>>701250231 Well, now that someone has anonymously told me to fuck off over the internet, I suppose I have no choice but to leave now. I can't believe you have defeated me so easily. How could this be? :'^(
>>701253404 Because us fags see through the stupid bullshit that feminists and niggers try to perpetrate on us. They literally try and force us to their side based on our sexuality, by calling them our ally. Using this, they are able to seem friendly and will eventually coerce their opinions on us. Yet, when someone who is part of the LGBT community has a different point of view, they will go out of their way and attack said person, such as Caitlyn Jenner, and stop supporting whatever struggle they go through. They will deny the rights of that person and treat them like a neanderthal. The fucking libs don't want to admit it, but Jenner is a good role model for trans athletes, even if she is conservative. Once, the LGBT community sees these attacks, we will realize that the libs are only our ally if we have the same political view as them.
>>701253833 No one with even normal intelligence can make sense of the leftists whining and baseless claims about: 1. Pro socialism 2. Anti-police 3. Pro immigration of muslims 4. Anti- borders 5. Black supremacy and baseless "institutional racism" and false victimization of blacks. 6. 3rd wave feminism 7. Anti-gun ownership 8. Anti-free speech (safe zones)
>>701254520 >they will go out of their way and attack said person They have already, they will and they do. You're only in the "in-group" if you agree with every precept they have. They don't care about your point of view.
>>701254520 The right and center really fucked things up in my opinion, and it's probably due to their religion and ideological commitment to denigrating homosexuality. I do my best to change that at every turn.
They're not born that way, but it is almost the same concept. It gets frustrating and their arguments are tired and boring.
so many people are making fun of others way of thinking without understanding them, so as a result they post stupid irrational images supposed to be satirical but largely propagating the wrong idea about a political opinion. Despite all that, some are quite funny. I hope OP and every other anon that contributes gets to understand my point. Learn to understand different people before opposing them.
We Americans are a bunch of spoiled retarded cunts who actually believe there is a right/left-wing conspiracy only because neither side wants to assume any portion of responsibility for any of our problems. GTFO
>>701256246 >Learn to understand different people before opposing them
I try and understand the left, because the movement seems to have momentum, but looking for evidence of their claims comes up empty handed - or a complete reversal of the victimization they claim is theirs.
It's a hunt for facts that support their claims, an honest hunt for them. When we see blatant intellectual dishonesty, it just makes things worse for their cause.
>>701256831 Kek. Wasn't talking about that, but I was expecting it. Yet it's totally what I was saying, you're trying to be satirical of an opinion you don't even know.
>>701256831 Well that's a shame, I wasn't specially talking about the movement but rather any sort of debate, even these with simple anons. We're on an anonymous board so throwing ad hominems and slurs will do nothing to change the opinion. The key to shut someone is to rationally give them your opinion and why you believe your's better than his. Note than note every leftist is not necessarily following his own group, some are more innovative than others.
>>701256735 Stop caring. >b-but our planet is dying! So what? We'll be dead by then. >b-but what about our children?! So what? We'll be dead by then, not our fucking problem >b-but muh morals! Fuck off. Good luck trying to better the world. I'll rather give 0 fucks and live a happy life then support every fucking nigglet that's sewing my clothing etc.
>>701257629 Yup. Keep on being satirical, I don't mind at all. You're still not proving me wrong, and you won't. Since you can't. You can't reason with someone, you can only try to make them seem less "in truth", with pictures you couldn't even draw yourself. If you were to abandon your pictures to tell why I'm wrong to think that, you would probably laugh a lot reading you.
>>701257434 I wouldn't make fun of the screaming leftists movement if it wasn't completely devoid of facts.
We just want some facts that everyone can agree on, so we can find ways to come together rather than finding ways to separate
So much of the leftist movement is simply anti-white male, so they don't really want you a part of their group anyway if you are a white male, unless you continually debase white males. It's not OK to be proud of white western European heritage, and be part of that group. To say they're divisive would be a spectacular understatement.
>>701257409 Both sides oversimplify because they're too fucking stupid to consider the full picture. The MidEast has been economically and militarily fucked over by the US/Euro countries for over half a century. Don't act all surprised when extremists take over and finally say "fuck those guys. We've got nothing to lose." Libs and cons like to live in their little bubbles where everything is black and white, and where they are completely blameless. Fuck em both.
>>701256246 I understand the left, they are all about feelings over facts. They feel certain groups are oppressed, this isnt true. They feel, but they dont ever look at facts. I get it, we should totally make sure the police arent discriminating, we should totally make sure people are taken care of, but they never propose real solutions.
>>701258384 >he MidEast has been economically and militarily fucked over by the US/Euro countries for over half a century.
Obviously you haven't been paying attention to Dabiq (the magazine of ISIS). They hate us and want to destroy us because we are non-believers. You're giving them excuses for suicide bombings they never asked for. You're understating the importance of their ideological differences.
>>701258118 I don't think it's trying to be divise but rather be embracing of every other possibility the "human" definition has to offer. That is an utopian way of seeing life, I agree but I'd rather live by that.
Is it concretely a good idea ? I don't think so, the world we live in isn't homogenic it's clearly heterogenic and leftist should be a little more aware of that. The way the things runs for more than 8 centuries aren't helping the world to mix itself into one big giant form of homogenic humanity, but despite all that I still believe that we should hold morales that dictate that everyone is free, everyone deserves to live as fully as others. We are not, by everything meaning possible, equals, but we should grant everyone the same treatment.
>>701258384 While there's a lot wrong with trying to set up white people as the bad guys yet again, what's more important is that there comes a time when war is imminent that you put away the debate as to who's responsible and simply start fighting on your own behalf. I believe that there has been a concentrated effort to convince westerners, particularly white men, that they are not at that point. I believe that effort is disingenuous and intentionally subversive, and it is coercing many innocent people into sitting around while war is declared on them, violence is done to their own and their homelands and futures are taken from them.
In short, we might have fucked the middle east, but that doesn't actually mean we should be so contrite about it that we should let the middle east fuck us.
>>701258877 Sure, grant everyone the same right to freedom, just let them do it in their own countries. The friction only starts when, like you say, the homogeneity is disrupted. The belief, and moral fixation, on the idea that large groups of people are capable of mixing peacefully is not only deluded and historically blind, but destructive to the point of being a nation-wrecking event. I'm content to say live and let live, but treating the borders of my homeland like the gates of a charity event where everything my people have built should be given to those who have built virtually nothing for themselves practically defines the spirit of betrayal. I want a few spots on this earth that my people, the white people, can call their own, exclusive home.
Well, racially at any rate. In the matter of gender, women really have absolutely no fucking business outside the home and have done nothing but agitate as cancerously as possible since leaving it. It's really no surprise that every nation worth anything unanimously agreed to keep them out of politics.
>>701258881 Again, to resolve it a certain amount of responsibility would need to be assumed by EACH side. That will never happen, because we're all indoctrinated to the point that we think this is some religious/cultural war.
We'll have another war and nothing will be resolved, and then pick targets for blame all over again
This saying sounded funny at the time, especially to leftists, but it turned out to be true. They think we are too accepting of homosexuality and are not conservative enough.
Remember, the crusades were in response to an attacking advance of Islam. Islam has always been the same since about the 10th century. Muslims were allowed to interpret the Qu'ran themselves prior to the 10th century.
No, I have better history than 20 years worth, but we have seen a conservative advancement of Islam in the last 40 years that has little to do with the west trying to help prevent genocide and stop terrorist training camps.
>>701243544 I'm atheist, but not part of the leftist movement. Atheist groups are some of the quickest groups to say "all religions are equally peaceful", or "no one believes in eternity", which is hilariously false.
>>701259914 Authoritarian regimes propped up by the US and sponsored state destabilization (also beneficial to the West) led to huge populations lacking education or even societal stability. This is the perfect storm for extremism to arise. You act like people just sat around and said "you know what? Everyone should be in our Muslim club, and we shall kill all who don't join." You need the right culture for these bacteria to grow, and we (the West and Arabs) gave it to them.
If it's easier for you to make this all about invisible beings in the sky and who their best buddies are, then go ahead. Truth is its way more complex than that.
>>701259471 > but treating the borders of my homeland like the gates of a charity event where everything my people have built should be given to those who have built virtually nothing for themselves practically defines the spirit of betrayal.
This is not a problem with races or cultures, it's a quality of life matter and it's based on the past mistakes of a few countries that are now considered "1rd world countries" I live in Belgium, I don't need to be scared about my life, not my future, despite the life-threatening events. Now people live in Africa and Asia are not as safe as we are, I can't blame a 25-yo migrant who came here to have opportunities in life. If money was equally distributed, and not held by people who stole billions worth of material, slavery, etc. That wouldn't happen
> Stop writing right there,righist anon This is not a "white guilt" "give them money" answer, it's just as fair as chemistry. People /in need/ go to /safe/ countries, even if they risk their life during the trip ( referring to migrants coming to europe)
> In the matter of gender, women really have absolutely no fucking business outside the home and have done nothing but agitate as cancerously as possible since leaving it. It's really no surprise that every nation worth anything unanimously agreed to keep them out of politics.
Wow. Would you mind explaining this opinion ?
>>701259493 Islamist are not that many, despite what you might hear about them. The internet is actually making a big deal out of it. As I said before, I live in Belgium, I happen to know many muslims, they are stupidly in religion, they don't think charia should be put into progressive western countries.
> Western culture can scientifically be proven to sustain and flourish humans and animals better than Islamic culture- which makes it more ethical than Islamic culture. You're right. But you might want to learn more about what the Islam has done to the world, during the 8th century to the 14th
>>701261183 Go research US military interventions around the world. We could care less about the general populations of those countries and their collective happiness. Look at Chile and Pinochet. Look at Iraq and Saddam. Look at the House of Saud. We need people who do and say what we want. It's never been in our interest to meet the needs of the common folk.
Of course, that policy does occasionally blow up in our face...
>>701260787 >Islamist are not that many, despite what you might hear about them.
even if the number of Islamist were only 10% (which pew research will verify that Islamists are of much greater number), it amounts to hundreds of millions of muslims around the world that agree that cartoons of the prophet should be illegal and that suicide attacks are justified, and that agree that Shariah Law should be the law of the land for everyone.
>>701261546 >thinking I'm from the left >thinking I'm making excuses I try to understand a situation as best I can by examining all sides before creating childish cartoons that make me feel feel better so I don't have to think.
>>701261868 >jumps to an extreme So because i say the usa didnt start it, that means i dont think they deserve some blame. We do, but you guys are always ready to blame the usa first, when we did what we could and fucked some thing up. >saddam is killing some of his citizens Go in, fuck it up, have to try and fix it, fuck it up. >Libya needs a usa friendly leader in place so we can help the mid east Put up ghadaffi, realize he is fucked in the head, starts abusing his power, people rise up, libya becomes a power vaccum, we fucked up. We fuck up, it happens. But to truly think every intention the usa had in the mid east was evil is fucked man.
>>701261652 I've done research in this and found that the US is generally motivated to a cause of rescuing persecuted people, delivering food aid and stopping regimes that are bad for their own people (short of N. Korea who is under the Chinese protectorate)
When I say bad, I mean killing their own people and performing genocide and starvation, like Saddam Hussein.
There is little defense for being an isolationist country, when their suffering people are begging the US to intervene on their behalf.
>>701262177 I don't agree that the cartoons are childish. In many ways they accurately depict some of the stupidity of the left.
Immediately after the club in Florida was attacked the left came to the defense of Muslims without barely a second going by. Clinton Immediately denounced guns. It was a typical deflection of pointing at the real problem and pointing at something else.
The left claims that whites have more terrorists (when you include spiking trees)
>>701262480 It worked very well in Japan when Japan was terrorizing Asia. It also worked against Germany. We have to win first, then have peace. We can't come to the peace table before the win. It just doesn't work that way.
>>701262671 Your idea of isolationist country makes no sense. Pacifism is not ideal, and allowing the spread of Islam is not ideal for the health of the world, and we know this. It does not take a genius to know this.
It's more of a war of Ideas, unless it needs to be a physical war.
>>701261943 No they don't. Their opinions : "Drawing of the prophet are considered provocation and they should be illegal following the right that allows everyone to practice religion" The suicide attacks were never mentioned as justified besides a few extreme people that were caught by the police for that (in France at least)
>>701262177 Don't worry this kind of misunderstanding happens every-time, people think you are trying to justify your political views.
>>701262779 > "we're the big brothers" "we murica land of the free we should hit anyone that doesn't stick by peace" DID YOU KNOW ? U.S.A. LIVED 239, IT MADE WARS FOR 222 YEARS. Ey. m8 U.S.A should go to U.S.A and tell them to stop, amirite ? Fuck yourselves basically
>>701263323 > the "google is not legit" meme Yeah google isn't a source btw, it's a search tool and I hope you're as meticulous when it comes to /pol/
>>701263471 I've just written as poorly as I can about the murica meme, to make you see how stupid you sound. And you're sending me another stupidity like that ? Explain how a country based on genocide and that only has 17 years of peace is supposed to teach other countries what the meaning of peace ?
>>701263644 > triggered Sure. You did not prove me wrong, anon
>>701263831 Explain to me why everyone comes to the usa with its problems? Explain to me why europe bitched when Trump said he is thinking about pulling the usa out of NATO? Explain to me why everyone comes to us with their problems, and what we should do when they do this?
>>701263981 >Forcing poor people to pay for healthcare >Making them pay fines for not being able to afford healthcare. No fuck Obamacare. My roommate had it while he lived with his parents and it basically fucked him in the ass.
>>701264103 So other developed countries have better systems. Even shit-poor bombed out late 1940s Britain managed to produce a better system than the American one today despite your access to practically limitless wealth and magic tech.
>>701264223 Because you have a few very good private hospitals. These are not feasible for more than 90% of your population. You have the third worst infant mortality in the developed world, just beating turkey and Slovakia.
>>701264964 How is that picture even remotely able to be applied? You asked >Explain how a country based on genocide and that only has 17 years of peace is supposed to teach other countries what the meaning of peace ? And i asked you to explain why if we are so bad, how come people still come to us? How is that comparable to pointing out something bad someone did and comparing it to something bad someone else did? Explain how that picture applies to our conversation. Ill wait.
>The average Briton or Swede is unlikely to know that the five-year survival rate for colorectal cancer is 51.6 percent in Britain but 59.8 percent in Sweden, or that the 30-day fatality rates for myocardial infarction in those two countries are 6.3 percent and 2.9 percent, respectively. (The figures for the United States are 65.5 percent and 5.1 percent.)...
My mistake! The 30-day survival rates for myocardial infarction are 0.8% better but nonetheless 2.2% worse than Sweden, another communist hellhole.
>>701264458 >>701266348 I'm white and I don't give a fuck about other white people more than anyone else. Some people tie their stake in life to their ethnicity, others don't. Who cares. I've got more important things to do, like shitposting on a Laotian origami image board
>>701266922 This is the part where one anon says global climate change and posts 5 links, then the other anon posts 5 links trying to debunk it, then they call each other cucks and we are all more stupid for reading the exchange.
>>701260813 Well I can't 100% agree with this. You have to dig deeper to find the the reason for Islamic terrorism.
Look at Palestine(or Israel), Iran or Lebanon. Christians and Muslims used to live in peace for centuries because they lived in the same countries but only between their own people minding their own business and didn't try to exploit eachother.
FF When did the whole Islamic terror start? With the occupation of palestine and the hijacking of the olympic team of ''Israel'' by the RAF and Black September in 1972.
What's the root of this problem? And WE are dying for THEM?
>>701270104 I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake
>>701270682 Didn't read. You've said anything I need to know before. I know what kind of a person you are and your opinion is irrelevant to me. I usually don't say something like this, but I honestly hope you get cancer and die slow.
>>701271685 >>false >>doesn't prove it >Okay.I can’t find a bigger or clearer representation of it, but the message is clear. It is absurd that educated, wise, hardworking or dutiful persons should not have the vote. By implication (though this is not explored) it is strange and perhaps wrong that convicted criminals, and various other categories of subject should keep it. Today we should be (rightly) unhappy with such terms as ‘lunatic’ or ‘unfit for service’ , and many nowadays regard habitual drunkenness as a blameless disease (I do not take this view). But if we are honest, most people would have some doubts about the continued granting of votes to those whose behaviour has been or is criminal, or otherwise damaging and marked by habitual irresponsibility and rashness. That impeccable liberal, David Cameron, is (for instance) almost obsessed with his noisy desire to keep votes away from serving prisoners. Whether he really cares about this, I do not know. But he is not ashamed to appear to care. We are still allowed to agree with the top half of the poster. But thinking about the bottom half is more difficult. The idea that suffrage must and should at all times be universal is now an unquestioned (and unquestionable) pillar of modern secular faith. a brief history of Islam's war against the west en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Siege_of_Constantinople_(674-678) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Siege_of_Constantinople_(717-718) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Conquest_of_Siciliy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna >they're just mad about israel hurr durr
>>701271685 >>false >>doesn't prove it >a brief history of Islam's war against the west >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Siege_of_Constantinople_(674-678) >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Siege_of_Constantinople_(717-718) >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Conquest_of_Siciliy >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna >they're just mad about israel hurr durr
>>701276559 except christians an muslims did not live in peace im not even talking about the actual crusades themselves, the times inbetween them were filled with conflicts, which actually triggered people to go on crusades i dont think constantly fighting for control of jerusalem is living in peace
>>701277084 it's worse than you thought https://books.google.com/books?id=AONTtn7pfokC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=history%27s+longest+war+ralph+peters&source=bl&ots=zH9_MoGcQI&sig=fNRcLHeNd_H2kESMTnpdM3vUCcI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3udCph-DOAhUFkh4KHVrnC_EQ6AEIMzAD#v=onepage&q=history's%20longest%20war%20ralph%20peters&f=false
>>701268598 >Christians and Muslims used to live in peace for centuries because they lived in the same countries but only between their own people minding their own business and didn't try to exploit eachother. >>701271685 >The crusades were about power, money and influence between Sunni's and Catholic's. hurr durr that massive example of me being wrong doesn't count because reasons
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