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Developers and Publishers who dont try to pull the whool over our eyes, who are honest about the games their making, and don't attempt to make them look better, or promise anything, that wouldn't be in their games.
(MAYBE) = Has made bad decisions, but has redeemable qualities. Discuss these.
Current "Trustworthy Developers" list:
>CD Projekt Red
>Rockstar
>Kojima Productions (TBA)
>Square Enix
>Gearbox Software (MAYBE)
>Telltale Games (MAYBE)
>Frontier Games
>Larian Games
>Bethesda (MAYBE)
>Obsidian
>Taleworlds Entertainment
>Bohemia Interactive (MAYBE)
>Valve (MAYBE)
>Blizzard (MAYBE)
>New World Interactive
>Frictional Games
>Take 10/Playground/Behemoth (Indie shits)
Pic related, untrustworthy Developer.
>>701089064
no way bethesda is trustworthy
>>701089064
Gearbox is fine except for Colonial Marines
>>701089288
Explain why you think that, anon. It has the (MAYBE), so people agree with you, but convince some people to really take it off the list.
>>701089288
Agreed, trust was lost completely when they tried with the paid mods.
>>701089420
Not to mention planned paid DLC for fallout 4 right from day one which should have been implemented into the base game
Butthurt/10
>>701089420
Anon, before it all happened they thought it would of been a good idea, even valve was behind it. That may be a bad decision, but how does it make them untrustworthy?
>>701089064
>Rockstar
the microtransactions ruined it.
Ive always liked ID software, Eidos Montreal and Ubisoft (anything before 2008)
What makes you think Square Enix is trustworthy?
Paradox Interactive is breddy gud
>>701089541
What does that have to do with trust? That's just something you personally dislike; your own taste.
This isn't the "good developers list that anon prefers".
>>701089585
The games are enjoyable by the general public, they're good with updating content in FF14, and they haven't advertised a different product from what they're really releasing, AFAIK.
>>701089584
>>701089647
I've seen both ID, and Paradox Interactive mentioned before, can you give me some information about them?
>>701089783
Paradox basically sit on the grand strategy game market, and despite a kinda shitty dlc policy, they never overpromise and usually deliver (Except with EvW, which wasn't even their game)
>>701089679
True, they don't mislead the customers by sheer merit of the fact that they barely communicate.
>>701089064
The people who made Abzu, good fucking game/experience.
Bethesda cause Doom. Knocked it out the box with that masterpiece.
Blizzard is pretty on point too imo.
>>701090193
>Blizzard is pretty on point too imo.
too money-grubbing for my taste
>>701089670
NO
Thats how games were built before, they are just hungry for money
>>701089942
they are so good I am willing to overlook the DLC policy. But Take EUIV. That shit is still getting expansions and updates 3 years later. thats unheard of for a game of its type and market size
>>701090340
You haven't answered my question. What does any of this have to do with trust?
C'mon anon, spin that hamster wheel.
>>701090024
There may also be a communication and language barrier, seeing that the main developers for Squeenix are Japanese.
>>701090193
Bear in mind we're speaking of how the developers and publishers act during marketing to determine whether or not they're trustworthy, not just a few games that were great, or on the other hand, not great at all.
>>701089942
Fair enough, they're the Europa Universalis people, correct?
Current "Trustworthy Developers" list:
>CD Projekt Red
>Rockstar
>Kojima Productions (TBA)
>Square Enix
>Gearbox Software (MAYBE)
>Telltale Games (MAYBE)
>Frontier Games
>Larian Games
>Bethesda (MAYBE)
>Obsidian
>Taleworlds Entertainment
>Bohemia Interactive (MAYBE)
>Valve (MAYBE)
>Blizzard (MAYBE)
>New World Interactive
>Frictional Games
>Take 10/Playground/Behemoth (Indie shits)
>Paradox Interactive
>>701089783
Id software has always made a solid game, with at least a little technically innovation to pop up in each new game
>Wolfenstein: Brought FPS's to the table, and modding
>Doom: Made FPS the go-to money making genre it is today, strengthened PC gaming as a whole and brought multiplayer to the table, like Deathmatch (coined by John Romero himself)
>Quake: Made multiplayer basically an E-sport, without quake we wouldn't have Half Life, Counter Strike and many other well known franchises we know and love today
>Doom 3: Brought Unified lighting and shadowing for ultra-realistic lighting and real-time scripting, it was more of a graphics display than a proper doom game but it still looks good 12 years later
>>701089541
What makes you think companies haven't had planned dlc or expansions or whatever you want to call it forever now?
>>701089420
I can see where they were coming from, but yeah they fucked up there.
>>701089403
That's exactly why they are trustworthy. And I completely love Borderlands
>>701089064
Right now, even after Warlords of Draenor, I would still say Blizzard is trustworthy af.
OW is 10/10
Played a fuckton of Legion Beta, also 10/10
>Jagex
>>701090499
>Fair enough, they're the Europa Universalis people, correct?
Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings and Hearts of Iron are their main GSG franchises
However, they also publish things like Magicka and Cities: Skylines
>>701090452
i am not that anon, im just pointing out the truth
>>701090619
>>Jagex
u focking wot
2007scape development is a cruel joke.
Overpromise, underdeliver; that's their motto.
Zeah a shit
>>701090499
Sure, that's the M.O. of all japanese game devs but it's not really to their credit, more like a neutral score. You can't lie if you don't say anything.
Nintendo is trustworthy too because they barely hype or promote their games at all.
>>701090615
My point was I feel Gearbox shouldn't be in 'maybe' only because of one game
>>701090735
07 was made for bots.
People who don't realize it will obviously be upset with 07.
Play rs3, it's much better. Use oldschool to farm gp for irl money.
>>701090678
TBH, most developers do this.
See Dark Souls and Fromsoftware (who I think can be considered trustworthy)
Two expansions, in the same way the crowns from the second game.
Speaking of DS2, it has probably the best expansion cycle of the past gen
>>701090306
Definitely as greedy as it gets... but if they say they're going to do something they always seem to do it, like upgrading tic rate in overwatch. They're always adding content which is nice and most of it is free.
>>701089064
How about Firaxis? Civ and Xcom devs seem pretty okay to me.
What about the halo devs 343 or whatever? Now hear me out. I know maybe people dislike where they went with the new halo games story, but they add maps and weapons and other stuff to the multiplayer and its all free.
>>701090968
YES most developers do this thats why i said that
i really don't care go pay whatever you want, just thats not how it should be, go lick balls of some rich developers
>>701090803
Many people in the last thread were arguing that Gearbox should be stricken right from the list due to that one game, and Andy Hynes hyping it up.
>>701090776
Nintendo honestly wouldnt be bad for the list, either because they never really overpromise their games like you were saying, and they all usually come out well, aside from Wii U. Ill put it as a (MAYBE)
>>701090735
>>701090619
I've seen some argue over Jagex, too. Keep at it!
>>701090593
Fair enough, added.
Current "Trustworthy Developers" list:
>CD Projekt Red
>Rockstar
>Kojima Productions (TBA)
>Square Enix
>Gearbox Software (MAYBE)
>Telltale Games (MAYBE)
>Frontier Games
>Larian Games
>Bethesda (MAYBE)
>Obsidian
>Taleworlds Entertainment
>Bohemia Interactive (MAYBE)
>Valve (MAYBE)
>Blizzard (MAYBE)
>New World Interactive
>Frictional Games
>Take 10/Playground/Behemoth (Indie shits)
>Paradox Interactive
>ID software
>Jagex (MAYBE)
>Nintendo (MAYBE)
>>701091050
I strongly disagree. There was the horrible Xcom spin off, Xcom in general and Civ in general are very overpriced. I had a friend who did a lot of work on one of the civs (I forget which one but it was in development 3 years ago) and he said if people knew how easy the game was to make they'd want their money back.
>>701089064
>Valve
>Blizzard
>Squenix
Heheh.
>>701089064
Ea games
Valve
Ubisoft
Activision
blizzard
>>701089064
Square enix?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>701089647
Not anymore
>>701091385
>>701091381
Explain your reasoning, make me want to take them off the list.
>>701091319
..and the fucking overpriced DLC from them! Why do I have to pay $120 for the "real" version of the game.
>>701091385
NOt OP, but I like how square enix doesn't give a fuck about SJWs and doesn't censor their female characters one bit. Turn someone with a skirt around and you can see their panties instead of just black or a low quality model.
Other than that I enjoyed pretty much all of their games, even though I pirated some of them for their high price (I am Setsuna is pretty short for costing $40, but it's still good)
Why do people hate bethesda? They dont really overhype their games that much. Like yeah they are buggy or whatever. But its a bethesda game. You know exactly what you are going to get. Furthermore they support their games for a while after release and the dlc they release is usually pretty good. Lastly usually people put alot of time into their games so they give you pretty good value for your money.
>>701091458
Dont know about squenix but valve and blizzard are fucking worsed and besides ea basically the reason why ppl bitch about devs/publishers.
>>701089408
Because Todd Howard outright lies when he talks about in game featuees
>>701089064
EA. They may have a bad rep but their AAA titles actually feel like it. Real talk
>>701091748
Such as?
>>701090978
>but if they say they're going to do something they always seem to do it
What the fuck are you fucking smoking you fucking fuckity fuck.
The amount of shit they said they were gonna do but didn't fucking do in WoW, you could make a whole new expansion with the cut content.
>>701091726
>Todd Howard lies during conferences when talking about features
>their games are filled with less content every time because they just expect modders to put content in the games
>fallout 4 was absolute shit
>even worse than fallout 3
Also the 'of course the game is buggy, it's a Bethesda game!' is a shit excuse.
>>701091726
Because the elder scrolls became fucking shit since morrowind(less freedom and complexity) and the only good game they made since was fallout 3.
>>701089064
Arkane Studios
>>701091641
They are Japanese, so overly sexualizing animated women is the norm.
>>701091748
I've never seen Todd outright lie about the titles, but rather, he depends on modders too much to make his basic game interesting. "It just works"
>>701091917
>no oblivion
gtfo of here noob
>>701091458
>Valve
Paid mods
Doesn't even make games anymore.
Paid mods
The CS:GO, DotA 2 and TF2 communities are cancer (Not really Valves fault but I'll blame them anyway)
Oh, and paid mods.
>Blizzard
Mostly a personal thing but there's something about them I just don't trust, they unnerve me.
Maybe it's the e-sports and how seriously it takes itself, maybe it's again the cancerous community, maybe it's that they can't come up with an original story
>Squenix
Admittedly, I don't pay much attention to them, but they like movies.
>>701091917
Except fallout 3 was awful. New Vegas was better on every level. I know they didn't make NV but 3 was still shit.
>>701091863
https://youtu.be/yvGXCisAaR4
>>701091917
Thats really all opinion, man. I really enjoyed Skyrim, but couldn't stand morrowind because I don't have the time to figure out where I'm going through journal entries.
>>701089064
Toe man's lies
343i major trust
>>701092072
>maybe it's again the cancerous community
As far as gaming communities go, blizz players are by far some of the least cancerous. I mean if you act like a cunt, you'll get treat like a cunt so maybe stop doing that I suppose.
>>701090452
Op>>701091773
This
>>701091917
I hated fallout 4 on every level: graphics, physics, animation, story after the first 10 minutes, etc.
So repetitive and stale. I used cheats finally to have a little fun in it.. but in general I didn't enjoy it. Doom though.. that was a god damn innovative celebration of gaming.
>>701091903
How does fallout 4 have less content than 3? Or even New Vegas for that matter.
>>701092046
>calling me a noob
Oblivion was the shittiest part of the whole series. It felt like shit and had like 0 replay value (just like skyrim) because you have seen everything in the first playthrough.
You are probably 15 or something for enjoying shitty excuses of rpgs.... you only fucking follow a mark on a map and it's easy as fuck... you never die, you can win with the sittiest char ever. It's fucking stupid and ppl are celebrating it like it was gold.
>>701091773
Ew... EA is the masters of shit. Like Coca cola of the vidya world. They've gone so corporate they design games solely on marketing gimmicks. Also they LIE relentlessly. Look at almost any of their E3 trailers/previews compared to actual gameplay. They make Hello games look good.
>>701089064
I would say that Hello Games would be trustworthy if they updated their game to what was promised. Highly doubt they will though
>>701092125
But that is what a rpg is like.... also the skillsystem and charactercreation became a joke.
They were just like "hurr durr how do i sell game to idiots? Burp lets remove half of the skills 3/4 of the factions and make the story gay! You so genius bethesdaman thx."
>>701089064
>whool
fucking lol....
>>701092410
I'm 24, and I played TES since Morrowind.
Oblivion still had that magical feeling, but with better visuals. For me, I played it in full like 4 times. It had a brilliant story, hilarious glitches, and It will forever hold a place in my heart for many reasons. Skyrim was good but I only finished it once.
So yeah, lol
>>701092393
Are you joking?
>>701092579
DLC for a cheap price of only 30$
>>701089064
>whool
Stopped reading
>>701092737
and they promised no dlc would be released but I bet you a million dollars they pulled back on a lot of the half finished shit so they could get that dlc cash grab.
>>701092776
>>701092607
Kek, whoops.
>>701092620
Ok if that is true, you are just retarded....
Also what did you do in your 4 playthroughs? There were like 4 optional factions and you could easily finish at least 3 of them with your first char...
>>701092827
For a cheap price of only 10$ DLC V2.
>>701092851
>Not roleplaying a specific character build/personality
>>701092827
I will seriously try to get my money back if they try to pull this shit after all the outright lies. I dont mind paying 60 dollars for an indie game, i really dont because i know small devs need support to make truly unique and awesome games. But i feel like i was duped.
>>701090499
I'd drop stardock in there, I'm not sure if they've been absorbed but their patch support has always been fantastic. Maybe not the bestimated games, but I can respect the level of commitment to their older products.
It's the reason I like blizzard, they still havent given up on sc2 despite the unsolvable problems.
>>701092528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNter0oEYxc
Ubishit should be boycotted they're the worst liars in the industry by far.
>>701092683
No. Like legit. I am looking for a new game to play. I haven't got fallout 4 yet and was thinking about buying it since alot of the dlc is out and its been awhile so maybe some of the bugs have been ironed out. I really enjoyed 3 and new vegas.
>>701089064
Honorable mention
>To those who are about to die, we salute you
>Command & Conquer aka Westwood Studios
>THQ
>Pandemic
>Activision
>>701093132
Since it was absorbed by Blizzard, Im not adding it to the list. Sorry!
>>701093012
Roleplaying a fucking character like an autist in a game without possibilities to go evil/good righteous/chaotic and only minimal possibilities to change the outcome of the storyline ... i bet you had a tough childhood, didnt you?
>>701089064
>>Bethesda (MAYBE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGXCisAaR4
>>701093355
I am autistic, yes. I played it when I was 12.
What of it.
>>701091917
Idk, I think oblivion fixed the major problems with Morrowind, without sacrificing the core qualities. Fast travel blows though.
Skyrim, while still enjoyable, represents a dangerous trend in a greate number of randomly generated quests with no real feel to them, and oversimplification of game concepts.
You forgot to say Devolver Digital. Also, Gearbox? Lol aliens colonial marines much...
I love when companies, that manufacturers a product get accused of being money grubbing. Why the fuck else would they do it in the first place if not to make money. And if they make shit loads of money, well the product must have a lot of appeal. What do you want some socialist gaming studio? If you don't like it don't buy it. And never ever ever fucking preorder. As for trust worthy I firmly believes Bethesda and Bliz deserve to be trustworthy as they generally do as they say. There are always mistakes... Fallout 4 dialogue system being a huge one
>>701091261
take Bethesda off this list because of Fallout 4 not being what was advertised but complete shit
Hmm, maybe don't trust companies posing as artists, retards. They'll slit your throat for a dollar. They're legally obligated to do so for their shareholders, you fucking weakskinned gamer manbabies.
>>701092410
Ya you seem a little butthurt. Ive played ESIV many times through and only till the last few discovered all the content. With some quests the arrow is what you follow, but for many the arrow is barely helpful, about as helpful as the Morrowind Journal.
>>701093658
This guy gets it
>>701093593
One bad game ≠Untrustworthy, but it did earn the (MAYBE) for more discussions on it, becajse its ona slippery slope of bad&good qualities.
>>701093593
I liked it. We all knew it's not going to be the same fallout. But retards like you are so delusional they've expected a super deep, complex game, and not something skyrim-like.
>>701093658
> They're legally obligated to do so for their shareholders,
We just need more notch type developers
>>701093355
Other guy was not me, but I agree with him. What kind of fool doesn't invest a little personality into their characters on an rpg?
+1 for guessing I had a tough childhood though. That's the one thing you have been right about.
>>701091863
Ps4 will have mods guys, it's totally going to happen. Mods are coming in june.. I mean july....I mean.....mods are definitely coming to Ps4. Not to mention they treat open betas for dlc as free hype machines. They have leddit and /v/ leaking whatever shit build-a-bear/minecraft dlc they put out while ignoring bug reports from beta testers and releasing broken, buggy content that they should have fixed beforehand. And Skyrim remastered? I didn't know a simple enb costs 60 bucks. Bugthesderp needs to be taken off that list.
>blizzard
>sold the aberration called warlords of draenor at full price
>cash shop in a subscription based game
>injected sjw bullshit and censorship in their games
>real money Diablo 3 auction house
>started to become the pos it is today when bought by activision
Fuck Blizzard
>>701093935
Who sold out to Microsoft becuse he couldn't handle the success?
>>701093885
>we all knew it was going to be shitty garbage pseudo rpg
>but i liked it anyway because i really enjoy garbage half-assed developped games
>you fucking delusional retards
The new generation of "gamers", aka cockgobblers.
>>701089064
Saying that companies can be trustworthy is like saying sharks can be vegetarians. You can trust that they want to make money and that's about it. Some walk the line carefully, ensuring they put out a quality product that meets expectations, others have no foresight and release shit that blows in their face. The Sean Murray meme has fooled some people by letting them believe companies have personalities. There are no good and bad companies and none of them are trustworthy by default because their only goal is to take money from you. There are only good and bad business decisions. As fun as it must be to shit on that idiot, nothing in the industry has changed.
>>701089064
Naughty Dog?
They're good devs & make solid games. Still, not a fan of paid DLC.
Psyonix with been really good with Rocket League too.
I would add Psyonix (the developer of Rocket League) to this list. Not only have they made a great game, but they have consistently added free content that no one really asks for but always gets positive feedback, they are not greedy with their paid DLC, they have handled international tournaments very professionally, and they are very vocal with the community.
>>701089064
Bethesda is far from trustworthy.
>>701094121
Do you mean multi billion corporations are not my friends and don't truly care about me? Are you fucking saying that?! Please respond.
>>701094020
What sjw shit?
>>701089064
What about From Software? Sure they have le ebin prebare to le die meme games, but they haven't done anything sketchy, right? Yet
>>701094076
Yes, it's a lot more casual, so? Maybe I enjoy the aspect of shooting monsters with different type of weapons and leveling my character from the scratch, what's wrong with that? You sound like a retarded nerd that thinks he's better than everyone else because he's such a serious gamer. Just end your life man, you are a waste of space.
>>701094259
Covered up Sylvanas stomach bc Metzen's daughter thought it was sexist to show it.
>>701094259
Not who you're replying to, but perhaps the whole Overwatch / Tracer pose.
Jew here. I will explain to you fags how ''Pre ordering'' games is killing devs performance and why we don't care.
Honestly you are the most tards clients we could ever ask, you pay for promises, not even the game itself, we are making more money than a Insurance company and you are eating the spoon every single time.
We could promise you the moon itself, and you retards will pay for the moon. Lets say we need 2k shekels to grab the moon and bring them to you. We tell you that we need the money now (not even a little start, but the whole amount we already calculated to pay 3 travels to the moon and more), so we can start with the project.
As you assholes give us the shekels, we are just building the stairs (not even the rocket itself) of the rocket and we already have the 2k shekels budget, in our pockets. You eat the H.Y.P.E. spoon every single time, the same that is payed with your money, the money you already have given. So by the time we build a paper mache moon, we already have enough money in our pockets for 5 moon travels.
>same money, for more work? no thanks.
The money is already done, and only a tiny piece of the work is done, so why continue? we enjoy our shekels and left until we want, because we have plenty of ideas (that will be a disappoint) but you will buy them anyway, which is what we care about, that you buy, waiting in line.
bye goyim.
>>701094261
They're really bad at balancing the games, and fixing the shit that needs to be. ironically the majorities opinion of "worst game" is the best balanced.
>>701094384
I hate you, jews.
>>701094368
That too.
>>701089064
Coffee Stain studios (goat simulator and other awesome indie games) needs to be on the list.
They always deliver as promised, relatively bug free (except where intended), free expansions (not horse armor but actual expansions), great customer interaction, great support.
>>701089064
DICE
Got Abzu on sale for $15.. feelsgoodman. Excellent game and experience overall. Has an intriguing story and it's a simple but innovative game. 10/10 Fun feeling the vastness of the ocean and exploring. The type of game people walking by will stop and watch you play. I'm probably going to beat it a third time.
how the fuck isn't capcom on the list of untrusted asshole companies
>>701089064
How are Square Enix trustworthy? The last great final fantasy was IX.
>>701094584
Dice is a fine dev, but they're caught in ea's grasp.
Gold in a shit sandwich.
>>701094355
oh my...I didn't know about that.
It's a slippery slope, m8.
>>701094368
Never even played that game, but for fuck's sake, why can't women just accept that they look good.
I, as a white male, would have about a million times more respect for a porn star than I would have for a feminist.
>>701093885
It wasn't even skyrim like, i can live with skyrim like, but it was so much worse i actually can't see how people can enjoy this game when it really has nothing more to it then the combat system which is not that good anyways.
>>701089064
I'd love to lick him whole... what a delicious hunk of man piece AND THOSE FEET
>>701094266
>Yes, it's a lot more casual, so?
Stopped reading. Hiding behind the excuse that "it's just more casual" is the worst cope out ever.
>>701094795
Sorry to be pedantic bro, but FF9 was Square, not Square Enix.. This was before the merge.
>>701094825
>I, as a white male
Dude, don't even pander to their BS of applying labels as it legitimises their arguments.
>>701094855
Fucking sick man. Fuck! I can look up gore like nothing but that pic made my stomach turn.
>>701094795
>The last great final fantasy was IX.
A shit opinion is still shit.
>>701094795
>The last great final fantasy was IX.
not a very popular opinion but I 100% agree
>>701094875
Damn, do you even turn the lights on in mommies basement. Or is your pasty, soft, gelatinous body too sensitive for that now?
>>701095133
>>701095010
Name me a better FF after 9? I'm not saying it's the best, but it certainly didn't get better after this number.
Then again, it's a totally different brand now.
>>701094266
not sure if b8 or just raised with lead bottles
how dumb do you need to be to get put to manual labor by a game and actually enjoy it?
>>701094854
IT JUST WORKS
>>701091261
>paradox interactive
>trustworthy
crusader kings 2 has ~200$ worth of dlc. that's pretty untrustworthy.
>>701094795
Trustworthy isn't the same as >opinions
Can the dev deliver what they show? Do they try to milk the people? Do they try to stir sjw controversy? Do they support beyond bugfixing first month sales?
A business that is trustworthy expends effort to keep customer loyalty, even if it isn't immediately profitable. Doesn't use its customers for analytics to sell to others (this is why I argue valve as not). Liking the games is secondary to the question.
>>701089670
It is actually, you shill.
>>701095008
>Fucking sick man. Fuck! I can look up gore like nothing but that pic made my stomach turn.
The thumbnail is big enough to know what it is, but small enough to not be a big deal... you opened, you wanted to see it whole you dirty feet slut
>>701095170
Compelling point you're making here buddy. Tell me more.
Oh no wait, let me guess the next line. To each his own, right?
>>701095192
The last great FF was 6, scumlord.
This has been a great thread OP, thanks
>>701089064
Lol blizzard where the fuck is my Diablo 3 PVP
>>701095487
Isn't there a whole place where you can PVP?
>>701095418
9 was a lot like 6 imo. 7 & 8 sucked
>>701095418
Meh, to each their own. I personally thought 7 was the best but I fully acknowledge a large part of it is now nostalgia. If I was to pick it up and play it now, chances are I wouldn't think of it as anything different than any other JRPG. That being said, I have played all of the FF's up to XII but not XI.. 6 and 4 are pretty much up there with 7 too. 8 had so much potential but the magic / junction system was fucking tedious, and the characters weren't exactly good.. 9 was good, but I didn't like the story / art work. Plus Steiner was a massive cuck.
Different opinions bro. Different opinions.
>>701095314
Nasty shit.
>>701095378
>>701094875
Nothing wrong with games being casual. And you're crying like your special snowflake purist opinion should somehow be valid. It isn't.
>>701095729
you're*
>>701092072
These reasons are stupid and you should feel stupid.
>>701095418
I'll go a step further and say it.. 6 was the only masterpiece of the series. Everything else fell short.
>>701092410
Being this much of a douche
>>701089064
thq never forget ;_;7
>>701095864
Six would have been better if it had been designed on better hardware and budget. It always felt like there was a bunch cut to me.
>>701092072
Yea valves community is the absolute worst. I always laugh at people that say they play csgo cause I know theyre hanging out with some of the most annoying 12 year olds on the planet.
>>701095981
It was rediculously priced when it came out compared to other games. Still my fave of the series.
3000AD
>>701095729
Games being casual means less challenge and wider appeal, because on average ppl are kinda dumb and that casual games pander to kids as well you get a dumbed down game
>>701089064
You're missing Squad (Kerbal Space P rogram)
ea is slowly becoming lesser evil now...
discuss
>>701089064
I hate this guy and his stupid fucking face and his stupid fucking smile.
CDPR is gonna be like Lucasfilms...
1 good trilogy and a shit forevermore
>>701096179
they really still only care about money its all a pr stunt
why isn't fromsoft on the list? they've got an amazing track record -ds2 a slight dip- and tgey always deliver
>>701096179
Thats where you're wrong, kiddo.
Just because more developers are becoming corrupt, doesn't mean the most corrupt is becoming any less corrupt.
>>701096179
>EA
>decent now
wait.. what did I miss?
>>701096121
>wider appeal
From the point of making money that sounds like a good idea. Why would any studio that makes AAA titles not do that???
>>701096427
But does it really matter if they actually become a better company?
>>701096517
Refer to:
>>701094444
>>701096427
>>701096534
>itt: trustworthy devs
they are not blizzard levels of jewery, and and they are always upfront with their business practices. they literally tell you their full game will be 80+ dollars from the getgo, it's your choice to buy it or not :/
>>701094473
He be right tho.
any company that doesn't fuck up the 40k universe
..oh wait
>>701096606
Not the same guy, but as a PC player I appreciate EA simply because all of their games run great on any system I've ever owned. It seems like that shouldn't be much to ask for, but these days most devs just release broken garbage on PC.
CD Projekt Red is the only one on the list thats actually 'trustworthy'.
The rest are all cunts, release DLC for £15 a pop with no content in it.
>>701094444
>no one checked this yet
yeah, i guess. but at the same time they are the best at making a gamer ACTUALLY interact and immerse himself in the atmosphere of the game
>ref: yarnham
why is rockstar on the list?
How are people still buying so called AAA titles like civ when there are games as truly ground breaking as Planetary Annihilation out there? Underrated indie game of the century.
Take 2 shut down the third party GTA 5 multiplayer
>>701097255 ditto.
shout out to endless legend too, truly amazing hex strategy all yall shud check
>>701097249
Ask yourself "why wouldn't Rockstar be on this list" before coming here and posting random questions that solve nothing, anon-kun you fucking faggot.
>>701097032
Have you gone retarded? I'm positively sure you've gone retarded
>>701097519
>mindless ea bashing
>>701096757
>CD Projekt Red
who?
>Rockstar
why? they just re-release the same console game over and over
>Kojima Productions (TBA)
meh
>Square Enix
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Gearbox Software (MAYBE)
meh
>Telltale Games (MAYBE)
Should be a definite yes bro.
>Frontier Games
who?
>Larian Games
who?
>Bethesda (MAYBE)
HAHAHAHAHAHA u fkn wot m8
>Obsidian
see above
>Taleworlds Entertainment
who?
>Bohemia Interactive (MAYBE)
I'd say yea
>Valve (MAYBE)
sure they're jews but they bugtest properly and their stuff is well polished. at least their jewery is kept to hats and cosmetic stuff.
>Blizzard (MAYBE)
really? why? they literally copy everyone else's game and still manage to fuck it up every time. Korea and WoW are the only reason they even lived this long.
>New World Interactive
Homm3 muh nigga
>Frictional Games
who?
>Take 10/Playground/Behemoth (Indie shits)
who?
Your list had a couple of good ones but you left out some.
>no mention of CCP
>no mention of Toady
>no mention of Steve
>>701089403
battleborn. fuck them
>>701089064
>Frontier Games
Gald it's on the list. Been playing Elite Dangerous since March and have forsaken most games because of it. The community is a little... Petulant but I don't interact much so it's cool.
>>701097255
why play that when Total Annihilation still works and is literally better in every way.
>>701092072
>(Not really Valves fault but I'll blame them anyway)
I'm a stupid individual.
FTFY
>>701097032
>most devs just release broken garbage on PC
Maybe 15 years ago!? I own about 800 games on PC and they all run perfect. PC's get about 90% of the quality game market these days.
>>701097729
>>701095671
the junction system wasnt tedious. it was just too easy to min-max and Squall himself was too OP as a character.
Last time I played through I just let squall stay dead the whole game and played with magic casters. shit was intense.
>>701095255
>not pirating the DLC
>not realising that 90% of their DLC is just "hats for horse units" and shit
>not waiting for a steam sale and picking up the 2-3 actual useful DLC up for $2-3 each
Paradox are bros. You dont know shit.
>>701097729
> who
Damn you ignit
>>701097975
your just mad cuz I'm right and you couldn't even write a counterarguement.
>>701089064
Ludeon Studios (a couple of guys but mainly one) made Rimworld, one of my favourite games at the moment. I've been playing it for almost half a year and it's awesome. They've been really honest about the game and seem quite trustworthy to me.
>>701089064
Naughty dog is pretty goob
>>701097848
>Total Annihilation
>literally better in every way
well definitely not graphically and I doubt it's better in any of the other ways too
>>701098204
you don't even know half the devs on the list, shitlord
how do you even think your opinion is relevant enough to deserve a counter-opinion?
>>701096630
because in life making quality content is more impotent then money, money is just a tool and if you work for money and let it interfere with quality content making you are choosing emotion over logic
>>701098360
>falling this hard for b8
kys
>>701098383
>impotent
i don't think the word means what you think it means
>>701098502
yea writing mistake
>>701098502
Not that guy, but mistype for important, I'd assume
>>701089064
Fromsoftware make great games...
>>701098383
>money is just a tool and if you work for money and let it interfere with quality content making you are choosing emotion over logic
I think you have it wrong friend. Logic would say make mass appeal, make mass money. Making quality content takes passion, that being an emotional drive. I don't look for passion in AAA titles, I look for entertainment. And I sure don't eat up most of that shit. I prefer passion, but I understand the desire to make money.
>>701089064
ill trust valve wheniget half-life 3
>Opinions = Onions
If you cut them in front of people, they tend to cry.
>>701089064
IMHO the idea of needing "trust" in a publisher is ridiculous. There is a VERY large misconception going around at the moment where people think publisher would own the public anything beyond non-false advertisement.
The problem isn't trust. You should never trust a company, period. It's fine to be disappointed if a product is bad.
It's ridiculous, however, if all you consume is marketing material and sponsored contend to think the product would have any way to live up to the hype.
And before you go all "but muh broken promises" now, listen up. Don't buy a product before it was reviewed.
Nobody ever complains about car manufacturers when the car doesn't actually make you "actually free"...
>>701098723
Sure, great games, but their quality control, tech support, and balancing are all pretty bad.
>>701098383
Most of the examples of Bethesda ''dumbing down'' games are fixing the horribly broken ideas from other games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEI4yS7sFEw
sony when they partner with other devs
>no guerilla games
yall r faggots
Paradox Interactive is my favourite and the most trustworthy, they always deliver exactly what they promise.
They have these developer diaries where the devs explain what they've been doing for the past few weeks.
They have an extremely loyal fanbase and a huge modding community, they build the games in a way that people with 0 programming experience can mod the game to an extent.
They have a partially douchebaggy Sales policy because they release expensive DLC's but after the DLC is outdated they lower the price to five bucks, and for people that can't afford the DLC's they release a major patch for every DLC, so all-in-all the DLC is like Extra Content, everybody that buys the original game gets 75% of content in every new major update, which in my view is pretty fuckin' fair.
>>701098778
logic is about information being passed and thinking, to be logical and objective one would have to get rid of the ego and judge people by their strength in brain, there is literally no reason to want more money then you need to live and do your work so wasting time on that is unreasonable, the dumbed down games convey less information and don't make the player think, they relay on the obligatory satisfaction from completing simple tasks by making them seem meaningful so you can be sure the games will be easier.
an easy game posses less of a challenge to who ever is playing it and makes them think less thus using less of their brain so it can be marketed to more ppl cause you will need emotions to find them interesting and everyone got emotions (at least most ppl).
while making a game more difficult and packing more information in it makes for a better product because you get to convey more information and challenge other minds (logical features).
>whool
>>701099383
Hahahaha. I was going to say Paradox Interactive, but then I remembered how thing work with regards to the common consumer.
In a few moments, people will come here to chew your ass out for all kinds of reasons, valid or otherwise. I hope you're ready.
>>701093965
It's all to do with Sony. Beth has been close with MS for years. I don't doubt that it's a problem to get it working with ps4.
>>701089420
Also they fucked Obsidian over on Fallout:NV and Fallout 4 was a terrible fallout game. Fug bethesda
>>701089064
lol blizzard, you high?
>>701097729
>CD Projekt Red
>who?
Not an argument.
>Rockstar
>why? they just re-release the same console game over and over
Not an argument for or against on whether they are trustworthy or not.
>Kojima Productions (TBA)
>meh
Not an argument.
>Square Enix
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not an argument.
>Gearbox Software (MAYBE)
>meh
Not an argument.
>Telltale Games (MAYBE)
>Should be a definite yes bro.
An opinion lacking argument.
>Frontier Games
>who?
Not an argument.
>Larian Games
>who?
Not an argument.
>Bethesda (MAYBE)
>HAHAHAHAHAHA u fkn wot m8
Random bashing.
>Obsidian
>see above
Not an argument.
>Taleworlds Entertainment
>who?
Not an argument.
>Bohemia Interactive (MAYBE)
>I'd say yea
An opinion lacking argument.
>Valve (MAYBE)
>sure they're jews but they bugtest properly and their stuff is well polished. at least their jewery is kept to hats and cosmetic stuff.
Argument holds no value to whether they are trustworthy or not.
>Blizzard (MAYBE)
>really? why? they literally copy everyone else's game and still manage to fuck it up every time. Korea and WoW are the only reason they even lived this long.
Argument holds no value to whether they are trustworthy or not.
>New World Interactive
>Homm3 muh nigga
Not an argument, etc.
If you wanna try again, go ahead. Just try and hold off on the autism next time please.
>>701089408
because they reuse assets, and never seem to get around to fixing their games' largest bugs.
>>701099808
This, they needed more time for new vegas to be polished, but they just wanted them to push out an unfinished game that we ironically call a masterpiece.
>>701099532
I'm drunk and half assed trolling. But that reply. A homerun sir, a homerun
>>701099953
i think it's more because bethesda is fucking spoiled. why fix games when the community does it for you?
like activision. why make smth different when people eat cod up everytime?
>>701100079
>mfw bethesda was rigging obsidian up for failure, so they look like the better dev
>>701091250
more
>>701099532
>Making a game more difficult and packing more information in it makes for a better product.
Did you enjoy walking around for hours looking for quest objectives because of horribly written directions? Bethesda have made massive improvements since Morrowind, where nearly every NPC was literally interchangeable and they stood around all day doing nothing.
>>701098247
/agree
Ludeon Studios and ConcernedApe are the two developers I'm keeping my eye on now.
I know people got pissed at Ty taking vacation last year, but I was not among them.
Seriously, if anyone here hasn't checked out Rimworld or Stardew Valley yet, you need to.
>>701089064
Valve for sure
>ask for your permission before they suck your data, which other publishers just do behind the curtains
>GabeN would "rather watch Valve disintegrate than sell out" (his own words)
>Customer support at mostly acceptable level despite huge ass load of clients
>refunds for games they didn't even make
>focus on making it more fun to play their games (workshop, steam in general, fixes for oldest games, support 3rd party with tech like good devs should) and not solely on making more money
>I bought undertale on sale and reeled the price back in thrice by selling 2 cards
>sales
Also defending bethesda as trustworthy, had no complaints up to now, they gave permission for tons of community projects involving their copyrighted material and they make great games.
Skyrim paid modding was shit I guess yeah but hey they took it down after they saw that people hate it, everyone makes mistakes, but only good devs correct them.
>>701100281
i never even played Morrowind but i will note that difficulty != time consuming
>>701100455
>everyone makes mistakes, but only good devs correct them.
that is literally bethesda's biggest problem though. how many years later now and Skyrim is still fucking broken?
I still can't get over the textures they ripped and used all over FO4
>>701092827
>>701089064
>Square Enix
Based on the stated criteria, that's kinda true. Square Enix is one of the more trustworthy devs/publishers out there. And that is just about the saddest most fucked up thing you can say about the gaming industry in one sentence.
>>701100571
But in a lot of ways, it is. Would you prefer a boss battle that kills you ten times and you get one spuddy kill, or one which is difficult, but not enough to kill you many times over?
>>701099532
this actually isn't what logic is.
also, you guys should get down from the philosophical/spiritual discussion and think about what the topic is.
Game development is an art form. Game publishing is a business. It's as simple as that.
You can hardly have one without the other (though it is possible -> indie). If you want to make a big movie/game you need money. People who provide that money are at risk and have a vested interest. Thus, with BIG money games (AAA-games) there will be safeguards in place to secure the investment. Focus testing and design by committee may detract from the developers artistic vision, but it secures the investors interests.
And remember, all interaction (beyond private communication with single developers) with a game developer is always under the shadow of their money givers desire to protect their investment. Thus, all interaction/twitters/lifestreams/devblogs and whatnot should always be considered advertisement/marketing
no overkill software in list?
fucking shit
:^)
what's that company that thrives on simulators? they have possibly the most solid track record of any company
after the whole tranny thing in the new BG expansion, I wouldn't consider Obsidian trustworthy
>>701101139
didnt they waste millions fucking up that TWD game?
Morrowind and Bethesda is just one giant steaming pile of shit
You should add Warhorse Studios (TBA). The guy behind it is Daniel Vavra, responsible for Mafia and Mafia II. They are currently making Kingdom Come Delivery and it looks promising. Daniel seems a honest guy who likes to make his games realistic and even told sjw to fuck off because he wouldn't add niggers to the game since it's not historically accurate.
>>701089064
What the fuck is "whool"
>>701089064
*they're
>>701089064
This guys face. you can literally see the autism, maybe aspergers
>>701089288
>>701101058
I would prefer a boss battle where i have to use and utilize all i learned in the game up to that point or where i have to think or just where i have to make quick decisions (ie the dark souls approach)
>>701101096
of course I understand that publishers want to get money, I just don't agree its logical to do so.
It is not logical at all to even have publishers as much as you think you need a lot of money to make games and movies and stuff it is not that true, you would need time and intelligence more then money to make a logically intellectually challenging game, the problem begins with the pushing for making companies bigger so they can make more money for their founders, game development is not an art as art has no objective definition but rather it is logical work to convey information and ideas and to challenge people.
the base for games is in the challenge and interaction or else they would be stories, so a game has to stand on its story and game play (ie challeng and convey info) while graphics convey much less information and can be cheaply made to look good by having an art style.
>>701102010
Lot of developers, frontmens must look honest otherwise they don't sale the game to the players
>>701089064
what happened to this game. seriously. they've released the date like 9 times.
>>701089064
>>>> /v/
suqare enix? really anon? really?
they sell in game currency and upgrades for a single player game!
like 1000 units in the story for 2 dollars
and its one time use!
>>701102286
aspergers isn't a thing, never was
>>701102621
Your post is bait, idiot, bethesda is cancer
>>701091889
>>701091889
>>701091889
This this this this
>>701090978
Do you not play WoW? Jesus Christ, WoD was SUCH a fucking lazy failure. They shot themselves in the foot with the piss poor writing and pacing of that goddamn mess of an expansion. Tons of other cut content as well, but WoD is the shinning example of their fuckups.
>>701103325
They're kind of weak with the Fallout series (hence why New Vegas, a game made by Obsidian, not Bethesda is the best in the series), but the Elder Scrolls games are still some of my absolute favorites.
>>701089679
what?
FF14 is an mmo with a monthly subscription, you have to buy the game and buy expansions and they have a shitty cash shop.
What world are you living in where that's ok?
>>701103630
Yeah, I waffle on whether or not Skyrim is any good.
I mean, i've got hundreds of hours in it
but It needs to be modded for it to even be playable.
Should I give bethesda credit? and how much?
>>701103917
they don't get credit for shit they didn't do
judge it by the base state
>>701103025
Tried on /v/
No replies
>>701090306
>a corp wants to make money waaah
>literally purchased activision and mlg
We've got a faggot on our hands
>>701104470
yea its weird maybe because there are more people in /b
>>701089584
>Ubisoft
>downgrade graphics
>>701102281
>>701102219
English isn't my first language, sorry for any mistakes.
>>701094384
I never preorder
I never pay full price
I don't mind waiting
you don't fool me jew
Put Fromsoftware up in that bitch!
>>701089064
You missed paradox
>Welp, Jews own/in charge of Gaming companies.
>same movie model/concept
>no returns allowed
Its like when you go and watch a shitty movie/sequel. They know you cant get your money and if you do stay. They can just sell you the rest of the game in micro transactions. Havent bought a game in years.
>also FUCK PREORDERING
>>701106095
>>701099383
>>701099633
>>701089064
Running With Scissors anyone? When they let another company make Postal 3, they included tons of messages telling you not to buy it in P2 and P2:Paradise Lost
>>701094042
I swear Microsoft will buy anything if you let them. Fucking monopoly machine.
>>701089064
Grinding Gear Games
(Path of Exile)
>>701090306
Overwatch was 40 bucks and has free DLC forever. Could have attempted to grub much more money there.
>>701094355
Holy kek! Let's cover up the fucking zombie queen because reasons.
