>>700689326 >europe bans guns >europe gets shot up at a concert hall >europe gets shot up at a mall >europe gets shot up in restaurants >europe gets shot up in police standoffs >UK PM gets shot in broad daylight >europe gets bombed >europe gets trucks slammed into its civilians
Banning firearms works. America is insane. Look at how much safer europe is. >Merkel the Almighty will protect us while selling our people out to Islam
Every single statistic that makes America look bad >poverty >violence >education >healthcare >obesity
Is due 100% to niggers. If you got rid of the niggers, all of those stats would be in line with the western world. We have a much higher nigger rate than everyone else. Europe is thankfully getting a taste of this by importing their own "niggers" from the middle east. Rape and violent crime is growing rapidly thanks to Muslims. Hopefully the stupid libcucks will wake up and soon and realize non-whites need to die.
>>700689326 no. he'l stab you 50 times with a shiv until you're just a bloody pulp on the floor. if you have a gun however and he start stabbing you, the weakest gun on the market is powerful not to destroy his internal organs for life in one shot. you win easy. if everyone have had a gun, no one would attack schools and malls because you would have to be insane to do it. someone would fucking shoot you.
>>700691667 Alright, let's break down the logic here so you can understand. Sorry there isn't a crayon font. The OP's pic claims that without a gun, would-be mass murders would be rendered harmless. My post claimed that the bombing proved that isn't the case, since they were able to throw together an IED from supplies they were able to legally obtain. You implied my point was somehow invalid because the use of IEDs is illegal. I struggled to understand the point of this, as it has nothing to do with the argument, which is: "Can mass murder still occur without guns?" Law doesn't enter into it. Since you brought up IEDs are illegal, I assumed you must be implying that making something illegal prevents it from happening. So I pointed out that mass murder itself is illegal, and yet it clearly happens.
>>700692742 With stabbing you can just be stronger then the guy with the knife. A gun is point and click, insta done. 1 person without a knife could stop person with a knife. 1 person without a gun dies instantly to the person with the gun. Real fucking fair
>>700692661 libcucks will never wake up for political libcucks its about power and position not about liberty freedom or safety they will vote any which way the wind blows to keep themselves in power. but the same can be said about the other side
>>700689326 Guns exist. The knowledge how to build them exist. It follows that there will always be people who have them. It's only logical to assume that some of the people in possession of guns are intending to use them to cause harm. None of this is controversial.
Why, then, is it so controversial that you want to own a gun and with that have the same power to defend yourself than someone with malicious intent has to attack you? Why would you deliberately put yourself in a position of weakness, knowing you are "playing by the rules" to defend yourself, while the opposition is not playing by the rules to attack you?
Feel free to be the point man on the stack going door to door to confiscate them. But we all know you're just a hand wringing faggot that won't do shit.
The 2nd amendment won't be repealed in my lifetime, faggot liberals claim rounding up 11 million illegals would be impossible but somehow think they'll be able to rid the country of 330 mil.+ legally owned guns.
>>700691857 >homicide has dropped in the EU remember that the EU don't want to be racist so they don't cont homicides or rapes committed by immigrants. don't forget terrorist attacks. the EU has suffered more terrorist attacks this year as america has suffered since 9/11. terrorist think like this >where does the mission have more success rate? >americans will just shoot us >we should take France. a lot of gay people there and no guns. >good idea Shabdo
Since we're discussing guns, and since I hate asking /k/ these casual questions because the answers are too autistic, what's a good rifle? I want something relatively inexpensive, long range, deadly, high capacity is optional but not necessary, just a good general purpose long gun. In other words I don't think I'm asking for an AR15. Something simpler.
>>700693802 I can't wait to hear on the news that you got shot in a robbery by a nigger and couldn't defend yourself, because you don't want a gun, knowing your last thought was "Help me, cons, help me with your weapon and defend my faggot ass".
Who is running that cool death machine flying above? Who is behind that scope on that sniper rifle? Who's driving the Apache copters?
It's not mudslime's or foreigners dumbass. It's US enlisted men.
Do you honestly think in an all out fall of civilization (and banning guns WILL cause all out uprisal of armed citizens in this country) that these enlisted, US citizens will open fire on their own countrymen just cause some jarhead boss tells them to to keep getting a paycheck that probably won't come or matter in the face of all out anarchy?
Most of them will refuse. Some of them may even turn those weapons you talk about right back against their superior officers. Hell, even most of the offices will probably low down their arms and join the citizenry as well.
>>700693802 i think you mistake me for a trump supporter but hillary is still shit you can take all the guns, mine too. but take all the niggers with you when you go. as long as niggers matter i will have my guns.
>>700693895 ar15mold has been around for about a year already. CAD files for 3d printed ar lowers have been around for atleast 3 years. the problem with the 3d printed lowers is there hasnt really been a filament strong enough to withstand the repeated shock of the bolt slamming into it.
YES, I do think that a law abiding American should have the right to Tactical Nuclear Weapons, Apache helicopters, and Joint Strike Fighters for that matter. If they can afford them, find an FFL that sells them, store and maintain them so they are not a hazzard to their neighbors via radiation, chemical storage, etc. Of course that would be a long way to go for self defense but why not. Seen any for sale.
>>700691857 'we will ban guns and confiscate them" TOP FUCKING KEK THIS ISNT NAZI GERMANY, NOBODY WOULD JUST LAY DOWN AND GIVE THEM UP LOL.
It would cause one of the biggest rebellions in history if they tried to confiscate guns in the modern day you fucking moron, and with 82 million LEGALLY armed civilians You anti-gunners wouldn't stand a fucking chance.
>>700689326 Are you americacs that ignorant? FFS it's not the gun that makes a choice of pulling the trigger, it's the human (or ape in most cases). Solve your social problems and all of those mass shooting will disappear.
>>700689326 Only psychopaths have violent urges or think about shooting people so yeah it's the guy behind it. If you take away his gun he might go buy one illegally (very easy) and there ya go. I only use guns to play with anyway, it's fun and relaxing to shoot.
>>700693190 US population: 360 million Population of all the other countries on that image: 300 million
The US would have an expected percentage of 54.54% when controlling for that, so it only exceeds by 11%. Now what if we also controlled for niggers and other non whites? Then you'd have 47% fewer mass shootings. That means the US would have FAR FEWER mass shootings than those other countries.
Your image completely destroys your own claim, you fuckwit.
>>700695119 clearly you don't understand what per capita means.
because you gun nuts are literal retards.
and you're likely some alt-right sjw, who's still in high school. no, you'll likely remain this stupid, you alt-right sjw's are 1. unemployed, and 2. uneducated, through all stages of life, as exhibited by your 'god king trump and supporters'.
>>700689635 Not everyone has the knowledge to build a bomb. Guns require no knowledge other than "pull the trigger" >>700690648 nuclear weapons and gas chambers are already not available for sale. >>700691963 So your thought is since they will still want to kill we should make it easier. >>700691857 Correlation dickhead, crime rates fall all around, Gun violence is still higher in the US that other first world countries. >>700692155 That's because gun laws don't work if everyone isn't involved. If I can just buy a gun in Texas and drive it to California through open borders, then its not an effective restriction. Your arguments are the problem. >>700692484 Argument is valid when you can buy a fertilizer bomb from a shop in town. >>700692526 Most gun ownership starts with legal channels, guns purchased through straw sales or stolen from legal owners. >>700692536 Thanks for proving you are not responsible enough to own a gun. >>700692654 It may surprise you to know, But its not easy to fine people gathered to just run over 84 people.
>>700694296 I don't know why people talk about 3d printing parts that much. Not only could you simply print the positive and use casting sand, but there have been weapons made and used in wars since their invention. The "Borz" comes to mind and they didn't have 3d printers back then.
I've typed this so many times since Sandy hook. It's getting tiresome. >~30,000 gun deaths in the USA every year, which is an incredibly irrelevant 0.001% of the population >of that ~30,000, ~20,000 are actually suicides and can hardly be considered violent crime. The suicide thing is an entirely different discussion >of the remaining ~10,000 the vast majority (around 75%) are committed with hand guns. >Typically cheap, low caliber, low capacity handguns (the type not a single gun control law in the past decade has been aimed at) because that's all poor gangbangers can afford >less than 400 firearm homicides per year are committed with rifles OF ALL TYPES. A staggering 0.04% of all firearm homicides and about 0.00001% of the US population
Gun control as a whole is unnecessary because gun violence is grossly over exaggerated by the media and not nearly the epidemic the federal government would have you believe
Anyone who specifically wants to ban "assault weapons" because they look scary and some statistically insignificant high profile attacks are extra retarded, as they account for the lowest percentage of firearm homicides.
>>700695119 I don't care if the populations of those countries = 1000000000, the US would still have the most mass shootings. are you a drooling retard? lol like how many mass shootings do you think happen in the UK, or Norway, or Finland? 1? 2 maybe?
>>700689326 You can type "how to make a bomb" into Google and figure out how to kill 50 people just with shit around your home. Hell, most of us have the ingredients required for making mustard gas underneath our kitchen sink right now. Are we going to fucking ban bleach and ammonia now?
>30000 shootings in the us, that's nuthin! >psh 20,000 of thuh shootin's is suicide hurrr durrrr because ah got the ME to give me ther def certificates! >duuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr de derp and guns don't a' hurt nobody, cleetus! yew give us our guns! giv 'em now da derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >da guns nevah hurt nuffin! dey didn dew nuffin'!
>>700696490 I don't give a fuck. Their fee-fees don't trump the rights of 330 million people. Bring me the Sandy hook parents, I'll tell those nigger to their faces that their children's deaths were insignificant and not a valid reason to enact stricter gun control laws
>>700696470 there never was any discourse, with you gun nuts. your kind... has never been civil. you're about as reasonable as an Islamic terrorist, as educated as a nigger gang member, and as many as the illegal Mexicans.
you're an invasive species, and you will be stopped.
>>700689326 The problem is that there are other alternatives. If someone is desperate and determined enough to kill people, they will find a way. Anders Brevik killed the majority of his victims using bombs for example. As did the Unabomber and the Oklahoma City Bomber. Or they use trucks and run over some 80 odd people. If you forbid one tool, they'll just find or make another one.
>>700696706 >who fuckin' cares how they feel! as long as ah have mah guns, I don' care how many people bury hundreds of toddlers annually, in cases of accidental death related to their guns! don'tchu touch mah guns!!111
I swear to God you liberals are going to wake up one day. I see blacks and other minority groups from the ghetto being moved into rich white-people neighborhoods where guns are going to be removed and just fucking know that you stupidasses are going to cry about this. There won't be a way to blame that on Republicans you ignorant fucks. The majority of white liberals live in white neighborhoods from middle to upper class with a select few blacks and Mexicans that have made it so far. Wait until you see what's coming from the lower class. All of the shit is going to be stolen from your homes and your wives and mothers are going to be raped, and you're going to have to say 'thank you' or you'll be just like the evil conservatives.
Phew! Glad that's out of my system. See you fags later.
>>700697236 that wasnt the argument OP is trying to make. all the japan story proves is if someone wants to commit mass murder, they will use whatever they can. although you cant argue that if a person working in that hospital did have a gun and was trained in its use, that they couldve had a oppurtunity to stop the attacker before it had gotten any worse.
Vehicles are legal, easy to get, easy to use, easy to kill the shit out of large amounts of people with. The biggest argument you can make is that vehicles provide enough of a service to society that it is worth the risk of people using them as weapons.
Also, the knife attacks that take place all the time in China are pretty brutal.
>>700697815 As somebody who did time in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US government would get its shit pushed in by US gun owners.
1 out of 3 people owns a gun, and collectively they own enough guns to arm the other 2. The military and police are not equipped to fight that kind of insurgency. We couldn't even beat a bunch of goat farmers with 50 year old guns. Although a lot of that was down to restrictive ROE and bad strategy...
>>700697815 If the 2nd amendment were to be repealed, yes, there most certainly would be civil war. You keep mentioning the victims of gun violence. This number would decrease in an event of civil war?
For someone claiming to value life very highly, you not only have a blatant disregard for human life or for unalieniable rights, but for the freedom of a nation as well.
>>700698004 nope. 30,000 gun deaths per year. since you're not bright, i'll tell you that millions of lives have been lost to guns in the US (and we're not counting the civil war here, or the revolutionary war). we're only referring to domestic, non-combat gun deaths.
millions of lives.
now I knew you'd deny it - because that's a massive number right? millions... millions of lives. lost. to guns. non-combat.
and I agree, something has to be done. it IS time to ban them.
>>700698236 Good luck fighting off somebody with a knife in hand to hand and coming out not shredded.
On the other hand, one guy with a gun would fill the knife welder full of holes. A good argument for gun ownership: it levels the playing field and empowers physically smaller, weaker people with the means to ensure their own safety.
>>700698401 and how many guns have been used to save other innocent lives? look what just happened today. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/macomb-county/2016/08/22/eastpointe-shooting/89104534/
>>700698568 That's true enough, I've always been an athlete. I wrestled, was in football, martial arts, and even a melee weapon sport. Knives are tiny as fuck, just beat his ass with a chair. Also being shredded isn't as bad as being shot, also the knife could get stuck in you and then he's fucked.
>>700689326 If you take his gun away he'll just get one from Mexico. Just like everything else in america we have the lawless third world right next door. If there is money in it those guys will be there to sell it.
Laws don't really do dick until after the fact. Making guns illegal will just add years to a shooters sentence which will likely already be like 10 life sentences anyways.
>>700693043 >real fucking fair Bitch do you think I care about fair. If I pull a 40 on a guy who brings a .22 to the party and I kill him, are the cops going to arrest me because it wasn't fair. If everybody packs heat it won't be a game of fair it'll be a bunch of people opening fire on one crazy ass dude
>>700691857 >From your cold, dead hands? That would be just fine Congratulations, you just killed more people than have ever been killed by all other causes combined in the history of the united states.
>>700697815 Yes they are because they allow me the chance to stop being one of those victims of crime. Having the means to protect yourself and your loved ones (or even random strangers if their life is in danger) is worth the "risk" of criminal use of firearms because when there are more armed people there is less armed crime. Case in point: Detroit. NONE of those firearms are legally owned but it's got the highest gun death rate. Is that a hardware problem or a social problem, you tell me. No guns allowed but they have guns anyway! SCANDAL! If only there were a law. Oh, wait...
About that ban you want...
Look at the UK. In 1989 (pre ban) there were < 100 violent handgun crimes. In 2006 - 2007 (10 years POST BAN) there were > 1000 violent handgun crimes. Right now the number is about 300 per year total. Handgun crime got so bad post ban that they had to come up with new ways of recording it.
But gun crime in the UK is dropping!
Pre ban the annual air gun crime rate was 13,000 incidents. Post ban it's <3000. This is how the stats are continually padded. A bigger spring in an air pistol is not the same as shooting someone dead with an actual hand gun.
The UK handgun ban does NOT affect air guns. The high power air guns are now and always have been classified as rifles... again, NOT COVERED by the handgun ban. Yet the handgun ban has seen these crimes go down 10,000 incidents per year... yay! Cooked stats, delicious!
You know what law doesn't stop? Crime. The violent gun crime genie is out of the bottle. But wait, crime now is lower, what happened? A police initiative to tackle gang crime began late 2007 and was very effective. It's almost as though if you want crime to stop you need effective policing to ENFORCE THE FUCKING LAW and the law itself does fuck all. Hmm...
One last thing: I usually cite sources stats from the Gun Control Network website so you know they're real. They've taken their stats pages down recently. Weird.
>>700697815 Most of those are gang bangers banging gangs or people killing themselves. Remove those demographics and compare to countries that don't have those problems = USA has a violent gun crime rate similar to Belgium. Belgium has more accessible mental health care and no ghettos. Compare like for like for true comparative representations of data.
>>700699869 Holy shit. I'm not even a gun guy but you are one scary school shooter type motherfucker. I'd say we would all be safer as long as you personally wouldn't be allowed to own guns. Damn son. I don't even think the most left politician on the planet would advocate going door to door shooting gun owners if they don't give up their property.
If you ban guns you take guns away from the extremely rare people who use them for mass killings (rifles being a minority of the weapons used in these crimes) but you also take guns away from the responsible people including the the 500,000 to 3,000,000 people who use them for self defense annually.
>>700699869 The military and police couldn't handle even 3% of the nation fighting them. They aren't going to be using drones, HELOS, carpet bombing and tanks on US soil. A decent portion of the police and military are oath keepers so they'd have an internal insurgency to add to their difficulties. Oh and people wouldn't wait at home for them to come. They'd use terrorist tactics and guerrilla warfare to target cops and soldiers.
>>700698609 >>700699192 According to the CDC guns are estimated to be used in self defense 500,000 to 3,000,000 times annually. At the very least estimates they are at least always used at the same rate they are used for crimes.
>>700692348 What % of the military do you think would turn once the order was given to outlaw all guns and to confiscate them from american citizens by force? You know before the american civil war Southern states also supplied soldiers to the federal army.
What most people don't understand is that the right to keep and bear arms is not only guaranteed to us, but it is an infallible one if you look at history. The modern gun debate focuses on ending the rights of hundreds of millions in the name of public safety. That is the only excuse anti-gun groups have that is worth even hearing out.
Now the biggest question comes down to this:
Because of the concerns and fears of those who wish safety to be the sole job of the governing body, should the rights of others who take their personal protection upon themselves be limited or dismissed?
If you're not American I can't take your opinion seriously. For those who haven't grown up here, nor seen first hand like myself what a firearm can do for someone's personal safety, it's moot even talking to you faggots.
Unless your a country full of guns already next to fucking mexico.
There's nothing that can be done about gun crime in america, and the purpose of having their guns is to form a militia if the government tries to oppress them, or to fend off insurgencies.
Also most killings are done with handguns, not semi automatic rifles. Because they're very easy to get and no matter what's done, more will come up from mexico, much like cartel actions, drugs, and human trafficking. Gun control accomplishes nothing.
Build a wall, register all firearms but don't inhibit ownership, train policemen better, and hire more, put cameras on them, and wait for black lives matter to go mental and die in a few riots, and there wont be an issue.
More prisons couldn't hurt, if incarceration rates and the law doesn't convince people that crime wont set them free, maybe letting them be free isn't going to work.
>>700702180 No, I agree with you, we should get rid of guns, they kill people.
But you're obviously a pussy, you aren't willing to go far enough. We need to get rid of everything that kills people. I'm looking at the big picture here. We have to get rid of basically all western medicine and technology if we want to stop these unnecessary deaths.
>>700702913 Nice half measures pussy. The only to really prevent all unnecessary killing is to get rid of humanity. Humans will keep killing people until they are all gone. The solution is obvious. Self inflicted annihilation
I live in Canada, trust me these savages are just as stupid as yanks.
The reason there's less gun crime is because we aren't bordered by a third world country, and firearms are heavily restricted. As a gun owner in Canada, I can tell you it's hard to get illegal firearms, mainly because they aren't streaming over our southern border at absurd rates.
>>700702723 Actually the stats from the UK show that it doesn't even outside of those qualifiers.
Pre-handgun ban the UK didn't have a gun problem. Post ban the problem is statistically worse (about three times) but the numbers are still so low (about 300 annually compared to about 100 annually pre-ban) that it's utterly insignificant.
Gun control makes gun crime worse, how that is lived out in society is dependent on the society that enacts it. In the case of the UK: no problem overall before, no overall problem after. Somewhere like Japan same thing. France, Germany, Belgium, Holland I'd expect the same. Australia is certainly in the same boat too after their ban. The USA? Fuck no. Ban guns and it'll go fucking apeshit, it already is.
Aside from that one disagreement I'm 99% in agreement with you. License owners and use a police force that's not an army.
>>700703411 >"and because firearms are heavily restricted."
bordering mexico has nothing to do with it. when felons and gangsters get guns, they're not getting them from mexico (please do your due diligence and research the issue). they're getting them from homes they've broken into.
if anything, the US is supplying mexico with firearms.
I need you to be more informed when you engage me.
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