WHAT IS HAPPENING? guys
>An international team of scientists from the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) are investigating mysterious signal spikes emitting from a 65 billion year-old star in the constellation Hercules–95 light years away from Earth. The implications are extraordinary and point to the possibility of a civilization far more advanced than our own.
>65 billion year-old star
>65 billion year-old
The universe is 13 billion years old. What is this shit, some kind of Onion News?
it's actually 6.3 billion years, the other author probably ejaculated at the thought of aliens and fucked up the number mid-orgasm
The author is a retard. If this author succeeded in anything in his life, it's writing a terrible story and thus discrediting it.
Prove to me that including quotes from sci-fi authors in your fucking article about some kind of scientific discovery isn't going to get people to ignore that entire event for the rest of their lives. Prove it.
This kind of thing is happening monthly now, there are blips too big and signals too unatural, or unexplainable.
But heres the thing, ever try to mathmaticaly prove that someone left the tv on in your room 100 years ago, using light?
Cause thats way easier then processing all this fucking data, you couldnt even COMPREFUCKINGHEND the amount of data there is. Countless alien signals just sitting on file and in data bases.
Even if we prove "hey, the only thing in the universe that this could be is aliens and everyone agrees forever" then what?
95 lightyears away, and old. Nevermind the typo in age, but its still old and far away. AND EVEN THEN i bet there would still be people who try and say its god or something else.
I love science but I fucking hate reading science news on news-websites. There are always errors like this or even worse - huge oversimplifications. And science articles almost always end with some idiotic pun.
>If the signal were sent by an isotropic beacon
>Type II civilization
If they were a type II civilization and could harness the entire energy of their sun, they wouldn't be broadcasting beacons in all directions randomly. The fact that we're not even type I and we heard the beacon means that a type II civilization that close to us would already know exactly where we are. It was probably a directed beacon from a type I civilization
>The universe is a 100 billion light years in diameter. Yes it has been expanded faster than the speed of light due to stretch in the time / space fabric of the universe
Lol, imagine the big bang isn't over somewhere else..
>Get what they deserve
Shut the fuck up you edgy little faggot. What exactly do we deserve? We went from literally nothing to where we are now. Imagine everything we're capable of these days. Yet your wannabe pseudo intellectual bitch ass thinks aliens should come and scorch the earth? Look at yourself in the mirror. Look long and hard. Realize just how much of a disappointment you are to yourself, your family and your country. Fucking idiot
>we went from nothing to where we are now
Yeah by destroying beautiful areas, extracting all the minerals while killing the inhabitants (sending 905 of them extinct) and likely to destroy the earth entirely.
>Because only humans are the only being ever to commit mistakes.
>No species aside from humans has EVER brought another species to extinction before
>Humans can't POSSIBLY change for the better in due time
Fuck your dubs faggot
The message reads:
You're exaggerating. But yeah there's a huge issue with interpreting it in the first place. We can find out the source and what kind of signal it is and determine whether it's natural or not. The better we get at tracking exoplanets and finding out more about them I think the more we will learn about what's at these really distant parts of the universe.
>what do you mean? :3
>Im just pointing out your ignorance ewe
Are you fucking kidding me? The universe is 13 billion years old, expansion doesn't change that. :3 You don't understand the theory. :3
It's obvious that the people pushing this have no idea the scale of space.
That signal source is so far away that any reply we got back, assuming we could muster the hardware and power to do the job, would be for our grandchildren.
No other species has ever brought about a global mass extinction as a direct result of their actions. There have been mass extinctions in tge past brought on by global catastrophes that just happened because of nature or space, but we are actively fucking this planet over and nobody seems to care
If aliens were monitoring us I'm sure we would be classified as a hostile parasite as a species. Wars, killing babies, using no renewable resources, oligarchy, polluting our planet. Space junk alone is a red flag. We would be flagged for avoidance.
>Go on warp-drive equipped ship to Epsilon Eridani because sick-ass name and maybe aliums are there
>Get there, little blue and green planet, just like Earth (Yellow star, green plants, makes sense)
>Aliens are putting up satellites
>Aliens are throwing a party. Tiny green drunk men everywhere
>Aliens are fucking in the streets
>Everyone is enjoying themselves
>Ask about where the aliens get their metal
>"We dig it from the ground, human!"
>They don't get their metal from environmentally friendly asteroids
>They use coal power
>They're only just now starting to pack up the war machines
>Using nuclear weapons in an atmosphere
>Our autism is triggered
>Summon a herd of Rain-kin to rain on their parades
>Orbitally dropping landwhales into their cities as renewable KKVs
>The aliens are extict
>We did a good thing by extincting the evil aliens
>tfw you're a type one civilization
Astronomy is filled with beliefs about as supported as religion, in many ways, despite the mockery and sceptisicm the scienttific community holds towards religious claims.
>we don't have proof alien life exists, but the universe is so large it simply has to!
Not much different from a religious person saying "well something had to set off the Big Bang/create the initial matter for the creation of the universe, and that something could be a god!" A claim made without any evidence or way to support it beyond baseless speculation.
But they haven't. Animals may be dicks in their own way to certain other animals, but they aren't dicks on a global scale. Research shown that certain groups of apes have entered the stone age in terms of technology and intelligence, but they have a very long way to go to get to our level. Let's hope if they ever do then they learn from our mistakes and don't ruin thd planet so hard
>could be something
>might be nothing
>seti isn't exactly the most advanced or competent organization, volunteer
>good thing it is being double checked
>could be a legit signal
>more likely some natural phenomenon, as space is filled with all kinds of varying radio sources
No. There is a difference between something just making sense, (like a creator), because there is no other explanation,
It is virtually statistically impossible that we are the only intelligent life in the universe because of sheer size, age, amount of galaxies etc.
It isn't the same, you're an idiot.
Human life and experience is a tautology. The only way you can ask: "why are we?" is when you are. Fine-Tuning argument is bunk. Plus you only cited one straw-manned flaw in astronomical literature. Please tell us about all the dogmatic beliefs astronomers hold.
Just calculated with this site, it's a 7 on the rio scale...
life will never meet, the universe is constantly expanding at the speed of light, galaxies get further and further away.
in order to compensate this we need to able to travel faster than light which will never happen and even if it did the flight would take millions of years
yeah, I know that actually happened, which I why I said they have mistakes in the past. Granted, that kind of stuff happens, and the seti microwave thing wasn't the first organization to make this kind of error.
But, who knows, this is why we have other organizations check and confirm or disprove.
I understand that. What I'm saying is animals "can't be dicks on a global level" because they can't. If they COULD, it is likely they would is all I'm saying. Not by choice but because they didn't know better. Just as humans did.
>life will never meet
Agree, as per the current state of our understanding of physics. That isn't to say we may eventually discover other portions of physics that we are currently unaware of. Many people feel QM is going to answer a lot of those questions.
You can travel to anything within your visible sphere without going faster than light. Itll take you many billions of years. But its possible. Anything beyond your visual sphere would be impossible even at light speed.
Earth will be fine. Only we and maybe some other species will go extinct but the Earth will survive. It'll just have another ice age cycle.
>MSN news article
>he found it on the MSN homepage
Humans can mathematically never *ever* leave the local galactic cluster or some shit.
Basically the only galaxy that is bound to the milky way by gravity is the Andromeda galaxy. All others would require more time to travel between than there will ever exist within the universe.
Dark energy or some shit is what makes the space inflate in-between celestial bodies.
Are you fucking kidding me? Your immediate assumption is that the entirety of humanity would be judged by superior beings to be parasites based off of the shit that we do. Would it even be of any concern what we do to each other during the development of our societies?
For fuck's sake I'm really sick of this perspective people have. No assumptions, you don't know.
I'm both of those things /b/ro. I kinda thought they went hand in hand. Who doesn't love taking acid and learning about science and shit?
Except I do think that anyone who can rationalise any sci-fi hypothesis they have with 'vibes' should not be listened to.
One possibility has always been generational ships. Although this would have to be extremely modular and massive. Essentially an artificial meteor that generations of people live on and call their home. There needs to be the possibility of retrieving some kind of fuel if not reliance on solar power. It is theoretically possible, it would just be impossibly expensive to do anytime soon.
Being able to explore your galaxy is pretty cool
I hope when they come, they demand to see the leaders of this planet. That's when the white race steps up. And then the aliens will exacerbate all of them into oblivion.
You don't really understand relativity, do you ?
Big bang (even though it is still happening), wouldnt "happen again" somewhere else because of time dilation. The only thing you could do is being able to watch the original happening of the big band if you could right now teleport to a point located 13 billions light years away from the center of the universe and if you had a telescope good enough to see that far.
Well for starters we know next to nothing about dark energy or dark matter. Who know if the very same thing that keeps us apart now will eventually help us to break the boundaries.
Nawww anon I mean, even with an infinite amount of ships and resources, leaving the local group is impossible because of the expansion of space.
We will never ever leave our little cloud of two galaxies. The empty space in between ours and the next is expanding too quickly. Even with lightspeed travel it would be impossible.
you do know they will look nothing like us, right? they could have evolved from some weird amalgamation of bismuth, if they exist. your patently racist mindset hopefully won't persist into a galactic civilization.
I'm not the other faggot, nor am I a hippy shithead.
But you're a fucking retard for thinking because we own the earth (which is the first thing to argue but let's assume it) we should be destroying it. We should actually be taking care of it, since we're the only specie to actually comprehend how it works.
whats up you extra terrestrial fucks
Indeed, anon; I agree. We do not truly know this stuff. We could be overlooking some huge key to something that would blow the lid off everything we know, but until that day, we are bound to what we have.
At this point, all we know about Dark energy and Dark matter is that they must exist to fill the hole that we can't otherwise explain, so there's definitely a lot to learn.
Trips for trips.. I like it.
Although I have been thinking I need to stop doing so much acid lately. I've been doing it every few weeks for about 4 years now and I have taken some insanely heavy doses. A few months ago i thought I'd finally done it. Took far too much in one go. Long story short, after that night, I highly value what sanity I have left lol.
I for one hope they vaporize me first. I can't wait for that instant, painless death.
The radio telescope belongs to Russia. There was one blip that occurred in May 2015, Russians waited over a year to disclose it.. SETI is not impressed, said it was likely interference, maybe even from Earth.
in a discussion about a very faint possibillity of alien life, you bring up the unfounded superstition of "god"?
We would perceive light speed as teleportation though.
Photons travel at the speed of C (causality) because they have no mass. No mass = no friction. C sets the speed of light; based on the law that no action can happen without two particles interacting.
I ain't saying you're wrong because I'd love to teleport to another galaxy and fuck some alien babes, but you'd have to hack reality pretty hard to get around some of the problems we face today. It's been a long time since I did physics, so forgive me if I'm chatting shit, but I think teleportation would require a reduction in entropy or something. Same reason white holes and wormholes are a bit of a funny one.
Although; some atoms have been shown to interact indirectly. Almost like they're telepathic in a way. This could be the key to teleportation, maybe.
Totally anon. We are so quick to verbally beat ourselves up, but realistically only a small number of humans are actually worthy of being shot into the sun. Politicians and stuff.
The majority of us just want to peacefully exist.
They said it was impossible for live to survive at the bottom of the ocean because of the pressure and lack of light
They said it was impossible for humans to achieve flight.
They said trains would vibrate you to pieces.
They fucking said it was impossible for humans to get into space, let alone get to any other celestial body.
Humans are all about achieving impossible things. Just because we don't know of a way doesn't mean there isn't one
Holy shit it is now neomalthusian thread. I think that oil depletion and unctrollable breed of third world shitholes will lead to extermination of humanity in 70-80 years. In order to reduce their suffering first world just exterminate them with nukes. Nuclear holocaust is real.
If the signal came from 95 lightyears away and the signal travels at the speed of light it's 95 years old. That's not crazy old in the grand scheme of things. Earth is like 4.3 billion years old, their sun is 6.3 billion years old. Their planet, if there is one, could be about the same age as ours.
Regardless of what it is or isn't it's worth investigating because it's literally the only lead we've got. People want to know if there's other life out there and I don't see a problem with checking into it. This isn't your virginity, there's reason to try here.
There's a whole lot of shit everywhere that's just made up and thrown out there, even in modern times. And 99% of the time, the shit they make up is merely a justification for more funding.
As anthropologists are fond of saying "if you don't know what it is, say it's for religious purposes."
YFW the first encounter comes and the ayy lmaos just uplift some fungus or collects a flu sample
>Yeah, we definetly need this race that can zombify insects in our union.
>Oh shit, wouldn't you believe it! The shit we send to this direction on the metorites millions of years ago are still here! Thriving even!
it all makes sense
Tfw three laws
Interestingly enough though; all of those things were speculated before the scientific boom of the 20th century.
>They said it was impossible for humans to achieve flight.
Sure, in the 1800s
>They said trains would vibrate you to pieces
>They fucking said it was impossible for humans to get into space, let alone get to any other celestial body.
The same people probably thought the earth was flat.
We also went from thinking that, to thinking we could go on vacation on the moon by 1960. Then we came back to our senses.
We have gained a huge amount of knowledge since all those things we considered fact. I agree, lots of stuff we 'know' today might turn out to be totally wrong, but at least today we have actual solid ways to measure things. There is a steep curve on knowledge over time.
This is correct. It ties into the uncertainty principle, where photons will behave differently depending on whether or not they are being observed. Quantum mechanics are so fucking weird that we can't properly comprehend it. It's literally like a microverse with different laws. I think one day we will take advantage of this and possibly achieve something totally sci-fi to our current understanding.
I am an ignorant in physics but there's something weird here
6.5 billion years old star is away only 95 lightyears away from us... If the top speed in the universe is light how cam that star be so old and so close to us...
This is the star, as it appears on Google Sky.
You can find it at 18hrs 00mins 38.89sec, +29 degrees 34m 18.9s.
The whole system is almost 2 billion years older than ours.
The only object we have thus far detected orbiting it is an eccentric gas giant, roughly 16 times the mass of earth, orbiting the star somewhere between Mercury and Venus range.
This is a problem for the system as its transit from the outer orbits to the inner orbits likely fucked up a whole mess of worlds as it moved billions of years ago, either destroying them, throwing them into the sun or throwing them out of the solar system entirely.
Also the gravity of the sun affecting the gas giant at that range means it wont have any captured moons.
Its not impossible for worlds to be there though. Some may have got lucky avoiding that death ball.
Or, an advanced race might have just moved the planet closer to the star for whatever reason. A Type II civ could certainly pull that off.
If it is a space beacon, it might just be a way point marker rather than anything related to someone's homeworld.
We should point our receivers at the stars that are closest to it and see if they have similar signals.
The problem with filling local space and low orbit with trash is that when we start going real fast hitting it hurts. So when we try to get places, or re-enter atmo, we've basically created an immense and invisible minefield that can shred us (or alien observers/travellers) to bits with no warning.
Well we only recently started being capable of communicating over long distances and still can't travel them, so if they can message us or visit us, odds are they've been able to do it longer and are therefore more advanced.
Well, right now there is no way to detect any alien race that is on lower relative tech level than we are. They aren't sending out shit. This means any alien signal we recieve must come from a race with relatively same tech level or higher. If they are pulling some incredible stunts, for example if this discovery is true, they put out at least as much energy on that transmission as the whole human race uses on everything they have. Every car, electronic device, machine, everything right now.
So? What's your point? No one even mentioned anything related to what you just said, nor is it surprising. The universal speed limit is to do with the speed of something through spacetime, not the movement of spacetime itself. Pretty sure it's common knowledge among people with a high school education.
maybe they use their minds
piv very very related
The only other explanation is that you're genuinely mentally deficient.
Assuming aliens were able to get to us, they need a reason to do so. That's not going to work well for us as it means we have something they want. Look how that situation worked out for less advanced society when a more advanced one meets them through out our own history.
Enjoy being a space nigger on an alien slave ship being sent to the new world to work on the space banana plantation.
You do understand the facts that you cant possibly understand there thought process due to the fact that they might not even think in our terms.
Like your an individual mind, bound by life-sustaining drive forces in both your conscious and unconscious mind. They could be a hive mind or O.D.'s or a single sex with bio need for food or copulation and that would severely change perspective.
I never said keep it low or just hurl it up there. I'm talking giant space trash bags with rockets and obviously we will shoot them all in one direction, then all future light speed travel tests will simply be aimed in the opposite direction.
People want to think space is like earth and we will pollute it, it's so big and empty, think of it more like we're filling it with relics of our species.
What if it's a trap.
Follow my logic for a moment.
Said type-1 race discovers said crude transmission. Type-1 attempts communicating back. Type-2/3 receives said transmission and investigates where or not there is a habitable planet to steal.
inb4 it took 6 billion years. We have a small probe that can travel 20% the speed of light. It would only take a few hundred years... kek
It's nothing but a bunch of space niggers
What I human understanding is so limited, our predilections of self maximization and acquisition are so far off from the grand scheme of the universe we cant possibly know what they find of interest.
>what if space and time and consciousness where tied in together.
>discovering another sentient civilization would be there understanding if space exploration.
the god vs alien life comparison doesn't really make sense.
People that say alien life exists aren't saying it because "it just makes sense" it's because of how many planets exist in the universe that it's EXTREMELY likely that at least one of them can support life the same way ours can, there's like 10*24 or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000+ planets in the universe, the odds of one having actual life living on it besides ours is like 99.999999%
The religious argument doesn't benefit from those same sorts of statistics
Yeah I get that bit. But how is the stuff orbiting earth aby more of a threat than stuff already out there? We have an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter so is that not an issue?
Different anon here, you do realize that the asteroid belt is so large you don't actually see two asteroids together at one time? It's not like the movies where it's packed with asteroids. There might be small spaces where that could happen but with the size of the whole thing, it's almost impossible to hit one.
Anon from >>701828793
Also, warp drive could work in different ways.
For example, you could have it collapse space in front of you and expand it outwards so you move forwards with no actual force OR you could technically create sort of a waterfall effect by manipulating the space in front of you to make it "have a curve" like gravity and make it have a curve behind you as well so that the spaceship constantly "falls" forwards like a ball going down a hill.
This is all theories though, in the first one, I don't think the dust would be an issue even though in the second one it could.
We would have some sort of a weak shield to block the dust though if we already have a warp drive.
ITT: We try to out science other anons while in our basement.
Imagine you put food in the oven and turned on a smoke detector. When the food is done, the smoke sets off the alarm and you go eat.
Fucking signal is a smoke detector, we start responding to that shit and we're telling them that our amino acids are in a very flavorful arrangement.
Um im sitting in my sun room in my house 1min from a private beach across the country from my family. And ill out science the shit out of all of you.
What a piss poor lie. I'd bet you're less than 1 minute away from your mom, and even less than a minute from your doritos and mtdew.
It's a civilization of neckbeards living in their mom''s basement that's on dial up and they are searching for a faster signal so that they can browse 4chan.org for rekt threads
"LOOK OVER HERE! It's aliums we swear..don't think about the fact that the upcoming election is a sham and both mainstream candidates are objectively bad for your future....FUKIN ALIENS MAN!"
I don't drink soda. My mother is far away for good reason. I'm 6'5" and 250lbs. And I work out twice a week.
But ignore my challenge to intellectual debate because you have to attack me because I have what you cant even dream of and it makes you sad and feel inferior.
Because at that point they would be beyond the point of such petty quircks. They would operate on a completely different level unfathomable to us. With a fraction of the power of a star they could make a computer-chef that synthesize gorillion of recipies and culinary delicasies with blind randomness before their ships would arrive to us.
Watch out boys, internet tough guy coming through.
something huge and world changing
they dont call the best and brightest minds from around the world for nothing and have nearly every satellite dish on earth aimed at them and are now even sending messages
95 light years is fuck all distance for a space faring civilization
i cant wait until they get here
Just like humanity did when it raised to the next level compared to the primitive life around us.
>muh don't understandings of planet
>muh self loathing
>muh millennial retardation
This bread has it all.
I hope these aliens take you all to sovngarde!