Fundamentally, the US does have a gun problem: http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
You do not need guns to survive in today's society.
Hypothetically, if you could press a button that got rid of private gun ownership (legal or otherwise) overnight would you press it?
This cannot be refuted unless you can remove literally every single firearm from the planet you're doing more harm than good by banning them
Hola Senor, would you mind banning guns before we cross the border? My brother Juan wants to sell them on the street and he needs help
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No, just getting your head bashed in by a common hammer is; which more people are killed by common hammers and kitchen knives in the usa. (about 5 times according to FBI stats)
Humans will find a way to kill someone if needed or desired.
We have since the first two men got angry.
We will continue to/
The United States states has an African American problem. 7% of the population ie black males commit 60% of all violent crime. But yeah let's blame it on an inanimate object and ignore the issue at hand and try and get more people killed because you wanna live in lala land. God liberals piss me off
>The United States accounts for nearly 75 percent of all children murdered in the developed world. Children between the ages of 5 and 14 in the United States are 17 times more likely to be murdered by firearms than children in other industrialized nations.
>More American children and teenagers died from gunfire in 2010—a single year—than U.S. troops in Afghanistan since 2001
>A recent meta-analysis revealed that easy access to firearms doubled the risk of homicide and tripled the risk for suicide among all household members.
nowhere is quite like the good ol' us of a
>all the children killed by firearms in the usa were not around nefarious people
The problem isnt the guns anon.
I live in a rural area, everyone owns guns. No children have ever died from firearms in my 30 years here.
Again look at what race the majority of those deaths are. I love how you dumbasses blame things on an inanimate object instead of the real problem. What's it like living with a single digit iq anon?
I appreciate that not every person who owns a gun will shoot it at a person but you cannot deny that the US has a gun problem and that there is also a glut of guns. If you can't see the correlation there then you are part of the problem.
>cannot deny the us has a gun problem
Again, it's a nigger problem. Do you disagree? Come visit our major cities, if you haven't before. If you survive, you'll agree. And if you don't, well, point proven
>it must be access to guns
>it cant be:
>the drug war
>single parent homes
>a culture that celebrates violence in all media
>nah it is only access to weapons even though buying weapons legally require a federal background check and in most states a waiting period
>yep just the guns
Holy shit I hope your baiting. You talk about correlations but you seem to be ignoring the biggest fucking one. Ie African Americans. Gun violence would be nearly non existent without them in the US and that's irrefutable
There are so many more guns in the suburbs, yet you can walk your dog after dark or do anything within reason outside and you'll be totally fine.
Walk after dark through an inner-city ghetto where there are truly far fewer guns, and you'll be lucky to make it out with your life
I'd shoot any one I saw going for the button.
Guns have personalities and a vendetta against people?
Look at drugs
Cocaine - illegal, millions die go to prison etc for it, gangsters profit like hell, cocaine is everywhere
meth - literally same thing
Do you think banning guns will make them harder to get? No
Do you think criminals and gun nuts should be the only ones with guns? No
Do you think an armed robber chooses the house with the gun owner or the one without one?
Explain Africa then dumbass. They were always like that
And its those criminals you're talking about that have the most to gain from easily available firearms.
You're giving them all the tools they need to be criminals. You're enabling them.
Let's follow your train of "thought" So you ban guns right? Whoa there wait a second criminals don't obey the law so they still get them. Meanwhile Mr and misses law abiding citizen over here are no longer capable of defended themselves. Congratulations you just made crime skyrocket because no one can stop criminals anymore.
So guns will just magically disappear the second you ban them and they won't have access to them anymore? Oh wait no they won't they will still get them and the only thing to change is good people can't protect themselves anymore. Banning things doesn't work see drugs for reference
>most people agree
It must feel good to be a part of that happy herd. I never want to be like you, and my family will be able to defend our way of life whenever you come for it thanks to our guns
>You do not need guns to survive in today's society.
They don't have guns to survive you moron. The fact you even mention is proves you have no fucking clue why they have guns at all.
Fuck off to Nickelodeon you utter dick.
Except the other methods aren't as easy to carry out.
Killing a person with a knife is not the same process as killing them with a gun. Range, lethality, ease of use, etc, all make firearms different from other means.
I'd be willing to press a button that got rid of all GOVERNMENTALLY owned weapons, since gov'ts are actually the most murderous fuckers there are.
Compare all injuries caused by privately owned weapons, including cars, lawnmowers, knives, and fucking slingshots, with only the deaths caused by gov't small arms (pistols and rifles).
Your government is a lot more likely to kill you than your neighbor, or even some psycho.
Whatever can we do about that? I know! We can make it a foundational precept of our government that individuals have the right to keep firearms.
Also, since a free people are the source of all governmental authority, no lawful gov't has any authority the individual citizens do not, especially when it comes to harming those citizens.
>mfw there are no lawful gov'ts
No because the problem cant be boiled down to one cause. It is like saying video games cause all violence, it isnt true. America's violence is based on many different variables and taking away the guns only put the vulnerable at risk.
>no woman owns a gun
>none of the elderly own guns
>no single mothers own guns
>no handicap people own guns
Fuck off with your bait. Pressing the button would make them more vulnerable. Guns are the great equalizer no longer does a woman need to fear a man. No longer does the sickly man have to fear the healthy
Actually look up the violent crime and mass killing statistics. After getting rid or seriously regulating guns, crime/ murder rates didnt change and just continued to follow the same trends. It society not the guns. Last thing I want is this dishonest fucking government being the only fucker armed
In the past few decades the demographic of gun owners has been shrinking even as there are more guns in the US. Many people who own guns hoard them -- which speaks to their mental state.
And that's my biggest issue with guns: the types of people who tend to own guns are the exact type of people who shouldn't own guns.
You were saying?
But of course guns make it easier, but it isnt the guns fault that some asshole is violent. A killer will find a way to kill, you understand this right?
It isnt the hoarders killing people.
>i want to live in a world where the weak must fear the strong
>i want to live in a world where the weak are oppressed
Sounds like a utopia
you're not aware of how much having a pro-gun environment from birth influences the choices a depressed person perceives to have. in your world a "killer" is a psychopath straight out of a horror movie. those people do exist but they're so rare as to be ignored
compared to you im living in one, because the people i live with don't feel weak if they don't own an instrument that could end another persons life. you lack the ability to change your point of view in this matter
No. I might press a button that would completely eliminate everything "guns and up", and the knowledge of how to make such things, but I will not willingly take a means of defense way from the citizens if it still exists elsewhere. That's asking to be taken advantage of/ruled like a slave because you cant say no to the man in charge with the guns.
while the united states has a gun problem in terms of unregistered guns, we actually have more of a violence problem.
even though violence is decreasing and has been for the past 30-40 years, and the percentage of violence against military
aged males has dropped significantly, the problem still needs to be addressed as a whole to combat gun violence.
as soon as a person owns a gun he's not vulnerable. a truly vulnerable person is someone who in your gun infested world chooses to not own a gun. your world-view forces people to buy instruments of death for them to feel safe
So the weak in your society are equals to the strong, the weak are never preyed upon in your country? I find that hard yo believe. I am willing to change my opinion, but no one has ever brought up a good enough reason for me to do so.
If statistics favor gun ownership, why does the gun lobby block studying those statistics whenever they can? What are they trying to hide?
If gun fanatics had the strength of their convictions, they wouldn't be afraid of scientific inquiry.
Your gun laws need psychiatric test in order to weed out people who will kill other people and people who wont the problem the states is that you can buy a gun online, no test to proof of id. Thats the problem. this eliminates the "Well I need my gun for protection!" arguement because if your mentally unstable and some guy says "no youll shoot people" guess what? you dont need a gun. end of story.
Lol. People use guns to kill people. Knives can kill too. Or chairs. Or literally anything. People use anything to kill people.
Also, you do realize that violent crime on the whole has gone way way down? Even with guns, the western world is the safest it's ever been!
You cant be this fucking stupid. Read the article, intruder breaks in with an axe.
....with an axe
Not a firearm but its still the problem of a gun infested world that someone could easily chop this dude to pieces with an axe? Great critical thinking skills there.
the weak are preyed upon, but not to the extreme as to having guns involved in the majority of incidents. it's mostly physical fights, which translates into far less deaths. having a shooting iny my country would cause high media coverage. in america it happens so often that people do not realize how often it happens
Surely you don't believe the governments power comes solely from guns do you?
You are delusional if you think your little AR15 is going to have any restraint on the government's actions.
living in a pro-gun environment influences the choices you perceive to have, no matter your mental state. thats what causes the deaths, idiots, drugged or depressed people having access to instruments of human death
CDC EXPRESSSLY stated the goal of the study was to decrease private ownership of firearms. That immediately shows they are no interested in an actual scientifically accurate study. They showed a clear bias and didn't deserve tax payer money to push their agenda WHICH THEY STATED. Literally the biggest no-no in science.
you can make guns less available therefore making it harder to get a gun. Also on that note normal people just call 911 because the criminal has an upper hand and odds are they wont hesitate to shoot you on the other hand being a level headed human being will
"me, everyone I know, and everyone within 100 miles of me makes up less than of .00001% of the population of the US, so I can tell you that my experiences are representative of the general population and my world veiws are challenged regularly"
Then let them do their study and expose their bad methods, thus torpedoing gun control efforts forever.
But you're afraid it won't be bad science. You're afraid it will be accurate and unimpeachable.
People who are confident in their views wouldn't fear scientific inquiry.
your question does not relate to my statement. you're talking about the fear of the government taking control by force. if you truly fear this you should probably go live somewhere where you feel safe
I dont, but if they bring out the big guns in order to decimate the many millions of gun owners, they won't have much country to rule. And people have won against greater odds before.
Now if you take away the guns youre just making it impossible.
>Fundamentally, the US does have a gun problem
This is an incorrect assertion. This is no more correct than suggesting Rosie O'Donnell has a silverware problem.
As you are well aware, some people have no moral compass and place zero value on human life. When those people decide to take a life, they use whatever objects are at hand. These objects are unimportant to the malevolent and easily replaced with other objects, as goal is simply to assume power by taking life. Knife, bat, pipe, vehicle, poisons, bombs, or guns, they are interchangeable
What you are trying to accomplish is the disarming of the masses such that those who are physically superior have an easier pathway toward taking power, and enslaving the weak.
You are transparent.
Its not scientific when you approach a study with clear bias. Also, they are no longer blocked from doing studies. I will repeat this one more time for you just so you get it. No one in the gun community fears scientific inquiry, they fear intentionally biased studies done with the purpose of taking our firearms.
Need to get out of that NRA bubble mate.
Yes. If you show there are no consequences what stops him from doing it again. What stops others? Enjoy your country where the weak get beaten and have no defense from predators.
Cdc subcontrated this study in 2013
The reason they did so was for two reasons, one to get around their self imposed rule of not studying violence and two in case the study didnt have favorable results they could say it wasnt a cdc study, even though it was contracted by them. Ill give you a hint, it isnt favorable to them.
I'm a millennial with a Bachelors in Fine Arts. I also own a fuckton of guns.
Gun ownership is skyrocketing among women and minorities, and almost all my friends in their 20's have guns.
>My way of life is gone because the EU and mamma Merkel took away what little rights I had.
>But at least I didn't fight back, that would be inconceivable.
This is why we hate you fucking cuckholds.
bad argument. someone else can have that responsibility because they need to qualify themself through training tests and ongoing reviews (police). just like you cant decide if we're going to war by yourself but the government can.
guns are not needed for that, tasers would do. unless of course the strong use guns, then you'd need guns yourself. better invent something that kills by thought, to be on the safe side
If we're talking about the NRA and gun lobby groups in general then it's because they are just like any other organization with their grips around the throats of politicians and hands in their pockets. Politics is filled with shitty underhanded fags from all sides because that's sadly what wins in that realm. When you donate to organizations for your cause you're giving money to blood sucking devils who will do and say anything to get their way.
You don't think the Washington post did the study do you?
The newspaper is reporting on the study which was done by the respected and reputable GSS.
I can't say I'm shocked at conspiratorial thinking coming from gun owners. If you think the GSS used bad methods, then expose them and invalidate their study. But you know you can't so you cry bias. Pro tip: just because something goes against your worldview doesn't mean it's biased. YOU are the one who is biased if you don't adjust your views based on evidence.
We should just turn this into a gun porn thread. Only OC!
This is my Springfield 1911 Loaded converted to 460 Rowland
>guns are not needed for that, tasers would do. unless of course the strong use guns, then you'd need guns yourself. better invent something that kills by thought, to be on the safe side
tasers would not do at all, not only are they extremely temperamental (sometimes they have literally no affect) they dont work if someone has something as simple as a heavy coat on
>a lobby that actively protects a part of the bill of rights is evil
Fuck off, next thing we know youll be saying a free speech lobby isnt needed, like the free speech coalition.
I got that fine-ass corporate internal printing services yo. It's not glamerous, but it pays the bills and then some.
more oc gun porn.
can you imagine that the only time i've ever seen a real weapon, aside from movies, is at a police station when i was 7, and on a few policemen? i've never witnessed a gun incident. the last gun incident in my city is years ago, once. when a gun incident happens in my country its a big deal, wheres in the usa its so common as to be ignored. no, i like the way it is
LOL sure fight gun rights to the death and I do mean the death because when it really comes down to it most of you who own a gun will hesitate to shoot down the mentally unstable dude with a gun and you'll die by the power of the very thing you loved.
>Your government is a lot more likely to kill you than your neighbor, or even some psycho.
no its not. look up death statistics, 99.99% of the time its not the government.
which, if someone has common sense, is obvious.
Here's an m-16a1 I built from a parts kit. Most everything on it is from the Vietnam Era, except for the receiver of course. Gotta follow THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GUN LAWS already on the books in America.
Is there a button the vet rid of all niggers jews and spics instead?
>doesnt understand meme arrows mean implying
I've been around guns all my life. The first time I ever fired one I was seven years old. I have also never seen a gun incident. Turns out the media narrative of nonstop gun violence and blood on the streets is a lie. Shocking, I know. As long as you stay out of the ghetto, your chance of getting shot is practically zero.
sick, what are the specs?
Mine is a Daniel Defense M4V5.
Troy BUIS and an Aimpoint PRO. ErgoGrip and an O-Light 300lumen flashlight.
>this faggot again
We settled this in the previous thread. There is no correlation between an increase in gun control and a decrease in homicide
I'm not at all saying what they defend is evil; i'm pro gun myself. I'm saying that ALL these organizations in general engage in dirty, slimy, and underhanded political strategy to get their cause accomplished. Whether that cause is righteous or not is for us to decide. The pro-gun, anti-gun groups, pro oil/fossil fuel, pro environment, pro abortion, pro life and so on are all filled with these snakes of human beings because that's simply what that line of business entails.
Sadly. Regardless of how many murders there are, the right and duty of the people to own firearms will always be infinitely more important. You guys can cry about it all you want, but that's the simple fact of the matter and no matter what regulation gets passed, it doesn't change that fact
>Unintentional injury is the leading cause of death in Americans aged 1 to 44 (NCHS, 2012). Firearm-related injury, in particular, is a serious threat to the health of the nation, with direct costs to the victims of violence as well as societal costs to families, friends, and communities. In 2010, there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) as deaths.
>According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI’s) Uniform Crime Reporting Program, 68,720 people were murdered in firearm-related violence between 2007 and 2011. During that same time frame, firearms accounted for more than twice as many murders as all other weapons combined (FBI, 2011b). More than two-thirds of victims murdered by a spouse or ex-spouse died as a result of a gunshot wound (Cooper and Smith, 2011).
>More than 600,000 victims of robbery and other crimes reported that they faced an assailant armed with a gun (Truman and Rand, 2010).
>if gun ownership raises the risk of suicide, homicide, or the use of weapons by those who invade the homes of gun owners, this could cancel or outweigh the beneficial effects of defensive gun use (Kellermann et al., 1992, 1993, 1995).
Yeah this study makes guns sound like regular life savers lmao.
Here's one for you artsy fuckers.
Keep that gun porn rolling
America doesn't have a gun violence problem.
The problem stems from the ghetto/blacks.
Did you know, adjusted for population, blacks are 200 times more likely to kill a white person than a white person is to a black?
In NYC blacks make up 23% of the population and commit 75% of the shootings.
Whites make up 33% of NYC and commit 3% of the shootings.
These kinds of statistics are repeated all over the country.
It's not a gun problem. It's something else.
>Troy BUIS and an Aimpoint PRO. ErgoGrip and an O-Light 300lumen flashlight.
Built it myself, Troy BUIS as well, .223 wylde 1:8 twist. Anderson lower, Wise arms upper. Shitty UTG red dot (Saving for a Comp M4s) with magpul furniture and angled grip.
That newspaper didn't perform the study. You can find links to that particular study from various media outlets.
It's telling that you have nothing to say about the study itself.
You're right, this particular article/study only looks at the US.
However, if you were to look at other countries, I'm sure you would find the same absence of correlation. But feel free to point to a published study that shows a statistically significant correlation between an increase in gun control and a decrease in all homicides (not just gun homicides).
>protip: you can't
You gave your anecdote and I gave mine. As for gun abuse, people are always going to abuse tools. Fact is, for every person who abuses them, there are millions who don't. Why should millions be deprived of weapons based on the actions of the few?
>if someone's already in my house with a gun
see, youre so fucked you cant even imagine that this is not a real possibility in truly developed countries. i live in germany and the likelyhood of someone suddenly in my house with a gun is probably the same as me getting hit by a meteor. because people dont have easy access to guns. which then massively increases the cost of guns on the black market, which you even have to find first (im betting you dont have access to the black market as most people do). so all the normal criminals cant even afford a gun, and if they can, they probably got better stuff to do than invade the house of some guy cause they are rich as fuck. Robberies do happen here, but not with guns which massively decreases the probability of death in such situtations. I dont need a gun to feel safe in my house.
This is 100% true. Just yesterday during daylight in a good Area I was attacked by a gang of blacks. They pulled out a knife and asked me. If I was a blood. And before I could say anything he's fucking nigger friend yelled "stab him stab him". I ran as fast as I could and barely escaped I didn't stop runing until I entered the mall nearby and hid there for hours. I'm white, clean cut, in no way resembles any kind of gang style. Niggers just wanted to fucking nig. I was opposed to carrying a gun, but after that attack, fuck those niggers. bear mace and a pistol are my new carry arounds. Not gonna take that shit.
police training is the reason I allow others to have a gun and protect me, thereby not needing to own one myself and preventing others who arent trained/tested from getting one and dangering me. its a win/win.
Damn, with a barrel like that, you should consider something magnified. It's probably laser-pew-pew accurate.
What else you got?
Here's a close-up of the m16 I built.
Communist lies and propaganda.
The U.S. doesn't have a gun problem. Jews just want to disarm good honest people so their nigger and spic foot soldiers can murder off everyone of even the remotest value.
Not many guns, homicide rate off the chart. Explain that.
You can point at maps all you want, but run the numbers and you'll see that there is no correlation.
This looks at multiple countries and actually found an INCREASE in homicides after stricter gun control laws were adopted:
>hehe if i mock him he totally wont question my graph that has no sources, no date, and no way to double check
>le master troll
you make that graph yourself in paint? Tell me where you pulled it from and ill check out the sources
>I have also never seen a gun incident. Turns out the media narrative of nonstop gun violence and blood on the streets is a lie.
>my anecdotal experience counts more than actual facts and statistics
No. Im talking about your local representative, you know the one who actually writes laws worrying about the president is retarded, worry about your state and federal representatives. Or do you not know who is running in your area?
Im at work now and dont have pics but I carry an xd-s 9mm. I have a super old marlin .22 a 20 gauge (Both given to me by my father) As well as 2 Lee Enfields, one a jungle carbine another a just regular standard issue rifle. (Super hard to find ammo for them).
That barrel is crazy accurate with the Sierra 77gr OTM. Best I could do was a 4 shot group with about a .75 moa group using that shitty UTG red dot. I thought about an ACOG but I'd rather a red dot. I dont shoot much past 250 m.
shut the fuck up europoor.
the day will come you would be happy to have a gun for protecting your familly.
Well then if they are in poverty why don't they get honest jobs to work their way out of it instead of joining gangs, preforming illegal activity that will get them arrested and affect their job opportunities, having kids out of wedlock, or doing drugs to make them feel better all while living off of the government's handouts.
This is half the problem in the USA. Most of you live under economic slavery masquerading as liberty. You have no real social services despite paying equal tax to other western countries so you have to work for a pitiful minimum wage and resort to "hunting" and crime to make ends meet.
tl;dr America is the biggest joke in the world.
you are the reason America is losing touch with its roots and is slowly trading civil liberties for "social equality"
please move to Canada or the U.K. if you're too much of a cuck to handle freedom, don't poison the well for those of us that value it
Do you realize that in the US (Which I'm not from, I'm from a shitty restrictive controlling country when it comes to firearms) that all the cities/towns that have heavy gun laws, which are controlled by democrats by the way, have the highest gun crimes and murder rates? So... The places that have the tightest gun laws, detroit for example, have the worst murder rates.
On the opposite end of the spectrum. Places like Plano, Texas have the highest gun ownership in America yet it has the lowest murder rate in the entire country.
Explain that one genius.
>i dont feel weak
try living next to psychos and drug addicts like the rest of us you fucking delusional poof
this probably bait. too stupid to take seriously.
The last sentence here sums it up perfectly. Just scrolling by, I don't argue with Muritards/muslims/feminists. They're all the same close minded, indoctrinated and self righteous fucking idiots in the world. Literally 90% of all the problems are solved with those 3 not existing. Excluding Africa but they're irrelevant to me
>Explain that one genius.
then explain to me the low gun and murder rates in europe
funny example: in the uk most policemen dont even walk around with guns and their rates went down since
I certainly have.
I got lost off the Las Vegas strip and a very kind homeless man helped me back to the strip. I gave him $50 for helping me. I asked a police officer to point me in the right direction, but there had been a shooting of a bus driver right next to where I was going. When I approached the police officer he pushed the side of his assault rifle against my chest and told me to step away.
I witnessed a mugging in New York City at gunpoint in the village where the sex and the city house is (can't remember the name)
Beautiful country, and definitely culturally rich but the fucking guns just made is a horribly scary place.
The funny thing is that I actually *AM* a gun owner in Australia, but seeing people carrying in the streets is bone chilling.
>Thinking you're free
Nigger. Trump addressed this 2nd amendment, almost got kicked out of the country because of it. I'm not a trump cuck, just pointing out the hypocrisy here