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Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense and to protect your family, home and country?
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Cuz i have a knife.
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cause guns kill people
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I do
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>>701622476
>protect your ... country?

Kek you have to be kidding mate
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Because I'm comfortable with the average size of my penis
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>>701622476

Because it's a stupid gun for home defense.

Better than nothing, though.
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>>701622933
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>>701622905
from itself, obviously
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>>701622476
I like the custom dust cover
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Because instead I own an SLR-107, which is just as good if not better than any AR.
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>>701623428
lol you dont even have an optic on that! lol good kek 8/10
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>>701623582
All you need is the iron sights. Optics are just one more thing that can break. Also, not my AK either anon :)
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Because I have an electric guitar that is shaped like a machine gun with a penis shaped barrel that I choose to defend my home against the government and intruders with.
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>>701623869
thats why you have both.
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shit post but il bite why not.
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>>701624294
holy shit. make your bed, are you some sort of degenerate slob?
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>>701622476
I know how to deflect bullets with my katana... there's literally no reason for me to own a gun
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>>701624294
ha, good luck shooting it without a clip
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>>701622476
Cuz I live in LA
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AR is cool guy
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>>701625110
same but with my wolverine claws
bunch of faggots in this thread
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>>701625285
my katana is literally sharper than your wolverine claws
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>>701622476
>Those Trees
>Those Berms
>Those Tables
Do you know where that image is from OP? Because I feel I do.
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>>701622476
Because I dislike the way it looks.
Because any purpose this gun has that i would personally use is done better by other guns.

Fighting the gubment/looters/dindoos ect.
>dmr = SCAR or even FAL
>precision rifle = a magnitude of bolt action rifles
>HD = shotgun or hand gun

I'm not saying its a bad gun but it isn't useful to me. I am thinking about building one in 300 blk with a can and short barrel and night vision scope for a varmet killing but its pricey and requires meme stamps so the ATF doesn't kill my dog.
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I'm black living in the US. I know better.

I don't even want to own my kitchen knives. If shit goes down I would get lost among all the dindus and no one would really realize I actually did nothing.
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>>701625725
>i have no use for one but i want to buy one anyway so I can use it for x
lol the irony.
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>>701625733
true, most people in US have the "kill all colored people and let God sort them out" mentality, Including myself.
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greetings degenerates
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>>701625110
What kind of faggot shots at Autozone?

Nah man.

Napa.

Napa is the place you want to go.

Advance Auto if you are in a pinch, since it tends to be within 5 minutes people, but Napa is the main goal here.
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>>701622476
cause I live in canada. and I don't need to defend myself against people who have no business owning an AR-15.
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>>701626437
Cute dogger for scale.
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>>701622583
Piss poor reason. Knifes and guns don't fulfil the same role. You should have both.

>>701622678
Yes they do. That isn't a reason not to own one.

>>701622905
What is the second amendment?

>>701622933
That doesn't mean you can't own guns

>>701625733
Do it anyway. All Americans have a civic duty to arm themselves regardless of race, creed, gender, ect

>>701626090
OP asked why I don't have one. Not having one because I have other priorities is fine. Wanting one for a niche task is also fine.
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>>701626470
different anon here but napa has shit replacement parts, especially things like alternators, starters, etc. They changed where they got their stuff from several years ago and it is low quality garbage and you have to suck their dick if you want to take something back and even then they usually tell you to fuck off.
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>>701622476
Because cash. Once I get a decent job, though, I'm getting this baby.

Another note: I live in a fairly dense apartment, and I'd be concerned about over penetration if I shot a solid round in here. Buckshot, however...
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>>701624926
i was packing up my stuff before i moved to the university. pic was back from 2013 if i remember
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>>701626799
she was just a pupper when this all started
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>>701622476

because i don't like .223. i use a .12 ga mossberg 500 with 3 inch magnum triple ought buckshot for home defense.

if i ever have to shoot someone, they're going to stay down.
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>>701622476
Because I have an FN-FAL paratrooper in 7.62 NATO.
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I think we should only use butter knifes. If we need something to be cut that can't be cut by a butter knife we should take it to a licensed and government certified butcher.
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>>701625196
ive got plenty of pmags, plus extras ready to sell durring the next panic. pic related, some of my bakalites for my ak too.
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I have one.
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>>701626437
Aww, he's adorable!
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>>701627356
>FN-FAL paratrooper in 7.62 NATO

sweet... another fn-falbro
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>>701627356
I've actually heard almost nothing but good things about those. Are they worth?
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Because I have better weapons for self defense and I built my AR-15 to pop woodchucks at 3-400 yards.
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>>701627234
that's excuse. complacency with being a slob is a slippery slope. one day you dont make your bed and before you know it you are living in a house filled with 6 feet of garbage and are on Hoarders yelling at people for throwing away your perfectly good dead cat.
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>>701628109
that's no excuse*
typing is hardd
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>>701627133
00 buck out a 12 gauge will still over penetrate.
Don't get me wrong the mossburg is a nice gun and will defend your home from dindos well but long guns in general aren't very good in tight spaces and depending on the size of your apartment, may not be the best choice. I would recommended a Taurus judge or public defender.
>inb4 hand granade
They aren't that bad. Its a cheap gun that you can load 410 HD shells that won't over penetrate. Also you won't feel bad when the police commandeer it for evidence after you slay a dindo trying to steal your tv.

TLDR: If you have other reasons for getting the Mossberg, get that. If it is purely for HD, I would recommended a cheap tourus meme cannon.
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>>701622476
Cause it's finicky, has poor penetration and is useless for fuck all else. I'll stick to my M14 thanks. Least I can go hunting with it and still be able to hit something a click out.

>But, but, muh full auto and 30 round mag
...is for people that MISS. Unless you bring 9 friends, which I doubt you have, I won't be having to reload.
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>>701622476

cus even the notion of owning a gun is illegal down in mexico
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>>701627396
>>701622583
>>701622678
>>701622905
>>701622933
>>701627766
B8
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>>701627979
the only battle rifle I'd trust more than anything made by Fabrique Nationale is an AK
solid rifle that is reliable after all sorts of abuse
Armalite's rifles are not bad, but they have too many quicks for me to chose them for combat over most any battle rifle
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>>701622476
Bc it is an assault-rifle and not a defense-rifle.
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>>701627338
>because i don't like .223. i use a .12 ga mossberg 500 with 3 inch magnum triple ought buckshot for home defense.

Does that come with a set of replacement eardrums?
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>>701627234
is that wolf ammo the steel case polymer round everyone complains about? or is that tulammo
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Haven't got the money yet, but hope to soon
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>>701622905
Mate? I'm guessing you live in the UK where terrorist like the IRA get to have any guns they want but you don't.
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>>701628638
Its not like the law cares about you any way. It sure as hell isn't going to help you when you need it to most. A good gun however, will always have your back.
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>>701628109
damm, i thought this post was about ARs lol. but if it makes u feel any better, things have gotten better since moving out.
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>>701628638
How does Los Zetas have guns then?
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>>701628934
.223 is pushing 3000 fps and is much louder than 12 gauge
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>>701622476
pistol for self-defense
shotgun for home defense
bolt action rifle for hunting
semi-automatic or automatic rifle for defense of society
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>>701622476
I don't live in a war zone.
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>>701628867
It is not select fire and so by definition is also not an "assault rifle".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
Please educate yourself.
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>>701622476
Because its a shitty weapons system.
I sure as hell wont spend my hard earned money on a piece of metal and plastic. Both guns i have i inherited and have no plans to buy more or use them for self defense. Thats why we have police.
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>>701629015
not him but that is wolf gold, regular brass case. wolf does also have their polyformance which is steel case with polymer coating, tula is also steel case, not sure if it has a coating or not. Some steel case stuff, like Brown Bear, has a lacquer coating. Ive shot 1000s of rounds of all of them in my ARs and havent had any problems at all. most people just bitch because they tend to be dirtier than regular brass case ammo
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>>701624926
Why bother I'll just fuck it up later. It won't get any worse if I leave it indefinitely.
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my newest build (have 2 other ARs also)
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Because I live in Australia land of the batshit licences but can own these and have these
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Why do we need a gun when we can ask the person who breaks into our house what is bothering them. words are effective too.
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>>701629466
>.223 is pushing 3000 fps and is much louder than 12 gauge

OK, you're an idiot.
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>>701630321
Hi Dr. Phil!
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>>701629468
>automatic rifle
These are shit. While I don't think they should be banned or restricted, automatic fire is overrated. It is useful for suppressive fire and putting a lot of lead at a target you couldn't realistically get a good shot at (like old school aircraft). How you place your shots is much more important than how many you make.
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>>701628759
b8?
holy fuck, you are one stupid mother fucker
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Because i own a C39. Ordered a brace (stock) for it and getting adapter next week. Its a fun gun to shoot
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>>701628638
Cartels guey
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>>701629807
Police are only there for clean up & conflict resolution, not protection. When the shit hits the fan, they will not be there.

If you want protection you have to either
a) hire a security guard or
b) arm and train for your own self defense.
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>>701630563
And you are one triggered cuck.
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>>701629807
>trusting someone else with your own protection
Rly nigga?
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>>701627236
VERY cute pupper for scale.
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Because felon
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>>701630657
c. believe in Jesus
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>>701629214

this line of logic has got me close to buying one in the black market, but the problem is that most those guns are "burnt" in other words, most guns in the black market can be traced to anything done up north (very nasty shit)

>>701629435
well, they are a ruthless criminal organization that split from the army so they know their shit around getting guns, plus those smuggled from the us dont usually end in the hands of people looking for means of self defense
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>>701630657
I live in the middle of nowhere. I leave my front door unlocked and i sleep on the couch. Crime just doesnt happen here
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>>701630434
You do understand that's completely correct right and that even .380 pistols are louder than shotguns?
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>>701630537
all of that is true
but like any weapon you need practice to use it effectively (in roles it was designed for)
and because of the scarcity of civilian owned automatic weapons
few people have the chance to learn how to perform suppressing fire or fire on an aircraft
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>>701630734
Really. There is no crime in my town. Its 99% white mainly a farming community
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>>701630563
Nigger really? How are any of those posts NOT b8?
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>>701630646

para que me pongan el dedo? no gracias
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>>701628298
hmm, I've heard bad things about that revolver.

Really, I don't think it's reasonable, next to the price of the Mossburg. Also, smaller cartridge. I want to start shooting handguns competitively, and either a Beretta 92 or a CZ-75 will serve on the range in production class, but I'm hesitant to trust a nine with my life when I don't have to worry about carrying it all day. I'm kind of interested in the 1911, but I've never shot one before and I have my doubts about competing against 9mm polymer guns with a .45.
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>>701631182
Automatic weapons are pointless due to accuracy. Also, you better be rich af for all that ammo
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>>701628298
PD poly is a next to useless
>can't use speedloaders unless you mod the grip
>shell/brass ejection is a toss up
>45colt is one of the more expensive handgun rounds
>grip is small for anyone with medium sized hand or bigger
>holsters are difficult to find
>stupidily heavy trigger pull
only useful if you HAVE to have .410 on a handgun, and even then firing shotgun rounds from a revolver is rough.
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>>701622476
Because I prefer my handgun OP
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To be honest police don't even need hand guns. We have tranquilizer guns that can put people to sleep. We have tasers that work like bullets. Flash bangs, etc.
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>>701627236

it's funny how you started out with a terrible taste in accessories...
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>>701626803
Fuck you man. We recognize bait when we see it.

No one is falling for that one.
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>>701622476
I do, but I still prefer my L1A1.
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>>701631189
Until one day it isn't. I'm not saying it will happen, but it could. And I would rather you be ready for such a situation than waiting with your thumb up you ass for the police to get there. This >>701630657 anon has it right.
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>>701629468
this man has the right ideas. I'd laugh when your AR overpens and you end up shooting a family member.
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>>701627003
Oh man, really? I guess Autopart International is the next best thing...but I don't think they work with normal retail DIY customers.
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>>701631501
>Automatic weapons are pointless due to accuracy.
if you are using an automatic for point accuracy, you are using it wrong
and you should give the MG-42 or its successors (other than the M-60) a try
amazingly accurate for a belt fed machine gun
Browning MK-2 is also amazingly accurate
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>>701622476
Let's be real here. DPS is kinda shit on the AR right now. Maybe after the next patch if they nerf the IW-80
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>>701622476
I don't care for the feel of an AR, grew up on bolt-action so the AR platforms feel really short compared to my rifles
>handgun for edc
>12ga w/0000 for HD
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>>701631545
It also can shoot .45 apc anon. Its the OP's mother of hand guns. It will shoot anything you can stuff it with.
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>>701624294
308?!
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>>701631884
an M-4 is the only rifle I've seen cook off a round
but it was in Iraq during the summer after an hour of sustained fire at the range
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>>701622476
I prefer the M-14.
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>>701631826
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>>701632352
okay? when did I ever talk about cooking off a round?
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>>701632297
i know, i own one
from my own personal experience, i don't believe the ammo versatility makes up for all the other faults. I'd rather have one handgun fire one caliber with the fewest amount of drawbacks
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Because I have the obviously superior Kalashnikov platform.
Pic related.
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>>701631693
We have the south american market directly below us, with both guns and drugs. We have piles of pre-existing guns scattered around the country.

The time for deescalation is long gone. We had a few chances to NOT be in this situation, but we're in it now and there is no amount of whining that guns kill people, or claiming that aligning your chakras with the burglar's moon-crest, or whatever other bullshit that can change things.

Police need guns because criminals have guns. Criminals use guns because it give em free power over others AND the police have guns. Civilians need guns because waiting for the police is shitty when the guy about to kill your family has a gun.

We're stuck.
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>>701631327
Like I said anon, if you have other reasons for getting a gun, don't get this one. But if I had to pick a weapon for the expressed purpose of killing a dindo in my cramped apartment building, it would be this. Also 9mm will make someone just as dead as a .45 (as long as its people we are talking about killing), just keel perforating dindo until dead. CZ 75 is one of my top ten favorite guns and I would recommend it to anyone. It may not be the best gun ever but it is sexy as hell and damn smooth to shoot.
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>>701631182
Uhh, you do know he meant how aircraft needed LMG and HMG's on them in order to properly hit something before lock on technology came about. Wasn't refering to firing at an air craft ya dumb shit.
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>>701632710
you didn't
but you were talking about how shit ARs are
break out of your tunnel vision
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>>701622476
Cause I live in California. It is easier for me to just own a milsurp instead of having to deal with all of the "Common Sense" gun laws here. I can shoot my SMLE faster than a Californian legal AR 15 since you now have to permanently attach the magiaziene in an AR 15 here. In order to load it you have to break it open. My SMLE on the other hand can take two 5 round stripper clips in a few seconds and Im ready to continue.
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>>701630991
Hey uhh, where do you live? I'd like to say hi.
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>>701632858
It's not superior, it's the cheapest design that best fit the requirements set down by the soviet military infrastructure at the time

It is meant to be nigger/slav proof
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>>701631725
Nigger what? None of this is b8. If you want to discuss the points I've I'm down. I unironically believe everything I have posted.
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>>701633204
propeller driven fixed wing and rotary wing (helicopter) aircraft have been frequently taken down in combat with light and heavy machine guns
aim 100m in front of a fixed wing or 50m in front of a rotary wing when they are below 600m agl and within 1km of your position with a machine gun
if you don't take it down, you will put enough led into it that they will either back off or call in a bombing run on you
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>>701631545
See >>701633136
Also its a fun fucking gun for the price
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>>701631693
I disagree whole heartedly
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>>701633387
Maybe. But put it through hell, it'll still fire. It won't jam because of a little dust.
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>>701622476
Not a paranoid dumbfuck.
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>>701631327
different anon here, I have no input on the whole competitive shooting stuff but I will take a 40 or 45 over 9mm for self defense at home/in car. I got my ccw recently and had a hard time deciding between 40 and 9mm for my daily carry, had already decided on the model (XD-S). I went with the 9mm for better shootability because the gun is smaller and lighter, but in full size guns i prefer bigger rounds. XD-S is my 1st and only 9mm handgun, I feel perfectly fine with 9 rounds of 9mm HSTs as my edc. Everyone is different.
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>>701633332
Wanna meet my sks?
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>>701633965
This.
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>>701633897
The russians purposely traded combat effectiveness, performance, etc for ease of production and ruggedness.

The Russian philosophy of weapon design originates in the two world wars, from which they learned that on the modern battlefield the life of equipment is woefully short. My point is that the rifle was designed strictly for the soviet union, their infrastructure, military composition, and largely their logistical/combat doctrines.

The rifle itself is nothing special, it is designed to throw as much lead down range as possible. It is not elegant by western engineering standards, but it did the job the soviets intended it to do.

Looking at a weapon through a one dimensional lens is never good
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>>701633136
Ok then, makes me feel a little better going forward. I guess I've just let /k/ get me worked up about 9mm. I guess I'd really only need to score two hits center mass to stop Deequan from caving my skull in, and the CZ would really be much more useful to me than the shotgun.
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>>701622476
I have a mini-14
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>>701622476
Because Justin Trudeau is a cuckold faggot like his communist loving father
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>>701633647
>>701631725
*I've made
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Any lefties here use the Charter Arms Southpaw revolver? I'm probably going to buy one in the next week and would like some info on it
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>>701633647
And we have other people who are waiting in their trucks with the Lynch mob on speed dial. Just waiting for normal black people to look at a weapon for too long.

Nah. Fuck that.
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>>701622476
theyre too main stream
and guns are too loud
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>>701633965
>>701634578
I don't have to be paranoid to own and enjoy guns. Also wanting to be responsible for my own protection doesn't make me paranoid, it makes me prepared.
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>>701622476
Because I have an ak already and a ps90 and a .308 rifle. Plus my mossberg 500 is better for home defense anyway.
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>>701632328
nah just 5.56 / .223. although i plan on getting the .308 repr version though
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>>701629337
>star wars battlefront in the background
yeayyuuhhhhh
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>>701634901
Yes, you're paranoid. Your own comment demonstrates that. Loser white trash you are.
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Because I have AKs and an m60.
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>>701634774
>>>/k/
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>>701635246
shit bait fam

>>>/plebbit/
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>>701634810
I would rather be armed if I knew some inbred hick wanted to lynch me. Also no one said you had to tell people you where armed. Only an idiot plays cards with his hand revealed.
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3 in the safe
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>>701634592
Ooh, I've heard good things about that rifle!

How's it shoot?
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>>701629337

>twisty barrel
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>>701635246
>No u
Nice comment m8. Really stimulating the discussion.
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>>701635267
>m60
sure u do, sure u do...
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>>701622476

Because I live in a civilised country where guns aren't necessary for self-defence, or to protect my family or home.

Americans amuse me. Land of the free? Land of the scared and non-provided. Sure, I pay more in tax but my society is more peaceful and much more "free" then yours. You delude yourselves into thinking you're No. 1 but if you have to resort to having your own weaponry for defense against other human beings then you're clearly in a hostile environment. Which you've done to yourselves. Congratulations. Much to your chagrin might ≠ right
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Cause it's kinda boring.
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>>701635739
A discussion between dumbfuck gun nuts isn't stimulating to begin with.
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>>701622476
im a poor fag who had to scrape just for a plastic wonder 9 last year and prays an SKS is good enough for a semi auto rifle
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>>701634872
Suppressor? If you're not a felon? (although, worrying about sound probably means that you will be soon...)

Also, there are some really weird firearms out there, especially between the world wars. Really beautiful collector shit and mechanical oddities.

Also bait.
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>>701622476

Who says I don't? I don't want to advertise it.
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>>701636007
>>701635836

really makes me think
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>>701622476
Because I'd rather shoot a motherfucker with a double barrel shotgun. Impractical? Kinda. Badass? Totally.

I live in Alberta Canada, and due to the hick nature of my family, I aquired a couple rifles and shotguns cause my dad was into huniting

I figure if I'm gonna go out in a home invasion, I might as well do it as cool as possible
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Because my country doesn't need any more protecting, and it would require power tools to break into my house. Prevention is better than the cure. And finally, the AR is probably the last weapon I'd choose for home defence; a good shotgun does way more damage.
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>>701635836
Again I would rather be responsible for my own safety than trust my government to do it for me. I would rather be free than safe, but whatever. If you are happy living in your safe space that's fine. I would much rather be the master of my own destiny and accept the risks that come with it.
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Because I'm not a tiny dicked paranoid pussy living in FOX news world? Eat your gun.
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>>701633728
Yeah, I know you can shoot down a plane. However, we're talking about man-portable automatic rifles. The only reason you mentioned airplanes is because the guy you were responding to mentioned them in the specific manner that old biplanes and ww2 fighters had so much fucking lead spewing firepower because it was harder than fuck to hit shit.
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>>701635836
Force is all that matters in the end, that's why your government has a military and a police force. They have laws, but they're just words on paper if they don't have steel and lead behind them.
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>>701634535
Yup. He can meet my friend nagant.
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>>701636007
>No ur dumb
Are you going to bring any actual content or no?
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>>701636642
Living in paranoia is a pretty fucked definition of free.
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>>701636662
Boy scout motto: "Be Prepared." It's better to be ready for a situation and have it never come than to not be ready for it and see it bull charging you down the street.
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>>701636921
Do you feel safe in Tower Hamlets?
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>>701636642
Problem is, I'm freer then you are. And safer too. Sorry to break it to you. I'm so free i don't NEED guns. That's what you don't understand.

>>701636792
Only if you're paranoid and have a victim complex. A both police and military are a deterrent.
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>>701636832
Um.... proof of your stupid? That's kinda obvious.
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I prefer to use registered short barreled ARs for home defense.
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>>701637201
Just make sure to pay your TV license or the bobbies will be knocking down your bloody door to make sure they have money to fund more programmes on why we need refugees
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>>701636921
Free to live and die as I see fit. I'm not afraid to die and I'm not afraid to kill. I'm just prepared to do what I need to so that I can live. If you want to trust you safety to someone else that's fine. I would rather do it myself.
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>>701636679
sorry for not continuing the conversation in that specific line of thought and try to expand on valid uses of machine guns
I will avoid doing that again
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>>701636662
See>>701634901
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>>701635396
I've actualyl been wondering: How do lych mobs actually get the people out of their homes so they can lynch them?

Threaten them with violence? "If you dont come out so we can kill we you will kill you!" nope. that can't be it.

Threaten (or actually) burn the house? Plausible.

Kill them BEFORE dragging them out of the house and then play with the body afterwards? This one makes the most sense.
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>>701636921
It's not so much paranoia, I think anon's arguing for personal agency and self-reliance. I think I hear a little bit of personal pride in there too. Good for you, anon.

Also, you know what they say: When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.
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>>701637211
>Um.... proof of your stupid? That's kinda obvious.
Nice English m8
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>>701637396

The TV licence is a tax. Most accept it and get great programming on the BBC including all the multitude of documentaries and satirical comedies on one of the many BBC channels, both on TV and radio. If it was called a tax it might be better because that's what it is..

But I'm also not in the UK so eat a dick. There are many other countries that speak English
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>>701637201
Deterrent against?

That's right, people who would misuse force.
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2 firearm engineers were testing this. Here's the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU
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>>701637650
or they lynch someone w/o firearms and pin them down with overwhelming numbers
sucker punching them also works well
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>>701629337
Halo books on the shelf. My nigga.
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>>701632858

Very nice Yugo M70
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>>701630634
milled reciever... nice
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>>701637894
Okay so you're dirty asian mud whose country has fallen apart once our empire left your shores
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>>701637201
I don't NEEEEED guns either. But they are fun and very useful should push come to shove. At least I have the freedom to own them, or not, or whatever.
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>>701635243
again, pic was before i moved out for university lol. fuck i miss that game.
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>>701629337
>not master chief's battle rifle
I am disappoint in you son.
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>>701638136
he has the hobbit too
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>>701638008
Damn, I love me some slow-motion gun porn...
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>>701637373
looks more like a pistol with a brace
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>>701631189
99% white you say? Where is this heaven?
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>>701637654
Not withstanding that the vast,vast majority of people will go through life without so much as a break in let alone an assault or something worse. But anon can just go ahead and live his paranoia infused vision of the rugged macho male beholden to no one heavily armed and fearful of his government. Stupid can't be cured, just minimized.
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Because the AK and SCAR platform are clearly superior. Plus I'm an edgy egoist anarkiddie that does not believe in countries.
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>>701635727
the twisty barrel was in theory suppose to reduce weight. at least thats what LWRC market it as. not my favorite AR in my collection but whatevs
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>>701636386
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>>701638467
really hope they do an M60 on day
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>>701638568

Those are Magpul MOE stocks, the FDE is an SL-K and the black one is an SL. These are registered as form 1 SBRs.
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>>701622476
Because I would rather buy a fn fal, AK variant, or something more fun than a glorified .22
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>>701637939
Yes, there will always be people who misuse force. Still doesn't mean being "stronger" then anyone else is the answer to the problem. It's the atypical US-type response that the world laughs at you about but it's not an actual solution.

>>701638175
lol wat? Have you looked at a map of the world recently? I don't even know what you're talking about? Where do you think I'm from? I'd LOVE to know.
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Because I'd rather have a .308. Fuck your faggy .223
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>>701638624
fluting also helps dissipate heat
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>>701622476
Because I'm a passive nerd who would find another way to survive. Nothing against guns, people definitely kill people, guns just aren't my thing.
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>>701630288
>1911
Honestly the best gun I have ever shot.
It's the only one that feels right every time.
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>>701639061
tbh you're a wog so I don't care
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>>701635836
>Because I live in a civilised country where guns aren't necessary for self-defence, or to protect my family or home.

Fantasy Land?
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>>701638201
That's fine. They can be fun, I'll agree. At least you're not deluding yourself.

Most countries you can also own them. They may ask you why though. If you're in an apartment building in the middle of a city, you don't need a hunting rifle in your cupboard. They're sensible questions which help to keep guns out of the hands of idiots. The increased security makes everyone safer as a byproduct

>>701639373
Not quite

>>701639386
Most countries in the world are like that actually.
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>>701637373
those are very nice
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>>701639207
ive done some mag dumps on it, generally it runs fine, but ive never fired it to the point where barrell heat becomes a problem. i remember getting it just for the sweet ambi lower and the free optic (aimpoint t-1)
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>>701638578
I don't think he's gone that far. Jesus, he's just a guy with a gun.

Owning a gun for self defense isn't living in fear of the government. After a certain point, you might be able to paint it as paranoia, but I don't think there's enough evidence here to really support that claim. Yes, a self-defense situation is unlikely, but think of it as a form of insurance. It's not useful all that often, but when it is you REALLY need it.

Also, whatever happened to being macho being a good thing? Sure, in extremes it has its problems, but it seems pretty ok to me.
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>>701638578
>>701633965
>>701635246
>>701636662
>>701636921
>>701637201
Why are you people constantly bringing up paranoia? Like actually what the fuck? What is so wrong about wanting to have the means to effectively defend one self?
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I find it rather interesting that people living on the very land where WW2 was fought feel they won't ever need a gun.
Seems kinda delusional.
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>>701640224
Because you don't actually need to defend yourself because there's nobody to defend yourself from...to think you do means you're paranoid.

Pretty simple really
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>>701640224
From what imminent danger?
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>>701639214
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>>701640290
That's because we've moved on. Maybe if you had a large war on your land you'd feel the same. All your wars on US soil have been small in comparison. Your population has never really suffered the same as European population have.

Also, we know the phrase Once bitten, twice shy.
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>>701640570
So, you're all morons?
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>>701639676
>Not quite

Still upset about brexit?
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>>701640363
>Because you don't actually need to defend yourself because there's nobody to defend yourself from...to think you do means you're paranoid.

>Because you don't actually need to defend yourself because there's nobody to defend yourself from

>Because you don't actually need to defend yourself

Dumbest thing I have read all day....no all month
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>>701623428
>bulgarian shit
>just as good
SGL owner here, you are filth, lol
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>>701640363
I used an AR-15 to defend myself when three gangbangers attempted to pull a home invasion robbery in the wee hours of the morning in 2008. Two of them had handguns, but they tan as fast as they could when they saw me pointing my rifle at them.
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>>701640818
correction....*ran* as fast as they could
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i live int he uk where people like me have huge cocks so we dont need guns to make up for tiny dick
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>>701622476
Because some people live in more cucked states an they therefore have to obtain what ever else the can manage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/01/28/girl-faces-fine-for-possessing-pepper-spray-in-denmark-after-using-spray-to-protect-against-sexual-assault/?utm_term=.f74b8e0b12cb

Still it's not an excuse to not stock up on at least knifes an bastard guns made in garages of course.
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>>701640963
>muh dik

nigger detected
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>>701640963
Damn you're a fuckin' idiot.
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>>701640818
they shouldn't have seen anything but ur muzzle flash.

FFS dude, don't buy a gun and not shoot thieves.
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>>701640363
I think this argument is missing the point a little bit.

You don't need to defend yourself all the time, but if you need to, guns are handy, and keeping one on hand is pretty inexpensive. Next to the life of someone you care about, it's practically nothing.

You don't need a gun every day, but it's a lot easier to already have one instead of trying to get one if the need arises. Owning a firearm is a reasonable choice, so long as you do it responsibly.
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>>701640963
Enjoy your Sharia Law
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>>701640963

Apparently, the little muslim immigrant men who are raping all of your women have bigger cocks, because you eurotrash men don't seem to be stopping them from doing it..
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>>701622476
because pic related will do just fine
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>>701640470
>Wildlife
>Criminals
>Rioters
>Looters
>Da gooberment (hopefully never)
Look these are all very real threats in this day and age. I'm just looking out for shit just in case.
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>>701641389
Have you seen BLM trash Milwaukee?
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Coz i have a kar98 with hitler's soul still in it, to protect my country in the next race war in Europe.
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>>701622476
I just keep this with me.
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Cause people kill guns, and cuz I'm broke af
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>>701641389
>>701640470
Also forgot terrorists. I would hate to end up like France.
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>>701640570
>Maybe if you had a large war on your land
US population in 1860 was ~31.5 million
~640 thousand soldiers died in the Civil War
with ~50 thousand civilian casualties
0.69/31.5=0.02
2% of the US population died in that war
in WW1 the various European nations lost between 2% (Australia) and 8% (Serbia and the Austral-Hungarian territories in the Balkans) with all belligerents combined losing between 3% and 4%
we had a war on par with your land grabs
and even then we felt that civilian ownership of firearms was a good idea
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>>701641529
How much did you drop on those sick enchants, bruh?
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>>701641482
I don't understand this question. Haven't we been watching the same news? Its not like we are living under a rock.
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>>701641389
Unless you're living in the wilds of Alaska......rioters and looters...maybe you should spend more time bettering yourself and less time obsessing about your guns so you won't have to live in such a place. Real threats for a 99 plus % of society? Not even.
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>>701641119
I agree. I should have, but didn't. It happened so fast and I had just woken up as soon as I heard the bang from that door coming off the hinges after they kicked it in.
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>>701641312
kek
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>>701641718
I got it for free
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>>701641403

That's a very nice AK. And nice bakelite mags as well
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>>701641574
Neat but why is there a Jimmy Neutron logo on it?

>>701641641
As long as your a law abiding citizen an not a dindu or potential edgy school shooter you could at least get kel tec 380 or a cheap derringer anon.

Even poor fags have options anon.
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>>701640719
To learn from mistakes, yes that makes us morons. *sigh* you're amazing.

>>701640765
I'm not British so why would I care? You're still not making any sense. Are you British? Are you American? All you seeming to be is a bit of a muppet.

>>701640787
With firearms. Sure, defend yourself by knowing how to stop people hitting you, or simply run away from them. If people want your stuff, and threaten violence, give them your stuff and report it to the police and your insurance company. Then the police will look for the people who stole your stuff and you get a payout from the insurance company and buy new stuff. "Things" aren't worth the chance of getting killed.

>>701640818
Sorry, that's a uniquely US issue. If guns were harder to get, the thieves wouldn't have had guns. I know the old argument is that only thieves would have them but if there were less on the streets, then they'd be more expensive to get and a thief is, generally by definition, poor. Only organised crime syndicates have weapons usually where I live, and they don't want to shoot normal people (only other gangs' members) as it'll bring too much negative attention to the gang from the authorities. So generally, they behave themselves. That's how all gangs work.

>>701641702
a civil war isn't the same by any stretch of the imagination. WW1 and 2 were only the most recent large wars in Europe. We've had centuries of war. One little civil war in the US is hardly anything. 50K civilians? That's really fuck all. Don't even start saying "oh we're just the same" as you're not. You had a few thousand civilians die in WW2 so your population doesn't know actual war. If it did, things might be different.
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>>701641641
Meant to reply to this post >>701641583

An thats just if you want a good cheap pistol. Also plenty of revolvers options for poor fags too.
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>>701622476
short answer. Im canadian. Cant really own one here. But the plus side is most people here get stabbed rather than shot so im probably better off knowing a martial art than a gun cause im not a pussy.
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>>701622476
That range looks very familiar.
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>>701622476
Because i don't need it? I don't need it to kick someone's ass. And if no one can buy some weapon, i don't need to be protected from someone else got one.
If i live in a tard's prehistoric country where everyone got one, may i buy some.
Like lamborghini you'll never drive 180 mph irl, weapon except if your syrian or someone close too, is just compensation for penis size.
Apologize for english.
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I just bought my 1st AR-15 lower receiver today for 120 spikes tactical
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>>701642312
>If guns were harder to get, the thieves wouldn't have had guns.

Really? Because I would have to say that weapons around the world are very prevalent despite many international laws
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>>701642141
I think that's S&W's logo for their scandium/titanium frames to distinguish them from the aluminum/steel construction.
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Cuz I own a moist nugget.
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>>701642312
>We've had centuries of war.
and yet is wasn't until you had a 30-50 year stretch of peace that you decided to disarm civilians
and
how many of those wars were due to armed civilians?
almost none of them
how many were due to greedy governments and large standing armies?
almost all of them
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>>701622476
Because I'd prefer something other than a glorified .22 to rely on for self defense.

Ever get into a sticky situation and "whelp hold on, let me get my boom stick out of the closet"? No, probably not, because you'd be dead instead of posting dumb threads.

Pistol for self defense, unless you're a moron.
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>>701641899
>Unless you're living in the wilds of Alaska
Or you know camping around in the PNW

>rioters and looters
Yes these are threats that can and do appear around America, watched the news lately?

>maybe you should spend more time bettering yourself and less time obsessing about your guns
Why can't I do both? Guns are a great hobby and are very useful. Also its not me I'm worried about, I practice my aim every week.
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>>701642312
>To learn from mistakes, yes that makes us morons
Your mistake was weakness.
And, yes, you're morons to repeat that mistake.
Weakness is NEVER a virtue, Faggot.
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>>701641917
need to get a mate or two of urs and do those Navy Seal CQB blacked-out goggles training drills.
Really get you into the fighting spirit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9K_BKxZh34

couldn't find the exact one but it's in one of the parts of this Class of 234 show
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>>701642640
That's pretty neat, thanks for informing anon.
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>>701622476
Because I'm not mentally stable for it.
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Because I'm a 20 year old poorfag living with rich parents who can barely afford to feed my lifting appetite, in addition to all the other shit like cars, house and phone bills, groceries for themselves, etc.

I have, however, been wanting to save up for a FAMAS. Damn sexy looking gun, able to spit out all the bullets I could ever wanna spit out, and it's fairly compact for the kind of gun it is. What does /b/ think of the FAMAS?
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>>701642452
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>>701643366
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>701622476
AK>AR
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>>701643520
Calm down, Ahmed.
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>>701642312
>With firearms. Sure, defend yourself by knowing how to stop people hitting you, or simply run away from them. If people want your stuff, and threaten violence, give them your stuff and report it to the police and your insurance company. Then the police will look for the people who stole your stuff and you get a payout from the insurance company and buy new stuff. "Things" aren't worth the chance of getting killed.

You say that like I can't have a gun and run away. Its just another option. Bullets are great at getting people to stop hitting you. Also fuck that give them your stuff and run away shit. If I want to stand my ground and protect what's mine I will. If I want to run away and protect my stuff I will. If I have to choose between my life or my stuff obviously my life is more important, but that doesn't mean I have to throw up a white flag every time a someone wants my stuff.
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>>701643520
>AK>AR

Unless you actually want to hit what you're aiming at.
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>>701642637
Have you tried to get weapons in many countries or are you basing that on what the media reports about "bad people" in other countries?

>>701642847
I agree, they were. However, you're also meant to improve society, not maintain it at its current level. Guns are only necessary if your society is below a moral and socio-economic threshold. Europe improved theirs.

We also know that a society runs at the speed of the slowest person. The slow people are the idiots who, if they had weapons, would go out and kill lots of people. Hence, we try to remove the possibility of that happening. We all give up our guns and everyone has less of a risk of being shot.

Look at Australia. No mass shootings in over 20 years since stricter gun control. Not saying guns aren't out there because they are. It's just there are far far fewer in the hands of those with socio-economic issues.
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>>701643520
Agreed.

>"Shit, dropped my AR, guess that's it."

Meanwhile, run over an AK with a tank and soak it in mud; good to go.
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>>701642350
Gun beats knife anon
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>>701643701
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I have no reason to own one. I don't live in a third world shithole.
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>>701628484
>poor penetration
When compared to the Real Fucking NATO you're using, sure. But it's still an intermediate cartridge. It'll fuck a nigga up.
>full auto
Vietnam-era M14s had a select-fire feature. Look it up. It was fucking radical.
>30 round mag
Since when was having moar boolit bad?

Seriously m8, I'm absolutely sure your rifle is lovely, but that's not any reason to hate on the old AR.
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Because I don't live in negroland so I don't need one.
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>>701622476
cuz it jams.
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>>701644171
Is fun not a good enough reason?
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>>701644314
>Because I don't live in negroland so I don't need one.
Don't worry, negroland is coming to you.
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>both side of family owns one
>no worries
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>>701625196
>calling a mag a clip
>"clip"
jeez
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>>701643701
>Look at Australia.
pic related
>No mass shootings in over 20 years since stricter gun control.
and how many mass shootings were there in the ~100 years prior to that ban?
by your logic penguins are a foolproof defense against polar bears because there are no polar bears in antartica
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>>701643635
Why run the risk of getting shot. Plus, new stuff!

Also, it's not hard to not get your stuff stolen in the first place. Live in a better neighbourhood. Don't walk down that dark alley. Y'know, simple stuff.

>>701643921
And how many of those murders involved guns? Deaths in America includes everything, including old age, car crashes etc. Of course it's going to be far larger percentage. Funny how an "unbiased" image is surprisingly biased by not showing the non-natural causes statistic
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>>701644456
it doesnt really rustle me but yeah i got mags.
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>>701644465
cry more


Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea:
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare,
In history's page let every stage
Advance Australia fair,
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
We'll toil with hearts and hands,
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands,
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share,
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia fair.
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>>701644378
That's the best/only reason. All other reasons are stupid. You keep your gun. You don't seem delusional - what are you doing here? :)
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>>701644606
You're an idiot.
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>>701644720
translation
>a valid point I can't refute
>I will insult the person that made the point then try to forget what was said by singing a nationalist chant
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>>701644720
>not an argument
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>>701644606

Did you know that you are 5 times more likely to be struck and killed by lightning than you are by a bullet from an assault rifle? Or that you are 50 times more likely to die by choking to death on chewing gum?
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>>701644917
>>701644927
CLICK ON THE IMAGE
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>>701644606
I like my old stuff just fine thanks.

>>701644858
There are plenty of other good reasons to own a gun. Fun is just one of many.
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>>701645073
>I sure showed them with my memes
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>>701645188

Ban all knives NOW!!
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>>701626437
why mock dissipator with shit rail?
look in the mirror degenerate
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The odds of me having to engage anyone in body armor in a fire fight are remarkably low so for home defense over penetration becomes both a factor and an issue.
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>>701645309
>Ban all knives NOW!!
no
just ban assault knives
except for the police, they need assault knives to keep assault knives out of the hands of criminals
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>>701644378
That is a good reason actually. I'd definitely own a gun just for the fun of it.
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>>701645360
>5.56
>penetrates body armor
What a meme
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Because AR-15's are fairy ineffective at protecting ones family and home, compared to a shotgun or large calibered handgun, and what do I have to protect my country from, exactly?
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>>701630827
were you a good boy who didn't do anything?
>>701629468
why do you think a shotgun is better for HD than a rifle?
>inb4 rifles over penetrate but im using buckshot lol
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>>701622476
My license only alow me to own one type of firearm. Naturally I stuck with my finger gun so I can finger bang your girlfriend all night.
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>>701645614
You protect the country from Itself anon.
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>>701645730
Meaning?
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>>701645492

Indeed. We peasants only need butter knives.
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>>701628638
Well as long as your not a cartel drug lord or a dindu you should take up arms for your own safety, only criminals an few people who value their lives own guns.

Be someone who values their life instead of someone cucked to death by politicians, an drug lords. Just get a simple an practical pistol in 9mm or 380 an don't be some fagget who shows of his gun like a stereotypical red neck.
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>>701645614
>and what do I have to protect my country from, exactly?
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>>701625223
eh defends fredam adn doesnt afreid of anythang
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>>701644465
>pic related
Yep, because that makes sense...

>and how many mass shootings were there in the ~100 years prior to that ban?
by your logic penguins are a foolproof defense against polar bears because there are no polar bears in antartica
Hello strawman, how are you?

>>701644865
You're paranoid, and in charge of a deadly weapon. I'm glad I don't live near you.

>>701645124
>There are plenty of other good reasons to own a gun. Fun is just one of many
Not really, unless you mean you like cleaning it or something. Using it as a display piece? Propping up your ego? Making your penis feel larger? As a scare tactic because you're big and scary and paranoid?

>>701644997
Yep, and accidents happen. Same with the "but knives kill people, and cars. Why don't we ban them?" arguments. Guess what a guns ONLY purpose is. ONLY purpose. To kill. Cars, knives, lightning, chewing gum etc are all something else before they're used as implements of killing.
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>>701645584
steel core 5.56 (green tip) does
at least soviet body armor
this turned into a weakness in Iraq and Afghanistan
the round would pass through the unarmored people strung out on the adrenaline of combat w/o them missing a beat
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>>701645909
Yep, you're more qualified with your AR and militia Bros, than, say the largest military force on earth, to deal with the Muslim menace. Sure guy.
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>>701638741
>invented a gun
please.
>a rifle which has played a critical role in history
>a design which has been praised and denounced, served hero and villain alike, both liberated and enslaved, it carries with it moral responsibility
>to know this rifle is to better understand history and mankind
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>>701645809
Tyranny anon. To defend against tyranny. Literally why we have the second amendment in the first place.
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>>701645639
That doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. I doubt it ever really happened in the US. Maybe a few people, who were walking around in clearly stupid areas.

So basically, the picture is saying "if you have a gun, you can walk through the ghetto in peace". In most countries, we have street smarts and we choose not to walk through the ghetto to start off with. After all, why would we? It's dangerous and not a very nice place to be so we'd go a nicer route. Nicer routes don't include the risk of being killed. Hence we don't need a gun. That's just human nature and not being arrogant.
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>>701645938
>Guess what a guns ONLY purpose is. ONLY purpose. To kill.

If that is true, then why are they only wanting to ban so-called 'assault rifles'? Especially since 95% of all gun-related deaths are committed by criminals who are using handguns. So, why don't they go after handguns instead? Doesn't that seem a little backwards?
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>>701645938
>There are plenty of other good reasons to own a gun. Fun is just one of many
>Not really, unless you mean you like cleaning it or something.

Spent an hour this evening sitting on my deck and shooting squirrels & chipmunks raiding my garden.
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>>701646397
So its to fight an overreaching government? Not trying to shill, but holy shit, you think you stand a chance against the government? Wew lad. You realize it's now legal for them to airstrike you before you even get to use your gun, right?
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>>701645642
>why do you think a shotgun is better for HD than a rifle?
>>inb4 rifles over penetrate but im using buckshot lol
my tube is loaded with (in order of round fired)
>beanbag
>salt
>Nos. 4 shot until full
I also like shotguns for the pucker factor
staring down a big gauge barrel leaves no chance of the target thinking that are not about to get fucked up
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>>701646187
Grow up, Little girl.
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>>701645909
>But Islam is a religion of peace an will surely assimilate into the west, don't be racist to Arabs an North Africans.

It's funny how SJWs are unironically racist themselves because they seem to believe every Arab an North African practices Islam, in fact before the migrant crisis a large amount of the immigrants coming to the west weren't Islamist or were at least not Wahhabis but people who studied something worth coming to the west for.

We should encurage SJWs to actually read a Koran for once.
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>>701645938
>Hello strawman, how are you?
so we're pointing out logical fallacies now
how is your false correlation doing?
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>>701646752
You got me, witty as ever Earl. Absolutely deconstructed my argued.
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>>701646057
interestingly enough i'd rather shoot m855 at my steel targets than m193.
the higher velocity lead core shit actually tears shit up harder not to mention produces some horrifying wounds when you're within fragmentation velocity range.
>Of the cartridges tendered, the 5.56×45mm NATO was successful, but not the 55 gr M193 round used by the U.S. at that time. Instead, the Belgian 62 gr SS109 round was chosen for standardization. The SS109 used a heavier bullet with a seven grain steel core for better penetration against lightly armored targets,specifically to meet a requirement that the bullet be able to penetrate through one side of a steel helmet at 600 meters. It had a slightly lower muzzle velocity but better long-range performance. This requirement made the SS109 (M855) round less capable of fragmentation than the M193 and was considered more humane.[9]

>>701646444
why are you abiding niggers instead of removing them? are you italian or something?

>>701646731
why not just shoot them when you shoot them the first time? you going to collect good guy points from someone somewhere?
if you need to shoot to begin with, you need them to be shot proper.
you shouldn't be virtue signaling with bean bags when your or your families' lives are on the line.
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>>701646444
>In most countries, we have street smarts and we choose not to walk through the ghetto to start off with.
That's not "street smarts".
That's FEAR.
Possibly COWARDICE.
Undoubtedly PUSSY.
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>>701645938
>Not really, unless you mean you like cleaning it or something. Using it as a display piece? Propping up your ego?
No killing things. Inb4 like what? >>701641389
We have been over this. You are literally going in circles now. Also guns can be very pretty too

>Making your penis feel larger? As a scare tactic because you're big and scary and paranoid?
Why are you constantly bringing up dicks and paranoia. Honestly it seams like you are projecting at this point.
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>>701633387
>It's not superior, it's the cheapest design that best fit the requirements

>Implying this is not how every government contract works
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