What should be the punishment for pedophilia? Life in solitary? or perhaps capital punishment?
I don't think paedophilia should be punished - pretty sure they didn't ask to be attracted to children
Child molesters / CP consumers should be punished obviously, jail time and all that jazz.
I'm not one for corporal or capital punishment
Well now wait...
For pedophilia? There should be NO penalty.
For rape or molestation?
I would leave it to the jury or judge.
Who I am attracted to has no legal bearing.
This is true.
For cunts, carve their insides barren and sew their pussy shut and remove their tits.
One more for first time offenders, their forehead is branded with a hot iron with the uppercase letter P.
Force them to fight to the death for their freedom, but make it something crazy like 50 fight or more. Weapons can vary for different matches, then put the battles on a special site or maybe pay per view on television.
And you and your kind can go right into the oven where you can try to destroy flame instead of a productive and functional society and culture.
Pedophiles are rapists. They exploit underdeveloped minds incapable of fully comprehending sex within society for their own selfish quick physical gratifications. It's no different than Cosby and his rape pills or getting a girl too drunk to say no.
No you stupid fuck.
Pedophiles are people attracted to children.
As long as they do not act on that outside of fantasy it is none of your fucking business.
One of the punishments for crimes like pedophilia, murder, and rape that I'd like to see is surgically slicing their spinal cord so they are confined to wheel chairs. They live to regret their actions and makes it harder to commit those crimes again.
The amount of times I've wanted to punch someone in the face is crazy, but I've never been arrested for assault just because I thought about punching them.
>crimes like pedophilia
It is not a crime to be a pedophile.
It is a crime to be a rapist or molester.
If some one is an anime crayolaphile I could give a shit less what they fap to,
Are tribesmen who marry 10 year olds pedophiles? Who has the right to say what age is and isnt okay for sexual activity. The US has the highest ages of consent simply because of their puritanical uptight views on sex.
You are talking to one.
At first it was a joke
Then, because bullshit was called, it escelated
Started to fap to cp
Met a girl who was molested at a young age, sex was decent
Felt bad b/c she was fucking crazy
Stopped looking at cp tho still look at little girls & think damn I wanna fuck that
A "Devil's Island" type solution would be best. Basically put them all on an island left to fend for themselves. All of them would be rendered sterile so they couldn't reproduce and then they'd be left to survive as best they could. Escape from the island would be punishable by death and no one would ever be paroled or released.
Kids are curious. They mess around with each other. They try to satisfy their curiosity with anyone. I had a seven year old try to unzip my fly. In front of her parents. I had a nine year old grab my dick thru my pants.
no punishment. what should be the punishment for overly zealous retards that foist their view of victimhood and morality on the world where the only real result is ruining people's lives for the sole reason to reinforce their backwards and bigoted views of the world. seriously take stock of your life and give up in trying to make every single person on earth see the world as you do.
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LBGTQP all deserve equal rights. Society can no longer ignore so many people. If millions of one type of person exist it isn't weird.
Just because you aren't attracted to the same things as other people doesn't give you moral authority.
Major bait. Anon has a point though.
If we are to give every other mental illness special privileges it's only a matrer of time before more heinous shit gets regarded as "normality".
Fuck just the other day on TLC channel I saw a programming for "Transgender Kids Camp"
I have no problem with people who are merely attracted to children and I'm sure most people in this thread feel the same. It is after all a mental disorder. The problem is when they act upon their desires and ruin the life of a child.
Homosexuality is between two consenting adults, not a developing child.
You would be the first kiddie-fucker I'd drop on the island. Maybe we could get lucky and it would have a volcano or two on it. Drop you a hundred yards off shore and if you can make it to the beach, survive the welcome committee, and not starve to death you can live out your life in a child-free environment trying to catch and farm enough to survive.
Smells like..... Justice!
The children would be fine if not for adults who interfere with telling them how bad this thing was that they did. We demonize sex to children at a young age and then wonder why they grow up with issues. If not for this. It wouldnt be damaging.
I dated this girl that was getting fucked by her mom's boyfriend at around 11. Her biggest problem was that after it all came out she didn't feel traumatized. But everyone made it out like she her life was ruined.
She was fucking wild in the sack.
Ive been sexually active since i was about 5. Im completely normal. In a loving marriage. Because no one ever stuck their nose in and told me what a horrible thing was happening to me. I had fun.
So you're saying being forced to strip then having an object that is unnaturally large for your vagina or anus roughly inserted into your vagina anus is no problem for the child?
Especially the anus. Remember there are many adults that feel pain when being penetrated in the anus, imagine what that's like for children.
>To kids it means nothing
of course it means something. if it's a parent it means they can't be trusted to control their own libido. If it's the opposite sex it may create a false idea about what relations with the opposite sex or same sex are about. You are employing rationalization to make what you want to do or have done ok. not working.
God that's fucking stupid.
We teach children children not to have sex young because they aren't responsible enough to make their own fucking decisions yet you fucking retard, not because we're a country of sexually repressed freaks.
Not to mention sex is not an act done lightly to most, let alone fucking children.
Jesus you're autistic, go outside more.
sex and physical contact are inherently natural, beneficial, and needed for healthy development in social species but because of a few bad apples and idiots that wish to browbeat all of society to like what they like retards try to demonize natural behavior. in the spectrum of sex with pubescent individuals there is good and bad behavior just like for adults. adults in general wish to control everything their children do though so sex with children has been manufactured as taboo. there are cases where it's legit to not want your child to fuck for sure (pregnancy for one) but the over-reaction to sex with girls and boys in puberty has gone way too far. the biggest result of it is that it fetishizes sex with teens. so you all just fucked yourselves
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Just a reminder this is an entirely modern invention that children are too delicate for sex. The entire world got on just fine for all human history until 120 years ago with nobody thinking it was wrong to have sex at 7-10.
Even in the US, the age of consent in some places was 7, within the past 120 years.
You rail on modern muslims, but in jesus' time and place girls married and fucked just as young, and jesus didn't include that on the long list of bad things.
>but the over-reaction to sex with girls and boys in pubert
thought we were talking about pedophiles. You brought puberty into it. Yes teens aren't responsible enough to be creating life, we just got through a generation of teen baby makers and look at the nonparents out there. You were not just arguing about teens but prepubs too
>Implying no one knows you've downloaded or seen the image
If you download something, surely theres going to be a ping for the person who shared it. That ping encourages them to continue. I know I'm probably not 100% correct on this, but there has to be a line in the sand and I think watching CP is where it should be.
Pedophilia is the mental condition of being attracted to children.
Correct response to child molesting: Throw them in prison, throw away the key.
Correct response to pedophilia: free counseling and psychiatric care, a right to privacy i counseling and psychiatric care, and right to refuse counseling and psychiatric care, free detainment on request (i.e.. them being able to admit themselves when they feel out of control, and still be able to get back out later, and not have their lives completely ruined because they chose to be responsible), etc.
Punishing mental illness doesn't seem wise or sustainable to me. We're all mentally ill to some extent and we all have the potential to hurt others.
What the fuck are you trying to defend here dude, biologically you're correct, but unless you're a total aspie you realize that the kid would probably die during that birth, and like other anon said have all sorts of other complications.
The effect of CP satisfying a pedophiles urges is greater than the effect of encouraging new cp (fucking NOBODY fucks kids, the most horrible crime around, just for likes. they might be more likely to record it, but not to do it)
If you're for criminalizing CP, you're saying that you would rather punish people for watching it than reduce the number of children actually abused.
You child rape supporting bitch.
people are seriously so stupid they believe that the world as has and should always and forever more look like it does the day they were born. because they are special. the world can't ever be different because it's not how they were indoctrinated into life. i hate humankind and their small minds. fuck just think a little sometimes people
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nah i'm talking about people that have reached puberty. i'm aware that those that are attracted to younger can use my same arguments as well to support their positions
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>people are seriously so stupid they believe that the world as has
No what's stupid is to insist that it MATTERS what was when you are talking present day psychology, sociology and physical development.
You are swallowing the idea that someone under an arbitrary age cant give consent. yet childre, initiate sexual investigations all the time. Ive had kids grab my fly. Grab my junk. Jump on top of me while naked. None of which did i ever act upon mind you.
Even if the hormones in their food sped up their puberty, their brains are still developing and actually adolescence has been extended not shortened in the behavioral health field
Honestly they should just let those people solve their own problems Palestinians, Israel,
Syria can`t Mossad the Assad with Russia helping him just leave those continents alone.
fix stuff here in the United States
Trump was on the right track of trying to ask for protection from other countries then he fucked up by saying combating ISIS who the hell cares what happens in europe.
That is why we are Building the ANTI DEFIMINATION FREE SPEECH LEAGUE
where you can call someone a faggot, a nigger a kike, a spic, a honkey, or sand nigger.
aboloshing the hate crime law that is just senseless.
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who you're attracted to determines your net worth. if it's children you will more than likely act upon it at some point and in the usual self gratifying way and should be savagely mutilated and then exterminated for your worthlessness
Well we were adults in a relationship. She seemed pretty normal to me. I had a good thing going a my job. I didn't want to move across the county with her when she landed a good gig AZ. Sometimes I wonder what if.
You're conflating socialization and actual capacity. That's just a continuation of the only real reason it's harmful: society has declared it so, and taught younger people they're incapable of some decisions and if they disregard that it's not only not their fault, but the other person, if not also their age, is a horrible monster and they're a victim of a horrible crime.
Learned victimhood and helplessness are the real damage, if not for those by any other metric there's nothing intrinsically harmful.
That's not true you ignoramus. People make bank selling kiddy porn, kiddy porn motivates the molestation of children.
The people who have it on their computer didn't necessarily pay for it or enable it in any way. That said, enforcing a blanket ban on child porn means going after the people who have it on their computer, whether they financed it or not. And enforcing the blanket ban on child porn also makes it dangerous to create or distribute and reduces the number of children who have to be raped in front of a camera. That's why we go after the guy with CP on his computer.
You may be familiar with the economics of prohibition in addictive drugs, where demand is EXTREMELY non-elastic meaning that prohibition drives up the price, and where there is a complex international chain of distribution, with risks rolling downhilll and profits moving uphill, until the people ultimately responsible for producing drugs face very little risk and massive rewards thanks to the prohibition. Child porn doesn't work like that. The people who bare the most risk are the ones who create it, they aren't part of a protected upper class, they have to be extremely confident or sort of suicidal to publicly release evidence against themselves, and they have few ways to pass that risk off to others.
ITT: Pedophile vermin out themselves to the NSA and have their information surrendered by their ISP to the FBI or InterPol.
You child raping shitstains are so stupid and desperate.
That's a good thing to remind people, but it's no reason to back off on our current hatred of pedophilia.
Most of human history was a reeking pile of shit. Like, I know it's cooler to complain about the present, but the truth is that the life of the average human today is less hellish than it has ever been at any point in history.
i find it humorous that people rage about sex with girls that are 14 yet it's obvious that it happens constantly and what drives the morons over the edge is that "it's not normal". but you read about it happening all the time. it is normal and it's natural. it's just small minded losers crying that they don't get their way 100% of time just 99% of the time. it's all about control and trying to dominate people. i'm glad they get mad knowing their daughters have sex freely with whomever they wish. they sure af felt when they were that age that knew they could make those decisions on their own but all the sudden when they reach age X they totally reject those notions and become hypocrites and suddenly 14 is wayyyyy to young. lol fucking idiots
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>The child doesnt see it as anything wrong
of course they do when an inappropriate item is inserted inside them or breaks their hymen. The inordinate attention and I'm sure misunderstanding the poor kid thinking you are just playing with them instead of trying to diddle them.
Just because you perceive a child to want or need anything doesn't mean the immature child does.
Children don't have the power to consent to anything in their lives, so any action that you take towards a child is equally exploitive. You're the one projecting your desires by treating sex differently.
> life in the past was so bad
> modern society is so fucked up if only things were like they were in my parent's generation!
i bet you pick and chose between those two statements to suit your needs of the day
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I love how your point is that this person has been traumatized even though they say they are fine. Then you insult this person because they don't feel like the way you want them to feel. Thus proving the point that people like you are much more harmful than pedophiles.
You can eliminate penalties for possession while still maintaining harsh penalties for production or sales.
CP isn't like drugs at all. Can you really not distinguish between malum prohibitum and malum in se crimes?
Kids are permitted to make a wide range of decisions about engaging in risky activities. What makes sex more harmful than some other activities they're allowed to engage in?
Adults making the decision? So what kids should be able to fuck if an adult decides it's ok?
what is the purpose of these types of interviews? i assume this guy went to prison and served his time? whatever happened to leaving felons who have finished their sentences alone?
This nigga trying to implement precrime and he doesn't even have any psychics to work with.
>anyone who desires to do a bad thing is probably going to do it!
>I have bad desires too, but I would never admit to them, so I'm the only one who doesn't deserve to be mutilated and exterminated
Also, it's not my conclusion, it's the conclusion of serious researchers publishing in peer revewied journals.
A pedophile with CP access is less likely to actually hurt a child.
And btw, commercial CP is virtually non-existent these days. The only commercial ventures in the past 20 years have been in poor eastern european countries and basically just nude modelling.
you are reaching beyond the bounds of pragmatism here, dude. kids needs have to be anticipated or they will die in the world on their own. you have just went beyond pale to try to justify your pedo urges. Please get help
it's about stealing their innocence at a time they are not fully developed physically NOR mentally OR thinking like an adult to deal with it. When they become adults they will have issues because of it. For the piece of shit ped it's all about self gratification.
>So what kids should be able to fuck if an adult decides it's ok
>What makes sex more harmful than some other activities they're allowed to engage in
Um .. pregnancy, aids etc versus what phone to purchase? They really should be learning decision making under the guidance of a guardian.
aww people exist that won't conform to your deeply held beliefs (uh indoctrinations) poor guy. try holding your breath for as long as you can next time to show all the world you just won't stand for it
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Like hunting in the woods with firearms.
Like playing sports that result in permanent damage from multiple concussive injuries.
Like the potential to drown while swimming.
All of those have consequences as bad or worse than sex that wasn't forced, coerced, or manipulated, yet we treat childrens consent for those potentially life altering or ending complications as valid.
>Theyre unconsenting because the law says so.
no they are unconsenting because of the science at the time of the establishment of the law about children's ability to reason and see long term ramifications of their actions.
Funny I was thinking the hypocrite were even easier to spot?
Being a frigid feminist probably makes a fulfilling sex life impossible as well.
Might as well ruin everyone else chances at love and fulfillment.
The penalties for possession drastically reduce the demand for child porn. It also doesn't deter treatment in any way (the fact that we deter treatment of pedophilia, ex the fact that psychiatrists are legally obligated to report people who admit to having sexual feelings towards children, is a completely separate issue from the prohibition on child porn). Unlike with addictive drugs, where penalties for possession have little effect on demand and a great effect in deterring treatment.
Because, yes, CP isn't like drugs. That was my point. Your argument, from this angle, seems to hinge more on establishing that CP IS like drugs and that the prohibition is harmful. Because I don't see that. The war on drugs perpetuates addiction, but there is no way in which the war on child porn is perpetuating pedophilia, they're completely different.
Not the anon you're replying to but i'd like to say that Canada does it right, i think, with the way their aoc laws are written. Canada's aoc for relationships outside of the context of position of trust is 16. Position of trust situation it goes up to 18; meaning teachers, doctors, caretakers etc. cannot have sex with someone in their care who is under 18.
The government's website has a short page that explains that criteria and caveats. I like this a lot better than the US version as it allows underaged teens in the same age group to legally have sex with each other (which is normal) but not with adults. Correct me if i'm wrong, but as i understand the US law, kids actually can be charged with statutory rape for having sex in their own age group?
anyway, here's the Canadian law as detailed by the government.
>Correct me if i'm wrong, but as i understand the US law, kids actually can be charged with statutory rape for having sex in their own age group?
yeah in most jurisdictions that's true and fucks people over all the time because d-d-d-duh there's zero tolerance and we made a rullleee
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>Made up statistics
more like a guess. you are too full of your own self-justification to be worth actually going to look the shit up. I've actually been tested on the subject matter
He writes books on how to molest young boys.
Oh no, molesting children is evil, I never said it wasn't. It's evil because it causes emotional trauma in an unacceptably high number of cases. Cause and effect, plain and simple.
But "children can't consent" is a hollow moral construct. Anyone who repeats it hasn't thought about the subject very hard.
Make a box that harnesses human energy and put the guy in a VR that allows him to live out whatever he desires while we harness energy from him for the remainder of his life (Though given such a device we would be able to prolong life indefinitely as well....) . If he does not want to go in the box he does not have but who wouldn't. (Other than the majority of the developers of such devices...)
I don't agree with children doing any of this on their own but with guidance swimming for survival purposes is a good thing. can't keep them from water but they don't need to fuck to breathe so .. blah
Meeting that demand for CP is different: there's already enough more existing CP than someone could watch in a lifetime. So you need to talk about the demand for new CP
If there is demand, who will fill it? How many people, especially in first world countries, will rape a child for a tiny chance they'll find 1-2 global buyers for a small amount of money?
Penalties for possession are far enough removed that the relationship is weak at best. Since, again, THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL MARKET. One pedo might find one other and pay them to record videos with a child they're already raping, that's a one off.
Commercial sales are extremely rare. So rare, that the orders-of-magnitude larger issue of possession shouldn't even be talked about in the same breathe.
It is a fact that access to existing CP makes pedophiles less likely to commit crimes IRL or pay for it.
That effect is much larger than this imaginary commercial market you think there is, so at the end of the day, legalizing possession would result in less child rape.
They don't NEED to do any of those dangerous activities. But they enjoy it, as they enjoy sexual exploration (have you ever been around kids? their curiosity is innate. they're curious even if an adult has never done anything inappropriate). So why should they be denied it? Should the adult that lets them be imprisoned for life like they would be for oking any kind of sex?
I'm all for extreme sanctions against things like force, manipulation, and coercion.
Thats just it. I dont feel i was abused. I enjoyed it. No one got into my head to tell me a horrible thing happened. Eg no one turned it into a trauma. Your patients were all influenced thru someone including you telling them that something horrible happened
>And every child matures at exactly the same time right?
no but by your logic we should totally disregard the law of averages and just say fuck it all lol. Got to have benchmarks , use the science of the day about the average and then work it more individually from there, like everything else with humans and behavior mod
>stealing their innocence
You're spitting out a silly cultural meme. One of the primary source of "issues" in adult survivors is the perception of their own lost innocence which is the stupid idea that you are repeating.
You don't actually mean "innocence", because adults are much more innocent than children. Children aren't innocent, they're shameless, they scream and kick and bite and break shit because they have not yet learned how to BE guilty or innocent. When you say "innocent" you are actually repeating the vague Christian ideal of virginity, that a person who has experienced no sexual contact is more holy, and that your first sexual experience defiles you in some way. Which is rubbish.
Honestly, I think it sould be legal to lock up people for suspicion of being a pedo. Then we shouldnt release them until they undergo a test to see if their dicks reacts to cp. If they get hard, we give them treatment, like a cyanid injection.
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Actual Pedo Here.
The important thing to understand is that we generally feel the same way about having this attraction as you would feel if you discovered that you had it. The attraction is something I was born with against my will. It was to my shock and utter disappointment to discover that my body reacted this way to children. It did not develop over time due to immoral thoughts or things like that.
I am interested in seeking out healthy relationships with females in my age range and I try to live a normal healthy life. And of course I would never in a million years try anything with a child just like you wouldn't if you found out you had this.
I think its pretty simple and extremists on both camps make it complicated.
Pedophilia = Mandatory Treatment for having a potentially dangerous psychological disorder. Medicine + Therapy whatever is most scientifically effective.
Possession of Child Pornography = Felony about 5 years of prison
Child abuse / Rape = Life in prison
Child Murder = Death Penalty
Can't everyone agree on this?
The ancient Egyptian people did not have a word for virgin. This concept was foreign to them. They were all fuck toys for their parents. Yet still well adjusted enough to talk aliens into building the pyramids for them.
>That effect is much larger than this imaginary commercial market you think there is, so at the end of the day, legalizing possession would result in less child rape.
This is something that can be researched fairly easily. Japan did not criminalize possession until fairly recently (i think late 90's). If you could get access to their statistics for crimes against children pre and post that change in the law, you could check in see what kind of correlations are there. I have no idea what those numbers would indicate. Would be interesting to see.
Pedophilia = Thought crime? Not ok. No action, no crime.
Possession of CP = Legal if not paying for it or otherwise encouraging the creation of new CP. Satisfies urges of pedos leading to reduced IRL child rape.
Child abuse / Rape = Yes life in prison; but true abuse and rape only. Not all sexual activity fits.
Child murder = Death, sure.
No. Rape of a 5 year old child should be the end all, be all. Execution. Sure, I'll let people who get caught with CP live, but, their life as they know it is over. Mandatory 10 years prison and then parole until the day they die with random and frequent searches/visits from parole officer. Re-offend with CP? Life in prison.
It has been researched, I didn't pull the idea out of my ass.
It's not an extremely large effect size, but it is statistically signficant; less kids would be hurt in real life if pedos had access to existing CP.
>Your patients were all influenced thru someone
no they were introduced to something they misunderstood or that hurt them emotionally or physically. I'm not saying you may not be an exception but I'm not sure you aren't just trolling either.
I'm not saying pedo is a crime, i'm advocating making it a mental health issue like addiction to hardcore drugs
possession still increases the Demand for cp which needs to be brought down by making possession illegal.
Here is a good argument for letting Child rapists live, if you make the penalty for child rape be Death, then rapists have ZERO incentive not to murder their victims. A survivor is just a witness that can later testify against them. IF however you make a distinction between murder and rape then rapists might be more willing to allow their victims to escape with their life. think about it logically and without emotion
Things that also fit that definition:
Sports, swimming, hunting, sex with kids their own age
Sex doesn't present unique risks just because the partner is older; and presents less risks than those other activities for which consent is legally valid.
Current CP laws call for far more then 5 years.
Sadly if we put every one in prison for life for child abuse and rape we'd run out of prison space real fast. And encourage the murder of victims so the abuser could get away with their crimes.
My biological father molested me when I was three. I only remember one particular time, but he made me lick his dick when he was watching me while my mom was working or something. I am 99% sure that wasn't the only time that this happened, just don't remember much else other than him being VERY present when teaching me how to stand up to pee at the toilet.
Fast forward to a couple years later, I had been sexualized far too young and had been experimenting with other kids my age. There was a boy I went to school with in Kindergarten, and I used to het him to show me his dick whenever parents were nowhere to be found. I used to try to get him to let me lick his dick and made him do the same to mine, also tried to get him to put it in my ass many times. Of course he told his mom and it made its way back to my mom, and she asked me if I had ever been touched by my bio father. I told her what I could remember and that day was the first time I had ever seen my mother cry.
There were girls my age I used to play with too, and I used to get them to take their panties off so I could see and play with their pussies. Mind you, I was very young. Like 5-7.
I went through some therapy sessions and it seemed to help. However, as I hit puberty, I was extremely turned on all the time and masturbated constantly. Women turned me on more than males, but I've always been at least maybe 20% homosexual. I never found children to be attractive, thankfully, but I realize how much of a slippery slope this could have been. What the early sexualization did do, however, is turn me into a full-on freak. I have had sex with a few males (and highly prefer receiving anal,) once with a super mega hot trans woman (m to f,) and most women I've been with know that I love the cock, but mostly only on trans chicks. I have talked several women into pegging me, and while I LOVE it all, sometimes I wish I hadn't been exposed to all of this and have "normal" tastes.
Complete bollocks. The vast majority of people who have those feelings towards chldren aren't going to do or get caught doing anything and so can't be included in your statistics.
I'm sorry that statistics aren't taught in public schools, it's way more important than algebra. There are some basic concepts that you need to be familiar with before you are qualified to make any sort of useful statement involving a statistic.
>One of the primary source of "issues" in adult survivors is the perception of their own lost innocence which is the stupid idea
nice minimalization of someone's experience and mental illness. U sure do wanna fuck those kids dontcha, son?
So those people in europe fucking 14 year olds and the tribesman are pedophiles. Cuz there can only be one correct answer. And it must be the american one. Otherwise if 14 is legal as in europe then the american age must be wrong . Then its not science its fucking arbitrary.
ITT: we love our CP and will vigorously defend it using arguements such as:
>muh existing CP is legal
>muh CP will keep me from raping kids
>muh SJW friends say CP is harmless if it's old
Fuck pedophiles. All of them. If I ever found out that a pedophile was fantasizing about my children, I would roundly whip his/her with an 18" piece of #6 rebar until I've paralyzed every nerve south of his/her shoulders.
Again with this ridiculous fallacy.
Who the fuck rapes kids just for likes online? NOBODY.
At best, someone *already* raping a kid might be more likely to record it.
So the only effect left is satisfying urges, and that would result in less IRL rape.
>Actual Pedo Here.
was married to one who wanted to not be one. Got lots of help and couldn't help himself at all. It tore him up and I know it did but it didn't make any of it less heinous or preventable after a point.
So you'd leave your children with the trauma of losing their father to prison, along with his financial support and love, just to hurt somebody for their thoughts?
You're a terrible father.
people that love sending people to prison for morality crimes never stop , sooo prisons never empty when people like you have a say. you just wish people you don't like didn't exist and it's more productive to realize there are better ways to address your grievances
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What I find hilarious / ridiculous is that a lot of the punishments suggested here are WORSE than what a murderer suffers.
So you must think being sexually attracted to children is actually worse than taking away someone's life forever. Even if pedos act on it, rape, child molestation - whatever - isn't as bad as murder.
All of you must be pro death penalty for killers judging by your reactions.
Are you ignoring the first part of my argument?
I said pedophilia needs to be treated as a MENTAL ILLNESS. You do not let mentally ill people keep dragging themselves deeper and deeper into their own fantasies. The idea should be to CURE pedophilia with drugs and therapy. Your controversial suggestion does NOT help cure pedophilia
You don't get Meth addicts off Meth by giving them more Meth. You got to give them group therapy and maybe less addictive drugs
Some sports shouldn't be engaged in by children as we are finding out now about football..
swimming was already mentioned as good survival skill under guidance of responsible adult
hunting .. um no
sex with other kids, of course not. neither can consent and should be redirected.
All of you morons do realize that if a 15 and 16 year old have sex, they're both considered child molesters? Or if two 15 year olds have sex, they're committing sex crimes? Or anyone that is underage and has sex with someone else that is underage? Let's throw all teens who have sex into a volcano. Let's all mutilate and castrate them all!
Learn the fucking law before you state your opinions.
I never had any sexual experiences as a child but I started having wet/horny dreams around 6 or 7, and was masturbating to orgasm with my limp dick by 8 or 9, and I basically have the same fetishes that you do.
Criminal penalties for simple possession isn't treating it as a mental illness.
I do like your analogy though, for this reason: Look at countries that have implemented programs that treat heroin addicts *by giving them actual heroin to inject*. These programs have been hugely successful, far moreso than methadone or suboxone, and preventing those individuals from committing other crimes, like property crimes.
Just as giving a pedophile access to existing CP makes them less likely to go to a worse extreme to satisfy that urge.
who the fuck gives a shit if heroin addicts and meth addicts are let free?
Should bank robbers be in prison? Yes.
Should murderers be in prison? Yes.
Should muggers and burglers be in prison? Yes.
Should people who use drugs recreational be in prison? No they only harm themselves.
Should Meth and Heroin dealers be in prison? no they should be in Regulated, supervised stores where they are regularly checked to make sure their product is pure and they aren't selling or pushing their drugs onto minors. They need to be taxed, they need to bring their business under the public eye. They need to also have medical personal on hand to help both treat addicts and EDUCATE their users on the potential harmful effects of the drugs those ADULTS are choosing to partake in.
The word you want is marginalizing. And I'm not marginalizing anyone's feelings. Sexual contact with children causes trauma and therefor it needs to be banned, even if the real fault for that trauma lies with a stupid society passing on stupid ideas and refusing to have a healthy attitude towards sex.
Could be that my early sexualization had nothing to do with my current fetishes, but I tend to think that if anything, it at least accelerated the development of my tendencies. I remember that during the time when I was playing with other kids, I was constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY thinking things like, "well, I and other boys have a penis, we all have holes (as in the anus,) and girls have two holes - vagina and anus... too much coincidence, so I want to find out what happens when you put the penis into either one." It kept going like that for ages and by the time I had actual sex with a girl for the first time at age 16, vanilla sex was kind of boring to me.
yeah well that's the mo of retards that think prisons and punishment are the answer to things they don't individually like. eventually things go too far.
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When I was 8, I turned my backyard clubhouse into a kidsex den. Me and 4 other kids from the neighborhood were constantly fucking eachothers holes straight to dry orgasm. I initiated this entirely out of my own curiosity, an adult had never said or done anything even remotely inappropriate with me. We even all knew how important it was to keep this secret from adults so we didn't have to stop.
Therapy and Medicine are not criminal charges, there wont be any criminal record. Its a civil issue to be settled in a civil court.
As for the second part of your response I have only heard of the methadone treatment for heroin, I haven't heard of countries giving people actually heroin, but how about respecting the privacy of the victims? The harm of porn continues after the porn is made because the rape of the victim is documented until all traces of it are destroyed.
homosexuality isn't a mental illness. No one is harmed by being homosexuals. No one is at risk of being harmed by someone being a homosexual.
>being sexually attracted to children is actually worse than taking away someone's life forever
NO but acting on that attraction can take away that person's soul forever. Takes away their innocence forever.
I wonder how many child sex abuse survivors kill themselves as a delayed result
Yeah, not saying that molestation is always the cause of these types of things, but something likely triggered you to think in that direction. Maybe something as seemingly benign as being told not to play with yourself, being naturally curious, figuring out at an early age that it felt good, and then continuing from there. That being said, what triggered it all for me was that sick fuck making me give him oral (and I suspect he penetrated my ass with something, though I don't remember if or how,) when I was three years old. My thoughts always went back to being in that room with my biological father whenever I thought about sex as a child. My curiosity picked up the rest from there.
As a child sex abuse survivor, I can say that my unorthodox sexuality (which included attraction to males and females, fantasies of being with both at the same time or forced to be a sissy for someone to cum inside of) made my teenaged years very emotionally difficult, as I couldn't relate to anyone at all.
>14 year olds
pedophilia is specifically attraction to prepubescents, though. that's anyone yet to hit puberty - or at least show outward signs of puberty. so pretty much 11 and under.
over that age they use different terms - ephebophilia, hebephilia... distinguished by the age group you're most attracted by.
in reality it's likely most adults are capable of being sexually attracted to someone under the US legal age of consent.
That hasn't actually been shown to be effective. I get the logic behind it, but actually sexual attraction has not been shown to leave with castration. The power dynamics and curiosity behind child abuse isn't shown to decrease.
tl;dr child abusers continue to abuse because it isn't the balls causing the attraction or the rape its their minds their sociopathy
You have to back it up by criminal liability though or nobody would do it.
As for privacy of the victims, well that should be an entire separate issue, no? Do only children have a privacy interest in their photos? Only sexual images?
Images of people beaten or murdered?
I'd have to say that would be a civil issue against the original poster. There shouldn't be criminal liability for unconnected downloader #125262