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Thoughts?
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Boston Marathon. Is it still called punching if you use an ied?
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Drink the Kool-Aid
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>>700689326
>implying all gun crimes are ones of impulse
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>>700689326
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-japan-suspect-in-mass-stabbing-wanted-disabled-people-euthanized/2016/07/26/bb56e948-52c7-11e6-b652-315ae5d4d4dd_story.html

>Satoshi Uematsu went through the locked rooms of the care facility, where he had worked until February, and stabbed 45 people in less than an hour.
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>>700689326
I'm sorry I don't take arguments from people who simply put a line through words and think that's enough to keep me from reading them.

Also tell the Heartbreak Kid there to fuck off.
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>>700689326
>The point.
>Their head.

The U.S. didn't need a gun to wipe out two of Japan's cities. Hitler didn't need a gun to cleanse muh 6 gorillian Jews.
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>>700690388
Damn the Japanese still know how to do stab shit
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>>700689635
>implying IEDs are legal
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>>700689326
Punch? No. But there are lots of other ways...

>kek
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>>700691374
>implying mass murder is legal
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>>700690648
There were definitely guns involved there m8.
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>>700691553
when did I imply that?
retard
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>>700689326
What about the guys in Japan, who go fucking insane and stab a crazy number of people?
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>>700689326
Well he's correct. Gun nuts say "well in countries with no guns, they have as many homicides, but they just use spoons and knives and baseball bats!".

Which is patently untrue. At least in the west, where guns have been banned, homicide rates have fallen massively. So have the rates of assaults, they've plummeted.

And we will ban guns. We'll repeal the 2nd amendment, ban guns - then confiscate them. From your cold, dead hands? That would be just fine.
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>>700689326
>europe bans guns
>europe gets shot up at a concert hall
>europe gets shot up at a mall
>europe gets shot up in restaurants
>europe gets shot up in police standoffs
>UK PM gets shot in broad daylight
>europe gets bombed
>europe gets trucks slammed into its civilians

Banning firearms works. America is insane. Look at how much safer europe is.
>Merkel the Almighty will protect us while selling our people out to Islam
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>>700690388
/thread

it isnt the gun, if someone wants to commit a mass murder, they will find another way, either knife, or vehicle nice, and japan. they already proved you wrong OP
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>>700691857
The thing is homicide rates have fallen in the US as well without banning guns.
Kek
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>>700691857
california, very strict gun laws didnt stop the san bernadino killings, chicago gun laws didnt stop the 62 seperate shootings that happened last week.
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>>700691897
statistics still exist
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>>700689326
So if u take the guy away the gun is going to keep killing people then?
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>>700689326
tbh fam I'm liberal as fuck on almost everything but I don't want to take people's guns away. I have three of my own and wouldn't mind more.
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feel like holding onto your guns, or opening fire on the govt, after the gun ban?

well no problem. we have:

Spooky gunships, circling you at 5000', silent, FLIR-trained right on your heat signatures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130

We also have Apaches, hovering under the next hill over, their 25mm guns ready trained on you and your militia.

Snipers with 20mm rifles, miles away. You won't hear the shot.

A-10 gunships, ready to make gunruns on your position with depleted uranium, exploding rounds. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4

No, you won't be holding onto your guns.
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>>700692128
were guns confiscated in CA? no? then you have argument.

soon.
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>>700689326
Timothy Mcveigh killed over 140 people with a pick up and fertilizer, people who want to kill people are going to do so with or without guns
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>>700692348
>implying people won't buy guns from the blackmarket
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>>700692348
typical liberal dumb ass fool.

i have my arsenal in order to shoot filthy criminal niggers.
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>>700692348
yeah, that worked great in afghanistan and Vietnam(Republic of)
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>>700691374

Considering all of the materials to make one are legally obtainable, yes.
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>>700691374
the shit you build them out of is you fucking retard

why would you think a future bombing is caring about legality either?
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Nah, he'll hop in a truck and kill 84.
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America has more murder because niggers, period.

Every single statistic that makes America look bad
>poverty
>violence
>education
>healthcare
>obesity

Is due 100% to niggers. If you got rid of the niggers, all of those stats would be in line with the western world. We have a much higher nigger rate than everyone else. Europe is thankfully getting a taste of this by importing their own "niggers" from the middle east. Rape and violent crime is growing rapidly thanks to Muslims. Hopefully the stupid libcucks will wake up and soon and realize non-whites need to die.
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>>700690427

This.

>>700692128

This.

Banning guns will do nothing to reduce mass shootings and the like. If you want a gun, you'll find a gun.

The problem is that, in America, mass murder has become a popular way of expressing oneself.
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>>700691510
damn that does look like a pretty nice truck too. rip
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>>700689326
Attacks in Nice. Enough said
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>>700689326
no. he'l stab you 50 times with a shiv until you're just a bloody pulp on the floor. if you have a gun however and he start stabbing you, the weakest gun on the market is powerful not to destroy his internal organs for life in one shot. you win easy. if everyone have had a gun, no one would attack schools and malls because you would have to be insane to do it. someone would fucking shoot you.
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>>700691667
Alright, let's break down the logic here so you can understand. Sorry there isn't a crayon font. The OP's pic claims that without a gun, would-be mass murders would be rendered harmless. My post claimed that the bombing proved that isn't the case, since they were able to throw together an IED from supplies they were able to legally obtain. You implied my point was somehow invalid because the use of IEDs is illegal. I struggled to understand the point of this, as it has nothing to do with the argument, which is: "Can mass murder still occur without guns?" Law doesn't enter into it. Since you brought up IEDs are illegal, I assumed you must be implying that making something illegal prevents it from happening. So I pointed out that mass murder itself is illegal, and yet it clearly happens.
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>>700692348
>he doesnt realize 70% of us military personnel are gun loving republicans
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>>700691374
wait what are you implying?
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>>700692348
You're absolutely correct. You will still have to pry my guns from my cold dead hands.
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>>700692423
>where guns have been banned, homicide rates have fallen massively

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/01/murders-shootings-soar-chicago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/

you were saying?
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>>700689326
he's retarded because there is no "taking the gun away." also missing the point b/c knives and bombs and whatever else
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>>700692298
A liberal i can respect, keep shooting brother
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>>700692654
/thread
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>>700689326
"its not the gun it's the guy behind it" Bullshit, you take the gun away and what, you think he's going to...
>stab
>burn
>run-over
>strangle
>beat with blunt object

50 people to death ?
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>>700692423

All guns won't get confiscated. There will always be a way to find some. Or print them. Or build hem.
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>>700689326
i agree make all guns illegal
also make niggers illegal
then i wont have to have a gun
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>>700689326
here is the thing, guns don't change the fact, people who want to kill will find a way
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>>700692571
we're not talking about 3rd world shitholes son.

you don't have the armament that the vietmetkneeze and afghanis had. in fact the US govt armed the afghanis, and Russia armed those damn zipperheads.

no, you'll have your single-shot 30.06 or ar. true there are some who have a class 3, but most of them can't afford automatic weapons.

you will be destroyed.


BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
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>>700692816
guns weren't ever confiscated in Chicago you blithering pederast.
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>>700692742
With stabbing you can just be stronger then the guy with the knife. A gun is point and click, insta done. 1 person without a knife could stop person with a knife. 1 person without a gun dies instantly to the person with the gun. Real fucking fair
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>>700692917
so we should make it easy for such people to kill as many innocents as possible. you're right, anon, it would be immoral to try to inconvenience the murderers.
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>>700689326
>lets just take away 300million legal guns and probably another 50-100 million unregistered and black market weapons

are people really this retarded? yeah, a future mass murderer would definitely not break the law
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>>700689326
No, take the gun away and he's going to go to Lowe's and build pipe bombs that kill 50(+) people.

Friendly reminder Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people, including children, without firing a single round.
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>>700692661
libcucks will never wake up
for political libcucks its about power and position
not about liberty freedom or safety
they will vote any which way the wind blows to keep themselves in power.
but the same can be said about the other side
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>>700692881
Why aren't people printing them in the UK? In Australia?

No, the govt will confiscate them all. Try printing one. The last thing you'll hear is the police officer's Glock report... *POP!*
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>>700690388

>>Japan is a country with very little violent crime. There was only one gun death in this country of 127 million last year
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>>700693043

So long as you live where it's legally obtainable to own a gun, it's your own damn fault for coming unprepared because "hurrr I dun belive in gunz"
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>>700692851
>set off a bomb
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>>700693078
See the problem is in where protecting the people over steps into infringing on rights.
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>>700689326
Guns exist. The knowledge how to build them exist. It follows that there will always be people who have them. It's only logical to assume that some of the people in possession of guns are intending to use them to cause harm. None of this is controversial.

Why, then, is it so controversial that you want to own a gun and with that have the same power to defend yourself than someone with malicious intent has to attack you? Why would you deliberately put yourself in a position of weakness, knowing you are "playing by the rules" to defend yourself, while the opposition is not playing by the rules to attack you?
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>>700691857
>We

Feel free to be the point man on the stack going door to door to confiscate them. But we all know you're just a hand wringing faggot that won't do shit.

Also......


The 2nd amendment won't be repealed in my lifetime, faggot liberals claim rounding up 11 million illegals would be impossible but somehow think they'll be able to rid the country of 330 mil.+ legally owned guns.
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>>700692967
Remember the shitstorm that was My Lai Massacre? what do you suggest will happen when the same occurs in America?

Not to mention, if the U.S is firing on its own citizens Russia, China, or a host of other international actors will already be funding domestic resistance groups.
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>>700693190
>wants guns taken away
>but not for the government
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>>700692348
i know you're trolling but the point is that gorilla warfare is a thing.

you can't level a housing district just because two people that live there have guns. in a "government vs people" situation, the rebels will use bombs, molotovs, gas, and other insurgency tactics.

the corollary here is iraq and syria. even with military occupation and strategic bombing, we still suffer losses due to roadside bombs and suicide bombs.

if a people really believe in a cause, they will fight for it, regardless of the adversary.
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>>700693037
was i qouting that guns were confiscated? no. i proved your dumb liberal logic wrong.
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>>700691857
>homicide has dropped in the EU
remember that the EU don't want to be racist so they don't cont homicides or rapes committed by immigrants.
don't forget terrorist attacks. the EU has suffered more terrorist attacks this year as america has suffered since 9/11. terrorist think like this
>where does the mission have more success rate?
>americans will just shoot us
>we should take France. a lot of gay people there and no guns.
>good idea Shabdo
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>>700693190
NIgga the USA has a bigger population than all of those countries combined,
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>>700692967
>no, you'll have your single-shot 30.06 or ar. true there are some who have a class 3, but most of them can't afford automatic weapons.
which is why they should be freely allowed

if the Gov't can have it, the populace sure as hell should too
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>>700693043
>With stabbing you can just be stronger then the guy with the knife
bro life is not an action movie

You need to know how to disarm someone with a knife, otherwise you will must likely get fucked up really badly
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>>700689326
>punch 50 people do death.
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>>700692664
you have to remember that there are over 300 million people in the united states.
even 300 shootings a year is only .00001%
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>>700693078
might as well stop selling knives, forks, worktools, cars face it faggot if they don't have a gun they'll just take something else if they want to kill it's that fucking easy
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>>700693552
this. never ever try to fight off someone coming at you with a knife. You WILL get fucked.
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>>700693432
>gorilla warfare

DUCKS OUT FOR HARAMBE
BAN GUNS SAVE THE NIGGERS
IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT FOR INTRODUCING GUNS TO THE BLACK PEOPLES
HE DINDU NUFFIN
BLACK LIVES MATTER

And other amazing shit to distract you with.
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>>700692582
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>>700693179
I can't wait for Hillary to win.

and in 20 years... I can't wait for the gun ban.

I'll be tasting your tears, and stupid white conservatives' tears for decades - the rest of my life.

GOD I LOVE IT!
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Since we're discussing guns, and since I hate asking /k/ these casual questions because the answers are too autistic, what's a good rifle? I want something relatively inexpensive, long range, deadly, high capacity is optional but not necessary, just a good general purpose long gun. In other words I don't think I'm asking for an AR15. Something simpler.
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>>700692851
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/nice-attack-leaves-84-dead-and-france-in-shock
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>>700691897
>detroit
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>>700693190

Because the technology for gun-level 3D home printing is just now reaching consumers, dipshit.
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>>700693609
/Thread
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>wants to stop crime
>ban guns not niggers

How fucking stupid are you?
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>>700693549
yes, per your... "educated" and "intelligent" logic, let's give everyone nukes.

you god damn idiot.
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>>700693432
>gorilla warfare
That's the shit that happens in chicago every weekend.
>guerilla warfare
What you meant to say, retard.
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>>700692348
You do realize the viet kong which was a group of retarded farmers managed to beat back the use army. Right?
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>>700693822
You're asking for an AR15.

But I'd recommend you start out with an 10/22 tho
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>>700693822
whats your price range?
are you looking for a older or newer? milsurp? or something you can walk into a cabelas and buy?
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>>700693802
I can't wait to hear on the news that you got shot in a robbery by a nigger and couldn't defend yourself, because you don't want a gun, knowing your last thought was "Help me, cons, help me with your weapon and defend my faggot ass".
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>>700693549

If I had a nuke, I know what I'd do with it.
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>>700692348
Fucking retard.

Who is running that cool death machine flying above? Who is behind that scope on that sniper rifle? Who's driving the Apache copters?

It's not mudslime's or foreigners dumbass. It's US enlisted men.

Do you honestly think in an all out fall of civilization (and banning guns WILL cause all out uprisal of armed citizens in this country) that these enlisted, US citizens will open fire on their own countrymen just cause some jarhead boss tells them to to keep getting a paycheck that probably won't come or matter in the face of all out anarchy?

Most of them will refuse. Some of them may even turn those weapons you talk about right back against their superior officers. Hell, even most of the offices will probably low down their arms and join the citizenry as well.

You are a fucking idiot.
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>>700692348
>hates guns
>will use weapons that are 100x deadlier than guns to kill us
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>>700693895
nope. it reached consumers long ago. we haven't seen a spike in printed guns anywhere.
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>>700693802
i think you mistake me for a trump supporter
but hillary is still shit
you can take all the guns, mine too.
but take all the niggers with you when you go.
as long as niggers matter i will have my guns.
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>>700693895
ar15mold has been around for about a year already. CAD files for 3d printed ar lowers have been around for atleast 3 years. the problem with the 3d printed lowers is there hasnt really been a filament strong enough to withstand the repeated shock of the bolt slamming into it.
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>>700692348
A government can't kill all their people, or there would be nothing left to govern, you stupid fuck.
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>>700691953
He fucking killed them in their sleep that's a terrible example.

The truck driver from Nice is much better.
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>>700693974
>doesn't get a "gorilla warfare" joke
welcome to 4chan, newfriend
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>>700692757
Rekt.
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>>700693962
>Argumentum ad absurdum
fine.

>>700694137
Applies here as well.

YES, I do think that a law abiding American should have the right to Tactical Nuclear Weapons, Apache helicopters, and Joint Strike Fighters for that matter. If they can afford them, find an FFL that sells them, store and maintain them so they are not a hazzard to their neighbors via radiation, chemical storage, etc. Of course that would be a long way to go for self defense but why not. Seen any for sale.
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>>700693661


What I meant was, it's still relatively popular compared to other countries. It's a trend.

Even when taking into account the size of America compared to eurofag countries, it happens a lot more frequently than anywhere else.
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>>700691857
'we will ban guns and confiscate them" TOP
FUCKING
KEK
THIS ISNT NAZI GERMANY, NOBODY WOULD JUST LAY DOWN AND GIVE THEM UP LOL.

It would cause one of the biggest rebellions in history if they tried to confiscate guns in the modern day you fucking moron, and with 82 million LEGALLY armed civilians
You anti-gunners wouldn't stand a fucking chance.
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>>700689326
Are you americacs that ignorant? FFS it's not the gun that makes a choice of pulling the trigger, it's the human (or ape in most cases). Solve your social problems and all of those mass shooting will disappear.
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>>700694357
still doesnt change the fact that he himself made the choice to commit the crime. it wasnt the gun that did it. it was the person you dumbfuck
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>>700693822
A bolt action in .308 or go really cheap and get old surplus shit like a mosin nagant or k98.
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>>700689326
Only psychopaths have violent urges or think about shooting people so yeah it's the guy behind it. If you take away his gun he might go buy one illegally (very easy) and there ya go. I only use guns to play with anyway, it's fun and relaxing to shoot.
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>>700689326
>IT"S NOT THE GUN, IT'S A GUY
>IT"S NOT THE ISLAM, IT"S A TERRORIST
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>>700694204

You also haven't confiscated guns, and, no, the technology has not reached a reasonable price for the everyday consumer.

It takes a lot of money to get the kind of printer that makes the shit out of anything other than low-grade plastic.
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>>700691374
Nope they aren't. But people still have them. So what would happen if guns were illegal? Think it'd be different?
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>>700694572
Yes, most of our antigunners are stricken by an intense case of hoplophobia.
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>>700689326

>bullshit, you take the guy away and what, you think it's gonna shoot itself?
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>>700693190
US population: 360 million
Population of all the other countries on that image: 300 million

The US would have an expected percentage of 54.54% when controlling for that, so it only exceeds by 11%. Now what if we also controlled for niggers and other non whites? Then you'd have 47% fewer mass shootings. That means the US would have FAR FEWER mass shootings than those other countries.

Your image completely destroys your own claim, you fuckwit.
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>>700694466

No, but only because the kind of people who sell them don't advertise to the public.

I like you. I want a nuke.
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>>700693190
>Why aren't people printing them in the UK? In Australia
Because the black market still saturates the demand, dumdum.
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>>700694507
lel I read what you just wrote in Karl the Cuck's voice.

and picture you.... looking just like.... karl the cuck.
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>>700692757
nice post anon
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>>700695122
I can guarantee you, if there were nukes available on the market, Iran, NK and other rogue states wouldn't be bullied as hard as they are from the UN.
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>>700695119
clearly you don't understand what per capita means.

because you gun nuts are literal retards.

and you're likely some alt-right sjw, who's still in high school. no, you'll likely remain this stupid, you alt-right sjw's are 1. unemployed, and 2. uneducated, through all stages of life, as exhibited by your 'god king trump and supporters'.
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The Black Market is readily accessible, even if it is backdoored to all fuck. Banning guns is just a tax.
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>>700689635
Not everyone has the knowledge to build a bomb. Guns require no knowledge other than "pull the trigger"
>>700690648
nuclear weapons and gas chambers are already not available for sale.
>>700691963
So your thought is since they will still want to kill we should make it easier.
>>700691857
Correlation dickhead, crime rates fall all around, Gun violence is still higher in the US that other first world countries.
>>700692155
That's because gun laws don't work if everyone isn't involved. If I can just buy a gun in Texas and drive it to California through open borders, then its not an effective restriction. Your arguments are the problem.
>>700692484
Argument is valid when you can buy a fertilizer bomb from a shop in town.
>>700692526
Most gun ownership starts with legal channels, guns purchased through straw sales or stolen from legal owners.
>>700692536
Thanks for proving you are not responsible enough to own a gun.
>>700692654
It may surprise you to know, But its not easy to fine people gathered to just run over 84 people.
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>>700694296
I don't know why people talk about 3d printing parts that much. Not only could you simply print the positive and use casting sand, but there have been weapons made and used in wars since their invention. The "Borz" comes to mind and they didn't have 3d printers back then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borz
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I've typed this so many times since Sandy hook. It's getting tiresome.
>~30,000 gun deaths in the USA every year, which is an incredibly irrelevant 0.001% of the population
>of that ~30,000, ~20,000 are actually suicides and can hardly be considered violent crime. The suicide thing is an entirely different discussion
>of the remaining ~10,000 the vast majority (around 75%) are committed with hand guns.
>Typically cheap, low caliber, low capacity handguns (the type not a single gun control law in the past decade has been aimed at) because that's all poor gangbangers can afford
>less than 400 firearm homicides per year are committed with rifles OF ALL TYPES. A staggering 0.04% of all firearm homicides and about 0.00001% of the US population

Gun control as a whole is unnecessary because gun violence is grossly over exaggerated by the media and not nearly the epidemic the federal government would have you believe

Anyone who specifically wants to ban "assault weapons" because they look scary and some statistically insignificant high profile attacks are extra retarded, as they account for the lowest percentage of firearm homicides.

Tl;Dr lick my nuts fart huffers
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>>700695119
I don't care if the populations of those countries = 1000000000, the US would still have the most mass shootings. are you a drooling retard? lol like how many mass shootings do you think happen in the UK, or Norway, or Finland? 1? 2 maybe?
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>>700689326
You can type "how to make a bomb" into Google and figure out how to kill 50 people just with shit around your home. Hell, most of us have the ingredients required for making mustard gas underneath our kitchen sink right now. Are we going to fucking ban bleach and ammonia now?
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>>700695554
Where does per capita come into play?
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>>700695554
I just translated your graphic, that uses absolutes, to numbers that use the per capita, you cum gargler.
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>>700693513
More reason to ban guns. More people with guns = Higher chance that some asshole is gonna go on a rampage.
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>>700695845
So population and a heterogeneous culture does not come into play with crime statistics?
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>baww the US gun death per capita is like, 4 man! Look at all these euopleb countries with 1 and 2! The US is a fucking war zone omg

Honduras is like, fucking 30. Shut the hell up.
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>>700695784
aaaaaaand you're lying. and blocked.

>30000 shootings in the us, that's nuthin!
>psh 20,000 of thuh shootin's is suicide hurrr durrrr because ah got the ME to give me ther def certificates!
>duuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr de derp and guns don't a' hurt nobody, cleetus! yew give us our guns! giv 'em now da derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>da guns nevah hurt nuffin! dey didn dew nuffin'!
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>>700695538

I was referring to the military-industrial complex.

But that guy I responded to wants there to be nukes on the open market, not just for Iran and NK, but for all of us /b/tards, as well!

=D
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I thought you were serious until the durrrrrrrrrrs lol
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>>700696024
it was muh culture! it was muh population1!

leave our guns alooooneeeeee


You sound like a nigger gang member, who dindu nuffin. SO MANY GOD DAMN EXCUSES.
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>>700696380
So civil discourse is off the table?
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>>700695784
i'm sure the families of people who are killed in gun violence are comforted by the statistical insignificance of their loved ones' deaths.
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>>700696490
>the feelings of a minority group should be the only factor when creating legislation
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>>700696490
I don't give a fuck. Their fee-fees don't trump the rights of 330 million people. Bring me the Sandy hook parents, I'll tell those nigger to their faces that their children's deaths were insignificant and not a valid reason to enact stricter gun control laws
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>>700696490
When they are the very very small minority? Who fucking cares how they feel.
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>>700696470
He's a leftists, he doesn't have a concept of discussion, as it has been brain washed out of his conscience.
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>>700696470
there never was any discourse, with you gun nuts. your kind... has never been civil. you're about as reasonable as an Islamic terrorist, as educated as a nigger gang member, and as many as the illegal Mexicans.

you're an invasive species, and you will be stopped.
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>>700696470
>civil discourse
>on /b/
nigga is you serious?
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>>700689326
The problem is that there are other alternatives. If someone is desperate and determined enough to kill people, they will find a way. Anders Brevik killed the majority of his victims using bombs for example. As did the Unabomber and the Oklahoma City Bomber. Or they use trucks and run over some 80 odd people. If you forbid one tool, they'll just find or make another one.
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>>700696490

Didn't some of the parents in Sandy Hook make that argument?
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>>700696490
Rights>feelings

I don't give a shit what they say
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>>700696706
>who fuckin' cares how they feel! as long as ah have mah guns, I don' care how many people bury hundreds of toddlers annually, in cases of accidental death related to their guns!
don'tchu touch mah guns!!111
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>>700689326
Meh, a dude in Japan just stabbed 42 people to death. Bad people find a way.

If even one of his victims had had a firearm it might have turned put different. Or not, since he attacked a nursing home.
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It disturbs me how many libtards are apparently on /b/ now. I get the feeling that not all of these people are even trolling.
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I swear to God you liberals are going to wake up one day. I see blacks and other minority groups from the ghetto being moved into rich white-people neighborhoods where guns are going to be removed and just fucking know that you stupidasses are going to cry about this. There won't be a way to blame that on Republicans you ignorant fucks. The majority of white liberals live in white neighborhoods from middle to upper class with a select few blacks and Mexicans that have made it so far. Wait until you see what's coming from the lower class. All of the shit is going to be stolen from your homes and your wives and mothers are going to be raped, and you're going to have to say 'thank you' or you'll be just like the evil conservatives.

Phew! Glad that's out of my system. See you fags later.
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>>700691857
lmao what a fag. not saying you aren't making points but you sound like a smug faggot, nobody likes you
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>>700696869
>yer a cuck fer havin' feelin's! vote trermp!1!
>buy mor guns111!!!!!
>we'll show them damn libturds!
>cucks!!1111
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>>700696949
"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness"

Recognize these words? Oh right, you probably don't.
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>>700691667
>implying you didn't imply it
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>>700696966
he would not have killed more people if he had had access to guns?
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>>700697197
this also applies to you,
>>700697143
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>>700691857
>we're going to kill you to drive the homicide rate down
10/10
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>>700697197
so i have an inalienable right to life, and an inalienable right to have a gun, but the right to have a gun is more inalienable. makes sense.
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>>700692348
>implying at the breakout of civil war the United States wouldnt be flooded with SA-7s and 14s from Mexico

Do you even fucking try
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>>700697069
I'm smug because I'm confident, son. I'm your better. Animals like you are the laborers I've employed, to make me rich.

Enjoy your low-caste status. It doesn't get any better for.... 'your kind'. Yes, I can feel your jealousy, it's palpable. I relish it.
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>>700693661
You're right, we need to do more
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>>700697236
that wasnt the argument OP is trying to make. all the japan story proves is if someone wants to commit mass murder, they will use whatever they can. although you cant argue that if a person working in that hospital did have a gun and was trained in its use, that they couldve had a oppurtunity to stop the attacker before it had gotten any worse.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack

Vehicles are legal, easy to get, easy to use, easy to kill the shit out of large amounts of people with. The biggest argument you can make is that vehicles provide enough of a service to society that it is worth the risk of people using them as weapons.

Also, the knife attacks that take place all the time in China are pretty brutal.
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>>700697462
One does not exclude the other. Murder is illegal. Banning guns is too.

I know this is difficult, but at least try to keep more than one thought in your head at any given time.
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>>700697236
He would have killed way fewer if somebody else there had access to a gun.
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>>700697236
He killed nearly as many people with a knife as we're killed in Orlando with guns.

The biggest mass shooting in America, ever, and he nearly matched the body count with his glorious nippon steel.

So no, I don't think the body count would have been higher.
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>>700692348

suck my cock
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>>700697197
rights > the lifes lost due to gun violence?

are your rights... more important than the millions of lives that have been lost to guns in the US (millions - non-combat-related.).

I'd say when your rights infringe on lives, that lives are more important than your rights. You're literally shooting up preschools now.

It's time. The Gun Ban is overdue. You want a war over it? Fine. You'll lose.
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>>700689326
No he'll just run them over with a lorry
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>>700697462
You have the inalienable right to use a gun to shoot people whow would try to alienate your right to life with their own gun

Freedom is not safety and freedom does not guarantee safety.

If you want to live in an environment where everyone is constantly monitored, no weapons are allowed, housing, food, and healthcare are free, get arrested. Prison has everything you desire
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>>700692348
>>700697812
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>>700697815
>Millions of deaths.

That's a made up number. Homicide of all kinds has been decreasing for decades, while gun ownership has increased, you silly bitch.
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>>700697761
42 =/= 100+ victims (Orlando).

Yes, over 100 people were shot in Orlando. Over half died.

Are you implying that that knife attack is common? As common as mass shootings? Because if you're implying that, you're lying. And you're stupid. So is that what you're implying?
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>>700689326
why do people think everything is either 100% true or 100% false
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>>700697694
yet several people in this thread have said that people dying in gun violence does not matter as much as gun rights. i'm trying to iron out the inconsistencies in this whole argument
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>>700698027
killed anon. killed, not injured. way to look right past that.
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>>700698027
Knife attacks require strength and stamina, plus theres a good chance that someone strong will just be able to stop them. Can't stop a bullet, but you can break a fuckers wrist
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>>700697462
they are equally inalienable. you can't be more or less inalienable.
stop screwing logic.
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>>700697815
As somebody who did time in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US government would get its shit pushed in by US gun owners.

1 out of 3 people owns a gun, and collectively they own enough guns to arm the other 2. The military and police are not equipped to fight that kind of insurgency. We couldn't even beat a bunch of goat farmers with 50 year old guns. Although a lot of that was down to restrictive ROE and bad strategy...
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>>700698247
so they're equally inalienable, but which one is more important?
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>>700697815
If the 2nd amendment were to be repealed, yes, there most certainly would be civil war. You keep mentioning the victims of gun violence. This number would decrease in an event of civil war?

For someone claiming to value life very highly, you not only have a blatant disregard for human life or for unalieniable rights, but for the freedom of a nation as well.
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>>700698048

Preserving rights for all generations to come is more important than saving a statistically insignificant number of lives lost due to that right.

30,000 gun deaths vs 330,000,000 citizens who possess that right. 99.999% of which possess that right responsibly and will never take a life, except maybe in self defense
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>>700698004
nope. 30,000 gun deaths per year. since you're not bright, i'll tell you that millions of lives have been lost to guns in the US (and we're not counting the civil war here, or the revolutionary war). we're only referring to domestic, non-combat gun deaths.

millions of lives.

now I knew you'd deny it - because that's a massive number right? millions... millions of lives. lost. to guns. non-combat.

and I agree, something has to be done. it IS time to ban them.
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>>700697815
Time to give up your cars. Unintentional vehicular deaths make up way more deaths than gun violence, and it's not even a right.

Time to give up health care. Medical accidents kill more people than vehicular death and gun violence.

Time to give up burning coal and oil and really anything for that matter. Air pollution, on average, takes a year from everyone's life. No more electricity for the majority.
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>>700695554
>Being this retarded
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>>700698220
but you said more people were killed by the knife attacker. that's not true. you're lying.

why do gun nuts' arguments always involve a lie?

is it......... because you're defending the indefensible?
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>>700698236
Good luck fighting off somebody with a knife in hand to hand and coming out not shredded.

On the other hand, one guy with a gun would fill the knife welder full of holes. A good argument for gun ownership: it levels the playing field and empowers physically smaller, weaker people with the means to ensure their own safety.
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>>700698401
and how many guns have been used to save other innocent lives? look what just happened today.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/macomb-county/2016/08/22/eastpointe-shooting/89104534/
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>>700691857
Homicide rates include suicides. Look it up.
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>>700695747
>Guns require no knowledge other than "pull the trigger"
YOU FUCKING RETARD

YOU TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT

I'D TELL YOU TO KILL YOURSELF BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW
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>>700698401
Youre good kid... I'll give you that. What will you buy with your shill money?
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>>700698568
That's true enough, I've always been an athlete. I wrestled, was in football, martial arts, and even a melee weapon sport. Knives are tiny as fuck, just beat his ass with a chair. Also being shredded isn't as bad as being shot, also the knife could get stuck in you and then he's fucked.
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>>700689326
If you take his gun away he'll just get one from Mexico. Just like everything else in america we have the lawless third world right next door. If there is money in it those guys will be there to sell it.

Laws don't really do dick until after the fact. Making guns illegal will just add years to a shooters sentence which will likely already be like 10 life sentences anyways.
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>>700698487
ah, more lies.
>"spoons are tools too! are you gonna ban spoons! spoons can kill!
>and the cliché "are you gunna ban our cars! they kill!"

guns are intended and made, to kill.

cars are made for transportation.

but you're a liar, and you're maligning and conflating the two. like a typical, undereducated, white, conservative gun nut would do.

TRERMP 2017!111!

(sidenote: we'll have no problem killing you, during your 'civil war'.)
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>>700693043
>real fucking fair
Bitch do you think I care about fair. If I pull a 40 on a guy who brings a .22 to the party and I kill him, are the cops going to arrest me because it wasn't fair. If everybody packs heat it won't be a game of fair it'll be a bunch of people opening fire on one crazy ass dude
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>>700698401
>millions of deaths by guns
Uh huh
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>>700689326
Lets say you see a guy he just punches 50 guys to death would you not have a gun right now?
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>>700698933
>the knife could get stuck in you and then he's fucked.
you sure about that?
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>>700698978
>guns are intended, and made, to kill
What about guns created explicitly for sporting and competition purposes, loser?
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>>700691857
>From your cold, dead hands? That would be just fine
Congratulations, you just killed more people than have ever been killed by all other causes combined in the history of the united states.

You fucking two faced hypocrticial idiot.
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>>700698609
>posts 1 example.


right. not many.

that means the vast majority of the millions of gun deaths in the US have occurred needlessly.
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>>700698933
Are you fucking high? Id rather be shot
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>>700698978
How, exactly, do you plan to fight and kill 1/3 of the population of the United States?
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>>700699192
>millions
>millions
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>>700692757
>>700692757
>>700692757
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>>700699166
since those don't make up the majority of guns owned by Americans, your argument is moot.

get it, moot lol?

but no, those have virtually no place in this argument. mass shooters are going use an AR, and some handguns with high cap magazines.

not a fucking 1-shot .22/.177 target pistol, you god damn idiot.
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>>700695747
>Guns require no knowledge other than "pull the trigger"

tell that to the guy that tried to kill trump
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>At least in the west, where guns have been banned, homicide rates have fallen massively.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/01/murders-shootings-soar-chicago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/

LOL O FUCKING KAY KIDDO
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>>700699265
Nope, sober as fuck. Just saying it's way easier to avoid a knife then a bullet. They have to be close, close enough to be able to be stopped as a matter of fact.
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>>700699184
oh we haven't even begun friend. we haven't... even.... begun.

the death knell of the alt-right will be loud, sad, blood-curdling... and the nation will rejoice in your anger, and your tears.
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>>700690388
>Then, impress your friends and family with your newfound skills at a special performance they’ll be talking about long after the meal has ended!
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>>700689326

Your more likely to be killed by lightening than by a mass shooter.

Mass shootings are horrific events, but they are very isolated. They just get massive media coverage. There are hundreds of ways your more likely to die, that we don't think about to bat an eye at.
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>>700699511
That was down to a retention holster, and that he was a lib cuck
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>>700699562
But that isnt what you said. You said youd rather be sliced up than shot. I say fuck that.
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>>700699457
What about ar-15 platform rifles created explicitly from competition purposes?
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>>700699611
this is why the left is fucking terrifying
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>>700699611
Im surprised people keep feeding you, you are a really bad troll
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>>700699344
most gun owners won't put up a fight. they have families to lose.

sure, some will fight back. and die.

a civil war? lol not likely. a civil war in modern America is virtually impossible.

no, you'd have militias, and small groups of white trash racist rednecks. pretty easy to kill with A-10's and modern military weaponry.

you're outgunned son. and frankly - the rest of the country is smarter than you.
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>>700699611
I keep asking and you keep avoiding the issue.

How do you propose to disarm gun owners and what is your plan if they fight back. I want details, please. You seem smart enough to have a plan, so let's hear it...
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>>700699869
>how to troll 101
420 get
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>>700697815
Yes they are because they allow me the chance to stop being one of those victims of crime. Having the means to protect yourself and your loved ones (or even random strangers if their life is in danger) is worth the "risk" of criminal use of firearms because when there are more armed people there is less armed crime. Case in point: Detroit. NONE of those firearms are legally owned but it's got the highest gun death rate. Is that a hardware problem or a social problem, you tell me. No guns allowed but they have guns anyway! SCANDAL! If only there were a law. Oh, wait...

About that ban you want...

Look at the UK. In 1989 (pre ban) there were < 100 violent handgun crimes. In 2006 - 2007 (10 years POST BAN) there were > 1000 violent handgun crimes. Right now the number is about 300 per year total. Handgun crime got so bad post ban that they had to come up with new ways of recording it.

But gun crime in the UK is dropping!

Pre ban the annual air gun crime rate was 13,000 incidents. Post ban it's <3000. This is how the stats are continually padded. A bigger spring in an air pistol is not the same as shooting someone dead with an actual hand gun.

The UK handgun ban does NOT affect air guns. The high power air guns are now and always have been classified as rifles... again, NOT COVERED by the handgun ban. Yet the handgun ban has seen these crimes go down 10,000 incidents per year... yay! Cooked stats, delicious!

You know what law doesn't stop? Crime. The violent gun crime genie is out of the bottle. But wait, crime now is lower, what happened? A police initiative to tackle gang crime began late 2007 and was very effective. It's almost as though if you want crime to stop you need effective policing to ENFORCE THE FUCKING LAW and the law itself does fuck all. Hmm...

One last thing: I usually cite sources stats from the Gun Control Network website so you know they're real. They've taken their stats pages down recently. Weird.
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>>700698817
Apologies.
Also,
TO GET SO FUCKING MAD AT A SINGLE CONCEPT THAT YOU GO INTO FULL CAPLOCK SHITFIT AND START LOADING THOSE BANANA CLIPS FOR YOUR GLOCK
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>>700699735
>mfw "thah ar-15 was not meant to kill! it wuz meant to be a campeshun riflez! we never used it in combats in any platferm!"
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>>700699840
I know, right? He's hardly even trying to sound sincere.
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>>700693190
that's a cool chart you got there. now list the per capita number and also show me the land masses side by side
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>>700697815
Most of those are gang bangers banging gangs or people killing themselves. Remove those demographics and compare to countries that don't have those problems = USA has a violent gun crime rate similar to Belgium. Belgium has more accessible mental health care and no ghettos. Compare like for like for true comparative representations of data.
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>>700699192
yeah, one example that happened thismorning you cuck.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2470324/5-times-concealed-carry-holders-stopped-mass-shootings/
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>>700699869
I was in Afghanistan. Even with armor, and helos, and a carrier air group, we couldn't weed out all the Taliban. They kept coming back and they kept killing us.

The US government doesn't have the capability to fight an insurgency the size of the one we're talking about. Besides, most troops won't fire on civilians. Most troops are pro gun rights.

People like you would lose, and have to live in a world ruled by people like me.
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I'm getting the feeling this whole thread is just a unchanged of /k/ommandos trolling echoing other while 2 or 3 of them are too autistic to "get it"
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>>700699968
Right. Because giving away your tactical advantage to the enemy is clearly something an intelligent man would do.

Make no mistake about it. We have contingencies. And you are the enemy.
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>>700695747
Here's how to make one anon. Now your arguments invalid
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>>700699869
Holy shit. I'm not even a gun guy but you are one scary school shooter type motherfucker. I'd say we would all be safer as long as you personally wouldn't be allowed to own guns. Damn son. I don't even think the most left politician on the planet would advocate going door to door shooting gun owners if they don't give up their property.
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>>700691573
Hitler disarmed the Jewish ghettos and did most of the ethnic cleansing with gas. The guns were in the hands of the oppressors and not the oppressed.

Sound familiar?
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>>700698035
dude you just opened my fuckin eyes
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>>700700216
thanks now i'll hve that song in my head all day.
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>>700700350
That is what is happening
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>>700691857
How are you planning on taking them if you're not armed?
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>>700689635
>implying it wasnt false flag
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>>700700350
Just fuck my shit up autocorrect you stubborn bitch. Bunch of trolling each other*
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>>700689326
But if you replace the guy behind the gun with a police officer then only black guys will get shot. So clearly the guy is a factor.
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>>700694357
How about the Chinese train station machete attack then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Does this fit your narrative?
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>>700698978

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

http://m.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

Preventable medical errors kill almost half of a million Americans per year, making it the number three killer behind heart disease and cancer.
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>>700694830
Guns don't tell you to kill people. The Quaran does.
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>>700700149
>mfw your face is a gaping anus and pussy

Seems about right.
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>>700700876
My M1 Garand whispers to me at night, tells me to dig a foxhole in the back yard and kill commies.
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>>700697815
Taking away guns is impeding with lifes, too. What do you think is going to happen to the rates of robberies and such? Also illegal weapons will not go down in numbers.
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>>700699869
>Racist rednecks getting blown up with paveways

Do you really think all the bangers in Oakland and Chicago will surrender peacefully?
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>>700700343
son you were never in Afghanistan.

and let's remember, MOST armed Americans don't have the type of armament that the Taliban has.

do you understand that? it's crucial that you understand that. the Taliban was literally armed by the united states military.

you do not have that type of armament. do you have missiles? no. do you have anti-aircraft capability? no. do you have tanks? no. do you have well-regulated militia/army? no.

also, you seem to imply that American gun-owners are all combat-trained. and that's not true. a small minority of those have been in combat.

Your grasp on reality is tenuous at best. Hence.... why you support trump. and why you'll lose not only the White House, but the Great Gun Ban when it comes to pass in the next 20 years.
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>>700689326
>it's not the gun it's the guy behind it

If you ban guns you take guns away from the extremely rare people who use them for mass killings (rifles being a minority of the weapons used in these crimes) but you also take guns away from the responsible people including the the 500,000 to 3,000,000 people who use them for self defense annually.
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>>700701062
OK, admittedly the M1 does have that feature. But, aside from the M1 vs commies and perhaps the M16 & M60 vs the communist Vietnamese... guns don't tell you to kill people.

I guess the Browning M2 does have a thing against Germans, Japanese, Koreans, the Vietnamese again...

You know what, fuck it, I retract my point.
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>>700701318
kill 'em all. rednecks/racists/gang bangers/ma 13 gangs/muslim terrorists/Christian whackos/rabid jew Zionists.
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>>700701778
10/10 b8er

Some might say... a master baiter. Master baiter.
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>>700699869
The military and police couldn't handle even 3% of the nation fighting them. They aren't going to be using drones, HELOS, carpet bombing and tanks on US soil. A decent portion of the police and military are oath keepers so they'd have an internal insurgency to add to their difficulties. Oh and people wouldn't wait at home for them to come. They'd use terrorist tactics and guerrilla warfare to target cops and soldiers.

Kill your self you fascist moron
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>>700700870
because medicine = guns, amirite per your logic and "rationale"?

at least get a post-collegiate degree, if you'd like to engage in intellectual fisticuffs with me.
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>>700698035
Could you be more or less specific please?
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>>700698609
>>700699192
According to the CDC guns are estimated to be used in self defense 500,000 to 3,000,000 times annually. At the very least estimates they are at least always used at the same rate they are used for crimes.

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/IOM-NRC_Priorities-for-Research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence_2013.pdf

Pg. 15
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>>700694161
*sneezes*
Hitler
*sneezes*
Nazis
*sneezes*
Sorry, i'm allergic to bullshit
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>>700692348
What % of the military do you think would turn once the order was given to outlaw all guns and to confiscate them from american citizens by force? You know before the american civil war Southern states also supplied soldiers to the federal army.
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>>700702041
i'm one of the best. all of the troll posts thus far? mine.

ppl literally pay me to do this IRL.

>mfw if you can troll like me, you can earn in the high 6-figures shilling for anyone and anything.
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>>700691857
if we ban guns then how will we kill the niggers

right now they pretty much just kill themselves and their own kind because guns are so easy to get
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>>700692574
All of the materials to make THC are legally obtainable. Is THC legal then?
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>>700691857
Canada has just as many guns per capita. Nowhere near as many gun deaths.

Maybe the problem isnt the gun but your retarded constitution that empowers people only the way a femminist can understand.

Go suck a cock amerifat.
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>>700693194
Is a "gun death" somehow inherently worse than other types of death?
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>>700689326
K OP, LISTEN UP

What most people don't understand is that the right to keep and bear arms is not only guaranteed to us, but it is an infallible one if you look at history. The modern gun debate focuses on ending the rights of hundreds of millions in the name of public safety. That is the only excuse anti-gun groups have that is worth even hearing out.

Now the biggest question comes down to this:

Because of the concerns and fears of those who wish safety to be the sole job of the governing body, should the rights of others who take their personal protection upon themselves be limited or dismissed?

If you're not American I can't take your opinion seriously. For those who haven't grown up here, nor seen first hand like myself what a firearm can do for someone's personal safety, it's moot even talking to you faggots.
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>>700702262
oh I love these lies

>"so according to the CDC, guns are used 3 million times annually for self defense."

but that's not true. you know it's not true. the other pro-gun nuts, (uneducated/unemployed) know that's not true.

you're blocked. don't bother responding - I LITERALLY won't be able to see anymore of your posts.
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>>700702395
go away shill
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>>700695747
>Argument is valid when you can buy a fertilizer bomb from a shop in town.
you can
>YOU CAN'T BUY A FERTILIZER BOMB U HAVE TO BUY THE MATERIALS SEPERATELY LOL
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>>700694877
How the fuck are you going to confiscate my guns? Nobody even knows I have them and none of them are licensed. As far as the government is concerned, they don't exist.

Now what about the other several million people like me?
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>>700702446
Lol Wut?
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Gun control works.

Unless your a country full of guns already next to fucking mexico.

There's nothing that can be done about gun crime in america, and the purpose of having their guns is to form a militia if the government tries to oppress them, or to fend off insurgencies.

Also most killings are done with handguns, not semi automatic rifles. Because they're very easy to get and no matter what's done, more will come up from mexico, much like cartel actions, drugs, and human trafficking. Gun control accomplishes nothing.

Build a wall, register all firearms but don't inhibit ownership, train policemen better, and hire more, put cameras on them, and wait for black lives matter to go mental and die in a few riots, and there wont be an issue.

More prisons couldn't hurt, if incarceration rates and the law doesn't convince people that crime wont set them free, maybe letting them be free isn't going to work.
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>>700702723
>inb4 alt-right cuck

I'm a Marxist.
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>>700702180
No, I agree with you, we should get rid of guns, they kill people.

But you're obviously a pussy, you aren't willing to go far enough. We need to get rid of everything that kills people. I'm looking at the big picture here. We have to get rid of basically all western medicine and technology if we want to stop these unnecessary deaths.
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>>700702677
Oh so you're a troll?
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>>700702502
Canada doesn't have niggers and nigger culture.

also Canada's much, much more educated than murca.

you see, uneducated and unemployed murcans = the gun-owning, gun nut populace in the US. they're violent, stupid and unreasonable.

naturally being educated, the average Canadian won't resort to shooting someone for "looking at them strange".

Although you're the exception, you strike me as either developmentally disabled, or extremely young and naïve.
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>>700702502
>population density
>open borders for the likes of MS 13
>strong concentrations of minorities who form a permanent violent underclass

Mexico bans almost all firearms, but has much more serious problems with violence. Whole jurisdictions are cartel fiefdoms.

Insert other third world hellholes that 'ban' firearms, ensuring that anyone who gets a weapon has unrivaled power.

Suck a cock, canadafag.
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>>700702913
I have my master's and a phd. again, until you accomplish a post-collegiate degree, we have nothing to talk about.

is that quite clear.
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>>700702543
Even asking that is heresy. Report for leftist reeducation.
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>>700701778
Bro I gotta give it to you, you're good. You really get into character and commit. I'm impressed.
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>>700702913
Nice half measures pussy. The only to really prevent all unnecessary killing is to get rid of humanity. Humans will keep killing people until they are all gone. The solution is obvious. Self inflicted annihilation
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>>700703048
That's bullshit

I live in Canada, trust me these savages are just as stupid as yanks.

The reason there's less gun crime is because we aren't bordered by a third world country, and firearms are heavily restricted. As a gun owner in Canada, I can tell you it's hard to get illegal firearms, mainly because they aren't streaming over our southern border at absurd rates.
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>>700699560
the only way a gun ban works - is when guns are confiscated.

guns were never confiscated in Chicago, or any other part of the US.

your argument = DECIMATED.
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>>700702723
Actually the stats from the UK show that it doesn't even outside of those qualifiers.

Pre-handgun ban the UK didn't have a gun problem. Post ban the problem is statistically worse (about three times) but the numbers are still so low (about 300 annually compared to about 100 annually pre-ban) that it's utterly insignificant.

Gun control makes gun crime worse, how that is lived out in society is dependent on the society that enacts it. In the case of the UK: no problem overall before, no overall problem after. Somewhere like Japan same thing. France, Germany, Belgium, Holland I'd expect the same. Australia is certainly in the same boat too after their ban. The USA? Fuck no. Ban guns and it'll go fucking apeshit, it already is.

Aside from that one disagreement I'm 99% in agreement with you. License owners and use a police force that's not an army.
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>>700703191
The "Ph.D" uses incorrect punctuation, syntax, and capitalization.

Everyone pretend to be surprised. And ignore the blatant waving of credentials in lieu of argument.
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>>700703411
>"and because firearms are heavily restricted."

BINGO

bordering mexico has nothing to do with it. when felons and gangsters get guns, they're not getting them from mexico (please do your due diligence and research the issue). they're getting them from homes they've broken into.

if anything, the US is supplying mexico with firearms.

I need you to be more informed when you engage me.
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>>700703191
Was the last sentence a statement or a question? Did you learn grammar in you fancy smancy school place?
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>>700689326
That's like banning the internet because a hacker stole several peoples identities.
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>>700703411
As much as I sympathise with your sentiment without actually having lived in Detroit for a while I think your comparison of "my nigs vs your nigs" may lack substance.
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>>700703191
>I won't argue with anyone who isn't retarded
>Goes to /b/ to argue
>Can't grammar btw

I love fags who need to cling to a piece of paper in order to feel superior to others. Please don't forget to comment about your IQ score next.
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>>700702975
Just figured that out? Really?
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>>700703585
hey, I guess when you have no substantive argument, go for grammar amirite.

character-assassinate. but by all means, do NOT debate the issue. and most certainly don't argue your point with substantive, proven claims.

no, lying works best in these circumstances. trump's your role-model, he's showing you how it's done. no surprise you're following in its footsteps, i'm sure you'll win the debate.
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