I can't vote for trump or hillary. In my state hillary will win, so I plan on going to vote for every republican house, senate seat there is so she won't be able to get any legislation passed. hopefully in 4 years we have better options.
As a non-American, I am telling you that Trump is your only realistic choice. Hillary is easily one of the most corrupt and evil people I have ever had the misfortune to learn about. She symbolizes everything wrong and awful with today's politics and governments.
>>701668677 Hillary is observably incompetent and has used her power / social standing to sway the highest authorities in her favour in the most egregious case of visible unchallenged corruption ever.
Trump is a jackass but he's never done that, in fact the current corruption won't serve Trump because they all hate him for ruining their thing (DNC railroaded Hillary for election, you think Hillary won't railroad herself in to power using the known corrupt government connections?).
No choice really. Hillary: guaranteed corruption with a retard at the helm. Trump: almost guaranteed no corruption (at least not like we've seen) with a retard at the helm.
Think of it this way: they're both fucking retarded but one is in a position to further entrench top level corruption and the other is not in a position to do so. Which is preferable to you?
>>701668677 Can't really help on that one. I live in a swing state, so I'm tempted to vote for one of the major party candidates, but I think I'm probably voting for Johnson because although he's not a great candidate, I can't vote for Trump or Clinton in good conscience. Right now I'm like 95% I'm going to pull the lever for Johnson, 3% not vote for president, and like 2% Trump just because my vote actually kind of counts and I really don't want Clinton.
>>701669946 Hillary was a lawyer involved with Watergate during the whole Nixon thing.
While she's indeed experienced almost all of that experience is based on fucking things up. Benghazi is just the tip of the iceberg. She's certainly experienced in covering her tracks. She used specific software to delete "just personal emails" AFTER it became apparent that she's going to be investigated for a massive security breech of confidential information. She lied about the content of the emails, some were recovered proving this, then used her power and the promise of continuation in the highest court authority in the land to get the charges dropped and has "learned a lesson". The director of the FBi reports directly to the same person that Bill had a chat with about "golf" just before the charges were dropped. Imagine if you or I did that? Went to see the judge about charges before a case is brought? There's laws against that, well, ones for you and me at least. Not for Hillary!
No one is above the law, right?
But yeah, Trump is a dick, so let's vote for the singularly most corrupt person to ever approach the presidency ever because Trump has dumb hair and says dumb things. This is of course ignoring the dumb things Hillary says and does.
The best way to show a liberal that their perspective is fucked is to hold them to their own rules.
>>701670670 i mean if you vote for either of these candidates without any reservations you just have to be a stupid individual, if you listen to Trump speak it's immediately apparent he's not particularly smart or informed which is obviously "sorta important"
and then hillary is an evil witch but at least she knows what's going on in the world, it's a trade-off really
>But yeah, Trump is a dick, so let's vote for the singularly most corrupt person to ever approach the presidency ever because Trump has dumb hair and says dumb things.
Trump being a dick doesn't even begin to qualify as one of my biggest problems with him. You people seem to think that anti-Trump people are only concerned with the fact that he's supposedly racist and mean or whatever.
The glaring problem is that he's not smart and not qualified for the job. That's it.
>>701670793 She knows alright. Her top aide Huma Abedin works for an Islamic organisation that's on the terrorist watch list and published an article blaming America for 9/11. She's well aware of what's happening, she just doesn't give a fuck.
She's also part of the party that's given >$1 billion to Iran and paid $400 million for a hostage release (don't negotiate with terrorists?) while Iranian naval vessels are harassing US ships in friendly waters.
They know full well what's going on, they just have no idea how to stop it. Or perhaps they just don't care because one way or another they're still getting paid and are still in power.
>>701670884 I'd rather have someone ignorant of the law in a position to change it because it's not JUST that one person who changes it.
Having Hillary in that position is worse because not only does she know the law she knows how to break it and get away with it and has demonstrated that she will do exactly that for her own benefit.
Which is more dangerous? I say Hillary because it's proven that she will break the law and face no consequence. Trump? First sign he fucks up every fucker will be on him like a ton of bricks to shut him down.
>>701671089 >She's well aware of what's happening, she just doesn't give a fuck.
True for the most part, but here's what many people aren't getting: Hillary is purely concerned with herself. We all know she's a sociopath and not genuinely concerned with everyones well-being. However, in caring about herself, she also cares about her own legacy. If there's one thing she DOESN'T want, it's to go down in history as an objectively "bad" president.
So you have someone informed who's trying to do the right thing for purely cynical reasons (and only sometimes succeeding), which is bad.
But on the other side you have someone who might genuinely care (no real reason to think so, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt), yet completely lacks the kind of political vision and experience to be able to do the right thing. He's planning to waste money in the most obscene and inefficient ways, can't be relied upon when a new global crisis emerges, isn't very calculated diplomatically, etc
he's a great mascot for "le edgy anti-libs xD", but as a real political candidate he's just horrendous
I'm not sure where you got "of the law" from. That's not all I'm talking about. When I say he's ignorant I mean he's ignorant of science (anti-vax), geopolitical tensions across the world, the economy (yes, being a businessman is nothing like being an economist), the law, boundaries of acceptable discourse, the implications of some of his policy ideas, and even the positions he's SUPPOSED to be holding as a republican. He completely misrepresents the republcian position on climate change, and said on hardball that he thinks the top 3 functions of the government include education and healthcare. this man is a total imbecile.
>Which is more dangerous? I say Hillary because it's proven that she will break the law and face no consequence Trump? First sign he fucks up every fucker will be on him like a ton of bricks to shut him down.
This isn't a particularly strong argument to me. You're basically saying "Hillary is smart enough to get away with breaking the law, but Trump is so stupid he can't fool us". True, but not exactly at the top of my list of priorities.
Of course Clinton will be corrupt and benefit from her presidency in illegal ways. But these simply aren't very important issues in the grand scheme of things. This doesn't even come close to the hilariously unethical idea of deporting immigrants who have been here for over a year (deporting them right after they cross the border is obv fine)
If they were operating as a charity then their 10% "charitable spend" and 300K+ per year executive salaries would draw significant scrutiny. They avoid that by operating differently to a charity to the point where they can no longer be assessed as such but still claim to be one.
Also the thing about Saudi donations is simply a lie. Once again we find ourselves making Hillary look good by a: comparing her to Trump and b: telling lies about what she actually does during that comparison.
>>701668677 >>701668765 >>701668765 No. 1) this shows he's lying all the way through because it isn't possible without any compromise 2) an economic plan is supposed to be a LOT more detailed. If he just said "higher wages and tax breaks" without an extremely specific course of action, then he's not actually planning to do anything.
>>701671067 I was in my twenties when Bill Clinton took office and I can attest to this. I never struggled with finding employment and had money to take care of my young family. After Bush came in 9/11 happened and the economy took a nosedive and Cheney's Haliburton was the main rebuilding contractors after the US bombed the shit out of Iraq. I voted for John Kerry but people believed Bush as the man to continue rebuilding the economy but it was four more years of the same shit. Then the economy took another nosedive in a global scale. This is a true testament to the Republican Party's greediness and inability to create jobs and maintain a stable economy.
>>701671745 >But these simply aren't very important issues in the grand scheme of things If this is how you feel then it's clear to me that there is no common ground to base any sort of discussion on. This is genuinely the worst thing that I can imagine, an authoritarian government with flagrant corruption to drive whatever their agenda is with no checks and balances to stop it. That's not a big thing for you I guess. I don't think I'm capable of expressing just how bad that is if you don't see it already.
> Hillary is smart enough to get away with breaking the law, but Trump is so stupid he can't fool us
This is absolutely NOT what I am saying, don't twist words to suit yourself. What I am saying is that if Hillary wants to exercise corruption for whatever purpose then she is willing and capable. If Trump tried the same then everyone would want to see him fail, not succeed, so he won't be able to be corrupt in the same fashion that Clinton is right now.
protip: economies ebb and flow, always have. Another protip: presidents don't control the economy. They don't have an economy lever under their desk that they play with at their leisure. Presidents execute laws given to them by the legislative branch, hence executive office. They aren't kings. They aren't supreme overlords of the economy. Congress makes laws. The president puts them into action. People are dumb.
>>701671067 I was in my 30's during this same period. They inherited a Bush economy and rode it out for the 2-3 years before their policies took effect. Hence after 8 years in office, and Bill loosing his law license, they were "broke"(in hillarys' terms) and felt the need to steal over $200,000 in art and furnishings from the White House, which they had to return. Seems they couldn't rent the Lincoln bedroom quite enough to line their pockets.
>>701669930 Trump is at least 1000x more retarded than Clinton. Both are wrong about everything, but at least Clinton is wrong within normal parameters. Plus you never know what you'll get with trump because he flip flops weekly in an attempt to say what he thinks people want to hear.
Also zero political experience, laughable policies, vocabulary tinier than his hands, calls for Russian intervention in a US election, insinuations that someone should shoot his opponent, paper thin skin, Putin's bitch boy, etc
>>701672542 >If he just said "higher wages and tax breaks"
He didn't though, he has explained for months that bringing jobs back to the US through smart trade deals and tax reform will both create jobs and raise wages in the long run.
He wants a progressive tax for citizens that allows the poor to build up economic stability and the middle class to keep more of what they earn and a flat tax that does not cripple small businesses. Lying crooked Hillary can tweet that trump just wants >herp de derp errthing good we do dis
But he has put forth valid reasoning for his policies.
meanwhile she wants to continue bad trade deals that send more and more jobs overseas or outright destroy them, increase taxes on the 99% and continue importing low skilled workers to fight with the ones we already have over the few low skilled jobs there are and bottoming out the private labor market.
>>701669930 You're wrong on the account of considering Hillary incopetent. She is fully competent when dealing with issues within her interest. She is a hell of a corrupt lawyer, perverter of justice and democracy, liar (good at keeping skeletons hidden), and has managed to be the very influential.
>>701668677 The next president will change the face of the supreme court for the next generation, so unless you think lying and cheating to try and keep supreme court decisions progressive (or at the very least not regressive) is such a bad thing, then vote trump and watch the country go to a more oppressive, yet less diverse, hell.
>>701673913 >promise to fund his own campaign he set up a donation website so that people sending in micro donations didn't have to mail a check to his house. he never asked for people to fund his campaign, they chose to do so themselves. >changed from democrat to republican ideological shifts are not unheard of. >abortion dont care.
>>701674073 The difference is she changed her policies over decades full of changing societal attitudes and personal experience. Trump changes his mind on a whim from what he ardently believed the previous day.
>dems literally being proven to thumb the scales to give Killary minor leads >can't climb a flight of stairs on her own >wikileaks and FBI still finding/releasing new scandals >Trump filling stadiums for his rallies >Hillary can't find 25 people in cleveland
>And the Republican Party will fracture
Good, the GOP establishment is shit.
Why do you think the majority of votes went to outside candidates?
>>701668677 I hope its Trump, but would rather have Stein/Johnson. just want this shit roller coaster of an election to go over the climb and drop us into whatever fucking false flag disaster the .01% have planned next
>>701674100 Right. So trump is just as capable as Clinton of being a politician and working with those in Washington and abroad to achieve his goals? That's why he's an international joke and can't get his own party to coalesce behind him?
>>701672684 it's hilarious to see that some people here are so sheltered that they think the typical millenial (who is a liberal, as typical millenials are) thinks the whole safe space thing is acceptable and not laughable.
this is just a vocal minority on the internet my friend, most people are actually pretty normal out in the real world
Trump is going to destroy this bag of wrinkles in the debates. Yeah, she's a polished politician who does not utter a word that isn't based on polling data and hasn't been run by a focus group, but him debating her like an actual person is going to throw her off her game and she will look like a fucking retard. I hope it triggers her parkinsons on stage.
>>701674756 >does not utter a word that isn't based on polling data and hasn't been run by a focus group, Like trumps 180 on immigration? Or his constant excuses of sarcasm when the shit he says bombs? Or giving speeches that are just incoherent strings of buzzwords?
>And fuck your stadium anecdote It's not an anecdote when you can continue to get the same result state after state.
But I guess her receiving less votes than she did in 08 when she lost and democrat turnout being down across the board shows that the people at home are really pumped up for her in spite of her shit rallies?
But hey 268 days since her last press conference in a presidential race, I'm sure people like her and stuff.
you could just fucking vote for a third party like any sane person who is fully aware of the voting system. that's like going into a store with four options, ignoring two of them and complaining about the others. There's a simple solution. If enough people vote for a third party they're no longer a third party.
>>701675074 I'm sorry bud, but if a surgeon tells me he believes aliens abducted his wife, I'm never ever getting surgery from that man. You can do far more damage saying irrevocably stupid things, than you can repair by saying "decent" things. Trump tries to parrot the republican stance on global warming, but completely fails and comes up with this hilarious theory about climate change NOT EXISTING AT ALL rather than not being man-made.
Trump has spoken out against vaccination publicly.
Trump has consistently shown to have the vocabulary level of a 5th grader.
Trump has said on tv that he thinks education and healthcare are among the top 3 functions of the government. If this doesn't prove to you how fucking clueless he is, I really don't know how else to break it to you.
He could be a perfectly reasonable politician apart from all these things (he isn't, but still), and he'd still be a shitty candidate just because these negatives speak INCREDIBLY poorly of him.
How he tries to damage control when reading off a teleprompter filled with text written by his campaign manager is irrelevant.
>>701675229 but dont you understand anon? The average american can fathom more than two options. The average american only understand black and white, left and right, there is no room in there minds for various other options
>>701675186 Assange says a lot of shit and delivers on it. If he didn't have more emails he wouldn't say he does. What happens from the point of release is up to the corruption machine of Hillary of course but even so, I believe him when he says he's got more because he's never told a lie of that fashion in the past.
>>701675277 >0 enthusiasm = 0 reason to go to the polls
Wrong, you clearly have no idea how badly these people want to prevent a Trump presidency. They're just not "Hillary supporters", they'd have voted for me over Trump if that's how they thought they could stop him.
Doesn't mean they're coming to my home to cheer me on.
>Black people aren't going to vote for Hillary. They don't give a shit.
They always have and will obviously continue to lol
> The Democrats are going to have an awkward awakening when they realize they will have a lot less turnout when they're not putting a black candidate up for president.
Yes, after 200 years of black candidates they finally put forth a whitey, and now they'll lose all their voters.
>And this time, whites will actually turn out because it's not fucking Mitt Romney on the ticket.
Most people just aren't unintelligent enough to listen to Trump and not immediately be repulsed by the uneducated manner in which he speaks though
>>701675637 Go to Southern California and start rounding them up.
They don't hide their immigration status.
Start in every California kitchen. You'll find more illegals than you will cockroaches.
Don't forget to shut down these businesses that survive on paying illegal immigrants sub minimum wage, even though us progressives need to raise the minimum wage and these businesses need to be shut down anyway.
>don't like Trump because he doesn't want to give illegal immigrants amnesty >Trump now wants to give illegal immigrants amnesty >don't like Trump because he wants to give illegal immigrants amnesty. >libruls
it just proves that he's clueless, i'm not bothered by the fact that he actually holds that position, because he doesn't. it puzzles me how you do not understand the problem with him accidentally revealing he has no idea what a democrat or a republican even thinks and what his party stands for lmao
p.s. not a democrat and voting gary johnson, probably would have voted for like Rubio over Hillary, thank you very much
>>701675831 >Yes, after 200 years of black candidates they finally put forth a whitey, and now they'll lose all their voters.
The last 2 presidential elections the Democrats won easily just because they had a black candidate, both blacks and guilted whites flooded the polls to vote for them because "we's president now!" and because "I can't be racist because I voted for a black man."
Voter turnout will be way higher up for Republicans, and way down for Democrats. Whites will actually go to the polls when John McCain or Mitt Romney aren't on their ticket.
>>701675637 Flipflop subjects much. If you have banks first of all card people you prevent them from staying very long as they work illegal to send money to mexico. Control job sites for safety and illegals.
BUILD THAT WALL They migrate back and forth between Mexico and America , stop them from coming back in.
>>701676074 >The last 2 presidential elections the Democrats won easily just because they had a black candidate
You probably weren't around for this, but you know that an arguably even scummier Clinton (who's equally white) won 2 terms as well over more impressive republican candidates than Romney and McCain, right?
You're actually mentally ill if you think Obama wouldn't have won if he was white btw (at least 1st term)
Obviously you're not stupid enough to actually believe what you're saying about voter turnout, you just want to hang on to your fantasy world where the hilarious dipshit guy has a real chance to win, sadly it's not the case.
I've voted R 3 times and Dem 3 times. I dislike Clinton but Trump can't seem to go a day without overreacting to every generic campaign slight. He's demonstrated repeatedly that he has no idea what the consequences of his actions will be and his plan for everything is "Trust me, I'll figure it out later.". It's like he has no executive level brain function, none whatsoever. Putin is playing Grandmaster-level chess while Trump is fumbling with his checkers. That's just not a situation I want to be in as an American. Putin would shit all over Trump and I worry that a Trump presidency could be an extinction-level event, no joke. It's been said before but Trump is thin-skinned as fuck, reactionary and has no impulse control. Fuck that shit I can always vote R again in 4 years when they put up a real conservative.
I don't know why people think of it in those terms. The United States ended slavery, not a party. And as a side note, they only did it because it became politically advantageous. The war was going very badly and Lincoln needed to rebrand it before public opinion caused him to sue for peace, i.e. lose.
This post shows the worries of the democratic retards that keep voting democrat just cause they were told to vote democrat back in high school. I think you should go read a book and read up on some real literature so you are able to make some better decisions and not just watch television. Trump 2016.
>>701676415 >On trucks directly to Mexico How many trucks? Where do they come from? How much does it cost? Who pays for it?
>This is a crime prevention program because illegal immigrants commit more crime than native legal citizens. This is simply untrue. Illegal immigrants commit less crime.
>let the Mexican government who aided their immigration through their country deal with them. So the Canadian illegals went theough Mexico? The people who came to America legally on a Visa and never left, they came through Mexico? Holy shit dude where are you getting this information?
>We don't have to get them all. Oh, okay, so when Trump says "Deport them all" he doesn't actually mean it.
>>701676303 >You know the KKK just endorsed Hillary right?
It's almost like they're not stupid enough to realize that endorsing Trump would be counterproductive, and "endorsing" Hillary would be a good political move to help Trump win.
Like Jesus dude, do you actually take EVERYTHING you read at face value?
and yeah the rest of your comment is some really interesting stuff about what happened centuries ago and no one cares about anymore lol. democrats are pretty bad but unfortunately for you their candidate at least knows how to think and the GOP one doesn't this time around. vote gary johnson idiot
>>701671089 Well if we bomb these fucks back to the stone age where they belong we'd have the international backlash because everyone sees that muslims are a very big problem but we've been forcefed acceptance and tolerance since we were shitting our pants so it is a bit of a tricky situation. How to commit genocide while making people believe its the right thing to do?
Hitler pulled it off pretty well and since Trump is a descendant of his he seems like the best man for the job
>>701676412 I don't have an archive of all the trump events with tags or anything
I would go find one of his recent rallies or press conferences.
the rallies are all essentially the same message being delivered on a local level so any of them should be fine, his foreign policy press conference was good. I don't remember if I caught a domestic policy press conference but I read all the positions so I didn't look for it.
>>701677096 If you're edgy you'd be voting for the candidate that has the courts under her thumb and doesn't care when military / diplomatic assets are killed in foreign nations due to the poor aesthetics of having the ability to defend themselves.
>>701677206 This coming from the person who hasn't capitalised a single sentence or used a single period...
You decided to attack me directly when I pointed out a flaw in your point. That's exactly what tu quoque is: "Avoiding having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - answering criticism with criticism."
>>701674299 lol, the dying gasps of a man flailing about as he sinks beneath the surface to drown.
>Someone tampered with the polls showing my candidate is getting his ass handed to him, even though that's what pretty much every 3rd party pollster is reporting! Any I can find that give him the edge are probably accurate though.
>People have come to some of his events in large numbers, as have for Hillary, but instead I'm going to compare those to one instance of small turn out for Hillary. Clearly the fact that I need to contort my thinking with these absurd mental gymnastics is no indication at all that I'm being completely dishonest with myself.
>>701672639 The economy in the 90s under Clinton occurs due to a lot of things, despite our outsourcing and influx of foreign workers. But, his economic policies ballooned and popped under W. Obama has done nothing to change course, and has instead double downed.
>>701677339 I don't even like or support Trump though but I stand by that point. Trump won't be able to get away with the shit Hillary currently does and we know Hillary will get away with even more if she makes it to the top. Quod erat demonstrandum.
>>701677295 >>Trump does not know who the guy is then tells him he does not want his endorsement But that was a lie. He knew who he was. They were Birthers together.
also The whole "the KKK endorses hillary" thing is a meme, it was one guy alleging that the KKK supports her. He said stuff like this
>Once she’s in the presidency, she’s going to come out and her true colors are going to show. Border policies are going to be put in place. Our second amendment rights that she’s saying she’s against now, she’s not against. She’s just our choice for the presidency.
Which is bullshit. It's clearly a ploy for media attention.
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