How many more years will this "Religion" Shit be going on....Im so tired of it.
Religion is not dying out due to modernity, it may be in decline overall but those who still cling to it are becoming militant in reaction to modernity. Everyone is looking for meaning in this age of nihilistic anomie as society can no longer provide any, and religion is one of the institutions poised to take advantage of this.
I expect the mass populus to get some fucking education. Rather than accepting answers from a bunch of ignorant flat earth fucks who think weve only been around for 6000 years,
religion is declining but only white people religions such as Christianity. Islam is on a massive rise and is the fastest growing religion projected to beat Christianity by the end of the century.
Fuck, More ignorance. I dont care what the ignorance is,i dont want ANY of it. These weak minded individuals. Walking around with empty cups,willingly filling them with water from whatever preaching faggot knocks on the door. It makes me sick.
as i accept the fact that you are free to belive anything you want and that you have the right to your opinion..so should you accept the fact that i can belive anything i want and i have the right to my opinion...
does this make sense to you? i cant explain it any simpler..
can you grasp this concept??
People like you make laugh beliving anything will actually happen to muslims. This is your future this is only the beginnig of mass immigration from the middle east. They are gonna live in your country produce more kids than your people while spreading their religion and slowly generation by generation taking more of your country.
This simply isnt true.
If they were so busy on their knees knealing and praying,there wouldnt have been time for all the scientific disciveries. I suspect they simply went along with religion to avoid social outcast.
the bitter irony of it is that you're as backwards and illogical as some fundamentalist cult because you're also espousing and pushing ideology that you have no firm understanding of in a blind appeal to your perceived authority.
Muslims do not think that way. If you just "let" a muslim believe what he wants. he will be peaceful for awhile.
but as soon as he has support or outnumbers the non religious, then they enact sharia law and have people killed or beaten.
You can't just "live and let live" now because groups are taking advantage of your tolerance and using it as a tool to subjugate you
The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”
― Werner Heisenberg
i dont expect you to like it..i am willing to defend your right to belive freely in anything,,i might not agree with it but i respect that right..so get over it deal with your own issues and problems and let others live as they see fit..your views are yours,,i dont give a flying fuck what you think is ignorance or not..just live your fucking life away from mine,,,,,,,dipshit
Play Dead Space. But you can get away from it if you go to the right place. You don't even have to go to Europe. Where I'm at no one is overly religious but there's not 5 million liberals either. A small progressive city is what you want.
Your ideas of what is fact vs opinion is obviously whimsical, baseless, and mired in your confirmational bias.
What you're doing is little more than trolling unless you actually make a coherent argument that doesn't revolve around your faith beleifs in your secular ideologies which you probably have no real understanding of beyond, some retarded "Science good, religion bad" faith based bullshit.
I believe that it is a human interpretation attempting to define a divine interpretation.
Whether you believe we were created by someone or something is not important; it is what you learn from that someone or something that is.
Religion sets the base building blocks in society to work on; don't steal, don't kill, don't fuck my wife etc. it is up to the individual to build on those blocks and make their own way into the world.
good for you ...
seems like you got it all figured out..
It's built into us.
Humans, globally, have worshipped deities since the dawn of man... Every tribe, in every unreachable distant part of the globe.
A lot of kids say they are atheist when they learn a little about science because of the appeal of the idea that mankind is in control and the ultimate creature. This fuels the narcissism and selfishness that is present in all people, especially children, and it appeals easily to people's natures.
A clear and literate, and understanding mind quickly finds out with enough research, that our understanding of how the nature of matter and energy exist and operate is very theoretical, and there is much more that we do not know than what we know.
Honestly, it's the pot calling the kettle black. I've known some atheists that were way more idiotic and irrational than some hardcore evangelicals I've met. Most of people's beliefs, whether secular or theistic are based on faith in people they don't know and never met, and they don't even understand that.
Thought experiment relgious fags:
You were born yesterday.
Alone on this earth.
The only one.
There are no books or other people around to tell you what to believe in.
Would you come up with God/Religion on your own?
Fucking doubtful. You would live happily off the land and not give a flying fuck.
Yo' fedora tipper. Shouldn't you be harassing females and being enlightened?
>HURR ALL RELIGIONS BAD
Nothing short of mass genocide of all religious people would rid the world of religion. I don't think you can systematically get rid of organized religion without being
> MK II Mega Hitler 2.0 (Patent Pending)
otherwise just chill for a bit. Smoke a fat J and relax while the people who have religion believe what they want. We all end up in the same place as worm food. Why ruin it being angry at people.
>It's built into us.
This was my point here >>700979004
It begins with simple belief, such as the cave man hearing a stick break in the dark. He believes it may be a predator instead of believing it was nothing at all, and so he prepares a defense or flees, etc. That belief is a survival mechanism. That's something any animal has, but that combined with our higher intelligence results in things like religion.
How the fuck would you be born alone? That's impossible. What is this your Sci-fi story?
You would disappear without a trace by doing that, but my people would begin civilization and written history and guide the people into the future.
Look up the first cause arguments. Many philosophers, and hundreds of physicists use it to argue for the existence of God. There is also the cosmological argument for contingency. The ignorant one here seems to be you. As you haven't brought up a single argument against religion. All you have done is use ad hominem
>I believe in a magical sky wizard
If you look for The Truth long enough, you find God. If you don't believe it, you've probably been too busy picking up what other people are setting down for you, to actually look for yourself.
Most people who are void of religion nowadays are a bunch of delusional degenerates, one side is rushing towards a new dark age of religious inquisition, while another side is rushing towards a new dark age of abominations. Your life will be just as meaningless no matter what side prevails cur
it always will be. the names just change. sjws are just as lunatic and fanatic as the christains before them. they just don't have the will power or conviction to burn non-believers at the stake (but they will u-friend you on face book). for thousands of years we killed off those that didn't believe (or at least pretend to believe) in god. its kinda written in our genes from the survivors of these year that we believe in something greater than ourselves and god usually fits nicely and since most people are too dumb or too susceptible to group-think they have to look to religion to find god instead of treating it as the entirely personal relationship it is.
strap yourself in anon, cause 60 years of new ideas doesn't hold a candle to 1000s of years of breeding.
hurr durr I'm an adult and I believe in magic.
You can't argue with a dead guy, but I'd give Epicurus hell in a debate.
He seems to completely bypass the understanding of Time as an agent for change and evolution. Mankind is a work in progress, not a final product. Everything man goes through is to weed out the evil while Man is yet unborn and fragile, so when we reach the point where we have developed enough to where we are allowed the tree of everlasting life, granting us immortality, we are not tyrannical world eaters, that will scour the universe, but instead co-creators with God.
As a necessity developed by human psychology.
The overwhelming fear of death and not knowing why we are what we are,made religion a necessity for our survival,a phycological coping mechanism to go on living without fear.
no but... umm people are bad sometimes. and. well if they are bad then god cant be perfect because i dont like how people traet each other simetimes so that means all religion is a lie and Im just to smart for it.
When I read this, I imagined you sitting at a child-size computer desk with your fedora levitating above your head six inches. You spin around 360° in your computer chair and just as your fedora drops down onto your head, your click *post.
One isn't logic, it's a bald-faced strawman argument, and the other is like a quote by Epicurus, and his logic isn't infallible. A valid argument against his statement has already been presented here.
its simple you faggots...its not about whether there is a god or not..its a redundant arguement...its about YOU and only YOU choosing to belive or not..its that simple..its that easy to undestand ,,if you dont understand then im sorry. theres something wrong with you...theres no comeback to this no answer....
YOUR SHIT----------MY SHIT
simple aint it? you take care of your shit ..i'll take care of my shit..we dont have to fuck with each others shit....
Not edgy, just reality. You don't have some god given or even constitutional right to my respect. You aren't protected from me calling you a fucking retarded faggot for believing in a magical sky wizard.
a vast array of evidence? have you seen it? Scientific consensus? where u there when the consensus was reached?
what dont you understand i cant explain it any simpler..unless you want an explanation of my post in potato speak....and my city gives free internet without bandwidth restrictions you chromosome thief
>just dont force your beliefs on m
Sounds good in theory, but the reality is that we are in a zombie apocalypse of the people who believe in magical beings. They are the overwhelming vast majority. They vote, and therefore their delusional world view is thrust on us all.
>how are we supposed to work together for the advancement of shit?
Evolution isn't about working together in harmony. It's about the very best killing off everyone else, and seeding the world with the best genes, and repeating the cycle until something coherent enough to have Earth blossom and send its seeds out to other planets comes along.
We're all part of a grand work in progress. We're not even near the final chapter. Humans have this thing about wanting to be the center of the universe, but that's just another reason why we are not "it".
So you're saying that if you just poofed into existence, you would just be happy and just not question anything? That would be true because you would live off of instincts and he would also grow up to live with the chimps so I guess you're right in a way.
>Hurrr it's just a theory hurr
No, child. No. A scientific theory is something that has actual, viable evidence supporting it, something your Bible is not. The "theory of gravity", for example. Learn the difference between "theory" and "hypothesis", uneducated retard.
Mk II mega Hitler 2.0 did nothing wrong
>taking obvious b8
>being this fucking autistic
Yep. Theory =/= wild guess. Presenting theories is the entire purpose of the scientific method. A theory is that for which there is NO contradictory evidence. So when you hear someone say "it's just a theory", punch them in their throat as soon as possible.
we CAN have the same shit..i meant ''shit'' as our beliefs in the post..but as for regular shit ..if wwe respect each others beliefs i dont see why we cant work togeher for better shit...
You took the double reverse bait newfag.
The fact that you say that means you have fallen into my trap. Triple reverse backwards trolled.
get all the people that belive in the same things as you and take them all to greenland..theres plenty of room there..just overthrow their weak ass goverment and declare a godless state/nation
>lalalalala I cant hear you
You are the guy who always thinks he is the smartest i person wherever you are and anyone who thinks differently is just too ignorant to understand your brilliance.
Go huff paint until you've killed off half of your braincells you arrogant monkey.
Dont fucking focus on it
There is so much to do, why would you keep on thinking about a thing that you cannot change, or do nothing for to change?
The cult that has risen on youtube recently of atheists calling out the stupidity in religion is utterly hypocritical.
Doing this is the same as following a religion, only that being religious is probably healthier for you, as they are not that tense all the time.
As well as religion, this cult emphasizes that one knows the "truth", gains followers and tells these individuals that they are better in some way.
I have one friend which apparently follows this cult and i am sincerely scared of getting him off of it because it seems that he gains some sense of connectivity by watching those unpolite, inhuman fat weeaboos talking about how much stupider a bunch of people is, only to feel better themselves.
Dude, you're focused on the wrong thing. Sky wizard is waaaay more probable than eating a dead person, a human sacrifice no less, and drinking his blood after a healthy amount of chanting getting you into his cloud kingdom.
You see, you're with the strawman nonsense again. Nobody here said anything about sky wizards but you.
Legitimate religious scholars know of God as the Unmoved Mover. The Unborn, who with but a tiny fragment of his being, pervades and supports the entire universe.
You make it sound like we're talking about a giant old guy in a wizard suit and pointy hat floating around granting magical wishes. Don't think that just because you think you know some retards that everyone who believes in God has some child-like primitive idea of what He is.
The fact is that there is much more to reality that we do not know to contrast what we know.
If everything was created by chance, a mere coincidence, then you were too, and so are your all your thoughts.
If your thoughts are coincidences of nature, can you trust them?
You have founded your entire secular belief system on faith. Not just faith, but faith in something you obviously have never even looked into yourself.
Where do you think all the matter and energy in the universe came from? It was always there? What's that? Always there? Well, shit, son, that sounds like the most fundamental Theistic argument in existence, to me.
This is not even a proof. You say 'i know only a little bit of all shit ... but i know for sure there is a god because i need to have an easy explanation for why i don't know all the shit'
so much wrong with what you're saying.
Science teaches us that we are insignificant in this universe - much more humility than believing a god created you in his image and watches over you and cares about you. That is much more narcissistic.
Faith in other human beings is based on evidence. Human interaction over your entire life has TAUGHT you to trust in other humans. Faith isn't even a factor there.
Faith = belief when you have no good reason to believe.
So, where do you think the energy in the universe came from? You know, The big bang. I guess it was Stephen Hawkins invented it and you just want to suck his dangly bits? Is that it?
Or how about you think for yourself and find that there is no rational scientific theory that explains the origin of energy. Saying God was there first is no more of a leap in logic that saying this gargantuan theoretical universal engine has just been chugging along "forever" and was just "always there"
do you have any idea how completely fucking absurd you sound bashing one faith based belief because of your faith based belief? You're orders of magnitude worse than religious nuts because you have the audacity to claim scientific support, when anyone who knows this debate well, knows you are completely full of fucking shit that only a child would believe.
The answer is we don't know the whole story, and we may never know it. Science does not claim to know what was before the big bang.
The point is that this doesn't somehow make literally anything in the bible true, especially when so much scientific knowledge directly contradicts the bible.
You're just going in circles with your reasoning. Science teaches us much, it's not science that's the problem, it's human nature, as I said. You're just trying to validate your preexisting beliefs right now. You aren't using any real logic right now. Just floundering around. Let me show you.
>Human interaction over your entire life has TAUGHT you to trust in other humans.
This is categorically false. And the fact that would even entertain the idea shows how fucking cloudy your judgement is on the matter.
all religions or just the 'religion of peace'
I'm not even talking about the bible you fucking imbecile. How long will it take you niggers to understand that evangelical Christianity does not hold the monopoly on the idea of God?
Go argue with your pastor, nigger. You atheists are the ones that keep bringing up the bible, not us.
No one knows and no one is claiming to know, it could have always existed, maybe we live in a simulation that started then or any infinite other possibilities that we know nothing about.
What is easy to deduce and understand is that the Bible is a myth and the answers do not lie within.
Smart people can have dumb opinions and dumb people can have smart opinions
Also, don't underestimate societal pressure
The cognitive dissonance of being raised religious can sometimes hold back even the smartest people
Who honestly gives a shit? Atheists are so ignorant that they won't respect a single fucking opinion, and Christians and some other religions think they rule the world. It seems like the only smart answer to this is "I will see if there is a god when I die". So how about we wait to see if there is a god or not?
Sure it does. Who the fuck said I was a southern baptist? Dude, wake the fuck up, man. Do you believe the existence of God hinges on a book?
I'm not the person to argue that with, nigger. I think a lot of what we do is selfish and people often use the name of God for selfish reasons and invoke his will incorrectly all the time. Just look at ISIS, that's what they do all the time and it's just manipulation of the believers.
I don't take anything on faith, I believe in science because I can observe it, the same way there is an observable pattern of relgious fictions being created and used to manipulate
If there is a creator, it's just a smart alien
And above all, remember that science is undefeatable, because when you find something that contradicts it, it just acknowledges it was wrong and moves on
We got to this point through extensive observation and thinking which led us to set up the theory of the big bang, which is exactly what it is, a theory.
No observations and no formula has ever had the result that theoretically, there could be a god which speaks through men to command them what they should and should not do.
But, there have been studies showing how popular religions were led by influential people who told a mass of people what they wanted to hear and in change, they wanted them to do certain things, or more imortantly, not do certain things.
When intellectual and influential individuals tell a mass of crowds how they should live that doesn't mean that this neccessarily is a bad thing though.
Solely through religion, a big part of the world has become organized, hygenic and thoughtful of their neighbors.
The time of enlightenment is in its baby shoes, but it is now more developed then ever it seems.
One day humanity may not need religion any more, but that day is a day which we will not be able to witness.
I don't think I'm superior to the people on this thread. In fact, I think I'm pretty retarded when it comes to smart opinions.
your the reason people don't like atheism.
Listen up faglords, and listen well.
The Truth is there is no truth.
We're piecing together a puzzle that doesn't end and has many holes in it we can never fill.
Pretending you have an answer to everything is wrong and possibly evil by standards of "Good" or "Bad"... if you believe those false dichotomies exist.
I don't have any answers. and neither do you. We're all in the dark, together.
The thing I worry about is that people allow (ir)religion to motivate their living patterns. When you do that, what have you gained/lost? What is the cost we pay to have motivated robots that believe their God will repay them for their deeds?
On myself: I believe we're all one mind broken up into about 7 billion bodies. We must form the true, One-Mind again. There was some form of evil/hatred that split us apart. We must find positive, loving motivations to exist together. Religion doesn't seem to be a positive, loving motivator in many cases.
>Doing this is the same as following a religion, only that being religious is probably healthier for you, as they are not that tense all the time
>being religious is probably healthier for you
>they are not that tense all the time.
I'm not sure how that statement is categorically false.
The argument is against "faith" as necessary in any part of life. I'd further argue that faith could be rewritten as gullibility.
To put it another way, do you have faith that I'm a human? I'd argue you don't need faith to know that I'm a person. HOw? Because you have evidence pointing to that fact. It's not based on faith.
So I'm assuming on that day every him is simple not going to be afraid of the unknown? No human no matter how smart is ever going to get rid of this fear in sentient beings. We fear death and we fear what's on the other side. What is wrong with taking solace in something that gives you some comfort? I'm not talking fanatics I'm talking your blue collar man or woman.
People won't need religion when they don't need science, because fundamentally, they are the same, sharing the same roots.
Science and religion both become dogma in the wrong hands, and that's what people here are arguing against. The dogma, which is easy to deride and ridicule.
Some people are genuinely interested in the truth, and some see God when they look for it, and that's as valid as seeing some alien overlord, or energetic singularity, frankly, because past a certain point, science simply does not and can not answer the pressing questions.
the idea that science evolves to some critical information singularity is no different that the idea of the Christian Rapture, or whatever. Everyone is full of hate and hope and whimsical ideas.
>As well as religion, this cult emphasizes that one knows the "truth", gains followers and tells these individuals that they are better in some way.
But they ARE better, in at least one way: they don't believe in nonsense.
No amount of image macros of fat guys talking about euphoria changes this.
And equating loudmouthed attention-whore atheists on YouTube to religious movements is flat out retarded.
And there's your (You).
7 billion? What a small world you must live in. There are trillions of lives on this world. Many of which spend their whole lives on a speck of dust in a sunbeam somewhere.
But seriously, I agree with most of what you say, except that as far as I can tell, the entire reason mankind is so advanced is because we broke away and literally killed the competition to be on top of the food chain. Now we're left with our heritage of consumption, and we are each others prey now.
The only solution I see is another genetic bottleneck where only the best establish a new world order and the rest are recycled into the new order as spare parts, like has always happened since the dawn of evolution.
science: based on evidence, critical thinking, no dogmatas, everything is possible
religion: based on an old book, believe everything you read, full of dogmatas, there is only one answer for everything
where are they the same? they are literally the opposite. religion is just the solution for people who can't live without an explanation for everything. and to calm down their anxiety of the death. everyone who can accept the darkness in knowledge and future doesn't need religion. sure there are good things in religion too, but we could have them without religion too.
If you don't think science has dogma, then without knowing it, you yourself are spreading blind dogma by saying it doesn't.
I can't make it any more clearer to you than that. Dogma is everywhere. Scientists with different theories are everywhere.
Agnostic atheism, also called atheistic agnosticism, is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism.
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.
The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known.
>When you don't know, you can't just make shit up.
That's exactly what all these people are doing though. They act like they know and base that false knowledge as the proof of invalidating the idea of God,. It's absurd circular reasoning.
sure there are scientists with different theories everywhere, but they are theories not dogmas, every scientists tries to find evidence for his theories and other try to disproof. the fact that people look for proof/disproof shows that it is not an dogma.