No different that any other organized religion. It's based on a bunch of made up stories which those in power use to drive fear into the hearts of the followers, openly berating those who dare challenge the echelon of power. Parents indoctrinate their children. The church requires donations - time, money, life. Anyone who challenges the teachings is an infidel and is dealt with harshly.
No different from any form of Christianity. No different from Judaism. No different from Buddhism. No different from the ancient religions.
>>701147458 While Islam may share similar passages in their holy books, the fact of the matter is that Muslims are backward thinking and barbaric cunts that kill innocent people in the name of their religion. You can try and defend Islam, but if you're not a muslim, they are not your allies. Also fuck off back to tumblr. Can't believe I'm reading SJW shit on 4chan
>>701147733 This happened close to me. Fucking appalling. Also love how it states that they were scared of being labelled racists yet the fucking tabloid uses the term 'Asain gangs' instead of Muslim gangs. The media bias FOR muslims in the the UK in unbelievable. The BBC are the worst for it. They even try to de-islamify the Islamic criminals!
>>701148494 no, but western society has become so fucking pc, that if they got stabbed by a muslim the first question poppin through their head would be:"Why have i failed to appease this young troubled man who has been through so much."
>>701146113 I think that muhammad wrote the Koran based on the Bible to deceive all those kind people of the desert who worshiped the sun, the moon, and the stars, to join his army in order of massacre all the people around who didn't accept be ruled by him, I think that not even Mohammed believed in the Islam.
>>701149635 And that's part of the problem I guess. I hate all religion but atleast other religions amended some things so it's not as barbaric. But it's a matter of priority. Islam is killing the world right now. Islam is the problem.
>>701149995 >> Yeah, the Crusades. That thing that happened hundreds of years ago before we had a progressive society whilst Muslims are killing FREE people today. Also, I don't believe in any religion and I dislike them all. However, I HATE Islam.
>>701150927 Live in Europe (especially the UK, France, and Belgium) and then rethink that. Honestly, American doesn't seem to get the big picture. Europe really does have a HUUUGE Islam/Muslim problem.
>>701151189 When the Syrian blew himself up in Germany and the germans began to call the TERRORIST ATTACK of "accidental explosion" to not to deal with the reality I realized how much Europe is fucked.
>>701148494 There are no "better" or "worse" moral systems in the sense that one is more ethical and humanist, only functioning and flawed ones. A flawed moral system is one that de-establishes itself and get's replaced by a functioning one, even if that moral system is less ethical and humanist.
That's what's happening right now in the west. Western people barely get any children because of feminism, equality, LGBT etc. Without children to pass on your and moral system to and with millions of people with a completely different moral system entering the west to make up for western people's lack of children, it doesn't take a genius that the western moral system is flawed.
Western people even willingly adept to these foreign and less ethical moral systems because "that's so tolerant" and if they think otherwise they're racist.
>>701153011 This. Morality isn't objective, but its positive or negative effects are objective. The west has gone too far with their progressiveness, while Islam certainly goes too far with their regressiveness.
Though we should definitely reform the western value system and not simply adapt Islam.
>>701146113 Crazy.... but when you boil it down, no crazier than Christianity.
And when you boil it down, Christianity was a religion of blood for almost a couple of millennia before it became a religion of peace.
And anymore, Christians are the most bloodthirsty about dealing with middle easterners, you commonly hear them "joke" about nuking the area, commonly here just how indifferent they are when a hospital, wedding, or funeral gets drone bombed.
ISIS is no different than Christian fundamentalists, they're just still struggling for their place in the world. As Christianity was struggling for it's place, it was every bit as bloody.
Not to mention most of the Christians that act like Islam is the craziest shit ever neglect to mention (and it's likely they don't even know) that literally half the content in the Koran is the same as the bible. Jews, Muslims, and Christians basically all agree that the stories of the Old Testament/Torah are true.
>>701149995 the crusades were in response to the ottoman empire (muslim empire) trying to overtake the world, just as ISIS are doing today. if not for the crusades everyone would be enslaved under sharia law.
>>701146113 hate it with a passion, but i like the language, music, but the massive brain washing and retarded logic is pretty fucking stupid, they need to assimilate with the rest of the world at this point, i;m talking about the religious nut viewpoint, not the people, not the culture
when one of you atheists are chained in a box truck being brought to an unfamiliar place for an unfamiliar happening don't fucking pray for a friend to help you overtake the drivers and split wigs with their own aks and beheading knives, rescueing the other prisoners and a hot chick just cry and piss your pants uttering god doesnt exist
>>701147458 you can leave judaism, and christianity without the fear of death. jews and christians don't believe in laws where amputating and mutilating gods creations is the norm. buddhists don't demand war and preach hate and violence. and don't even get me started on how woman are like some sort of alien species in their religion...
>>701149995 >Christian history every bit as evil and repressive as Islam so you want to compare christians from 5 centuries ago to islamic fucks today? good comparison, their views are barbaric and not fit for modern society at all
>>701156807 Most DID have a form of secularism, until all of the regime changes. Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, all dictators but still secular. When they get toppled, the Islamists flourish, and they have been flourishing.
Assad is the only one left, and he might just survive with the assistance of China and Russia.
>>701148850 PC has been a cancer that plagued the west for almost an entire century now started with alcohol prohibition, progressed to the war on drugs, then erupted again (larger and more dangerous than ever) when twatter became the biggest spreader of propaganda
>>701157532 Dont forget iran. The fact that brits actually toppled a democratically elected premier minister who just wanted to nationalize the oil industry and modernize his country is really fucked up.
I hate it no more or less than any other religion, but this whole "islam is a faith of peace" meme gets on my nerves quite a bit. Stop condoning and/or ignoring your extremists like they aren't following and keeping in line with the same imaginary friend as you just because they took things a little to literally.
>>701151189 >American doesn't seem to get the big picture are you retarded? did murcan let tens of millions of them flood into their country? no wait that was your cucked countries who couldn't say no bcus you're cucked by the EU. suck a dick cuck. this is what you get for giving up your independance enjoy your lack of job security, poorer wages, higher sexual assaults, and the fear of bombings at any social event.
>lets put other nations security ahead of our own, what's the worste that could happen? fucking idiot. just because they didn't bring weapons across the border doesn't mean that can't easily obtain them. just because they didn't use tanks to stampede through your lands doesn't mean it wasn't an invasion.
>>701158040 i'd rather not become a target by these violet bigots who disguise themselves as politically correct because they believe your weak minds ego and its 'feelings' trump my freedom of speech and expression.
>>701146113 Honestly, I view it as just another one of the "major" religions. It speaks a very profound message to some people, usually not hate. I think that it can (and is) being manipulated and misconstrued in order to become as appealing as possible to angry, afraid uneducated potatoes. But I mean Christianity was manipulated in the same way, right? In that sense, I don't think ISIS should be considered a part of Islam, it should be a cult. It's not for me, but neither is any religion.
>>701159633 old testimont was more about god being pissed off at people and commiting his genocide islam is all about commiting atrocities against other men, and if they have the right to mutilate or destroy one of gods creations
>>701159633 God no lol. I understand the kind of lens you're looking through, because you've undoubtedly heard the actual stupid shit in the bible (pretty sure it says like shrimp is an abomination or something lol), but nowhere in it will you find the despicable shit in the Quran.
Christianity focuses on the person; the seven deadly sins of Christianity are lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride. All these are individual characteristics that people are encouraged to work on and better themselves with.
I won't go through Islams seven deadly sins because they're fucking wordy, but I encourage you to google them. Basically all you need to know is that one of them is: "don't retreat from the battlefield".
>>701146113 It used to be fairly ok, then the west started playing tug of war with russia in the middle east and in the process completely overthrew the rational, progressive, democratic muslims and gave full power to backwards extremist screwballs who have since killed and/or driven off the more rational muslims.
And now look what we've turned Islam into, it really is a monster of our own creation
>>701161773 >Send to EVERY Coalition checkpoint and military base in the Middle East Morale boost and potentially new courtship between Muslim women and American men >Mfw the Army does to the Middle East what they did to France in 1944
>it used to be fairly ok Not by any sense of the word. The only time the Islamic world had a sense of total cohesion is when the Ottomans forced them all into line. Every other time in history under Islam, the Middle East has been a clusterfuck of warlords trying to show Allah they're the best warlord.
>tug of war with Russia Russia was involved in two middle eastern conflicts, Syria (ongoing), and Afghanistan.
>rational, democratic Muslims Muslims never had a tradition of democracy like the west, it doesn't work with Islam. The most peaceful the Islamic world ever was was under a tyrannical monarchy.
Blaming everything on the white man is just so fucking stupid at this point I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Islam is not like any other religion in the world, it should stop being treated as such.
>>701154149 You're confusing Christianity with Catholicism and the Papacy. The papacy and Catholic church masquerade as Christian organizations, but they are not. They violate every one of the Ten Commandments and the commandments of Christ. The papacy and Catholic church are the Antichrist: The Pope is a counterfeit Christ, and the Catholic church is counterfeit Christianity. Not only Muslims, but other Christians--true Christians who actually lived their lives according to the Bible and saw the Papacy and the Catholic church for what they are--were burned at the stake, beheaded, cut to pieces, and tortured to death by the Papacy. It was the Papacy that was responsible for all the bloodshed, claiming that it was in the name of the Creator when it actually was the opposite force--Satan and the other fallen angels--that was leading them. Catholicism is NOT Christianity.
The official title of the Pope is "Vicarius Filii Dei". The numerical value of that title is 666 (Vicarius = 112; Filii = 53; Dei = 501: 112+53+501= 666).
The Papacy and Islam are two sides of the same coin, which is referred to in Bible Prophecy as "The Abomination of Desolation".
>>701163371 Rational and democratic compared to what there is now. And all large religions are the same, they consist of various sub groups of more and less extreme.
I guarantee you that if you started funneling billions in weapons and money to extremist christian groups like Westburrow Baptist or the groups that bomb abortion clinics, that a few generations later people would be having similar conversations about Christianity
>>701164405 No. The difference is that one ideology actively preaches war, the other doesn't. Christianity says if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Meaning that one who fights will never find peace.
Islam says if you run from the battlefield, you will be damned to hell. It downright outlaws you from NOT fighting.
Islam is not the same as other religions. I encourage you to skim through Islamic doctrine like the seven deadly sins, and then compare them to Christianity. One is about maintaining the ideology, the other is about personal improvement.
>>701165486 So when you say Turkeys history you obviously don't mean the various sultanate stat have ruled the area, but the more recent about 70 year old westernized state, founded by the magnificent (not sarcastic) western thinker, Ataturk.
Tunisia, whatever. Sure.
When I said Islam doesn't have a history of democracy, I wasn't speculating. It's the truth. They aren't compatible.
>>701163784 Not Catholics per se. Actually, the papacy as the governing force, and the Church as an institution. There are lots of Catholic members who will come to understand the truth and will leave that church for one that teaches the Bible and the worship of the Creator instead of papacy-rendered dogma and worship of the pope.
It's too complex to cover in a brief post, but a good place to begin to study it for yourself is Revelation 13. It describes the "Beast" commonly referred to as the "Antichrist". The last verse is the one that says that the number of the beast is the number of a man (meaning a religio-political office occupied by a man); and his number is six-hundred threescore and six (666). In prophecy, beasts represent powers, the heads and horns represent kingdoms and nations. The "deadly wound" that is healed refers to the time when the pope was taken prisoner by Napoleon, when it seemed that the papacy was dead as a religio-political power. The "deadly wound was healed" refers to the restoration of the papacy that later occurred.
If you really want to understand it, I recommend that you start with the books of Daniel and Revelation, which give prophecies spanning a period of time from Babylon to the return of the Messiah. Below is a link that may help you get started and understand it all better:
>>701165710 So a quote from God who in this context is punishing those who went against the will of God. Nowhere does it say this is okay, encouraged, or acceptable, it is a reprehensible act that had to be done.
Contrasted with Islam; "the Jews and the Christians believe in false gods, fight them". The word of God.
>>701165861 Islam doesnt dictate a clear way of government. If your bitching aboout shariah law it is mostly a collection of rules concerning social and law issues not the government. You can have democracy with a shariah law system they dont contradict each other.
>>701166201 Tunisia is an exception to the rule, but you're not understanding me. The modern state of Turkey was VERY HEAVILY influenced by the western model. Meaning the Christian model. However as we can see, erdogan is trying to turn it back to an Islamic dictatorship.
You act as though two examples refute hundreds of years of evidence.
>>701166420 They are people of the book thus they are meant to be left alone. They just need to pay a special tax which isnt even that bad considering muslims had to pay their own special taxes and go to the millitary which the jews and christians didnt need to do. The tax was there to compensate for this.
>>701166687 What evidence? You said it is incompatible thus making an absolute statement while i said it is not and there were democratic forces in islamic countries which either succeded (like in tunisia and turkey) or were crushed by the west (like in iran). like i said here>>701166458 islam doesnt dictate a clear way of government.
>>701164966 I have, and both contain similar material, just Christianity emphasizes self improvement more because that's how the religion has evolved.
Let's say you fund a bunch of extremists, with billions of dollars a year, say in the American south those extrimists are going to start to gain power, they'll start becoming teachers and politicians and start indoctoring their extremist views onto kids and those who think they can gain easier from putting others down rather than raising themselves up. Then those generations will start to grow up and indoctrinate the next generation. Give it a few decades and keep up the funding and Christianity will no longer be seen a religion of peace and self improvement but a religion of war just like Islam is
>>701166420 That's exactly where BOTH Islam and the Papacy failed and showed themselves to be false religions, and their prophets to be false prophets--according to the very Scriptures that they falsely pretend to observe.
Almost no Muslims will tell you this, but their Holy Scriptures before their false prophet concocted the Qur'an, were the first 5 books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy), Psalms, and the first 4 books of the Christian New Testament--Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Their Qur'an, though, goes against those Scriptures and makes a mockery of the Creator God that they pretend to worship. That makes Islam a false religion.
>>701163332 Why should anyone research your questions for you? You've got the Internet at you fingertips, just Google "Christian terrorist" and watch as the magical box you're interfacing with gives you the answers.
So now its about being secular? That would contradict with every religion so islam isnt special here. And were does islam preach honor killings? Like i said there are muslimic secular democracies but also secular dictatorships. And what do you mean with party of islam? If there was a democracy with shariah law it could be abolished by the people because the shariah is a set of rules concerning non-govermental issues.
>>701146113 Japan adapted to Westernization, and while their economy for the last 30 years hasn't been doing so hot, they aren't looking at civil war or a serious social crisis. And fuck me if they aren't caught up in their ways. Now, while I personally won't ever MOVE to Japan given that I'm neither Japanese nor so overtly Western that I'd be a novelty, I'd consider a vacation. And some fornication. Look, some Japanese girls like big foreign wang, and fuck me if I'm not going to let myself get pushed down in an elevator with some 6/10 but horny as hell. Given what Muslims have done for the past century and a half (jack-and-all), I see more reason for looking at them with suspicion than trying to befriend one. Then again, I'm Amer-Asian, so fuck if I don't love roast pork loin or pepperoni pizza. If we can't shoot the shit about our hobbies over a pepperoni and sausage pizza, the problem isn't with me.
>>701168367 According to your logic there could never been a democracy in the west since christianity certainly doesnt allow secualr or atheist leaderships nor loss in power. Islam isnt special in this. The problem is there are still too many conservative thinking muslims. Im trying to show you that it isnt impossible for muslim countries becoming secular and democratic because in the end religion is just what man make out of it. The west fought and struggled with christianity to become secular to begin with.
And just like i told you for the third time now. Shariah law =/= no democracy possible. It has nothing to do with it.
>>701168708 Thats the problem when your holy book also constitutes as a history book. Many of these passages were teeling and commands during the early struggle of islam in the arabian peninsula. They were all defensive in nature but the retributuion was bloody but what do you expect for that time? It is a historical passage which is meant to put in a historical context. and back then you couldnt be nice and dandy when people are trying to kill you .
Literally the stupidest statement ive ever seen. Crusaders were fighting for the survival of Europe from the invading mudslimes. Not only did they free Europe, but pushed them back all the way back to the middle east and then some. Learn some fucking history faggot.
>>701169316 I never said anything about sharia law. This is all I'm saying; Islam encourages submission to the total authority of Allah. This is made so much easier for the Muslim population when there is a dictator in power who can absolutely and totally ensure that they remain happy.
Christianity is different in that it is a guideline for the person, not a society. The seven deadly sins are about the person and self improvement.
In Islam, you have sins such as "don't flee the battlefield". This is to keep the ideology strong, not the person.
>>701169743 How can you be so retarted? The crusaders built 5 crusader states in the middle east with the sole purpose to get that money and taxes. And protectors of europe my ass they sacked constantinople and killed countless pagans and "heretics", all fellow europeans. And they got BTFO by mulims after they got their shit together after constant years of infighting
>>701167603 Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine, which would not that I should reign over, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Hmm, now how could that line from the bible be taken to commit similar atrocities in the name of Christianity that we see in Islam? Oh yes, it already has among numberous other verses to subjugate and slaughter others in the name of Christianity for over a thousand years.
This line in particular was very popular during this little event called the crusades which very much mirrors aspects of today's Islamic jihad, maybe you've heard of it.
>>701170204 Christians simply highered their numbers until they were the majoritiy to BTFO the pagans. They could operate in the secrets and gain converts effectively. Muslims back then were really small in numbers practically a handful of people with a small army concentrated in one city. There was no way of hiding when enemies fought you from all sides hellbent on destroying you.
>>701146113 don't get it why u're so pussy & don't try to defend your homeland & prefer to scape to other places, & don't get it if u are in estrage country why u don't try to respect the way of life of the native citizens but try to change thier way they live to mold to ur islam things, plz jus don't
>>701171050 Lmfao. This quote is from the tyrant king Archelaus. You act so damn smug but again, fail to find God commanding his followers to kill.
The crusades were defensive. Islam spread from Mecca and conquered the Christian holy sites. When the Seljuks came into power they began to attack and rape Christian pilgrims. The entire levant was once Christian, before Islam butchered them all.
>>701147458 Yeah, because I am pretty certain most other religions openly support the rape of women, killing anyone who does not convert, and follow a prophet who was a pedophile and mass murderer. Don't be such a fucktard.
>>701149077 How dare you draw Muhammad (peace be upon him)! You filthy swine! Also, practicing homosexuality is fine in Islam as long as you aren't in a homosexual relationship! American pig. Allahu akbar! Allalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalwlalwlalslalslalwlalalalelfkfjkskkakalalalalalal!
>>701172096 This was after muhammeds death. All that muhammed did was uniting the arabs then he died. The conquest after that was made by his successors which werent prophets thus dont necesarry representive of the religion.
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