Life is about God. Not you and me. Because He lives, we live. Although He owns everything, He died for you and me, so that we may saved from eternal death (Hell).
>>700209395
Yeah, or not.
You're right, Harambe will be missed.
>>700209395
God is not a necessity. He is an option.
My claim is as supported as yours.
>>700209395
Here's the deal. I worship and believe in the Christian god. My deal is the people who have to relate EVERY single thing in their life to god. The other day I saw a dude on Facebook saying for a successfull relationship you both have to put God first. Like wtf? No. Put each other first. Lord.
>>700209395
All glory to the mighty wodan.
>>700209823
That was beautifully retarded.
>>700209395
>He died for you and me
god didn't die...
so much bait... so little time...
>>700209395
good job your a mentally handicapped ,slow clap,
>>700209395
>>700210166
That's literary what has/is and will happen again and again and again for all eternity
>he lives, we live
>he died
Oh fuck. Logic says we're dead.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
>>700210841
Literally*
kek
Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
>>700209395
Who needs god when you have the sun?
Praise
You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. . . . The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head. Deuteronomy 28:30-31,35
“Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.” (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
>>700210956
>>700211004
>>700211116
>>700211321
Wonderful Christian "morality". Not at all evidence of the fact that the bible was written by ancient savages.
“When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.” (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock. (Psalms 137:9 NAB)
God is a synonym for everything, therefore you are God, you're just pretending not to be for a while.
>>700211682
You're just an atheist who wants to be a special snowflake.
>>700211682
No. You are fetishizing some stupid idea that everything-is-some-holy-energy-thing. God is God. Nothing else is God.
>>700211584
that's literally a better punishment than the one we have for rapists today
>>700211850
>Fictional characters are fictional characters
What a stunning revelation.
>>700211191
When you have the sun, you become hot, dry and thirsty and some sunshine and light. That's all. It doesn't care one shit about you and doesn't do one shit to create or maintain the universe
>>700211850
and you MUST worship Him in His house, otherwise you're a pagan, right?
Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”
>>700209395
God is not an opinion, he is a fallacy.
>fix'd
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
>>700211964
You will weep in regret for saying that when you are dead and in Hell.
>>700211988
>and doesn't do one shit to create or maintain the universe
you're right about it's indifference. but it does create. when one star dies, it creates. that's how our giant rock was created. the sun provides energy. energy that facilitated the creation of life. it sustains life with that energy as well.
>>700209395
420 praise it, yo.
>>700212183
Your hollow threats are predicated on the fact that I actually believe in your stupid stories. I don't.
>>700212139
>says opTion
>reads it as opinion
You can't even read can you? Are you dyslexic down-syndrome retard? Typical atheotard
But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence. [spoken by Jesus as a parable] (Luke 19:27 NRS)
>>700209821
You don't know much about your Bible do you?
>>700212301
I did not threaten you. I just showed you some reality. You're just going to have to man up and face reality instead of bitching against God like a petulant little sinner.
>>700209395
Maybe I just need to see other people. It's not him, it's me.
>>700209395
God is dead
>>700212473
If you had evidence for your magical sky Jew, you would provide it. Instead, you resort to scare tactics about some unspecified punishment after I die. To "show me reality" you need to actually provide evidence.
Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence rely not. (Proverbs 3:5 NAB)
Your God wants you to be ignorant
>>700209395
Think your confusing Christ with mithras old chap
>>700209821
God GAVE them that relationship. So yes, give God the glory for everything. Don't be a retard. Everything single good thing is from God and you should be thankful
>>700211988
all of the elements from helium till iron are created in suns. the others are created through supernovas and stuff i don't wanna look up right now.
>>700212652
It's the only way they can maintain converts!
>>700212579
that is why we have the sun
>>700212619
>Calling the raceless God a Jew
A typical butthurt ">Fuck you Christian Mom and Dad, I want to be a gay porn watching cumguzzler fuck you God" pagan. You're really nothing but a little libtard atheist Roleplaying as some nordic nigger cult from many years ago.
>If you had evidence for your magical sky Jew, you would provide it. Instead, you resort to scare tactics about some...
Blah Blah Blah Blah. I'm not here to debate shit with a priori commited low class retard like yourself. So bitch all you want. It's your problem your going to hell, not mine
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
>>700212202
Water also sustains life and energy. If there was no water, the sun would be useless. So why don't you worship water too?
God can't die. It would mean he is created. Which would mean he isn't truly god. Jesus was a prophet and not the son of god. Cmon people. Think about it. He came to reinstate the law of modes not do away with it. God hasn't changed. He's stayed the same. That means sending prophets and stoning the adulterer is still a part of divine law. But you guys think it'd easy. Serving god has never been simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE
>>700213068
Awww, I hurt ur pwecious fee fees :). Your faggot God doesn't exist.
Jews are God's chosen people supposedly and are made in his image. Your God character is in fact a Jew.
>>700211493
So i have to be beaten to an inch of death to free myself? - "Massa, you are a fucklord and I fuked your missus!" ... hope I survive it. Wish me luck bois!
Wealth is good when there is no sin; but poverty is evil by the standards of the proud. (Sirach 13:23 NAB)
>>700213067
Now he just needs to fix that face so he doesn't look like the MtF truck-driver that he is.
The chromosomes never lie
>>700213315
>This assblasted because your going to hell for being a sinner
Kek. Your life sinner. Go back to hell with the niggers
>>700213315
I agree with you, but I still think you're a faggot
>>700209395
Of course; this is the truth. I did not lose an arm at Thalos IV for nothing, it served it's purpose. The emperor protects us all.
>>700213525
I am a faggot
>>700213315
He's right actually.. Jews are degenerate. Odin and you pagans are degenerate. Therefore Odin and you pagans are Jews.
>>700212619
>magical sky jew
fucking kek
He lived but died...zombie God!!!
>>700209395
Hi there!
The Lord has made everything for his own ends, even the wicked for the evil day. (Proverbs 16:4 NAB)
>>700213630
BAHAHAHA. No wonder. So I was right. Another pagan Cumguzzler is going to hell. Lmao so cringe and shamelessly degenerate sinful.
>>700209395
>>700213642
Me pagans? I'm an atheist about all gods
Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told. (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
>>700213844
You still responding kid? I thought it was me who was assblasted. Just go read your bible or talk to yourself or something.
Life is about God. Not you and me. Because He lives, we live. Although He owns everything, He died for you and me, so that we may saved from eternal death (Hell).
you think we're replying because we're leftards, but we're actually replying because your a retard and you're fucking hilarious.
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
>>700209395
You know what, you're right. Now which religion out if the thousands am I supposed to believe? Oh only your specific religion but why that one?
>>700209395
if you couldn't tell, OP, i'm trying to offend you and anyone with your sensibilities.
Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
>>700209395
>He lives
If something can live it can also die
No word from him in over 2k years despite us almost blowing up "his" world and everything on it.
If he did exist he either died or he doesnt give a fuck anymore and created something somewhere else.
According to the bible it took him less than a day to make us, why would we be important to him?
religion is a weapon used to rule over stupid people without hope or the power to think for themselves
OK somebody PROVE to me that your religion is the right one, give me literally any evidence whatsoever against the millions of other religions and ill convert
Leviticus 11:9-12 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.
>>700214907
Deuteronomy 13:6-10New International Version (NIV)
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
If you don't believe in this one you will be murdered
>>700215178
Plenty of religions want to murder me for being a disbeliever.
God is not a necessity.
He isn't an option either.
He's simply a fairy tale born from fear.
>>700215386
/thread
>>700215178
I meant to say prove to me with evidence that isnt your shitty mushroom trip book
>>700209395
The great offense the masses take to Christianity is pretty pathetic when they are so apathetic to so much evil.
I'm convinced the bulk of man is spiritually dead, mentally inept and morally retarded. Fools who can only understand their side of the question.
>>700215631
Or half-assed fear tactics
>>700215631
>do not answer a fool according to his folly
>>700215760
Evil like two men buttfucking? I have plenty of time to criticize all kinds of things I find immoral, including religion.
>>700215814
I hope this is bait. Heaven is often called eternal life, hell is eternal death.
>>700215814
Or Jewish tricks
>>700215918
>all kinds of things I find immoral
Morality is not relative.
relativism doesn't hold up to any philosophical scrutiny. Biblical or no.
>>700216012
>>700215982
These aren't using your or anyone's ideal interpretation of the Bible, just the damned thing itself
>>700216154
>>700216111
But the Bible was written on a few people's relative morality. Hell, it was written by so many lazy people they didn't even look back at what was already laid out to make sure the pieces fit together
>>700209395
Every one knows that GOD exists, many are just unable to admit it.
I don't fear death or nothingness. I like the idea that there is something beyond us, however, so I like the idea of a god. Pascal's wager is pretty much what I ascribe too. People will claim it's a busted theory, but it really isn't. The point of Pascal's wager isn't to choose a religion and begrudgingly follow its tenants, rather the point is to live your life to the fullest while devoting yourself to a theology that most closely resembles your thoughts on god.
Being American it's easy to see why I choose Christianity, specifically Lutheranism. I disagree with many of the tenants and I don't believe in any sort of literal Hell, but I still adhere to the basic tenants of Christ and I like that Martin Luther 'freed' the bible from Catholicism which worked very hard to keep it under lock&key. I strongly feel that if everyone in the world followed these tenants, we'd have a radically different world that would be a very close comparison to heaven.
At the end of the day, I'm very happy. Are you? If so, then I'm happy for you as well. If not, maybe you should try something different, perhaps religion.
>>700209593
He's in a better place now. The dark eternal void we all return to once we embrace the sweet kiss of death
>>700216322
And to top it all off, a visual of all contradictions in the broble
>>700216351
But which GOD is the one that exists? If any, prove it.
You aren't fooling anyone we know the only reason you chose to believe in God is the same reason people believe in ghosts, fear of the unknown
>>700216111
I never claimed moral relativism. Calm down kiddo.
>>700216154
Because it's out of context nonsense. The Bible tells a story, and words have malleable meanings in everything you read.
>>700216322
Consider actually reading it and not being fallacious while doing so. I know you have a vested interest in rationalizing the bible is total nonsense but it's for your own good.
I say this as someone who has been an atheist/anti-theist throughout most of his life and still can't call himself a theist or christian in good faith.
>>700215850
>i don't have any proof
>>700216734
You implied it heavily. It doesn't matter what you think is immoral, only what is immoral. If you knew this you would have phrased it as such.
>>700209395
>Life is about God.
not for me, argument disproved
> Because He lives, we live
so? plants live, is life about plants?
> Although He owns everything
how can non existant entity own anything?
> He died for you and me
death of a god means nothing, it has literaly no value, since god can do anything he can just ressurect himself (and according to bible he did), life has no value for a god so he sacraficed nothing (assuming that he exists, he doesnt tho)
>so that we may saved from eternal death
didint he also condemn us to the eternal death in hell? if he was allmighty god then couldnt he just uncondemn us just like that? Why the show? This seems like something what some sand people from 2000 years ago would make up.
>>700216820
I have mountains of proof. Both inside and outside the bible. But it's literally too complex for you, and you will reject it regardless.
Existence without God is itself metaphysically impossible.
>>700216918
You think things are immoral. Doesn't "heavily imply" relativism from that either.
>>700217013
This
i think i'm a pretty good person without having to believe in god. my life is going just fine without religious beliefs. in fact even if i tried i couldn't force myself to believe in god.
Thiests choose to believe in an easy lie
Atheists chose to believe the cold hard dark truth
Prove me wrong christ-fags
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>>700217201
>I have mountains of proof
>But I won't ever post any
HOLY SHIT YOU HAVE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS???? IS IT BACKED WITH SCIENCE? WOW WRITE A BOOK YOU COULD BECOME THE MOST FAMOUS MAN ALIVE!!!!!
>>700214811
He chooses not to intervene until the chosen day. It's not that he doesn't care about us, its about leaving us to choose Him ourselves. If He forces us to choose Him then our worship and faith will have no value. The value of our love and faith is that we voluntarily choose God as pur saviour.
>>700217575
I choose to believe in Buddha, prove he doesn't exist and ill convert
>>700217556
Choosing to believe in nothing is the easiest way out. Faith in god is a constant struggle.
>>700217556
You worship science as if it is infallible. Despite it having great difficulty trying to measure anything that isn't quantifiable. Logic, rationality etc all has it's holes if you dig deep enough. And yes there is scientific proof God exists. You are just willfully ignorant of it.
>>700217846
It is a constant struggle to maintain cognitive dissonance. Atheism is not belief in nothing. That is nihilism.
>>700217846
That's a cool way of saying believing in god is a frustrating waste of time
>>700217575
> If He forces us to choose Him then our worship and faith will have no value
why would a loving god hide himself from us and make it impossible to detect him with any rational, scientific or logical way, and then send us to heaven/hell based on believing in him without any evidence? Thats like literaly telling someone to chose 50%-50% chance to live or die for the heck of it.
>>700209395
>God is not an option, he is a necessity
Kek, talking about god like he's some kind of drug. It goes to show how delusional some people are about religion
>>700217994
Nietzsche outlined how you can't be an atheist without being a nihilist unless you go nuts and delude yourself into the shit you make up.
>>700218039
Religion IS a drug. Prayer and cult behaviours can bring about altered states of consciousness, no different than recreational substances.
>>700217941
>There is scientific proof
OK post your source, I will read it. It sounds interesting
I always say the moment any theist gives me evidence of their religion that isnt based on opinions I'll convert
>>700210467
He's a christian, and in that religion Jesus Christ died and God was a part of Jesus Christ. Ergo, according to their myth God died, ressurected himself and sent himself up to heaven where he already was.
Pretty confusing
>>700217941
The existence of god has much more holes than science.
Also there is literally no proof god exists.
>>700218179
Nietzsche actually argued that nihilism was to be avoided. I doubt you have ever actually read any Nietzsche though. Nice appeal to authority regardless.
>>700209395
> He died for you and me
You're talking about the God-Emperor right, you fuckin potential heretic?
>>700217575
There are literally thousands of gods.
How do you know you have faith in the right one?
That's right, you don't.
Because all of them are fictional.
This thread is very quickly becoming a round of jesus freaks vs fedora tippers. I'm out
>>700218189
This
>>700209395
Something is wrong with you and a large portion of the world. Religion is going to be the downfall of humanity. So fuck you assholes who devote your life to some made up God.
>>700218303
>Nietzsche actually argued that nihilism was to be avoided.
Yes I know that. why did you think that wasn't implied in my post. Nihilism is to be avoided despite it being (((true)))
>>700218007
Romans 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
>>700209395
God does not exist.
The closest thing to God you will ever find is the Universe itself.
God did not create the Universe, God did not create you, God does not exist.
Place your beliefs here in the physical, real world. You have a vast beautiful Universe that has worked for billions of years to sustain your petty life. The least you can do is not demean it by saying some nonexistent creature you created in your fucking head "saved everyone" from it. Get over yourself, your "God" is a figment of your imagination to aide you in your crippling fear of death you weak, miserable being.
>>700218497
>>700218513
Nihilism true? Way to use ridiculous claims that Nietzsche would have never accepted. He didn't regard nihilism as a "truth". Regardless, I have no interest in arguing on behalf of some dead faggot.
>>700218676
Truth
>>700218272
>Also there is literally no proof god exists.
Existence. And the bulk of philosophical (non sofist) thought begs to differ.
>>700209395
eternal death = nothing.
how is that bad?
>>700218818
>>>>>>>>>Thought
Thoughts are opinions not scientific fact
>>700218497
>>700218676
>>700218039
Romans 1:28-32
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
>>700218755
How ironic. Looks like i'm not the one who doesn't understand Nietzsche. Or what the actual ramifications "Gods death" had on thought.
>>700218818
Care to justify your one word "proof"? What does "existence" have to do with proving the existence of a transcendental intelligent entity?
>>700209395
OP is a faggot, as allways
fuck god
Life is about God. Not you and me. Because He lives, we live. Although He owns everything, He died for you and me, so that we may saved from eternal death (Hell).
>>700214697
Fuck your sword.
We have tanks.
>>700218992
You know what the concept of scientific fact is don't you?
>>700218818
Existence isn't proof.
Also there are some things that cannot be explained with god, but might someday be explained with science.
For example, what was there before god existed?
What created god?
Even if existence would be proof of a god, you would have no way of knowing what kind of god, saying a god caused it is just a random guess.
>>700211850
Imagine you are the source of everything, anything you create will be a manifestation of your own energy. You cannot create anything separate from yourself as you are everything.
>>700219057
Yes very ironic. Now if you don't mind, I need to go continue being a freethinker and not giving a fuck about some 19th century armchair fags.
BILLIONS believe in thousands of years old middle eastern fairy tales
wewlads
>>700217941
Science is pretty infallible considering it can accurately prove and predict most if not all things that are true, just because your fairytale has no proof doesn't mean it gets a pass
>>700209593
Dicks out for harambe
>>700219247
Literally this
>>700219147
Something backed by evidence and proven via testing
If you want to get technical itd be a theory
>>700219069
>>700219155
Here. But if you are so simple you think the material world could create itself you might be beyond hope.
God is love. He doesn't judge you or hate you. All the Lord asks for is a relationship.
I encourage any Anons who are skeptical about God to simply ask Him for a sign and then be open to recognizing it when it happens. Every time I have asked for a sign or help with a seemingly impossible task - I've gotten an answer. Every time.
>>700219204
Indeed it is the current year.
>>700219040
Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets:
Chapter Eight
The Deathday Party
"Hello, hello," said Nearly Headless Nick, starting and looking round. He wore a dashing, plumed hat on his long curly hair, and a tunic with a ruff, which concealed the fact that his neck was almost completely severed. He was pale as smoke, and Harry could see right through him to the dark sky and torrential rain outside.
Look at me I can nonsensically quote random shit from books too!
>>700219247
>Science is pretty infallible
it's either infallible or it isn't
> accurately prove and predict most if not all things that are true
think about this for a moment. Why is this fallacious?
> just because your fairytale has no proof doesn't mean it gets a pass
But it does, as does any philosophical text. If they didn't there would be no science in the first place.
>>700219511
Did you even read the verse I gave you bro? You are literally doing what the verse says.
>>700219247
Science is very useful but it cannot explain everything.
We are not simply just physical beings and that is where science becomes useless. How much does a thought weigh? How fast does imagination travel? What is the height and width of creativity?
Can these non-physical aspects of ourselves be examined with science?
>>700219346
Wrong. try again. I didn't ask what a scientific fact was, I asked what the CONCEPT of a scientific fact was.
>>700209395
God didnt die fuckwit, jesus did. If you try trolling, put some effort in it.
>>700219410
>But if you are so simple you think the material world could create itself you might be beyond hope.
The earth didn't create itself, the universe did.
What created the universe? We don't know.
But we do know it exists.
What created God? We don't know, since it doesn't exist.
Your fairy tale has so many flaws, even if there was a god you wouldn't know if you believed in the right one.
The closest thing there is to a god is the existence of the universe itself, which is not something worth worshiping.
>>700219410
I assume you're referring to the first one. This paragraph simply defines God as being pure "actuality" and everything else as simply being "potentiality". It is quite literally defining God into existence.
>>700219773
>Gets a pass from being proven fact
That makes it an opinion, nothing more
>>700219825
Yes they can, brain activity exists out of signals which can be weighted.
>>700219825
These are all ideas non "non physical aspects"
Also, a thought would have weight based on synapses in the brain and how many the thought took
>>700220049
>and everything else as simply being "potentiality".
and yet it doesn't do this. If this were two there would be no reason to claim pure actuality, as there would be no such thing as any other kind of actuality.
>It is quite literally defining God into existence.
because it is necessary for existence.
>>700219825
Yeah, they are just chemical reactions. We work EXACTLY the same as other highly evolved animals, stop thinking humans are special and that our brain patterns are proof of a higher being watching over us. It makes you look quite retarded.
>>700219825
Actually, it is reasonable to think science could isolate the mental systems that produce what we call "thoughts", and then weigh that. Other than such trivial word games, your statements are meaningless because thought, creativity, and imagination are all abstract concepts created by men to better explain the world.
>>700219247
>pretty infallible
finding the infallible solution often takes years of being fallible. science is always open to being wrong.
the funny thing is by all logic science eventually yields proof that god exists, and it starts with basic subatomic structure.
the universe is 4% physical matter, and a mixture of 96% dark matter and dark energy. that's a huge margin of fucking error, and this 96% of the universe holds the secrets to all theology in the world. just because you've never read a book in your life doesn't mean you get to pass on "fairy tales"
>>700220424
I define the realicorn as horse-like animals with horns on their heads that necessarily exist. Therefore horse-like animals with horns on their heads do exist. That's how shitty your apologia is.
>>700209395
If that's true... where is he? Why does he let this world be such shit?
>>700220484
>meaningless because thought, creativity, and imagination are all abstract concepts created by men to better explain the world.
As is science.
It's pretty much pointless arguing with monkeys about throwing their shit
I didnt come in here expecting any proof and I didn't come in here expecting to help anyone realise their mistakes
I didnt leave with either
God is a pretty little lie wrapped up in a bow with sparkles
Not believing is a very pessimistic but true view of the world
Religion was created out of fear of death
Prove me wrong
>>700220711
>Religion was created out of a need to control people
>>700220628
You're only making a fool of yourself. And showing your total lack of understanding to the problem itself.
>Le flying spaghetti monster XD am I right?
>>700220657
You are correct. All are man-made models of reality. It is just that science is a man-made model that has been proven to be far more accurate than the rest.
>>700220657
Ah yes but science is backed by observable truths religion is backed by, what? A book that nobody knows where it may have actually come from
>>700219040
>every kind of wickedness
None of that in my post
>evil,
None of that either
>greed and depravity
Nope neither of these either
>They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice
Would you look at that, none of those either.
>They are gossips
Nope, no gossip.
>30 slanderers
This one may be true, though I did not directly say anything slanderous.
>God-haters, insolent, arrogant
These three are true.
>boastful;
Only ironically to prove a point.
>they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
What the fuck? How is this even related?
>no fidelity
On the contrary. I have faith in the FUCKNG UNIVERSE I LIVE IN. As demonstrated in my original post.
>No love, no mercy
Neither of these in that post either.
Pray tell, am I missing something here? Even if I were to commit everything you accused me of with your "word of god" it would still not prove anything.
Try coming up with a legitimate argument rather than just nonsensically quoting bullshit from a 2,000-year-old book that was written by peasants who believed the Sun orbited the Earth, the Earth was flat, and that the Earth was the CENTER of the Universe.
Please tell me more of your useless book as if it means anything. (it doesn't.)
>>700209395
wait, hell is eternal death? As in like, you cease to exist? I thought ceasing to experience things was heaven, not hell. Sure sounds better than having to be stuck with me for infinity years.
>>700220902
>religion is backed by, what?
observable and visceral truths.
>>700220817
Well christianity certainly was, but it only seems to work on the US nowadays. The rest of the christian world(europe) moved on.
>>700220866
I pointed out through comparison why your argument is shit. You have nothing more than mockery.
>>700220639
Man reforms the world god created. kids get bone cancer because of things like 3 kids one hammer. the earth shits out bugs that eat the eyeballs of children inside out because there are children that put firecrackers into the assholes of frogs, so the earth as a singular consciousnesses decides to do something to balance it. God is every single piece of sub atomic matter that makes up the physical universe, man's role is to reform this atomic matter into what ever we want, and right now we've been killing ourselves for a long time.
man is 55% hydrogen. we are not carbon based life, we are hydrogen based life, and stars are capable of as much self-awareness as we are.
consciousness exists independent of matter.
>>700220139
>>700220209
Brain activity is what happens before you experience the thought, but it is not the thought itself. A thought requires a conscious being to experience it.
If you experience a thought in your head right now, what physical attributes does it have?
>>700221006
>Truths
>Observable
List off any 5 "truths" that back religion
I'm waiting
>>700209395
>>700221041
And the comparison is retarded because it isn't in relation to the same question.
>>700221088
You just asserted a thought was different than the brain activity surrounding it. Support your baseless claim pls.
>>700221088
Like a complex computer, what you experience and think happens with the brain not after
>>700213185
are you high? the sun would burn just fine whether there was water or not, it's use is to fuse hydrogen into helium, it is as useful at it's job in a universe with life or without, with water or without, all it needs is hydrogen.
>>700221115
And they have to be provable truths, undeniable by a rational mind, with nothing on faith.
>>700221193
It actually is. You define your imaginary friend as necessarily existing. I define my realicorns as necessarily existing. Now believe in my realicorns.
>>700221115
Science
Existence
Morality
Death
Potential
>>700221237
Dont try to answer him. Dont feed the troll, i hope he is. Thinking there are such retarded people on this planet makes me sick.
> i dont understand so god did it
>>700221369
Exactly how do these prove your God exists?
Not any philosophical debate just cold hard facts
Also morality and potential are ideas not truths
>>700221006
the Torah, and the Quran are both the word of god, are to be recitied in a rhythmic fashion, and contain many of the mathmatical principles of the universe.
the Talmud, and the Hadith Nabawi is garbage fromt he synogague of satan mentioned in revelations 2:9 that says the Jews aren't jews, but satanists, designed to cause controversy and violence in the land. these two books reflect 0 of the characteristics found in the Torah, and the Quran.
the Talmud and Hadith Nabawi are written by man, not god, and are all around pretty disgusting books. You're no better than these Harambe sand niggers if you refuse to even acknowledge the difference.
being unable to make the distinction in these 4 books is what causes all the problems in the world, and you illiterate fucks do not help the situation at all.
>>700221415
The problem with religious trolls is no matter how ridiculous the claim, there are real people who believe it. The human mind is malleable and capable of believing anything.
>>700221072
a cucumber is 55% hydrogen
is that also sentient?
>>700211999
If you're saying churches are the house of God, you're wrong, because WE are his temple, his house, where HE inhabits.
And, you choose to throw yourself in the lake of fire for the eternity. Do you think that letting assassins, rapists, and many other kinds of bad people in the heaven is a good idea? Come on.
>>700221369
>science
kek
>morality
If god told you to kill all of your family, would you do it?
>>700221319
Again you misunderstand the question. It is not defined as necessarily existing, but it is the only solution to the problem of existence so it must necessarily exist.
>>700209395
That would be a lot more persuasive if the Pope weren't a massive cuck.
there's no god.
>>700211465
Government writes it well eh? Twisted everything for greed and power.
>>700213103
What are you even trying to justify, with old testament chapters?
>>700221573
What problem of existence are you referring to? I read no such terminology in the first answer.
>>700221556
yes, plants respond to music, audio frequencies in general. there has to be some kind of awareness to respond to sound.
next question?
>>700221570
That one nigger almost killed his son because God said to so morality must not mean much to religious people
>>700220425
So you are a slave to chemical reactions?
>>700221369
>>700221115
Oh I wanna join, are we playing name five random things and say these prove god? I love this game!
Tomatoes
Jean Shorts
Carbon Monoxide
Freedom
Air
>>700209395
without faith, god does not exist
because it only exists in the imaginations of the faithful
because it is imaginary
>>700221524
>incoherent refugee rambling
>>700209395
>He died for you and me, so that we may saved from eternal death (Hell)
Please try to explain this and not sound a fucking retard.
>>700221668
what?
>>700221694
Good morally from god would be just fine with kids getting cancer, people being killed over religion, aids. There would be no point for painkillers or medicine for anyone, because it would have been god's plan all along.
>>700214697
By "sword" he meant justice, are you LITERALLY RETARDED?
After justice is installed, peace comes after.
>>700221763
you can use the Torah, and the Talmud to prove the Nazi's innocent of the holocaust you uncultured fuck.
>>700212473
There is no sin. There is no wrong. The only reason there is a wrong is cause of society.
>>700221369
Couldnt anyone use these to explain anything?
The universe can be rationally understood through science because it was created by Lord Brahma who is most wise. The reason that pi is an irrational number is because the universe was in fact created by several competing gods who each tried to create their own universal laws at the same time, which conflict, and that is why none of the constants line up quite right. The fact that things exist at all proves that Ra created the heavens and the earth, because if He didnt, where did they come from? Objective morality exists because Spiderman convinced the Beyonder to stop raping babies during the Secret Wars and he made it a universal constant that raping babies was morally bad as a result.
Explain why any of these statements I just made is false.
>>700221556
Wtf are you talking about? A cucumber is 55% pure hydrogen? Why arent we using these fuckers for fuel then? Stop talking please.
>anything with a high water % is sentient
No one is claiming that.
>>700213994
Your going to hell m8
Yeah, another fun "God thread". Of the around 100 people who kill themselves in the US daily, I am sure many of them are begging and pleading with "God" to help them before they do it. And guess what. NOTHING HAPPENS.
God: A man-created idea and concept to give humans a purpose when they need hope beyond themselves.
I am a demigod
You too are a demigod
We are all demigods
>>700209395
Drink this to go see your god quicker OP.
If you don't see Jesus in this picture y'all motherfuckers are going to hell.
>>700221703
Everyone is. Thinking you are more then that is quite arrogant. We mean nothing if you look at the universe, why would we be special?
>>700213899
Atheists are even more degenerate
>>700221984
Good. I'd rather hang with all the cool people instead of being brainwashed and forced to worship a sky jew with a bunch of boring faggots for all eternity.
>>700221986
They refuse Gods help. Which is why they ended up wanting to kill themselves in the first place.
>>700221986
In what theological, philosopical conception you're alleging such argument?
>>700221949
I'm claiming that >>700221693 but in a much bigger scale. >>700221072
>>700209395
>He died
If The Lord is dead why should I still care or believe in H.I.M ?
Wasnt Jah supposed to be immortal or something?
>>700221989
Yes, it's possible. I know you couldn't damage the monster last time, and that the destroyer may not be able to repair itself by the time it is needed. But who's to say you can't aid it? Or mimic those who will seek to rebuild God, and acquire outside help? Working together, nothing is impossible.
Apart, we are Broken. But united, we are God.
>>700221986
God is there, everytime you need help. But if you don't accept being helped, or His help itself, what can HE do? Stop the time and take you back to the roof? No. YOU choose to harm yourself. YOU choose to kill yourself. YOU choose to develop your own diseases.
>>700222044
jesus is an assface then
also checked
here's the problem, you claim to say god exist's but their is zero evidence of it. Every "miracle" can be explained by science or just dumb luck. All you idiots how think god will save are as naive as a 3 year old. Fuck god
>>700221557
>HE
>HE
>HE
fucking moron, that implies there's a SHE for god to be different from and be a HE in contrast to. Ascribing gender to a single being, and one who has no genitals and no opposite sex to fuck them with, is an obvious clue to the even basic level of thought you haven't given god.
fucking leftover language from polytheistic egypt pre-akenhaten...
useful idiots
>>700221237
Have a thought right now. Is what you are experiencing physical? Sure, you can look at synapses and chemical reactions, but the experience of that thought is non-physical.
>>700222101
Well technically they gave themselves original sin. Like how a toddler gives themselves death by electric shock for sticking the fork in a socket. Of course a good parent would stop them from doing so...
>>700222162
We are not 55% hydrogen. And we are carbon based lifeforms.
>>700209395
There it is, the stupidest thing I'll read all day.
>>700222303
hey buddy pass me the mountain dew and that fedora over there
>>700222063
Do you not find the chemical reactions to have intelligence of their own?
>>700222329
By "he" I meant God, as HE HIMSELF IN THE BIBLE is asking to other people whenever they want to refer to HIM, to use the HE pronoun.
I pity your brainwashed conception.
>>700222346
You again claim it is non-physical and tried to make me use personal experience to agree with you. That won't cut it here kid. I accept evidence and that which is verified and repeatably tested through science. There is no evidence of any "non-physical" processes when I think.
>>700221072
>thinking carbon-based means that the highest % of matter has to be carbon.
>thinking hydrogen is the biggest make-up, when its actually oxygen at 65%
>not knowing hydrogen is 9.5%
Typical theist
>>700222360
70% water, what's water made out of?
>>700222506
No chemical reactions follow the path of lowest resistance. So its allways the "easiest" reaction that goes first, you could call that consience but everything in nature does that.
>>700221072
>your entire post
>>700222567
>>700221088
>>700221261
this, the thought and consciousnesses are both just chemical reactions in the brain
>>700222570
2 molecular units of hydrogen, 16 of oxygen
>>700222132
No they don't you ignorant fuck. Many have had the "faith" the "belief" in the "God". They prayed for years. They worked. They did all the shit they we're suppose to do; treatment, medications, etc. Yeah, lol, got me to reply. Hey, if a delusion "gets one through life", fine. Just don't preach your fucking shit to those who don't buy the magical thinking.
>being a fedora tipper
Whether God exists doesn't actually matter. What actually matters is that most of society adheres to a single creed. Rituals matter, and homogenous societies that profess an objective morality (i.e. a state religion) are the most stable and successful.
You ignorant fucks.
>>700222666
How do they "know" to do that?
OP is a faggot.
>>700222823
It is against the Ninth Commandment to lie. The truth does matter.
>>700222157
Theological? Philosophical? Just facts.
>>700222329
Gender isnt physical, dipshit, it's social. You dont need a penis to be a man, you need a penis to be a male. God is a HE because that's how HE introduced HIMSELF to us. As a father.
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this.
>>700223017
>>>/tumblr/
>>700222822
Their faith was not genuine by definition. Those who know Christ welcome their suffering.
>>700222919
The same way grass "knows" to be green. They don't. It is a physical property that we repeatedly observe in nature.
>>700222570
Water weighs 18 molecular units( 2x1,00008 for hydrogen and 16 for oxygen) so hydrogen makes up(2÷18x100) 11,11% of the wieght of a water molecule. 11% of 70% isnt 55% fuckwad.
>>700222290
>YOU choose to develop your own diseases.
Misinformed, ignorant idiot.
>>700222919
It's called science, the very thing you ignore
>>700223017
>>700223011
>I don't know what a fact is and how it can't even exist without the concept of itself.
>>700223192
Science is sinful anyway fedoratipper!
>>700223247
Lmfao, I know right?
>>700213067
look like some tasty ass ramen coming outta there
>>700222666
>>700223176
The wages of Sin is death. You choose Sin and you are cursed.
>>700223113
>their faith was not genuine
Just how ignorant can you be?
>>700223176
You've showed zero arguments, only an aggressive ad hominem attempt.
>>700223142
Ow snap, bringing them facts
>>700209395
Nice bait. No one can be such a simple minded sheep.
>>700212688
So why do some people get shittons of good things and others nothing but suffering? How come this happens to people who still believe in god too?
>>700223394
Even people who don't sin can get diseases you dumbfuck
>>700223436
You'd be surprised how dumb goats can get.
>>700223006
Of course the truth matters. That's not my point.
I'm not a Christian because modern Christianity is utterly cucked, and I'm not LARPy enough to be Eastern Orthodox. However, the value of a society that follows one religion almost exclusively can't be underestimated.
>>700209395
How do we know your god is the right one?
And you know what? I don't care. Even if God existed, he's such a self-centred asshat that he could go fuck himself right in the ass with his 'eternal worship.'
>>700223588
>Dark ages
>>700209395
Are you talking about Hanuman the Monkey god?
I believe in him too just the same. Can jesus be made another avatar of vishnu?
>>700223525
Yes, and it is not a curse but a blessing to them. Read the life of Paul and his letters and how he was happy to be tested like Lot.
>>700223588
Yes Saudi Arabia is such a great society. So much more advanced than the religiously diverse western nations. You are so right.
Anyone familiar with Roman's 9:16?
>>700223630
>omg god does not exist because he does not attend my wishesssssssssss
So far all theists in this thread have only stated their opinions and have ignored either the legitimacy of facts or the facts as a whole
>>700223703
Ah yes the dark ages, where knowledge was only preserved though the effort of Christian monks and the church. After pagans fucked up and lost it all.
>>700223915
That's every thread with theists
>>700223703
>falling for the dark ages meme
The Church salvaged as much of it could of the crumbling Roman empire- which, by the way, also followed a single religion. The modern world wouldn't exist without the efforts of the Church in the Middle Ages.
>>700223808
It's extraordinarily stable, and fairly successful as a nation, even if you don't like its politics. But you've cut to the heart of the matter, which is that Islam cares about itself and Christendom does not. If the West wants to survive it's gonna have to find religion again.
>>700209395
Those words do absolutely nothing for a person who doesn't believe in God.
What would you say to convince a person who does not believe in God, and embraces the finality of death without an afterlife?
>>700222552
the universe is 4% physical matter, and 96% mixture of dark matter, and dark energy. there's plently of evidence supporting non-physical process, and its backed by thousands of years of theology. you can mathematically proof the existence of the 9 realms Norse mythology the same way you can proof the earth is flat, and round at the same time.
>>700223915 >>700223984
i've yet to see anyone address the structural make up of the universe, or the fact that all subatomic matter is more or less made up of light.
>>700223915
What facts do you expect them to acknowledge? We are talking about people who believe in literal fairy tales after all. They have imaginary friends that they talk to in their mind.
>>700224161
This has got to be troll...
What do y'all think?
>>700223116
What laws of physics does consciousness follow? Being that it is merely the creation of physical chemicals.
>>700223828
What about it? It just shows that we are saved by Gods Grace to forgive us. He doesn't have to forgive us, but he promises he always will if we genuinely repent. God has infinite ability to forgive, but man has limited ability to ask forgiveness. we are not saved by our acts. He judges us by our acts but without his mercy our sins would condemn us regardless.
>>700224273
He's trolling.
>>700224098
>>700223952
While they did try to preserve the knowledge, they did not encourage as much education and free thought as the greeks/romans did, they instead tried to conquer in the name of god and converting people.
>>700224390
I don't know. Therefore God right? Just because there are things that science does not understand about the universe, doesn't mean you get to inject your fairy tales to explain them.
>>700224145
You can only do so much for a person. In some people a seed is planted the belief grows gradually in others it dies.
Don't project your arrogance onto others as if every atheist thinks the same way.
>>700224604
Literally nothing wrong with trying to convert other people and conquer land for your own people.
On the other hand, look up the origin of universities.
