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better take a snack
If this person is legit intersex then it means they were born essentially as both genders. In that situation, your gender can shift throughout your lifetime. And it's confusing as hell.
So someone who is intersex trying to explain themselves is -not- cringy or bad.
If you were intersex you would prob be confused as fuck too. Especially if some doctor randomly decided to "pick your gender" at birth, and you didn't find out till you hit puberty.
On the other hand if this person is just calling themselves intersex then it's kind of fucked up.
Nothing to do with tumblr or sjw.
Intersex is a legit biological disorder where you don't fit binary notions of gender. Like you genetically aren't a male or female.
What's cringy is ppl who don't know basic fucking science.
Let me explain it in a simpler way. An intersex person is someone who was born with traits of both genders. It is a medical condition, and many of them are normal, not tumbler dwelling trans fats.
That poor kid. With disgusting, fat, nerdy piece of shit parents like that, he never stood a chance. I remember kids in school with that type of parent were the annoying dorky asshole types that students and teachers alike hated.
back in my day, you rebelled by starting punk rock bands, throwing bricks through bank windows, setting shit on fire and starting needle exchange programs
these days you rebel by trying to fuck cartoon animals
Holy fuck, i pointed out that someone posting here lacks knowledge.
End of the fucking world.
If you made the mistake, correct yourself for the future so you don't sound like a total fucking idiot in real life.
If you didn't make the mistake, ignore the post.
It's not like my post suddenly summoned cthulu to destroy the world.
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It's getting so hard to distinguish between satire and reality now.
Also, dumping my fatties folder.
Go ahead, try and make it through the full video without raging.
Wrestling the art of aggressively groping other men.
just fuking repulsive, this makes me genuinely discussed how can we came so far as a species and allow such thing to live, this fucking world permits this
1. intersex is a biological disorder from birth. It's completely different from transgender. If you are intersex you can medically be both male and female (or neither).
2. Mental Disorders in the Western world (and thus in academia) are defined in the DSM (diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders). In the current DSM (DSM-5), transgender is -not- considered a mental disorder. However, there is a mental disorder associated with not being able to be yourself. So, being transgendered is considered -normal-. And the disorder is the "uncomfortableness" from not being the gender you identify as (meaning that the disorder tends to go away with a sex change or if you can take hormones, or generally go out as the gender you feel you are)
TLDR; Both Intersex and Transgender (2 separate things) are considered natural/normal by modern science and the globally accepted medical standards.
I've heard quite a bit that there is a mental condition where people believe things such as their own arm isn't their's and have gone to hospitals demanding to have it removed or have chopped it off themselves, however rare it does happen.
Being transgender is linked to that, it isn't as severe though, how are you able to tell that you're supposed to be another gender when you have never in your life experienced it,
you brought up hormones and how the brain reads it but that just doesn't make sense, the brain is more or less just an input receiver that takes what is given to it and changes according to what is receives you can turn a perfectly straight man/woman gay if you where to constantly bombard them with the opposite hormones and vice-versa
Are you seriously not familiar with Chris, because he's not intersex, lesbian, or anything other than an autistic manchild.
Look him up, he's mentally disturbed and has a huge internet presence.
Bugger off you silly cunt, you know you can't be born "intersex" unless you're born with both sexes of genitalia. Anything else is mental illness. You can't decide to be a woman or a man, you're born one. Just like you're born white or black or whatever color you are, it's part of your genetic makeup.
I'm not sure if you're just from a country that teaches science from 70 years ago, or if you've just learned your science from 4chan.
First thing you have to understand is that a "disorder" is something that we define. Humans are animals that evolve, meaning that any non-normal trait can be beneficial at some point in time. For example, there may be an evolutionary advantage to being gay. Or being gay may be a result of something that is or was an evolutionary advantage. As a result you can't say anything is necessary "bad" or "wrong".
Keeping this in mind, the global medical community defines a mental disorder as a behaviour or pattern that can cause suffering or an inability to function in every day life.
Based on this definition, it's pretty obvious why being trans is -not a mental disorder. Being trans doesn't necessarily impede your life. If you are a guy and get a sex change tomorrow, you could live your life as a female without anyone knowing.
At the same time, it should be obvious while the uncomfortableness/stress associated with not being able to go out as your self-identified gender -is- a disorder. If you feel like a girl inside but have to pretend to be a boy everyday, that can be stressful. Imagine if someone told a christian that they had to wear a burka and pretend to be muslim on a daily basis. Not fun.
Similarly, it should be obvious why wanting your arm chopped off is different. If you get your arm chopped off, that impedes your every day life. you are missing a fucking arm. Makes it a lot harder to work, do daily things, etc. And yes a SJW would say that is ableism, and its up for debate. Some SJWs and some scientists would argue that if therapy didn't work, then cutting off the person's are would be the proper thing to do (as it would end up improving their life). However that debate gets complex due to things like phantom limb syndrome (chronic pain due to losing a limb).
umm.. you are literally BORN INTERSEX.
Intersex means you are born with GENETICS that violate binary gender norms.
What you are trying to say is you can't be born "trans." And to a degree that is true. Being trans is a combination of genetics and environment. HOWEVER, it's not a choice. Environment isn't necessarily how you are raised. It can be a combination of the chems you breathe in, the food you eat, the food your mom ate when she was pregnant, sicknesses in early childhood, etc. Look up epigenetics.
How dare you spread bullshit like that, intersex is completely made up crap, the words you're looking for are mental illness. Especially as a science major, you need to take a good look at genetic code and understand the difference between a physical abnormality and a mental deficiency. It's retards like you that encourage mental illness. You are a disgrace to the scientific community.
i really hope this guy is like 12..........
>traits of both genders
What traits? I'm genuinely interested in your view on this, as a science major. You should be able to quantify this theory with facts, so can you give me one example please.
first off how in the fuck is being gay a biological advantage? not being able to reproduce sounds like a massive fuck up
My point with the whole arm chopping off thing is that they found this to be connecting with being trans, BUT IT IN A MUCH LESS SEVERE WAY.
And with the last point you made where some SJWs would say that cutting of the limb is the proper thing to do is how outsiders view trans (along with other very strange genders) where it is still a mental condition which has been given so much love that they just allow it to exist
Imagine if there was a group out there that said that people who like to fuck little kids shouldn't be labeled as pedophiles as it is their sexual preference! Of course it is a much more extreme case but it gets the point across nicely
i got an idea, howbout the sjws shut up about their precious snowflake shit and the conservatives shut up about their "stop being the way im not" shit and everyone keeps to themselves
If your looking for some cringe head over to >>>/trash?
Actually, I can agree with the jumped-up SJW cuck here. Being gay, whilst not a personal advantage, may be good for humanity as a whole. We have a serious overpopulation problem and natural resources are not expanding to match. We need to stop breeding or at least slow it down, so why not make the idiots crave sex that doesn't result in children? Nobody has to complain about the right to breed when the choice is theirs to begin with. Mother Nature is a clever bitch sometimes...
I mean you could just wikipedia it like any normal person would.
Normally XX = female, XY = male
XY Gonaldal Dysgenesis = someone who is XY but externally female with dysfunctioning gonads instead of ovaries or testes. So they appear to be normal girls until they don't hit puberty, and find out they are a guy.
5-alpha reductase deficiency = XY. Born with male gonads (testicles). But externally they can have normal male genitalia, normal female genitalia, or ambiguous genitalia (not male or female). Can think they are a girl until they hit puberty, and their clit grows, their voice deepens, and they grow male-esque facial hair. So can go from looking like a girl to a guy within a year.
Like there are lots of different types of intersex. Just google it. This shit isn't hard.
I was born with a penis. I'm a guy.
My girlfriend was born with a vagina. She's a woman.
I was born with brown eyes. My eyes are brown.
The sky is blue. The sky is blue.
If I identified as a woman, that would be false.
If my girlfriend identified as a man, that would be false.
If I identified as a blue eyed person, that would be false.
If the sky identified as being red, that would be false.
My dog is not a cat.
My table is not a chair.
My TV is not a radio.
My car is not a bicycle.
If my TV operated as a radio, it would be broken.
What were you thinking about Ray?
Well if you understood basic science, you would realize that if a trait is completely detrimental to a species it wouldn't persist.
Further, you would realize over 1500 different species have been documented to demonstrate homosexuality. Meaning that 1500+ species seem to have found an evolutionary benefit to homosexuality.
While we don't know 100% why homosexuality is advantageous we do have legit theories on it.
Rather than type out an entire fucking essay, just google "how is being gay biologically advantageous" and click one of the 100s of news articles that have discussed this topic over the past decade.
When you're referring the chromosomes and sex hormones, you are referring to biological sex, not gender.
Gender is a psychological series of "switches" that determine not what but WHO a person is. Its also quite complex and is affected over a long period of time during development by factors such as nuturing, natural envirronment, attraction, theoretically media but that requires more study an most notably phenotype-related genetics.
It's also no one's business but the individual's and scientists studying its nature, so it's really sad and a mark of arrested development that so many people get their panties in a wad over it (both the "attack helicopter retards" and the overly sensitive whiny cunts who get mad or offended by it).
except some people are born with both a penis and a vagina.
Or with 2/3rds of a vagina and internal balls
That's called intersex.
Seriously how fucking stupid are you people. Do you think cancer is a myth too? Is aids really just a result of alien probing?
Transsexual grocery bagger running for office.
This is accurate and I wasn't the one who posted the original gender traits comment.
Intersex is related to biological sex (which can be part of gender).
Gender is separate and complex. And you're post is essentially perfect.
Right, and that's fine. I wasn't saying that intersex is not a thing. It is. I get that if you are born with both male and female naughty bits, it is then up in the air. I also understand that IT IS OKAY if you want to be a woman and you are, by all scientific and biological means of identification, a man. But to say that that is completely within the normal spectrum of rational behavior and within what has been identified as "the way shit should be" would be false. Gender is not complicated. Functioning penis = man, functioning vagina = woman. If you have a penis an you think you are a woman, that is a mental disorder. According to doctors that I have seen, I am clinically depressed. That is a mental disorder. It is by and large acceptable by the human race, but it IS a disorder. I accept that. It is a hiccup in a system. It is an error.
You present an interesting case study.
1) why do you feel gender facts are being forced upon you?
2) You lash out and refer to it as idiocy, so why not do some actual research and figure out what it is and what it is not?
3) Most importantly, why don't you explore the nature of the reason you and others like you feel threatened or uneasy about it when it objectively does not directly affect you in any way?
If it stems from a distrust of homosexual behavior and the "non-normal", why don't you explore within yourself WHY such thing make you feel that way?
This is the 'arrested development' I was referring to. It's deep in our society and Americans especially hold strong, pointless regard for archaic and completely obsolete sex roles. Once you detach from being one of the "sheep" following the leader, you may gain a very interesting perspective the exact same way I did. I do recommend at least trying it.
There really aren't any "intellectual nuances" here though. Gender is a simple idea. One or the other. Anything outside of that is a mistake. An acceptable mistake, perhaps, but a mistake nonetheless.
Ok so I get where you are coming from. Being trans used to be thought of as a disorder even a decade ago.
The issue is there is no way to define what is the "normal spectrum." Because as a species we are always in evolutionary flux, there is no normal.
If you don't believe in evolution then sure, your argument would hold up. But the whole point of evolution is change in response to environment over time. Meaning there is no universal normal. Only a "present-normal".
The thing with gender (not biological sex) is that it doesn't actually exist. What you consider feeling like a "man" or "woman" is just a cultural construct invented by the specific society you live in. People define "man" and "woman" differently around the world.
I know that can be a hard concept to grasp.
Imagine someone in the USA who has a penis wants to live as a woman (but not get a sex change). If they went to a different country with different gender-norms, they may feel perfectly comfortable as a man.
Put another way, there is no universal definition of gender. Which means none of us are "male" or "female". We just "most closely associate" with one of the two, or neither.
Depression is a mental disorder because it negatively impact your life and happiness.
Being trans doesn't.
Being trans and not being able to be the gender you identify does (which is what it -specifically- is the disorder, and not actually being trans).
No. The individual in question (you?) was FAR too naive and set in his heavily warped perspective for it to be worth trying to educate him. I have no desire to waste time arguing with a brick wall.
Maybe one day he'll further educate himself and learn a few things about the topic he's so adamant about, but until then, this is the end the the "debate" for him.
I wouldn't be welcome in a math debate about differential equations because I am grossly unqualified to input anything valuable. The same is true in the case of that poster and the science behind gender.
/B/ DISCORD FAGGOTS
Thank you for making this a REAL cringe thread but attempting the debate sexuality /b/ thread like you are all right with your facts and getting on your high horses about it and shit. Excellent work, would cringe at again.
>one or the other
That's SEX you fool, not gender.
>gender is a simple idea
There are very few topics having to do with the human body and behavior that can ever be described as simple.
Tell you what. I'm going to attempt to toss you a bone to get you thinking at something more resembling the level you need to be at to participate in this topic:
What defines "normal"? How does it differ from "abnormal" (or in your simpleton's language "a mistake")? And most importantly, WHO gets to define these terms and why?
Think before you answer. Or don't answer.
Actually there is "normal" you dipshit, and it's called the "Average"
Things that drift from the normal are called "deviations"
This is basic statistics, if you actually knew anything.
Sex and gender does exist, biologically.
Biology and nature have no use for words, because it is the AUTOMATIC LAW OF NATURE, so your opinion means jack shit stacked against nature and biology.
But oh, you're a human being right? You're above and beyond nature?
Guess how many standard deviations below the average IQ you are.
The collegiate population weeps.
Here, have a seat.
cultural construct = anthropoly = studying culture.
It's not an SJW term, and if you've been to a half decent school you would know that.
All cultural construct means is that the idea is defined culturally rather than universally.
For example: Attractiveness is a cultural construct. You probably aren't jacking off to pics of ppl from the 1940's.
Cancer is not a cultural construct. Cancer isn't magically different in India than in the USA. And Cancer 100 years ago was still cancer.
If a word causes you to stop reading something that you must be really sheltered.
>"... can't be born "intersex" unless you're born with both sexes of genitalia..."
>"What you are trying to say is you can't be born "trans." "
I think what this poster is saying is exactly what you're trying to say. The old-school term is "hermaphrodite." Intersex is a term coined just to help muddle the issue and help push it into a social movement.
poster was confusing trans with intersex.
intersex has nothing to do with the brain or mental illness. It refers to a group of biological/genetic conditions that don't qualify as typically XX or XY.
Trans is a mental identification with the opposite gender.
2 -completely- different things.
Except he's right.
Take for instance the fact that pink was the color of masculinity barely 100 years ago. Or that a French nobleman was the height of manliness in his culture and he spent hours dressing in layered silks and using makeup and perfumes. Cultures adopting and dropping various customs, fashions and memes (not the kind you're thinking of) are what drives the population's PERSPECTIVES regarding behaviors and appearances.
That's what s/he meant by cultural constructs, and it was a spot-on assertion.
Winning butthurt content right here.
I see you have never taken a stats class.
Imagine people are aged 1 to 100
your population is 200 people
100 people are 1 year old
100 people are 100 years old
your mean (from which you calculate deviations) is 50.5
But guess what, not a single person is aged 50.5
So average does not = normal.
Average = Average.
Sex = biological sex = XX XY
Intersex people violate this
Intersex genetics have existed for 1000s of years
Some intersex people can procreate
Intersex is a normal part of the human species
Gender = mental identification with male or female
Gender is subjective, different cultures define it differently.
Gender has been viewed differently throughout history.
Not all cultures have had binary gender norms like we do.
For example, some Native American cultures have had "two-spirited" individuals.
So you're assumption that every society on the planet and throughout history has shared the same "gender" beliefs as you is incorrect.
>I see you have never taken a stats class.
>Imagine people are aged 1 to 100
>your population is 200 people
>100 people are 1 year old
>100 people are 100 years old
>your mean (from which you calculate deviations) is 50.5
and I see you have never actually participated in reality
The advice is pretty solid. The execution... Different story. Their outfits are a little cringe but otherwise these guys sound like theyre genuinely trying to give advice and it doesnt sound like theyre bragging. They could be cool dudes
I think the issue here is that we are looking too deeply at emotions and not relying on the physical proof. How does one tell if a dog is male or female? You spin them around and take a look at their junk. THAT is the identifier. All I'm saying, without all the "cultural construct" stuff, is that gender is super simple. I think the main problem with this issue is that no one is identifying that the argument (at least my argument) is not saying that a man who thinks he's a woman, or feels more womanly, is a BAD thing, just an IRREGULAR thing. If a guy wants to live like a girl that;s fine and dandy.
Also, the argument that a disorder is something which causes suffering or negatively impacts your life seems a bit too simple of a definition. Let's say somebody wants to kill people very, very badly. They are driven by this notion. Would you say that the best course of action is to encourage that person to kill to satisfy this notion? Because according to what you're telling me, to let him live with this notion without acting upon it would cause him suffering, yes?
Also I appreciate your eloquence.
I'm going to be completely honest with you... using facebook talk like *sigh* and FACEPALM aren't going to get you any respectable supporters on this here anime image board.
The most simple explanation is often the correct explanation.
Normal is the majority.
The MISTAKE here is that you are taking your train of thought straight off the cliff. Sex and gender are, with very few definable distinctions, the same thing. I'm not the bad guy. Trannys are great. But if they are mentally sincere, something went wrong in the circuitry.
Mathematically speaking, that's true.
However, there is one small issue.
Very few people are at the far end of the spectrum.
If the average age is 55.5, that most likely means that the average person is around 55.5 years old.
Due to the large size of the human race, this usually holds true for anything that applies to most of the population.
So, average = normal.
Christ on a cracker the boys retarded. Seriously at this point I'm just beginning to think you're a troll, because being this moronic takes quite a bit of effort. You're an embarrassment to the STEM fields if you are in fact a 'science major' (whatever the fuck that means you ingrate). Just stop posting, you're wasting space for the valuable maymays
This poster stated expressly that intersex WAS a thing, if one was born a hermaphrodite. T
hey have taken the stance that anything that is not a hermaphrodite, and still believes themselves to be of a gender differing from their sex is mentally ill. You would call this trans. This poster was making your argument for intersex, bro.
The only reason that I'm even stepping in is that I find myself constantly having parallel arguments with people where we are defending the same point from different angles. I've found it's detrimental to communication and have been putting some real effort into correcting this. This is what you are doing. Don't do it.