and don't even process what I'm writing/what I wrote so I'll stop now.
>>702390768 I don't have the hyperactivity, but I am pretty impulsive. Apparently they just call it all "ADHD" now, but I refuse to refer to myself under that label, since it implies a symptom that I don't have.
>>702390928 I'm fully aware of that now if you even read my post. I even had a period of abuse where I was taking 100-120mg chasing that high. But I've toned it down to 20-40mg a day now while being braindead. (considering my brain doesn't work unless I'm taking euphoric doses). Figure I'll stick to this shit than go down the suicide dosing up path.
>>702390965 Not recently, never since starting adderall. I never even been a big fan of it, I absolutely cannot stand feeling tired, and that's what weed does to me.
>>702389596 stop bragging with your iq, nobody gives a fuck. this test is anyway designed that specific ways of thinking give you more point. some of those questions are formulated retarded so you can either give the answer they want to hear or you can say whats the truth. for example they asked me whats the copyright is good for. and sure its for that big music labels and artists make lots of money. but at all it isnt good for anything. its mainly good for the big labels and a few people. you can literally find any song on YT, artists should better do money with ads, concerts and merchandise. selling cd for 20€ is nobody buying unless he is an idiot. if people would sell their songs for each download for like 0,01€ and album for 0,10€ everyone wouldnt think about downloading instead of torrenting because it would be less work. and there would be like 99% less piracy. so they would make 100x more money and so they would get 10€ per album too.
ADD and BPD here. Meds: Busiprone Sometimes they make me feel happy, but they dont really help with the ADD. Im still all over the place. I dont hang out with anyone but im not lonely. Just bored to be honest. Bored in a content way. Sometimes I wonder why Im still even around but thats okay too. I just work and go through day by day. Its not the greatest but its not so bad. Again, Im just content.
Has anyone been on a pharmaceutical dosage for multiple years? A lot of people in this thread are talking about abusing it and i just wondering if anyone who was taking something like 20mg for 2 years noticed any negative effects.
All the information I can find online about long term effects is strictly about abuse/snorting.
I would really suggest you try anti depressants or anxiety meds if you have any of those symptoms. I really almost feel like I possibly didn't have add, but it was actually depression, hence why I felt so great during the euphoric happy period.
>>702391619 There is still no super long term research completed. It does clog brain branches over time though for sure. And certain receptors downregulate to compensate, so any time you're not dosed you feel like shit.
>>702391876 that makes no sense at all. it's more like the adhd is an advantage of add because 1. its an syndrom more 2. the hyperactivity results from the dopamine loss, because the body tries to balance by getting dopamine by movement
>>702378215 any of you guys tried microdosing? i took some yrs ago 50mg retard concerta. didnt like the personality change the meds caused and the side effects. now i take sometimes 5mg (+5mg 2 hours later) concerta retard. it doesn't affect my attention that strong but has no side effects, no personality change and still helps me a bit.
I was diagnosed with a bad case when I was 14 and put on Adderall. Eventually I learned coping techniques and got off of it. Now I am more in control of my subconscious and physiological responses. Proper diet and sleep can go a long was as well.
>>702391826 I'm asking because I just got prescribed addy a week and a half ago. I ask my doctor about long term side effects and he said that I shouldn't be worried because I'm young and healthy and he has patients who have been on it for a very long time with no side effects.
Still kind of concerns me though, should I maybe ask him to go into more detail next time I see him?
>>702393308 Doctors aren't chemists, they just diagnose, and apply treatment, he won't know shit about how it works on a molecular level and all the little long term effects. As long as it is providing a bandaid for your symptoms then he considers that successful.
on 90 mg of ritalin daily, beore that i used concerta. been on it for more than 16 years. If i want to have sex I have to abstain dose for 30 hrs to insure erection. Besides the boner problems and the insomnia, and the voracious hunger I feel when I come off it, I would not have the skills and education this mediation has let me achieve, I hate my ADD but I am greatful these meds exist. And no I am not fat <85 kilos
>>702393689 You have a good point but wouldnt a psychiatrist kind of need to know how it works on your brain and what side effects are possible down the road? Especially since he seems to be quite familiar with adderall in particular with multiple patients who take it.
I guess you're right but what kind of figure could I go to who could give me more detailed information.
>>702394596 yep, totally even tho my dick is useless. Also if i get liitle to no sleep for a month and am surrounded by assholes I get much more aggressive and paranoid. Also do you dream anymore? I don't.
>>702394746 They are getting paid to push pills, chemists get paid to look into, research, and create pills. Getting you addicted to a med would mean a small raise for the rest of your life for their salary.
>>702378215 on vyvanse and some generic form of effexor for anxiety and depression. Mostly spend my time walking around and playing pokemon, lost a bunch of weight and talk to random cute girls, so doing better. Still need to work on my attention though, i'll just get hyper focused on one thing at a time, which is better than before the pills where i'd just sit around feeling nothing.
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