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What does /b/ think of Islam?
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It's bad.
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Allahu Akhbar
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>>701146113
The cancer that is killing freedom (as well as people) in western society.
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>>701146113
Sweden
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>>701146113
Cancer.
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>>701146719
It's not the cancer of western society. It's the cancer of humanity.
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This.
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>>701146113
I don't mind it, but I don't like how some of its proponents are pushing it on others and how politicians who should remain unbiased to all religions are making special exceptions to it.
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>>701146113
"The religion of peace"
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does anybody have iranian/persian porn/girls
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>>701146113
Allah = penis
dats gay
I worship my dick alone
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>>701146860
True, but western society is still somewhat alive. Albeit, it's on life support but it's still alive. Everywhere else has already flatlined because of it.
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>>701146113

No different that any other organized religion. It's based on a bunch of made up stories which those in power use to drive fear into the hearts of the followers, openly berating those who dare challenge the echelon of power. Parents indoctrinate their children. The church requires donations - time, money, life. Anyone who challenges the teachings is an infidel and is dealt with harshly.

No different from any form of Christianity. No different from Judaism. No different from Buddhism. No different from the ancient religions.
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good news when obama gtfo of dc things will fucking change i can feel it
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The Sunni/Shia split is completely retarded and Wahhabism probably wouldnt exist if this division didnt

That being said, some hardcore Shias take Ashura to the level where they flagellate their backs with knives and gash their heads with swords in remorse for the death of Caliph Ali
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>>701147458
you are a cuck
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>>701147458
Tip harder and you just might bait someone one day
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>>701146113
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It looks like a funny face.
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>>701146766
SWEDEN YES
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>>701147458
While Islam may share similar passages in their holy books, the fact of the matter is that Muslims are backward thinking and barbaric cunts that kill innocent people in the name of their religion.
You can try and defend Islam, but if you're not a muslim, they are not your allies.
Also fuck off back to tumblr.
Can't believe I'm reading SJW shit on 4chan
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>>701146719
Western society is killing itself with it's fucked up morals and Islam spreading into the west is only a consequence of that.
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>>701147733
This happened close to me. Fucking appalling. Also love how it states that they were scared of being labelled racists yet the fucking tabloid uses the term 'Asain gangs' instead of Muslim gangs.
The media bias FOR muslims in the the UK in unbelievable. The BBC are the worst for it.
They even try to de-islamify the Islamic criminals!
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>>701148172
Yeah, I do agree with that.
SJWs and the regressive left are just to blame.
Look at BLM for example. They are quite literally fucking domestic terrorists.
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>>701148178
notice how fast people talk shit about any religion but muslim its a no go the fuck is that shit
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>>701148172
How is western society killing itself with fucked up morals? Are you implying other cultures have better morals?
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>>701148299
dude kkk&blm are both democrat groups isnt that funny?
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>>701146113
I found interesting their fact of living in the XIXth century by looking at how some muslims threat women. I also love the burka, Batman cosplays everywhere.
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because the news doesnt report what really goes on in the world the monguls think thats what is really goin on the world
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>>701146113

islam is an emotional addiction.
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>>701148494
no, but western society has become so fucking pc, that if they got stabbed by a muslim the first question poppin through their head would be:"Why have i failed to appease this young troubled man who has been through so much."
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>>701146113
I love how it makes so many people butthurt.
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>>701146113
Islam is the future
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>>701148494
>>701148850
Western society currently focuses on victims that are Muslims instead of the victims of Islam.

Check the BBC reports for the Bastille Day attacks.
Something along the lines of 'My mother practised a religion of peace, not what the attacker believed in'. Fuck off.
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>>701146113
britbong whitenigga here, i dont follow any religion but if i did it'd be islam. just makes the most sense to me
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>>701149234
biggest crock of shit ive ever seen (and ive seen some big crocks of shit)
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>>701149408
Stay cucked then my declining friend
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>>701149337
Tbh this. Atleasat iƍslam is still authentic while every other religion is castrated and utopic. where islam is a virilie stallion christianity is a mule nowadays.
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>>701146113
I think that muhammad wrote the Koran based on the Bible to deceive all those kind people of the desert who worshiped the sun, the moon, and the stars, to join his army in order of massacre all the people around who didn't accept be ruled by him, I think that not even Mohammed believed in the Islam.
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>>701149408
Islam alligns with much of my conservative values. But i doubt a SJW cuck like you would understand this.
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>>701149635
And that's part of the problem I guess.
I hate all religion but atleast other religions amended some things so it's not as barbaric.
But it's a matter of priority. Islam is killing the world right now. Islam is the problem.
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>>701147906
not just passages. doctrine.

have you not heard of The Crusades? da fuck? Christian history every bit as evil and repressive as Islam.

no tumbl. no SJW. somebody asked what I think of Islam. You don't like my viewpoint? Too fucking bad.

Run back to mommy and ask her to read some more bible passages to you to soothe your soul.

Fucking sheep. You need to learn to think for yourself.
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>>701149408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNDRb9_sZ9E
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>>701149511
you live in your moms basement. ive had islams try to kill me and fail. try again
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>>701147629

It's clear that you have no idea what that word means. Please stop using it until you grow a pair.
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>>701146113
killing in the name of
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>>701150028
>ive had islams try to kill me and fail

Nice english you fucking ape
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>>701150325
are you hungry? eat a dick
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>>701147919
radical islam
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>>701150314
Are Muslims nice?
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https://vimeo.com/177926299
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>>701146113
How is Islam associated with that drawing of cock and balls that you just posted? Isn't that a bit offensive?
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>>701150539
no
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>>701149995
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Yeah, the Crusades. That thing that happened hundreds of years ago before we had a progressive society whilst Muslims are killing FREE people today.
Also, I don't believe in any religion and I dislike them all. However, I HATE Islam.
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>>701146113
It's at best worthless, at worst horribly brutal and backwards.

Can fuck off right back to where it came from.
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>>701146113
>the amount of butthurt in this thread

Lel islam doesnt seem so bad at all.
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>>701146113
https://www.rt.com/news/357230-belgium-chimay-sports-blast/
IT'S HAPPENING BELGIANS GET IN HERE!
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>>701146972
Peace of you over here, peace of you over there...
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>>701150927
Live in Europe (especially the UK, France, and Belgium) and then rethink that.
Honestly, American doesn't seem to get the big picture. Europe really does have a HUUUGE Islam/Muslim problem.
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>>701149995
They saved Jerusalem
Saladin is the only one that has beated the crusades, I say let the jews handle the muslims also leave Assad alone.
He good boi
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>>701146113
>muh patriarchal society
>muh freedumb
>muh womyn
>*tips fedora*

Whats with all the SJWs here? Fuck off to tumblr.
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>>701146113
It's shit.
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Only unintelligent people are religious. Only religion is holding back humanity.
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>>701146113
Islam is conservative,militaristic and masculine. Way better than the cucked, SJW leftist west.
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>>701147026
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>>701146113
What does /b/ think of dog shit?
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>>701150493
>still wearing headscarf
Oh boy.
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>>701151098
its piece you retard, no wonder American's are a laughingstock.
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>>701149234
Nice bait. Worked on someone though so good on you.
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>>701151374
This. I have no idea why /pol/ likes the more degenerate and cucked of the two great sand religions.
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>>701150314
Have you conducted any further research or experimentation on the subject?
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>>701151794
the only cucks in the west are the sjw that support this barbarism isn't it ironic, or moronic? fuckin lefties
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>>701151685
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>>701152171
Correct
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old school america worked to end barbaric communism in china new school america is hippy 2.0
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>>701152171
Lmao islam atleast promotes family values and a strong sense of kinship. Christianity is just fucking defeatism:the religion.
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>>701151189
When the Syrian blew himself up in Germany and the germans began to call the TERRORIST ATTACK of "accidental explosion" to not to deal with the reality I realized how much Europe is fucked.
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>>701152420
Yup.
Scroll up and check what I said about the BBC. It's honestly shocking.
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>>701152420
Islam will fix this. SJWs,fags and other vermin will be genocided.
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>>701152395
burning your females and selling your son is family values i did not know this thanks for the correction
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>>701148494
There are no "better" or "worse" moral systems in the sense that one is more ethical and humanist, only functioning and flawed ones. A flawed moral system is one that de-establishes itself and get's replaced by a functioning one, even if that moral system is less ethical and humanist.

That's what's happening right now in the west. Western people barely get any children because of feminism, equality, LGBT etc. Without children to pass on your and moral system to and with millions of people with a completely different moral system entering the west to make up for western people's lack of children, it doesn't take a genius that the western moral system is flawed.

Western people even willingly adept to these foreign and less ethical moral systems because "that's so tolerant" and if they think otherwise they're racist.
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>>701152809
More like letting women know their place as mothers and housewives and teaching your son the importance of kinship and community.
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Here's one of the biggest problems with Islam, though there are many. There is no central cleric, imam, whatever. So the Islam you hate/love is just the version you cherry pick.

Is Islam a religion of peace? Maybe in some neighborhoods.

Is Islam a religion of violent expansionist tendencies? Most certainly in some places.

Point is, it's just a tool for crowd contol and can be used for good or bad reasons. But one that had proven to be very dangerous.
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>>701153011
This. Morality isn't objective, but its positive or negative effects are objective. The west has gone too far with their progressiveness, while Islam certainly goes too far with their regressiveness.

Though we should definitely reform the western value system and not simply adapt Islam.
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From my experiences, the only type of people that go in depth to defend Islam is Muslims.
Has to be lots butthurt Muslims in this thread
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>>701153199
bullshit how flippity floppity are liberals that support this horror show all the while tearing apart families in the us fucking clowns
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>>701146113
it is the worst religion on earth

"war is peace,
freedom is slavery,
ignorance is strength"
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politics is treachery
religion is brainwashing
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delusional psychosis as with all religion.
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>>701149234
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>>701153401
Thats why islam will fix this. Islam doesnt tolerate SJW bullshit.
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>>701153759
Ayy butthurt
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>>701153831
See
>>701153214
All depends on your Imam.
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>>701146860
/thread
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>>701146113
Crazy.... but when you boil it down, no crazier than Christianity.

And when you boil it down, Christianity was a religion of blood for almost a couple of millennia before it became a religion of peace.

And anymore, Christians are the most bloodthirsty about dealing with middle easterners, you commonly hear them "joke" about nuking the area, commonly here just how indifferent they are when a hospital, wedding, or funeral gets drone bombed.

ISIS is no different than Christian fundamentalists, they're just still struggling for their place in the world. As Christianity was struggling for it's place, it was every bit as bloody.

Not to mention most of the Christians that act like Islam is the craziest shit ever neglect to mention (and it's likely they don't even know) that literally half the content in the Koran is the same as the bible. Jews, Muslims, and Christians basically all agree that the stories of the Old Testament/Torah are true.
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>>701147026
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>>701146113
It's a religion of piece.
>there'll be a piece of you over here
>and a piece of you over there
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>>701153898
by giving facts?
sure, my sandnigga
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>>701151685
"American's are" yeah you fucked up
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>>701154532
That goat's NASTY!
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>>701154398
>butthurt "info"graphs full of opinions are facts now

Shh its alright the pain goes away. Your butt will recover eventually
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I try not to think of Islam.
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>>701149234
cherries the best, anon. i love picking them, don't you?
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>>701155208
You know the crusaders lost? Whats with the boner for historical losers? Fuckling cucks i swear
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>>701149995
the crusades were in response to the ottoman empire (muslim empire) trying to overtake the world, just as ISIS are doing today.
if not for the crusades everyone would be enslaved under sharia law.

nice try though you stupid faggot
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>>701146113
hate it with a passion, but i like the language, music, but the massive brain washing and retarded logic is pretty fucking stupid, they need to assimilate with the rest of the world at this point, i;m talking about the religious nut viewpoint, not the people, not the culture
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when one of you atheists are chained in a box truck being brought to an unfamiliar place for an unfamiliar happening don't fucking pray for a friend to help you overtake the drivers and split wigs with their own aks and beheading knives, rescueing the other prisoners and a hot chick just cry and piss your pants uttering god doesnt exist
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>>701155284
you weren't very good in biology and history class am I right?
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>>701156070
Religion dominates both the people and culture of Arabia, it isn't like Christianity where it is like a set of moral guidelines, Islam is a complete way of life.
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>>701156016
The crusades and the ottomans weren simultaneous you fucking retards. There is a 300 year difference. And the crusaders even sacked konstantinople themselves.
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>>701147458
you can leave judaism, and christianity without the fear of death.
jews and christians don't believe in laws where amputating and mutilating gods creations is the norm.
buddhists don't demand war and preach hate and violence.
and don't even get me started on how woman are like some sort of alien species in their religion...
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>>701156413
That goes mostly for gulf arab states. Most other countries had or still have a form of secularism.
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>>701156016
Worst bait ive ever seen
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>>701149995
>Christian history every bit as evil and repressive as Islam
so you want to compare christians from 5 centuries ago to islamic fucks today?
good comparison, their views are barbaric and not fit for modern society at all
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>>701156641
Here's all people need to know about the crusades:

Islam spread outwards from Mecca, eventually conquering various Christian holy sites.

Christians have been making pilgrimages there since literally God knows when, this stays the same for a while as tourism is good for business, even the Muslims recognize that.

Enter the Seljuk dynasty, who fuck up all the previous unspoken agreements, begin targeting Christians.

Pope sees this, says fuck that, calls upon Europe to defend the holy sites.

First, second, and third crusades occur, with victories for both sides, eventually Islam prevails.

Fourth crusade is basically a bunch of opportunistic greedy warmongers, who are excommunicated, who decide to sack Constantinople.
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I think like all religions it can accomplish good. However Islam encourage unacceptable acts and beliefs in our modern society. It's very similar to Christianity in this sense.
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>>701148299
blatantly racist
destroying entire cities
literally puts islamic terrorism in the dust on damage done to america.
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>>701156807
Most DID have a form of secularism, until all of the regime changes. Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, all dictators but still secular. When they get toppled, the Islamists flourish, and they have been flourishing.

Assad is the only one left, and he might just survive with the assistance of China and Russia.
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>>701156075
And whatever you do, don't use punctuation!

Fucking atheists.
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>>701148850
PC has been a cancer that plagued the west for almost an entire century now
started with alcohol prohibition, progressed to the war on drugs, then erupted again (larger and more dangerous than ever) when twatter became the biggest spreader of propaganda
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>>701153199
>bait of this caliber
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>>701157324
Not similar at all. Islam encourages slavery, honour killings, comeplete subjugation of women, beheadings, the list goes on....

The two doctrines are vastly different, too many people view them similarly just because they are both Abrahamic.
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>>701157532
Dont forget iran. The fact that brits actually toppled a democratically elected premier minister who just wanted to nationalize the oil industry and modernize his country is really fucked up.
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>>701157668
Sup tumblr
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>>701157212
This.
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I hate it no more or less than any other religion, but this whole "islam is a faith of peace" meme gets on my nerves quite a bit. Stop condoning and/or ignoring your extremists like they aren't following and keeping in line with the same imaginary friend as you just because they took things a little to literally.
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>>701157649
This resonates with me on a deep level. Do you perhaps have a blog that I may subscribe to?
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>>701157746
Amen. Biggest disaster of the past few decades has been the American dollar standard deal with the Saudis.
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>>701157746
Almost as fucked up as the response. Too bad too, Iran could have been a good ally as opposed to the fucking Saudis.
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>>701147486
only the ibadis are the non-retarded ones.
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>>701157841
9/11
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>>701146113
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>>701155690
Underrated af
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>>701158131
Ha! We same fagging
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>>701158309
kek
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>>701158423
>>701158288

Great minds...
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>>701151189
>American doesn't seem to get the big picture
are you retarded? did murcan let tens of millions of them flood into their country?
no wait that was your cucked countries who couldn't say no bcus you're cucked by the EU.
suck a dick cuck. this is what you get for giving up your independance
enjoy your lack of job security, poorer wages, higher sexual assaults, and the fear of bombings at any social event.

>lets put other nations security ahead of our own, what's the worste that could happen?
fucking idiot. just because they didn't bring weapons across the border doesn't mean that can't easily obtain them.
just because they didn't use tanks to stampede through your lands doesn't mean it wasn't an invasion.
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>>701153410
THIS
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>>701158353
Yeah... to bad that's what most view points are made of. Big fucking cherries.
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Fucking swedish pussiess not able to defend their own kind
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>>701158309
Is that David Cross
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>>701146113
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death."
-- Proverbs 14:12 (Solomon)
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>>701146113
I like the mystical way of Islam. Sufis and shiites. They have beauty and morality. I'm Pagan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGukAoiGhZU
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Obvious OP newfag
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>>701146766
Citation needed
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>>701157744
Good argument . But doesnt the holy bible state all of these same things? Old testament?
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>>701159190
Shiites have some dope rave parties

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmQykiLNGmM
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>>701158040
i'd rather not become a target by these violet bigots who disguise themselves as politically correct because they believe your weak minds ego and its 'feelings' trump my freedom of speech and expression.
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>>701147486
Saw that shit IRL in Baghdad, not as extreme as the picture, but pretty relentless-and fucking stupid nonetheless.
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>>701146113
Honestly, I view it as just another one of the "major" religions. It speaks a very profound message to some people, usually not hate. I think that it can (and is) being manipulated and misconstrued in order to become as appealing as possible to angry, afraid uneducated potatoes. But I mean Christianity was manipulated in the same way, right? In that sense, I don't think ISIS should be considered a part of Islam, it should be a cult. It's not for me, but neither is any religion.
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>>701159717
>muslim rave parties

Now ive seen everything
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>>701159717
HAHAHAHHAA. Ok, that shit is scary.
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>>701159633
old testimont was more about god being pissed off at people and commiting his genocide
islam is all about commiting atrocities against other men, and if they have the right to mutilate or destroy one of gods creations
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>>701160110
I dont know the language is somehow fucking beautiful.
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>>701159717
>swag swag swag swag swag swag swag swag swag swag swagga swag swag swag swag
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>>701147458
Here are some oc tits for the kush post
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>>701159633
God no lol. I understand the kind of lens you're looking through, because you've undoubtedly heard the actual stupid shit in the bible (pretty sure it says like shrimp is an abomination or something lol), but nowhere in it will you find the despicable shit in the Quran.

Christianity focuses on the person; the seven deadly sins of Christianity are lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride. All these are individual characteristics that people are encouraged to work on and better themselves with.

I won't go through Islams seven deadly sins because they're fucking wordy, but I encourage you to google them. Basically all you need to know is that one of them is: "don't retreat from the battlefield".
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>>701159717
My soul is trembling.
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>>701146113
Islam is currently going through what Christianity went through during the dark ages. The difference is that during Islams turn, it has access to modern weapons.
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>>701157639
is that all you got puncuation please hang yourself
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>>701159717
Thats fucking cool
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Backwards
Regressive
Primitive
Barbaric
Violent
Glandular
Cancer
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>>701160063
Read the Quran, nothing is being manipulated. The founder of Isis is an Islamic scholar with a fucking doctorate, they practice Islam in the exact way Mohammed preached it.
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>>701160346
Don't make me sin
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>>701160634
is there a religion which doesn't fit those things?
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>>701160696
is 4chan halal?
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>>701151534
Why are you asking the same question that OP already asked? (Rhetorical question)
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aloha snackbar
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>>701160559
I can't tell if that's a question or a statement. Please elaborate.
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>>701150238
fuck this beaner faggot
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>>701160855
yes that it because you are a retard
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>>701160779
>halal
maybe 98%
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It has the potential to be alright
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whens the last time you took a vacation to an islam country
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>>701148850
No I would be like, damn a PERSON just stabbed me, fuck that guy
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>>701146113
That is the scum of the earth religion, it needs to be eradicated
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>>701155790
>fk israel
My sandnigga
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>>701159717
Let's create a 4chan tariqa.
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>>701160952
Oh! You're getting good at this! By chance, have you joined a book club?
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>>701160346
post face
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>>701146113
terrorist
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>>701146113
>what is this meat covered in mint sauce?
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>>701160737
Every other religion. I'm not kidding.
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Muslims need to be bred out of existence, keep introducing Muslim woman to western ways and sure enough they will bow down to the white man just like all other races...
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>>701161664
Itslamb
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>>701150623
>IED Speedwagon
My goddamn sides
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>>701161897
I chuckled
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>>701160363
Thats interesting. Thanks for the info.
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>>701161773
Continue fantasizing
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>>701147919
That some hardcore SM Group
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>>701146113
It used to be fairly ok, then the west started playing tug of war with russia in the middle east and in the process completely overthrew the rational, progressive, democratic muslims and gave full power to backwards extremist screwballs who have since killed and/or driven off the more rational muslims.

And now look what we've turned Islam into, it really is a monster of our own creation
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>>701161773
>Send to EVERY Coalition checkpoint and military base in the Middle East
Morale boost and potentially new courtship between Muslim women and American men
>Mfw the Army does to the Middle East what they did to France in 1944
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islam is the worst religion. theres a reason most terrorists are around the religion islam. its flawed. kill the infadels etc. not to mention they cheered for 9/11 and are barbaric
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>>701162655
Dont forget that the brits supported the rise of the wahhabis in saudi arabia. Every fucking islamic terrorist group has its roots in the wahhabi sect of islam.
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>>701154149
when is the like time a Christian fundamentalist blew someone or something up?
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>>701162655
That's some heavy guilting going on there.

>it used to be fairly ok
Not by any sense of the word. The only time the Islamic world had a sense of total cohesion is when the Ottomans forced them all into line. Every other time in history under Islam, the Middle East has been a clusterfuck of warlords trying to show Allah they're the best warlord.

>tug of war with Russia
Russia was involved in two middle eastern conflicts, Syria (ongoing), and Afghanistan.

>rational, democratic Muslims
Muslims never had a tradition of democracy like the west, it doesn't work with Islam. The most peaceful the Islamic world ever was was under a tyrannical monarchy.

Blaming everything on the white man is just so fucking stupid at this point I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Islam is not like any other religion in the world, it should stop being treated as such.
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>>701154149
You're confusing Christianity with Catholicism and the Papacy. The papacy and Catholic church masquerade as Christian organizations, but they are not. They violate every one of the Ten Commandments and the commandments of Christ. The papacy and Catholic church are the Antichrist: The Pope is a counterfeit Christ, and the Catholic church is counterfeit Christianity. Not only Muslims, but other Christians--true Christians who actually lived their lives according to the Bible and saw the Papacy and the Catholic church for what they are--were burned at the stake, beheaded, cut to pieces, and tortured to death by the Papacy. It was the Papacy that was responsible for all the bloodshed, claiming that it was in the name of the Creator when it actually was the opposite force--Satan and the other fallen angels--that was leading them. Catholicism is NOT Christianity.

The official title of the Pope is "Vicarius Filii Dei".
The numerical value of that title is 666 (Vicarius = 112; Filii = 53; Dei = 501: 112+53+501= 666).

The Papacy and Islam are two sides of the same coin, which is referred to in Bible Prophecy as "The Abomination of Desolation".
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It's not as if people choose what religion they're born into. Don't blame Islam for shit a bunch of unwashed niggers who happen to follow it do.
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Islam is the only cure to SJWs.
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>>701163402
I'm very interested in this shit. I was brought up and still consider myself a Catholic, but have never really paid much attention to the pope.

Can you sort of give me a primer on this whole "Catholics are demonic" thing?
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>>701157841
Nice! You should meet a nice Muslim girl and give it to her as a gift.
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>>701163435
That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Are you saying you can't choose you're religion?
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>>701146113
I don't think
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>>701146113
bacon hating goat fuckers
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>>701163371
Rational and democratic compared to what there is now. And all large religions are the same, they consist of various sub groups of more and less extreme.

I guarantee you that if you started funneling billions in weapons and money to extremist christian groups like Westburrow Baptist or the groups that bomb abortion clinics, that a few generations later people would be having similar conversations about Christianity
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>>701146113
Retarded but no more so than Christianity.

*obligatory tips fedora*
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>>701146113

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9GFPmoOPg
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>>701164405
No. The difference is that one ideology actively preaches war, the other doesn't. Christianity says if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Meaning that one who fights will never find peace.

Islam says if you run from the battlefield, you will be damned to hell. It downright outlaws you from NOT fighting.

Islam is not the same as other religions. I encourage you to skim through Islamic doctrine like the seven deadly sins, and then compare them to Christianity. One is about maintaining the ideology, the other is about personal improvement.
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>>701163371
You do know that tunisia is a democracy? and that turkey is also a democracy for the most part of its history?
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>>701164966
""Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."- Matthew 10:34
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>>701165486
So when you say Turkeys history you obviously don't mean the various sultanate stat have ruled the area, but the more recent about 70 year old westernized state, founded by the magnificent (not sarcastic) western thinker, Ataturk.

Tunisia, whatever. Sure.

When I said Islam doesn't have a history of democracy, I wasn't speculating. It's the truth. They aren't compatible.
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>>701165861
>arent compatible
>literally two muslim democratic countries exisiting right now

yeah whatever.You know it would been three if the britbongs and americans didnt demolish the young democracy in iran.
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>>701163784
Not Catholics per se. Actually, the papacy as the governing force, and the Church as an institution. There are lots of Catholic members who will come to understand the truth and will leave that church for one that teaches the Bible and the worship of the Creator instead of papacy-rendered dogma and worship of the pope.

It's too complex to cover in a brief post, but a good place to begin to study it for yourself is Revelation 13. It describes the "Beast" commonly referred to as the "Antichrist". The last verse is the one that says that the number of the beast is the number of a man (meaning a religio-political office occupied by a man); and his number is six-hundred threescore and six (666). In prophecy, beasts represent powers, the heads and horns represent kingdoms and nations. The "deadly wound" that is healed refers to the time when the pope was taken prisoner by Napoleon, when it seemed that the papacy was dead as a religio-political power. The "deadly wound was healed" refers to the restoration of the papacy that later occurred.

If you really want to understand it, I recommend that you start with the books of Daniel and Revelation, which give prophecies spanning a period of time from Babylon to the return of the Messiah. Below is a link that may help you get started and understand it all better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hzqSMqb4Pw&list=PL0B15C8196475FB58
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ALLAH AKBAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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>>701165710
So a quote from God who in this context is punishing those who went against the will of God. Nowhere does it say this is okay, encouraged, or acceptable, it is a reprehensible act that had to be done.

Contrasted with Islam; "the Jews and the Christians believe in false gods, fight them". The word of God.
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>>701165861
Islam doesnt dictate a clear way of government. If your bitching aboout shariah law it is mostly a collection of rules concerning social and law issues not the government. You can have democracy with a shariah law system they dont contradict each other.
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>>701163784
>>701166313
Here is another series that will help bring it all into perspective...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnt5dqQFznE&list=PLM_Z6z6EY1lLB6_2lg_flYzTvPbeFEoIz
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>>701166201
Tunisia is an exception to the rule, but you're not understanding me. The modern state of Turkey was VERY HEAVILY influenced by the western model. Meaning the Christian model. However as we can see, erdogan is trying to turn it back to an Islamic dictatorship.

You act as though two examples refute hundreds of years of evidence.
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>>701166420
They are people of the book thus they are meant to be left alone. They just need to pay a special tax which isnt even that bad considering muslims had to pay their own special taxes and go to the millitary which the jews and christians didnt need to do. The tax was there to compensate for this.
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>>701166687
What evidence? You said it is incompatible thus making an absolute statement while i said it is not and there were democratic forces in islamic countries which either succeded (like in tunisia and turkey) or were crushed by the west (like in iran). like i said here>>701166458 islam doesnt dictate a clear way of government.
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>>701164966
I have, and both contain similar material, just Christianity emphasizes self improvement more because that's how the religion has evolved.

Let's say you fund a bunch of extremists, with billions of dollars a year, say in the American south those extrimists are going to start to gain power, they'll start becoming teachers and politicians and start indoctoring their extremist views onto kids and those who think they can gain easier from putting others down rather than raising themselves up. Then those generations will start to grow up and indoctrinate the next generation. Give it a few decades and keep up the funding and Christianity will no longer be seen a religion of peace and self improvement but a religion of war just like Islam is
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>>701166458
Islam governs a way of life that a secular democracy cannot accommodate. Literally, unless all candidates were from the party of Islam, shit would go wrong.

Islam preaches honour killings, beheadings, etc... It just wouldn't work. Now you gotta understand what I mean though. I'm not saying democracy is always right, or even always a good thing.

Islamic countries just work better under dictatorships, and that's fine. Saddam and Gaddafi were great lads, but democracy fucked it all up.
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>>701167258
Show me a bible passage that preaches the same shit Islam does. You can't.

They don't contain the same shit, and if you had actually read the material you would know this. Christian extremists don't shoot places up because it says that fighting is bad in their religion.

Islam does, because their religion says it's okay.
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>>701166420
That's exactly where BOTH Islam and the Papacy failed and showed themselves to be false religions, and their prophets to be false prophets--according to the very Scriptures that they falsely pretend to observe.

Almost no Muslims will tell you this, but their Holy Scriptures before their false prophet concocted the Qur'an, were the first 5 books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy), Psalms, and the first 4 books of the Christian New Testament--Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Their Qur'an, though, goes against those Scriptures and makes a mockery of the Creator God that they pretend to worship. That makes Islam a false religion.
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>>701163332
Why should anyone research your questions for you? You've got the Internet at you fingertips, just Google "Christian terrorist" and watch as the magical box you're interfacing with gives you the answers.
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>>701167321
>secular democracy

So now its about being secular? That would contradict with every religion so islam isnt special here. And were does islam preach honor killings? Like i said there are muslimic secular democracies but also secular dictatorships. And what do you mean with party of islam? If there was a democracy with shariah law it could be abolished by the people because the shariah is a set of rules concerning non-govermental issues.
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>>701167123
Democracy is a western model of government, rooted in western values.

Islam has been since its foundation ruled traditionally by warlords or monarchs. I'm not insulting Islam by saying its undemocratic, it's just different values for different ideologies.

The west encourages personal freedoms for all, Islam encourages submission to the ideology, Islam.
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Suppression of women is the best part
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>>701168059
That's the issue. It doesn't conflict with every religion, because the entire fucking western world is secular and doing fine. Islam puts the religion above all else.
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>>701166850
"May Allah destroy them". From the same passage, I just left it out.

"Friends"?
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>>701146113
Japan adapted to Westernization, and while their economy for the last 30 years hasn't been doing so hot, they aren't looking at civil war or a serious social crisis. And fuck me if they aren't caught up in their ways.
Now, while I personally won't ever MOVE to Japan given that I'm neither Japanese nor so overtly Western that I'd be a novelty, I'd consider a vacation. And some fornication. Look, some Japanese girls like big foreign wang, and fuck me if I'm not going to let myself get pushed down in an elevator with some 6/10 but horny as hell.
Given what Muslims have done for the past century and a half (jack-and-all), I see more reason for looking at them with suspicion than trying to befriend one. Then again, I'm Amer-Asian, so fuck if I don't love roast pork loin or pepperoni pizza. If we can't shoot the shit about our hobbies over a pepperoni and sausage pizza, the problem isn't with me.
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>>701166660
Thank you for this, I'll look into it.
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>>701146113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17tZuEncLXY
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>>701168367
According to your logic there could never been a democracy in the west since christianity certainly doesnt allow secualr or atheist leaderships nor loss in power. Islam isnt special in this. The problem is there are still too many conservative thinking muslims. Im trying to show you that it isnt impossible for muslim countries becoming secular and democratic because in the end religion is just what man make out of it. The west fought and struggled with christianity to become secular to begin with.

And just like i told you for the third time now. Shariah law =/= no democracy possible. It has nothing to do with it.
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>>701169316
>Shariah law =/= no democracy possible
Literally.
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>>701168708
Thats the problem when your holy book also constitutes as a history book. Many of these passages were teeling and commands during the early struggle of islam in the arabian peninsula. They were all defensive in nature but the retributuion was bloody but what do you expect for that time? It is a historical passage which is meant to put in a historical context. and back then you couldnt be nice and dandy when people are trying to kill you .
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>>701155911

Literally the stupidest statement ive ever seen.
Crusaders were fighting for the survival of Europe from the invading mudslimes. Not only did they free Europe, but pushed them back all the way back to the middle east and then some.
Learn some fucking history faggot.
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not good
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>>701169316
I never said anything about sharia law. This is all I'm saying; Islam encourages submission to the total authority of Allah. This is made so much easier for the Muslim population when there is a dictator in power who can absolutely and totally ensure that they remain happy.

Christianity is different in that it is a guideline for the person, not a society. The seven deadly sins are about the person and self improvement.

In Islam, you have sins such as "don't flee the battlefield". This is to keep the ideology strong, not the person.

It's just different values.
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>>701169486
Shariah law is a set of rules concerning social and law issues. It doesnt convey what type of government is acceptable.
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>>701169720
I recognize this, but keep in mind that Christianity was founded when pagan Romans ruled the world and prosecuted them. Where are the passages telling them to fight the Romans?

May Allah destroy them. That is in the Quran, and is the word of God. You won't find that in the bible.
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>>701169743
How can you be so retarted? The crusaders built 5 crusader states in the middle east with the sole purpose to get that money and taxes. And protectors of europe my ass they sacked constantinople and killed countless pagans and "heretics", all fellow europeans. And they got BTFO by mulims after they got their shit together after constant years of infighting
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>>701170302
*retarded
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>>701170302
>>701157212

This is all you gotta know.
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>>701170572
Also about how crusaders killed fellow european pagans and "heretics"?
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>>701159717

FYI for real, they're beating their chests in a ritual of mourning for Hussein.
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>>701157841
Tell Obama! He might invite you to the white house to demonstrate it for him.
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>>701167603
Luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine, which would not that I should reign over, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Hmm, now how could that line from the bible be taken to commit similar atrocities in the name of Christianity that we see in Islam? Oh yes, it already has among numberous other verses to subjugate and slaughter others in the name of Christianity for over a thousand years.

This line in particular was very popular during this little event called the crusades which very much mirrors aspects of today's Islamic jihad, maybe you've heard of it.
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>>701170822
You're right, they did reprehensible shit to our European brothers, nothing more than the Shias and Sunnis did however.

Doesn't excuse the fact that the crusades were defensive.
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>>701170204
Christians simply highered their numbers until they were the majoritiy to BTFO the pagans. They could operate in the secrets and gain converts effectively. Muslims back then were really small in numbers practically a handful of people with a small army concentrated in one city. There was no way of hiding when enemies fought you from all sides hellbent on destroying you.
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>>701146113
don't get it why u're so pussy & don't try to defend your homeland & prefer to scape to other places, & don't get it if u are in estrage country why u don't try to respect the way of life of the native citizens but try to change thier way they live to mold to ur islam things, plz jus don't
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>>701171050
Lmfao. This quote is from the tyrant king Archelaus. You act so damn smug but again, fail to find God commanding his followers to kill.

The crusades were defensive. Islam spread from Mecca and conquered the Christian holy sites. When the Seljuks came into power they began to attack and rape Christian pilgrims. The entire levant was once Christian, before Islam butchered them all.
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>>701171191
Why did they feel the need to spread outwards to pillage and conquer after the region was secure?
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>>701147458
Yeah, because I am pretty certain most other religions openly support the rape of women, killing anyone who does not convert, and follow a prophet who was a pedophile and mass murderer. Don't be such a fucktard.
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>>701172178
Lmao you must know nothing about Hinduism or Buddhism, or any religion that isn't in main stream western media
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>>701149077
How dare you draw Muhammad (peace be upon him)! You filthy swine! Also, practicing homosexuality is fine in Islam as long as you aren't in a homosexual relationship! American pig. Allahu akbar! Allalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalwlalwlalslalslalwlalalalelfkfjkskkakalalalalalal!
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>>701172096
This was after muhammeds death. All that muhammed did was uniting the arabs then he died. The conquest after that was made by his successors which werent prophets thus dont necesarry representive of the religion.
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>>701173126
You are the stupidest human being alive if you just grouped Buddishm in the same group as Islam.
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