Does anyone think that it would be better for society if everyone was introduced to sex at the same time? If sex ed were expanded to include everyone losing their virginity in a structured, safe environment.
What difference do you think that would make?
Wouldn't happen. Churchy parents, strict parents and abusive parents would fight it. On top of that underage kids, even if teenagers, with the instructor being older wouldn't happen.
Hypothetically? It would destigmatize sex but also make everyone's first experience one of obligation instead of pleasure. That might do more harm than good. Sex surrogacy is a real thing but turnkng it into a class makes it stressful. What if you don't find your partner attractive?
There is value in working towards a goal, and you'd lose that if it was a mandated task.
Not to mention the bio-psych effects of forced attached mating pairs (a concept which females are biologically predesposed to preserve, and males are predesposed to disrupt)
There would have to be larger legal changes, yeah. But if you think about it like student driving there are stages a kid goes through. When you first get behind the wheel you don't have a license or even a permit. But you're allowed to drive with a licensed instructor as part of a driving class. Its not too hard to see a situation where a man or woman can become trained and licensed to have sex with students in the context of sex ed. Evengelicals would fight it but they fight everything.
It's more about learning the ropes and eliminating the stress that sex brings in an uncontrolled environment when nobody knows what the fuck they're doing. Sex is probably more stressful to someone who gets thrown to the wolves and told to fly on their own than it would be after being properly taught. We teach people how to drive cars, fix powerlines, perform surgery, etc. before we send them out to do all those things for real. Sex is the only thing we don't train people for and expect them to figure it out on their own.
well, its kinda worked for us for the past 100 000 years or so or how ever long the first species of man has excisted.
But I do get the point... watching the young people today... I think they either loose their virginity at 6 years of age or then have no fucking clue what they are supposed to do and will die a vrigin... and thus I set the date for doomsday... pretty much on 2100 on the dot. We will be extinct
OP has a point though if that biowhatever isn't valuable in modern human society. With things like birth control, condoms, abortion, and everything else there is little sense in maintaining animal mating habits. We dont have wings but we can fly by building helicopters. Restricting our sexual development to pure biology is silly.
Its a rough draft but we have driving teachers we trust to take kids out on the road for the first time and swimming coaches who are trained to save a kid from drowning. Is sex different enough that such a thing isn't equally helpful?
I don't know about that sex-day you're suggesting or whatever, but we really should destigmatize sex, like not making a big deal about porn, not teaching kids to be afraid to talk about sex or even have sex, I mean I don't see why children should not be allowed to watch sex scenes or even porn.
I know my point might not be clear because let's face it I'm pretty drunk right now but you get the idea right ?
Sounds like a cry from a "safe place" liberal who is afraid of everything so is willing to give up his and everyone else's freedom to "feel better about life" sorry bro only you can get youself laid.
>there is always the guy who has to announce he is drunk
No one cares. Also sex is alot more complicated than you think. Alot, not all, of teenagers and children cannot handle the emotional and mental side of sex.
Guys, nobody is saying this class would be for 12 year olds. Nobody said anything about "child sex."
I agree with this.
The only people it benefits are the uglies, creeps, and permavirgins. They can go get a hooker.
I mean setting aside the parents/religions/laws this isn't how evolution meant it to be. We have feelings and attractions biological, forcing it in a fuck somebody now situation is just awkward.
Kek sex is supposed to rule out the strong from the weak since the beginning of time just because virgin beta fags cant get any on there own your saying it's a good idea they should practice it at school fucking pathetic sex is something you earn like a badge of honor it's not given to you.
Well i think that would be kind of bullshit. Not everyone is ready at the same time. I think sex ed should be tought in early ages, and should be done good (not as some religios folks who just want to scare the kids with STD's).
The problem with your Idea is that every person develops different (body and mind), and if someone is ready with, lets say, 14, someone else might not. And what about asexuals, those who dont have any desire for sex at all. For them it would be just harmfull if they were forced to have sex.
All in all your idea is just stupid
Kissless, beta, neckbeard permavirgin detected.
Fuck sake man, if the only way you can get laid is if it is mandatory just kys.
This place gets more fucking pathetic by the day.
>hasnt seen the world kid, despit being in almost every post
yeah but then as other people said we're just going to be desensitized and probably become like porn addicts where you have so much dopamine release that it deadens the effect
So this should be done by the state instead of your parents? Im sorry you had prude parents anon, but that doesnt mean everyone did.
>mfw i was 10 and during dinner my dad would talk about sex
no it would not be good. People develop differently. I fear for your future if this is news to you.
The response to this>>701840188
"it's a rough draft"
I laughed so hard.
If anything it should be a college class on how to be better at sex, when peoples hormones have calmed down. Given std tests are mandatory, Not a class for high school. Hell it'd give hookers/escorts a reason to go to school.
They should test drive this in Amsterdam.
no it's not there are people out there who just have no sexual desire.
From a evolution kind of view these people are just retarded because reproduction is one of our main tribes.
But as a society we have to also include the retarded ones.
Hey I never said I agreed with OP on that sex class, by " the very beggining " I meant that your parents teach you this as well as society
that seems odd to me but sure it could happen. Society could use some more open sexuality anyway
To be fair to his point, we don't withhold medicine from people who need it based on "survival of the fittest." All those permavirgins might be much better acclimated if introduced early. Its circular logic. "We hate creeps and permavirgins but lets not do the thing that would make them less likely to become one." We don't let a kid with type 1 diabetes die because he's at a genetic disadvantage so why not extend that to everyone's sexual development?
You cannot engineer basic human instincts.
I'm not saying the current dating system is good, but your planned Soviet sex-ed will rip many young adults from one of the most cherished moments of their lives.
Not only that, you are forcing this through government regulation. Do you also want government agents to hold our dicks while we take a piss?
I got a hooker to get over my first time. That was only possible because there are women out there who are willing to give their bodies to you for a few hours in exchange for money. For hookers or dating, it's pretty much a supply and demand.
What you propose will remove the supply and demand from the market; and force everybody into unnatural, and mismanaged sexual behavior stereotypes.
So I can say that if any motherfucker came to a position of power with a proposition like yours, I'd fight them with all I got.
Now fuck off to reddit faggot.
this wouldn't be good at all. I'm still scarred from being picked last when getting chosen to play sports. I could just imagine how bad I would feel in sex ed class when the teacher said to pair up and I'm left standing there alone and naked with my little dick sticking out for everyone to laugh at. I think I'd kill myself
Does anyone actually think sex ed is good for anything right now? We pretend like we're going to teach kids about sex but then act all weird when its time to do it. I remember being in class and a kid asked a question about something and the teacher shot him down with a "that's inappropriate/private." Well then what the fuck are we even there for? We tell students what a condom is but not how to properly put one on.
>Society could use some more open sexuality anyway
You can download a program on your phone and summon NSA sex. We're bombarded with ads to make our tits bigger or our dicks harder. Every tv show and movie has a romantic subplot.
It's open as fuck. But we're wired to select partners by certain criteria. If you can't compete in the market place, you're (not) fucked.
The lifelong alpha with a vasectomy and the kissless foreveralone virgin are both genetic dead ends.
haha right wtf, I think OP's fantasy is that the teacher picks the partners and pairs him up with the hot girl in class, then she's basically raped by him because I don't know what else it would be called
Holy shit, you're ass backwards. Cultures that don't treat sex as anything abnormal or stigmatized (and have no age of consent) tend to grow up without a shitload of psychological problems. It's way better to just let people fuck whenever they want and not feel bad about it for absolutely no reason. Pedophilia is still fucking disgusting, but if it's kids having sex with kids, no big deal.
I mean we already have penis inspection day every year. Why not just put this on the back end of it? Less classroom interruption, and the uncircumcised are weeded out from participation
You know what's sad is you just reminded me that when I first came in the military in tech school they re-iterated sex ed and showed us how to put a condom on a banana.
As ridiculous as it sounds that shows how bad the public education system is at teaching it.
like I said in another post, I had sex ed in school, they didn't go very in depth but just scared us about STDs and showed us a boner. Also they did it where boys and girls were in separate classes so you didn't really see both sides.
My parents never mentioned a word about sex to me.
Mandating sex will make it worse, you need to learn how to connect emotionally and pick on signals to move it to sex. A class like this would just give all the oddballs unrealistic expectations.
PS I was a creep in highschool and bought a hooker at 20 and it didn't help at all, I didn't figure out how it worked until I was 21. This will not help acclimate them. Mandatory sex/hookers would slow down the process of learning basic human connection needed to move on with girls.
tldr I basically know from experience.
It's no more government intervention than any other area where there are policies in place. Nobody is managing your sex life. It's just a sex ed class, which already exists. OP is only suggesting expanding the existing curriculum to include hands on experience.
Unfortunately our bodies are subjected to pure biology. Dopamine release decreases with every new partner. So yes, the saying "the first cut is the deepest" is true. We are a horde of chemicals that don't change as fast as society
>Oh seems like we have an odd number of students in the class
>Don't worry anon, you can have sloppy seconds
yeah, op is standing there wearing nothing but his fedora and his socks with a smile on his face and the girl is crying while the teacher tells her she has to fuck him. op, you're an idiot
Your point is invalid of course we wouldn't with hold medicine from a sick person that's inhumane but you can't compare the two one is for survival the others for pleasure. If you offered sex to someone that couldn't get any on there own that shit would destroy there ambition a drive to succeed in the real world further more adding to the stigma that this generation needs everything handed to them.
What societies do your refer to?
I don't know of any that aren't stone age oogaboogas.
The nuclear and extended family is still the best technology we have for creating and preserving wealth and prosperity, and that requires boundaries and pair bonding.
I think OP meant the students would be paired with a teaching assistant or something. It's basically a school-employed hooker with I guess some psychology training or whatever. Sex surrogacy is a real thing.
Are you sure about that?
I always found sex and skin on skin contact kinda icky. I'd be waaay uncomfortable, to say the least, so this particular pointdexter would suddenly have his attendance drop.
There are so many different ways to look at it, I don't know what >>701842785 point was but there are african tribes that fuck each other in the ass and it's like a game to them. Or they mutilate their dicks and pussies for fun.
Or muslims where they fuck little boys just for fun but it's not really sex to them. Or during ramadan where they fuck animals because it's not against islam to fuck an animal in their eyes
>skin on skin contact kinda icky
I'd love to have a girls sweaty body all over me and have our skin stuck together in the heat of passion, rubbing our tongues together and swallowing each other's saliva
>Mandating sex will make it worse, you need to learn how to connect emotionally and pick on signals to move it to sex.
I think OP means that the entire class would be devoted to this kind of thing. Its not just fuck-school. Demystifying the social dance would probably help a lot. Even good looking jocks who get laid all the time have all kinds of fucked up hangups.
>A class like this would just give all the oddballs unrealistic expectations.
Or, again, demystify it. Unrealistic expectations are created when the thing is a mystery. Making sex at least a little mundane and making virginity passé would alleviate a ton of social stress.
Isn't that an argument supporting the idea then? If the "first cuts the deepest" then it makes sense to standardize it. It's like getting your first needle or even potty training.
This thread was created by someone who wants everything done for them, Especially the worthwhile and fun-yet challenging endeavors. (sp?) Here is some advice: quit waiting for the world to do things for you. This is not something that will ever happen, you might be horny, but most people would not discharge their virginity to anyone, especially if ordered to. You are truly pathetic if this is what you want. grow a pair, and go get laid.
People should be allowed to experience sex at their own pace. Just because you are 25 and still havent lost your virginity doesnt mean we are obligated to hold your hand and help you.
>implying marginalizing the first time will do anything besides create addicts
>implying a teenager being subjected to this forcibly will be able to handle the increase in dopamine
>implying this class is will help females
>If you offered sex to someone that couldn't get any on there own that shit would destroy there ambition
This is like saying "if you offered to loan a kid your car to learn to drive that shit would destroy their ambition to eventually buy a car themselves." A sex ed class that introduces the act of sex isn't some kind of government funded perma-partner program.
>driving a car is equal to have sex
No friendo the better analogy would be if you gave your kid money instead of having them earn it, it would destroy their ambition to go out and earn it.
Fucking kek this is literally the stupidest idea I've ever heard on this bored you guys never cease To amaze me on how low it can get all I picture is some fat fuck wearing his favorite anime sweater and Fedora wheezing and sweating all over some poor innocent girl while she's crying and the class just looks on in disgust
I don't think that would be a good idea.
How much sex you do or don't get in highschool can do a lot to shape who you become later in your life. I'll just use my own story as an example: I got zero sex in highschool. I was way too angry and antisocial to get any, so purely out of sexual frustration I forced myself to learn how to be social in college.
I don't think sex is a right, it's a privilege we earn by being better than the competition in some way. You want more sex? You have to work for it. You have to become smarter, wealthier, fitter, or just better in some way. Just giving teens sex, whether they want it or not, takes away some of that struggle. How much effort do young people pour into being good enough for whatever person they have their eye on? More than they would if they all realized how overrated sex is , I think.
Plus it creates a whole host of new problems.
>Oops, failed sex Ed again, looks like I had to take the class one more time! *Unzips*
>And in local news, a young teacher was fired from a local school today for refusing to have sex with a disabled child. Since the new hands on sex education program was put into place, wall students are provided with a sexual partner. The teacher in question refused to have sex with a disabled student, saying that he just couldn't bring himself to have sex with someone so physically unattractive.
Pic related a stable family life is a core component of a functioning society a better solution would be to legalize prostitution for people who are incapable of finding a mate through normal socialisation.
>why make it a government mandate
Everyone keeps focusing on this part but imagine back before sex ed was even a thing. "Teach sex in our schools?! Get that commie shit out of here!"
Sex ed currently sucks. Would it be better to make it useful for something?
That's fucking retarded.
Let's all hold hands and get our first job at the same time. Let's all make the same money too and live in little box houses side by side with the same rent. Let's all drive the same cars and everyone gets an A for effort in all their endeavors.
Shut your communist mouth faggot.
Looks like somebody is typing with one hand.
I could do without the insults, but this is kind of my view on it. Some parts of life are better as a competition. I believe in a level playing field, but that doesn't mean you take everyone by the hand and walk them all to first base together.
>Daughter comes home from school
>Goes straight to room, was obviously crying
Sweetie what's wrong?
>I don't want to talk about it
>I never want to go back to that school again, I can't
What happened? please tell me
>well, there's a new teacher and a new class at the school
>They...they... paired us up into groups of two
>The new teacher put me with the smelliest fat kid in the class. and..
Sometimes you have to work with people you don't necessarily like, that's life
>No dad, they...they made us have sex while the teacher watched
WHAT THE FUCK, I'M GOING TO KILL THAT FUCKING PRINCIPAL
>dad..dad stop, you can't do anything about it
What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone involved in that shit is fucking dead, they raped my daughter
>Dad...it doesn't matter what you do, every school in the country has this class now..It was Obama's last executive order in office
We have this in Australia - it's called the "safe schools" program. It was sold to the public as an anti bullying agenda, but it was created by a communist and a pedophile to hyper sexual is children and destroy the nuclear family unit. Google it.
Another big problem there. Kids just aren't going to want to fuck some random kid they don't know or like. Plus in the middle day, saying you are attracts dot someone is sexist, so there's that.
>"Billy, why aren't you plowing Sarah?"
>"Because she's 54, 300 lbs, and has more grease on her face than a pizza!"
>"Lilly, you need to take off your clothes for Jared."
>"No way! His cock looks like an overcooked breakfast sausage, his fat rolls have fat rolls, and I just fucking met him two minutes ago!"
>Sex is probably more stressful to someone who gets thrown to the wolves and told to fly on their own
>Sex is probably more stressful
>Sex is probably
Virgin alert. Jeepers, I can't imagine why you of all people yearns for a compulsory virginity-losing program.
Sure, losing your virginity is a little stressful, but it's also exhilarating, and it's a learning experience in its own right (hint: formal schooling isn't the only way to learn), and there's no way some sort of regimented, mass education program would improve upon blundering through your early years of having sex.
Think about how shitty and impersonal public schooling is, and now think about how a system like that would approach one of the most intimate, idiosyncratic aspects of people. You'd have to be literally retarded (or a desperate kissless virgin) to honestly think a system like the one you're proposing would be beneficial.
>been looking forward to sex day since i was 9
>dress in my silkest kimono
>waddle into class
>got their first
>everybody walks in
>aww yeah melissa
>begged the teacher all year to pair me with melissa
>teacher looked at me and winked
>well today is sex day and i have made your groups randomly
>come on, come on
>first up is anon and....
>look over at Denise
>oh well its sex day
>she lies down
>im so excite
>whip out dick
>about to put it in
>best thing ever
>open my eyes
>i didnt even get it in before i came
>whole class stifling laughter
>i run out of class and buy all the mt. Dew out of the vending machine
>fucking sex day
I have been trying to remember this fucking retard's name since I left high school, but we had a guy that actually did wear a fucking kimono shirt all the time. Weirdest part is he actually was pretty social and people liked him for some reason
>Intruding school into intimate moments
I was trying to think of the best way to approach this, but you probably said it well enough.
Your first time can be scary, nerve wracking, embarrassing, and painful, but it's also usually one of the most into.ate things you do in your entire lives. Can you image that moment if it was taking place in a school, next to dozens of other couples doing the same thing? It takes a moment so purely, beautifully, hideously intimate, and fundamentally alters it.
I can't tell if this is satire or just the delusions of an average /b/- and/or /pol/-tard
Chris chan and like minded cucks general
>ITT OP is a 22 year old virgin
The retarded shit you people come up with. Of course it won't work. Maybe if you weren't so unpleasant a girl would have let you hit it and you wouldn't be developing these weird classroom orgy fantasies and posting them to /b/ and acting like it's not just you showing the world your sad fantasies.
I don't think it should be a forced thing, but I do think there shouldn't be so much taboo surrounding younger people who are curious about sex and would like to explore it with someone more experienced. I wish I could spend a week just learning how to be a good lover with somebody, I'm a virgin and I feel just a bit nervous about getting tossed into bed the first time not knowing what the fuck is going on.
Maybe there should be "schools" where vetted experienced people of varying ages teach younger less-experienced people how shit works. I'd be alright with the ages starting at 14. Sexual, but less retarded than a 12 year old.
I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if the elder generation taught the younger generation about sex when we were cavemen. And even if they didn't, the kids would watch the elders going at it and learn from that. They also would have been freely able to experiment with each other.
I think modern society has taken a lot of steps back, sexually.
This is a move on the wrong direction.
I like fucking just as much as the next dude but sometimes you have to put your desires aside for the greater good. We would be best off growing babies in a lab and ceasing sexual relations altogether.
No more retards. No more stds. No more murders committed by victims of infidelity.
I can just see this opening up the opportunity for the niceguy that doesn't get a partner on sex day to complain about discrimination.
Like people would be able to sue or whatever because girls WOULDN'T fuck them.
Doesn't seem like a good idea because the first time you have sex it's highly emotional. I think a better solution would be to get rid of all of the absolute garbage parents that tell their children that sex is bad. Ship them all to an island and nuke it.
I said I "wouldn't be surprised."
And fuck, do you really think when cavemommy and cavedaddy were fucking they told cavetimmy to go away and hide behind the big rock so he wouldn't see?
there was an African tribe that anthropologists studied once that spoke of how parents informed their lids of what to expect and helped them to get over their pubescent years.
After more study, anthropologists learned that those tribesman were just lying about how they wished they were better parents. No teenager, in any culture wants to learn about sex from their parents.
You know what's a great way to be introduced to sex? High school. You see the same people every day, until the day where you never see or hear from them again. The end of high school is a massice reset button that most people don't take enough deliberate advantage of. (probably because they delude themselves into thinking they'll stay in touch.)
>19 January 2030
>COURT ORDERS 13 YEAR OLD GIRL TO HAVE SEX WITH BOY IN HER CLASS THAT SHE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ON SEX DAY BY NOT FUCKING HIM
>SCHOOL ORDERED TO PAY $1.3 BILLION FOR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE CAUSED TO THE MALE STUDENT
>picture of niceguy student with shit eating grin on his face
It's unlikely anything was "taught" 100,000 years ago. People seem to forget this a lot, but we're animals and as a consequence, our main purpose is reproduction. Fucking as often as possible to have as many children as possible. So it's likely that once men and women started puberty, they just started having sex.
I never mentioned cave orgies, faggot. And considering even kids today will peep on their parents fucking, are you really being serious? Does literally anyone else believe that old humans who hunted and gathered would make an effort not to teach their kids about sex until they thought they were "ready"?
Do you see this happening in any of the great apes today, at all? Or hell, any primate whatsoever? Any other living creature?
>having no idea what they're doing
Eh, I don't know. We see elder animals teaching younger ones all the time, or at least the young watching and learning. Young deer watch parent deer check the road before crossing. Young monkeys learn to crack coconuts by watching older monkeys. There was a study showing knowledge could be passed down through generations with crows.
Maybe it's not intentional teaching but the young do learn from the old in most things, it seems weird to me that sex is the one exception we make.
You make some good points, and there are many you haven't yet. The fact is arranged marriage, which intended to provide the kind of education you propose, was handled by, usually, the loving parents.
I find it far preferable to the current western system, designed to make loss of virginity an illegal act (most lose it underage) and to make sex taboo and dirty, increasing propensity to perversion.
This would also be highly preferable to giving that authority to the state, and the horror that would bring.
This change from arranged marriage was neither accident, nor organic. It was induced by the powerful, for their benefit.
They still arrange marriages, after all.
There's actually a fair amount of agreement that within most tribal societies sex was much more commonly done in the open that is done in the modern day. Because everyone lived in one room dwellings with his families, hiding sex was inconvenient and pointless.
Even observers in the modern day that watch the aboriginal and south American tribes that don't have contact with the outside world see that these people treat sex much more openly.
Yes, but I think those things are probably observed when the offspring are still really young, whereas sex usually doesn't happen until animals develop much higher mental maturity.
Same thing here. At least not in a regular class. Perhaps if there were "schools" available but of course not mandatory, that allowed people to learn about sex freely if they so chose.
Though I dont think we need it.
As someone whose first sexual experience was fucking his twin sister in her bed at 12 years old and then praying every night that she didnt get pregnant or that we got AIDS (yeah, we thought sex actually caused AIDS because fucking education) and then figuring out ways to get off with each other without actual intercourse, I have to say that doing it with a competent adult for the first time would have probably gone a lot smoother.
There is but there's also the unrealistic porn, or the porn that is emulating rape/other abuse. Not sure letting a kid learn solely from what he chooses to watch of porn and how he interprets that is gonna be good.
>implying peeking in on parents is even the same thing you mentioned in your first post
Seriously dude you need a reality check. Of course kids peeked, but that isnt what you meant when you said they would be free to experiment.
He was probably confident as fuck.
I wore some weird shit, dressed like the goth, but I fit in with every other social circle because I made the effort to.
Kids aren't picky, just wash your ass and act like you own the place.
Age of consent laws purposefully stigmatize sexual acts committed at appropriate ages, as does much else, and subtly.
Porn is stigma because our earliest sex experiences were crimes, almost universally, and we cannot change our association between sex and dirty perversion, at least not easily, and less so in the sjw world.
Kids also try to experiment today. They just get punished for it/put on a sex offender list/sent to a psychologist.
Also where in the hell did I ever say in my first post that I'm an anthropologist/believe this to be true 100%? I was speculating. My main point was that I'm sure today's society has a lot more hang ups than old society used to.
And I think adults teaching young teens and up if they want to be taught would not be a bad thing.
Eeeh. I don't think that would have been the "norm" though, I think that would have solely depended on how annoying the kid was being. I don't see any animals at all in the world right now that try to shoo the kids off if they want to fuck, no matter how intelligent.
then their kids will just be worse.
this is what's happening now. the beta fags around now should never even have been born. their fathers have been coddled and allowed to mate when they should have been edged out of a normal funcitoning society .
Horseshit. Most people have sex before majority, no matter which AOC you choose.
The mindset you exhibit is exactly the purpose of making sex a taboo. This is done on purpose, and you are a useful idiot.
Generally a good idea, but it would create that awkward situation everyone has experienced before.
Remember in physical education whwere everybody is supposed to find a partner and play tennis, but there is an odd number of kids in class and one guy has to play with the teacher.
Imagine that , but with buttsex.
That would be weird. A hairy, 45 year old man fucking a teenager in the ass in front of the class while explaining what he is doing and why.
Parents do that now. You are projecting you own childhood onto others. And you still cant prove the old society had less hang ups than now when the old society is what our new society comes from. Thats retarded. If you mean early hominids, than i guess so but they also raped alot more than we do. So if thats what you want
every individual from the time they are ten - are assigned a caretaker / teacher of the same sex as the individual - the teacher is about 20 to 30 years of age - backgroundchecked, monitored and trained
teacher teaches all subjects for the individual from grade school to high school - all subjects including educational, social skills and sexuality (including showing them sex but not having sex with them)
teacher is seperated after the individual student turns 18 - from then on, the student continues with their education or career on their own and will always have contact with their teacher for guidance
I never peeped on my parents or experimented with other kids. Or had my parents teach me about sex. Not projecting.
And North America is where all the puritans went too, and we're a lot stricter about sex than Europe is. Cultures change. You're right I can't prove it, but you can't prove the opposite, and like I said I'm just fucking speculating.
>isnt porn the same as the elders teaching the young how to have sex
Porn is unrealistic
>there is some artistic porn
Sure but their is also porn that emmulates rape
>implying elders in cave cultures wouldnt have raped
Remember the shame and feeling of rejection when nobody wanted to chose you for their team on PE and in the end somebody HAD to take you and the whole team was like oh fuck no...?
Maybe if in the class there was the same number of boys as girls and at the start of the year, beginning of class, each boy would find a girl that they find attractive and they would spend time getting to know eachother before they have sex, everything before the actual sex part of the class would be getting to know your partner and develop feelings for them. As many other anons have said it's pointless to just bang someone you don't feel for, then it's just awkward.
So dolphins show their kids how to have sex? Other animals do as well?
Listen the whole hangup here isnt how to have sex, this is hardwired in every biological animal. We know how to have sex, everyone in this thread is more concerned about performing the act for pleasure well, not performing the act for reproduction
I think it makes sense. Especially with what >>701839509 said about licensed sex instructors. Obviously, there'd have to be a lot of proper calculation about which age to conduct the class and even then there'd be certain kids who aren't physically developed for it. It's certainly better than learning it from porn.
But then again, sex (much like walking and eating) are the primary biological habits that aren't taught by external aspects (that's forcefully taught, as in tutored) but rather nurtured by external factors, enriched, improved.
yeah then those kids will end up with someone similar, it's kind of first come first serve I guess, and i'm sure everyone will lower their standards to some degree as they have to pick a partner.
OP; what the fuck is this beta shit?
It's survival of the fittest. Most of us are already fucking retarded. do you want all the misfits to get their fucking dicks wet? Do you want your mom to hold your hand at the same time?
>I lost my virginity at 24
>fuck this thread
They do get to watch at least.
The difference is sex is stigmatized in our society, and we need to deal with our unique birth control issues/STD issues.
But that does make me think, perhaps if we stopped giving as much of a shit and let people fuck then no one would ever considering specifically teaching kids anything!
They do get to watch at least.
The difference is sex is stigmatized in our society, and we need to deal with our unique birth control issues/STD issues.
But that does make me think, perhaps if we stopped giving as much of a shit and let people fuck then no one would ever considering specifically teaching anything!
But I'm not "attacking the problem"
The only thing I'm saying is
- Sex is too stigmatized today and I feel we've gone backwards
- We should allow the old to teach the young if they young want to be taught
Not forcing anything on anybody, not attacking anything, I'm just for more options.
Its embarassing as shit to think about now but
>parents gone for the day, late saturday morning both still in pajamas
>me and sister on couch watching Angela Anaconda
>Make stupid comment that Angela is "fuckable" (I was retarded)
>Sister laughs and use it as awkward as fuck opening because for some reason dick is hard now
>"Anyone ever call you fuckable?" (retarded but I was twelve)
>"No thats not a word"
>"Would you like to be called it tho?"
>Both trying to play it cool and watch Angela Anaconda like we didn't just flirt
>Want to go fap but retarded me thinks going to the bathroom would mean sister will know i was going to fap
>"You never had sex" she says "so dont say fuckable like you know."
>Options here. Not sure what do. Make it about her?
>"You never had sex either."
>Follow up. Try to be nonchalant and cool. "If you took your pajamas off I could tell if you'd be fuckable." (Fucking retarded me)
>Play it off? Like i'm not horny right now?
>"I just could judge better thats all. If you want to know."
>Sister stands up and pulls her pajama shirt back to tighten it around her body.
>HOLY SHIT SHE WANTS ME TO JUDGE HER BODY
>uh...what say? "Hm. I don't know. I cant tell with you wearing stuff."
>SHE TAKES OFF HER FUCKING SHIRT
>BARELY ANY TITS BUT SISTER IS TOPLESS TWO FEET FROM MY FACE
>play it cool "you look good."
>I'm a gambling man
>"If you took the rest off I can judge all of you"
>She says "not here"
>Go to her room
>SISTER TAKES OFF EVERYTHING
>I get courage now.
>"Want to try having sex?"
>"I guess so"
>Lock door just in case
>Rock hard dick
>Weird awkward sex
>Kiss and feels weird but think thats what has to happen during sex
>Tell her "your beautiful" because retarded me thinks thats also what has to happen during sex
>Take showers and wash sheets because paranoid parents will find out
>later on talk about what risks are
>Oh god what if shes pregnant and what if AIDS?
They are almost wholly culturally programmed. That's WHY arranged marriage has been ended, and AOC laws put in place that create a stigma, making loss of virginity, and age appropriate sex, criminal. The US now has more sex offenders in their jails and on probation than any other country has ever jailed for all crimes in toto, in the history of our species.
There's reason for this, and rich men's jollies is it.
Sex is not stigmatized in todays society. It is only stigmatized by shitty parents. That is my point of your projection, you are applying your upbringing and applying it to society as a whole. Just because you were raised this way, doesnt mean all of society was.
Sex is a goddamn instinct. Bugs know how to have sex and their brain is the size of a bread crumb. Animals know how to have sex, it isnt something that needs to be taught. Your problem is you are confusing having sex with performing sex for pleasure. Not everyone knows how to have sex for pleasure, but that is not something that needs to be taught by society but your parents or partners.
i've always wondered who was more creepier - the people who actually do stuff with kids or the people who always imagine what might happen when you put an adult and child together
ever look at the average parent? i'll take the example of some friends of mine who have kids - they both work - on average they spend about half a rushed hour every morning with their kids, then 2 tired hours in the evening - they commute everywhere - meanwhile their kids spend 70 % of their time with other dysfunctional kids, 20% with teachers and 10% with their parents
or else it is like the example of my other friends - they are fucked up idiots with kids and they let them do whatever they want (like play call of duty from the time they were 6 for ten hours a day)
yeah right - friends make great sex counsellors - right - lets ask advice on an important life issue with another individual who has equally as little information as me
>implying sexual laws benefit the rich
How? Also most rich guys are sex offenders, wouldnt they just make it legal or are you saying they get off on the taboo and that is why they keep it illegal because if it wasnt legal they would have the risk angle to the sex which seems really retarded because if you controlled the laws why wouldnt you minimize the risk and ensure your fetish could never make you spend a time in prison?
>Spend entire week worried
>Awkward family dinners
>"Why so quiet, son?"
>"Not eating your meatloaf?"
>Weeks go by and seems safe, not pregnant, dick didn't fall off from disease
>Sitting in sisters room
>"Can't ever do that again."
>"Could maybe do other stuff with no risk?"
>Trying to think of other stuff because i'm retarded 12 year old.
>Wind up getting bjs, handjobs, footjobs, literally everything that she could do to my dick other than anal
>Eat her out a lot.
>Becomes routine when left alone
>Turn 13 and things suddenly change
>Tits get nicer
>Really want to fuck again
>"Just one more time then thats it."
>Sister starts getting chilly about whole thing
>"This is weird and we have to stop"
>"No more, anon."
>Never talked about it again since.
stop tripping, faggot. everyone peeks, everyone already experimented as a kid. that's perfectly natural. i think by now it's even too limited. i'ts such a stigmatized matter since there are too many scared moralfag parents. the whole primate/tribe shit is the best way to see how it's done originally and therefore naturally. don't hide shit from your kids and make a big secret out of normal things. the only thing that matters to them are their own experiences anyway. don't mess with that. educate them, give them trust, offer your support, let them be. period.
>If sex ed were expanded to include everyone losing their virginity in a structured, safe environment.
That's retarded. Not a save it for marriage guy but your first time should be with someone you actually care about instead of the landwhale nobody likes because you were unlucky enough to draw that bitch's straw.
What happened after? How is your relationship today?
My sister and I did some kind of weird shit (never fucking or anything really sexual) but we looked at each other naked and shit when we were super young. Basically like playing "doctor"
We're not very close years later, I don't know if it has anything to do with that or even if she remembers it
First of all, people under 18 shouldn't be having sex as their brain is not yet developed. It could have negative consequences that don't necessarily correlate with social environment though further research is needed in this field. There are articles talking about teen sex having negative impacts on empathy and mental health.
Second, what do you need training for if it's an instinct? And every person is different, it takes time getting used to if you want to get the most out of it. You can't learn that unless you do it with that specific person. Also, there's a lot of general information about sex available everywhere. Sex is far too intimate to be trained. It should be between two people who feel a connection with each other otherwise it'll feel like a rape.
Also, are you a virgin?
>Most people have sex before majority, no matter which AOC you choose.
I think the average age of virginity loss is 17, which is right around most age of consent laws which range from 16-18.
your defeatist attitude made me laugh
don't worry, when you reach 30, you will become a wizard with incredible powers
Okay faggot I never said I was slaying pussy left and right in fact I was a fat ugly kid when I first had sex still am the only reason I ever got to have sex was because I knew how to present my self to the opposite sex it's not something that someone can teach you I had to learn that shit and I am forever changed for the things I learned on my own
i said educate. just don't make them afraid of asking whatever there curious for and then give them plain information as an experienced adult. as said, it's about their own experiences anyway. and of course that's something you can't teach.
>Sex is not stigmatized in todays society.
It's not that its stigmatized, it's that its unbalanced. Everything is to both extremes. You get either "DONT EVER HAVE SEX" from the evangelical nutjobs or the "HAVE SEX ALL THE TIME AND MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT SEX" from the leftist feminazis. Both situations send terrible messages. Sex becomes an issue because everyone wants to make it an issue.
individual differences prevent that, unless u r talkin bout "the same age" being 18+. Also religious nuts and general idiots r gonna be "saving themselves for marriage" or some retardation like that, so its gonna be rape or molestation anyway
This is not something, like many things, that schools or government should have a 'hand' in.
But, speaking as someone who has fucked hundreds of women and girls, the present competitive system is barbaric, and does create negative psychological affects, even trauma, on almost everyone who endures it.
It's designed to create specific psychological states in women, hypersexualising the pretty ones, turn the ugly ones into lesbians, and reserve sexy women for the rich.
It largely does this successfully. No more pretty peasant girls being married off to nice boys their parents picked, before Lord Fuckemyung could buy her, or rape her.
>its not that its stigmatized
If you are the same anon who said this
You are all over the place and your opinions are becoming more null as the time passes.
Relationship is fine but we don't speak of that period of time. I don't think it would go over too well if I brought it up but a small part of me does think it might be fun to see if she'd have sex with me again.
I had amazing parents, so i didnt have that problem. Also sex is simple
>get throbbing boner
>girl gets wet vagina
>hmm wonder what i should do
Jesus, seriously what information is needed? If you have questions anon, ill answer them for you right now.
In a sane world, yes. People are way too fucking uptight about sex. That includes parents and the teens themselves because of how they were raised. This is really only true in America as well. Look at the average age people lose their virginity in other countries where religion doesn't dominate society.
Society would be much healthier if people were more open sexually.
No thanks, I'd rather have my first time with someone I actually have feelings for
OP's idea might sound crazy at first, but you could expand on it if in this fictional world, prostitution were also legalized. Sex workers could be brought in to "teach" the students, and nothing says it has to be the full experience, give the teens an option as for what they would like their first experience to be like. This is actually a practice that could have long term benefits for them in the long run. I think it's not so much a problem for the more well adjusted students, but if we are talking about students who deal with social anxiety or who are really struggling emotionally with being a teen, this would have major benefits.
>Dress like Marilyn Manson
>Randomly sit down at the popular kids table
>Act like I fucking own the place
>They didn't outright tell me to leave
>They must love me
>Repeat with every social group
>Definitely wasn't made fun of behind my back
>It's not like they were all too polite to tell me to fuck off
There's probably an age that does scientifically correspond to "adulthood." Puberty is one but also a fully developed brain is another. You're talking ages like 13 and 25 that have some rational relationship to human physiology. 18 was picked out of a hat. It corresponds to nothing.
whores dont know shit - thats why they r whores, not teachers.
Dont vote for government that spends public money on whores for kids.
Getting the wrong whore
Who u gonna hire for the girls?
But I didn't though. If I want pleasure I can just fucking masturbate to some easily accessible internet porn. Sex is about intimacy, not about getting my dick wet with some random slut I don't care about.
>Dont vote for government that spends public money on whores for kids.
>government that spends public money on whores for kids.
>public money on whores for kids.
>whores for kids.
If loving rents teach their kids like they should, and mostly always have, the kids aren't clueless.
12 year olds dying in pregnancy has always been an evolutionary force in our species. It's one of the things that made you what you are.
>teen pregnancy rates sky high
I know evidemce is scary for people like you, but the pregnancy rate for teens is at historic lows and it continues to drop. Quit projecting your shitty upbringing onto society
First off, these wouldn't be kids, they would be teenagers, there's a difference.
Second, you're thinking about it in the way we have it now, where sex workers operate in the black market underground. It's different when it is a legitimate business, girls are hired into it, not forced into it. They can be trained, they can be required to undergo regular testing, these will be professionals, not just random women forced into it for one reason or another.
parents r idiots. The majority is the pregnant teens. Ive got a teen mom living in by apartment block. Pathology from top to bottom of the genealogical tree. Ive had teen moms in highschool - 1 a fluke and another on purpose right after the final bell.
Sex is about love not just pleasure
Get out of my board you fucking normalfag reeeee
We have only recently been imprisoned in schools so we could learn how to enrich our masters. Our having sex and kids decreased our work output, and our masters' profits, so the AOC was created.
Now we are much more profitable.
That's a romanticized view of sex, love and sex aren't the same thing. Sex is a part of a healthy existence for the vast majority of well adjusted humans. Not everyone can just magically find someone who loves them who they love in return, but you still need sex. Ask anyone who is sexually active, it is something your body desires. You're right, you could just masterbate, but that pales to actually having sex.
Again, if we were less repressed, we would be a healthier society, but as it stands, we are being held back because we view desiring sex as something to be ashamed of
A few nations used to do that historically. I volunteer for the position of government appointed virginity taker for teenage girls.
even if i agree, its not cuz parents told them how it works
theres no difference, or the difference makes it worse - hormone-raging kids trying to fuck all the whores
>you're thinking about it in the way we have it now, where sex workers operate in the black market underground
Dont vote for government that spends public money on whores for kids.
sex is about stress relief, procreation, tightening the relationship, health and status. Not "love", u fuckin normie.
No, for numerous reasons. Parents would opt their kids out or sue the schools, people don't want to be herded into a room specifically to compulsively fuck each other, in fact the only people who would listen to this measure, are the people who would already be fucking at the party scheduled for that Friday night, and if you're having trouble finding a partner already, what makes you think you wouldn't get stuck with Dave the retard?
Too much that could go wrong, and no foreseeable benefit, other than OP finally getting his nut.
I don't view sex as something to be ashamed of, I just want to have my first time with someone I love holy shit for someone claiming everyone else is repressed you sure are judgemental about other people's choices
You mean like assign children into pairs and make them go at it, yea that could not have some long lasting traumatic effect..
Imagine the person who got stuck with the fat kid in class who always smells like bacon.
>implying normalfags don't constantly have casual sex
>implying virgins are normies
>implying you can tighten a relationship with sex if you don't even have feelings for your partner in the first place
>implying the health benefits of sex can't be achieved with masturbation and regular exercise
>implying sex as a status symbol isn't the epitome of normalfagness
Sorry Chad, I'm not falling for your tricks, I'd rather stay an autistic virgin than waste my first time with some Stacy with no personality
Its a form of population control that we've stemmed with our technology and medicine. It's amazing how many people will jump to the "survival of the fittest" argument when someone suggests something they don't like despite every single human advancement being designed specifically to kick natural selection in the face. Indoor plumbing? Go shit in the woods and wipe with leaves. Survival of the fittest! Heating? Go gather food and risk freezing to death in the winter. Survival of the fittest!