What should be the punishment for pedophilia? Life in solitary? or perhaps capital punishment?
>>700582133
Ugly kids
>>700582133
I don't think paedophilia should be punished - pretty sure they didn't ask to be attracted to children
Child molesters / CP consumers should be punished obviously, jail time and all that jazz.
I'm not one for corporal or capital punishment
>>700582133
Left alone in a room with a dozen 7 year olds. Kids are fucking annoying af.
>>700582531
Perhaps we could inseminate them as punishment?
>>700582133
Life in prison, but you're afforded all the luxuries you want. Loli porn, tv, good food. Then hang out with other pedos playing Xbox and eating pizza til you all die.
>>700582728
Or we can gas the pedos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMyf_LinnHM
>>700582810
Pedopbilia in itself isn't a crime. It's a mental problem. If you act on it, you should be killed.
>>700582942
They used to say that about being gay.
>>700582937
wut a cunt
>>700582133
Castration for rape
Splintered branch up the penis for Pedro shit then dick pulled off.
>>700583212
That's what the pedophile said.
Mandatory nudering for acting on it if again, solitary for life
>>700583420
kek
>>700582133
Removal of penis and testicles on first offense.
Removal of eyes and tongue on second offense.
Guaranteed no third offense.
>>700583489
>nudering
Smh
>>700583489
>nudering
>>700583701
You assume that all pedophiles are male
>>700582133
Well now wait...
For pedophilia? There should be NO penalty.
For rape or molestation?
I would leave it to the jury or judge.
Who I am attracted to has no legal bearing.
>>700583701
How would there be a second offence? No pricky to sticky.
>>700583489
I'm for nudering lol
>>700582133
Something vulgar, glandular and emotive so the the women will give you hero poon.
>>700584133
This is true.
For cunts, carve their insides barren and sew their pussy shut and remove their tits.
One more for first time offenders, their forehead is branded with a hot iron with the uppercase letter P.
Amputation of the sexual parts of the degenerated person.
>>700582133
a cute and obedient loli for life
>>700584414
You're catching on fast, anon.
>>700582133
If you lock up all pedophiles for life, then how are Latinos gonna be able to vote Democrat?
>>700583151
Gays didn't rape kids though necessarily at least
>>700582133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK4JRMV-uTE
>>700582133
ITT: Delusional bible thumpers.
If only you lived in the real world
You love who you love. You are wired at birth for who you will be attracted to just like gays and lesbians. There's no need to punish love.
Force them to fight to the death for their freedom, but make it something crazy like 50 fight or more. Weapons can vary for different matches, then put the battles on a special site or maybe pay per view on television.
>>700582371
Best post I've ever seen
>>700585209
And you and your kind can go right into the oven where you can try to destroy flame instead of a productive and functional society and culture.
>>700585209
Hahahahah whatever helps you sleep at night
>>700585263
Much appreciated
>>700584984
Who said anything about rape?
>>700584581
found the edgemaster
>>700582133
What are we talking here OP?
Looking at naughty pictures on the internet or fucking a maternity ward to death?
>>700582942
this
>>700585451
Pedophiles are rapists. They exploit underdeveloped minds incapable of fully comprehending sex within society for their own selfish quick physical gratifications. It's no different than Cosby and his rape pills or getting a girl too drunk to say no.
>>700583151
They used to think all gays were pedos thanks to the priests. Thank god thats over!
>>700585576
>pedophile confirmed
>>700585930
Pedophiles are lovers of children. There's no place for rape.
>>700585930
No you stupid fuck.
Pedophiles are people attracted to children.
As long as they do not act on that outside of fantasy it is none of your fucking business.
One of the punishments for crimes like pedophilia, murder, and rape that I'd like to see is surgically slicing their spinal cord so they are confined to wheel chairs. They live to regret their actions and makes it harder to commit those crimes again.
>>700582133
the punishment should be death by sex with children
>>700586221
This.
The amount of times I've wanted to punch someone in the face is crazy, but I've never been arrested for assault just because I thought about punching them.
>>700585930
Take notes.
>>700586226
THis AND lock them in a room with a bunch of 5- 7 year olds alone for hours.
>>700586226
>crimes like pedophilia
It is not a crime to be a pedophile.
It is a crime to be a rapist or molester.
If some one is an anime crayolaphile I could give a shit less what they fap to,
>>700586226
Muder and rape are overt acts. Pedophilia is a state of mind. Not even close to equatable.
>>700582133
Neutering/castration - penile and testicular removal.
I fully support capital punishment. Stop wasting our money keeping these people in jail.
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>>700585988
Triggered
>>700586808
Damn str8 m8
>>700586808
What if they are recovering pedophiles?
Tho, I too am down for the death penality, granted you commited a crime.
>>700587095
>What if they are recovering pedophiles?
No secha animal, anon
>>700587095
A recovering pedophile? That would be like saying "A recovering homosexual".
Human experimentation. It furthers science and they're much more deserving of it than lab rats are. I think this should also be done to Islamists.
>>700587391
I like this one!
>>700582531
Are you a CP consumer if you watch it from the internet without commissioning it?
Are tribesmen who marry 10 year olds pedophiles? Who has the right to say what age is and isnt okay for sexual activity. The US has the highest ages of consent simply because of their puritanical uptight views on sex.
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>>700587203
You are talking to one.
At first it was a joke
Then, because bullshit was called, it escelated
Started to fap to cp
Met a girl who was molested at a young age, sex was decent
Felt bad b/c she was fucking crazy
Stopped looking at cp tho still look at little girls & think damn I wanna fuck that
>>700584266
>>Who I am attracted to has no legal bearing.probably not a tough guess as to what the would be..
>>700587657
How low should the AoC be?
10, 12, 13, when they have "enough" knoweldge?
>>700587658
>You are talking to one.
sorry recidivism rate is astronomical.anon
>>700582133
A "Devil's Island" type solution would be best. Basically put them all on an island left to fend for themselves. All of them would be rendered sterile so they couldn't reproduce and then they'd be left to survive as best they could. Escape from the island would be punishable by death and no one would ever be paroled or released.
>>700587657
Will their insides be hurt by birthing babies? Yes most likely so no it's wrong
>>700587878
Kids are curious. They mess around with each other. They try to satisfy their curiosity with anyone. I had a seven year old try to unzip my fly. In front of her parents. I had a nine year old grab my dick thru my pants.
>>700588443
Lots of little boys grab tits, girls too.. I guess it's natural but it's still annoying
>>700582133
no punishment. what should be the punishment for overly zealous retards that foist their view of victimhood and morality on the world where the only real result is ruining people's lives for the sole reason to reinforce their backwards and bigoted views of the world. seriously take stock of your life and give up in trying to make every single person on earth see the world as you do.
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>>700584581
LBGTQP all deserve equal rights. Society can no longer ignore so many people. If millions of one type of person exist it isn't weird.
Just because you aren't attracted to the same things as other people doesn't give you moral authority.
>>700588912
>Pic related
>>700588700
Dubs == truth
>>700588912
Major bait. Anon has a point though.
If we are to give every other mental illness special privileges it's only a matrer of time before more heinous shit gets regarded as "normality".
Fuck just the other day on TLC channel I saw a programming for "Transgender Kids Camp"
>>700588912
I have no problem with people who are merely attracted to children and I'm sure most people in this thread feel the same. It is after all a mental disorder. The problem is when they act upon their desires and ruin the life of a child.
Homosexuality is between two consenting adults, not a developing child.
>>700588912
Wrong
You would be the first kiddie-fucker I'd drop on the island. Maybe we could get lucky and it would have a volcano or two on it. Drop you a hundred yards off shore and if you can make it to the beach, survive the welcome committee, and not starve to death you can live out your life in a child-free environment trying to catch and farm enough to survive.
Smells like..... Justice!
>>700588912
What is "Q"?
This girl is 15.
>>700582133
bam ham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>700589608
Queer, you faggot
>>700589660
Good god mods
>>700589523
The children would be fine if not for adults who interfere with telling them how bad this thing was that they did. We demonize sex to children at a young age and then wonder why they grow up with issues. If not for this. It wouldnt be damaging.
This is a non issue. It's not like we are lacking laws against raping kids.
>>700582133
Castration...double castration.
>>700590228
I dated this girl that was getting fucked by her mom's boyfriend at around 11. Her biggest problem was that after it all came out she didn't feel traumatized. But everyone made it out like she her life was ruined.
She was fucking wild in the sack.
>>700590720
Yeah right, love to see how her adult relationships with men turn out. You're delusional.
>>700590720
Exactly its the parents and the authorities who cause all the trauma.
>>700582133
Concentration camp and the creation of a fucking crazy bloody giant kid that oversees the camp
>>700591104
no it's not, it's the confusion about what the hell it means especially if done by a authority figure
>>700591152
Noice!
>>700590228
some wise anon in here
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>>700587583
Yes, obviously.
Youre contributing to the aggregate demand and therefore encouraging producers
>>700590903
Ive been sexually active since i was about 5. Im completely normal. In a loving marriage. Because no one ever stuck their nose in and told me what a horrible thing was happening to me. I had fun.
>>700591104
No it's the sex organs going in holes too small that hurt and the confusion that someone who was to be trusted is really a self serving prick
>>700591482
sure you have anon. check back after the divorce and the psychoanalytic therapist
>>700591231
To kids it means nothing. Its fun exploration. At least til someone sticks their nose in.
>>700582133
dump em all in an active volcano by the hundreds at a time
every rapist and child molester should be killed as soon as possible
>>700590228
So you're saying being forced to strip then having an object that is unnaturally large for your vagina or anus roughly inserted into your vagina anus is no problem for the child?
Especially the anus. Remember there are many adults that feel pain when being penetrated in the anus, imagine what that's like for children.
>>700591735
>To kids it means nothing
of course it means something. if it's a parent it means they can't be trusted to control their own libido. If it's the opposite sex it may create a false idea about what relations with the opposite sex or same sex are about. You are employing rationalization to make what you want to do or have done ok. not working.
>>700591457
Not if you are just picking it up passively. That no more adds to demand than pirating a cd adds to a musicians bottom line
>>700590228
God that's fucking stupid.
We teach children children not to have sex young because they aren't responsible enough to make their own fucking decisions yet you fucking retard, not because we're a country of sexually repressed freaks.
Not to mention sex is not an act done lightly to most, let alone fucking children.
Jesus you're autistic, go outside more.
>>700591231
sex and physical contact are inherently natural, beneficial, and needed for healthy development in social species but because of a few bad apples and idiots that wish to browbeat all of society to like what they like retards try to demonize natural behavior. in the spectrum of sex with pubescent individuals there is good and bad behavior just like for adults. adults in general wish to control everything their children do though so sex with children has been manufactured as taboo. there are cases where it's legit to not want your child to fuck for sure (pregnancy for one) but the over-reaction to sex with girls and boys in puberty has gone way too far. the biggest result of it is that it fetishizes sex with teens. so you all just fucked yourselves
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>>700592034
>16 and pregnant is a TV show
Girls can get pregnant at 9-10.
>>700582133
>What should be the punishment for pedophilia?
Moar children.
Just a reminder this is an entirely modern invention that children are too delicate for sex. The entire world got on just fine for all human history until 120 years ago with nobody thinking it was wrong to have sex at 7-10.
Even in the US, the age of consent in some places was 7, within the past 120 years.
You rail on modern muslims, but in jesus' time and place girls married and fucked just as young, and jesus didn't include that on the long list of bad things.
>>700591936
Whose forcing anything. Kids are naturally curious. And why do you assume forced penetration?
>>700592257
>but the over-reaction to sex with girls and boys in pubert
thought we were talking about pedophiles. You brought puberty into it. Yes teens aren't responsible enough to be creating life, we just got through a generation of teen baby makers and look at the nonparents out there. You were not just arguing about teens but prepubs too
>>700592020
>Implying no one knows you've downloaded or seen the image
If you download something, surely theres going to be a ping for the person who shared it. That ping encourages them to continue. I know I'm probably not 100% correct on this, but there has to be a line in the sand and I think watching CP is where it should be.
>>700592474
>Girls can get pregnant at 9-10.
yes and it can destroy their reproductive and other major life-sustaining organs asshole
>>700592257
kill yourself at the opportunity subhuman.
>>700591991
Kids dont know what a libido is. They just know what they are curious about.
>>700592610
>Whose forcing anything
are you saying it doesn't happen? And since no consent, it's all forced, genius
>>700582133
Pedophilia is the mental condition of being attracted to children.
Correct response to child molesting: Throw them in prison, throw away the key.
Correct response to pedophilia: free counseling and psychiatric care, a right to privacy i counseling and psychiatric care, and right to refuse counseling and psychiatric care, free detainment on request (i.e.. them being able to admit themselves when they feel out of control, and still be able to get back out later, and not have their lives completely ruined because they chose to be responsible), etc.
Punishing mental illness doesn't seem wise or sustainable to me. We're all mentally ill to some extent and we all have the potential to hurt others.
>>700592474
What the fuck are you trying to defend here dude, biologically you're correct, but unless you're a total aspie you realize that the kid would probably die during that birth, and like other anon said have all sorts of other complications.
>>700591677
Whatever supports your belief system.
>>700592751
The effect of CP satisfying a pedophiles urges is greater than the effect of encouraging new cp (fucking NOBODY fucks kids, the most horrible crime around, just for likes. they might be more likely to record it, but not to do it)
If you're for criminalizing CP, you're saying that you would rather punish people for watching it than reduce the number of children actually abused.
You child rape supporting bitch.
>>700592874
>Kids dont know what a libido is.
exactly, when they curiously touch a penis, they don't expect the owner to shove it in their tiny hole and make them bleed.
>>700592605
people are seriously so stupid they believe that the world as has and should always and forever more look like it does the day they were born. because they are special. the world can't ever be different because it's not how they were indoctrinated into life. i hate humankind and their small minds. fuck just think a little sometimes people
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>>700593023
It's called age and life experience
There's no difference between pedos and faggots/trangenders/beastiophiles. Just mentally ill sex addicts.
The punishment should be death.
>>700592671
nah i'm talking about people that have reached puberty. i'm aware that those that are attracted to younger can use my same arguments as well to support their positions
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>>700593108
>people are seriously so stupid they believe that the world as has
No what's stupid is to insist that it MATTERS what was when you are talking present day psychology, sociology and physical development.
>>700582133
pederast should be forced to fuck children continuously until they realize how wrong fucking kids is
worked with me for smoking
>>700593513
Yes, kids today are more intelligent, better educated, more mature earlier, and have better protections against true abuse
Thus the age of consent should be even lower.
>>700593032
>Reaching this far
>2016
>>700592918
You are swallowing the idea that someone under an arbitrary age cant give consent. yet childre, initiate sexual investigations all the time. Ive had kids grab my fly. Grab my junk. Jump on top of me while naked. None of which did i ever act upon mind you.
>>700594002
Even if the hormones in their food sped up their puberty, their brains are still developing and actually adolescence has been extended not shortened in the behavioral health field
>>700582133
Honestly they should just let those people solve their own problems Palestinians, Israel,
Syria can`t Mossad the Assad with Russia helping him just leave those continents alone.
fix stuff here in the United States
Trump was on the right track of trying to ask for protection from other countries then he fucked up by saying combating ISIS who the hell cares what happens in europe.
That is why we are Building the ANTI DEFIMINATION FREE SPEECH LEAGUE
where you can call someone a faggot, a nigger a kike, a spic, a honkey, or sand nigger.
aboloshing the hate crime law that is just senseless.
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>>700594229
>investigations
just because you perceive it has sexual doesn't mean the immature child mean does. All you have is an action and you projecting your desires onto it.
>>700584266
who you're attracted to determines your net worth. if it's children you will more than likely act upon it at some point and in the usual self gratifying way and should be savagely mutilated and then exterminated for your worthlessness
>>700594229
>arbitrary age cant give consent
they have to have an age to make a law to protect the unconsenting
>>700593074
Why do you immediately go to violence? Wtf is wrong with you?
Honestly, jail time and they have to introduce themselves to a number of other inmates saying what they did
>>700590903
Well we were adults in a relationship. She seemed pretty normal to me. I had a good thing going a my job. I didn't want to move across the county with her when she landed a good gig AZ. Sometimes I wonder what if.
>>700594519
>Why do you immediately go to violence
I was talking about one of the most common sex acts, wtf are you talking about?
>>700582133
You know how when a kid gets caught smoking a parent might make them smoke a carton? Same thing should apply with pedophiles but with kids not smokes.
>>700586221
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small cock thick cunt
>>700594594
I like you
>>700593230
Ill be sure to post here on my golden anniversary. Just for you. Problem for you is. Im happy and i dont need to impress none of you motherfuckers
>>700594245
You're conflating socialization and actual capacity. That's just a continuation of the only real reason it's harmful: society has declared it so, and taught younger people they're incapable of some decisions and if they disregard that it's not only not their fault, but the other person, if not also their age, is a horrible monster and they're a victim of a horrible crime.
Learned victimhood and helplessness are the real damage, if not for those by any other metric there's nothing intrinsically harmful.
must only work and live in retirement home
>>700594802
sure hun, you drop that line!
>>700593032
That's not true you ignoramus. People make bank selling kiddy porn, kiddy porn motivates the molestation of children.
The people who have it on their computer didn't necessarily pay for it or enable it in any way. That said, enforcing a blanket ban on child porn means going after the people who have it on their computer, whether they financed it or not. And enforcing the blanket ban on child porn also makes it dangerous to create or distribute and reduces the number of children who have to be raped in front of a camera. That's why we go after the guy with CP on his computer.
You may be familiar with the economics of prohibition in addictive drugs, where demand is EXTREMELY non-elastic meaning that prohibition drives up the price, and where there is a complex international chain of distribution, with risks rolling downhilll and profits moving uphill, until the people ultimately responsible for producing drugs face very little risk and massive rewards thanks to the prohibition. Child porn doesn't work like that. The people who bare the most risk are the ones who create it, they aren't part of a protected upper class, they have to be extremely confident or sort of suicidal to publicly release evidence against themselves, and they have few ways to pass that risk off to others.
>>700594828
hahahaha fuck me dead look at this clown
ITT: Pedophile vermin out themselves to the NSA and have their information surrendered by their ISP to the FBI or InterPol.
You child raping shitstains are so stupid and desperate.
>>700594828
you don't think spawn benefits from their parents readiness to bear them?
I think they should have their dick cut off and people who look at cp should be stamped with a stamp on their forehead saying they are a pedo
>>700594410
Right. The child doesnt see it as anything wrong until someone starts telling them so. So its that person causing the trauma.
>>700594828
Kids need adults to make decisions for them. They aren't supposed to making major life (theirs and their kids etc) decisions thus that whole pesky concept of maturity.
>>700595226
good stuff, agreed and kek'd
>>700592605
That's a good thing to remind people, but it's no reason to back off on our current hatred of pedophilia.
Most of human history was a reeking pile of shit. Like, I know it's cooler to complain about the present, but the truth is that the life of the average human today is less hellish than it has ever been at any point in history.
i find it humorous that people rage about sex with girls that are 14 yet it's obvious that it happens constantly and what drives the morons over the edge is that "it's not normal". but you read about it happening all the time. it is normal and it's natural. it's just small minded losers crying that they don't get their way 100% of time just 99% of the time. it's all about control and trying to dominate people. i'm glad they get mad knowing their daughters have sex freely with whomever they wish. they sure af felt when they were that age that knew they could make those decisions on their own but all the sudden when they reach age X they totally reject those notions and become hypocrites and suddenly 14 is wayyyyy to young. lol fucking idiots
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>>700595243
>The child doesnt see it as anything wrong
of course they do when an inappropriate item is inserted inside them or breaks their hymen. The inordinate attention and I'm sure misunderstanding the poor kid thinking you are just playing with them instead of trying to diddle them.
>>700594410
Just because you perceive a child to want or need anything doesn't mean the immature child does.
Children don't have the power to consent to anything in their lives, so any action that you take towards a child is equally exploitive. You're the one projecting your desires by treating sex differently.
>>700595713
It's not consensual. Period. Nine times out of ten that teen will regret the nastiness with the old person when they finally start messing with partners their own age.
>>700595612
> life in the past was so bad
> modern society is so fucked up if only things were like they were in my parent's generation!
i bet you pick and chose between those two statements to suit your needs of the day
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>>700594988
I love how your point is that this person has been traumatized even though they say they are fine. Then you insult this person because they don't feel like the way you want them to feel. Thus proving the point that people like you are much more harmful than pedophiles.
>>700595116
You can eliminate penalties for possession while still maintaining harsh penalties for production or sales.
CP isn't like drugs at all. Can you really not distinguish between malum prohibitum and malum in se crimes?
>>700595460
Kids are permitted to make a wide range of decisions about engaging in risky activities. What makes sex more harmful than some other activities they're allowed to engage in?
Adults making the decision? So what kids should be able to fuck if an adult decides it's ok?
>>700595713
>pretentious self-justifying monologue
seriously. Do you think kids are capable of all decisions from the age of 1?
>>700585067
what is the purpose of these types of interviews? i assume this guy went to prison and served his time? whatever happened to leaving felons who have finished their sentences alone?
>>700595970
Nine out of ten statistical percentages given on /b/ are made up bullshit pulled from the ass of some ignorant anon JUST LIKE YOU.
>>700582133
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>>700594429
This nigga trying to implement precrime and he doesn't even have any psychics to work with.
>anyone who desires to do a bad thing is probably going to do it!
>I have bad desires too, but I would never admit to them, so I'm the only one who doesn't deserve to be mutilated and exterminated
>>700582133
if they just look at cp nothing but if they touch a kid they should be jailed for life.
>>700595116
Also, it's not my conclusion, it's the conclusion of serious researchers publishing in peer revewied journals.
A pedophile with CP access is less likely to actually hurt a child.
And btw, commercial CP is virtually non-existent these days. The only commercial ventures in the past 20 years have been in poor eastern european countries and basically just nude modelling.
>>700596221
Just like this one
>>700594517
Thats circular reasoning..
Theyre unconsenting because the law says so.
We made the law because they are unconsenting
>>700595923
you are reaching beyond the bounds of pragmatism here, dude. kids needs have to be anticipated or they will die in the world on their own. you have just went beyond pale to try to justify your pedo urges. Please get help
>>700595243
it's about stealing their innocence at a time they are not fully developed physically NOR mentally OR thinking like an adult to deal with it. When they become adults they will have issues because of it. For the piece of shit ped it's all about self gratification.
>>700596070
No I just have about 7 years of master classes in psychology and have worked with many adult survivors of child sexual abuse in clinical settings, you?
>>700596566
>self gratification.
Which all humans seek always.
>>700595243
christ you're a fucking idiot and obviously a piece of shit pedo. KYS and do everyone a favor.
>>700596725
>I just have
Nothing at all to offer human kind.
An Hero.
>>700596725
it took you 7 years to earn your masters?
you're an idiot. shouldn't take more than 2-3 years postgrad
>>700582133
Castrate them and return them to society. A segs drive is unnecessay in 2016.
>>700596117
>So what kids should be able to fuck if an adult decides it's ok
none
>>700596117
>What makes sex more harmful than some other activities they're allowed to engage in
Um .. pregnancy, aids etc versus what phone to purchase? They really should be learning decision making under the guidance of a guardian.
>>700596820
aww people exist that won't conform to your deeply held beliefs (uh indoctrinations) poor guy. try holding your breath for as long as you can next time to show all the world you just won't stand for it
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>>700596725
Well as long as we're making shit up and posting it, I do underwater demolitions for NASA. And only nail chick's who were fucked young.
>>700595970
Made up statistics
>>700596753
you're missing the point
it's not hard to see the pedos here, they are fucking stupid.
small thinking, probably small genitals
>>700594690
Theres more to life than just fucking. Youll learn that someday
>>700597002
Like hunting in the woods with firearms.
Like playing sports that result in permanent damage from multiple concussive injuries.
Like the potential to drown while swimming.
All of those have consequences as bad or worse than sex that wasn't forced, coerced, or manipulated, yet we treat childrens consent for those potentially life altering or ending complications as valid.
>>700596906
lol you're right. he's either lying or a failed wannabe academic
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>>700596491
>Theyre unconsenting because the law says so.
no they are unconsenting because of the science at the time of the establishment of the law about children's ability to reason and see long term ramifications of their actions.
>>700596725
I doubt if any of that were true that you would be on here berating an abuse survivor.
>>700582133
>What should be the punishment for pedophilia?
the same as wit homosexuality. If they act upon it, then kill them.
>>700587986
>recidivism rate is astronomical
Only in areas where "help" is not seeked/provided.
>>700597201
Funny I was thinking the hypocrite were even easier to spot?
Being a frigid feminist probably makes a fulfilling sex life impossible as well.
Might as well ruin everyone else chances at love and fulfillment.
>>700597347
Not berating, just urging them to correct potential causes of future unhappiness
>>700596117
The penalties for possession drastically reduce the demand for child porn. It also doesn't deter treatment in any way (the fact that we deter treatment of pedophilia, ex the fact that psychiatrists are legally obligated to report people who admit to having sexual feelings towards children, is a completely separate issue from the prohibition on child porn). Unlike with addictive drugs, where penalties for possession have little effect on demand and a great effect in deterring treatment.
Because, yes, CP isn't like drugs. That was my point. Your argument, from this angle, seems to hinge more on establishing that CP IS like drugs and that the prohibition is harmful. Because I don't see that. The war on drugs perpetuates addiction, but there is no way in which the war on child porn is perpetuating pedophilia, they're completely different.
>>700587878
Not the anon you're replying to but i'd like to say that Canada does it right, i think, with the way their aoc laws are written. Canada's aoc for relationships outside of the context of position of trust is 16. Position of trust situation it goes up to 18; meaning teachers, doctors, caretakers etc. cannot have sex with someone in their care who is under 18.
The government's website has a short page that explains that criteria and caveats. I like this a lot better than the US version as it allows underaged teens in the same age group to legally have sex with each other (which is normal) but not with adults. Correct me if i'm wrong, but as i understand the US law, kids actually can be charged with statutory rape for having sex in their own age group?
anyway, here's the Canadian law as detailed by the government.
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html
>>700582133
Punishment? Why? Pedophiles is a legitimate part of a system. Donate everything to NAMBLA.
>>700595177
Works of fiction. Only a fool would take whats written here as fact.
>>700596906
didn't say I had a masters lol
but I did work in a clinical setting with these folks and have the education in psych a psychiatrist had to have then.
>>700597556
Base on your false claims that all forms of sexual exploitation cause massive psychological harm to every victim 100 percent of the time.
>>700595460
And who decides when they are mature enough for something? You? And every child matures at exactly the same time right?
>>700582133
Chemical castration
Lots of them don't want to hurt kids
>>700596906
>you're an idiot. shouldn't take more than 2-3 years postgrad
you're an idiot to think the requirements and terminology haven't changed several times in the last 25 years
>>700597614
>Correct me if i'm wrong, but as i understand the US law, kids actually can be charged with statutory rape for having sex in their own age group?
yeah in most jurisdictions that's true and fucks people over all the time because d-d-d-duh there's zero tolerance and we made a rullleee
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>>700582133
Mind wipe... and mandatory subjection to mind wipe experiments to perfect the procedure.
>>700597096
>Made up statistics
more like a guess. you are too full of your own self-justification to be worth actually going to look the shit up. I've actually been tested on the subject matter
>>700596216
He writes books on how to molest young boys.
>>700591936
Oh yeah describe that feeling to me :o
>>700595751
There you go with foreign object insertion again. You are a sick fuck. Obsessed.
>>700598073
mind wipe to your version of morality right? there are other versions but your particular one is the correct one right?
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>>700596527
Oh no, molesting children is evil, I never said it wasn't. It's evil because it causes emotional trauma in an unacceptably high number of cases. Cause and effect, plain and simple.
But "children can't consent" is a hollow moral construct. Anyone who repeats it hasn't thought about the subject very hard.
Make a box that harnesses human energy and put the guy in a VR that allows him to live out whatever he desires while we harness energy from him for the remainder of his life (Though given such a device we would be able to prolong life indefinitely as well....) . If he does not want to go in the box he does not have but who wouldn't. (Other than the majority of the developers of such devices...)
>>700597969
This isn't true at all. And you can't site 5 states that have consent laws like that much less "most".
>>700597264
I don't agree with children doing any of this on their own but with guidance swimming for survival purposes is a good thing. can't keep them from water but they don't need to fuck to breathe so .. blah
>>700597591
Meeting that demand for CP is different: there's already enough more existing CP than someone could watch in a lifetime. So you need to talk about the demand for new CP
If there is demand, who will fill it? How many people, especially in first world countries, will rape a child for a tiny chance they'll find 1-2 global buyers for a small amount of money?
Penalties for possession are far enough removed that the relationship is weak at best. Since, again, THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL MARKET. One pedo might find one other and pay them to record videos with a child they're already raping, that's a one off.
Commercial sales are extremely rare. So rare, that the orders-of-magnitude larger issue of possession shouldn't even be talked about in the same breathe.
It is a fact that access to existing CP makes pedophiles less likely to commit crimes IRL or pay for it.
That effect is much larger than this imaginary commercial market you think there is, so at the end of the day, legalizing possession would result in less child rape.
>>700596070
Exactly my point. Its outside influences that cause the trauma through insistence that something bad happened.
>>700597432
>>recidivism rate is astronomical
actually that means it has been provided for the sake of this argument
>>700597275
>Sent from my Android phone
IT'S YOU AGAIN!
>>700598151
Oh. Okay yeah it's okay to fuck with him then. Fair play.
>>700598434
They don't NEED to do any of those dangerous activities. But they enjoy it, as they enjoy sexual exploration (have you ever been around kids? their curiosity is innate. they're curious even if an adult has never done anything inappropriate). So why should they be denied it? Should the adult that lets them be imprisoned for life like they would be for oking any kind of sex?
I'm all for extreme sanctions against things like force, manipulation, and coercion.
>>700596725
Thats just it. I dont feel i was abused. I enjoyed it. No one got into my head to tell me a horrible thing happened. Eg no one turned it into a trauma. Your patients were all influenced thru someone including you telling them that something horrible happened
>>700597926
>And every child matures at exactly the same time right?
no but by your logic we should totally disregard the law of averages and just say fuck it all lol. Got to have benchmarks , use the science of the day about the average and then work it more individually from there, like everything else with humans and behavior mod
>>700596566
>stealing their innocence
You're spitting out a silly cultural meme. One of the primary source of "issues" in adult survivors is the perception of their own lost innocence which is the stupid idea that you are repeating.
You don't actually mean "innocence", because adults are much more innocent than children. Children aren't innocent, they're shameless, they scream and kick and bite and break shit because they have not yet learned how to BE guilty or innocent. When you say "innocent" you are actually repeating the vague Christian ideal of virginity, that a person who has experienced no sexual contact is more holy, and that your first sexual experience defiles you in some way. Which is rubbish.
Honestly, I think it sould be legal to lock up people for suspicion of being a pedo. Then we shouldnt release them until they undergo a test to see if their dicks reacts to cp. If they get hard, we give them treatment, like a cyanid injection.
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Actual Pedo Here.
The important thing to understand is that we generally feel the same way about having this attraction as you would feel if you discovered that you had it. The attraction is something I was born with against my will. It was to my shock and utter disappointment to discover that my body reacted this way to children. It did not develop over time due to immoral thoughts or things like that.
I am interested in seeking out healthy relationships with females in my age range and I try to live a normal healthy life. And of course I would never in a million years try anything with a child just like you wouldn't if you found out you had this.
I think its pretty simple and extremists on both camps make it complicated.
Pedophilia = Mandatory Treatment for having a potentially dangerous psychological disorder. Medicine + Therapy whatever is most scientifically effective.
Possession of Child Pornography = Felony about 5 years of prison
Child abuse / Rape = Life in prison
Child Murder = Death Penalty
Can't everyone agree on this?
>>700599081
i didn't send that
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The ancient Egyptian people did not have a word for virgin. This concept was foreign to them. They were all fuck toys for their parents. Yet still well adjusted enough to talk aliens into building the pyramids for them.
>>700582613
>kids are fucking annoying
The pedo is annoying
Pedo fucks children as punishment
>>700598477
>That effect is much larger than this imaginary commercial market you think there is, so at the end of the day, legalizing possession would result in less child rape.
This is something that can be researched fairly easily. Japan did not criminalize possession until fairly recently (i think late 90's). If you could get access to their statistics for crimes against children pre and post that change in the law, you could check in see what kind of correlations are there. I have no idea what those numbers would indicate. Would be interesting to see.
>>700599223
liar
>>700599147
> Can't everyone agree on this?
no, fascist
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>>700598508
>outside influences that cause the trauma
or the internalizing of the event itself. or a physical threat. PTSD is not caused by societal norms
>>700599147
No.
Pedophilia = Thought crime? Not ok. No action, no crime.
Possession of CP = Legal if not paying for it or otherwise encouraging the creation of new CP. Satisfies urges of pedos leading to reduced IRL child rape.
Child abuse / Rape = Yes life in prison; but true abuse and rape only. Not all sexual activity fits.
Child murder = Death, sure.
>>700599147
No. Rape of a 5 year old child should be the end all, be all. Execution. Sure, I'll let people who get caught with CP live, but, their life as they know it is over. Mandatory 10 years prison and then parole until the day they die with random and frequent searches/visits from parole officer. Re-offend with CP? Life in prison.
>>700597002
Aids doesnt pop up out of nowhere and pregnancy is avoidable. Or didnt you learn that?
>>700598912
>So why should they be denied it?
Because these things can injure them in a way they didn't foresee because they have no concept of their own mortality?
>>700597201
Resorting to insults. Who has the small mind?
>>700599397
It has been researched, I didn't pull the idea out of my ass.
It's not an extremely large effect size, but it is statistically signficant; less kids would be hurt in real life if pedos had access to existing CP.
>>700598918
>Your patients were all influenced thru someone
no they were introduced to something they misunderstood or that hurt them emotionally or physically. I'm not saying you may not be an exception but I'm not sure you aren't just trolling either.
drinking bleach
>>700599469
I'm not saying pedo is a crime, i'm advocating making it a mental health issue like addiction to hardcore drugs
possession still increases the Demand for cp which needs to be brought down by making possession illegal.
>>700599561
Here is a good argument for letting Child rapists live, if you make the penalty for child rape be Death, then rapists have ZERO incentive not to murder their victims. A survivor is just a witness that can later testify against them. IF however you make a distinction between murder and rape then rapists might be more willing to allow their victims to escape with their life. think about it logically and without emotion
>>700599721
Things that also fit that definition:
Sports, swimming, hunting, sex with kids their own age
Sex doesn't present unique risks just because the partner is older; and presents less risks than those other activities for which consent is legally valid.
>>700599032
>they scream and kick and bite and break shit because
Because they don't have self control yet BAM!
>>700599147
Current CP laws call for far more then 5 years.
Sadly if we put every one in prison for life for child abuse and rape we'd run out of prison space real fast. And encourage the murder of victims so the abuser could get away with their crimes.
My biological father molested me when I was three. I only remember one particular time, but he made me lick his dick when he was watching me while my mom was working or something. I am 99% sure that wasn't the only time that this happened, just don't remember much else other than him being VERY present when teaching me how to stand up to pee at the toilet.
Fast forward to a couple years later, I had been sexualized far too young and had been experimenting with other kids my age. There was a boy I went to school with in Kindergarten, and I used to het him to show me his dick whenever parents were nowhere to be found. I used to try to get him to let me lick his dick and made him do the same to mine, also tried to get him to put it in my ass many times. Of course he told his mom and it made its way back to my mom, and she asked me if I had ever been touched by my bio father. I told her what I could remember and that day was the first time I had ever seen my mother cry.
There were girls my age I used to play with too, and I used to get them to take their panties off so I could see and play with their pussies. Mind you, I was very young. Like 5-7.
I went through some therapy sessions and it seemed to help. However, as I hit puberty, I was extremely turned on all the time and masturbated constantly. Women turned me on more than males, but I've always been at least maybe 20% homosexual. I never found children to be attractive, thankfully, but I realize how much of a slippery slope this could have been. What the early sexualization did do, however, is turn me into a full-on freak. I have had sex with a few males (and highly prefer receiving anal,) once with a super mega hot trans woman (m to f,) and most women I've been with know that I love the cock, but mostly only on trans chicks. I have talked several women into pegging me, and while I LOVE it all, sometimes I wish I hadn't been exposed to all of this and have "normal" tastes.
>>700587986
Complete bollocks. The vast majority of people who have those feelings towards chldren aren't going to do or get caught doing anything and so can't be included in your statistics.
I'm sorry that statistics aren't taught in public schools, it's way more important than algebra. There are some basic concepts that you need to be familiar with before you are qualified to make any sort of useful statement involving a statistic.
>>700583361
Whay did Pedro do to you? Did he not cut your grass enough? Maybe stole some of your dvds?
>>700600077
Im pretty sure i'd be easy to find funding for prisons for child abusers.
Also, ending the ridiculous war on drugs will pretty much empy American prisons.
>>700599032
>One of the primary source of "issues" in adult survivors is the perception of their own lost innocence which is the stupid idea
nice minimalization of someone's experience and mental illness. U sure do wanna fuck those kids dontcha, son?
>>700597346
So those people in europe fucking 14 year olds and the tribesman are pedophiles. Cuz there can only be one correct answer. And it must be the american one. Otherwise if 14 is legal as in europe then the american age must be wrong . Then its not science its fucking arbitrary.
ITT: we love our CP and will vigorously defend it using arguements such as:
>muh existing CP is legal
>muh CP will keep me from raping kids
>muh SJW friends say CP is harmless if it's old
Fuck pedophiles. All of them. If I ever found out that a pedophile was fantasizing about my children, I would roundly whip his/her with an 18" piece of #6 rebar until I've paralyzed every nerve south of his/her shoulders.
>>700599977
Again with this ridiculous fallacy.
Who the fuck rapes kids just for likes online? NOBODY.
At best, someone *already* raping a kid might be more likely to record it.
So the only effect left is satisfying urges, and that would result in less IRL rape.
Death by meme
>>700599090
>Actual Pedo Here.
was married to one who wanted to not be one. Got lots of help and couldn't help himself at all. It tore him up and I know it did but it didn't make any of it less heinous or preventable after a point.
>>700588700
You speak the tru tru
>>700599147
good with it
>>700599328
>well adjusted enough to talk aliens into building the pyramids for them.
they were slaves kek
>>700600031
Exactly! Which goes back to the fact that children can't consent to anything any more than they can consent to sex. And yet we still let them take risks and have experiences.
>>700600384
So you'd leave your children with the trauma of losing their father to prison, along with his financial support and love, just to hurt somebody for their thoughts?
You're a terrible father.
>>700600225
people that love sending people to prison for morality crimes never stop , sooo prisons never empty when people like you have a say. you just wish people you don't like didn't exist and it's more productive to realize there are better ways to address your grievances
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What I find hilarious / ridiculous is that a lot of the punishments suggested here are WORSE than what a murderer suffers.
So you must think being sexually attracted to children is actually worse than taking away someone's life forever. Even if pedos act on it, rape, child molestation - whatever - isn't as bad as murder.
All of you must be pro death penalty for killers judging by your reactions.
>>700600225
We can't fund new prisons for murders.
So we should just let all drug offenders go free cause what? Fuck it?
>>700600385
Are you ignoring the first part of my argument?
I said pedophilia needs to be treated as a MENTAL ILLNESS. You do not let mentally ill people keep dragging themselves deeper and deeper into their own fantasies. The idea should be to CURE pedophilia with drugs and therapy. Your controversial suggestion does NOT help cure pedophilia
You don't get Meth addicts off Meth by giving them more Meth. You got to give them group therapy and maybe less addictive drugs
>>700600785
Fuck yes we should release all drug offenders to make room for increased sentences for murderers and other violent criminals.
>>700600901
this
>>700599995
Some sports shouldn't be engaged in by children as we are finding out now about football..
swimming was already mentioned as good survival skill under guidance of responsible adult
hunting .. um no
sex with other kids, of course not. neither can consent and should be redirected.
>>700600602
Tomato, tomato
>>700582133
All of you morons do realize that if a 15 and 16 year old have sex, they're both considered child molesters? Or if two 15 year olds have sex, they're committing sex crimes? Or anyone that is underage and has sex with someone else that is underage? Let's throw all teens who have sex into a volcano. Let's all mutilate and castrate them all!
Learn the fucking law before you state your opinions.
>>700600095
I never had any sexual experiences as a child but I started having wet/horny dreams around 6 or 7, and was masturbating to orgasm with my limp dick by 8 or 9, and I basically have the same fetishes that you do.
>>700600858
Criminal penalties for simple possession isn't treating it as a mental illness.
I do like your analogy though, for this reason: Look at countries that have implemented programs that treat heroin addicts *by giving them actual heroin to inject*. These programs have been hugely successful, far moreso than methadone or suboxone, and preventing those individuals from committing other crimes, like property crimes.
Just as giving a pedophile access to existing CP makes them less likely to go to a worse extreme to satisfy that urge.
>>700600901
We aren't taking about violent criminals here. We are talking about thought crimes.
>>700600095
Thanks anon!
Solitary until their victims decide they can walk free.
>>700600785
who the fuck gives a shit if heroin addicts and meth addicts are let free?
Should bank robbers be in prison? Yes.
Should murderers be in prison? Yes.
Should muggers and burglers be in prison? Yes.
Should people who use drugs recreational be in prison? No they only harm themselves.
Should Meth and Heroin dealers be in prison? no they should be in Regulated, supervised stores where they are regularly checked to make sure their product is pure and they aren't selling or pushing their drugs onto minors. They need to be taxed, they need to bring their business under the public eye. They need to also have medical personal on hand to help both treat addicts and EDUCATE their users on the potential harmful effects of the drugs those ADULTS are choosing to partake in.
>>700600184
>Complete bollocks
Actually pretty common knowledge, read up on some Journal articles anon, not USA today
>>700600249
The word you want is marginalizing. And I'm not marginalizing anyone's feelings. Sexual contact with children causes trauma and therefor it needs to be banned, even if the real fault for that trauma lies with a stupid society passing on stupid ideas and refusing to have a healthy attitude towards sex.
>>700600858
You can't cure pedophilia though, just like you can't cure homosexuality.
It's a disorder like psychopathy. You can treat the symptoms, but you can't cure it.
>>700601121
Could be that my early sexualization had nothing to do with my current fetishes, but I tend to think that if anything, it at least accelerated the development of my tendencies. I remember that during the time when I was playing with other kids, I was constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY thinking things like, "well, I and other boys have a penis, we all have holes (as in the anus,) and girls have two holes - vagina and anus... too much coincidence, so I want to find out what happens when you put the penis into either one." It kept going like that for ages and by the time I had actual sex with a girl for the first time at age 16, vanilla sex was kind of boring to me.
>>700601101
this
>>700600249
Know I meant minimization.
>>700600746
yeah well that's the mo of retards that think prisons and punishment are the answer to things they don't individually like. eventually things go too far.
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>>700601528
When I was 8, I turned my backyard clubhouse into a kidsex den. Me and 4 other kids from the neighborhood were constantly fucking eachothers holes straight to dry orgasm. I initiated this entirely out of my own curiosity, an adult had never said or done anything even remotely inappropriate with me. We even all knew how important it was to keep this secret from adults so we didn't have to stop.
>>700600271
I'm sure it's overlapping of several things but doubtfully arbitrary.
>>700585067
>We are saying that you too are a raper!
Grammar fail
>>700582810
Like being a nazi??
>>700600649
I'd drop you like a sack of shit,
You slackjawed Bible thumper.
You can't control my thoughts.
>>700601928
That was an incomplete sentence, without punctuation. You have also failed at grammar.
>>700584133
He meant remove the child's penis and testicles from the female.
>>700601217
Therapy and Medicine are not criminal charges, there wont be any criminal record. Its a civil issue to be settled in a civil court.
As for the second part of your response I have only heard of the methadone treatment for heroin, I haven't heard of countries giving people actually heroin, but how about respecting the privacy of the victims? The harm of porn continues after the porn is made because the rape of the victim is documented until all traces of it are destroyed.
>>700601485
homosexuality isn't a mental illness. No one is harmed by being homosexuals. No one is at risk of being harmed by someone being a homosexual.
>>700582728
Not a bad idea.
It's a better life than most people on this planet.
Hell, sign me up.
>>700602040
wat
you meant that for the post i was replying to right?
>>700600746
>being sexually attracted to children is actually worse than taking away someone's life forever
NO but acting on that attraction can take away that person's soul forever. Takes away their innocence forever.
I wonder how many child sex abuse survivors kill themselves as a delayed result
>>700601766
Yeah, not saying that molestation is always the cause of these types of things, but something likely triggered you to think in that direction. Maybe something as seemingly benign as being told not to play with yourself, being naturally curious, figuring out at an early age that it felt good, and then continuing from there. That being said, what triggered it all for me was that sick fuck making me give him oral (and I suspect he penetrated my ass with something, though I don't remember if or how,) when I was three years old. My thoughts always went back to being in that room with my biological father whenever I thought about sex as a child. My curiosity picked up the rest from there.
>>700600901
THIS
>>700602209
As a child sex abuse survivor, I can say that my unorthodox sexuality (which included attraction to males and females, fantasies of being with both at the same time or forced to be a sissy for someone to cum inside of) made my teenaged years very emotionally difficult, as I couldn't relate to anyone at all.
>>700582133
I think that castration is the best option , but permanently castration, then the person would live a normal life without thoses desires.
>>700601766
Green text?
>>700600271
>14 year olds
pedophilia is specifically attraction to prepubescents, though. that's anyone yet to hit puberty - or at least show outward signs of puberty. so pretty much 11 and under.
over that age they use different terms - ephebophilia, hebephilia... distinguished by the age group you're most attracted by.
in reality it's likely most adults are capable of being sexually attracted to someone under the US legal age of consent.
>>700601387
>>700602427
That hasn't actually been shown to be effective. I get the logic behind it, but actually sexual attraction has not been shown to leave with castration. The power dynamics and curiosity behind child abuse isn't shown to decrease.
tl;dr child abusers continue to abuse because it isn't the balls causing the attraction or the rape its their minds their sociopathy
>>700602158
You have to back it up by criminal liability though or nobody would do it.
As for privacy of the victims, well that should be an entire separate issue, no? Do only children have a privacy interest in their photos? Only sexual images?
Images of people beaten or murdered?
I'd have to say that would be a civil issue against the original poster. There shouldn't be criminal liability for unconnected downloader #125262
>>700602070
well at least im not a pedo
