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We need a #Bexit.
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>>700946770
Good luck with that.
Too many cuck'd liberals in Europe, specifically Belgium.
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>>700946770
we need a revolution
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>>700946908
Yes we do.
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I'm scared by the trending rise in nationalism.

War soon I feel.
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We should blow their targets before they do. That'll show them.
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America invented the formula for cancer. Now it's our turn.
>>700947060
Nationalism isn't the problem it's the solution. The problem is what should scare you.
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>>700947060
Since when is nationalism a bad thing? Caring for collective well-being is bad?
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>>700947116
curing cancer*
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>>700946770
This happened because of (belgian) intelligence services being incompetent not because of the european union
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>>700947139
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>>700947126
Nationalism is only caring for a smaller collective. The world has managed to come together so much in the last 100 years. Now because some dumb fucks pushed it too far it is all coming undone and coalitions are breaking apart.
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>>700947256
Hahaha nice try Soros.
>It's Belgians fault let's all just hate ourselves and let shitskins destroy our nation.
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>>700947256
>EU pushes and promotes growth of islam in europe
>islam creates problems
More muslims, more terrorism (which is the smallest problem with islam actually).
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>>700946908
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>>700947390
Imagine you have two groups of people. One is closed and focused on its own prosperity. The other one is 100% open and doesnt prefer itself over the other group.

Which group will survive?

Societies without nationalism are temporary anomalies, unable to survive with competing societies.
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>>700947390
t. no knowledge on history nor nationalism
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>>700946770
How is the way your justice disfunction linked to the fact that Belgium is part of the EU ?
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>>700947390
The first world,
we all still collectively exploit the third.
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>>700947860
>exploit
How *exactly*?
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I didn't know Belgium was still a thing
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>>700947856
No EU, 80% less muslims.
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>>700947592
And this kind of thinking is what scares me. I can't dispute your argument but I think it's pretty far to the right. The "Us Vs Them" idea will only lead to aggression, it's basically tribalism on a bigger scale. Some degree of nationalism is most likely required in the current global setting but too much and we will stop cooperating.
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>>700947958
Well, its pretty much a non-country.
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>>700947939
By purchasing goods from abusive companies with no regulations whatsoever, simply because it's cheaper

>inb4 "they agree to it"

Because somebody agrees to something does not make it just

>inb4 they're better off

No they'd be better off with a government that wasn't trying to make money, rather one that stood by its principles of helping the people


This is mainly talking about China but can be applied to almost all other developping countries
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>>700947958
>>700948126
Blame the anglos for not letting France and Netherlands annex it
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>>700948035
You still dont get it, do you? Its the same thing as pacifism - its a beautiful idea, but it only works if ALL societies obey it. If even a single one doesnt, everyone gets fucked by it.

Your kind of thinking is what scares me. Its the people like you who will make europe fall to islam.

Extreme selfishness (nazis?) is about the same dangerous and destructive as extreme altruism and selflessness. There needs to be a balance.

Every entity must preserve itself and defend its own existence, otherwise it will perish sooner or later. That works for animals, humans, nations, civilisations alike.

>it's pretty far to the right
Wanting to survive is now "far right"? What a wonderful world we live in.

>I can't dispute your argument
Thats because leftism is based on emotions and not logic. Therefore it inevitably suffers from logical inconsistencies everywhere.
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>>700948126
Take us away to a better place Farrage.
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>>700947860
That is the injustice which, in trying to be addressed, is causing all this discontent. "Why should we share our wealth with people who don't deserve it?". "Because it's the right thing to do" isn't a good enough response for some people, especially when those we are trying to help seem to be killing us.
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You need that congo back
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>>700947116
Nationalism is not a solution to anything. It's a way to get morons to join the army for free when the toffs want someone invaded. It's monkey thinking and it needs to die.

The problem of Europe is the governments breaking the social contract with their own citizens for the sake of catering to rich fucks, which is painted as liberal agenda. Minorities get favored treatment when they commit crimes, they are not put under any pressure to integrate, more and more of them are being let in without any selection process. I know the whole point is to reduce the cost of labor, thus making our products more competitive on the market, but us down here on the streets won't feel any benefits from that. We just get to guess if one of the towelheads who just moved in is a terrorist plotting to hit the local school.

Pull out of Middle East, let things settle, help them rebuild. That's the solution. That's the only solution.
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>>700948593
That doesn't mean it isn't there,
or should not be acknowledged.
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>>700948035
I think the biggest issue is a complete lack of respect for themselves, coupled with the migrants own disrespect for the hosting countries. Nationalism isn't necessarily a bad thing, provided your pride in one's own country's achievements is counter-weighed by a healthy respect for the accomplishments of other nations achievements.
The only real problem with nationalism is when you start to devalue the accomplishments of others.
It's really saddening to see what's happening in the west right now as someone who has spent their life studying world history. . .
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>>700948557
I think you're misunderstanding me.

>One is closed and focused on its own prosperity. The other one is 100% open and doesnt prefer itself over the other group.

The idea that people think this is a representative description of the global climate is what scares me. If you honestly think that this is accurate then you are far more right than you think you are as it is totally unreasonable and choked in fear.
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>>700948234
>no regulations
Regulations are created by local governments. It's part of the law like anything else.

>inb4 "they agree to it"
They dont?

>Because somebody agrees to something does not make it just
So they are little children who cant decide for themselves? Take it or leave it. Noone is forcing them at gunpoint.

>No they'd be better off with a government that wasn't trying to make money
No money => no police, no healthcare, no education.

>rather one that stood by its principles of helping the people
Your people making money is the best way to help your people. Actually, the only way.
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>>700948775
Build a wall around the Middle East and make the Jews pay for it?
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>>700948775
sorry to say as a person from asia i can tell you towelheads are nothing like the first world has ever seen. they are united so you will require something similar nationalism is the answer.
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>>700949002
>liberal-tards ACTUALLY believe the capitalist system is desirable to third worlders
kek
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>>700948977

Of course it doesnt reflect reality *precisely*, there are thousands of individual societies. It was an analogy.

Let me ask you again: do you think that a nation being 100% selfless and altruistic (that what you propose) can survive against those who arent?
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>>700946770
How the fuck can someone who's been sentenced for 9 years walk the streets again in (less than) 4 years!?
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>>700949193
I am not a liberal. Quite the opposite actually.
topkek indeed
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>>700948557
Nazis are one of many groups in history we can look at to see why socialism is the true us against them mentality. In order to have a socialist rule, you need everyone to agree to the conditions within that government. For someone to disagree is for someone to then become part of the out group. Nazis used race and religion, surprise surprise, the current hardcore left is using race and religion. I say hardcore left deliberately because leftists love the "not all..." argument.
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>>700947060
war against muslims in Europe would be perfectly fine to me.
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>>700948779
Certainly not. I wish there was a easy fix but it will take decades at-least of comprise to even start changing the way things things are.
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>>700949344
>>700948775
Oh! Thank you. Another out group nazis used was "rich jews". Now we use simply "rich fucks". Still, the out group should be hated. Almost forgot about that one.
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>>700949344

Why are you bringing nazis and socialism into this? There is no relevance.

Stick to the topic and answer my question.
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>>700949508

Nice strawman.

Nobody here proposes that some "out group" should be hated. Where do you see that?

How come leftists here cant show logical arguments and use only fallacies instead? O.o
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>>700949218

Anyone notice that when you take a neutral stance against someone who is either far left or far right you always get accused of being on the other hand?

To answer your question, No. But I think that if you condone being part of a country only looking out for its own interests then you are no better than the side you are so fearful of.
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>>700947576
I wonder who's behind this post.
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>>700949736
Thx for answer.

I dont thing that a nation should only look out for its own interests. Thats actually against its own interest. I think there should be a balance (I think I wrote that already, not sure now).
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>>700949021
This.
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>>700948234
Have you seen Empire of Dust?
That's what kind of shit they get to govern in all those shitskin countries. No hope.
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>>700949725
I said I'm against leftists. No idea what you're talking about.
>>700949548
I'm not going to answer your question because I agree with you...
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>>700947958
We are even building a wall. It's not finished yet though.
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>>700946770
Belgium isn't a real nation anyway.
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>>700950461
Atleast we don't have a rigged presidential candidate.
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>>700947126
"nationalism is an infantile disease. it is the measles of mankind"

albert einstein
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>>700950568
If you don't care about the place you live in then why would you care about maintaining it?
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>>700950568
You are right. We shouldn't fight back to anything we should
#alldietogether Who are we to decide whom may not decapitate people because we are all le human race even though cults are the problem.
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>>700950568

Tell that to Prussians or Tartars. They got fucked and murdered en masse for not being able to form/sustain nationalism.

Albert was no doubt a great scientist, but he was wrong on many things, even in physics ("god doesnt play dice with universe" on quantum physics etc.). Doesnt mean everything he says is holy. Thats an argumentation fallacy.

I prefer to hear sociologists on the topic of society, dont you think thats better?
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>>700950803
I will fight for my beliefs. I just don't believe in my country, and nor should anyone. If you do, I suggest thinking long and hard about why that is.
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>>700951131
>I just don't believe in my country, and nor should anyone.
So you dont care what happens to your country and its people and you take pride in it?

I am starting to think that you are just a troll, because this is incredible.
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>>700951131
Wait. So what are your believes and what are you implying I'm confused.
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>>700951303
Why would I be proud of my country, I didn't make it or work for it? I can care about the people who live in a country and still not give two shits about the name of the bit of land they live on or the nationality of the governors as long as they govern in a way that I agree with.
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>>700951419
Generic stuff; freedom, justice, human rights, ect. My point is that those beliefs are separate from my nationality, which is literally just were I happened to be born.
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>>700950748
>>700950803
>>700950943
he's referencing a cod death quote you dingbats
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>>700951692
But those people = nation. Nation isnt some abstract something, its literally the people.

Thats what it is, you contradict yourself.

>Why would I be proud of my country, I didn't make it or work for it?
If everyone in history of your country acted like you, it wouldnt even exist and you would live in central-africa-tier shithole (where nationalism practically doesnt exists, what a coincidence)...
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>>700946770
What you need is a Terraxit. Get out of the universe. Monsieur Poirot.
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>>700951907
>My point is that those beliefs are separate from my nationality
LOLWUT? Are you being serious? This must be a bait, kek
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>>700946770
the problem is not enough muslims
if u had more muslims he would have felt more welcome in your country and less of an outcast
so just keep aquireing more muslims and soon you will have everlasting peace
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>>700946770
i guess everyone is a retard

look at the pic, you'll see it's edited

either OP is a huge dumbass or bait
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>>700951907
>Human rights
Getting away with murder isn't a human right.
>Freedom
What forced Burka?
>Justice
Yeah look at op pic you chump.

Tom Van Grieken will rise.
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>>700952144
I never said I wasn't part of a nation. By the definition of the word, I am. Hell, I am probably what would be considered a model citizen of my nation. My beliefs and morals have been shaped by the morals of the nation I grew up in.

But, if that group of people, that "nation" start acting in a way that I don't agree with then I will feel no need to go along with it just because it's "My nation".

I'm probably coming across far more contrary than I mean to.
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>>700952388
Get that shitskin out of my thread.
>>700952441
I got it from reddit Vlaams Belang. No it's not edited.
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>>700952646
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>>700947390
Only because you are a nationalist doesn't mean you want to destroy other nations or people, wanting to keep your country and culture unmixed and pure should be anyone's right.
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>>700952637
>But, if that group of people, that "nation" start acting in a way that I don't agree with then I will feel no need to go along with it just because it's "My nation".

I strongly agree with that. Seems like you westerners have some weirdly warped and deformed idea of what nationalism is.

Decades of leftism have some effect I assume.
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>>700952388
the problem is you're still breathing
i hope you fuckers are sterilized you dont have a right to reproduce since you do it so fast anyways
cant blame u dough
what is there to do in buttfuck nowhere desert land?
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>>700952834
gas em!
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>>700952834
Holy shit that poor innocent Mudslime. Fucking white racists we need to all just let it go.
Who cares about borders and laws and death and despair.
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>>700953036
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>>700952842
Yeah, look at Japan.
There is something very nice, special and comforting among living in a society where everyone has a shared history, a shared culture.
Theres a sense of unity and togetherness like you're all in the same boat.
I think societies like that are much nicer then the countries made by big Government globalist control freaks where the native people and the native culture is constantly demonized and all the shittiest cultures like Islam are celebrated over your own in your own land.
Yeah... I'll take Japan like ethnic Nationalism over today's absurd no borders no discrimination globalism.
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>>700952842
If communist or gay if you want to kill muslims you cant be a bad guy IMHO
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>>700947060
Merkel get out!
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>>700953480
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Did somebody say Trump?
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>>700946908
Just grab your guns, take to the streets, and take your country back!

Oh wait...
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>>700953132
Serbs are basically Christian turks
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Ga nog wat aan je lul trekken op foto's van Filip Dewinter vuile kakhoeren!
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>>700946770
Why you guys simply don't vote for politicians who support immigration, and vote for politicians who don't support?
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>>700949725
>Points out logical fallacy
>Proceeds to generalise that all leftists are illogical and incapable of creating arguments that aren't flawed
I don't expect you to understand why you're a retard
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>>700946908

Yes kill the King!
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>>700949344
>Nazis used race and religion, surprise surprise, the current hardcore left is using race and religion

>implying /pol/tards only ironically hate whole races and religions because to generalise a race or religion as being the source of all evil in the world is a perfectly sound idea
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>>700953569
>implying we don't have guns
Belgium does have weapons including guns.
>>700954373
>implying the king have any sort of real power
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>>700953897
we have 6 governments. And voting doesn't work, since there are a bunch of laws and rules in place to keep the current parties in the gouvernement at all cost.
Losing an election by having 0 votes will result in only 1/3 of loss in chairs max. If a small party doesn't get the minimum votes in any city, the votes in that city of that party will go to te current biggest party. Not voting is voting for the current biggest party.
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>>700953553
What a self hating cunt. She is the worst German ever. She will be the end of Germany and Europe as you know it. And the European faggots eat this shit up and sit idly by as her and her supporters welcome a violent culture in with open arms. Better not defend yourself next time a raghead decides to spontaneously combust. It'll be the gulag for racism. Also don't call erdogan a goat fucker. Remember you fucks do NOT have freedom of speech
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>>700954639
Your gun rights are so neutered that you might as well not have any to begin with. How many laws do you break if you defend yourself with a gun?
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>>700954712
Wow! How it got to this point?
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>>700953897
It's all rigged. It's Europe what did you think. I heard before that they take away votes to fit their dictatorship.
Tom Van Grieken when?
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>>700953569
>Just grab your guns, take to the streets, and take your country back!

It is so ironic to read this from an American... a country that is run my special interest.
The Land of The Free which has the most unfree (aka in prison) ppl in the world.

Your owners are so sure about it, that they give you the choice between Trump and Hillary and they think you still won't see reality!
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>>700954712
last election the blanc votes do not go to any party.
But still being forced to vote is anal.
>>700954980
depending on the situation, is it at home, is it a legal weapon, has the person a weapon, did you wounded/killed the person, was it by accident or intended. There are so many things to keep in mind.
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>>700955400
1 whole cent has been donated to your account. Enjoy. You deserved it.
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>>700953569
>>700954639
>>700954980
yeah only the US had guns... didn't you know?
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>>700955504
I mean a dude kicks in your door and proceeds to beat your wife to death with his bare hands. Or even on the street proceeds to beat your wife to death with his bare hands. A big 127kg(eurofag math it's 280freedom units) motherfucker that she can't get away from and you're standing there with a loaded gun and shoot him until he stops moving. Here in the USA that's a good shoot and literally nothing will happen aside from a probable handshake from the police and a thank you.
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>>700946770
Belgium is fuckin Destroyed by these types of Mokros ( mostly marrokan ) you can't even be out in the city in the weekends without getting into a conflict with them just for watching at them can be enough for them to start fighting .
we saw it coming way back when i was wtill a youngster but never thought it would be so extreem like these days FFs
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>>700955692
We're the only ones legally allowed to use them adequately and unhindered for the most part
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>>700953569
Same applies to you, burger. All you do is jack each other off to the thought of having an armed revolution as you watch recaps of this year's best handegg replays and imagine fucking your sister. America is too cucked to have an armed revolution. The government doesn't fear you at all. You can blame everyone else for not doing it, but you dixietards are all the same.
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>>700956038
>also has a mass shooting every second

no guys, its just a coincidence! We need more guns!
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>>700946908
It's funny how Belgians think they are a real nation

I mean come on you are just the not so fucked up France
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>>700947060
It's just americans let them be they're harmless they don't hurt anyone but themselves.
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>>700956415
not really
mass shootings by non-Muslims accounting for .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of deaths in any decade and gun crime
they do happen but very rarely
now obviously because of Muslim immigration they are happening more often but we brought that upon ourselves
also if you get rid of black ghetto communities the gun crime rate is on-par with or is lower then most European countries despite their much weaker or non-existent gun rights
So yeah occasionally giving up a few lives for an important freedom is worth it and a risk most Americans are willing to take though with better healthcare and screening for troubled isolated individuals even those rare losses can be lessened.
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>>700946770
no guys u don't need to destroy the eu this would be weak ur countries against Islam, even i think brigfags needs to return to eurozone
gonna tell u what u need, when ww2 in america build concentration camps 4 japs in facilities constructed under extreme security measures, then u need to do the same 4 those sandnigga rapefugees & deporting those who do not conform immediately & when the contingence with syria/isis stops then return those ppl to thier sand homeland, if they don't wan`t then not be allowed to stay in ur eurocontries yo fags
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>>700955841
I doubt even in the USA you will get a handshake from a cop if you killed a guy specially if it was a nigger, shit will hit the fan.
Anyway because this is an act of self defence you won't get jailed or fined if you beat him up. using a gun can only be used when there is no other option to safe yourself or another from an attacker.
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>>700956415
Guy you replied to. White school shootings(what you mean) account for 6% of 0.2% of 0.6% of all death. That's not a problem that justifies infringing the rights of 90 million Americans.
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>>700957062
Aaaaand it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>700946770
>what is innocent until proven guilty
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>>700946908
europe can't into revolution anymore
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>>700957300
Britain still can but its on the cusp.
They might need to purge London or atleast keep the virus from growing. Maybe just put a big fence around London.
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>>700957169
I am.
You can only use the gun according to our law as a last resort as an act of defence.
The scenario you wrote you can't use the gun. If he was threatening to use an firearm/weapon or beating her to near death with a weapon or shooting at her that would be okay to shoot him.
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>>700957091
Well if these numbers are to low for you lets take a look at a different example:
According to the cdc in 2013 died 10,6 out of 100,000 people though firearm injuries in the US.
In the same year in Germany it was a total number of 57 (that 0.071 per 100.000).

So I don't want to take away your rights, you have to decide for yourself, but if the rate of firearm deaths is nearly 5 times higher than the death count caused by HIV, you might consider it as a problem.

And don't start with the shitty argument that switzerland has more guns per citizen than the USA and less deaths, so it couldn't be about the guns.
That is complete bullshit, in switzerland the people who own a gun were in the army and trained to use one. If you would train everyone to be careful with his guns, no one would want to take them away. But as long as the USA is full of fucktards who accidentally shoot their families you have a real problem, which would be fixed by banning guns.
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Got a feeling this is gonna turn into a Europe vs America thread...
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>>700958348
Well here in America a 280 lb man beating a 100lb woman to death with his hands is using deadly force. Good shoot. Especially if you're also an average sized guy trying to take him on.
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>>700958523
ok and if you take out high crime gangbanging black communities the difference becomes small and if you take out Hispanics too then it drops down to being almost equal
the native ethnic group (non-White hispanics) in America have a firearm death rate/crime rate comparable to that German rate.
So no its not fucktards its high gun crime minority communities and their awful gang/violent cultures that are artificially raising our rates past your European standards.
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>>700957091
I mean mass shootings, not white school shootings. We realize that your black population is a bit wild, but they count as a full person now (not just 3/5ths).
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>>700959125
So the native ethnic group should have to give up their guns because a small minority group can't handle them in a civilized manner?
Doesn't seem fair to me.
Not to mention the majority of guns used by those communities aren't even legally obtained.
The rate of crime among legal gun owners in the US is very low. I think below 2%.
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>>700958984
You can't pretend that they don't exist. They still contribute to the statistics.
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>>700955995
Sad thing is, it's all true, and saying it will get you your teeth kicked in.

Fuck this country.
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>>700959324
Of course they exist but we shouldn't have to pay for their poor behavior.
We should criticize them heavily and try to figure out how to help them come closer to reaching the behavioral standards of the native ethnic group without just giving them more free money or letting them avoid taking responsibility.
Better anti-gang measures in the highest crime communities would be a start.
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>>700959303
But the people that actually want to take ban all the guns are just fringe liberals with dyed hair. What is the problem with closing loopholes on obtaining guns and increasing background checks? I realize that you can't solve gun problems by just taking away guns, but the lack of effort from conservatives to do ANYTHING is astounding to me. It's not very fair for the native ethnic group to have to do this, but would you rather have your population die off and be the joke of the world?

>but black on black violence solves this

Blacks attack other races often too.
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>>700958523
Guy you replied to here. I don't look at per 100k between countries very much but what I do look at are totals for America. There are on average 30k gun deaths a year. 17k are homicides. 17k are the only ones on the table since accidents are the fault of people and suicidal people have that right and it's a whole other debate altogether. Now couple that with defensive firearms usage. 100k AT LEAST with figures from impossible to account for being speculated in the low millions. So now we have at least 100k-2M, and I'm being VERY conservative in my estimates, compared to 17k homicides or even the whole 30k. Not to mention the fact that of the defensive uses 99.9% of the time no shots are fired. Yeah. It's not a gun problem. There's 90 million legal gun owners in America controlling 310 million legal guns. If America had a gun problem, you'd know.
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>>700953553

Well it's true, he did have plans to ship them all off to isreal, then he realized it would be cheaper to just kill them. SO I'm not sure what his point is here... HE still decided to kill them...
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>>700952834
plot twist: He actually has a bomb in his bag
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>>700958984
So you analyzed the problem more or less correctly. If you take a look at the education rate of whites and then of blacks and hispanics, you can see that they are on average less educated (according to census education report 2015). And education and crime rate correlate antiproprtional. So your problem breaks (partly) down to low educated minorities.

So you could try to fix this, but all in all if stupid people can't get weapons it would fix it also. So either way would fix your problem, but at the moment it seems like the US doesn't want to change anything like this, neither trying to educate the stupid nor to ban the guns. And the problem won't go away without any attempt to change it
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>>700953553

The idea of Hitler taking orders from a Muslim is fucking hilarious.
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>>700953568

Never served in the military, hasn't the slightest idea how it works...
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>>700959948
Hillary wants to ban guns. She already has another failure of an AWB written up for when she gets in. Sure. Let's ban a gun used in less than 1% of all gun crime because it's scary and hurts my pwogwessive widdul feefees.
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>>700960328
The stupid people aren't buying their guns at gun stores, Walmart, gun shows, and pawn shops. Passing laws regulating me, the legal gun owner, only punishes me. They don't give a fuck what your laws say. They will get them anyway.
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>>700959948
I am ok with common sense loopholes being closed and some checks (maybe) but nothing far beyond that.
I don't want it brought to the point where you can lose an important constitutional right for basically any little reason or massive restrictions on the types of guns you can own (their shouldn't be any restrictions on that and there already are.

Also I believe in Nationalism and considering that America largely built the modern world and lots of the technology that makes life so much easier for all of us on this globe I don't feel shitty foreigners have a right to make fun of us and honestly I could care less what foreigners think of my country. Mind your own business is what I would say to them.

Also if they make fun of us because they aren't smart enough to dissect the statistics and realize our freedom doesn't lead to insane gun crime but its because we have certain troubled communities of ethnic foreigners (who never should have been here in the first place [fuck slavery]) then thats also not my problem and just displays their own ignorance.
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http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5604.htm

This is common in belgium now. This kid walks in the street praying to kill christians, while the belgian cucks stay at home scared of being called racist if they do anything. Verviers really is a shit hole now, and more and more cities are becomming shitholes too. And I will not talk about Bruxelles..
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>>700961008
Preach motherfucker
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>>700960508

She never said once that she wanted to ban guns. You're actually retarded.

She said she wants to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. "If you're too dangerous to be on a plane, you're too dangerous to have a gun.

She basically saying she doesn't want Muslims to have guns.
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>>700960328
Yeah except non-collegiate Whites don't have a crime rate that much higher then college Whites.
The "they aren't educated enough" argument doesn't fly in my book (I don't agree with it).
Besides with endless student loans avaliable (especially for minorities) and affirmative action for actually getting in it isn't like we don't make it easy for minorities who want to work hard and get schooling in the door.

Its really just about how our culture deals with ethnic differences and certain ethnic groups that keeps them the way they are.
We allow welfare as a crutch. We let communities abdicate blame on racism or cops.
If we just stopped defending them (letting them develop unearned victim complexes) and let the entire nation (including the media) call them out for their shithead behavior and made them accept high levels of policing they'd eventually get better.
We've forced policing on black communities before and they do start improving.
Then the Democrats come in, call the policing racism and allow the communities to go back down hill.
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>>700961442

Also she's smart enough to know that banning guns would empower the mexi cartels with gun running. She's just saying this shit to appease her retarded soccer mom voters.
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>>700961108

I'm petrified, stupefied, terrified
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>>700961500

non-collegiate whites still generally have MUCH better public schools, and generally finish high school.
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>>700946770
Wow it's almost like those in charge benefit from letting these attacks happen because they drive uneducated masses to support right-wing corporatists.
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>>700959948
The gunshow loophole is only a thing in states that allow non FFL holders to have booths. Yes this is a problem. But people in America have the right to sell their property freely if they aren't "in the business" and just selling it to sell it. There are already laws in place that make selling guns to felons and crazy people a stack of felonies for all involved. Same thing goes for interstate gun sales without a transfer(straw sales). The legislation everyone asks for already exists. And in most cases these places of acquisition aren't even where the criminals are getting their guns. As far as background checks are concerned. The current system could use an update in that if it kicks back no info in a timely manner you get no gun(Charleston loophole, how roof got his) and we should find a way to work mental records in there. But that's a whole other thing. As far as the system itself in that when it works? It works fine. It takes 5 min to run the check. If it kicks back no info try again. If nothing again then no gun. That's the only change I'd make
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>>700961715
I barely learned shit in highschool and I went to expensive private schools.
I certainly didn't learn how to behave or what morals are from my schools.
My parents taught me that and set a good example for me.

Also we've pumped a ridiculous amount of tax payer money into our public school system.
If it still isn't working then maybe the Government should get out of the school business?
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>>700961606
Funny thing is, I don't think he is dangerous at all, he is very religious and seems educated. The problem is the shitheads listening to them, and who are fucked in their head in the beginning.
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>>700961442
She wants another arbitrary AWB. This is common knowledge. The only purpose another AWB serves after the last one was a colossal failure is a stepping stone to more types to be banned. This will go on and on until we're left with nothing. They're already calling bolt action deer rifles "sniper rifles" in Kommiefornistan
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>>700961442
Also who the fuck gets to decide who's on the list? There's senators putting each other on the damn list for luls. If Hillary herself was in control of the list then it's "all conservatives are on the no fly list now turn in your guns."
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>>700960236
Well playing it down is a nice attempt but bullshit, so you say its ok that 30k people die because of firearms?
First of all that "only" 17k are crimes doesn't matter, because lets take a look at the other 13k. You say these doesn't matter because it is either a fucktard to stupid to use a gun, or a suicidal person. I have a problem with the suicide argument, because according to the cdc there were more than 21k suicides using firearms in 2013, but also there are more than 12k homocides using firearms in the same year, but all in all 33k death by firearms. So something has to be wrong with the statistics. I couldn't find any hint in the report if suicides were not in this statistic, or if there are any errors with these statistics. So i will now argument based on your numbers.
First of all 17k death by crimes, ill come back to this later, but that means that 13k are either suicides or accidents.
The suicides can't be prevented, if they won't shoot themselves they would find an other way to kill themselves, there is no point in arguing. But lets say, just for the sake of argument that there are about 3k accidents. A pretty low number relative to 30k at all.
You argue that they are stupid and it's their own fault. But thats bullshit. Let's say there is a fucktard, who owns a gun, and doesn't take care of it. He has a child, lets say a boy, who don't really know about that, takes the gun and shoots a stranger on the streets. So it's because a fucktard can own a gun that someone who might be just unlucky to walk the wrong way, to get shot. I didn't found a statistic how many people are getting shot per year without dying, but in my opinion every one is too much. I don't care if someone accidentally shoots himself, thats just survival of the fittest, but if others get shot because of stupidity thats just bullshit.

cont...
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>>700962844
And this could easily be stopped by not even banning guns, but rather requiring people who want to own a gun to meet some requirements, like not being a stupid fucktard.

So now lets take a look at the homocides committed during crimes. Most people Argue, if someone want's to commit a crime he can even illegally buy a gun. Thats true, just take a look at the recent shooting in munich. But the problem i have with this is, that people getting shot in crimes, that doesn't require a gun. You could also rob someone using a knife. Only a few amount of crimes "require" guns. Every time someone gets shot during a burglary that could be prevented with stricter gun restrictions.

It's not about banning the guns from those who use them carefully, its about those people who are just fucktards and shouldn't be able to get one in the first place.

To drive a car you need a license which requires training and an exam. So why not for guns?

I don't want you guys to completely bann them, i like guns by my own, i love shooting as a sport, but in my opinion only guys should be allowed to own guns if they can use them correctly
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>>700962844
>every one is too much

We're done here. It's been nice talking to you.
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>>700963712
Also you completely disregarded the defensive uses. But like I said.

>every one is too much.

We're done here.

Also read this.

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3
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>>700963746
So if you had a magical solution were everyone could own a gun without any accidental deaths, you wouldn't like this solution?

It's all about minimizing. It's about compromising between cutting of freedom with minimizing the problems. Like the need of a drivers license. Everyone can drive a car, as long as he knows how to use it
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>>700963874
The self defense argument is complete bullshit, you are statistically more likely to get injured if you carry a gun than if you wouldn't. So don't bring up that argument.
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>>700964243
Tell that to my wife after a home intruder rapes her and beats her to death.
There are countless instances like they each year where a person avoided death or severe trauma because they didn't have their freedom of arms taken away from them.
Sadly you big Government people will never understand the value of gun rights. I can understand your perspective but you can't understand mine yet. That leaves a truly fruitful discussion hard to be had.
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>>700963874
So you are ignoring arguments because of one phrase? Great job ignorance and stupidity won once again.

Also what is wrong about that? Don't you think deaths should be minimized? Or do you think that it doesn't care if 10 people die each year or if 50k people die each year?

Because in my opinion, we should try kill as few people as possible.
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>>700955692
Why are the Caribbeans so violent?
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>>700957169
aaaand you're clearly not from California.
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>>700947990
muslims have been around in belgium and the netherlands since the 60s, you have no idea what the fuck youre on about
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>>700964799
The chances that the rapist will kill your wife are higher if she has a gun, so probably your gun fetishism is the reason your wife got killed.

You know why this argument is also shit? Because in most cases you would be the rapist according to the statistics.
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>>700965046
Death is already minimalized. You have no argument that doesn't involve emotion and feeeeeeeeeelings. It's a good thing your feelings don't trump my rights and the actual factual numbers.
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>>700965414
Nope. GA. Where we have the most common sense gun legislation and police are your bros because of most comprehensive training both in community policing and use of force training.
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>>700965618
Slinging insults and misinformation. Tisk tisk. I'm not even him
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>>700964799
>i live in constant fear so i have a gun at home
gee must be fun being american
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>>700955692
the funny thing is; you are to blame for the murder rates in Honduras and El Salvador because they are main drug routes to the US.
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>>700965618
No, because my wife is a good shot so instead of getting raped and murdered she kills the insane home intruder and all is well.
But nice to know you're ok with her being helpless and basically only surviving if he decides to be nice and that she shouldn't even have the option to defend herself.

>Because in most cases you would be the rapist according to the statistics.
What the fuck does that mean?

You also forget that without a well armed population resistance against true Governmental tyranny is impossible.
But again you'd never think of collectively bringing down a corrupt Government and if you were in charge back during the days of the founding fathers America never would have broken free of the tyrannical and arrogant British monarchs.
You got no spine. Put pillows on everyone and bend over when the rapist comes and home he doesn't murder you.
People like you don't understand how good it feels to actually live in a free country.
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>>700965743
So back to my first argument, if death is minimized, then how comes that the us have about 25 times the death by firearm rate per citizen than Germany? Seems like Germany minimized better than you.
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>>700966028
The constant fear argument is a fallacy. I have guns because I want to and I can. I carry because I can. I'll never have to draw. But I shoot a lot because it's fun and it's a skill worth working on rather than sitting in a dark room glued to a tv or computer. Also I'm not that guy talking about his wife. But in some areas of EVERY country his statement could happen. Even with slight chances it's still a possibility. And in European countries the chances are climbing each day. Dindus typically don't nuffin into a house that they know one or more people inside are likely armed.
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>>700966028
Yeah.
Have fun getting beheaded on the local street by your friendly Muslims and having your girlfriend raped.
Just remember.
You, the citizen can't be trusted with guns.
The Government however can.
Just let big daddy Government protect you.
They've done a great job lately... especially in France.
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>>700966340
How's Germany's other violent crimes doing? Slapping "gun" before a word doesn't give it magical new meaning. Especially when the heavy firearms regulation was spurred by nonsensical emotion and feelings.
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>>700966193
So your wife is a good shot? Nice you are arguing with one case against statistics, thats argument is the weakest I've seen so far.

>What the fuck does that mean?
that if a woman gets raped and beaten to death in her own home it is most likely to be the husband.

And well do you really think you could win against your government with a few guns?
They have tanks, chopper, drones, bombs, and all the other shit your little gun can't do shit against
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>>700966495
you mean the few terorrirst attacks in the last 2 years? how much mass shootings did you guys have this year lol. your gang/crime problem is 10x worse than what we have going on here.

>>700966414
you can own a gun here too, atleast in my country. but you have to jump through a lot of hoops. i am happy they are not easy to get and that crime is not rampant.
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>>700966619
Homocide rate is in Germany more than 6 times lower than in the USA
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>>700966715
Please provide these magical statistics. Especially the cases where firearms DID prevent the rape. Oh you can't? Because the rape never occurred? Because it was prevented by a firearm? Oh shit. That sucks. So you're working just on the statistics where the rape actually did move forward. The cases where the gun user failed and the rapist prevailed. Oh well that's not skewed data at all. Not I'm btw
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>>700966715
Also our military and police would be on the side of the citizenry in that case. They all swear an oath to defend the constitution. Not to defend the federal govt.
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>>700946770
just throw all muslim out
thats enough
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Yeah Belgium stop letting the French fags from Brussels decide your laws
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>>700966965
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

>Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4).
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>>700964413
O m g Hitler alert.
Hitler alert. Now are you a white male or not answer quickly.
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>>700966715
Tanks are useless in that kind of situation and drones are in limited supply and can't take out millions of people with the one or two missiles they carry.
Also its unlikely that the military would gun down millions of their own citizens even if ordered to.
But even if they did try to gun down potentially 10's of millions of resisting people marching together it would still be worth it.
True freedom is worth fighting and dying for and without an armed population such resistance is nearly impossible.

>>700966786
I don't live in a gang zone I live in a nice White area so I don't worry much about crime and gun is for personal safety as occasionally you'll run into some thugs or a crazy person.
Yeah, its nice to be able to defend myself and handle my own personal safety.

>>700966832
Didn't some Muslims just walk into a church there a behead a preacher?
Would have been nice if they had guns and could have killed him instead of just cowering as the mans head rolled onto the floor.
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>>700967050
So well if the military and the police would be on your site, you won't need to own guns because the military has access to a shit ton of guns.
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>>700967303
what kind of church has guns ready LOL, fucking america.

and maybe if you slags stopped fucking shit up in the middle east we wouldn't be having this problem.
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>>700967397
We also don't not need guns for the same reasons.
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>>700967209
That is a dumb and flawed statistic.
Show me the one that says that your more likely to die by home intruder if armed and we might talk oh and make sure minority areas aren't skewing the results as they often do.
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>>700948775
>liberalism and self loathing makes my asspussy wet
>lowered wages and quality of living makes my asspussy wet
>I like being a lubed goat for Mohammed
>Santa says there will be peace in the ME and being submissive and paying for and building Mohammed things will change Islamic tradition of savage murderous destruction refined as practiced over several thousand years
>I miss the tooth fairy
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>>700967303
>Didn't some Muslims just walk into a church there a behead a preacher?
>Would have been nice if they had guns and could have killed him instead of just cowering as the mans head rolled onto the floor.

Again a single case against a statistics.
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>>700967461
>carry a gun on your hip
>crazy Muslim enters your church and starts lining up the preacher for beheading
>whip out my gun and shoot him dead in 0.8 seconds
>everyone pats me on the back
>im a hero
>preacher gos home to his family
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>>700967880
>>700967461
In my church there are anywhere between 2-3 guns loaded and ready to go. Other churches in my area have more. I go to a small church. I've seen deadly force used in a church. A guy bashed another guy's head with a big rock. If a group came into our church to behead someone they would at best be dealt with quickly and at worst be leaving in fewer numbers
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>>700946770
>#
You need to kill yourself yeah
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>>700967880
ok well here is another argument
I don't believe in big Governments telling people what they can or cannot do
I think people should rule themselves
if the people collectively agree to ban guns then so be it
if the people collectrively want to keep gun rights then so be it
The Government though (a small group of people elected to serve and represent the masses) doesn't have the right to limit or ban gun rights without the consent of the people.
Thats my opinion.
respect it or don't
I have to go now
peace
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>>700967604
You know statistics aren't made for special cases, more to cover about many possible aspects.

So i do the same kind of argumentation like you.
Show me any proof that your wife would have survived it, considering the case that the gun is out of her range (for example when she is showering).
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>>700955400
Don't forget...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast%27s_eagle
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>>700947256
>intelligence services being incompetent
this is a myth buddy, they know everything
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>>700966414
Thankyou for being honest anon. I hate hearing about this "protect muhself from the government" bullshit. Guns are fucking cool. I'd have one if they were legal were i am, BUT i'm glad they're illegal and would not like the thought of everyone walking round armed to the teeth 24/7
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>>700968216
I never said anything against that, of course your people should decide.
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>>700968296
See>>700966965
The statistic you seek doesn't exist because it doesn't exist. Those cases are breaking and entering cases and not attempted rape cases as they were stopped before progressing. And yes. The ones that did progress but we're still stopped are dwarfed by the statistics of the person that had a gun but were unable to stop it or get to their gun in time. But the other unprovable figure is more common and frequent.
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>>700968500
Fair enough.
I still think though that it should be up to the people.
If all the people want the option to be armed and the Government says "nope" then you're living in a tyranny.
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>>700968594
>of course your people should decide.
Glad we agree on that.
The problem is in the case of gun rights being restricted here or being badly restricted/removed entirely in many European countries in the past the Government usually doesn't worry about what the people think.
And removing such a right without the consent of the people is undemocratic and tyrannical. That isn't freedom and freedom is good.
Also I don't believe the people in say the US lobbying for less gun rights are doing it for noble reasons.
When Governments limit or remove gun rights its usually so they can concentrate power and reduce the chance of resistance to their tryanny not to actually save lives.
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>>700968636
Think that's a bit extreme mate. Can't start saying Europeans live in tyranny beacuse guns are illegal lol. If you start saying people should do whatever the fuck they want then you'd have a bunch of ferrel humans running around raping and killing each other.
Pretty much sandniggers
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>>700968500
Works fine here. Everyone I know carries. I'd say a good 12.5% of the people you'd see in my community are packing and you would never know by looking. And on that note my county had a grand total of 2 murders worthy of being in the news last year
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>>700968939
Exactly. They don't care about saving lives. It's a power grab. If they cared about saving lives they'd focus on mental health and gang ridden communities. Not us 90 million law abiding citizens that haven't killed anyone unnecessarily.
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>>700968940
That is what tyranny is though.
The Government ruling rather then representing the people.
I mean I myself believe that my Government is pretty tyrannical.
Governments throughout history always tend to grow and head in that direction which is something the founding fathers warned of and said clearly that armed revolution would be needed from time to time to restore liberty.

And in regards to Europe you have people being arrested now for "Islamaphobia" or hate speech.
That is fucking brutal losing your free speech and basically getting jailed if you don't obey the Governments narrative and think the way they want you too.
Not to mention the disastrous immigration policies of mass muslim migration that is handled terribly and is probably not wanted by most of the people.
That is being forced on Europe against the will of the people when it could obviously be prevented.
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>>700948234
>they agree to it.
>it dsnt make it just.
Your talking about business on a nation wide scale, its allways going to fuck the common man over. Also yes since they agree to it they have no one to blame themselves. You sound like a nigger thats too lazy to get a job or education even though theres far more financial assistance for blacks and yet you blame everyone else but yourself. Good luck with that.
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>>700969228
As an American I find it funny as shit. They come on here, make countless anti America threads and it's hilarious when one of their own is currently in a legal battle that if handled incorrectly could land him sitting in a foreign prison for calling a guy a goat fucker. Then they want to say "well we still have freedom of speech". No you fucking don't. Not even close. You think if I called someone a bad name on tv that I would be in trouble? Shit no. He could be standing in the street and I could call him a goat fucker to his face and I wouldn't get so much as a "watch your mouth"
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N-now don't be racist goyim.
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>>700969789
You serious lol. Your cops can't even shoot a nig that's robbed a store without there being an epic chimpout and your streets looted, police shot etc and at the end of it your politicans give public speeches excusing them of their behaviour.
Your minorities shit all over you daily you are by far the most fucked and you can't even see it. At least Europeans acknowledge their problems you're so brainwashed you think your somehow on top lmao
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>>700970267
Our Government is pretty bad and tyrannical but it seems most of Europe is for now still worse.
I actually always loved Europe so I don't wish you ill. I wish we all had back what we lost. Things could be so much better then they are if we weren't all being ruled by evil, greedy selfish fucks and lived in a more free and fair society.
Still I suppose its always the normal trend for power to concentrate and for those type of people to gain control.
Fuck it, just gotta live and make the best of it but at the same time try to remember how things should be and what is truly right.
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>>700970001
You can slap -ist to the end of any word to make up an oppressive word for anyone you don't like. People should be taught to turn the other cheek and man the fuck up instead of crying to nanny govt about someone being raaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyssssiissssss
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>>700947409
Better keep away from this guy, he seems to have bad karma
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>>700970267
>Europeans acknowledge their problems

I'll take the refugee rape coverups for $1000 Alex
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>>700970696
Oy all a coincidence.
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In response to the burkini ban
>France is decaying. wft dude. they'd better look to bring back they're economy. nationalistic scumbags
>nationalistic scumbags
she might as well take a dump on her grandfathers war grave.
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>>700971315
>they're
Their* fuck, i'm tired.
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>>700971315
Wtf it's nationalists fault? God I hate these leftards so much.
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>>700971490
lefties only recite words they heard somewhere on facebook, mate.
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>>700971616
I also hate Jewbook.
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>>700949725
Dude you are replying to is not a leftist.

Leftist would love to fucking guillotine the rich fucks.

You yanks call any sjw retard leftist and it needs to stop, gives the real left a bad name.
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>>700971951
>implying left has a good name
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>>700971315
Know her name? she's cute
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>>700972032
because its associated with jezebel tier sjw shit

Rise up and vanquish these pretenders Senpai Lenin!
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>>700972080
she's a weed smoking, pierced, tattooed degenerate. not cute at all.
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>>700971951
>Communism
Fuck off slave.
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>>700972198
Ik rook ook, just my type

>>700972239
Said the wage slave
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>>700972331
Really? Communism is basically being a wageslave getting paid in dirt.
Do you even know wtf you're talking about?
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>>700972386
Do you? Have you read any literature on the subject matter?

We live in a post scarcity world.

Communism could allow for everybody to work a few hours a week and have their needs met, free to persue other things.

The value of your labour would benefit you and your nation instead of going to some rich jew at the head of a corperation/bank.
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>>700946770
And you need a Bexit to...?
I mean I donĀ“t understand what would change in this case if you are not part of EU
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>>700972727
Do you mean socialism?
Communism is just a huge Government ruling the people and running most shit.
Governments are terrible at running shits.
There is only one system that works.

-Small Government
-No big banks
-Decentralized power that is well controlled by the actual people on a fairly local level throughout the country
-Free market capitalism with little Government regulation
-Very little taxes and just for the very few things that Government should perhaps handle like policing, roads and maybe monitoring air quality or some shit
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>>700972727
Holy shit you are deluded. You will be kept poor and working. Explain to me how your money being taken away from you to give to some shmuck having his money taken away again.
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>>700972885
>muh borders
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>>700972972
>free market capitalism
enjoy your child labour, 100 hour workweek and 0 holidays

Even lenin talked about the eventual abolishment of state and full power to worker councils


>>700973184
>your money being taken away from you to give to some shmuck

Sounds like you're talking about most of the value you produce going to your boss and not yourself.
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>>700971315
Come on, help a brother out.
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>>700973680
Not him but I agreed to the wage with my employer. I'm not mad if my boss makes more than me. But what you're proposing would take the majority of what I earn to benefit those too lazy to work. And that's where it becomes a problem.
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>>700973680
>enjoy your child labour, 100 hour workweek and 0 holidays
How many examples of truly FMC have we seen in our species history?
America probably came the closest in the distant past and it worked out pretty well for it without the awful conditions you described.
In a truly free market their are forces at play which raise wages naturally.
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>>700973680
No you moron. One of the steps towards communism is a tax increase on the rich/middle class. Pic related.
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Where my Belgians at!
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>>700947592
Eventually neither will because only working together will be sustainable in the long-term.
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>>700974203
No it wouldn't, it would eliminate your boss, his duties performed by someone in administration.

the need to make profit would be removed. instead soceity would be centered about providing for your fellow workers and those unable to work.

you're probably middle class. Your position would improve. Mainly with the reult of less working hours but also monetary.

Those currently jobless would work, as reduced worktime for you creates work for them.

Work and a place in soceity, a feeling of doing something that matters is something we all fundementally and subconciously crave.

That's why the banking elite has such a high percentage of sociopaths.
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>>700974941
Do you really think nationalists don't want to work together? Yeah obviously not with the elites.
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>>700974338
why is the perception of yanks that its just hurr durr everyone with job work harder to give those without job free shit

Did mcarthy brainwash you yanks that effectively?

The scracity of jobs is created by capitalists to drive your wages down by competition.

Under the red flag everyone would work, but the working week would be severely reduced as with the whole population at work only a little time per week is needed to provide for all.
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>>700974741
hier lekker ding
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>>700975558
dit is nu een belgendraad post belgentadities
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>>700975647
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>>700946770
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>>700975692
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>>700975816
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>>700975844

waar zijn die belgjes!?
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>>700975969


belgen aan het lurken?
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Live Laugh Love
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>>700976027
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>>700975511
But you don't get that that money still goes to the one percent. I don't get it how can you even survive doing almost no work and still giving away your money. How?
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>>700976027
>>700975969
>>700975925
>>700975844
>>700975816
>>700975755
Waarom zo fucking autistisch?
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>>700946770
>Someone not related to EU be retard
>Must leave EU

You're just like old brit fags who voted for brexit, fishers and farmers who can't even write their names. Europe would be a much better place if we sent someone like you in Siria every time a sirian gets in.
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>>700975558
Gallic master race reporting.
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>>700976286
Why do you think it would go to the one percent?

Over here the leading left politition only takes a wage of 1600EUR, the wage of the lowest labourer.

The rest he donates.
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>>700953553
>"we know that responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own"

It's really unsettling to see someone in power have this much self-hatred and guilt. It's worse than having a rep for being an asshole.
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>>700976339
Vroeger waren belgendraden er vol van

heb nog een stuk of 70 paterpics
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>>700974941
Haha. No we can sustain just fine if we're not giving the other people anything. If we didn't know the other people even existed there wouldn't be a problem. It's knowing them and them knowing us and them constantly having a bad case of the "gibsmedats" that will destroy everything.
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>>700976780
Kek. Dat wist ik niet. Ik ken alleen maar nederdraden.
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>>700947409
That's really gotta fuck with your head
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>>700976938
>inb4 we started gibmedats by exctracting everything usefull under colonialism
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>>700976938
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Maak belgie terug groot
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>>700976780
Het is en blijft autistisch. Het is niet dat die mensen bier maken dat ge ze moet posten. Die maken ook wel bier zonder.
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>>700971315
ik durf te wedden dat die makkaken pijpt
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>>700977532
Hmmm the smell of butthurt in the evening.
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>>700977659
Lek men kloten.
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