For me its the same as owning a nerf gun. I don't need it but sometimes its fun going and shooting clay pigeons. If they were taken from me I wouldn't care. Infact im planning to get rid of my guns when i move out of the country anyway
>>702036345 You're asking to get niggered if you don't at least have a concealed carry. Having a handgun in the tray while your driving is also a good idea. Some nigger comes over you pick the gun up and he runs off. An officer comes over, keep your hands on the wheel and tell him. Better safe than sorry.
>constitutionally protected >like you can own a fucking tank under the second amendment >assume terrorists are lying in wait at all times >rub it in to yuropeen conservatives >young edgelords like to be engineers and warriors at the same time >hunting is a big sport >posing as a hunter is a big sport >because why the fuck not
>>702036167 It's not as if all Americans are. I'm just an American who realizes what my rights are as an American. I also really enjoy shooting in general. I try to go to the local gun range once a week. I conceal carry every day. I've never had to draw my weapon, but that will not stop me from loving to train. It also won't stop me leaving the house with out my pistol.
>>702037834 I got so annoyed when they performed the song Yorktown from Hamilton at the Tony Awards. They didn't use guns because of the pulse shooting, just made the motions; i didn't really notice because it was nicely choreographed, but then a lot of people were like "SEE WE DONT NEED GUNS JUST OUR HANDS AND WORDS XD"
Because American people have lost love for the art of beatings. Sure they resort to it sometimes, but sadly more often than not a gun is used. Gone are the days when you were the talk of the town after you brutally assaulted someone with baseball bat or golf club, now it's just nigger shot this, cop shot nigger, school got shot. Get it together.
>>702038605 no you fucking retard, the stupid parents buy the guns and because theres no background checks and no restrictions on storage, use, bullet distribution, the kids take them and shoot up schools, colleges, cornerstores etc.
fyi, jobless 20 year olds with no education are basically kids.
theres literally so many guns in the states that they cant keep track of them. It's stupid how easy it is to get a gun.
>>702038471 >obviously organized crime will still have guns
This is the whole fucking problem dude. Only the organized crime will have the guns. What is the main revenue of organized crime come from? Selling illegal things. What will happen if guns are banned (something that simply won't happen in America btw)? Then the organized crime will jump on it to meet the demand. Mind you that these places where the activity that these gangs and organized crime groups operate generally already have the strictest gun laws.
>>702037432 >If you guys had more gun control the thugs wouldnt have guns either So what? Removing guns doesn't remove crime, it just changes the weapons used.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/06/zero-correlation-between-state-homicide-rate-and-state-gun-laws/?utm_term=.5c1c8c3d05c7 >The correlation between the homicide rate and Brady score in all 51 jurisdictions is +.032 (on a scale of -1 to +1), which means that states with more gun restrictions on average have very slightly higher homicide rates, though the tendency is so small as to be essentially zero.
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/ >Every place that has been banned guns (either all guns or all handguns) has seen murder rates go up.
Yeah, if you're a law abiding citizen with no criminal record. Why should it be hard for us to get a gun if we play by the rules? Sometimes I think liberals just want to have the smug satisfaction of knowing that they have put more red tape in place for people like me and caused me more inconvenience.
>>702038894 Let me point out everything wrong with your retarded opinion >There are background checks you fucking Jew >Jobless 20 year olds are considered NEETS, and would much rather use a It's Katana >You still have gun violence with a much smaller sample space >Gunshow loop is just like the wage gap Please go away Bernie kykeberg
>>702038727 crime will never go away, but a guy with a knife will hurt less people than a guy with an automatic rifle he bought at wallmart.
why are machetes restricted but not guns wtf
>>702038655 honestly I think its too late for you guys. But really, they would just have to stop bullet production and guns would be useless. Honestly not really realistic.
It's all just a big money grab. stupid idiots like you panic and horde guns whenever they think their rights are being infringed and rich people get richer. Why should they give a shit if the people of their country are killing each other
>>702036167 In 1986 the NRA successfully lobbied the government to pass a law that effectively banned the ATF from being able to track gun violence in a effective way.
The ATF are banned by federal law from using a computer to quantifiably track gun violence. If a police agency wants to track a gun used in a shooting they have to call one building and get the agents to search through a literal floor to ceiling maze of boxes full of paperwork to find it.
Let me say that again. The NRA was so afraid of the stats that could be connected to gun violence that they succesfully crippled any objectifiable way to prove that guns are a major problem.
Gun stock prices went up and the NRA got tons of money.
>>702039111 In california we have to jump through hoops to get guns and it is even worse now than ever. The point of having guns in the US is to protect ourselves from the govt or any govt if they try to take said guns from us and leave us defenseless.
>>702038989 to change the subject a little, this is why all drugs should be legalised and regulated. would be a massive hit to the income of organised crime and take away the number 1 reason for them to even need to arm themselves in the first place
>>702036167 What the fuck did you just say to me, you little piece of shit foreigner?
89 firearms per 100 people here, faggot. Come try to invade us.
Sure, we kill a bunch of ourselves in the meantime, but get through our two-time world-war winning military and you have a fucking heavily armed population to try to convert. You better fucking bring nukes, motherfucker.
Yeah, we might owe your country money. Come collect on our debts you fucking piece of shit, or nuke us and ruin any chance of reclaiming even enough natural resources to pay yourselves back.
We'll be over here putting weight on like a champ and practicing our aim at the local range when you're ready, niggers.
so many people replying so fuck individual replies haha.
Everyone in the states thinks its the best country in the world and that you have it right, but the rest of the world just stares at how fucking retarded you all are. Youre all scared that the government is going to take away your rights and you dont realize you dont have any to begin with.
The government is owned by corporations. Your presidential campaign is a joke. Your education system is so shit. Your patent system is broke. Healthcare hahahahaha
the american dream is to make it big but to make it big you have to crush the little people. Guess what. Youre the little people
>>702039743 You realize that isn't the ATF responsibility right? Local police deal with local crime, the ATF only gets involved if it's shit like gun running or manufacturing of illegal guns. The ATF doesn't deal with street level crime.
>>702039452 Because your guns will protect you from the United States government if it comes to that. Good luck with that you fucking retard. Go shoot down a fucking drone see how much your guns help there.
>>702039743 Yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with that. Really the only people complaining about background checks are the nignogs, illegals, and mentally ill. If you're a good dude, you're a good dude. It's the removal of certain weapons or guns altogether that makes us flip out shit.
>>702040064 It seriously isn't true. Why do you believe that knife attacks will produce less casualties than gun attacks? Do you have data that shows this to be true?
http://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/ >In the early morning of Tuesday July 26, a lone attacker with a backpack full of knives stabbed 19 people to death and injured at least 25 more
>>702040064 No but if you think you can just buy a automatic weapon from walmart and there is no restrictions at all you're retarded. Automatic weapons are also one of the rarest weapons used for crimes (I honestly can't even think of a time they were ever used tbh).
>>702040442 Depends if he knows how to fucking use it, please stop commenting on shit you know nothing about. Go back to losing your virginity to Allah you eurofag (you aren't allowed to own a gun if you are on the FBI watchlist and fucking INFANTS are on the watchlist)
>>702040492 just seems like common sense to me. sure there are cases of mass casualty attacks with knives but especially in a country where police are armed a guy with a gun can do more damage than a knife. I know i'd rather be faced by a crazy fuck with a knife than one with a gun, at least u have a slightly better chance of running away or disarming someone with a melee weapon
Probably a mix of things. Generally they are a tool and it stems from farmers and such that always had some around, my grandfather and uncle had them around, I first shot on a farm. As people moved away from this they glorified firearms instead of seeing them as a tool and it took a weird turn. Most of my family are veterans and I have 0 issue with guns, but they were never glorified. My grandfather never spoke a word of them, WWII vet, front lines.
My old man was a marine, he shot a lot growing up, sharpshooter in the military, never had guns in the house when we were kids, still doesn't. He likes a good firearm, but he treats it the same way he treats a nice wrench, the weird glorification seems to stem from a bunch of people who have no real outlet of manliness that used to exist, so they just grab superficial tokens of what they think is manly and latch on.
It is a weird obsession, I have a rifle and pistol, I enjoy shooting but it sucks ass at ranges and I live in a city, so they just sorta sit. I don't glorify them beyond them being kinda fun and a tool, nothing more than anything sitting in my tool box.
>>702040556 Fuck it I was going to restrain from reporting you, but at this rate your actions are speaking louder than your words. I get it, it's cool, school started back up and some of your older buddies have introduced you to a place called 4chan full of porn and memes, but look mate, what you're doing is just illegal. It's for your own good. If you are under the age of eighteen and are posting on your phone and have texted using wifi at the school you go to, you can and may get arrested. It's for your own good mate.
>>702040548 If you think your guns will protect you from the government then have fun getting slaughtered moron. Also don't throw out random statistics if you can't back it up. You are clearly ignorant. This is a pointless argument anyways cause it is based on IF the US government would do a hostile takeover, they don't have to cause you're already controlled just fine.
>>702040269 Dude what are you talking about? An assault rifle (if you're using the military term and not some retarded know nothing about guns liberal term) is basically a selective fire rifle. That means it either has the capability to fire in automatic or burst fire. You CAN buy a legit military assault rifle in America but you have to jump through so many hoops and pay for so many things that you're pretty much buying a used car. Plus you aren't allowed to buy any automatics made after 1986.
>>702041078 Not really, no American serial killers have even used guns, and we've had and still have quite a few. I get what you're saying, that this isn't Ghost Recon or whatever, but we do have mass murderers over here who murder without using any guns at all. Hell, whales and babies kill more people than guns over here.
>>702040826 >at least u have a slightly better chance of running away or disarming someone with a melee weapon No, you don't. In fact, if a man with a knife attacks a man with a gun, it's more likely that the man with the knife will take out the man with the gun before he even has a chance to draw his weapon if the distance between them is less than 21 feet. Guns are not some magical super weapon. They're difficult to aim over long distances and they're difficult to draw in close combat.
1. Guns are part of our history, we fought the British with a militia of poorly trained troops, we've had guns since the Americas were settled, they've become deeply ingrained into our culture. 2. To protect ourselves from any sort of threat, foreign or domestic. It's hard to occupy a country full of armed civilians. It's hard to mug someone that's armed as well. 3. It's fun, fuck you.
>>702040880 Well the easy answer is that the kind of people that commit those shootings choose gun-free zones for the obvious fact there will be easy targets. For most of them, they would've never committed the act knowing there would be people shooting back, which is why they always kill themselves as soon as they face resistance(police).
>>702041699 Usually their victims don't even scream. They're usually drugged and have their throat slit, so they make no sound (lack of air and drugged mind makes it pretty much impossible to make a sound). That's why serial killers kill in hotel rooms or in their tenements or in their moms basement.
And if everyone worked together we would have world peace, this is a retarded sentiment. Pretty much every time a government is overthrown, it is done as a military coup and they take over. You can have all the guns you want, but you aren't going to do shit to an M1 or Apache.
Other countries just wouldnt get it...keep getting raped and slaughtered and we will enjoy our freedom to be able to combat such astrocities on a personal level...whereas you have to go and cry to police officers like the pussies you are
>>702042437 Anyone have that home built WWII machine gun schematic? That thing is cool, wouldn't mind printing it and hanging it on my wall with my car schematics in my office. It's basically like a recipe for how to make some German gun out of scrap metal that some of the Americans used when ammo ran dry or they had no gun.
>>702042379 yeah i heard about that, but he was a stupid fuck who never had a chance of succeeding. i mean i a country where so many people have their own gun im surprised no-ones tried to shoot the most controversial politician in years >>702042448 im no fan of trump but youve gotta be a special kind of stupid to think violence will help ya cause
Hey strawman, how are you? What does that have to do with what I said you fucktard? A military coup is done inside the country you dipshit and you can shoot all the .223 and .308 you want at an M1, it won't do shit to the armor, then an Apache you won't even be able to see let alone hit while it pelts you with 30mm.
>>702036167 Why do people even post in these threads? It's just full of retarded americans spurting logic fallacies and feeling smart about themselves when the other side sight, rolls their eyes and tries to explain things again because they know the fat americans would be too dumb to even understand it if you explained the faults in their reasoning and logic, too which the americans will clap and applaud theselves like the unhinged chimpanzees they are because they "won" the argument since their opponents "don't have any arguments to counter them".
>>702036167 Because they can stop and deter most people from taking your shit. Also it makes it easier to threaten a revolt because people with guns can take out the assholes on top from longer distances and fewer points of failure. Also legal hunting tends to actually help wildlife conservation far more than it hurts it and provides a decent source of food for hunting families.
>the military has tanks and guns and body armor and shit, you'll lose anyway! Funny how so many people who like guns try to pursue a profession in which they use them on a semi regular basis. >Hunting isn't necessary, wildlife naturally balance their numbers! The money from game tickets, mandatory safety courses, and taxes from firearms and accessories are often used for national park services and wildlife conservation programs. It's more money for the local government to manage those sorts of things. >The police are supposed to protect you from crime! Except due to (justified) restrictions we place on our officers for training and background checks, there are not many people qualified to be an officer in the first place. Considering being a police officer isn't necessarily the desired profession for many people either (due to the high stress of the job combined with average pay) the chances of a police officer being just around the corner when we need them to be is relatively low. That's why many Americans believe we should be allowed to keep highly effective deterrents of our own and sadly, nonlethal alternatives are either not garenteed to work well enough or are so heavily restricted that having them is a bigger hassel than carrying a gun which is usually more effective anyway.
>>702043133 You do know that you are on /b/, right? And that 4chan is an anonymous image posting anime board? Why would you expect any logical argument anywhere? Hell, even your argument ain't very logical. You got a problem with the thread, leave, and go fap to something while the arguments blow over and we achieve absolutely nothing.
>>702042881 >yeah i heard about that, but he was a stupid fuck who never had a chance of succeeding. i mean i a country where so many people have their own gun im surprised no-ones tried to shoot the most controversial politician in years
Because generally speaking the people who like guns, use them responsibly, respect them, and know how to operate them well enough to carry out an assassination like Trump. The people who don't like Trump either don't like guns or like guns but only use them because criminal reasons and know jack shit about them use them irresponsibly and have no respect for them.
>pic related >Pro tips >gun is in shit shape >not a Glock 40 >a cheap as fuck entry level gun >the melanin enriched male holding it is statistically speaking most likely not a registered republican
>>702043092 Thats quite the jump you did there...murder will happen regardless of the tools they use. A gun is a better defense from being a murder victim than having nothing at all but the police 20 min away
>>702036167 There's a lot of people who are legit crazy and want to kill and murder people and don't care about the repercussions, so I need to have a loaded shotgun in two rooms of my house and a loaded magnum under my mattress to assure that I can be completely safe.
>>702040492 learn to read past the first part you feel justifies your position. at the very least finish the sentence: >"at a care home for disabled people" he had to attack vegetables to be able to do it. some even died from panic without him ever touching them. >"While rampage killings have become more frequent over the past decade in the US, there have been just three mass killings in Japan in the past fifteen years."
>>702043980 its not, but the whole point of having a judicial system is that people even who break the law get a trial not just a summary execution. If you're actively trying to hurt police then fair enough but otherwise the police shouldnt jump to getting their guns out
Well, to be fair they have gun control in Australia and UK and they both have very little guns and gun crime. We make explosives illegal and they are pretty rare and much easier to make than a gun, so his premise is reasonable.
On that note, I don't really care, I own guns but your argument is kinda stupid.
The problem isn't the guns, it is the people. I live in Canada and per capita more households here have guns then the states. (Of course the states has more guns but that is obvious considering the population difference) Yet we have very little gun deaths and a minimal amount of mass shootings. I mean there are more factors to take in but the guns really are not the issue, just a means to an end. It is the society bred on hate and violence that the problem lies with, on top of the horrible treatment of the lower class citizens who turn to crime cause they have no other options cause the US is built on a system of failure for the poor.
>>702043937 but you just said making guns or drugs illegal won't stop people from getting them. so naturally that should carry over to any crime. we know making dui illegal doesn't stop people from doing it. so clearly the problem doesn't go away by making it illegal, and if you should make guns legal just because criminals will get guns anyway, then might as well make dui legal. or murder... either one... maybe also theft.
or maybe... you just want your favorite crime to be legal... you know, because you're a fucking hypocrite.
>>702036585 >You're asking to get niggered if you don't at least have a concealed carry fuck me murca sucks... literally no country with sufficient gun control has such a huge problems with that. sounds like you live in fucking brazil or something. do people ride around on scooters and shoot and rob you as well? do you live in mad max?
clearly your current gun laws don't work if you're living under such third world conditions.
>>702046631 Even if that is true and not at all an exaggeration do you really think it's solely the guns that cause those mad max conditions? And that getting rid of those guns will just make those mad max conditions disappear?
Wait, do you think the guns go from south to the US? It is the other way around bro, used to know a guy that ran guns down to mexico and brought steroids/pills back to sell here. Gun laws there are quite strict.
>>702038100 implement gun control, slowly over the years reduce the number of guns. the japanese managed to do this in the 1500's, but usa can't do it today? and no one says the effect will happen over night. if you demand instant effect from every political move, then you might as well dismantle the whole government, as no laws will have full effect instantly.
why would you even think that?!? that's pretty moronic.
>>702046631 You're on /b/ mate. It is full of racist edgy teens and fools. They act like they will get robbed at any moments notice to justify being savages. I bet 70% of them never even came close to being robbed but got wet in the pants cause a black guy looked at them and reached for their guns.
>>702036167 >Because none of us are retarded enough to listen to another country about changing something about OUR constitution that enables everyone to be on equal footing. >would you listen to a mechanic for smart cars if they told you your Camaro goes faster without gas? >same answer for both; That's a really big fuckin change and you have no evidence it would work with OUR shit.
It is easier to get a gun than a driver's license ans a vehicle in America yet more people are killed in vehicle accidents. Riddle me that one you liberal nazis. It's an idiot problem not a device problem. 99% of legal gun owner shootings of other people are self defense and the other 1% is mostly domestic disturbances. Meaning nearly 100% of all illegal homicides/gun assaults are illegally obtained guns. Banning guns will change nothing for at least a hundred or more years.
Smugglers from where? The US is the manufacturer of all major weapons in the Americas, we are the supply. There is literally a market to buy guns in the US and smuggle them to central and south america, that's how they get them.
>>702038727 >airguns oh nos... maybe i get a red mark ;_;
>machetes if you live in fucking brazil maybe, but the second you look at first world countries (i know you muricunts prefer to compare yourselves with third world countries to make yourselves look better, but i'm not allowing it this time), you'll notice that nearly no one uses machetes for anything ever.
>knives in my 30 years living, i've never seen a knife ever being used for any crimes harder than engraving a heart on someone else's property. that's seriously the only knife related crime i've ever experienced in my country.
the few robberies that occur, and they are very few, are mostly just with words and looking scary.
>>702039324 >The NRA was so afraid of the stats that could be connected to gun violence that they succesfully crippled any objectifiable way to prove that guns are a major problem. Thanks for correcting the record. Obviously the government "totally" wouldn't abuse the ability to fuck with gun owners....
You liberals just want Blacks disarmed. The Blacks should be armed.
Not him but it runs into things like you drive your car tons and the interactions make it very likely you will die and usually every individual over 16 has a car vs guns they are usually a household has like 20 and then a lot of houses have none and they don't use them constantly. It is an apples to oranges comparison and really impossible to put side by side.
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