Obviously Gary J. is going to win once he gets into the debates. It's not even going to be a contest.
Just remember that considering none of you are part of the wealthy ruling class, Donald Trump will fuck you in the ass with his every action. That's what conservative politicians do. Liberals, like Hillary, aren't really working in your best interest, but they will at least throw you a bone. The best you're gonna get from Daddy Trump is a kick in the face, so just chew on that for a while before you continue caterwauling over Trump.
Trump is not the wealthy ruling class. He simply made good decisions with his million dollar inheritance that any /btard would have blown in a year. He is a smart man and wants to be LEGEND. and he will.
Well, I believe I'll vote for a third party candidate.
right. he made excellent business decisions with his money. everything Trump touches turns into gold...except his abandoned casino in atlantic city, his failed efforts to revitalize Atlantic City which left the city in financial ruin, all of the bankruptcies he's filed, the scam that is called Trump University, his numerous failures selling products under the Trump name...
apparently facts don't matter to republicans and the alt-right
Hillary. For one reason. She already paid the right people after her loss to Barry 8 years ago.
You fucks don't understand how our election process actually works.
Popular vote means jack shit. It's an illusion. The electoral college is the body that puts people in power. Sometimes the people's vote coincides with the college and people are happy, but we've seen the popular vote swing wildly to one candidate and all of the sudden, we have the other jackass winning the whole thing.
You realize this makes Trump very qualified to run our inflated debt-ridden bubble economy, right?
it's not lying if you believe what you're saying
Who gives a shit? Inflation is normal. There are hundreds of millions of more people in the country and trillions more dollars. Individual worth of a dollar must *necessarily* decline.
My problem with anti Clinton-ers is that they are SO fucking hung up on her being a "liar".
>like basically every politician we've ever had has NEVER lied to us
She lied about something. Big fucking deal. So did Reagan, Bush Sr. AND Jr., et al. The list goes on and on.
For stupid people, it ends at "she's a liar"
For people who have been around and paid attention, it has to do with the long history of corrupt actions of the Clinton family. That's not to say no one has ever been corrupt in office, but why not try to curtail it now?
>These are the options in Mericaland
>There is no hope
Because both candidates are lying to get into office. One of them just so happens to have the media deeper in his pocket than the other.
Bill Clinton actually ushered in a microscopic golden age for the US in the 90s. Sure, people used loopholes he created to ignite the housing bubble collapse but we were actually doing pretty damn good in the 90s. There are worse presidential dynasties to get back in office, that's for damn sure. Let's not forget that he wasn't fired for being horrendous at his job. He was impeached...for a fucking blowjob.
>Do we want our president fucked by a cuck every night
>Trump fucks his foreign hottie like a boss every night
So clearly, lying is par for the course in American politics. That's why this "omg shes a fucking liar!" logic is such bullshit. We've had liars this entire time, and we're being forced to choose between two liars right now. There is no way to change it, and Sanders was probably lying to us too. Refusing to vote for her JUST because she's a liar is retarded.
His entire campaign is falling apart. His own administration gave up, and they're starting to jump ship one by one. He'll have to stop eventually. His entire staff just threw their hands up and said "fuck it". They called for a restructuring of his entire platform. In a weird way-- that makes everything he's said thus far a lie.
define "very qualified". although I agree with some of his views on trade agreements and for somehow magically increasing manufacturing in the USA, his economic policy is essentially cut taxes for the wealthy and gambling on the wealthy pumping money into our economy which will somehow trickle down to everyone else. The problem with this experiment called trickle-down economics is that it is a proven, dismal, failure which leads to these bubbles forming in the first place. We have had mostly majority Republican leadership for many decades now which have tried to make it work and have failed. Some of the best economies that the USA has ever had were during times when the tax bracket for the top 1% were kept very high, and the tax bracket for the middle class kept very low. It doesn't take a genius to understand that when the middle class is empowered they spend money and fuel the economy. In fact, history proves that. Think post WWII.
ISIL is so 3 years ago, who gives a fuck? We're bombing them to hell and back over there. Most of their leaders are dead already.
Who told you that? Megyn Kelly?
I'm starting to think that too but everyone I talk to has different theories about why he bothered to run in the first place. I heard a new one yesterday, matter of fact. The guy was ranting about how Trumps campaign is the perfect cover for a media take-over. His idea was that the only reason Trump ran for president was to get control of the media so he can control what we see and hear about the world around us just like Hitler and Kim Jong Un did. What's y'alls theories?
I just feel like we've seen enough clips of him supporting atypical democratic platforms in the last 30 years to know that he doesn't actually feel the way hes telling us he feels right now. Hes lying about something, but I guess we won't find out what until after the election.
ISIS isn't being hindered at all by the US. They aren't fighting back at all. "Bombing them to hell and back" requires nukes and I'm positive none of those have been sent their way.
No one told me that muslims murder women and gays - I've seen it happen every day for the last few months.
You sound just like her... "What difference does it make?"
Whens the last time a politician gave a fuck about how many people voted for a 3rd party candidate in protest? That has never happened. Our votes do not matter, as we've seen this entire election. Sanders was actually beating Clinton in the polls, but "somehow" he didn't win the nomination.
>ISIL is so 3 years ago, who gives a fuck? We're bombing them to hell and back over there. Most of their leaders are dead already.
Even though you are mostly correct, Donald Trump disagrees with you. According to him our military is a disaster, Obama is the founder of ISIS, and that we are losing the war against them.
Obama wasn't nominated second term by citizens of America
>except for the bombs that we just dropped on Aleppo that everyones having a goddamn seizure about
>sound just like her
You sound just like Trump, to be honest. Advocating nuclear warfare and making broad generalizations about an entire religion based on the actions of a fringe extremist minority. I'm not saying that they ARENT murdering people, I'm just saying that they aren't ALL murdering people.
Apparently you haven't seen the news about the Iraq Army retaking Fallujah and now are close to starting the campaign to take back Mosul. This, of course was done with the help of our special forces and advisors.
Yeah, but we really aren't. So isn't that in and of itself, a lie he's telling us? "Our military is a disaster", pfffft. A disaster that's been bleeding us dry for the last 10+ years.
Fuck voting and fuck Hillary
"fringe extremist minority" is a really funny way of saying "every goddamn one of them"
Unless you live in Germany or France, Sweden you have no idea. Every day I see more and more of them. More rapes, more murders, more bombings... They should be eradicated like the vermin they are.
thats kind of my point. there is like 40 something percent of the population not voting. if all those ppl voted against the main two then those voters could not be ignored. but instead, defeatist and complacency.
Trump will make America white again
Yes, that's my point. Republicans, alt-right and Trump straight up hate the fact that we are making progress against ISIL, so they make up bullshit and refuse to acknowledge anything Obama accomplishes.
You mean the countries that are actively trying to let MORE refugees and annex Turkey into the EU?
>the countries that are chock full of citizens who are voting to make sure this keeps happening?
If you're so upset about rapes and murders, then you should close your fucking borders and kick them out. Until then, you're bitching about a problem you brought on yourselves, and shitting all over the country who's doing your dirty work for you.
It is impossible to kick them out. Our government leaders are almost all muslim slime now, too. The only way to get them to leave is to start exterminating them and we can't do that, we have no weapons.
There is no way of knowing what he wants to media to tell us. They say something shitty, he responds with something inflammatory that has no substance, and suddenly he's the Republican nominee for President.
He's not telling us how he plans to deliver on his promises. He's saying inflammatory shit, and relying on the media to slander him, so he can continue to say more inflammatory shit. That's his entire campaign strategy.
You don't know why, frankly.
Could be something as simple as being stupid and burned out on their civic duties. Stop trying to equate Clinton and Trump like all the other fucking faggots do around here. They are NOTHING alike. NOTHING. Do you fucking hear?
My point is that those voters are ignored every single time. It's not defeatist, you're just too young and idealistic. We were VOTING for Sanders, and look at where that got us. No where, because our votes do not matter whatsoever. Just like they haven't mattered for the last 40 years.
germany was pushed into doing that. its because of WWII, we still have to play the good guys to get the others trust.also angela merkel is a scared little bitch who doesnt know how to run a country
How are things in the Mumbai shill center?
Trashing Obama has been one of my biggest problems throughout his entire presidency. We elected him into office because he promised to clean up the mess Bush Jr made, and then when he got in there we just blamed HIM for that mess instead. He's ended the war, he's killed Osama Bin Laden, he's given healthcare to millions of people, he brokered a trade deal with Cuba (where the last 2 presidents failed), he even reached a nuclear deal with IRAN for fucks sake. The TPP was a disaster sure, but at least the democratic party didn't shut down the entire government when they didn't get their way. Like children throwing a temper tantrum.
You make a powerful argument.
Well Hillary sure has raised political and corporate cronyism to a fine art.
She will take on the big bankers for sure.
Actually taxing the financial sector to pay for tuition-free education is a party pledge, so yeah.
And Warren wants to re-instate Glass Steagal and strengthen other protections, did you have a point? Or are you just going to keep being a faggot about this until the thread 404s?
Trump is against the existing order of bullshit that fuck peoples shit up.
Pretty much all the vids / interviews that were not entertainment was him bitching how fucked up the government is screwing shit up.
Perhaps. I don't think he would've gotten the supporters that he did if he were running as anything other than Democrat though. Honestly, his entire platform was too idealistic. You cannot tax a minority to pay for the majority. Free healthcare and education's all well and good, but that will not successfully happen overnight (in this case, in the 8 years he wouldve been in office if he had won). Our economic model is structured in a VERY specific capitalist way, and changing that so dramatically overnight is impossible. We'd crash and burn before it got off the ground. I wish econ 101 was mandatory in our education system.
Didn't pay much attention the first time around with the Clinton scumbag gang, did ya' there little fella?
Actually no, Sanders gave Clinton one fuck of a run for her money. And arguably, the DNC hacks were the best thing to happen to him because he then had leverage to fire DWS and get most of his ideas put into the Party Platform.
Ah, that's why Wall Street is bankrolling Hillary - they want to pay the college tuition for everyone!
Good to know.
Too little, too late. You're right though, most of his ideas are now incorporated into the Democratic platform, but that's just as bad. Instead of Sanders running us into the ground with radical restructuring, it'll be the first female president we've ever had. Pretty powerful ammo if one were to say, come out AFTER the crisis and use her as an example of why a woman should never be elected as President. Theoretically.
I recognize the face of the camel so dont scroll down, yet every time i dont reconise the thump nail and click on it evry fucking time , im also very high.
What was this thread about agin?
How much do you think Hillary will charge for a pardon for a exiled tax cheat?
If it's tinfoil to feel concern over someone's political motivations, then we're all fucked. Unless you truly believe Hillary is immune to all outside forces influencing her political actions, at which point you're more fucked up than I ever could be.
>tfw lobbyists are totally a thing and not something a random anon on 4chan just pulled out of his ass
In holland its 40% who does votes, i need to get my id renewed so i can vote
Look faggot, I've made the decision based on the available information.
Clinton has the potential to be a great President, and the right-wing is pulling out every stop to make sure that doesn't happen.
That's the only way they know how to silence opposition, god knows they couldn't stand up in a debate.
We all know Hillary will win the election. Trump wins by losing. More celebrity, more deals, more money...
5 years and you are a full citizen.
With the schengen agreement they can move to any european country they want.
They could have a massive migration shift with in europe take over , fuck shit up move to the next one.
i dont even leave my house, let alone i would manage to get close with a weapon with my anxiety.
If it was only ancient greece were you just paid the worth of the slave you killed.
You seem to be a confused and angry little man.
I will too. If we could break the law, I'd HAPPILY vote for him a 3rd time. He really has done an amazing job, and anyone who says otherwise is just falling for the GOP smoke and mirrors show. People can shit on him all they want, but when a crisis happens I look to him for guidance because he always has this diplomatic air of "don't worry, I have all of this under control". Neither Clinton nor Trump would know how to navigate the shit he's had to deal with, and it scares me all the time. People forget that we're kind of a big deal, globally. What we do affects the rest of the world, and we need someone who can rise above all the petty bickering and stay his course instead of giving up and bending to Congress' will.
>you're both making an argument that i just made up out of thin air
>while i yell at you for things you never said
I take that back. You're pretty good at this strawman nonsense.
any one have the gaurd rail that got placed for hillarys vistit?
You, uuhh, got rid of those braces huh. huhuhuhuhuh ahuhuh
Wait, are we mad at Clinton for her platform or are we mad at them for their looks? I can never tell. A woman comes out and says "this is my idea", and all we ever say is "yer ugly lol". But I guess that's what equality looks like, amirite?
Every. Fucking. Thread.
How's the Tourettes syndrome going?
No i would fuck, but its a bit fake and pretentious to get shit done.
In her defense she ones some one who really needed it.
His whole campaign rests on getting the lower class and middle class back up again. Read up on what he is actually saying, not want cnn and other clinton backer owned news outlets are saying.
Bitch , dont be stupid its her mother running.
We are nearly discussing her appearance
obama destroyed my family
obamacare made my sister illegible for her disablility and medicare - she was dropped immediately. No one in my family "qualifies" for obamacare. 2 years of court shit and paying out of pocket for her meds left us in financial ruin
new tax regulations placed me in a higher tax bracket (47%) so now I take home 26k a year instead of 35k
sister was in and out of hospital every 9 months until she died earlier this year. never going to be able to pay the hospital bills
he is a murderer
He's not actually saying a goddamn thing, except inflammatory sexist/racist/ignorant remarks that get his name in the fucking papers (metaphorically. print is dead.) There is no plan, he never had one. You'd notice it if you actually watch his rambling speeches. All he ever does is dogcuss his opponents and yell about immigrants.
So you're just voting for him out of spite for Clinton. This is why other countries laugh at us for our stupidity, because we're children with voting rights. I can plug my ears and stamp my feet too. I just don't because I grew the fuck up and started voting on the ISSUES rather than the popularity contest our elections have turned into.
>All politicians lie so let me vote for the one that denies it the best.
You're kind of redundant here and you're being a twink about it.
I agree all politicians are fucked that's why I have one issue I vote on.
>Obama is a murderer
I didn't qualify for disability benefits until Obamacare was enacted. Just because you're not part of the millions who were helped, doesn't mean that those millions do not exist. And I'm not sure if this is news to you but there are patient assistance programs out there, state funded medicaid, and how do I know that? Because I was in and out of court, out of pocket, for 2 years waiting to get approved for those medical benefits. There is help out there if you ask for it. But you won't get help if you sit there blaming the President for all of your problems in life. Sorry about your sister.
Hillary will win because she has a grasp on the job and Trump doesn't. When the true horror of that idiot having the power to destroy America comes home to voters, they will choose any alternative.
you mean where I accurately called you out for making stupid arguments as to why we shouldn't vote for Clinton?
You're still doing it, too. Don't use debate terminology with me you impudent Trumpfag.
implying idiots will learn before experiencing the consequences (we want out of the european union! fuck these refugees)
implying idiots learn from their mistakes
implying anything anyone says, including trump himself, will make his voters change their minds
Just like he got lucky and stumbled 1 million into 10 billion? He has extensive plans but you don't get paid to listen, you get paid to Correct the record.
Interviews from the 70's have him bring up the same issues.
>dont use smart words with me
>i cant understand them so ill just yell louder
I still am absolutely floored by the fact that either of these assholes are still being voted for.
How dumb are human beings that they're putting their faith into either one of these fuckheads to represent the US ?
ITT Lol Drumpf went bankrupt 4 times lolol. You know, ignoring the 500+ businesses that didn't and his 96%+ success rate being so fucking stupidly higher than the average it's insane. Butwhatdoiknowkermit.jpg