ATHEISTS.... PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED WITH NO GOD????? YOU CAN'T BTW
It just like happened bra.
fuck off christian cuck
How could God exist to create the universe?
Stalemate.
>>700889313
David Bowie made the Universe with Moonage Daydream.
>>700889796
Because God always existed.
>>700889732
funny how you atheists cant explain anything....
Which God are you asking about? Of all the gods we have created only a few were ascribed the origin story...
>>700889732
>implying this isn't a troll
>>700889313
I steal doobies, spit loogies when I puff on it,
I got some bucks on it, but it ain't enough on it
Go get the S-t. I-d-e-s
Never the less, I'm hella fresh,
Rollin' joints like a cigarette
So pass it cross the table like Ping Pong,
I'm gone, beatin' my chest like King Kong,
It's on, wrap my lips around a 40,
And when it comes to get another stogie,
Fools all kick in like Shinobi
https://youtu.be/JIp7KcWpaBA
He didn't watch Exploder and therefore was not accepted into the hall of awesome shit. It happens. Btw Stop yelling...it makes you look like a dick. :) Peace and Love to you however fellow human meat bag.
>>700889971
funny how you christfags cant explain anything....
>HURR DURR GOD ALWAYS EXISTED
>>700890162
its not. i find it so funny that people believe god doesnt exist when science has no explanation for the creation of the universe
>>700890271
wow. ummmm.....(looks around and hear crickets) Yeah....I'm just gonna go now. (walks away and softly cries for humanity.)
>>700890317
>HURR DURR A RANDOM EXPLOSION JUST HAPPENED OUT OF NOTHING.
>>700890479
feel like skull fucking?
>>700890417
And how christians exist without an explanation of the creation of god...
>>700890417
Literally everything youre saying can apply to what we're saying too
>I find it so funny that people believe in god when it has no explanation for the creation of the universe
If christians can say God always existed, atheists can say the universe always existed.
>>700890601
Thinks big bang was actual explosion.
>>700889313
First explain how God created the universe.
>>700890651
Except the obvious reason for so many different gods, that we made them up.
>>700890625
Sure but you have to get permission from Spiderman first. got a fucking problem?
>>700890417
A 2000 year old book isn't much better.
You're right, science can't explain how the universe was formed. But neither can your book, your priest, or whatever God you pray to.
>>700890706
But science can prove one of those opinions wrong. Guess which one.
>>700889864
So did the universe, in the sense that time is a feature of the observable universe and didn't precede it.
>>700889313
>>700890601
Look man, you can believe in whatever you want, but dont stic down someones throat or force them to change views. Its a dick move
Interplay of quantum forces riding the gravity waves of the birth of the universe drove the formation of the stars, galaxies, etc.
Before this the dense quark-gluon plasma from which matter came to be was shifted in its original state by an as yet unknown force.
The introduction of the higgs may have caused or been a result of this shift. The birth of the electron is the result of matter needing to interact with the planck constant because of the loss of energy/mass from the shift.
TL;DR:
What we know as matter and energy was represented in early form as a quark-gluon plasma and now has spread over a space previously non-existent
>>700890788
I'm trill working the wheel, a pimp not a simp
Keep the dope fiends higher than the Goodyear Blimp
We eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning
Fuck niggas make me sick with all that pinchin' and bargaining
You say that you a boss, I ain't believing that shit
You got the funny Geneva watch, with the Ferrari kit
>>700890860
Oh like 90% of atheists do?
>>700890931
You do understand that I despise rap and also can rhyme words right? Wtf are you talking about man? Are you ok? Weak fucking gang loving kek.
>>700890990
Anecdotal evidence is less than worthless.
Someone once told me you can't be the best person you can be without being a Christian.
>>700891076
i'm bored and shit posting if you don't understand that it's cool
>>700891199
They were right.
Gravity draws in all matter in the universe until it's about the size of a basketball. At almost that same instant it reaches critical mass and all of the matter in the universe explodes out at the speed of light.
This is known as the big bang.
>>700891199
You'd be hard pressed to find a theist who didnt think this about their religion.
>>700890990
Aggressive atheists aside, I'll say this. Religious people like to hide behind the old trope of "don't force your beliefs on me". This wouldn't be a problem if you religious nutbags weren't doing shitty unnecessary things for your belief to each other and others all the time. We tell you that it isn't true because we want sacrifice, persecution based on nothing, and stunted ideas of the natural world to go away.
>>700891199
Wrong. The only way to be a better person is to truly be happy and happy with yourself. If someone doesnt have faith than thats them. To each his own
>>700890816
you do know the bible is mostly metaphorical?
>>700889313
>>700891402
Most shit Christians want/do is actually pretty reasonable. Muslims... yeah fuck those guys.
Best quote
>>700891430
Then they hit you with "having faith is true happiness, you can't find true happiness without the lord"
>>700891430
Im on your side and all but dont you think this is kind of subjective?
>>700890931
And as I leave this bitch I make you sick, as you choke hard on my big ol dick. You think you're slick but simply a weak prick a pin a grin and for me I win. Fuck off and take your mother goose watermelon loving caboose and fuck your grandma pussy till it be obtuse. I am fucking Einstein and you be some niggas fun time. I have no words for turds...your mindless fucking rhyming is absurb so fuck what you heard the bird is the word. Blah blah blurred blah blh blah blah. Fucking wordsmithing like a whittler while your itty bitty titty dick gets littler.
>>700891076
I perpetuate bile
A build up congestion
Epidydmal retention
My semen is flames
Flagellum is pain
Fuck fate!
Earth's crushed from atomic weight
With a hardened thrust
Deep in the core
A seismic tunneling
A rhythmic pummeling
Incinerate
The molten rock
A rancid genetic cannon fire!
>>700890417
>its not. i find it so funny that people believe god doesnt exist when science has no explanation for the creation of the universe
Fallacy of the excluded middle. There's lots we can't explain, but that doesn't mean the explanation is "magic is real".
>>700890839
The universe has existed for all time. That's what science tells us. It's just that the time doesn't extend infinitely into the past.
>>700891676
Completely. Its just my opinion. Should've said that being happy differs from person to person
>>700891354
Gravity is more its own force than anything else. The idea of "The Big Crunch" is obsolete at this point. Its more likely that the universe will expand until the higgs density reaches a critical point and and the laws of physics have to shift again due to the need for further complication of matter/energy like when the electron was created to be a link to bound nuclei.
>>700891702
Cool. I am good now that you explained yourself. Have a good one mr rhymy
>>700889313 Closed universe, what do you mean created?
>>700891850
You're confused. Science has no fucking clue what was happening prior to the big bang.
>>700891720
Exactly, you can't assume that just because science cant yet answer absolutelt everything that the entire bible is 100% true.
>>700891720
So you have no idea how the universe was created yet you disregard god even though there is no way he can be disproved since you dont even have the answer yourself
Explain where the bible came from. do it. You see the important part is that it was written by human hands, hands of bullshit just like anyone else on this Earth. Which thanks to your own god loving crew has become quite the shit stain.
>>700892095
Time is a feature of this universe which the big bang originated. There is no "prior to the big bang".
>>700891921
thanks i'll try
Nice strawman, science does explain how the universe came about, he was just saying that even if it didn't you'd still be wrong.
>>700891572
Most thing they do NOW are reasonable. For centuries they stunted the development of the entire population that they could get their mitts on to keep the status quo. Even science minded people from the Church were demonized as heretics for groundbreaking beliefs.
All that aside, everything you believe as a Christian is just the continuation and reinterpretation of mostly Mesopotamian systems
>>700892254
THAT MAKES NO SENSE. WHAT EXISTED THEN
>>700892168
>So you have no idea how the universe was created yet you disregard god even though there is no way he can be disproved since you dont even have the answer yourself
So why do you disregard the possibility that the universe was created by an omnipotent immaterial dragon instead of God?
>>700891572
>pretty reasonable
>Spanish Inquisition
>Rape of young boys
>Persecution of all other religions
>The Crusades
>The Ku Klux Klan Murders
>The Holocaust
>30 Years' War
>Westboro Baptist Church
>Genocide of Native Americans
>Biblical Endorsement to Mistreat Homosexuals
>Witch Hunts & Wiccan Murders
all perfectly reasonable
There are plenty more, but I think I've made my point.
>>700892254
Repeat after me. Time is only about 15 billion years old. Read a goddamn physics book, jesus christ.
>>700892369
Sorry, >>700892447 was meant for you.
>>700889313
I made it in my garage.
PROVE ME WRONG, CUNT
>>700892543
Oh shit boi!
y believe in nothing?
>>700892646
Because blind faith is idiotic.
>>700892533
Also, there probably is an explanation for the universe, but it's not a temporal/causal one, and it may not be accessible to us by observation.
>>700892447
time is a construct of society to help us organize are days. or some shit like that you fucking knows
>>700892095
Not until we simulate a high energy enough environment where the neutrino and various other exotic particle can be reabsorbed into a dense quark mass. Then we could figure it out.
Can't exactly do this with "GOD". I'd rather take the testable theory that doesn't change at the whims of a guy in a huge hat or the angry, ignorant masses
>>700890931
Oh pimp c. What are you sippin on?
>>700892744
>time is a construct of society to help us organize are days.
That might be true of time keeping, but not time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BU1HEzIO0
>>700889313
You know the ending of MIB?
>galaxy fitting inside of a cat pendant
I feel like the universe is something similar. We can hope it's in a controlled experiment such as a neatly laid out petri dish of cosmosis, but I like to imagine it's a toy on some guys desk that needs to be flipped occasionally when the place runs out of juice so it can restart
>pic slightly related
>>700892743
SO YOU LITERALLY CAN'T DISPROVE GOD
>>700889313
什么创建了神吗？
>>700892369
We can't know until we can simulate it. Just like we don't know the physical laws to a universe with less higgs density than we have right now.
>>700892769
gin no juice
>>700889313
it was created by Hallmark, to sell greeting cards.
>>700892646
Cause we don't have to believe in anything
Dubs gets my drunk dicpic. Roll for me peen, /b/
>>700892831
Buying bread from a man in Brussels
He was six-foot-four and full of muscles
I said, "Do you speak-a my language?"
He just smiled and gave me a Vegemite sandwich
And he said
I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover
Yeah
Arguing over the creation of the universe is pointless, no one knows the true answer, and chances are, no one will for the longest time.
Its the same thing if one person says the universe was made by accident because some space giant farted, and another person saying it was made by a giant, primordial fire crab named Derek. They are both incorrect, but they are as good a guess as any
Now stop posting this bullshit bait
a pair of virtual particles from another universe were activated and then somehow ejected out of that universe. when one of the particles didn't dissipate back into that universe, it doubled in size, coming into existence. at that point, it instantly blew up due to the law of inflation, I believe, and then we have our own universe
y were all these books written for nothing? u cant make that shit up
When you really think of it, all of this on earth is just too much to just come into existence naturally, let alone thinking about how everything started like time, reality and everything. Also there had to be a creator because physics are different at the quantum level and Michiu Kaku can tell you more about that. Not religious btw
>>700892934
I never said I could. I said there isn't any more reason to believe God created the universe than that am immaterial dragon did. >>700892377 Hell, it could have been a magic bag of shit for all I know. I don't believe God created the universe for exactly the same reason you don't believe a sentient bag of shit did it.
>>700889313
god's dad did it
>>700892934
And, anyway, the Problem of Evil does disprove the Christian God. So there's that.
>>700893168
but what if u dont believe in anything and then ur fucked c what im saying?? not tryna push it on ya
>>700892934
The borrowing from one religion to the next evident from early astrological cults and ancestor worship through the beginning of agriculture all the way to now proves it to me. Made up a long time ago and you don't want to let go. Security blanket
>>700893277
how did the those universes get created?
>>700892831
ok i can see your point but if we did not make the measurements of time then how did we know what time was. the day just started the sun would rise and people would work then go to sleep at night
>>700889313
Well OP explain who made God? BTW you can't.
>>700893504
gay
>>700893277
what created those other universes then? What created the first universe? That theory makes no sense either. next pls
>>700893291
You can't make up stories about talking snakes and Jews being slaves in Egypt?
>>700893503
we don't know. their laws could be different for each universe.
see, the thing about the multiverse is that randomness can actually occur, as long as you confine it to our universe. something can be injected into this universe by another universe, shifting the entire fate of the universe.
y is everything living so complex dna is magnificent u cant replicate that shit try making another human being
>>700893613
>>700893665
if we are ever able to travel to another universe, then we can find the answer.
that is, if we're real at all
>>700893277
Only if the mass/energy was HUGE. I think its more the higgs spreading everything out after gravity made a crack. I just thought of that though. Thinking on the earliest state of our universe and what may have cause the initial fracture is my favorite subject
>>700893504
It definitely is an interesting question how closely our perception of time actually reflects its true nature.
>>700893573
>made god LMAO
>>700893466
No it doesn't. You should read the bible.
>>700889313
I am the antichrist, i know how the universe was created, because i created it. I return soon , fuck you doubters. Cap this.
>>700893941
Summon a demon or gtfo
>>700893876
>this
>>700893745
We're getting there. CRISPR-Cas9 could turn a chicken into a dinosaur, in theory.
>>700889313
But then what created God? If a Big Bang can't appear out of nothing, an omnipotent creator can't just spring out of nothing either.
>>700893612
who can say for sure what koga can do with the spear of destiny once he has implanted it in the nordic streams
>>700893876
And you should read this so you know wtf I'm talking about. http://www.ditext.com/mackie/evil.html
>>700890816
I'm sick of retards thinking the Bible is 2000 years old. It's most recent stories are dated like 800 AD
atheism is so boring
>>700893316
Acts differently at the quantum level for the same reason that individual particles don't affect each other from across the universe. What we know of physics on the scale observable to the naked eye is due to our perspective. We didn't knwo how galaxies played on each other until we could think on that scale. The interplay at the quantum level is what give the cohesion necessary for greater interaction. Like flocks of birds interacting, different than two individuals
>>700889864
Question: If God existed for infinite eons into the past, why would he decide to create a universe 15 billion years ago? Your explanation of the creation of the universe is actually a facile non-explanation with more handwaving than kermit the fucking frog.
>>700894033
u lose.
universe always existed , never created.
god does not exist, we created him because we fear the unknown.
Religion was created to manage control.
>>700894144
That's just a long circle-jerk. If you've read the bible you'd clearly see that the 'problem with evil' is just a strawman.
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mystery,
That all started with the big bang (bang)!
"Since the dawn of man" is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and Pangaea
See ya wouldn't wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big bang!
It's expanding ever outward but one day
It will pause and start to go the other way.
Collapsing ever inward, we won't be here, it won't be heard
Our best and brightest figure that it'll make an even bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating how we're here, they're catching deer (we're catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy (Descartes or Deuteronomy)
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
It all started with the big... bang!
>>700894344
Nice save.
>>700894013
I have already created the end. I am only living it as a human now, the human who chose me, the human who never gave up. Soon i destroy the world, then rebuild it in my own image.
>>700894461
No actually the Bible pisses and shits on God because it represents him as a monstrous moral criminal.
>>700894478
how queer of you
>>700889864
>>>700889796
>Because God always existed.
BOOK WORSHIPPERS.... PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW????? YOU CAN'T BTW
>>700893504
Time is provable through the half life of uranium being demonstrated at vast distance as being constant. Time exists, but it is from the interaction of fractured forces between bound quark groups across a previously non-existent space. Without the space between, no degradation
>>700892412
I'm no Christ fag, but what relation does the KKK, The Holocaust, and the Genocide of Native Americans have to Christianity? Just because the people doing it happen to be Christian doesn't mean that is why they are doing it you faggot.
>>700894375
maybe, maybe not. haha its never ending good answer
>>700894530
What can I do to support your mission?
>>700894598
lol no it doesn't. Seriously, how many fedora's do you own?
lol using god as an explanation solves nothing since you now have to prove god exists and explain how he was created. We know a universe exists, we don't know a god exists so all your doing is complicating things
>>700894530
you genocidal cunt how could you
>>700893794
when you're on the highway, have you ever noticed how the yellow lines appear to be going faster than you are, even though they are painted on the gravel?
what if, instead of the universe expanding, it was actually contracting? it just appears to be expanding because we are moving so fast around in space.
i hear the universe is expanding?
>>700893745
People like you would say the same thing every time. Millions of years ago you would have been the half ape telling the rest of us "you can't make fire, God must exist".
Give it time
>>700890816
>A 2000 year old book isn't much better.
The books about jesus were started about 30-60 years after his death. The rest were finished about 300 CE, so the book everyone is calling a bible is roughly 1700 years old.
>>700894747
Kill yourself
>>700894678
YOU CANT EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED YET YOU BELIEVE GOD DOESNT EXIST? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE
>>700893794
The problem with that is the proven drift of galaxies, stars, nebulae, and everything else away from each other. Also, light speed
>>700889313
He's a pretty shitty creator if he did it. He gave us a human body that is susceptible to infection, illness, injury, disease and genetic disorders. He gave us a brain that could live decades beyond the body he put it in. He gave us a natural order where many animal and insect species have to kill another animal or insect in order to survive., Then he puts us on a planet where over 90% of it's surface is un-habitable that offers natural disasters that injure and kill us randomly. Nice design work asshole.
>>700894899
wat. do you even torah bro?
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mystery,
That all started with the big bang (bang)!
"Since the dawn of man" is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and Pangaea
See ya wouldn't wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big bang!
It's expanding ever outward but one day
It will pause and start to go the other way.
Collapsing ever inward, we won't be here, it won't be heard
Our best and brightest figure that it'll make an even bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating how we're here, they're catching deer (we're catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy (Descartes or Deuteronomy)
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
It all started with the big...bang!
>>700894681
yes this is true but all i was saying we made the measurement to tell time not that it did not exist
ATHEISTS ARE SPAWNS OF SATAN. DONT LET THEM CHANGE YOUR OPINION ON GODS EXISTENCE. THATS WHAT SATAN WANTS
If god existed he would be ATHEIST, so fuck of theist fags
>>700895187
>>700895134
natural selection
>>700894146
Earliest compiled version of the old testament (ie: the torah) was from the Babylonian exile. Like 530 bce. Even that is just a shameless rip from the old Sumerian epics
>>700895187
Do you hate atheists??
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mystery,
That all started with the big bang (bang)!
"Since the dawn of man" is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and Pangaea
See ya wouldn't wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big bang!
It's expanding ever outward but one day
It will pause and start to go the other way.
Collapsing ever inward, we won't be here, it won't be heard
Our best and brightest figure that it'll make an even bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating how we're here, they're catching deer (we're catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy (Descartes or Deuteronomy)
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
It all started with the big..bang!
just believe in what u want and what makes u happy live ur life.
>>700895178
>>700895408
>it's still queer of you
>>700894995
you cant answer any question asked of you so you resort to yelling and swearing?
the current observable universe that we occupy was created with the big bang.
>>700894845
>>700894681 was meant for you
>>700891430
>The only way to be a better person is to truly be happy and happy with yourself.
I disagree. I think happiness is found in human collaboration and cooperation and appreciating that concern for humanity is what has driven this particular species of ape as far into consciousness as we are.
We're the most able to experience suffer, and to create and inflict needless suffering among humans and animals. We are able to help reduce suffering with more efficacy than other species. (we don't own the market on empathy and compassion by any stretch, btw)
We are the most conscious.
>>700895400
i dont like how they dont believe in god because there is no proof yet they cant even explain how our universe was created but it cant be created by a higher power for some reason
Jesus can help your state of mind, /b/. The human mind wasn't meant to live without God.
Everytime the spirit envelopes me, I feel whole/ complete/ soft/ warm/ euphoric/ calm/ worry-free.
God is reaching out to you, all we have to do is accept his gift of redemption.
We believe in them, because it exist : Wrong.
They exist because we believe on them: true.
the act of believing produce an unknown effect from every human to their surrounding, which is responsible for things to exist.
>>700895663
uhh....
>>700895165
wait, you're a bunch creationist Jews!? well then, bagels all around.
>>700895775
no thank you, dopamine junkie.
>>700892769
No no no. Its all wrong. You sippin on sizzurp.
Snoop sips on g n j
>>700894807
Let's start at the beginning. The Bible says Adam and Eve were created with no knowledge of (moral) good and evil. If that's true, then they could not have known it was morally bad to disobey God and could not be expected to regulate their behavior on that basis. But God punished them anyway, and the rest of humankind in turn. The first pages of the Bible literally say God punishes the innocent. The first pages of the Quran say the same thing, that God manipulates the minds of some people so they can't access belief in God, and then sends them to hell as a result of their disbelief. In other words, billions of religious people on this planet believes God punishes the innocent. But God wouldn't punish the innocent because God isn't evil. Your religion pisses and shits on God, QED.
Do you say murder is wrong because it's wrong or is it wrong because god says it's wrong
If murder is wrong whether or not god says it's wrong then morality doesn't require god, or is it wrong be because just god says it's wrong then morality is arbitrary
Arbitrary: based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
Then if god exists murder isn't wrong
'Everything that happens, happens according to his plan' which is ultimately good , that's instant justification for murder. If someone commits murder that was necessarily part of gods plan. Cause everything that happens, happens according to gods plan and his plan is ultimately good. And if he does what does it matter the persons is sending the one he killed to eternity to god. The murder could just ask him for forgiveness and not be punished.
So if god exists murder is not wrong and totally justifiable and morally inconsequential
On the other hand if there is no god, murder is unjustifiable and highly consequential.
A non believer also doesn't believe in an afterlife which means there current life is all they get. If they murdered someone there is only one shot at life would be ruined in prison what's more important tho, they'd believe takings someone's life would mean they would end that person forever taking away all there memories and future experiences, everything they would have ever had, everything they would have ever been. The ultimate violation, sheer empathy alone would make that a highly untenable proposition.
Untenable:not able to be maintained or defended against attack or objection.
I would rather go to hell because i could stay myself.
But some defs because most theist fags are retarted sheep
>>700895802
>the act of believing produce an unknown effect from every human to their surrounding, which is responsible for things to exist.
something that is unknown except you know about it.
>>700895859
I was just saying that time is an existent thing in our universe. Not saying it is immutable or unaffected by anything, just that like the weak force or electromagnetism it is there
>>700894807
>how many fedora's do you own?
None, but I have taught Philosophy of religion, and you haven't. It shows.
>>700894995
The christian explanation (jewish origin) is a much newer one than the hindu gods, who wrote about it 1500 years before the jews did. check out the Vedas new friend. They were not written by men at all (according to devout polytheist hindus)
Just because your Jewish explanation is newer, doesn't make it more relevant.
How is your religion so special?
>>700895775
Oh that is FANSTASTIC!!! You're having a "spiritual moment".
Hint: All religions, and even atheists have these moments.
>>700896162
what does that have to do with what I was saying?
time isn't actually a thing, but only a description.
>>700892369
What happened to your soul before you were born?
>>700896126
i like you brain can i have it and place it in a jar for study at a later date and time please
>>700896376
these moments only happen, when I directly call out to God.
>>700896201
Good for you but the bible doesn't do that to God so much as we do. We wrote the stories, put in the tone and pretty much made all the terrible shit as a representation of or own base nature
Nigga answer me this....
Who made trees?
>>700896126
you are very, very, very uneducated
>>700896100
It's allegory. Are you really that stupid?
>>700896618
god
>>700895775
>accept his gift of redemption.
what if I was not lucky enough to receive the revelation, and through no fault of my own I was born into the wrong geography, and received the wrong theology. No matter how good I am among other people, I am doomed because I worship the monkey god Hanuman?
The bible says I am, and that I should support slavery, genocide, rape, but hate homosexuality.
Heaven has no food, no sex, no romance, no drinking a beer with the guys on a fishing trip, just singing praises for all of eternity.
This does not sound nice.
>>700896443
It is a thing as shown by the interplay over distance and the effect of high energy on it. Given enough energy you could reconcile the proper amount of neutrinos and energy to an atom and the electron would be reasserted as part of the quantum level. Just as that energy affects the other laws of physics it also changes gravity and time, or rather our perception of it. Distance gets shorter, time is slower. It's all relative but it is there
Nigga who made plants?
>>700897018
god
>>700896498
So, let me get this straight.
9 million children under the age of 5 die each year in the world, many of whom who's parents believe in god, but jesus looks after you? and he's especially concerned with what you do when you're naked?
This is the very definition of narcissism and playing tennis without the net.
>>700896604
Well fine, but you or whoever it was said I should read the Bible and it'll explain away the problem of evil. In fact it doesn't; it's even worse than that--it says God himself commits evil.
The fact is I don't believe in God cognitively speaking, but it's fun to think about what a benevolent God would do and want us to do. I don't understand how to reconcile God's benevolence with his characterization in the Bible.
>>700895766
Most atheist are people who want proof just like all critical thinker. Most find ot absurd to believe in outdated ideas which slowly get disproven.( just search parts of theist bible that have been disproven).
We don't know all the answers but we are working to get there. Not fast but slowly and we find our answers instead of believing others. Niether theist nor atheist can prove god exist but at least we are working on it. We are the most hated and least trustworthy people because we challange your beliefs and people don't like that. Most like to stay in there small comfort zone and don't like new. But if you hate us atheists how can you love your god.
John 4:20:
Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
all the bad and evil going on in this world there's gotta b a good
>>700896818
Christianity will be known by every language and tongue, then the world ends shortly. It's written in the bible. Btw, the bible has been corrupted, so take with a grain of salt. All things corrupt.
Heaven is eternity. It's been said that in Heaven, that is where life truly begins.
>>700897018
You share over 50% of your DNA with those plants, and more than that with the bugs on the plant.
>>700896618
Complication of simpler organic material over sufficient time in an environment. Called evolution /b/ro
>>700896794
Of course it is; it always is when the Bible says incorrect things. Or maybe it's just aggressively ignorant stone age horse shit.
>>700897007
it's only a description, though. time is not a tangible matter.
>>700897118
I agree with the non-existence of God. I was just trying to point that out by saying we made those stories
>>700897149
>Most atheist are people who want proof just like all critical thinker
Not really. We're watching the world go to shit in a hand basket, and much of this tension is caused by religion and it's divisive destructiveness. We know that all these religions can't be true, because they're at odds with each other with deadly consequences.
>>700897149
too bad i didnt say i hated anyone. i can dislike people
>>700896464
You can have it later on when im dead but atm gotta kinda use it you know
>>700897205
>Heaven is eternity. It's been said that in Heaven, that is where life truly begins.
Life begins when you try psilocybin for the first time.
>>700897540
gtfo druggie
>>700897346
It is. You can build things based on the nature of time, it's predictable. It literally meets all the required standards of something that exists. Are you one of those that latched onto an edgy idea and now think being a diehard is the way to go? That's what the religions did man.....
>>700891612
And those who posit theistic claims bear the burden of proof. OP is a troll
>>700892269
dude, context for the gif
>>700897683
I don't know. Life may not begin with shrooms, but it certainly makes it more interesting than reading a Holy Book of any kind. Many of those books found their inspiration in altered states
>>700897205
>Heaven is eternity. It's been said that in Heaven, that is where life truly begins.
The only proof you have of that statement is in the form of a claim made in your bible.
Is this troubling at all? Do you really think you can survive your death? Would this change the way medicine is taught if some people can survive their deaths, and others cannot?
Rigor Mortis sets in just a couple of hours after a person dies. Do you think jesus became stiff and cold, and survived his death, and flew up without the aid of technology?
A few ancient miracles documented decades after their supposed occurrence should not really be a project worth organizing your lives around, and its having disastrous consequences around the world.
>>700897205
Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven, and David Berkowitz will be going there. Fuck that neighborhood, dude!
atheists are the most hypocritical cunts.
>GOD MUST NOT EXIST BECAUSE ITS SO DUMB TO THINK SOMETHING CREATED EVERYTHING.
You know what i find dumb? A MASSIVE EXPLOSION OF ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CREATED BILLIONS OF GALAXIES. THAT SEEMS WAY MORE RIDICULOUS THAN GOD
>>700897998
This is probably true. I wish we could reverse some of the damage people have done when they think that was a reality though.
Revelation is Jesus on shrooms
>>700896126
Same guy here.
With some add ons
Can god have a god and make another god.
If Leonardo de Vinci created an insurmountable amount of monalissa's they wouldn't be worth a penny ,
Ironically if religious beliefs are true of eternity then our lives are truly meaningless
Atheism existed before religion
If there was god he would be atheist
I posted well thought out and provable arguments in this thread about the nature of physics as we know it. I have been the overly wordy one talking about quarks and the higgs. The fact that almost none of the religo-tards could respond to any of it and chose instead to go after easy targets is just proof that you don't want an answer.
You like your fairy tale and choose to ignore data
>>700898342
3 parts to this each seperate. Don't read it as one single paragraph. Just try to answer each one
>>700898282
Edwin Powell Hubble was the first to find another galaxy, then he found that the galaxies were getting further apart. This is evidence that things were together and that the objects in the universe are getting further apart.
It beats the biblical creation story. It has evidence that anyone can examine as it was discovered in the 1920s
>>700898442
True.
>>700898442
which posts were yours?
>>700897934
>be me
>attempt to kill people to right injustice
>fuck it up so bad does not kill anyone
>mfw i die
>>700897756
you can't touch time
it's like the answer to a math equation
it's only a description
>>700889313
I am not an Atheist.
However I suspect I would like them more than you.
What arrogance to think your words will bring folks closer to God.
God does not ask you to act like an arrogant ass. Try enlightening folks rather then mocking them.
Consider yourself rebuked in the name of our Lord.
>>700898729
The ones he mentioned. You're welcome.
>>700898442
Yeah, it's futile man. Intellectual curiosity, empiricism, and critical thought are like the three prime evils to religious people. That's why they threw Galileo in prison, and why so many christians and muslims ape out when people point out their mistakes and misunderstandings.
>>700899041
im not gonna look for it so whatever
>>700898955
>bring folks closer to God.
Which god? There are currently over a million to choose from that are being worshiped at this time, and they all have equally compelling "evidence"
>>700898955
There is no God. Rebuke yourself.
>>700889313
the disinformation which passes for science now has been formulated to minimize the likelihood of "god"
however the big bang THEORY; is just that. the idea that the universe exploded forth from a single particle where nothing existed prior is more unlikely then a god.
if gasses where pre-existing it raises the question where rhey stem from.
the BBT has now been accepted by the foolish as truth.
even gravity in itself is still unknown to us; we can only witness its effects through the attraction of mass to mass. the information given by military/government funded space agencies have been doctored and falsified since its birth.
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atheism is a fairly new ideal, most likely a psyop in accordance to "the scientific revolution"
...
fact is none of you little faggots know everything or potentially anything about our planet, solar system, universe or dimensions.
none of you could even provide an unbias historic account of our human history. (as victors of war write the past and those who control the past control the present, those who control the present control the future)
so if you cannot even tell me about the true history of man-how can you state there is no god.
never has their been such a pathetic view point from humans.
do you believe you are the most intelligent being in the universe?
to deny something that is beyond your comprehension just shows your ignorance.
you dont beleive in a god...well, he doesnt beleive in you either.
>>700897118
The bible does explain the problem of evil. You just don't know how to read apparently.
>>700899218
i love the "evidence" you atheists have
>>700892412
Every religion has its radicals man, doesn't mean they all want to kill gays
>>700898729
these ones
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I messed up and responded to myself on accident in one but i fixed it
>>700899162
It's easy. Just scroll back up the page, and read the intelligent posts that talk about science an discovery.
Science has always given us what we value. We can safely know that science is in the values business and helps us with a moral compass.
Can science describe human health or happiness? sure it can. Can it guide us to a happier healthier lives? it has been getting better and better at this, and continues to improve.
>>700894807
God murders millions of people in the bible, created diseases, created war, created fear, let children die of Hunger and let suffer people just because he wants to. And you call a guy who does nothing more than spreading a little bit doubt the evil?
>>700898931
You may not be able to touch it but I can make provable adjustments to it through application of energy which is more than one can say for God. If it can be manipulated, it exists
>>700899342
Explain why God punished Adam and Eve when the Bible says they didn't know right from wrong. Do it.
>>700899344
Why should I believe in one God and not others?
>>700891567
The higgs boson is not compatible with science
>>700899344
What question do you have? Do you like western medicine? do you like the fact the hundreds of biblical answers have been updated to scientific discoveries that prove the biblical version was wrong? isn't that cool?
The earth is not standing still on its foundations as it says in psalms or proverbs. The vatican finally absolved Galileo of heresy for saying that the earth is revolving around the sun 350 years after his death! isn't that nice of the vatican!
>>700899297
Gasses are made of matter as we know it. When you speak of things before this, you are meant to think of the beginning, before the atoms or even the forces that bound them existed.
Gasses, lol. tard
>>700899218
YHWH
>>700899270
No trips no dubs.
>>700899549
Thanks btw. I thought they were intelligent
>>700899515
so you are basically saying "we know what happened after the big bang but we dont know what happened before" How does that disprove god?
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>>700899912
> vatican finally absolved Galileo of heresy for saying that the earth is revolving around the sun 350 years after his death! isn't that nice of the vatican!
1992 the vatican absolved that heretical bastard Galileo
Because he completely turned what the bible said upside down. He literally proved that the bible was absolutely wrong.
>>700899715
time can't be manipulated, though.
only the objects which are described with time can be.
>>700900064
>YHWH
So, what makes your god so special? He won't throw me in a lake of fire (as an act of his perfect love) if I don't believe in him will he?
My dad told me the other day that I was going to hell for rejecting god.
I grew up super catholic and all so I have a good enough understanding to realize how full of shit christianity is, but jeez, even if he's wrong, my own dad thinks im going to hell
Feels bad man.
>>700900231
Which Bible?
>>700899868
How is that? I would love to see this. Thats like people telling Einstein that the basic quantum of energy couldn't be the photon because they didn't understand how. Once the dual nature was explained, it all settled itself
>>700899800
I already did. It's an allegorical representation of the human condition.
>>700900447
>Which Bible?
LOL
Psalm 104:5, any version of it you wish
>>700900458
The higgs boson is just a subsitute for something we cannot understand, it contradicts physics to suggest that a particle gives us mass, anyone with half a brain can see that
>>700900480
WTF does that mean? What's the allegory supposed to express? What's the moral of the story if it's not that man disobeyed God and was punished as a result? Which other parts of the Bible are non-literal? The stuff exhorting us to murder gays? The stuff about not eating pork? The stuff about Jews being slaves in Egypt? The stuff about Jesus rising from the dead?
>>700900377
Nice dubs.
No he won't throw you in a lake of fire for not believing in him. For goodness sake which of the Churches that claim to be HIS actually are?
For goodness sake you have not yet had a second chance to get to know him.
As long as your not a "mean evil fucker"? The rules are pretty simple.
Treat all men as brothers do unto them as you would have them do unto you.
>>700900480
holy shit thats a depressing outlook on humanity.
you actually choose to believe this shit?
like you want to be an inherently damned weakling?
>>700900644
Earth's orbit is unstable also, btw, so it is moving by forces around it, which completely disproves Psalm 104:5.
This is why Galileo was on lock down by the Vatican. He's fucking lucky he wasn't burned.
>>700900185
No, I was saying that the methods for exploring physics and the nature of our universe as it is can be used to simulate the environment before on small scale, and you can't do that for God. The point is that while we can interact with the phenomena of our universe and seek to better understand it through provable testing, the same is not and will never be for "GOD"
>>700900001
nice rebuttal dickhead.
i only mentioned that because ive heard countless knobs and scientists state this.
tard.
any other enlightening contributions? or are you happy woth your closed mind indoctrination?
>>700900921
>No he won't throw you in a lake of fire for not believing in him
But, it says he will in Mark 9, matthew 15..
Are you sure you read your bible?
>>700900921
>Treat all men as brothers do unto them as you would have them do unto you.
That was Jesus's rule only for jews to treat other jews. You do know that jesus was the teacher for the jews.. he wasn't talking about how to treat the gentiles.
Paul addressed the gentiles... Do you even read your bible?
>>700900297
It can be. Moving closer and closer to the speed of light can make the time relative to you slower than anything not traveling at that speed, which is to say with that amount of energy. The fact that it can be proven to move slower due to energy input is evidence
>>700901175
>Are you sure you read your bible?
Don't you understand you idiot? It's allegory!
See
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>>700899342
DUH!
AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ARGUING ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF EVIL IT HAS A SIMPLE ANSWER. God gave us free will therefore giving us a CHOICE to be evil. God didnt create people to be evil. If god made everyone non evil then that would take away FREE WILL. Thats why evil people exist
>>700901175
That isnt in the bible, lakes had a different meaning in the past faggot
Atheists always try to misunderstand the word of God in order to prop up their weak arguments
>>700901613
Yup, atheists think there is no free will, which makes literally no sense
>>700900921
Listen, you have to read the bible to understand how repulsive it is. Read it and understand the whole thing and DO NOT CHERRY PICK IT.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for instruction.
This means that Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine had not read the sermon on the mount before they started burning people at the stake. St Augustine's favorite thing was torture. He helped get the ball rolling for the Inquisition.
No place in the bible does it say when you discover the new world and develop your three branches of government you can abandon the barbarism of the old testament.
>>700900834
Just like the "unknown" particle that later came to be the photon was the ghost in pre-1940s physics. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean we can't imply its existence from the data. This is how many elements were predicted before their actual discovery, because we knew the structure and rules and they implied heavier elements. We don't know specifically what it is yet but we know its there. It may even be more important than we know, or be just a part of a larger interaction. The point is that what it DOES is there and physics doesn't stop because we can't identify it right away.
>>700901613
>>700901785
That doesn't solve the problem of natural evil. And there is no contradiction between having free will and still doing good. God could have created a universe where people have the option of committing evil but freely choose to do good. Hell, you guys believe in free will even in the face of divine foreknowledge which forecloses the possibility of choice. This has been done to death in the literature on the problem of evil.
>>700901785
where the fuck did i say atheists dont believe in free will idiot? people were saying if god exists, why is there evil.
>>700901413
the thing is, is that if you're moving at the speed of light, it's not that you are manipulating time. you are just experiencing time on a different scale.
time can only "move" as fast as the objects it described. it can't describe something that hasn't happened yet.
>>700901386
Jews?
Surely you mean "Hebrews" since Christ would have been from two of the 12 tribes via Mary?
His teachings were for all of Israel not just today's Jew's of Revelation 2:9.
Paul taught Gentiles? Well sure if you mean Romans and Greeks. John and Paul argued about who should receive the message. (Acts) But many who think they are Gentiles are Hebrews and many who say they are jews are not.
Christs words are for any who desire to seek them.
>>700901579
>Don't you understand you idiot? It's allegory!
So, you the human have determined what is allegory? So, it take humans to decide that slavery is bad, because the bible doesn't condemn it in any fashion, nor does it decide that women shouldn't be treated like farm equipment.
Jefferson Davis, the president of the confederate states used the bible as evidence to prove slavery was blessed by god. He knew he was on the winning side of a theological debate, and he never stopped talking about it.
>>700901107
My calling you a tard was more a statement of your ignorance of a subject you blindly wade into with a bat of disbelief. You don't understand the shit you rhetorically parrot but you are convinced of its authenticity. Admitting that you heard it and that's the only reason you said it only furthers my point.
Tard
>>700902577
I wasn't being serious. I thought the DUH! gave it away.
ALSO EXPLAIN HOW SOOOOOO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED AND COME BACK TO LIFE EXPLAIN SEEING/MEETING GOD?
>>700902229
And have I said it says otherwise?
Have I?
You call those men "Saints" I do not.
I teach commandment 10 of them.
I struggle to follow them.
I do not cast stone at others who are unable to follow them. I don't enforce the law.
Don't think that because a man says he is an expert or worse a Father n a funny hat that he speaks on behalf of God.
Paul did not seem to understand that.
And he created a lie that has endured for centuries.
Go ahead ask me about the lie called "RAPTURE"!
>>700902229
>This means that Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine had not read the sermon
This means that Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine had read the sermon on the mount.. yes, they had read all of it and determined torture was the best route to spread christianity.
(correction to my original texts)
>>700889313
we could, but you still believe in an superior being in the sky that lets humans kill themselves, so you're too stupid to argue with.
>>700902335
Yet the ability to interact with it on any scale it proof of existence. Just like the weak force is the same for two point in the universe, so is time as evidenced by the half life of matter through radiation. It exists man.
>>700900835
The allegory? The origins of good and evil perhaps? I mean it continues throughout the rest of Genesis...
I should backtrack a bit, since I now see your point was even more inane then I had originally suspected...
Adam and Eve were not without knowledge of what is right and wrong... That's a silly assumption. God commanded them not to do something, they did it, they were punished for it. There's no inherent lack of logic with the story itself. Right and wrong are not the same thing as good and evil.
>>700903131
>free will
>>700902368
hebrews, Jews, israelites, same difference.
Jesus wasn't here for everyone - just the jews.
Paul never saw Jesus, and we know this by reading the bible.
We have no evidence that a Jesus ever even existed outside the bible.
We have evidence that the hebrew god would kill his own son, and Abraham would kill his son.. these ideas should be alarming to you.
How are acts of human sacrifice moral? How is your favorite religion's symbol being a torture device good for humans and how does it make people happy?
False comfort only comes from false friends.
>>700902577
>bible doesn't condemn
Of course it condemns it.
Perhaps get a Strong's Concordance and look up the meanings of the words.....!
Servant and Master did not mean master and slave. But really go look these things up . Perhaps then you'll understand that to God you are a Slave of this World at this very moment. You have been enslaved by numerous men good evil and indifferent. All of whom have distracted you from the true goal.
>>700889313
>PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED WITH A GOD????? YOU CAN'T BTW
>>700903573
You guys are arguing about writing that start after everyone involved was dead. The earliest Book, the Book of David I believe, wasn't even compiled till like 100 years later
>>700903335
>Right and wrong are not the same thing as good and evil.
I want to hear your explanation of the distinction, then.
>>700902658
what disbelief exactly are you refering too?
my disbelief in human knowledge of these events/non events?
you have no fucking idea what your on about.
you cannot deny God's existence because you do not understand.
believing everything i said was parroted. ah yea just cause i mentioned one line about some faggot scientists speculated gasses being a cause of the big bang.
just so you know little faggot. talking and listening is just as much a part of learning as reading, memorization and writing.
you have still not brought a valid argument forth.
do so or eat a dick faggot.
>>700902987
I'm not following this. But, we have a lot of information people believe, but they are passing around as knowledge.
Knowledge is not the same as belief. Please understand that your beliefs are beliefs that are not the same as when a fireman comes running into your building yelling "fire, everyone leave", of course you should with all reason believe the fireman. This is not the same.
Please do not act like you know things you cannot possibly know. It's bad for society, and completely in opposition to personal responsibility and collaboration among human beings.
>>700903573
Nope.
Hebrews is descendants of Jacob.
Israelite's would be his offspring.
Israelis would be people from the land of Israel today. Jews would be a subset of Hebrews the offspring of Judah. Juda's kids.. Another son of Jacob or Israel was Dan.. Can you think of a county where people are called Dan's (Danes)
Jew's can be Hebrew.
Not all Hebrews are Jews.
Scientology is the only way of life
>>700897109
compared to the 100 million killed in the last 100 years to atheist dictators?
>>700903335
>The allegory? The origins of good and evil perhaps?
>Right and wrong are not the same thing as good and evil.
So Adam and Eve committed a wrong, but the allegory is about the origins of evil, which, based on your statement, has nothing to do with them committing or originating evil?
>>700903573
I liked Isaac, and I love Yeshua, so because of their faith I worship God.
I do not know if I like God.
>>700904234
This guy gets it
>>700903628
You're talking about the same slaves that were non-jewish from other lands, that could be beaten, but not so bad that it knocks out their teeth or eyes?
These slaves who could be passed down from generation to generation?
There is no way sugar coat slavery, even with a concordance.
The option to outlaw slavery was available, as many non-theist cultures had already done.
God chose to outlaw shellfish instead, he made it very clear that mixing linen and wool was wrong, and it was stoning offense to boil a baby goat in its mother's milk.
Jesus admonished slaves to serve their masters as they served the lord. This is as good as it gets broseph.
>>700904367
They weren't killed in order to advance the principles of atheism. They were mostly killed to advance fascism and communism, which are facile mind-corrupting ideologies in and of themselves. Like religion.
>>700904008
I have had many valid arguments and you continuous rise into rage is clearly the result.
Also, YOU said that the only reason you said it was that you heard it. I know that the most important part to learning is understanding, not memorization. You don't seem to even grasp that. As this drags on you show yourself to more and more the stereotypical blind follower.
haha christ-cucks, your philosophies don't match my post modern egalitarian ones, ergo god doesn't exist.
*shoves banana up ass and pours hot oil on cock*
God is also not Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent as that is never mentioned in the bible
>>700904401
wat.
The fruit itself allegorically gave them knowledge of what is good and what is evil. Eating the fruit was 'wrong' only because they were commanded not too, eating the fruit was not evil.
>>700903136
time doesn't exist
it's just an imagination that we had
it describes things, just like the fibonacci ratio does
>>700904920
typical atheist double standard
every crime commited by a christian is in the name of christianity. same should be said for atheist. since atheism is a religion, everything done is in the name of atheism
if your GOD exists than explain THIS
Checkmate Christians
>>700903335
Also, if the magic fruit granted them knowledge of good and evil, why was it that the first "evil" they recognized was being naked? WTF would that be an "evil" initially beyond their grasp, but disobeying God a "wrong" that they understood?
>>700905227
free will
>>700904367
>100 million killed in the last 100 years to atheist dictators?
It wasn't because these leaders were too skeptical, too anti-dogmatic, it was because they operated exactly like religions, full of dogma.
Every SS soldier had "Got Mit Uns" on his belt buckle that means "god with us" and Hitler regularly invoked jesus in his speeches.
The Vatican never excommunicated anyone in the 3rd reich and even said prayers for hitlers birthday.
Joseph Gobbels was excommunicated... for marrying a protestant.
Your arguments have been destroyed by history.
>>700905292
free will exists maybe on a scale
it's not absolute
