Why are Americans so obsessed with guns?
Nobody needs a semi automatic weapon.
>Inb4 MUH CONSTITUTION
Nobody cares about you 250 year old paper written by slave holders.
>>701964087
>yawn
STFU ya Commie fucktard!!!!
>>701964087
>uk
>had mass shooting
>banned most guns
result: no mass shootings
>australia
>had mass shooting
>banned guns
result: no mass shootings
>usa
>had mass shootings day after day
>???
>>701964087
Guns don't kill people, people kill people
>>701964087
why do you care so much about us?
you must have a crappy life.
>>701964346
nukes dont kill people, people kill people
everyone should have a nuke
>>701964424
>trying this hard
>>701964332
>"mass" shootings
We aren't little faggots like you guys, 2-3 victims isn't a mass shooting.
>>701964332
yeah, isn't that strange. none before and none after.
>>701964087
OP, you're right fuck old rules
Americans unite cause today we say fuck the constitution and we go back to owning niggers!
>>701964087
>nobody needs
Nobody needs anything besides food, water, and shelter.
It's called a WANT. We WANT guns, so we have them. We don't let our government cuck us into giving up our right to own guns like you euros have done. Sorry if you're jealous. :^)
>>701964483
>2-3
Hungerford massacre. Look it up
there is no real reason to own firearms in the year 2016
meat comes from the supermarket and security comes from the police force
if y'all be less selfish america will be a safer place
>>701964424
Nukes prevented the ww3 for so far...
And ended ww2 in pacific, so yeah more nukes!
>>701964731
and what happens when cops stop working cause they're being targeted by the BLM commies?
To keep us safe from aliens
>>701964483
35 killed, 23 injured at port arthur
>not a mass shooting
>>701964602
Tell you what mate, I really am jealous of not having mass shootings in my country. I WISH WISH WISH we could just kill each other with guns by the dozen every day like you guys, I can't think of anything better.
You stupid, pointless American fuck. Go salute your little flag and blow your neighbours brains out.
>>701964087
Don't you have a gender studies course to attend?
>>701964332
>uk
>had mass shooting
>banned most guns
result: Gun crime on the rise, innocent people have no means to defend themselves. Good job.
>>701964997
>this fucking angry
:) you ok big guy?
Kennesaw, Georgia
>Gun Mandate
>Filled with guns
>No mass shootings
>Has had 1 murder within the past 30 years
I TELL YOU ANON, WE NEED GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE GOVERN-
How naive are you thinking that banning something would make it go away?
>>701964332
you guys enjoy your refuges while it lasts.
>>701964731
why don't y'all get castrated? if you weren't so selfish there would be no rape.
Why are retarded euroniggers obsessed with America's guns?
>>701964997
sorry about the tiny penis.
>>701965048
>gun crime on the rise
Says who you tool? No-one ever apart from silly right wing news sources who demonstrably make up half of what the print.
>>701964087
>>250 year old document
Anon are you inferring that just if something is old it is somehow invalid or wrong?
>>701965264
>you have no proof
>your only proof is right wing so it's completely wrong
>quit arguing with me REEE
Probably to avoid being made somebody's bitch.....like your country
>>701965098
Certainly am, I live in peace that I'm not going to get shot ever unless I got to the 3rd world or America.
>>701965264
u wot m8?
>>701965264
>half
All
>>701964087
american here
the inbred hillbillies who want guns are the same people who are voting for drumpf
i hate my country sometimes
>>701965201
They've always hated the U.S.A., even while they claimed to like it.
>>701964332
What's so bad about mass shootings anyway?
>>701965397
So does the entire rest of the world.
>>701965342
>still angry as fuck
:) I've never been shot, no one I know has ever been shot, and none of my family has ever been shot, we all own guns.
Guess we just got lucky, huh? ;)
>>701964332
I know it seems simple to simple to simple ignorant minds such as yourself but unfortunately it's not that easy anon
>>701964087
It must really bother you that a 250+ year old piece of paper is more valid and important than you opinion mate. Also i make a living carrying a semi automatic rifle so suck it pal. No not in military either. No really if you don't like guns i can completely respect your opinion not to like them. But i can not respect the fact you can't respect my right to have them. I've only shot 1 person and he was attempting to rob our armored car. I'll leave this at this. You have your opinions i have mine. Agree to disagree?
everyone itt has no right to say anything you just said according to op..and the police should just be able to enter your homes unannounced whenever they want
>>701965131
do you frequently go hunt mexicans ?
>>701965397
He's angry that they're not voting for the Clinton war-crime spree.
>>701964087
>Nobody cares about you 250 year old paper written by slave holders.
So we can do away with the law preventing us from owning slaves, too, right?
That one's pretty old
Or maybe something isn't necessarily wrong by virtue of being old
>>701965397
aww delicious butt hurt.
your statement is as stupid as you are.
voting for the hag eh'?
>>701965522
no I usually hire then and shoot them after they're done working
>>701965397
>>701965522
No because they know not to fuck with me because I'm armed. I don't have to hunt them because they aren't a physical threat
>>701965589
I'm willing to bet that he's angry about the 1st and 8th amendments as well. He faps to videos of police brutality when done to Americans.
>>701964087
Because we can, here some of mine. Try to pick out the ones that I built in my garage.
>>701965397
Leave?
>>701964731
Simply put Americans are independent by nature(in fact many independent type people from all over have moved to America ) and prefer to have more control of their personal security.
>>701965723
Why so many ak's?
I also get that The ones at the top ate not,just can't name them
>>701964731
>no real reason
It's sad that this is your only argument, and it's such a shit argument. "Oh well, you don't NEED them.."
Last time I checked, I don't NEED a car but I own one.
The founding fathers saw the right to bear arms as predating the constitution because it's a useful tool in the inalienable right to life.
>>701965264
>I'm fine with living in a country where self defence is illegal and everybody who isn't must be right wing!
>>701965723
4 of them 2 silver barrel and 2 silverish receivers not op just a gun nut
>>701965716
You sound like a giant faggot
>>701965723
bottom right i know for a damn fact
>>701964332
Oh fuckkkkk isnt that pamperchu?
Thats a recent pic I've never seen before
>>701964087
>Nobody needs a semi automatic weapon
Tell that to hunters that have been trampled, people killed by bears, people killed by home invaders, etc.
Your naive perception of the world is not necessarily the correct ones.
Frankly, I wish we had gun laws like theirs, I don't want to fear anyone I know getting killed or raped in exciting new Europe.
Calling the police isn't always an option.
>>701965522
When is the last time a Mexican did a mass shooting at a concert?
When was the last time a Mexican jumped in a truck and ran over 80 fucking people until he was shot?
Mexicans are not refugees. They come here and work their asses off. Muslims don't
>>701965924
Very top one looks like a highly modified draganov
>>701964346
They damn well make it easier to do on mass. i never understood this defense?
>>701966012
>Mexican did a mass shooting
Uh some wet back just killed like 50 fags at a gay club didn't he? Like last month.
fuck you cUcK
Shall not be infringed!
>>701965871
the top ones are RPKs. They're excellent investments. The 74s I build I may have $450 in. When the next political scare comes about they'll be worth $1200.
>>701965915
>>701965924
correct, they are unfinished in this picture. Notice the flash hiders aren't on a few of them. They have proper finishes now. Have another.
>>701964602
>right to own guns
Can you make a gun from scratch with material scavenged from the Earth? No. By your logic you should have a right to own biochemical weaponry. There is no logic behind thinking it's your right to own a gun.
Handguns kill more people than "assault rifles". They are more commonly used in mass shooting too. So, the government knows that banning assualt rifles isn't going to stop killings or mass shootings, so why are they so keen on this ban which will effectively do nothing? It is because if they declare war on their own people or orchestrate are war between conservatives and liberals, they only want one side armed with automatic weapons: their side.
>>701966134
He was an afghan you retard
>>701966104
So do cars, knives, blunt objects, poisonous materials, fire starting chemicals...
Should we just ban everything with potential dangers? Are we that afraid?
>>701965397
>>701964087
All weapons are semi automatic weapons
>>701966224
>by your logic...
No, I never said that. But go ahead and keep adding words to my mouth, you strawman. Also, 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms. Keep being retarded though. :)
>>701964087
>Why are Americans so obsessed with guns?
Our country was originally fought for with privately owned arms
>Nobody needs a semi automatic weapon.
I do, I work security and my gun was just a hobby before it became my job
>Nobody cares about you 250 year old paper written by slave holders.
You care enough to make a shitty troll thread
>>701964332
>uk austrailia
Have more violent crime per capita, though.
>>701964424
Nukes aren't guns, they're ordnance
>>701964731
You've obviously never had an intruder at 4am.
>>701965123
The police state, should one every arise, will be enforce by boots on the ground. They aren't going to bomb their own infrastructure. We also all know what happened in Vietnam.
>>701965397
Not voting Trump and I have a gun
Y'all done or y'all finished?
>>701966194
That is a very odd stock.and what magnification is that sight?
>>701964332
>Germany
>had WW2
>banned most guns
result: GETTIN' RAPED!
>>701966224
Then you don't have the right to free speech.
So shut up.
>>701964332
Learn to Google. Still happening in both places, just not as liberal media there to spew the bile
>>701964087
https://youtu.be/LORVfnFtcH0
>>701966224
that is possible how do you think steel is made iron ore is melted down
>>701964087
>Nobody cares about you 250 year old paper written by slave holders.
nobody cares about your opinion
>4chan in 2007
liberal, left leaning
>4chan in 2016
USA! USA! USA!
what happened?
Meh, I'll keep my 12 gauge :)
>>701965123
HAH GUNS CANT STAND UP AGAINST DRONES AND SHIT THATS HOW WE PACIFIED IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN NO MORE ENEMIES THERE RIGHT
>>701964332
but what's wrong about mass shootings? is it better to get killed by a knife?
>>701966243
Actually no, except for cars plowing through hoards of people most of those things make killing people on mass possible, not easy and potent as most guns. Any chemicals that do are illegal..
>>701965048
>Poster butthurt by facts
>Makes up fact
Fool story crow
>>701966474
The liberals became neo-conservatives, leaving 4chan liberals without a party.
Mass shootings from law abiding citizens? Right.
More like angry children and thugs.
>excluding killings on 1-5 victims
>>701965466
Stop being logical, anon
>>701965106
And (correct me if i'm wrong) I believe it was a stabbing.
>>701966566
Clearly you've never been to the grocery store.
Go home and mix bleach and ammonia in your toilet. Take deep breaths. Post when your done.
>>701966373
WATCH OUT!
WATCHOUT!
WATCHOUT!
OHHHHHH!!!
RKO OUT OF NOWHERE!!!!
>>701964087
Thank You OP, but I'm going Bait Free till the end of the month.
BAN ASSAULT LORRIES
>>701966763
Kek
>>701965106
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/us/georgia-appling-shootings/
The rest of Georgia ain't doing so well, friend. Took me less than a minute to find info on Georgia shootings within the last few months. A single town free of gun violence =\= a whole state or country free of gun violence. Think more rationally for a change.
>>701966701
I think that's what it was, too. I remember the statistic but not the story.
>>701966194
everyone should post guns and refresh this thread with freedom. Friendly reminder: guns aren't the issue - people who are sick and need help, people who are raised without morals, and media sensationalism are problems that when solved, will do much more to save lives than "banning" inanimate objects will.
>>701966827
Lol uses cnn as fact smh
>>701964087
If the slaves had guns, there wouldn't have been slaves. Think about it.
>>701966385
I made the stock. It's not magnifying, it's just a collimator sight. A Belomo PK-01VI if I recall, from Belarus.
>>701965723
You like the thumb hole ak's?
God bless the U.S.A.
>>701966827
>Implying georgia isnt full of niggers
>Implying niggers are allowed to own guns
>Implying they dont own them anyway
>>701964087
I use mine for hunting and home defense
Honestly the nogunz logic is just as flawed as the murrica allgunz or death logic
It's just statistics that higher populations of educated legal gun owners coincides with less violent crime and more cases of halted aggression against a victim(meaning a nigger broke in, got shot, got even poorer cause he had to get stitches in jail.)
I don't understand the two extremes really, trumpists want ar-15's in the hands pf every white male, whilst the other half would want the entire white male population to banned from buying guns
Like can't we just have the middle ground we already have of half decent regulations? Maybe try harder to cut down on illegal guns and stop giving guns to aspies who shoot up schools
>>701966949
Fake.
She's too attractive to like guns.
>mfw liberals think this
>>701966827
Because the mandate is within only Kennesaw, I referenced only the town. It has been growing steadily in recent years, is becoming a city, and still has one of the lowest overall crime rate in the U.S.A.
>>701966827
compensating for a small penis?
>>701967059
Damn, Fac new?
>>701965264
From first paragraph of Wikipedia on UK gun laws: "There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011 (15 to 38 people per annum"
15 to 38 a year. An increase from 15 to 30 is 200% increase. Massive.
On average, 91 Americans are killed by guns a DAY. Three to six times than we do in a YEAR.
Your country's a fucking joke.
Lrn 2 not cherry-pick facts
>>701964087
no one needs you either
>>701966474
most of the kids grew up and tempered the flaws of their former opinions with the reason and logic of life experience
>>701966827
livin' the delusion. what's it like?
>>701966224
>There is no logic behind thinking it's your right to own a gun.
You're a fucking moron. The right to bear arms is a right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. That is the logic behind thinking it's our right to own guns, because the Constitution says we can. You can argue about what *should* be in the Constitution all you like, but what *is* in the Constitution is known fact.
>>701966224
>Can you make a gun from scratch with material scavenged from the Earth?
What kind of a stupid argument is this? If I had to rely on what I could scavenge from the wild, I'd die of starvation if I were lucky enough to last that long. It blows my mind that you think people should only have access to what they can personally build from scratch. Kill yourself.
>>701964087
Until they get their niggers under control I'd say the Yanks still need their second amendment.
>>701967031
Nice!
>>701967031
Nice.you have any experience with the shotgun that uses a rpks receiver?
>>701966401
You mean the fourth largest economy in the world? Yeah, there doing terribly...
>>701966763
If only we can ban the trucks no other method could be used to kill people
>>701966890
Garand buddys
>>701967221
For someone who hates America and americans, you sure do get upset when more Americans die.
>>701967038
When they come with those stocks in order to be legally imported, yes. As stated above, those are VEPRs, which are RPKs. These are in 7.62x54R, which is unusual for Kalashes.
>>701967356
Put everyone in straitjackets.
Problem solved.
>>701967214
Nope. Somebody cerakoted it.
Not mine :(
Maybe we should just ban all whites
>>701967221
Our countries a joke? What's that make you guys for losing to us then?
>>701964991
Logic doesn't work on Americans.
>>701964997
That "little flag" has kept you from speaking Japanese or German. Which shit hole country do you live in that it has saved? Mate?
>>701967505
>ban them to 'Straya, like the UK did
>>701967221
Just pick how you want to look at the data and you can say it either way m8
>>701967342
I'd say ask them, but if any of them complain that a group of immigrants raped his wife and daughter, Angela Merkel throws the whole family in jail.
>>701967589
>the onion
Well I'm glad you're pulling out all the credible and professional sources.
>>701967221
How many bongs died from beatings and knives?
How many rapes do you have a year?
>>701964087
>thinking protecting the right to arms is the same as loving arms
That's like saying protecting free speech means you agree with what every fucktard like you says
>>701967356
Glasgow can think of something, don't you worry.
It's funny how euros are so worried about our gun issues. Why can't you just shut up and stay out of it? You guys hate America anyway, so why not let us kill ourselves?
Maybe you secretly love us and are just worried.
>>701967328
a VEPR 12? Not personally. I'd buy one over a Saiga. I actually don't have my longer VEPR anymore. I couldn't get a good group out of it. So I replaced it with pic related.
>>701967834
Maybe they're just jealous of American gun ownership. Once you've destroyed something with a shotgun shell out of a Taurus Judge, there's no going back.
>>701967695
Oh, so there hasn't been a disproportionately large number of mass shootings in the United States?
The source doesn't matter when it's true. Good attempt at justifying your delusion, though.
>>701967976
H&k boner
Fuck me why is quality so expensive
>>701967976
Is that a g3?(sorry for shity gun knowledge)
>>701964087
I r8 5/8.
Your topic could have been a bit more sensitive and you should ease off the buzzwords. Would have been good for Facebook or YouTube with more Normie folk per capita.
>>701966566
That is not going to kill a room full of people as quickly or as efficiently as a gun.
>>701967505
Now figure out how to stop the other 98% of gun violence.
I'll give you a hint "Their lives (don't) matter"
>>701964087
Guns were there to stop a tyrannical government from ruling over their country.
Unfortunately they are already do so ;)
>>701966373
But don't you see you wouldn't NEED a gun [for security] if guns weren't legal as your potential assailants wouldn't have guns either? I know you've never had it any other way, but it works elsewhere.
I think the biggest problem Americans face is y'all don't trust the hypothetical interim period afterward where guns are illegal but many folk haven't handed them in, making the enemy psychologically anywhere, but with no direct course of defence.
Thing is, every other country that's banned guns has gone through this successfully.
>One more thing
That violent crime per capita stat- where'd you get that as that would be incredibly shocking if true. I respectfully call bullshit for now.
>>701968157
The driver was an alcohol
No one says why the us has high death rates for guns we have a ngger problem not a black a nigger problem 52% of murders come from 13% of the pop (blacks) and not every black is a jigger so more like 52% of murders come from 3%? Of the pop it ain't guns its niggers
And fuck guns we need tanks working tanks as well so stfu over guns.
>>701968120
Ask your local Jew.
>>701968121
But we've already banned the whites. Their lives don't matter, and nobody gives a shit when a cop guns one down.
>>701964602
Actually, shelter isn't considered a basic need. However, you missed the basic need that shelter falls under, which is security. Can you think of something else that might help with security?
>>701966890
You're right!
All we have to do is ban madness and this whole thing will fix itself!
>>701968214
I've had intruders break in that didn't have guns, and trust me, it was way easier waving them off with a gun thanA. Letting them steal shit or B. Start boxing them
>>701968111
>>701968116
It is not an HK, it is a PTR which is the best anyone can do without spending too much. It's a US made clone of a HK91 built with the actual tooling and machinery from HK. The HK91 is the semi only version of the G3, which is select fire (It has a giggle switch). It shoots a good group. Have an Enfield.
>>701966012
Mexico is infested with the most dangerous criminal organization on the planet. Mexicans with illegal guns have killed more people than Isis you retard.
>>701967128
>Makes up own point
>Refutes own point
If you're hearing voices, being sectioned is free
>>701964424
if guns dont kill people but people kill people, does that mean that toasters do not toast toast but toast toasts toast?
>>701966224
Actually, yes I can. But its a lot easier to take scrap metal to do it.
>>701965048
Dont forget about the assault hammer sprees, uk stopped having gun deaths and switch to knive and blunt weapons to kill ppl, same amount of people dies, the only thing was , it was usually the victim dying instead of the perpetrator
Australia had a increase of 2600% on home invasion after the buy back program.
>>701968482
... and as well with guns courtesy of the Obama administration, no less.
>>701964997
Shinning example of conformation bias
>>701965201
Jealousy
>>701968320
You piss and moan about mass shooting but negros account for the majority of gun crime.
Most crime in America. You have to add whites and Hispanics to equal what negros do.
So who should we ban?
>>701968214
Why not just make murder not legal the we have no murders that's your fucking retard logic. Make drugs not legal then no one will have any jackass all that does is make you defenseless every country that has banned guns has had crime increase ill start fucking breaking into homes hey no one has a gun so no fear
>>701968436
Have a random assortment of stuff
>>701966474
This site naturally collects anarchists and outcasts angry at the establishment who naturally oppose whatever values the current establishment espouses.
This is why we fight so hard. That and our own government cannot be trusted.
>>701965318
Crickets on this one as usual
>>701968526
should be jailed for life.
>>701967505
>Whites
>>701964087
Have you ever shot a gun? It is fun as fuck. My buddies and I hit the range one a month or so to practice aim for our milita.
>>701968436
All I have is hw85k(air rifle)
>>701968647
loving the springfield 1911, how much that set you back?
>>701968614
I'm sorry that my sarcasm didn't come through strongly enough.
I was just trying to take the race discussion on an equally justifiable tangent.
>>701968614
Yes anon they hate america I say we send them back to Africa paid by for by tax's hell I'm willing to fly em first class. We need a hitlar style pres in the us... Wipe out the nigger gangs, the Mexicans raping and stabbing everyone, tell the rest of the world to fuck off and keep our money here no free hand outs fuck off on welfare and make people work again.
>>701967059
holy shit i want
>>701968346
Don't even use the word ban. You can't ban anything. Telling people they can't do something won't stop all of them from doing it. Banning guns is as effective as banning madness as it doesn't fix anything. The problem is much deeper. Why is the violence there in the first place? I'm not saying to stuff anyone with issues into a looney bin, I'm saying that 90% of these people who go shoot up public places were showing signs for years. They were unstable and needed help for years. There were even probably people who knew, and who cared about them but had no way to get them help because the only way to get help in 2016 is to pay amounts of money that only the 1% can afford. So these individuals who need help, don't get it, and then they get angry and take it out on the public. Maybe because that was their first choice, or maybe because they know that the world will see their anger due to the media sensationalizing it for months on end.
Tl;dr the problem is trying to ignore what the real problem is: people. Unprovoked violence is not normal, or healthy, and that is where we should begin to fix things.
>>701965201
Because they have no guns and therefore are compelled to resort to killing each other with knives or by pummeling each other to death in drunken brawls over football matches.
Meanwhile...back mere in 'murica....there are a bunch of us hitting the range occasionally to stay sharp on our skills so that we can cross the Atlantic to save Europe from whomever decides to roll a few divisions of tanks across their borders. Again.
>>701964991
Well one of you pussy convicts should have shot that mf with your carry pistol.
you are allowed to carry pistols aren't you?
You dumb Aussies can't even control your mice population, how could anyone expect you to defend yourselves?
I wonder how much China would pay to own Australia?
>>701968526
ummm No Australia didn't have a 2600^ increase of home invasions at all where did you get this information from? it was only 30% for a total of 21 261 in the whole year
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html
official data if you want to look
>>701968813
Birthday present, but i believe it was around $550 at the time about 7 years ago. Nothing but good things to say about it. Going on 2000 rnds through it, no problems, only shoots better.
Also i made those grips for it.
I'm not against guns, but I think buying more than 2 is a complete waste of money.
>>701969280
The next week it would ask for a refund, anyway.
>>701967410
I actually love Americans and America; half my family are there and am constantly defending y'all when people talk smack when they've never been.
>>701967533
An empire in decline, batting waaay above what it should be given we're a tiny island nation half-filled with morons.
Also, that war should never have started, it was all Benjamin Franklin's fault for being a drunken whoremonger who didn't do his job for the crown properly and switched sides when he realised he'd fucked up. Invented good shit, though.
Fun fact: Britain beat the Viet Cong with two men and a bicycle. America beat them wi- oh, wait.
>>701967640
You can't misrepresent data backed from multiple unconnected sources. You can learn more about how data works in school.
School: where you need to go.
>>701967698
Less than in America.
>>701968822
My bad.
>>701964087
Amercian here. I own a small hand gun don't know the make model brand anything. It was strictly bought so when my wife went on walks she wouldn't get fucked up by bears and shit in the forest.
I see no problem with banning guns for the largest fact: I don't use them.
I always have a knife on me sure if it came down to an epic life or death fight with some random hobo I'd probably get mugged, raped, and killed. But realistically we live in a world that should no longer need guns or funding for "weaponry for our protection" we're just selling them to other people so we can make more anyway.
Just my thought on it though.
>>701964087
I love guns
>I hunt deer and quail
>I have a remmington 780 12 gauge and a remmington 700 .270
>I use these to hunt and defend my property
i dont need an AR15 or a handgun to do either of those things. Those types of weapons are for killing people only.
AR and pistol faggots come at me
>>701965522
do mexicans frequently try to force their religious beliefs on everyone and all of the other shit that mudslimes are infamous for?
>>701969349
Actually, three is perfect. A shotgun, a .22 rifle, and a handgun of at least 9mm or larger caliber.
>>701969349
Except that guns are almost always a solid investment, especially when panic buying causes price fluctuations of 100% or more.
>>701968214
>If you ban things, that makes it go away forever!
Too bad one of our neighboring countries is infested with the most dangerous criminal organization in the world (Mexico and the cartels). Banning guns would just give the cartels ANOTHER avenue of profit and befire you know it, America is the Nation of Armed Criminals and Cucked Citizens.
>>701966513
you mean those country's thousands of miles away that was forced into shitty guerrilla tactics by using bombs and suicide bombers that got defeated in a week using conventional warefare
>>701966373
> Our country was originally fought for with privately owned arms
All american country start with a lot of guns, since 30's latĂn americans countrys started a gun control and was working at drugs and that kind of stuf. Tnx 'murica to gib guns to JosĂ© cartel.
>>701969485
The ones that will come at you don't come to 4chan.
>>701969280
Americans all have carry pistols yet whenever there is a shooting people carrying run and hide. only7 stories of heroism you hear about are all ex marines. cowards wanting to feeling safe but you never muster the bravery.
But you got us on the china thing....true we are their bitches
>>701964087
I care about that piece of paper. Just proves that you are wrong yet again.
>>701964332
pix story and sauce now
>>701968342
Security isn't a basic need. A basic need is something needed to maintain homeostasis. Shelter is far more important than having guns or the right to have guns. You won't (necessarily) die from lack of guns or lack of security. You will die from lack of food, water, or enough shelter to prevent freezing to death.
That's not to say the right to bear arms isn't necessary or good. But saying it's more important than shelter is only going to make you look like a redneck moron.
>>701964087
Why is everyone so obsessed with america? Jelly much?
>>701966435
They didnt had sword laws back then and you could easily murder every one wit h as sword.
Or a bow, there was some mental guy who went to war in ww2 with a bow, fucker killed 80 people with a bow and longsword.
I can kill someone with a spoon in 8 different ways, should we ban spoons?
Also europe hasnt felt the full extend of niggers, sure 1000 women got raped at one event during newyears but clearly you dont get it yet.
No wonder i took 400 years before the first defensive war against the jihads happened.
>>701968214
the 2A is there so we can collectively shoot bullets at our government officials if we ever collectively grow some balls and decide we're sick of getting assfucked.
>inb4 lol u think u can fite ur government
our government can't even wipe out ill-equipped sand niggers hiding in caves and villages.
>>701964087
Amerifag here, I don't understand it either. I fully support gun control, as I don't trust the average brain dead redneck with a fucking AK47/AR. I mean, I still think people should be able to get them, but we need better background checks, better mental health checks, and just common sense gun control laws in general. There is literally no other reason as to why we have the highest gun crime rate in the Western world, other than that because we have gun liberty and easy access to them.
>>701968526
inside job, that kid was behind the whole plot
>>701969481
Sell your gun.
Tell your wife to use a knife on the bear.
After it chews her face off, come talk to those of us who have guns for legitimate reasons.
I work two block away from where a serial killer killed and buried 12 women. He didn't use a gun.
So go fuck yourself for thinking it's ok for you to give away my rights. Asshole!
>>701969197
You're completely right and I agree with you EXCEPT that's a pipe-dream. Even if you could, theoretically, treat every person who would be a threat to society, how would you know who was mad in the first place?
The point is, it's so incredibly easy to get a gun, that a hitherto unknown mad person's first sign of madness can be slaying a room full of school kids, as it has been multiple times in recent years. Access is the problem.
Further, if you could treat all mad people in society, you'd end the criminal element altogether, at which point I can't see why guns would be a problem at all.
The problem is reality. We have to live in it. We can't live in hypotheticals.
>>701964087
>Nobody cares about you 250 year old paper written by slave holders.
literally most of muricans do care
>>701969320
from a government that lies. what could go wrong?
>>701969881
This is what the media whats you to believe, that its rednecks causing the violence. It isn't. Stop being such a sheep.
>>701964087
because it gives them the illusion they are free and have freedom, some control over their destiny etc., a comfort blanket
>>701969657
During World War 2, only 20% of soldiers fired and the enemy, and only 2% fired with the intent to kill. Killing other humans is not a natural instinct for humans, and soldiers have to be taught to kill before they can even make the decision.
http://www.milsf.com/psychology-of-killing/
>>701969606
Defeated kek
>>701964087
Fun fact most suicides are swept up into gun violence statistics for inflation. Also the United States are incredibly large, someone getting shot is bound to happen relatively often.
>>701969657
Because guns are mde to protect you not others, you dont go run in to a gun battle not knowing the sides.
Fuck guess you never played eve with out comms.
>>701969657
gotta disagree with you on the china thing. That number you will probably reference in retort? Yeah it means nothing. That number does not represent who controls what. The US still controls most of the worlds oil, for example. Also, have you noticed that the US imports most of it's oil? Noticed how much we consume? Noticed where all that oil we use comes from? We're pumping the world dry while we sit on our oil. 50 years and we'll be the only ones left with oil. We likely will be the only ones with a solution to that problem as well. And not to mention, as shitty as that may be, we can stop anyone from doing anything about it because we can glass everything meaningful on this planet in a few hours.
Sure is great to be on top.
>>701969797
Cant you build shelters, wtf are for pussy?
>>701966224
By your logic its ok to have child sex slaves. Mods please get this pedo asshole of this board
>>701968214
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
A mugger or someone breaking into your home with a knife or machete is just as dangerous as if they had a gun.
Try fending off a nut with a cutting weapon or blunt instrument on your own strength and see how far you get. Both of you will be hurt and possibly one (probably you) will be dead or critically wounded.
Sure, it's easier to kill with a gun, but knives are no fucking joke either.
Maybe getting rid of guns would mitigate mass mirders, but when it comes to people that really want to murder a bunch of people, they'll still find a way to do it.
Much as you might hate it, guns are here to stay. Just like with nukes, we can't go back to not having them. So you may as well just suck it in and mind your own business.
>>701969881
implying rednecks are the only gun owners.
you're dumber than they are.
>>701969797
>Security isn't a basic need.
>>701970141
sure kid.
>>701969657
The US media doesn't really like stories of people using guns to,defend themselves.
It doesn't fit the narrative.
You can find more than seven in any issue of American rifleman.
>>701969797
You're an idiot, shelter is considered security from the elements. Depending on the shelter, it can have added security from predators. Also, a lot of our security comes from civilization, so we don't have to worry about every random person attacking you. But in the wild, you need protection, so yes security is a basic need. No you don't necessarily need a gun, fire works, shelter works, hell a big stick, even out laws, but security is a basic need, and if you don't see that you live a sheltered life.
Why do people oppose stronger background checks before they can purchase a firearm?
>>701970141
I doubt that. Europeans have been happily slaughtering each other for millennia
>>701970400
21 foot rule:
If an armed man is within 21 feet, draw your gun because he can sprint and stab you before you can draw and aim.
>>701970096
I'm not a liberal. I don't buy into the Lamestream media. But there is simply no argument against the fact that we have the highest gun crime rate in all of the Western world. I mean, how the fuck do you even make an argument for that? We all know the reason gun crime rate is so high here in the States is because guns are legal to buy and easy to access. I'm sick of all these "red pill truthers" who think that guns are some sort of asset to our country. Grow the fuck up.
>>701964087
>nobody needs a semi automatic weapon
uzis for everyone then?
>>701964675
Sounds like another Boston Massacre in a nutshell, blown up and out of proportion to scare people.
>>701970370
kek you got him there
i think everybody should be allowed to own guns for hobby reasons, for use at a range or whatever. concealed carry or home protection should be limited to handguns though, nobody needs an AR-15 to defend their home.
>>701969881
HAve you ever even met rednecks, they are the coolest least violent people in america .
>>701964087
Id rather live in dangerous freedom than a peaceful slavery, by having guns, we have the ability to somewhat balance the playing field between the people and the government.
>>701970442
What, do you think that killing fellow humans IS a natural instinct for non-psychopaths?
>>701969881
>>701969881
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>>701970147
Not knowing how easily we could fuck them up if it wasnt for Russia and muh no boots on the ground policy
>>701969881
>Amerifag
>fag
>fixed
>>701970523
You have the highest amounts of niggers in the western world , did you even look in to who shoots who .
The leftard ignorance.
>>701970537
>>701964087
>Why are Americans so obsessed with guns?
Because it is a quick and easy to obtain source of power.
Hurrr muh gun
Instead of athletics and/or academics, loser lazy faggots grab onto this shit.
The only issue with guns is that not everybody has them.
If everybody was packing heat, nobody would dare threaten someone else without being shot dead themselves.
>>701970537
Fuck it. Let's change it so that citizens must be armed at all times with nothing smaller than an M1895 light machinegun.
>>701970523
ok, lets say i agreed with you, and lets ban. now what? how the fuck are you going to do that?
>>701970576
Present day attackers tend to be in the upper range of a dozen.
>>701970330
the china thing was in reference to australia
>>701968696
actually he did get jailed for life and then some I believe
>>701965466
I voted for Bernie, everyone I know voted for Bernie, my family voted for bernie. How was Bernie not elected?????
Different situation, same idiocy
>>701970624
And I agree with you sir! Niggers are what is causing the majority of gun crimes. There is no denying that. But in what Utopian society do you think we live in where we can just change the culture/mentality of these scum bags? We can't, and never will. Most gun homicides are committed by blacks who do not legally own the gun. That's fair. Blacks get these guns because these guns are put into the system easily because it is legal to buy. It goes back to my original point, the easy access and legality of guns in the States is the problem. I would HAPPILY give up my gun rights to prevent niggers from killing each other and others (or at least make it harder for them to kill each other/others.) For every law abiding white man that owns a gun just to hunt or shoot targets, 10 black men murder each other or non-blacks. That is why I am for gun control.
>>701964731
Ban pools. More children's deaths occur due to pools than firearms.
>>701970670
This survey was done by a gun company. You can only see third world countries and the US. No shit it's gonna look like this.
>>701970541
fight a war against france for many years to protect american land.
They turn around and say they dont want to pay for said war which stopped there lands falling into french hands
>>701970096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1X2b0kq9EE
>>701968427
That's true. The security sector would suffer the most from a gun ban but, as it has been in most gun control countries, they're usually granted special dispensation to carry guns for years/decades after.
Also, kek'd at the idea of crim boxing. Would definitely liven up the night shift, mind.
>>701968633
Your fact about crime increasing after gun laws introduced is complete bullshit and you know it. Shame on you.
Also, if you legalise drugs, then crime usually falls as much crime pays for drugs. Reagan's war on drugs is an unmitigated failure and I advise you read into such things.
How do you feel about murder being legal for a day, btw?
>>701969574
That's actually a fair point but posits the idea that as soon as guns are legal, hordes of Meheecans on horseback will cross the border to retake California, which seems unlikely. Or, without being facetious, they'd be an unstoppable murder force which, again, doesn't seem all that likely.
Why not get all the guns that used to be legal and line then up on the border, attached to some string. No need for a wall, then. Just one twitchy Texan.
>>701969877
It's never going to happen.
>>701964087
>>701964424
>>701964731
>>701964997
>>701965123
>>701965201
>>701965501
>>701968214
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>>701970486
Boy is it going to be hilarious if OP is religious.
Gun control only affects law abiding citizens. Criminals don't follow the law. In order to adequately defend myself against criminals (government included) then I need to have the tools to do so.
I am a cop. We rare a response force. That is to say, we respond to situations AFTER they've happened. Response time in the civilian sector averages over 7 minutes. In a lot of cases, that's 7 minutes too late. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
See to your logic deficiency.
>>701970469
bit bias media there, but i agree it the bias goes both ways.
>>701970906
hahaha as if everyone can be trusted to be hurrr packing heat.
pic related.
>>701970505
True that. But in most cases a gun is a good deterrent, unless the assailant is an absolute fucking nutcase.
Your survival won't be any more assured if you have a knife, might help to carry around a good blunt weapon with some reach though.
>>701968120
Then do it when your family gets home instead and report back.
>>701970082
Mate the BOS is independent of the government i've worked there for 4 years..
>>701970670
comparing 3rd world shitholes to the richest country in the world and is serious
>>701971132
Sounds like you're a pretty crappy cop, then. What the fuck am I paying you for?
American here. Guns are fun, I like to shoot maybe once a year at the range. If they were banned and rifles were gone k wouldn't give a fuck.
I share this country with retarded fags. Right to bear arms is stupid and old. If the gov wants to chimp out and over throw us we have nothing we can do. Besides lay down and take it in the ass.
>>701970696
Russia is pro fucking islam up.
It is hillary and brack not willing to work with russia
If it wasnt for the hate against russia the eu wouldnt ever been
Europe isnt even needed if russia isn't considered hostile.
Russia get trade sanctions in favor of which ever fuckface is in charge of the Illuminati jews controlling the west.
They couldn't get balklands to join the eu or do that shit if every thing was friendly with russia
>>701964500
Lol hows that tin hat fittin?
>>701971261
i have no family :'(
>>701964731
The security for the money at an old job of mine came from Brinks, a private contractor. The police would be stretched too thin to carry that cash and deposit it safely.
>>701969797
I never said guns were more important than shelter, although depending on where you are that can be true. This anon >>701970486 gets it. I said shelter was a part of security, which guns are too. So if anything I said they were same? But it really depends on your environment.
>>701964087
>tfw your ancestors get enslaved by the rising tide of islam you defeated because none of them were armed.
>>701971074
And will Jamal happily give up his problem solver?
Maybe after he invades your home and rapes and kills you and your wife.
Chicken or the egg my friend.
>>701970400
You're the retard who can't grasp the concept that if I have access to a gun, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A GUN.
It's called escalation, moron. The only way to win is to scale back to a point where an unseen assailant can't kill you from the shadows 21 feet away.
While you're at it, ban machetes. The fuck needs a sword in the modern day, anyway?
>>701971373
In that case i'm sorry bro.
>>701970946
Well we would start off by banning AR 15s and other assault weapons. Then we would create a system in which it makes it harder for the average person to obtain a gun permit. We will not make it illegal to own assault weapons (we would grandfather them in, meaning if you already own them, then it's not illegal.) We're not going to TAKE what you already own, we will just make it illegal to purchase or build them furthermore.
>>701971279
I invite you to be in my position. Then you might know what you're talking about.
>>701971132
goddamn thread
>>701971074
Look instinct is based on genetics and dictates behavior, low iq ang high testosterone creates violence, it is in their nature.
>" to prevent niggers from killing each other "
CUCK
YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK IN TO BLUNT WEAPON USE IN THE STATES, IF NIGGS CANT GET GUNS THEY USE OTHER STUFF, EVERY COUNTRY THEY BAN GUNS THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF HOMICIDES.
>>701966422
Last time I checked we naturally have vocal chords and lungs.
>>701971238
I'd actually feel safer around a fully-armed community watch than I would if my only option for defense were the police, as >>701971132 pointed out.
>>701971132
Did you just click on random post to make sure people read your shit? There's people on both sides linked...
>>701971281
Maybe you should start now.
>>701968526
Sad people depending on the police to be able to make it there to help
>>701968017
at least in america its mental illness and not fucking immigrants, looking at you, france.
>>701971576
hahah hence the term "cop out"
Lazy dumb shits.
I have friends and family that are cops here in NYS and they will come up with any excuse for their inabilities.
>>701971238
It's not a matter of trust, it's a MAD doctrine. You pull a gun on someone, people around them pull guns on you, including your target. If you kill him, the police will mow you to mincemeat with their assault rifles. Enemy tries to invade? Even small villages can stop a tank brigade with antitank weapons.
I'm telling ya, the MAD doctrine is key.
>>701971713
Until people start getting shot over parking spaces.
>>701964087
Go back to your stinking shit hole of a country. Commie faggot.
>>701964087
>Nobody cares about you 250 year old paper written by slave holders.
You care, because you follow it's laws when you're in the United States
>>701971128
Just hide from the world libtard, soon it will kick in your door.
>>701971710
I have a trigger finger.
See we're both equipped to exercise our rights.
Which you don't believe in. So shut up!
>>701971730
I didn't read the whole thread, only read a few posts and skimmed the rest. May have misread a couple.
>>701971662
Well if I saw enough evidence to support that gun control does in fact affect law abiding citizens more than it affects crime committing niggers, then I would no longer support gun control. But until then, I still support gun control.
>>701971129
Your full of shit
>>701964332
Both australia and the UK have more violent crime, it's also easier to keep guns out of those countries because they are islands and don't have land borders to worry about
>>701964087
I keep one for house protection and that's it. I wouldn't call it an "obsession" - people here in the States are fucking lunatics and this is how I'm choosing to defend myself and my fiancée. If you're talking about gun collectors it's really just another hobby, people are fascinated about relics from the past since they each tell their own unique story.
From a political standpoint I can see where your views are coming from but here, banning guns straight off the bat wouldn't make much of a difference. They will find their way in the US one way or another just like with most drugs and other illegal paraphernalia. What I'm saying is that it's a utopia that probably won't happen anytime soon. In order to ban guns we'd need to completely revamp the prison system, the education system and start cracking down hard in major cities such as St. Louis, Detroit, and LA, but as it stands right now, the US has a prison system that keeps inmates in and has a high return rate, the education system doesn't keep kids interested in school and off the streets - but instead focuses on parading test scores around, and the crime rates and poverty rates in St. Louis and Detroit speak for themselves - LA isn't much different. When the crime gets taken seriously and starts to be cracked down on, and if we can quell this BLM rebellion I'd say sure. But as it stands, it's too hectic in the States to NOT carry.
>>701971770
Yeah, some cops are shitty. But you talk about it like we can fucking teleport.
>>701970523
Banning guns won't affect the violent crime rate, though. People will just kill with knives and shit instead.
Guns do provide some measure of security and power in the hands of a sane person. I mean, I'm not one of those types that rub themselves off to thoughts of bugging out and putting down rioters and looters, but in the case of a serious outbreak of lawlessness, a gun will effectively hold off and deter looters and killers, even those who have guns themselves, if the armed police or national guard aren't there to help you.
>>701971854
Yeah, because the gun crime is just RAMPANT in Switzerland.
>>701968522
nope.. people toast toasts
>>701969406
If you think data cant be misrepresented you can be easily misslead, there are backed examples of groups showing it both ways anon you just see outside your bubble
>>701971576
If I'm in your position, I'm cruising around in a pampered tax-payer wagon turning up late to crime, apparently.
Alright, alright, I'm being a jerk, but isn't the point you're making that your job is facile? Why even have cops if, by your own admission, you can't stop crime. Just self-police and bring assailants to the courts oneself?
I imagine the answer is that because not all people can be trusted with due process, like not all people can be trusted with guns, no?
>>701972020
Umm the links provided with that graph don't correlate with the data?
>>701964087
Nobody NEEDS a cell phone, and yet thousands of people die every year because people are on their phones while they're driving, it isn't a question of need but of liberty
