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There are people who are unironically pro-choice.

Try to prove that abortion is not murderer.
>protip: you can't
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>>701524716
>Try to prove that abortion is not murderer.>

God wants your baby
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>>701524716
There are people who troll on 4chan.

Try to prove that OP is not a faggot.
>protip: you can't
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There are people who unironically think that sperm and zygotes are the same as grown humans.
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>>701524716
I'm not pro-choice.
I'm anti-life.
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>>701524716
>>701524878
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>>701524716
To prove this i need to fuck each female you like each day until they are pregnant
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>>701524716
What's wrong with murder?
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>>701524716
Because removing a seed from the ground is not the same as chopping down a tree

>I win
>Checkem
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>>701524716
If OP had been aborted, the world would be a better place today.
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>>701524716
I don't need too

Abortion is legal and free nation wide in my country and nothing you do will change that.

Stay mad Murica
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>>701525128
>humans are comparable to plants
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>>701524716
"Murdering" an embryo isn't quite the same as murdering a fully developed person, infact, an embryo doesn't fully develop nerves until months into pregnancy, meaning it doesn't feel anything and it's termination is painless. An embryo is no different from the jizz (they're both a bundle of cells), so if you believe abortion is immoral, then you should also believe MASTURBATING is immoral. No notable intellectual actually opposes abortion.
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>>701525717
This is a troll thread bruv
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>>701525717
Masturbation is immoral you idiot. Jesus says so in the Bible.
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>>701525717
Has anyone ever actually not known that he was a peanut?
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>>701524918
kek
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>>701524888
Trips have spoken the truth
/thread
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>>701524716
> try to prove abortion is not murderer

Abortion isn't a murderer because abortion is not a proper noun and cannot be a murderer by definition
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>>701525935
Probably
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Personally me, I'm a pro choice because what if the parents don't have the money or skills of raising children? And before you say adoption, adoption services would get full if we did a ban on abortion or did that ' cases of rape are the exception' thing
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>>701524716
It is not necessary to 'prove' that abortion is not murder. Both terms are clearly defined in law, one is not the other.
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Abortion is 100% murder. Just legal. Like war. It's organized, carefully thought out mass murder. You can find legalized murder all over the place. Besides if my kid was born with some kind of life crippling deformity I'd mercy kill him too.
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>>701526256
+1
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sure abortion is murder but screaming children deserve to die
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>>701524716
I see, the pray the gay away camp worked for you, OP. You are a real deep south trash retard now. Good job.
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>>701524716
Why are you not pro-choice is the question.
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>>701526395
I would say late term abortion is murder

Good thing the vast majority of abortion is done within the first few weeks when it's just a blood clot, murder or not it dosnt matter, if you make abortion illegal it dosnt stop abortion it just stops safe abortion and promotes DIY abortion.

Only theocrocies make abortion illegal.
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>>701525717

In most places you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks, but 24 weeks has always been the cut off.

But by week 8, your baby starts moving around. Has lungs and nerve cells that form primitive neural pathways.

Week 9 they have ears.

Week 10 there limbs can bend and nails are starting to form.

Week 11 they are kicking, stretching and even hiccuping.

Week 12 they can move their toes and fingers.

By week 13 they have finger prints.

You get the point. It's no longer jizz at a certain point, and it becomes a human right issue. And that point is no where near 24 weeks, but more like at most week 11. It's not "jizz" at week 11 (or maybe even before that) it's a growing human and it's sick how a lot of women just murder there babies.

Not only that but they are proud of it. Sick as fuck.
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All you Christian and Republican cucks are only pro-life until the child is born, then you just say fuck it. You cut any welfare payments that might help the child grow up outside of poverty, you demonise the single mum, you are ambivalent if the child is murdered in a school shooting as long as you can keep your AR15s, if the child is black, you are happy for the police to shoot him and you are all in favour of the death penalty, Fucking hypocrites.
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Even hippies that don't eat meat will make most fish an exception because of how low their intelligence is. When is a baby more intelligent than a trout? Anytime before that we should kill them without any hang ups, even if they've already been born.
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>>701526755
Still legal in my country and payed for by the government

Stay mad

Also you make abortion ilegal and it won't stop abortion, lots of things you can get on the street that cause miscarriage and lots if people go that route if they can't get a clinical abortion.
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>>701524716
i dont think abortion is murder.

source
im a life.
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>>701527089
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let's end this real quick using the 4 step argument to success

1 ) Is a cell considered life ? YES
2 ) Is a fetus composed of and made up of CELLS ? YES
3 ) Are those cells unique from the mothers cells and fathers cells ? YES
4 ) Are those cells Human ? YES

Conclusion: Unique human life.
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>>701524716
Can't prove a negative, OP
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getting rid of some little embryo in your uterus inst murder, its like killing tiny bacteria in your colon, its a non self aware life form
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>>701527199

Well even with it being sick I don't care if people have abortions or not.

But it is what it is, murdering babies. BUT I don't care if people have them or not, as long as my taxes don't pay for them, w/e.

I don't want to make it illegal, even if it is sick as fuck. Like I said just don't want to pay with taxes.. which we won't ever.
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>>701526755
No brain no murder faggot. You can't murder a banana because a prego woman could eat it and turn it into a baby
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>>701527374
So? If it can't function on its own it's classed as non viable and you can dump it. For this reason late term abortion is bad but your avarage abortion is A OK
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>>701526256
this
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>>701524716
why the fuck would you want a god damned baby OP who gives a shit if it's murder it's too fucking stupid and little to realise what's going on anyway so fuck that baby it needs to fuck off
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>>701524888
/thread

Seriously. Perfect counter. Shows stupidity of argument.
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>>701525828
Of the millions of sperm cells racing to fertilize the egg, only one will make it, and the rest will become denatured and die. You cannot possibly save all sperm cells in any instance of ejaculation. So what's one more?
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>>701524716

who cares if it's murder

'hurr durr killing is bad' is babbys first moral reasoning
at the end of the day once that egg is fertilised, one day that kid will die
does it really matter if it's before it ever has to suffer?
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>>701527505

It's murdering babies. If you want to have an abortion fine, but at least admit it's killing babies.

Also you're an idiot, but week 10 they have a brain, kidneys, intestines, liver, ext. And we allow abortions up to 24 weeks in most places.
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>>701527374
Well, why don't you just become a Jainist then, faggot. If every single living cell is so magical... You're killing millions every time you wash your hands that are no less intelligent than the cells that make up a zygote.
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>>701527089
Holy fuck, that must be the biggest strawman of the year.

Cry some moar democRAT.

It's your policies which are setting up Americans, especially black Americans, to fail in the first place.

Ever notice how places with violent nigger ghettos are democrat run? (Chicago, Detroit, LA, etc.)
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>>701524716
Abortion is murder.
But murder is not necessarily wrong.
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>>701527374
>1 ) Is a cell considered life ? YES
2 ) Is a fetus composed of and made up of CELLS ? YES
3 ) Are those cells unique from the mothers cells and fathers cells ? YES
4 ) Are those cells Human ? YES

Are omelets delicious? YES
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>>701524888
Trips of truth
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>>701527815
another faux news conald chump echo chamber.
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>>701527815
Ever notice that all the places with the highest teen pregnancy rates, poorest education, highest poverty levels and most voter suppression are Republican (i.e. The South).
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>>701524716
When a fertilized egg attaches successfully to the wall of a woman's uterus it gets direct access to her blood stream. This is what the umbilical cord is for. At this point, the pregnant female effectively becomes a chimera. Her blood can contain two different sets of DNA.

It has even been recorded that if a pregnant woman gets injured severely, the zygote/fetus will release stem cells into her blood stream to help aid in the repair of her body. This could possibly alter her DNA permanently (though it has not be confirmed).

It is also very easy to get a fertilized egg to attach to lots of surfaces in a lab environment. They have even been able to get a fertilized egg to attach to artificial membranes. It is exceptionally difficult for a fertilized egg to attach to the interior wall of a uterus. Medically, the uterus is extremely inhospitable.

This has evolved deliberately so that only the most genetically perfect zygotes succeed. It's exceptionally common for women to abort pregnant eggs on their own naturally because their body just deems them to be a bad genetic match or not good enough.

Moral of the story:

Women naturally abort more babies than planned parenthood ever could.

It's not a human until it can live without an umbilical cord. If it has a cord, it's an organ.

Under US law, if it's an organ, you have the right to cut it out whenever you want.
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>>701524716
If the parents want to abort the baby, why the fuck would you want the baby to come into the world? You are far more evil then they because you want this child to grow up in a world that doesn't want it, to grow up in a system that wants to fuck it (literally and figuratively) only to grow up to become something just like the abusers that destroyed what should of been a happy and loving childhood. If you have never been in the system then you don't know shit about what it's like not having anyone love you, the only people caring for you do it for a monthly check while you and seven other children are used as labor or other things. You pro lifers don't give a shit what happens to the baby after it's born, that's not pro life, that's pro suffering. Shit down and shut up, faggot.
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>>701527927
omelets are made from unfertilized eggs
they're much closer to periods than abortions
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>>701528116
Wat

Highest teen pregnancy rate ever is Baltimore City. It's like 90% Democrat, and 100% black.
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>>701527527
The only real reason that abortions happen is because of materialistic mothers who're so selfish that they would kill a living thing just to keep their body in 'good' shape. Just because something is inside your vagina doesn't mean you have a right to kill it.

And to >>701527812 except the cells I'm killing when I wash my hands will not turn into a living HUMAN capable of doing much more than a mere bacteria cell, moron.
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I remember a story about a young girl, maybe eight years old, who was repeatedly raped by her step-father and somehow became pregnant. Her body wasn't ready for a baby and having the baby would probably kill her. But people didn't want her to have an abortion and pushed the government into not letting her have the procedure and to carry the baby to term. They came up with the stupidest reasons to try and justify putting the poor girl who was a victim of rape for many years through this ordeal. Things from "the baby's life is more important," to "she got pregnant, now she has to deal with it," to even "lol make the dad pay child support." It was on that day that I lost a little faith in humanity. I don't remember if she ever made it out okay, but I remember her story because it reminds me that there is no such thing as black or white, especially when it comes to life and death.
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>>701525344

They are comparable to humans, though.

>killing a weeks old fetus is not the same as killing a fully formed human being
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We should be able to abort up to like 6 months after it's born tbh.
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>>701528136
It's not a human until it can live on its own without financial support. If it's attached to your bank account, it's an organ.
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>>701527812
>"Vnique Hvman Life" obviovsly we pvt more valve on hvman life than other species dumbfvck.
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>>701524716
Is a fetus sentient? Can it suffer? The answer is no, as such it doesn't have rights. An adult dog should have more rights than a proto human.
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>>701527927
The fetus is not really unique from the mother. They share the same blood. Technically, from a medically standpoint, a fetus is chimeric. The mother is also chimeric while pregnant.

The rest of the things you said are stupid and irrelevant.

And omelets are not fertilized.
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>>701528284
The cells you're aborting will not turn into a living HUMAN capable of jack shit, hence the abortion, retard.
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>>701524716
I wish I had been aborted
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>>701528423
It's not a human life. Jesus, you people are fucking retarded.
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>>701528116
>poorest education
Except that's in democratic areas... black ghettos are pretty much mini Africas. They cannot speak proper English, and act like monkeys when another one of their nigger thugs are shot like the criminals they are. Are you saying they have more education than an America-loving southern man who wants to keep his right to bear arms? If yes, you're simply mentally challenged.
>teen pregnancy rates
Refer to>>701528271
>highest poverty
What? 8 out of the 9 most homeless states in America are not in the south. The number one homeless state in America is California, heavily democratic.

You're an idiot.
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>>701527897
Abortion is homicide. Murder is the crime of intentional homicide. GET EDUCATED FAGGOT
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Im pro-I don't fucking care
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>>701528284
Lol no lots of reasons it happens, medical financial, sometimes yes stupid teens use it like birth control that is wrong but if you think all abortions are because of that you are probably a 15 year old who's never had a GF who's had an abortion and probably live in your mom's basement.
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>>701524716
More money for abortion clinics means more tax paid.
More abortions means less stupid poorfags.
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Free abortions but you have to cut off one finger each time
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>>701528570
>The cells you're aborting will not turn into a living HUMAN capable of jack shit, hence the abortion, retard.

This just gave me brain damage. So according to you the stages of life don't happen? Fetuses don't turn into Humans? Then how the fuck are any of us even here right now?

Yep, you're a fucking moron. Ironic that you're calling me retarded.
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No one on this thread can argue their way out of a voluntary ass-raping by a Brazilian tranny.
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Every single atom on the planet has the potential to become a human life at some point. Potential to be something does not something make. The cells you scramble and vacuum out a snatch have neither gained or lost any of the potential for human life.
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>>701527505
k
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>>701524716
so muder if a unborn being isent a human or a person its a parasite and should be killed if the perent isent ready to look after the parasite
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>>701529231
In my country we have free abortions, but we arn't a theocracy like Saudi Arabia so we don't cut off limbs as punishment.

You're muslim right?
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Free abortions but 100 lashings
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>>701524716
Try to prove eating meat is not murder
>protip: most people don't give a fuck, as goes for abortion
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>>701529419
Islam pls go
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The fact that people give a shit baffles me.
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>>701524716
If baby is killed then that's what God wants.
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>>701528366
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>>701524716
imagine you have a fungus growing on your ass. Its just a pile of cells, some matter that was placed on/in your body by some outer influence. You feed the fungus through your body and it grows and grows. Eventually, it might become something big and beautiful, it might even kill you and spread further, which ,I can only imagine, would be a great achievement for a fungus. It doesnt really have a consience, but it can still react in some way to outer stimuli.
Now you cut it out, or kill it with medicine. All these cells die, all the dna saved in their nuclei is lost, all the potential it might have had is forever gone... But thats ok because you didnt want it in your body, you didnt want your life to be ruined by it and at the end of the day it was only a fucking pile of biomatter...
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>>701526743
Pretty much this
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>>701524716
>>701524918
/thread
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Wait abortions are free I punch you
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>>701524918
>thisguymainsReaper.jpg
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Picture yourself standing at the edge of a skyscraper holding an embryo in one hand, and a newborn baby in the other. You have to drop one and let it fall hundreds of feet all the way to the ground. Which one do you drop? Most people would drop the embryo without any hesitation because IT IS NOT A PERSON YET
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>>701528969
Ah, the 'mom's basement' comeback/meme. Popular among college age Libtards who think they're something useful.

Financial? Well instead of killing your own DNA that will eventually become capable of doing a lot of things, how about NOT fuck in the first place and have some goddamn responsibility?

Medical? The only other one that is understandable besides when a rape happens.

Even then, as said above. If you have to have an abortion because you or the baby might die, don't fuck in the first place. Simple.
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>>701524716
>I think its funny that the people who are against abortion aren't willing to pay for the well being of the unaborted fetuses when they are born.
>Women are going to get abortions ayways
>Might as well give them a safe place to do it.
>The fetus isn't even going to remember anything.
>I never remember being a fetus and thinking "Gee I hope I don't get aborted!"
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The only people that want abortion made ilegal are those who live in theocrocies and support sharia law.

So basicly the middleast and American conservatives.

>tfw republicans and radical Muslims are the same people.
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>>701529813
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>>701529813
>your own dna

A baby ain't a clone, you nignog.
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>>701529787
But it will become one if you let the natural process happen.

If you're such a scumbag to kill off a living being that is part of you and the woman you love, you might as well jump too.
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>>701524716
/thread
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>>701529643
You know how stupid and not-apt that analogy is right?
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>>701529813
Telling people not to fuck is like telling the sun not to rise.
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>>701524716
A baby is not another person till it's out of your body till then it's just self harm.
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>>701530072
oh yes of course i do... i thought this whole thread was bait, isnt it?
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>>701530069
You don't /thread your own post.

cuck.
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>>701524716
I have no religious input and I still believe in pro life
You can't kill someone because you couldn't pay enough attention to put on a condom like the slutty retard you are
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>>701528136
Stem cells from the child wouldn't really change the mother's DNA though. That's not how chimerism works.

Not arguing the point you're trying to make, just a small nitpick.
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>>701529787
Picture yourself in a rood of the old world trade center, you have to cut one of two ropes, one a maxim model who wants to fuck you, the other holds an old beggar who seems vulgar an you dont know. you have to cut one, most people ould cut the beggar because he is not yet a person (to you at least).
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>>701529949
A person is made up of DNA passed down from both parents. 46 chromosomes, 23 from one parent 23 from another.

Although you probably have 47.
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murder isn't always wrong. boom problem solved
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>>701528192
>omelets are made from unfertilized eggsthey're much closer to periods than abortions

Then I'll have a baked fetus, thank you.
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>>701524716
Babies are disgusting
Fetuses are gross
People are worthless
I don't care if they die
So go ahead and save having to listen to your spoiled white trash baby screaming in the grocery store and ninja blender that little fuck before it is even a person.
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>>701529813
You don't understand pregnancy I know, it's not that simple bruv, some times you want a baby but shit happens during pregnancy and you need to abort or you use protection but get pregnant and you can't take care of it so your options are raise it in poverty or put it up for adoption.

In the end YOU don't like abortion and that's fine but you can't impose your own feelings on others.

Seriously the "if you don't want it don't fuck" argument is only used by those who have never faced abortion IRL or are children who think everything is black and white.

Silly theocracy, freedom is for non sharia law states.
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>>701529813
I think aborting when you don't have the financial or emotional means to care for and raise a child is more responsible than having it.
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>>701530227
tell us more about virginity, please
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Iran will take all babies and raise them in the ways of Islam
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>>701530134
Not to fuck in the way that creates a child*

Do I have to keep adding on to my words for your small brain to understand?

>inb4 "moving derr goalposts"
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>>701528136

it is a human, it is a human fetus
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>>701530227
Uh that's not the only reason abortions happen, many many reasons when abortion is needed.

Oh well good thing it's free in my country.
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If you believe the religious shit that fetuses are alive, then they should go to heaven when aborted. Can you imagine heaven with a bunch of fetuses laying around everywhere?
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Fine. Let's say it is murder. It should still be legal murder just like in self defense, war, etc.

Either way you're a retard if you think people should be forced to birth children they don't want.
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>>701530438
No birth control is 100% effective.
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>ITT advocates of Sharia law in America
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>>701530067
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im for abortion because we don't need to double the nigger population
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>>701530543
Murder is.
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>>701530543
He's a child who's never had sex he dosnt understand.
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>>701530295
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>>701530370
Did you somehow not understand?
"Financial? how about NOT fuck in the first place and have some goddamn responsibility?"

I'm not saying to either have the child or abort it if you have financial problems, DON'T FUCK IN THE WAY THAT CREATES A CHILD.
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>>701524716
>mfw alt rightist suddenly value human life because liberals are pro abortion
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>>701530740
You need to be 18 or over to use this site bruv
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>>701526256
Kek
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>>701524716
That is working on the baseline assumption that killing babies is somehow wrong.

Objectively speaking, what's wrong with killing babies?
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>>701530543
The way he worded it I think he's saying just put it in the ass or mouth.
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>>701530740
If someone gets pregnant from a rape what then?
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>>701530489
fetuses are alive. don't need religion to tell you that
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It's always funny to hear conservatives argue for pro-life when they'll shoot someone for stepping foot on their property and get their panties wet over state sanctioned executions.
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>>701530920
Ah, the Ass. Nature's Condom.
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>>701530740
Not everything is so black and white. What if the guy tries to use a condom, but the girl secretly poked a hole in it because she wants to get pregnant? Is the guy just fucked?
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>>701524716
Killing isn't wrong, except where it's murder. If we pass laws that allow it it is not murder, for murder is illegal killing. We have justified homicides all the time.
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>>701530740
Ok so only fuck dudes in the ass?
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>>701530920
He's retarded
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We need you babies for our sacred sacrifices
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>>701530338
>Seriously the "if you don't want it don't fuck" argument is only used by those who have never faced abortion IRL or are children who think everything is black and white.

The 'don't fuck' argument is used by those who want people to have some responsibility in life.

How does saying "if you can't raise a child, don't fuck in the first place so you don't have to kill it either" make you a 'child who only sees in black and white'? It's a reasonable argument.

>you use protection but get pregnant

Birth control. Anal. There are alternatives. You don't always have to fuck the pussy, just because you're irresponsible enough to do so, when you understand the risks, doesn't mean you can abort it because of your own stupidity.
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I don't know wheter the thing is alive or not, but I'd rather rip the shit from my body than suffer for months and then have the creature fuck up my genitals on it's way out.
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>>701530920
Anal can lead to accidental pregnancy. The two holes are only like an inch away; it's not a stretch to imagine that sperm could find their way from the ass to the vagina.
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>>701528820

Are you retarded? I'm talking about a general quality of life in States, not cherry picking individual cities.

Teen Pregnancy

1. New Mexico - 80/1000
2. Mississippi – 76/1,000
3. Texas – 73/1,000
4. Arkansas – 73/1,000
5. Louisiana – 69/1,000
6. Oklahoma – 69/1,000

Poverty Rates

46 Arkansas 18.7%
47 Kentucky 19.0%
48 Alabama 19.2%
49 Louisiana 19.9%
50 New Mexico 20.6%
51 Mississippi 21.9%

Education levels (% high school grads) bottom 6

Arkansas 82.4%
Louisiana 82.2%
Alabama 82.1%
Kentucky 81.7%
California 80.6%
Mississippi 80.4%
Texas 79.9%
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>>701528136
the umbilical cord and the placenta are the babies' organs - they have the baby's dna. none of these are organs of the mother
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>>701531249
Finish deep
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This is always a difficult issue for me, because I'm for chopping up babies but against letting women choose.
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>>701531266
Looks pretty solidly Republican
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>>701531210
Birth control bruv, people prevent pregnancy with birth control.

Abortion is just a last resort

Abortin is also A OK and is free in my country because I don't live in a theocracy so your opinions litteraly mean nothing to me.
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>>701531210
Again, no birth control is 100% effective. Life is messy, and accidents happen.
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>>701531372
>mandatory abortions for anyone who doesn't want one
the perfect solution
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>>701530543
Refer to >>701531210
Abortion isn't a proper alternative to birth control.
>>701530668
>ad hominems
Not an argument.
>>701531088
>>701530338
>>701530134
samefag
>>701531036
Don't cum in her.
>>701531067
No, fuck your woman in the ass. Or use birth control pills. Or cum ON her instead of IN. Simple. Are you retarded?
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>>701531450
He's an idiot anon
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>>701531249
Show me a single research paper that says that has ever happened. Or is even possible. You underestimate how quickly sperm will die if the temperature, pH, and other factors aren't perfect.

You probably think that if a guy cums in a pool it can get a chick pregnant, don't you?
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>>701524716
I'll never understand why people are so against abortion. More abortion means less niggers. So tell me OP, how is that a bad thing exactly?
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>>701531538
Abortion is free in my country

How does that make you feel?
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>>701531538
Heh, get a load of this guy advocating the pull-out method as a 100% effective form of birth control
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>>701531619
Because OP supports Sharia law
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women should be forced to have abortions if they want to be pregnant
otherwise, they should be impregnated and forced to carry the baby to term
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You have one month then must give us your babies
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>>701531210
I use condoms and don't finish inside the vagina and it still might happen. Small chance but chance none the less. If it happens that thing getting purged
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>>701531429
>Birth control bruv, people prevent pregnancy with birth control.
No shit. I have even said that, are you fucking blind?
>Abortin is also A OK and is free in my country because I don't live in a theocracy
Lol yes because not wanting to murder babies = theocracy. What if the people who invented things we depend on today, were aborted, huh?
>so your opinions litteraly mean nothing to me.
Then why are you replying?
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>>701531619
why not sterilize all the niggers?
abortion is not doing a good enough job
their populations are growing
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>>701531717
You need to be over the age of 18 to use this site
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>>701524716
If abortion is murder so is sanitizing your hands.

kek
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Fishing with low quality bait, you don't even have to try these days to get a thread full of reactions
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>>701531619
Because God said killing is bad, unless someone tries to steal your twinkie; then you can kill the shit out of them
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>>701524716
Well life begins at conception with cell division and all that.

The only question is, does it matter? I myself was told as a child that i was just the lucky success after a series of abortions
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>>701531619
You forgot that more abortions also means less whites
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>>701524716
I'll do better than that, I'll prove we should be paying women to get abortions.
1) Women who would accept this deal probably don't have the financial stability to raise a child. This leads to poverty and poverty leads to crime.
2) There are many scientific uses for dead babies. I'm not sure what they are because I'm not a scientist but when you can use something it's a commodity. You generally will pay for a commodity.
3)In regards to it being murder, murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, if abortion is legal, it can not be murder.
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>>701531671
It's actually just slightly less effective than using a condom, according to the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/index.htm
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>>701531780
Because I enjoy makeing underage people butthurt

But seeing that I decimated your argument and anus I can stop replying now.

Have fun Muhammad, your vews on abortion are wrong and will stop existing withing 50 years.
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>>701531243
>>701530069
>>701528136
/thread
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>>701531810
how old are you?
I'm 35
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>>701531931

Wouldn't it be a lot easier and cost effective to simply pay people to get sterilized.
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>>701531266
Note that these are all fucking poor as shit states that constantly (and unsuccessfully) sue the federal government to try and get them to leave them alone so they can have lower taxes...


Incidentally, what does this data actually show you? Are the teens poor? Are the teens black or white or hispanic? Are they legal or illegal (Texas/New Mexico)?

California is the 5th largest economy in the entire world....hardly poor. Why are they on your list? They're also very dem.
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>>701531450
But anal is. And, like I said what must've been 3 times now, don't cum inside her, go on the back or face. There are a lot of alternatives.
>>701531558
I like how you're samefagging this hard, and just saying "hes retarded durr idiot" without an argument. Kys.
>>701531658
So there's more idiots on the planet than I expeected?
>>701531671
Not 100% effective, but if you take birth control, + condom + pull out and cum onto her back or her ass or some shit, there's a 0.0001% chance of conception. You're literally just repeating shit that I refuted, then claiming I said it.
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>>701524716
no one said it wasn't murder...
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>>701524716
Try to prove you're not a faggot
>protip: you can't
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>>701531983
With either of them it's still definitely not 100%, which is how that guy was saying it
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>>701532134
But then you wouldn't get a bunch of dead babies to make cool new technology with.
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Give us your toddlers
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>>701524716
Obviously as an autonomous being in regard that it can use his will to live and choose whatever it likes im prochoice it is not as am i my parents, just let me get around this scheme to obtain food from anothers or from the ambient called job and i wil demostrate you why i am prochocice in like eight months. Protip:i am an embryo.
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>>701532255
I know, he's an idiot. Just wanted to share some fun info.
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>>701532162
There's about an 8% chance of getting pregnant if you use anal sex as a form of contraceptive. Statistically.
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>>701525223
Its not my fault you live in a shitty country
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>>701532352
rolling.
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>>701524716
It's funny how you care so much about what happens to a person before they're born, but completely lose interest in them after they're born. Are you gonna raise other people's unwanted children? No? Then I kindly ask you to fuck off and mind your own business.
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>>701532340
>>701531931

Actually we hardly use fetal stem cells anymore, the umbilical cord alone has more than enough of the best sort of stem cells and we can collect those from every birth, not just the abortions.
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>>701532340

ya, but not having to care for overpopulation would free up a lot of resources, which could be used to make cool new tech. Like stem cell cloning, so you wouldn't need dead babies.
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The only people who say abortion isnt murder are leftists who get all their info from tumblr
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>>701532016
>Not wanting to kill a fetus is wrong
>I decimated your argument

You can't even spell properly, and your argument is horribly flawed. It's also funny how you think I'm 'butthurt' because I'm responding back.

It's also funny how you say I'm underage, yet millenials and Gen Z are more likely to AGREE with abortion than disagree.

Point is, you're just another idiotic Democrat who can't admit when he's wrong.

Case closed.
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>>701532591
>>701532627
Where's the fun in that?
Plus we should probably be eating the fetuses, seems wasteful.
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>>701532340
Like if you melt them together into a giant super baby?
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>>701532162
theres still a chance though even with all the precautions taken. So someone uses a condom and pulls out or finishes in the ass and also the girl is on birth control and then gets pregnant abortion is the last resort. No one is just cumming inside without any precautions and saying oh well I guess I'll just pay $500 if it happens. When birth control is free or dirt cheap and condoms are $5
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>>701532415
Love to see a source on that
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All those which are before growing underarm hair
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Abortion is pretty cool. Don't knock it until you try it.
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>>701528820
>Statistics that prove I'm an idiot are wrong because of my anecdotal views about a few cities!

Read the fucking statistics, dipshit.
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>>701532415
Does that also include cumming on the back, and not in the ass, like what my argument suggests? Probably not.
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I'm willing to admit that abortion is murder. And i want the legal ability to murder unborn babies to make my life and the lives of all currently living people easier.

If you wanna call it murder, fine. I don't care. I want that legal ability.
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>>701532723
>Plus we should probably be eating the fetuses, seems wasteful
Gross, plus the potential for spreading disease is too high. Use them for livestock feed, just like every other disgusting protein source.

Which do you think would get higher prices at the grocery store, old baby bits or bacon and steak?
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>>701527374
so you're murdering millions of skin cells everyday

how retarded are you?
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>>701532921
Ditto.
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>>701532995
check point 3
you're the retard
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>>701532723
Look up what causes mad cow disease, and you will probably rethink that.
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>>701532696
Murder is, by definition, a killing prohibited by law. The abortion of a fetus is not prohibited by law, and therefore cannot be, at this time in the United States, considered murder.
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>>701533113
see what you get charged with if you perform an abortion without consent or a medical license
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>>701532772
>So someone uses a condom and pulls out or finishes in the ass and also the girl is on birth control and then gets pregnant abortion is the last resort.

If you get pregnant from finishing in the ass, you're either too stupid to wipe off the cum that drips down near the pussy, or you have something wrong with your body.
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>>701531818
only if your hands are covered in live human fetuses
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>>701533230
mine are
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>>701533081
Skin cells are unique from the mother and father. And point 4 also applies to skin cells. You're the fucking retard.
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>>701532535
salty
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>>701532135
>Why's California on your list?

It's a list of statistics ordered by magnitude and that is where California falls in the order. Are you aware of the meaning of the word "reality?"

That's why.
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We will train 4 goats for every young baby
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>>701532871
>>701531266
>anecdotal
Facts aren't anecdotal.
Stop trying to get me to read your stupid argument you call 'facts' attention whore samefag.

Citation needed.
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>>701533280
Your skin cells are genetically distinct from your mother and father, but they're not genetically distinct from you.

Are you really so stupid that you didn't understand what he meant by that point?
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>>701533210
Okay, abortion isn't murder when performed by a qualified professional with consent from the patient. Happy?
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>>701524716
I struggle with this issue. On one hand I support abortion because it's killing children, but on the other hand it gives women a choice.
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>>701531780
>Lol yes because not wanting to murder babies = theocracy. What if the people who invented things we depend on today, were aborted, huh?
Gee, I dunno. What if the next Hitler or Mass Murderer was aborted? Then it would be ok?

>tfw using slippery slope to justify being anti-abortion
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dont give a shit if its murder or not, world is overpopulated.
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Kek all of the salty democrat faggots trying to justify being a selfish prick and killing a child.

Abortion is only justifiable when it happens to future democrats and niggers.
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>>701533469
>Happy?
I haven't been happy for a long time.
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>>701532921
Legal ability to make my life easier from murdering, like having cheap oil from bombing lybia. thumbs up
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>>701533504
>Answering my question with another question.

Next.

Actually, if Hitler was aborted the U.S. and especially NASA would be way behind in technology.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nazi-scientists-space-program-2014-2
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>>701533496
Try making your own jokes instead of stealing them from stand up comics.
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>>701533697
>>
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>>701533504
>What if the next Hitler or Mass Murderer was aborted?
You've convinced me. Now I'm pro-life.
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>>701533697

Seriously, any way you wanna paint it. Go as dark as ya like. I don't care. I want the legal ability.
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>>701533613
Then stop arguing with morons on 4Chan and go do something you actually enjoy.
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We should just have a war to settle this. All the people that like abortion vs. all the retards that can't fight back because it would be murder.
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>>701533613

*curls up on your lap and purrs*
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>>701533872
It's midnight and I'm about to go to bed.
Thanks for the suggestion, though.
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>>701532757
Get this man a Noble Prize.
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>>701533930
lol you da real MVP
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I cannot understand how you waste babies without sacraficing to Allah
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If we're killing people we don't like just to make our lives easier, there's a long list of people who should be aborted before any babies.
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>>701533729
>not recognizing the question was to point out how asinine yours was
>still using slippery slope to justify
Yeah, nah. Maybe come back when you can manage to reason without logical fallacies. Meanwhile, read up.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
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>>701524888
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Think of all the tight, teenage pussies we save from being destroyed by pregnancy. Not so easy to be pro-life now, is it?
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>>701533930
>>701533504
>>701533469
>all the retards that can't fight back because it would be murder.

Dude, we get it. You're samefagging.

Just because we don't want to kill an evolving human life doesn't mean we won't kill to protect or defend, you fucking retard. Murder can be justifiable if the thing you're killing is threatening life. I don't think a fetus can jump out of a human and go on a shooting spree, dumbass.
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>>701524716
>not murder
why do you care
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>>701533214
Not my point. My point is even with precautions taken pregnancy can still happen. I'm not going to take care of a child because I can't afford it and don't want to. I'd put it up for adoption and it'd probably float around the foster system and have a shit life and push the cost onto society, as would my shitty parenting, but that way is easier for me. So I'll just abort it because I don't want to do any of that shit and I don't have to.
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>>701534221
Ignored. Please hang yourself with the nearest available rope.
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>>701524716
Fetuses don't have rights.
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>>701534295
>samefagging
I wrote the one in the middle. Kindly don't lump me in with the first guy. The third guy seems reasonable, though.
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>>701534295
Murder can be justifiable under many circumstances. Abortion being one of them, if it were murder, which it isn't in the first place.
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>>701534463
>ignores my pointing out exclusive use of fallacy in an argument
>kill yourself
Sounds about right. Have a nice day, anon.
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>>701533818
Not as dark as knowing is real.>>701533930
>>701533930
>>701533736
Really this two seems more reasonably, but havent you heard of crusades, they are exactly to protect something like that.
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>>701524716
I'm pro-abortion. Anyone under 21 should not have a child (if they are too irresponsible to drink, they are definitely too irresponsible to have a kid). If they have done any major crimes in the last year abortion should be mandatory. If the child-to-be has a major birth defect then abortion should be mandatory. If the female is over 37 abortion should be mandatory (due to egg degeneration).


A fetus doesn't even meet the standard of a living creature. It can't even survive without a host. And to compare it to a human in terms of intelligence, or just about any animal for that matter, is an insult. Even an ant is closer to a human than a fetus is. And if you want to ignore the mountains of evidence that point to that just look at this .gif. It is obviously just a cluster of cells responding to external stimuli.
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>>701534447
>I'm not going to take care of a child because I can't afford it and don't want to.
>don't want to

So then we're back at point #1 then: Selfish parents.

>but that way is easier for me

Of course, you'd take the 'easier' way. People these days are lazy as fuck, holy shit. Maybe the rise in more democrats have something to do with it.
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I win?
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>>701533930
Kek.
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>>701527144
so it should be legal to kill you then?
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>>701534627
>b-but, m-muh logical fallacy!!
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>>701527812
>implying i wash my hands
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>>701524716
Doesn't matter whether or not it is murder. Making abortion illegal would be a completely unenforceable law.
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>>701534153
We can do them at the same time. That and an unwanted fetus just leads to an unhappy mother and maybe father, and likely an unhappy child. And that's assuming they are even financially ready for a child. If not, their lives suck even more and we waste tax payer money. Why do that when they could just wait and have one when it works out for everyone? Why make fucked up families when you can just not?
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>>701534817
I'm sorry I put my own self interest above others I'll apologize and make sure everyone knows I care about them all more than I care about myself.
I'm saying a shitty parent not having a kid is better than a shitty parent having a kid.
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>>701534817
Why not do it? It's easier for me, and the fetus doesn't gaf. IUf some guy wants to give me $20.00 should I turn that down too?
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>>701535167
better abort the shitty parent
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>>701534817
Why use the Internet to look up information, go to the library or talk to people to learn anything, people are so lazy.
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>>701528694
Look faggot, a fetvs has vniqve DNA from its parents, it has hvman DNA, even single celled organisms are considered life, therefore it is life, made of hvman cells. Hence
>Hvman Life.
Go fvck yovrself
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>>701534484
The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.
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>>701529301
Not rape if it's brazillian
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The church doesn't want you to wear condoms, but they also don't want you to have an abortion. They just want as many numbers on their side for when they try to murder everyone from every other faith. They don't give a shit about fake babies' pseudo-lives.
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>>701535691
Is your U key broken or are you posting from ancient Rome, before the development of the letter U?
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>>701535850
not everyone opposed to abortion is a catholic
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>>701535994
Mine's better.
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I'm pro-nuts in your face.
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>>701535452
Please read >>701535122
Not being in a position to be a good parent does not mean you'll never be one. A lot of people who get abortions already have a child or end up having one later. It's about being in a position to be a good parent. I don't want a kid, that makes me thing id probably be a shitty parent if I had a kid now. Resentment and all that. I think it's likely I'd want a kid in the next 5-10 years and at that point I think I'd be a great parent. I'm not full of hatred you faggot I like children and have love to give. Just not for my possible child not now. So saying hurr durr abort the parent is fucking retarted
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>>701535871
If he was posting from ancient Rome he wouldn't have a problem with abortion. Infanticide was and always has been and common practice.
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>>701527700
well, you're the one more
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>>701524716
>>701524716
If the fetus has less than 3 months, he has no mind or emotions, so is not human nor animal, it's a living being with no purpose, so if you "kill" him it won't matter
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>>701535691
>even single celled organisms are considered life,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Biology

The reason a virus isn't "alive" is the same reason a fetus isn't. And if you think "killing" it is bad, then killing anything (plants included) is just as bad.
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>>701536439
dammit i clicked twice
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>>701527089
>>701527309
I agree with you, but you've basically ripped off every talking point in the history of pro-choice ever. You are a piece of shit and I hate you.
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>>701536439
Turns out even just after birth it has so little that calling a human is somewhat intellectually dishonest. Though I'm fine with the current restrictions of abortion for the most part. Though if my child had a major condition like autism (and not the super high functioning kind) I would want to have him euthanized. Because I am sure as hell not raising him, and the foster care system is full of rape. But now if I don't want to sacrifice my life that's my only choice.
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