>"What the fuck is this gender neutral shit anyways?" >clearly knows nothing about the topic at hand, hasn't even bothered doing minimal amounts of research >goes ahead and just denies all existence of it
>>701470891 I never understood this. If you've got a penis, u use a urinal. if you dont have a dick/gotta shit/like to pee sitting, use a stall which is completely private. So who cares who's in the stall next to you?
>>701469891 Sure, it's not like third genders are practically universal to every culture except North American and most European, going back to even before Roman times, and that the concept of "masculine" and "feminine" as we know it today is a 19th century invention.
Don't get me wrong, there's absolutely no such thing as demi-broom dragon kin or whatever else they come up with on tumblr. But gender itself is not the same thing as sex, so your "dick equals guy, vag equals girl" thesis is only correct in the narrowest circumscription of gender theory. It's not wrong, but it's also not universal.
>>701469891 No!!! not all girls have a Vag and not all boys have a dick! gender is a social construct!! you have to recognize non-binary, gender fluid people and learn there fucking pro nouns you you bigoted asshole
>>701471704 >No!!! >not all girls have a Vag and not all boys have a dick! gender is a social construct!! >you have to recognize non-binary, gender fluid people and learn there fucking pro nouns you >you bigoted asshole
No one like this actually exists. You made up a strawman because you want something to be angry about.
here's this thing called science men who think they're women commit violent crimes at the same rate as men who identify as men. decades long study. includes violence against women. its literally the same as having a man in a woman's room. or did your stupid asses forget why bathrooms are segregated
>>701472012 Political cartoons are universally shitty and you should be embarrassed that you posted one. I'm embarrassed for you and I don't even know you.
Here is a tip for you: If you can't make a point without resorting to some absurd strawman it means your argument holds no water and you should just not say anything at all so people don't know that you're a moron.
I suppose I dislike trannies for the same reason I dislike creationists they come up with this fantasy world in their heads and only believe what they want to be true rather than what actually is true, which would be fine on its own but then they demand absolutely everyone else must believe this reality they created, and that to me crosses the line.
If you are a man trying to rape women in their bathroom, anyone who sees you getting in or out would know you're up to no good, and that makes it much more risky. If anyone can go to any bathroom, the rapist can go in and out unnoticed, and he just has to be sure no one catches him in the act. Even worse, he has the incentive to kill the victim because if she can scream after him he can't really get out unnoticed.
And how about this - we just have a bathroom called Dicks and another called Vaginas, and there is an X-ray machine at the entrance that checks what you have. We have technology to pick a known face among thousand of people, we should be able to tell dicks and vags apart.
>>701469891 Fuckin liberals and their made up sexes. Let them have their gender identity bathroom Bullshit, after a few kids get molested by predators pretending to be trans the world will come to its sense.
If I'm to accept that the definition of a girl is outside the realm/constitution of physical appearance and having XX chromosomes then I should also accept that a Cat is not limited to the qualities of its genetic code and if I one day wake up and feel like a Cat and behave like one. I must be a cat.
Simple biology? Do you know how non-simple biology is?
Ignoring the people who are born anatomically correct and want to be the other side, what the fuck about the people born with both parts and parents just have to guess at what they are? Ever heard of a hermaphrodite? There are fairly common (1/1000) genetic disorders that result in both or parts of both sex organs. Hardly simple or black & white.
>>701473853 Just wait for the pedos and predators to take advantage of this whole transgender bathroom loophole. It'll come back biting everyone in the ass when little Sally gets molested in the Walmart bathroom by a "woman" with a beard and a 7" cock.
>>701473881 It does however confirm that the issue of their gender is complicated. Can you imagine how shitty it must be to be one of them? Why not help ease their suffering by not being assholes to them?
>>701473881 Exactly, look here someone who actually knows a thing or two about psychology of the mind.
But here's the Icing on the cake all the common folk who've never probably actually took the time of day to understand the minute details of the mind hear a new fact that science is talking about and suddenly its a national problem.
OH NO i'm a transgender transformed shemale who feels attracted to a T.V. who has no represented rights in bathrooms, better make some legislation for that.
Wow... from what i see here, World gonna be destroyed very soon, because of that liberalizm shit. Srrsly people, you have nothing better to do, than crying, because you have fucked up brain and "feeling women" but have penis? Maybie it's time for you to visit psychiatrist, because you have mental problems
>>701474042 Sick meme bruh. Did you dig that one out of your inbox? I'm guessing it was in an email from grandma that began; RE:RE:RE:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:RE:FW:RE:FW Back in our day READ THIS YOU WILL LAUGH I PROMISE
But then what do we do about the people who were born with mixed or no genitals? I don't belive in all the crazy genders people are talking about but I think gender neutral is just for the people who really don't have a set gender. I mean I'll call people by whatever it is they prefer but most of the people I've met that want you to call them zir zym fay or whatever are just doing it for attention. They want something to call you out on and they want to be a special snowflake. These are the kinds of people that list their mental disorders on their social media though. Not even worth your time.
>>701474259 Do you usually go into restrooms and find that everyone in there is fucking each other out of control? If so then chances are you deliberately asked or drove around looking for such places.
In general there's really no reason to segregate public restrooms anyway, especially single occupancy ones. If it's also being used to change clothes or whatever, sure, but if people are just going in their to piss or shit, then no.
I'm having trouble keeping your intellectual consistency in tact. Can you help me out here? If you're into methodological naturalism, etc. then one SHOULD become intellectually curious when someone points out the science that backs up something you're against. Who is the one living in a fantasy world here? You did exactly what creationists do by rejecting science out of hand because you have a preferred conclusion (liberal bullshit). At least put some effort into constructing an argument against the existing science on this topic. I say good day, sir.
>>701473988 okay you have a point but why do we have to bend the knee and make something special for all the special people who have too hard of a decision on what side of the line they would like to stand on.
Honestly a true hermaphrodite might have issues at first but most are willing do find which side of the line they're on and go on to follow that path wholeheartedly not like what we see on media with people switching sexes every hour roflmao
>>701474089 as an example, there are other less common dysphorias that society does not accept as legitimate like people born with a belief that certain limbs do not belong on their bodies , Apotemnophilia. and while sane in every other respect they feel the need to have it cut off since they feel it doesn't belong.
>>701469891 The same people that want gender neutrality and the same fucks who would lose their shit if they got rid of gender specific events in the olympics and made men and women compete against each other in the same event.
I see you've been gone a bit. While you were away, 4chan changed from being 90% anti-homo to about 90% turned off by women without a feminine penis.
True story. Those that have been around for over 5 years have no doubt seen the trend shift. While never completely anti-gay, 4chan only recently became pro-gay. This is basically a purple-rainbow-flag-community now.
>except unlike creationism, there's mounds of literal science to back up gender dysphoria
There's mounds of pseudo science with results that can't be replicated. Modern science is fucked....
"In 2015, only about a third of 100 psychological studies published in three leading psychology journals could be adequately replicated."
"A 2015 British Academy of Medical Sciences report suggested that the false discovery rate in some areas of biomedicine could be as high as 69 percent. In an email exchange with me, the Stanford biostatistician John Ioannidis estimated that the non-replication rates in biomedical observational and preclinical studies could be as high as 90 percent."
And in case you think I'm quoting bullshit, here's the author's bio.....
Daniel Sarewitz is a professor of science and society at Arizona State University’s School for the Future of Innovation and Society, and the co-director of the university’s Consortium for Science, Policy, and Outcomes. He is also the co-editor of Issues in Science and Technology and a regular columnist for the journal Nature.
>>701475085 You know that this shit is doing snowball efect, right? Next year people will yeal, that eating human is ok. Because we are animals, and since we eat other animals, so eating people makes no difference. I see all this situation, that someone just want to see all World unstable
damn op i always though simple biology was simple but lotta people here tryin to fight it. you people are so fucked in the head. see how i said you people? i dont know what each one of you faggots is. god dammit i identity as a toaster oven
>>701475778 >You know that this shit is doing snowball efect, right?
Slippery slope fallacy.
What you're saying right now is that you basically have no problem with trans people but you still want to hate so you just make up shit like, "Well yeah, but tomorrow they might want to do something that ACTUALLY hurts other people."
>>701473988 >what the fuck about the people born with both parts and parents just have to guess at what they are? Ever heard of a hermaphrodite?
The people you're describing here are so rare as to be statistically insignificant. What the fuck is your point? That because biology fucks up that means there's a serious debate on whether or not XY or XX chromosome compositions are a thing? If so, then oh okay, so does that mean a baby born with Harlequin Ichthyosis puts a seriously monkey wrench in the notion that humans ought to have ordinary skin and not painful gigantic scales covering their flesh?
>There are fairly common (1/1000)
No, that's a padded number, considering you're talking specifically about "people born with both parts." You're looking at 0.05% of the population, hoss, at best.
Completely and utterly statistically insignificant.
>>701474789 lol you can't even make an argument for your case. We're just supposed to agree with you, and do shit your way because you said so, and it hurts your feelings when the world refuses to spin like you think it should. No son, you are the delusional one.
>>701475289 Proof that these quacks and their ideology is a mental disorder . . .
This is a direct quote from an event held at Brynn Mawr College:
"In order for there to be true gender equality, it is necessary to eliminate gender as the way in which people are grouped. Gender must be removed from legal documents, from language, and from the way in which children are indoctrinated into society."
Bryn Mawr College is a women's-only university. The Board of Trustees voted to refuse admission to men and trans-men.
case study 1: the subject made all the realizations to adapt to the lifestyle change of a female and never gave off any sort of intention this is not who they truly were. sexual interactions with the subject did not involve the penis and were always avoided per request.
case study 2: the case study on this particular subject was short due to having the proper time to conduct a through study.
case study 3: this subject exhibits addiction and emotional abuse issues. sexual interactions with this subject were disturbing suggestions of previous sexual assaults were very much present, also the subject very much insisted on sex acts involving their male genitalia, but were subsequently denied due the researchers comfort zones involving the subjects varied mental state. other observations include the subjects inability to form intimate relationships.
If you don't realize that 90% of people with these 'gender confusion' issues are just going through a phase, then you are in denial.
Do you know what percentage of transgender people are under the age of 21? Go look that up, and then ask yourself why most of them magically figure out they are the sex they were born as when they become adults and stop being trendy teenage dramawhores.
I've been peeing in the ladies room for a few months now. When the bitches complain I just tell them "For the next 5 minutes I self identify as a woman". Legally, they can't do a fuckin' thing about it.
>>701475994 No i'm not ok with trans, because they aren't that "snowball". They are only circumstance. And real snowball is liberalizm and freedom for everything and everyone. You know what happens, when people have freedom for everything? Anarchy. Good luck with that.
>>701476330 That's not true. Gender and sex were for all intents and purposes synonyms until the arbitrary redefinition of it by SJW-types.
Look, I wouldn't have even given a single fuck if some dude wants to wear a dress and call himself a woman all day except you guys left the floodgates open and now I'm supposed to "respect" all these other "genders" that exist that aren't based on any sort of biology whatsoever? How about fuck off with that shit. No I won't use your "bunself" bullshit pronouns.
>>701476330 >Gender [,,,] has no place in the modern world
No, this is exactly why our social interaction is such shit these days. Men trying to be more sensitive, women trying to be more masculine, and all the sudden no one knows what to be anymore. This is a huge problem. And it leads to thinks like men getting their penis chopped off, and men not even bothering trying to date because it's too stressful, and women convinced every man is a rapist.
>>701476350 It is absolutely correct of you to point out that there is a large chunk of trans kids that grow out of it. It's actually more like 50%, not 90%, but you know what, I'll give you the 90% figure for the purposes of this conversation. I'm nice.
So what do we do about the 10% then? Marginalize them? They have a legitimate difference as human beings. One that I wouldn't wish upon you or anyone else.
>>701470790 yea actually there is. I dont want to be fixing my makeup in front of guys. I dont want them to hear me unwrap my tampon, or asking other girls if they have one I can use. I also dont want to be alone in there with a guy. Trans women are WOMEN, this doesnt apply to them.
>>701476630 what kind of backwards ass country would want their political leaders to be sex idols? you also want them to suck nigger cock? because they prove my choked down Obama's cock something fierce
>>701476818 >4chan is a place of logic where we accept modern gender theory as SUPORTED BY DOCTORS. >modern gender theory as SUPORTED BY DOCTORS. >SUPORTED This is the intelligentsia in an ironic nutshell, folks.
So tell me why your morals should be imposed on others? Why do you think your moral compass is more accurate than centuries of accepted understanding that Humans fall under two basic categories.
Male and Female
It takes male and female to come together for another offspring to be created. The problem here isn't trans"people" its trans people enforcing their rights trying to encroach on others for no other reason than "muh privilege"
>>701476677 if by different things you mean one sex gives birth
women were definitely apart of prehistoric hunting parties, we know this as fact. it wasn't until agriculture became a thing that most social groups began treating women as stay at home things, and the advent of religion is largely what separated sexs into male=stronger/emotionless/provider and female=weak/subservient/preggers only
men and women did the same things and are still capable of doing the same things, there really isn't major dimorphism in humans.
>>701475778 This is right. I mean look at back when they started letting niggers marry whites. The world literally came to an end, just like people said it would. Look at when they took prayer out of school. The world literally came to an end like they said, plus everyone is now a baby sacrificing Satanist who intermarries with niggers.
The bottom line is that we just simply cannot afford to make life any easier for people we dislike. We cannot afford to offer them the same legal protection, or an expectation of safety if they choose to go out in public, that the rest of us enjoy. If we do then that means the world is going to come to an end again, as it always does, every time we don't get our way. Jesus is so upset over gay marriage and shit that he's literally sending floods to make godly homophobes do a better job of whining non-stop about this shit once and for all: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/god-destroys-home-of-anti-gay-leader-tony-perkins-in-flood-of-biblical-proportions/
Also, if you support queers, or trannys, or niggers, you are obviously one yourself. There's no way that a non-queer, non-trap, non-nigger could ever show any kind of empathy towards one. I know this because I don't, and all normal people that Jesus loves are exactly like me in every possible way.
>>701473988 >hermaphrodite hermaphrodites are approximately 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. >Pretending that a rare medical condition that is in less than 0.06% of people warrants the complete restructuring of our society and how we view genders and sex.
>>701475524 good god, you're right. they've taken over 4chan. and everyone gets offended over everything. jesus christ this is almost as bad as 9 gag and reddit. 4chan doesnt have that edge anymore its all just pro gay shit
Since we're talking about a mental issue with no tangible evidence or test with guaranteed proof, there will always be a large segment of the population that will fight against it. The scientists, the thinkers, the people who stand to lose money, or the hateful people, whatever.
When the bulk of the 'victims' are liars or trend-followers, it becomes much more of a problem. You see the same thing going on with muslims. 99.9% of them are awesome. But because we can't tell who's an asshole from religion alone, the entire religion gets blacklisted.
>>701477275 That one was debunked in the 80s actually. To your credit, though, it is still widely cited by the biased. That wouldn't be you anon, would it? I kid, I think you're a nice guy, I'm just worried that we've lost our compassion for those less fortunate than us. Probably all of the rekt threads.
>>701477277 "I will take what you say and increase everythin 100x. Then allso will add sarcastic jokes. And will try to "prove" that you wrong with that shit". Amaizing logic. But it's 4chan, what should i expect from 12y/o girl who thinks that she knows everything.
The *only* reason women win that race is because so few of them became the only standing rulers of a territory, etc. etc. etc. You point to the tiny tiny minority of men who were in power and go, "ha ha! Look! They're all men!" all the while failing to acknowledge the 9.999999999999% of men who *weren't* in power. Who *were* just as shafted.
>>701476354 I don't know any transgendered people. At least they aren't open about it if they are. I do work in a hot, dirty machine shop all day long during the week. It may surprise you, but traps usually don't come hang out in such places, or choose careers that would necessitate them being there.
But no, I don't have a problem with them. They are not harming, or bothering me in any way. They are not screaming at the tops of their lungs how I need to join in their little circle jerk, and help them eradicate people, whom they assure me are really bad and deserve it cuz they sed so. That is you, and your ilk. You and your ilk are who I have a problem with. When you stop whining, and crying and annoying me all the time, then I will cease having a problem with you, faggot.
Brandishing one ''Transphobic'' is the new generation's version of ''Racist.'' This bullshit has been going on since society decided it was weak enough to be divided and conquered. Much like the O.G. label of the ''Scarlet Letter.'' I can't wait until the next generation to find out what made-up special interest groups cause du jour gets taken up and the fun buzzwords invented for it.
>>701475524 >>701477677 >>701478164 It just seems that way because the views that mostly thrive on 4chan are always mostly contrarian to the latest political trends, which makes the easiest way to b8 people making posts which go against this (the hot topic is ultra liberal sjw views).
Nothing has changed but the bait is now triggering you.
(although in the last 3 days maybe the Clinton speech has brought over some CRT shills too, who knows)
>>701478486 well why not accommodate every random psychosis a few thousand people have. What about all the people who suffer from delusions they are napoleon...do we have to start addressing them as 'my emperor'.
>>701477972 what a fucking joke, first off there isn't major dimorphism. Second standards are still based on the ideal that women can't be strong so it's not a valid defense. If you want to go to complete extremes than yes, guys still slightly edge out women in most categories. Most mend also fail special forces so your statistically insignificant sample size is doubly full of shit.
Also those women are far stronger than the vast majority of men, even though they failed (like most men do)
>>701478193 You're making a lot of assumptions and judgements about (me) and others whom you know nothing about. Isn't that against the liberal SJW mindset? Aren't we supposed to avoid prejudice?
I just fail to see why the world should change to accommodate a minuscule fraction of the population when the proposed solution puts children in danger of sexual predators.
But if it makes it easier for you to imagine some ideas about me personally, go ahead. The one you'd be wrong in is assuming that I'm poorly educated. I'll have a doctorate in pharmacology in 2 more years. But don't let that stop you, it's far easier to imagine me as a white-trash or black ghetto low-life with nothing but anger in his mind.
>>701478486 Maybie there is people who want to live in normal world. And not see how people around become toasters, cats and whatever fuck they think they are. You basically say "let world become retarted and if you don't agree, you biggot".
>>701478182 Of course, anything that is studied long enough will eventually produce outlier data points in both directions. Guess which ones are cited (while rejecting the meta analysis as a whole) by those that are biased.
>>701476630 >I just tell them "For the next 5 minutes I self identify as a woman".
Not that I buy your internet toughguy tier story, but if it's true, then do enjoy the communtiy service, and having to go around your town telling everyone that you are a registered sex offender. They aren't going to hear that as anything but, "I rape and murder babies and elderly people," and you will be treated accordingly for it. This is a good thing though, because you are going to find out first hand that the world really isn't as liberal and tolerant as you think, and that it's more like you think it ought to be. It always feels so good to find out that you're right, and that people agree with you, even if that means having to deal with being curb stomped occasionally.
>>701469891 Trannies and transgendered are the FUCKING WORST.
If you think gays are bad "flaunting it", try going to a gay bar on karaoke night. The fucking trannies ruin that shit.
I fucking hate them. Theyre disgusting socially akward pricks (hehe) who just cant shut the fuck up.
If you look like a man and pass as one and dress like one, no one is going to question you going into the bathroom.
Conversely if you look like a woman, pass as one, and dress like one, then no one is going to question you.
The ones bitching about their "trannie rights" and wanting everyone to bend to their twisted will are the five'o'clock shadow having beasts with calves as huge as a trunk wearing tshirts and cargo shorts with a shitty wig and poorly done makeup.
My husband and I started going to straight bars because they fucking ruin everything.
>>701476677 evolution isn even a thing anymore with all this gender bs. im african american jewish toaster oven that doesnt need a power source to work. also i dont toast toast. niggers think we "evolved" from monkeys
>>701479046 So why there is psychiatric hospitals? If i said i'm plain, why people with white t-shirts put me down there? You are idiot. Glad that school will start soon, and shits like you will need go there
1) Let private business determine what is right for their stores. If they want trans gender bathrooms then let them have them; if not then don't criticize them.
2) Remove all bathrooms from government and government funded establishments (like schools). Shitting and pissing is not a right or a privilege and since no one can be adults they can just shit their pants like the babies they are.
Why does anyone what to shit in public anyway? As far as i am concerned the public shitters are just for emergencies. Does anyone really say "I'm going to go out to target and shit in the woman's bathroom and then go home because that is all i have to accomplish today."? I doubt it.
It could be easily solved by single occupancy bathrooms maybe big enough to be inclusive of a parent and a child if need be.
Obama just gave Iran 1.4 billion dollars and this is what is important right now?
>>701471658 Listen, dick or vag really doesnt cut it. Its all about hormones. Chemically, a females brain is different then a males brain (see the disparity in interests as a child, as well as reactions to and around children.) What we are seeing now is a surge in people with chemically skewed brains who claim they are a different gender, when in fact they are not physically. Science tells us that this chemical imbalence is caused in a similar way that autism or ADHD are, which are classified as mental or behavioral disorders. It is something the scientific community calls Gender Dimorphism (I think) and is clasified as a mental disorder.
>>701479513 the issue is that we cannot currently guarantee that allowing gender identity to determine bathroom use will not harm people. What do you do about sexual deviants and predators?
If we study and find data showing that sexual predators will not take advantage of the gender identity loophole to molest children, I'm all for it. However such data does not yet exist and as such I lean to the side of caution.
>>701479653 >Still waiting on what you think you need to do the "cater" to trans people. >what you think you need to do the "cater" to trans people. What are you even saying? Take that dick out of your mouth and write a coherent response, please.
>>701479344 >Rather than tell the truth and say "it's not our fault, most women just cant pass the training. If women can then we'll hire them on."
A childhood friend complains about this shit all the time. She's one of the toughest people (not just toughest bitches) I know. The kid who'd say "Hey, let's jump off this 40 ft cliff into the river" and then do it.
She became a Smoke Jumper and passed the "Male" standards. She won't work with most women who passed the "Bitch" standards 'cause they just can't hold up to the work load and stress. "These useless cunts (her words) are going to get people killed and it ain't gonna be me"
>>701479513 Trannies do impact others when they tray an force them to act in there psychosis e.g by calling them 'she' by force of law. That is exactly the problem. They can dress up and prance around in frocks all they want...but when they start trying to force others to call them laydeees then there is a problem.
>>701479915 I never spoke for anyone. I clearly used first person language to express my fucking disgust for those self entitled show stopping... things.
They truly and utterly disgust me on a base level. They're getting to be like vegetarians >im a tranny >who the fuck cares
I picked up on your social cues from what you're wearing.
And in the midwest where im from the gay communities are even pushing back on trannies. A gay bar here even stopped doing its drag nights because of complaints from the gays that there were too many drag queens, trannies and transexuals coming in.
>>701479981 In short, tranny faggots like yourself are in fact Ill and need treatment. You dont see anyone with ADHD running around saying its part of their identity, they want to fix the issue to live a normal life. Tranny faggots and gays in general just love the spotlight and if they became normal, they wouldnt have that attention and the sick fufillment it brings. It makes me even sicker to realized society has overlooked the science of this illness in order to make everybody feel happy and ignorant of the truth
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