There are people who are unironically pro-choice.
Try to prove that abortion is not murderer.
>protip: you can't
I'm not pro-choice.
"Murdering" an embryo isn't quite the same as murdering a fully developed person, infact, an embryo doesn't fully develop nerves until months into pregnancy, meaning it doesn't feel anything and it's termination is painless. An embryo is no different from the jizz (they're both a bundle of cells), so if you believe abortion is immoral, then you should also believe MASTURBATING is immoral. No notable intellectual actually opposes abortion.
Personally me, I'm a pro choice because what if the parents don't have the money or skills of raising children? And before you say adoption, adoption services would get full if we did a ban on abortion or did that ' cases of rape are the exception' thing
Abortion is 100% murder. Just legal. Like war. It's organized, carefully thought out mass murder. You can find legalized murder all over the place. Besides if my kid was born with some kind of life crippling deformity I'd mercy kill him too.
I see, the pray the gay away camp worked for you, OP. You are a real deep south trash retard now. Good job.
I would say late term abortion is murder
Good thing the vast majority of abortion is done within the first few weeks when it's just a blood clot, murder or not it dosnt matter, if you make abortion illegal it dosnt stop abortion it just stops safe abortion and promotes DIY abortion.
Only theocrocies make abortion illegal.
In most places you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks, but 24 weeks has always been the cut off.
But by week 8, your baby starts moving around. Has lungs and nerve cells that form primitive neural pathways.
Week 9 they have ears.
Week 10 there limbs can bend and nails are starting to form.
Week 11 they are kicking, stretching and even hiccuping.
Week 12 they can move their toes and fingers.
By week 13 they have finger prints.
You get the point. It's no longer jizz at a certain point, and it becomes a human right issue. And that point is no where near 24 weeks, but more like at most week 11. It's not "jizz" at week 11 (or maybe even before that) it's a growing human and it's sick how a lot of women just murder there babies.
Not only that but they are proud of it. Sick as fuck.
All you Christian and Republican cucks are only pro-life until the child is born, then you just say fuck it. You cut any welfare payments that might help the child grow up outside of poverty, you demonise the single mum, you are ambivalent if the child is murdered in a school shooting as long as you can keep your AR15s, if the child is black, you are happy for the police to shoot him and you are all in favour of the death penalty, Fucking hypocrites.
Even hippies that don't eat meat will make most fish an exception because of how low their intelligence is. When is a baby more intelligent than a trout? Anytime before that we should kill them without any hang ups, even if they've already been born.
Still legal in my country and payed for by the government
Also you make abortion ilegal and it won't stop abortion, lots of things you can get on the street that cause miscarriage and lots if people go that route if they can't get a clinical abortion.
let's end this real quick using the 4 step argument to success
1 ) Is a cell considered life ? YES
2 ) Is a fetus composed of and made up of CELLS ? YES
3 ) Are those cells unique from the mothers cells and fathers cells ? YES
4 ) Are those cells Human ? YES
Conclusion: Unique human life.
Well even with it being sick I don't care if people have abortions or not.
But it is what it is, murdering babies. BUT I don't care if people have them or not, as long as my taxes don't pay for them, w/e.
I don't want to make it illegal, even if it is sick as fuck. Like I said just don't want to pay with taxes.. which we won't ever.
No brain no murder faggot. You can't murder a banana because a prego woman could eat it and turn it into a baby
why the fuck would you want a god damned baby OP who gives a shit if it's murder it's too fucking stupid and little to realise what's going on anyway so fuck that baby it needs to fuck off
Of the millions of sperm cells racing to fertilize the egg, only one will make it, and the rest will become denatured and die. You cannot possibly save all sperm cells in any instance of ejaculation. So what's one more?
who cares if it's murder
'hurr durr killing is bad' is babbys first moral reasoning
at the end of the day once that egg is fertilised, one day that kid will die
does it really matter if it's before it ever has to suffer?
It's murdering babies. If you want to have an abortion fine, but at least admit it's killing babies.
Also you're an idiot, but week 10 they have a brain, kidneys, intestines, liver, ext. And we allow abortions up to 24 weeks in most places.
Well, why don't you just become a Jainist then, faggot. If every single living cell is so magical... You're killing millions every time you wash your hands that are no less intelligent than the cells that make up a zygote.
Holy fuck, that must be the biggest strawman of the year.
Cry some moar democRAT.
It's your policies which are setting up Americans, especially black Americans, to fail in the first place.
Ever notice how places with violent nigger ghettos are democrat run? (Chicago, Detroit, LA, etc.)
Abortion is murder.
But murder is not necessarily wrong.
>1 ) Is a cell considered life ? YES
2 ) Is a fetus composed of and made up of CELLS ? YES
3 ) Are those cells unique from the mothers cells and fathers cells ? YES
4 ) Are those cells Human ? YES
Are omelets delicious? YES
When a fertilized egg attaches successfully to the wall of a woman's uterus it gets direct access to her blood stream. This is what the umbilical cord is for. At this point, the pregnant female effectively becomes a chimera. Her blood can contain two different sets of DNA.
It has even been recorded that if a pregnant woman gets injured severely, the zygote/fetus will release stem cells into her blood stream to help aid in the repair of her body. This could possibly alter her DNA permanently (though it has not be confirmed).
It is also very easy to get a fertilized egg to attach to lots of surfaces in a lab environment. They have even been able to get a fertilized egg to attach to artificial membranes. It is exceptionally difficult for a fertilized egg to attach to the interior wall of a uterus. Medically, the uterus is extremely inhospitable.
This has evolved deliberately so that only the most genetically perfect zygotes succeed. It's exceptionally common for women to abort pregnant eggs on their own naturally because their body just deems them to be a bad genetic match or not good enough.
Moral of the story:
Women naturally abort more babies than planned parenthood ever could.
It's not a human until it can live without an umbilical cord. If it has a cord, it's an organ.
Under US law, if it's an organ, you have the right to cut it out whenever you want.
If the parents want to abort the baby, why the fuck would you want the baby to come into the world? You are far more evil then they because you want this child to grow up in a world that doesn't want it, to grow up in a system that wants to fuck it (literally and figuratively) only to grow up to become something just like the abusers that destroyed what should of been a happy and loving childhood. If you have never been in the system then you don't know shit about what it's like not having anyone love you, the only people caring for you do it for a monthly check while you and seven other children are used as labor or other things. You pro lifers don't give a shit what happens to the baby after it's born, that's not pro life, that's pro suffering. Shit down and shut up, faggot.
The only real reason that abortions happen is because of materialistic mothers who're so selfish that they would kill a living thing just to keep their body in 'good' shape. Just because something is inside your vagina doesn't mean you have a right to kill it.
And to >>701527812 except the cells I'm killing when I wash my hands will not turn into a living HUMAN capable of doing much more than a mere bacteria cell, moron.
I remember a story about a young girl, maybe eight years old, who was repeatedly raped by her step-father and somehow became pregnant. Her body wasn't ready for a baby and having the baby would probably kill her. But people didn't want her to have an abortion and pushed the government into not letting her have the procedure and to carry the baby to term. They came up with the stupidest reasons to try and justify putting the poor girl who was a victim of rape for many years through this ordeal. Things from "the baby's life is more important," to "she got pregnant, now she has to deal with it," to even "lol make the dad pay child support." It was on that day that I lost a little faith in humanity. I don't remember if she ever made it out okay, but I remember her story because it reminds me that there is no such thing as black or white, especially when it comes to life and death.
>"Vnique Hvman Life" obviovsly we pvt more valve on hvman life than other species dumbfvck.
The fetus is not really unique from the mother. They share the same blood. Technically, from a medically standpoint, a fetus is chimeric. The mother is also chimeric while pregnant.
The rest of the things you said are stupid and irrelevant.
And omelets are not fertilized.
Except that's in democratic areas... black ghettos are pretty much mini Africas. They cannot speak proper English, and act like monkeys when another one of their nigger thugs are shot like the criminals they are. Are you saying they have more education than an America-loving southern man who wants to keep his right to bear arms? If yes, you're simply mentally challenged.
>teen pregnancy rates
What? 8 out of the 9 most homeless states in America are not in the south. The number one homeless state in America is California, heavily democratic.
You're an idiot.
Lol no lots of reasons it happens, medical financial, sometimes yes stupid teens use it like birth control that is wrong but if you think all abortions are because of that you are probably a 15 year old who's never had a GF who's had an abortion and probably live in your mom's basement.
>The cells you're aborting will not turn into a living HUMAN capable of jack shit, hence the abortion, retard.
This just gave me brain damage. So according to you the stages of life don't happen? Fetuses don't turn into Humans? Then how the fuck are any of us even here right now?
Yep, you're a fucking moron. Ironic that you're calling me retarded.
Every single atom on the planet has the potential to become a human life at some point. Potential to be something does not something make. The cells you scramble and vacuum out a snatch have neither gained or lost any of the potential for human life.
imagine you have a fungus growing on your ass. Its just a pile of cells, some matter that was placed on/in your body by some outer influence. You feed the fungus through your body and it grows and grows. Eventually, it might become something big and beautiful, it might even kill you and spread further, which ,I can only imagine, would be a great achievement for a fungus. It doesnt really have a consience, but it can still react in some way to outer stimuli.
Now you cut it out, or kill it with medicine. All these cells die, all the dna saved in their nuclei is lost, all the potential it might have had is forever gone... But thats ok because you didnt want it in your body, you didnt want your life to be ruined by it and at the end of the day it was only a fucking pile of biomatter...
Picture yourself standing at the edge of a skyscraper holding an embryo in one hand, and a newborn baby in the other. You have to drop one and let it fall hundreds of feet all the way to the ground. Which one do you drop? Most people would drop the embryo without any hesitation because IT IS NOT A PERSON YET
Ah, the 'mom's basement' comeback/meme. Popular among college age Libtards who think they're something useful.
Financial? Well instead of killing your own DNA that will eventually become capable of doing a lot of things, how about NOT fuck in the first place and have some goddamn responsibility?
Medical? The only other one that is understandable besides when a rape happens.
Even then, as said above. If you have to have an abortion because you or the baby might die, don't fuck in the first place. Simple.
>I think its funny that the people who are against abortion aren't willing to pay for the well being of the unaborted fetuses when they are born.
>Women are going to get abortions ayways
>Might as well give them a safe place to do it.
>The fetus isn't even going to remember anything.
>I never remember being a fetus and thinking "Gee I hope I don't get aborted!"
The only people that want abortion made ilegal are those who live in theocrocies and support sharia law.
So basicly the middleast and American conservatives.
>tfw republicans and radical Muslims are the same people.
But it will become one if you let the natural process happen.
If you're such a scumbag to kill off a living being that is part of you and the woman you love, you might as well jump too.
Picture yourself in a rood of the old world trade center, you have to cut one of two ropes, one a maxim model who wants to fuck you, the other holds an old beggar who seems vulgar an you dont know. you have to cut one, most people ould cut the beggar because he is not yet a person (to you at least).
>omelets are made from unfertilized eggsthey're much closer to periods than abortions
Then I'll have a baked fetus, thank you.
Babies are disgusting
Fetuses are gross
People are worthless
I don't care if they die
So go ahead and save having to listen to your spoiled white trash baby screaming in the grocery store and ninja blender that little fuck before it is even a person.
You don't understand pregnancy I know, it's not that simple bruv, some times you want a baby but shit happens during pregnancy and you need to abort or you use protection but get pregnant and you can't take care of it so your options are raise it in poverty or put it up for adoption.
In the end YOU don't like abortion and that's fine but you can't impose your own feelings on others.
Seriously the "if you don't want it don't fuck" argument is only used by those who have never faced abortion IRL or are children who think everything is black and white.
Silly theocracy, freedom is for non sharia law states.
Not to fuck in the way that creates a child*
Do I have to keep adding on to my words for your small brain to understand?
>inb4 "moving derr goalposts"
Fine. Let's say it is murder. It should still be legal murder just like in self defense, war, etc.
Either way you're a retard if you think people should be forced to birth children they don't want.
Did you somehow not understand?
"Financial? how about NOT fuck in the first place and have some goddamn responsibility?"
I'm not saying to either have the child or abort it if you have financial problems, DON'T FUCK IN THE WAY THAT CREATES A CHILD.
Not everything is so black and white. What if the guy tries to use a condom, but the girl secretly poked a hole in it because she wants to get pregnant? Is the guy just fucked?
>Seriously the "if you don't want it don't fuck" argument is only used by those who have never faced abortion IRL or are children who think everything is black and white.
The 'don't fuck' argument is used by those who want people to have some responsibility in life.
How does saying "if you can't raise a child, don't fuck in the first place so you don't have to kill it either" make you a 'child who only sees in black and white'? It's a reasonable argument.
>you use protection but get pregnant
Birth control. Anal. There are alternatives. You don't always have to fuck the pussy, just because you're irresponsible enough to do so, when you understand the risks, doesn't mean you can abort it because of your own stupidity.
Are you retarded? I'm talking about a general quality of life in States, not cherry picking individual cities.
1. New Mexico - 80/1000
2. Mississippi – 76/1,000
3. Texas – 73/1,000
4. Arkansas – 73/1,000
5. Louisiana – 69/1,000
6. Oklahoma – 69/1,000
46 Arkansas 18.7%
47 Kentucky 19.0%
48 Alabama 19.2%
49 Louisiana 19.9%
50 New Mexico 20.6%
51 Mississippi 21.9%
Education levels (% high school grads) bottom 6
Birth control bruv, people prevent pregnancy with birth control.
Abortion is just a last resort
Abortin is also A OK and is free in my country because I don't live in a theocracy so your opinions litteraly mean nothing to me.
Refer to >>701531210
Abortion isn't a proper alternative to birth control.
Not an argument.
Don't cum in her.
No, fuck your woman in the ass. Or use birth control pills. Or cum ON her instead of IN. Simple. Are you retarded?
Show me a single research paper that says that has ever happened. Or is even possible. You underestimate how quickly sperm will die if the temperature, pH, and other factors aren't perfect.
You probably think that if a guy cums in a pool it can get a chick pregnant, don't you?
I'll never understand why people are so against abortion. More abortion means less niggers. So tell me OP, how is that a bad thing exactly?
>Birth control bruv, people prevent pregnancy with birth control.
No shit. I have even said that, are you fucking blind?
>Abortin is also A OK and is free in my country because I don't live in a theocracy
Lol yes because not wanting to murder babies = theocracy. What if the people who invented things we depend on today, were aborted, huh?
>so your opinions litteraly mean nothing to me.
Then why are you replying?
Fishing with low quality bait, you don't even have to try these days to get a thread full of reactions
Well life begins at conception with cell division and all that.
The only question is, does it matter? I myself was told as a child that i was just the lucky success after a series of abortions
I'll do better than that, I'll prove we should be paying women to get abortions.
1) Women who would accept this deal probably don't have the financial stability to raise a child. This leads to poverty and poverty leads to crime.
2) There are many scientific uses for dead babies. I'm not sure what they are because I'm not a scientist but when you can use something it's a commodity. You generally will pay for a commodity.
3)In regards to it being murder, murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, if abortion is legal, it can not be murder.
Because I enjoy makeing underage people butthurt
But seeing that I decimated your argument and anus I can stop replying now.
Have fun Muhammad, your vews on abortion are wrong and will stop existing withing 50 years.
Note that these are all fucking poor as shit states that constantly (and unsuccessfully) sue the federal government to try and get them to leave them alone so they can have lower taxes...
Incidentally, what does this data actually show you? Are the teens poor? Are the teens black or white or hispanic? Are they legal or illegal (Texas/New Mexico)?
California is the 5th largest economy in the entire world....hardly poor. Why are they on your list? They're also very dem.
But anal is. And, like I said what must've been 3 times now, don't cum inside her, go on the back or face. There are a lot of alternatives.
I like how you're samefagging this hard, and just saying "hes retarded durr idiot" without an argument. Kys.
So there's more idiots on the planet than I expeected?
Not 100% effective, but if you take birth control, + condom + pull out and cum onto her back or her ass or some shit, there's a 0.0001% chance of conception. You're literally just repeating shit that I refuted, then claiming I said it.
Obviously as an autonomous being in regard that it can use his will to live and choose whatever it likes im prochoice it is not as am i my parents, just let me get around this scheme to obtain food from anothers or from the ambient called job and i wil demostrate you why i am prochocice in like eight months. Protip:i am an embryo.
It's funny how you care so much about what happens to a person before they're born, but completely lose interest in them after they're born. Are you gonna raise other people's unwanted children? No? Then I kindly ask you to fuck off and mind your own business.
Actually we hardly use fetal stem cells anymore, the umbilical cord alone has more than enough of the best sort of stem cells and we can collect those from every birth, not just the abortions.
ya, but not having to care for overpopulation would free up a lot of resources, which could be used to make cool new tech. Like stem cell cloning, so you wouldn't need dead babies.
>Not wanting to kill a fetus is wrong
>I decimated your argument
You can't even spell properly, and your argument is horribly flawed. It's also funny how you think I'm 'butthurt' because I'm responding back.
It's also funny how you say I'm underage, yet millenials and Gen Z are more likely to AGREE with abortion than disagree.
Point is, you're just another idiotic Democrat who can't admit when he's wrong.
theres still a chance though even with all the precautions taken. So someone uses a condom and pulls out or finishes in the ass and also the girl is on birth control and then gets pregnant abortion is the last resort. No one is just cumming inside without any precautions and saying oh well I guess I'll just pay $500 if it happens. When birth control is free or dirt cheap and condoms are $5
I'm willing to admit that abortion is murder. And i want the legal ability to murder unborn babies to make my life and the lives of all currently living people easier.
If you wanna call it murder, fine. I don't care. I want that legal ability.
>Plus we should probably be eating the fetuses, seems wasteful
Gross, plus the potential for spreading disease is too high. Use them for livestock feed, just like every other disgusting protein source.
Which do you think would get higher prices at the grocery store, old baby bits or bacon and steak?
Murder is, by definition, a killing prohibited by law. The abortion of a fetus is not prohibited by law, and therefore cannot be, at this time in the United States, considered murder.
>So someone uses a condom and pulls out or finishes in the ass and also the girl is on birth control and then gets pregnant abortion is the last resort.
If you get pregnant from finishing in the ass, you're either too stupid to wipe off the cum that drips down near the pussy, or you have something wrong with your body.
>Why's California on your list?
It's a list of statistics ordered by magnitude and that is where California falls in the order. Are you aware of the meaning of the word "reality?"
Your skin cells are genetically distinct from your mother and father, but they're not genetically distinct from you.
Are you really so stupid that you didn't understand what he meant by that point?
>Lol yes because not wanting to murder babies = theocracy. What if the people who invented things we depend on today, were aborted, huh?
Gee, I dunno. What if the next Hitler or Mass Murderer was aborted? Then it would be ok?
>tfw using slippery slope to justify being anti-abortion
Legal ability to make my life easier from murdering, like having cheap oil from bombing lybia. thumbs up
>Answering my question with another question.
Actually, if Hitler was aborted the U.S. and especially NASA would be way behind in technology.
>not recognizing the question was to point out how asinine yours was
>still using slippery slope to justify
Yeah, nah. Maybe come back when you can manage to reason without logical fallacies. Meanwhile, read up.
>all the retards that can't fight back because it would be murder.
Dude, we get it. You're samefagging.
Just because we don't want to kill an evolving human life doesn't mean we won't kill to protect or defend, you fucking retard. Murder can be justifiable if the thing you're killing is threatening life. I don't think a fetus can jump out of a human and go on a shooting spree, dumbass.
Not my point. My point is even with precautions taken pregnancy can still happen. I'm not going to take care of a child because I can't afford it and don't want to. I'd put it up for adoption and it'd probably float around the foster system and have a shit life and push the cost onto society, as would my shitty parenting, but that way is easier for me. So I'll just abort it because I don't want to do any of that shit and I don't have to.
Not as dark as knowing is real.>>701533930
Really this two seems more reasonably, but havent you heard of crusades, they are exactly to protect something like that.
I'm pro-abortion. Anyone under 21 should not have a child (if they are too irresponsible to drink, they are definitely too irresponsible to have a kid). If they have done any major crimes in the last year abortion should be mandatory. If the child-to-be has a major birth defect then abortion should be mandatory. If the female is over 37 abortion should be mandatory (due to egg degeneration).
A fetus doesn't even meet the standard of a living creature. It can't even survive without a host. And to compare it to a human in terms of intelligence, or just about any animal for that matter, is an insult. Even an ant is closer to a human than a fetus is. And if you want to ignore the mountains of evidence that point to that just look at this .gif. It is obviously just a cluster of cells responding to external stimuli.
>I'm not going to take care of a child because I can't afford it and don't want to.
>don't want to
So then we're back at point #1 then: Selfish parents.
>but that way is easier for me
Of course, you'd take the 'easier' way. People these days are lazy as fuck, holy shit. Maybe the rise in more democrats have something to do with it.
We can do them at the same time. That and an unwanted fetus just leads to an unhappy mother and maybe father, and likely an unhappy child. And that's assuming they are even financially ready for a child. If not, their lives suck even more and we waste tax payer money. Why do that when they could just wait and have one when it works out for everyone? Why make fucked up families when you can just not?
I'm sorry I put my own self interest above others I'll apologize and make sure everyone knows I care about them all more than I care about myself.
I'm saying a shitty parent not having a kid is better than a shitty parent having a kid.
Look faggot, a fetvs has vniqve DNA from its parents, it has hvman DNA, even single celled organisms are considered life, therefore it is life, made of hvman cells. Hence
Go fvck yovrself
The church doesn't want you to wear condoms, but they also don't want you to have an abortion. They just want as many numbers on their side for when they try to murder everyone from every other faith. They don't give a shit about fake babies' pseudo-lives.
Please read >>701535122
Not being in a position to be a good parent does not mean you'll never be one. A lot of people who get abortions already have a child or end up having one later. It's about being in a position to be a good parent. I don't want a kid, that makes me thing id probably be a shitty parent if I had a kid now. Resentment and all that. I think it's likely I'd want a kid in the next 5-10 years and at that point I think I'd be a great parent. I'm not full of hatred you faggot I like children and have love to give. Just not for my possible child not now. So saying hurr durr abort the parent is fucking retarted
If the fetus has less than 3 months, he has no mind or emotions, so is not human nor animal, it's a living being with no purpose, so if you "kill" him it won't matter
>even single celled organisms are considered life,
The reason a virus isn't "alive" is the same reason a fetus isn't. And if you think "killing" it is bad, then killing anything (plants included) is just as bad.
Turns out even just after birth it has so little that calling a human is somewhat intellectually dishonest. Though I'm fine with the current restrictions of abortion for the most part. Though if my child had a major condition like autism (and not the super high functioning kind) I would want to have him euthanized. Because I am sure as hell not raising him, and the foster care system is full of rape. But now if I don't want to sacrifice my life that's my only choice.