If God is real, why does suffering exist? >inb4 muh free
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If God is real, why does suffering exist?
>inb4 muh free will
Yeah those deformed babies should have chosen a different life I guess.
Satan dumbass
>>700143696
Of God is all powerful why doesn't he get rid of Satan? Or at least overpower him to prevent suffering?
>>700143846
God isn't everyone's personal fucking army he gives you the tools to be successful or bad.
>>700142782
Why shouldn't suffering exist?
>>700142782
He isn't real. He is about as real as Spiderman.
Interesting choice of image!
>>700142782
black people
>>700142782
Sauce
Is that from a video
When you forget that you are viewing from the ultimate point then suffering is a result of of you asking such questions, thinking you are a separate thing being victimized by the universe. Pain is not suffering. We can be in intense pain and not suffer it because the mind does not play tricks to make a sensation into an existential crisis.
>>700144554
It is contradictory to the notion of an all loving creator, which also is all powerful.
>>700143846
Satan is actually an angel. A fallen angel god sent to teach others suffering and pain.
Suffering and pain builds character.
When you're in the freeway and your car runs out of gas you'll remember that and always check if you're good to go, more so remind others to check their gas ETC.
It's an innevitable part of life.
Satan isn't gods enemy.
>>700144379
What if you're fucked from the beginning?
>>700144379
But it's not really free will if he is all knowing and all powerful
>>700142782
Why would you start this thread using a picture like that?
This is why people say you guys are shills pushing an agenda.
>>700144379
Ya I guess that kid who died a slow painful death from cancer really had it coming, should have used those tools to be successful.
>>700144379
But that circles back to the babies born with deformities, terminal illnesses, etc. Why would that happen if god 'gives you the tools to be successful'
>>700144379
Our will is gods will
>>700144813
Why does a god have to be an all loving creator?
>>700144829
Right so maybe things like losing an arm would teach you endurance or some shit. What is the point of retard deformed babies who suffer 24/7 for a couple of years and then die?
>>700142782
We're in hell.
We need some balance in this thread.
>>700144998
It was the last image I saved, didn't really give it much thought.
>>700145158
According to christianity at least, he is.
>>700145258
this and saging OP's retarded thread
>>700144604
Don't you fucking dare talk about Superman like that.
>>700142782
you cannot know happiness without knowing anguish
>>700145258
Dude...I'm scard. I never thought of that.
>>700145529
Nevermind. I read Superman. Spiderman can go fuck right off.
>>700145158
God is perfect so everything he creates is perfect.
Even if Humans manage to ruin earth God still has plenty of other planets to attend to.
Gods not some man flying in the sky.
It's nobodys problem to deal with a young persons journey of self discovery.
You can be as "Smart" and "Logical" as you want, but all you're doing is prolonging and denying the innevitable.
God gave us life and it's our choice to live as we so choose.
>>700145158
I didn't say that he did.
>>700144657
Compelling argument.
>>700142782
Yea dumb ass babies
>>700144379
>God isn't everyone's personal fucking army he gives you the tools to be successful or bad.
Unless you get childhood cancer or a genetic deformation or some shit...then...tough luck, I guess? Becuase god hates you? lel
>>700145458
>It was the last image I saved
W H Y ???
>>700142782
Because suffering is the only thing that builds character.
>>700144829
Two weeks ago my girlfriend died, without warning, for no reason. Tell me, what lesson was I supposed to learn from this? Or her mother? Or her friends?
>>700145654
>God Perfect
>Everything made perfect
>Humans made by god fuck it up.
>Christian logic 101.
>>700145201
Whatever the fuck you were doing to lose an arm teaches you to be more careful and less of an idiot to avoid doing that again.
Deformed babies are the product of bad parenting. Things lacked that are needed.
>>700145299
>>700145422
Not YLYL faggot
>>700145458
Picking on Christianity is like picking on old dementia patients
>>700145654
Who says a god is perfect? If you answer, "god does", I'm gonna lose my sides.
>>700145671
I didn't say you did, but the person I quoted mentioned the notion of god being an all loving creator
>>700145458
Why would you save that picture?
Religion is just an excuse not to fear dear.
>inb4 atheist scum
>>700142782
...because God is a apathetic asshole just like us.
>>700142782
>Not realising in 1000AD + 1016 that God hates us and has always hated us
>>700146332
If i had the power to snap my fingers and make the universe an amazing deathless place, i would.
Spoiler alert: God is you. You created him in your mind. Its both your concept of reality and what existence means to you. Many push away that responsibility and call him some distant king who will reward them for doing their best. Few will accept that they are God, God is them, and everyone else. A connection of consciousness that isn't strongly felt due to physical limitations of the human body. But once you free yourself of the rules of this world, you become one again.
>>700142782
to give you something to use in this thread to test our faith, BEGONE SATAN
>>700145791
>>700146106
Idk sometimes the topic of black men cucking white men with their wives comes up so I figured this might come in handy if I wanted to post something.
All this pain and suffering is part of life and it's not God to be blamed. It's you for being weak and pathetic unnable to accept life the way it is. People suffered in even more gruesome ways for centurys and currently in nature. It's not like a deer wants to die and be eaten.
How about you use your Athiest logic to accept the circle of life and life the way it's always been.
All you young people still don't understand how the world works nomatter how much you deny it. Every day you're learning new things and disproving things. Until you know the answer to everything can you say God isn't real.
OP just read Walter Kasper he explains that shit, inb4 people with no knowledge of theology come in trying to talk about God.
>>700145880
Retard award to this guy.
You can be the best fucking parent in the world and have the horrible luck of having a deformed baby. Go read a book, damn it.
I'm usually against ad hominem but you deserve it.
>>700145880
>Deformed babies are the product of bad parenting. Things lacked that are needed.
That is objectively false. But assuming it were true, what about the baby? What lesson is he supposed to learn from it? Why should he suffer?
>>700146750
If your god exists as you imagine him then he is an unforgivable monster.
>>700142782
If there wasn't bad then good wouldn't exist it would all simply be the same just monotone. When God created us he had to place the forbidden fruit even though he knew that we would fall for it. And so then the question is raised "so why did he put it there in the first place?" Well if he hadn't there wouldn't really be a choice. For us to truly have freewill we would need to have a choice to make. It is the same for suffering. If God controlled every single aspect of our lives and made it so there was never any suffering then we wouldnt really have a choice in anything. We have to take the good with the bad, that is the nature of humanity and the lives we lead.
>>700142782
Please stop posting NIGGERS.
>>700146521
Spoiler alert: Youve just made the word "God" meaningless.
We create more food than ever before, and can make as much as we need. Why aren't we giving it away so no one is hungry?
>>700146750
Weakness in life is you being unable to accept that there is no safety blanket of a God
>>700146750
You can't also say it IS real though.
You can't also say there's invisible, immaterial, but pink elephants floating over every one of us.
Burden of proof is on those who claim something new (like.. God is real). Most atheists just deny the human made claim that there is a god/many gods/etc due to lack of evidence in the first place. They don't make a new, original claim themselves.
>>700145806
Not religous myself, but they would answer "I don't know" religion isnt about knowing. Its about following without knowing. Maybe god has a plan, maybe its just to not interfere.
But nobody will ever know. Nobody can prove a god does or doesn't exist, so I think its fine to simply not pick one or the other.
>>700142782
If I had to guess the reason theres suffering is because without it we couldn't appreciate what it is to be happy.
>also name?
>>700142782
God doesn't want us to be happy, he wants us to be strong.
>>700147203
I've met several people who died for a split second and retold stories of experiencing life flashing before their eyes.
My aunt died from cancer and during her life in the hospital she saw the light and my uncle who passed away several months prior standing behind my mother.
Believing in good was never forced on me. It was a decision I made through experiencing beautiful moments.
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>>700147295
It's some Blacked video. Names kylie page
>>700147679
Those events have to do with oxygen deprivation and dmt release. So I'm informed
>>700147836
God is dmt. So I'm informed. I don't know first-hand although I'd very much like to.
>>700147295
Then why didn't god make us so that we had the ability to be happy without knowing suffering.
Also a quick reverse image search shows her name to be Kylie Page.
>>700142782
>thinking this world is what mattress
godless faggot
>>700147836
They are all on the same subject.
>>700148034
I shouldn't have laughed that hard at mattress but I did
>>700147965
Yeah for real i've heard many good things. That last for about 15 minutes, and continue on with you for life.
>>700147679
>good things exist therefore god is real
>bad things exist therefore... this also means god is real
I will never understand this logic.
God believes human kind don't have to rely on miracles to live life good. God knows human are stronger than that but 4chan has proven how weak humankind is
>>700142782
10% of the human genome is made up from endogenous retroviruses infecting humans. There are over 200,000 viruses hiding in your genome.
We are the result of natural selection and evolutionary pressures, such as those of viruses helping to drive our evolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvTmgCk1Lo
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1456821/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/12/141211141833.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150202081936.htm
>>700142782
Because god only supplied the initial materials of the universe before the big bang.
After that he sat back and drank a beer watching shit explode.
>>700147983
Thanks anon. And i suppose if you were only happy then you wouldn't be able to appreciate it as much since it would be the only emotion you would know. You need happiness to understand suffering and vice versa.
>>700148343
Because you're not open minded.
Big bang theory has no evidence yet is widely accepted as the way the earth was created.
Hipocracy when saying God is not logical because it's not seen nor evidence.
>>700148678
I'd like to see the logic that denotes that there is a god and that your particular version of god is the only true god
Nine million children die every year before they reach the age of 5. 17 children only under 5 per minute. Most of the parents of these children believe in some sort of God, and are praying to God for there kids to be saved. there prayers will not be answered. Any God who would allow children to die in the millions like this, and let their parents suffer like this, can either do nothing to help them, or can't help them. So he is either impotent or evil. almost worse, most of these people were born into the wrong culture, and will be going to hell because they believe in the wrong God. 1.2 billion Hindus will be going to hell if the God of Christianity is real for simply no other reason than the fact that they are polytheistic. Clearly, God sucks. Or more likely, he just doesn't exist.
>>700148495
Yeah but the chronology in the bible dates the creation of earth to about ~5000bc so how can that be true
checkmate atheist scum
>>700148678
The big bang is still happening, you tool. The universe is still expanding faster than the speed of light. The cosmic microwave background radiation is also further proof of the big bang.
>>700146707
so you are admitting to being a cuckold shill?
>>700142782
Obviously you've never read the Bible because God doesn't give a Damm son, he caused more suffering himself than anyone else in history just cause he was an edgy lil bitch
>>700149075
He linked 4 sources. Where's yours? Keep up.
>>700149049
*their a couple of times. sorry about that. this is paraphrasing Sam Harris' podcast episode "How to Talk to a Christian" https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/how-to-talk-to-a-christian
>>700142782
"Free will" is a fallacy if you believe in God.
A. God knows all there is, all there ever was and all there ever will be.
B. Therefore, God knows exactly what you will do in your entire life before you are even conceived.
C. It is impossible to have free will if your actions have already been predetermined.
>>700148678
The universe is expanding in every direction. This is an observable fact. If you go back in time far enough it is only logical to assume it all started on one point.
Granted, that is not rock solid evidence, but it is better than literally zero proof showing that god is real.
>>700149273
http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-1.htm
>>700149369
So then God is fucking pure evil for creating people that he KNOWS will burn in hell for all eternity. What a great dude worth believing in...
>>700149131
No, I just browse /pol/. Cucking comes up pretty often.
>>700149493
>http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-1.htm
>chronology
0 of 0 results
>>700149493
Yeah cite the bible to prove that what it says is true. Fucking genius
>>700149241
Biblical stories and literature are based on metaphore. It's the book to lead a better life. It contains life lessons and legends from jesus's followers. .>>700149440 ST peter created the basilica and there are records of this. St peter met Jesus directly as well as several other of his apostles. Proof also given by me and other people who experienced and met people who had split second flashbacks in near death experiences and people in their death beds seeing the light, passed loved ones.
Even this isn't enough for your ignorance
A never ending battle.
>>700150028
All the proof you need is within its pages brother
>>700150028
Yeah but cite sciencedaily to prove science is true lol.
>>700149493
>what the bible says is true, look it says so right here in the bible
Religious stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
>>700149854
so why would you need a picture? just admit to your shilling already scum.
>>700142782
>>700143846
he does if you can imagine it, what difference does it make either way?
>>700149369
this has got to be my absolute favorite meme argument
>>700142782
Well those deformed babies were originally killed, so that they wouldnt have to suffer. Now bitches spend 100s of thousands to keep em alive.
Truly the greatest torture i can witness. Libs give great tips on that
>>700150213
1. You and I could sit down right now and write a better book on how to live a good life than the bible. Hell, we could make one change, take out slavery. If the bible is just supposed to be a book on how to lead a good life, then it is a badly written, confusing book.
2. Anecdotal stories from you and your pals about flashbacks and near death experiences is not "proof" in any way. Have you read how inaccurate eyewitness testimony is? What about dreams? Just because I dream that I can fly, and the dream seems very real to me, in no way proves that the possibility of human flight is real.
>>700150213
You wanna really live a better life? Become accepting of others' views and open your thoughts to other perspectives so that you may help others through their struggles. There are more humans fighting through life than there are members of the oh so elite <insert your religion here>. A never ending battle is only being waged against closed-mindedness and you are the first pawn.
>>700144940
Why not? Do you not feel you don't have a choice?
Just because he already knows the outcome doesn't absolve you of your own poor choices.. You would have chosen your own path regardless, the fact that he already knows what choice your going to make is irrelevant
>>700150450
In case I ever needed a pic related for calling someone a cuck. Like if an american poster was being uppity I would say "back to the cuck shed for you, pic related" or something. It's not that complicated.
>>700145806
Go to the doctor for regular checkups.
>>700150304
Well I didn't actually, and the difference is I could cite hundreds of papers from hundreds of different researchers, all reaching the same conclusion.
>>700150706
Ok I'll just imagine all suffering away.
Wtf babies are still dying by the millions!
>>700150932
>Just because he already knows the outcome doesn't absolve you of your own poor choices
It completely invalidates any sort of punishment/reward system a deity might offer.
>>700151054
Not religious but citing the bible to prove true the bible is comically close to an advocate of science and research citing scienceandresearchdotcom. that was the only point to be made
>>700144379
except those 9 million children under the age of 5 that die every year in agony... Thanks for the narcissism
>>700151185
How the fuck do you figure?
You made your own choices out of your own free will
>>700150257
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>>>700150028 (You)
>All the proof you need is within its pages brother
It's not actually. Far from it. It's funny how an all powerful loving God who wants people to follow him and be saved would make people believe in him on such bad evidence. It's also a damn shame that he got really tired of performing miracles.
>>700142782
Well classic God (old testament) won't let you cunts into heaven anyway because I doubt you're all going to church every week and providing charity of the less fortunate cunts he also created.
Religion is the epitome of anthropocentric hypocrisy. I'd rather there be no afterlife than spending eternity with all my dead relatives..
>>700144789
Pain is a physical sensation(also emotional) that is done to notify one self that they being harmed and some suffer through it. The question is that why does an all knowing, all powerful God need to make it so that we would have to go through such periods of time of despair and suffering. If he is real than he either enjoys torturing his "beloved" beings or he just literally doesn't give a fuck about anything(There is always the logical answer that you know, he doesn't exist which seems to be the most likely.
Tl;DR: God is either fake or loves to see people suffering.
>>700151388
Only they're not in agony an longer.. and if the assumption of heaven is accurate they're actually a hell of a lot better off than we are here
>>700150315
To ask you for better life advice is a joke. And Ironic how you harrass my religion by trying to disprove it and suddenly turn the tables by switching roles.
This whole time all i've been trying to get from you all is "Okay do whatever you want"
Your "logic" is to make things seem the way they are not by claming "Oh so elite.." "A never ending battle is only being waged against closed-mindedness and you are the first pawn." Non of your scientific logic and reasoning in those sentences.
>>700150874
Near death experiences all revolve around christianity and expiriencing the graces of heaven and god. No one who's experienced death and lived ever said they dreamt they were flying with no purpous. They all revolve around the same subject of god and heaven.
>>700151470
So God allows people to be born that he KNOWS will fail, and lets them burn in hell for eternity?
Sounds like a good dude
>>700142782
so humanity has been on earth for about 200,000 years, yet we only have evidence of hearing about the jewish one 2000 odd years ago, was your god masturbating all that time or?
>>700150994
there is no need to spread more of that cuck degeneracy you fucking fag. there is zero need to even post images. posting porn like that proves you to be a shill.
THE END
>>700145806
To learn that you need life insurance you dummy. You never know.
>>700146750
>Until you know the answer to everything can you say God isn't real.
We can know the bible was written by men for men who very much disapproved of homosexuality but rather adored the occasional genocide and slavery.
>>700151646
Are you really trying to say that a young child dying of cancer is not dying in agony? Go ahead and grab that small thing between your legs and give it a hard twist. In 10 min, you might not be in agony but you sure as fuck will be for the duration of its effects on your body. Terrible logic, my man.
>>700151925
Why does cuckoldry trigger you so much?
>>700151840
Stop talking about things you don't understand
Children and especially babies are innocent and pure. God would never let the innocent perish for someone elses fault. Have you lost your mind? God doesn't control our fate he gives and takes lives.
>>700151840
Yes because he's the creator of all things and loves you dearly but you fucking chose to reject him
You just want to absolve yourself of being a shitty person who rejects God and blame him for it
How the fuck are you not getting this?
Wow, this thread completely surpassed the amount of cringe I expected.
>>700151937
>written by men for men
>changed repeatedly by men through translations and word of mouth
>revised over hundreds of years by councils of men to be suitable for cultural context (adding then deleting purgatory)
I'll go to church when God tells me to, not by weird cultist pedophiles
>>700152086
Thats not what i said at all you fucking troll and you know it
>>700142782
>If God is real, why does suffering exist
free will is a prerequisite for control. If there is a god, he is the ruler of nothing if nobody is able to resist him.
to put it in a more relatable fashion, if you use cheat codes/glitches in a video game to take out all the challenges that were put in there from the beginning, are you actually playing the game?
>>700152125
So who is to blame for congenital defects that cause death in infants? Or sudden infant death syndrome? Is it really because grandpops was an atheist. lmao
>>700144940
If he's knowing, does he know that I did your mom last night?
I'm going to assume we're talking about the Christian god, Jehovah.
>>700142782
Why should we have it easy? Just because He created and loves humans doesn't mean He has to protect us from everything that hurts us or hurts our feelings. Did your parents protect you from everything? If they protect you from all danger, how can you learn? I'd rather suffer and learn than be a retard who is spoon-fed everything.
>>700144379
>the tools to be successful or bad
tell that to the potatoes faggot
>>700151760
So nobody that has had a near death experience isn't religious? That's certainly not true. What I meant by bringing up dreams is that, clearly, my dreams are bonkers. I wouldn't take anything that happened in them as if it were true. And you shouldn't take near death experiences with any grain of seriousness either. Your brain has the power to create all kinds of illusions, as proved by dreams. What makes you think the illusion your brain creates when you're about to die is anymore real than a dream?
How would we know goodness and love and happiness without suffering? Perhaps suffering is a result of needing a comparison. Yeah everything could be perfect and that'd be beautiful but isn't it more beautiful to go through crap and become a better stronger fuller human being despite it all?
>implying suffering is inherently bad
>implying the suffering people go through is the worst possible suffering they could potentially go through
>implying God would want a world where he's the obvious choice therfore fucking with freewill
>>700152311
Okay, say what you're saying then? Suffering is okay because it ends and therefore once it ends it negates that it ever happened?
Such a question is enough for a simple minded person to realize that the consent of a God such as the ones given by most organized religions is stupid. Thats when perhaps we must start to think that god is not actually all mighty nor he is a good guy.
>>700151937
Again claiming untrue statments.
The bible says nothing against homosexuality and war is something that will never end because groups of people will always dislike eachother and one another. It's an instinct and emotion the same you attack people who believe in religion.
>>700152486
>implying there is a god-given point to experiencing happiness and goodness and love
"god's goodness" is a cock being jerked off in your face
>>700152546
>The bible says nothing against homosexuality
What the fuck are you talking about? Theres a assload of shit against in the old testament, god even nukes a couple cities because of all the buttfucking going on
>>700142782
silly nigger... god is great because god is great and if he's not great it's because god doesn't want to be great but he's great because he's great.
NOW THANK YOUR OVERLORD FOR LIFE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT SWINE AND IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE GOING TO BURN IN ETERNAL AGONY
>>700152452
>nobody that has had a near death experience isn't religious
never claimed that. I said people who have those experiences experience things around that subject of heaven and it's graces.
>>700142782
Why the fuck can't God and suffering exist at the same time? What kind of retard logic are you using to come up with that conclusion? Ever considered that God could just be a dick or not give a fuck?
>>700152113
Because I should be the one to take them back at my place instead of that fascist puppet.
>>700145786
It'll prove that you were strong enough to warrant yourself into God's Heaven
>>700152499
I'm saying our experiences on this earth are temporary and fleeting when compared to an eternal life.. yes pain and suffering now is what all we have and it is incredibly hard to focus on anything else.. I'm highly aware of that, but it's shortsighted when you compare it to a life beyond that lasts forever
>>700152125
>>700152196
Ok so if the God of Christianity is real, then billions of people are going to hell to burn for eternity simply because they were born in to the wrong culture, at no fault of their own.
>>700152113
Because fuck that fascist pawn I should be the one to take them back at my place.
>>700152369
How about you use science on that.
A normal healthy couple going through labor shouldn't have anything to worry about unless dad has aids or mom's been consuming things she's not supposed to or perhaps the child is not fully developed. Maybe even the couple doesn't have the properties to make a child. there are many explanations and God is not the enemy never is.
>>700152778
What?
If the meaning of life is not to love, to connect to one another have relationships, to grow, to enjoy, to experience, to give, to feel and to live what is it anon?
>>700153062
What if God's Heaven's a prank and you only get to fuck, eat, and sleep on deformed babies once you are there?
>>700153069
Most of the people on earth, if your religion is true, will be experiencing that pain and suffering for eternity for no other reason than the fact that their parents believed in the wrong God, so they did too.
>>700153069
You'd fold in a second with real life experience like going to a hospital and telling a dying child and its parents that logic. Come back and offer something intellectual when you have some experience with "this life" and not "the next"
If god exists then why doesn't he wish to have contact with us. A clear sign that there is a higher power wouldn't be that difficult to show if we meant so much to it. Also, what makes us so arrogant to think that we really would be created 'in his image' that my friends is a sign that the big sky daddy in the clouds is just a sad joke made up by men in desert huts somewhere for whatever reason.
>>700153296
This is not even remotely accurate. I'd like to see you go up to the parents of a kid with a disability and tell the parents it's their fault that their kid is like that.
>>700153318
to destroy, to kill and to suffer
>>700153111
Again, god gave us life and we do with it as we so choose. Our decisions are not Gods fault and his graces are open to anyone accepting god. God loves everybody so long as you are thankful, pure and love him as well. So no, followers of other religions that do good are evidently not going to hell so long as they don't comit sinful acts.
>>700153296
You think that congenital heart defects means that the mom is a crack head or the dad has AIDs? Holy shit, you are disconnected from reality.
>>700153318
Why must there be a meaning?
>>700153442
A eldritch monstrosity as a mascot doesn't sell your herd&skim plan very well.
>>700153636
> So no, followers of other religions that do good are evidently not going to hell so long as they don't comit sinful acts.
Like worshipping other gods? Get the fuck out of here
>>700145654
so why is nothing perfect?
>>700144379
He's all loving.
Thats the problem, he loves us for who we are, he loves it when we do good, he loves us when we do bad. He loves it when a fireman Dave's a life and he laughs when someone drowns.
>>700153636
What the fuck is an arrogant righteous saint like you doing in a place like 4chan?
>>700149075
The bible is wrong
>>700142782
Whether you are religious or scientifically minded i think its not hard to agree that curiosity is one of mankinds greatest attributes. It is curiosity that gives us our drive to pursue the unknown, to search for meaning and purpose. It is curiosity that has driven mankinds advancement, a perpetual quest for answers whether they be in mathematics, physics, medicine, and so on. However this curiosity is not always benevolent, advancements in nuclear fission, biochemistry, avionics and others have brought us to the brink of destruction.
Man was created without darkness in his heart, it was not untill the serpent tempted humanity that evil was born. If there was no evil then why was original sin born? It was curiosity, adam and eve desired knowledge and the garden fell.
Now im not expecting you to take the story literally, but if god exists then he is absolute and incomprehensible power. Mankind was gods finest creation, in a universe of infinite wonders and unending boundaries it was man that god chose to understand all of creation. We are not mere puppets, feeble toys created for gods whim. We were not born so that god could pull our strings and intervene to guide us like lost little children. We inherited the universe, billions of galaxies, and yet you expect more from god
> tl;dr straighten up and fly right
>>700152546
>The bible says nothing against homosexuality
Have you even read 1 Corinthians 6:9?
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/6-9.htm
>>700153590
What the hell. Nobody should do that. If anything it's important to help others avoid that situation. And care for the families suffering from cause and effect.
>>700148678
the big bang has nothing to do with the earth's formation (not creation)
>>700153828
Too creative for them and less selfish.
>>700153111
i don't know man, but if they heard the gospel and chose to reject it then they have nothing to blame but themselves
i do know a story about a reclusive tribe that was visited by missionaries looking to spread the gospel.. but when the missionaries arrived they found that one of the elders of the tribe had had a vision long before of a man who had died for their wrongdoings and they already knew most of the gospel
>>700153296
This is not remotely accurate
>>700153636
I got the wanker's craving and I simply cannot help put to indulge myself. Am I straying away from God's light?
>>700153771
I claimed other explanations and you would have known that if you'd read it.
Is it truely impossible to met an aggrement or neutrality?
>>700153636
That's not what it says in the Bible.
"He will inflict vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9"
2 Thessalonians 1:8
So let's say you are Islamic. Even if you know about Christianity, you aren't going to switch faiths because why would you? You obviously believe your faith is correct, and most everyone you have ever known does too. Thus, you are burning for eternity at no fault of your own, even if you are a perfectly decent person.
>>700153908
Because nothing is everything
>>700142782
Cause god is super triggered that you ate fruit from that tree he told you not to
>>700154172
i'll try and look the story up again
The answer to your question is in the Book of Job. Kind of.
>>700153888
thanks m8.
Because God made us in his own image. And just like most people, God doesn't give a fuck.
>>700153966
True.
>>700154340
Could you reply again with an actual answer?
Prefect socialistic are boring. Fuck up people are more entertaining. Be a pimp, get laid and make money.
>>700154424
i love you
>>700153595
Woah now that's what I call edgy
>>700153771
Why wouldn't there be? To me it all seems a little to purposeful you know. Things align so perfectly for us. Things are incredibly beautiful on this earth, have you seen the fucking sky? Puppies? Nature is phenomenally gorgeous. Our Earth is in a perfect place to sustain our lives and we're yet to find a place anything like it. Life seems very deliberate to me. To ignore beauty to me is to ignore the possibility of a creator and that seems a little close-minded to me. That being said I think you are meant to find your own meaning in it all.
>>700154585
Have his babies.
>>700153941
Somebody gotta help.
Maybe not force you to the right direction, but present it to you.
It also helps understand what the nature and human mind is like when all chains are unleashed.
4chan is easier than reddit basically
>>700154252
So children born with congenital heart defects, for example, are impure and not innocent as deemed by? A god? Not just any god but your god, the right god? That's heavy.
>>700154053
Actually you need matter for Earth to form. No matter = no Earth. Big bang gave rise to matter.
So yes, it has to do with Earth's formation as much as about potatoes have to do with mashed potatoes' formation.
>>700142782
t. someone who hasn't read the bible
Also, why does god need to test people? If he is all knowing he already knows what we would do.
>>700154267
Dude the point is God sent his own son to die on the cross as a blameless sacrifice for our own sin.. If you reject the sacrifice his son waged for you on your behalf... buddhist, Islam, Jewish, or whatever.. your ass is gonna burn
>>700154172
Man, use some logic. Suppose you were born Hindu, and everyone else around you was, and you believed in it for most of your life . Are you honestly saying that if as a Hindu the moment you hear the gospel and don't choose to follow it, it's your fault? Of course you wouldn't change religions. But alas, you're doomed for no good reason.
>>700154735
How would you rate your purchase on a 1-10 scale?
God is a sadist
>>700154857
HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE WRONG?
>>700154857
So, you are telling me that we should feel bad for a jew dying?
>>700154225
You are straying away from more than just his light. You succumb to primal instinct and lose self control.
Imagine having a perfectly good bottle of water. You can choose to drink it properly or waste it. As a masterbaiter all your doing is spilling it.
Wasting it.
>>700154612
>to me
Yeah, no kidding.
>it seems purposeful
Therefore there must be not only a god to have created it but MY god
>beauty in puppies and the sky
You're digging at the bottom of the barrel for a strand of logic
To ignore beauty is to ignore its existence without needing to assign your god to it. And if I am meant to find my meaning in it all then why must I follow not only a god, but YOUR god?
The idea of a god is increasingly irrelevant.
It was a way of explaining everything people didn't know.
>how does weather work, god does it
>where did humans come from, god made them
and so on
>how'd the universe begin, god did it
Now we know all of those things occur/occured naturally, with zero need for a supernatural deity, all while zero evidence appears for said deity even as we learn more about the earth and universe.
It's hardly a coincidence the only "evidence" is an increasingly old and questionable book from thousands of years ago.
God of the gaps and all that. The gaps are getting very small.
>>700154267
God is merciful. He is forgiving.
ST. Dismas is a good example.
>>700154915
Can do the switch on every other week? Is it okay if you book in advance?
>>700154695
NO
have you ignored everything?
will we ever reach an end?
Name one thing in the universe that can't be explained without a god.
>>700155095
I don't think I will drink from my life source anytime soon.
I need a pineapple regime before attempting again.
>>700154465
Give me a question that hasn't been explained already
>>700145865
for an ant a spider is an assassin, even with that spider is perfect for human perspective
>perfection is reality
>>700155204
I don't know dude, just make sure you call and let him know ahead of time, that's a good idea.
>>700155388
How about your faggotry, you smug lil shit.
>>700155417
Why is there no evidence for god?
>>700155551
nice dodge
>>700155324
So what is god's purpose for congenital defects causing mortality in infants? Hint: They aren't caused by AIDs or homosexuality or disbelief in god.
>>700155417
Do you enjoy Aneros?
>>700142782
Bad people die and get away with it. Get reincarnated as AIDS babies.
>thread
>>700142782
Assuming God exists, if He allows suffering, He is evil.
If he allows suffering as a path to enlightenment towards reaching Heaven, He is still evil. Because God desires the separation of those who deserve Heaven or Hell, yet people who deserve one or the other often love each other of the free will He granted them.
If He allows permits the suffering to those who are recently born to punish the misdeeds of parents, He is evil for using a third party for his own ends.
God, the all powerful, controls earthquakes and hurricanes to destroy entire ecosystems - not just humans. He punishes the many sinners for the unrelated sins of other sinners, which sows distrust.
Since the beginning, God condoned the butchering and enslavement of animals to sate the appetites of mankind. While Jesus can replicate any food, man himself was doomed to kill with increasingly little mercy.
>>700155615
thank you, that's too much
I wouldn't call it nice
I like to stay modest
>>700155581
There's plenty here
This is one
>>700150213
seems to me if there's a god he's indifferent
>>700155581
Because humanity is not ready yet
A just born kid cant see far than 2 feets
>>700155732
What kind of people have sex with babies? Is that like a never ending supply chain?
>>700144829
God made people, he could have made butt-sex build character. or just given babies all the knowledge/character they needed straight outta the womb.
malik get quads
>>700155847
None of that is evidence.
>>700155027
Conviction of the spirit
>>700155732
Oh so they DESERVE it! For what they did in their "past lives"!
Wtf i love god now.
>>700155766
you're placing rules and statments that are false.
God's not going to treat us like kings giving us only pleasures and conformity.
Life is a constant struggle for survival and we are constantly adapting.
You are just being ignorant and are ignoring everything you don't agree with.
>>700155979
Mysteriously, they were swimming in godly interactions thousands of years ago, when beliefs and knowledge were primitive.
>>700155989
The molesters get molested, if not in this life then their next. Karmic justice rules the universe invisibly
>>700156192
>they just should
What a weak statement
>>700156008
So God cucked pretty much everyone since the beginning?
>>700156191
It is and you choose not to accept it.
>>700156095
How about you try being open minded.
>>700156256
Yeah everyone deserves everything that happens to them. Every life is connected in an endless Samara chain
god or no god
>>700154340
this poster gets it
>>700156259
You're placing rules and statements that are false.
God does not exist. To believe in your god, the only god, god of the highest and almighty, creator of dicks fitting in ass, is ignorance.
>>700156300
but you need a molester to molest a molester, so with this system the number of molester never diminishes, it's flawed
>>700156515
like how your mom is connected to me?
>>700156484
No, it's not evidence. Anecdotes are worthless.
>>700156484
Look at your two statements. You say he is wrong, because you are right, and then immediately say that I should be open minded? Can you not see how illogical you are?
>>700156646
when you die you will become my mom or me eventually. it just takes a lot of deaths. everyone is everyone else
>>700156658
>Anecdotes
They aren't just stories.
It's proof.
The first man and woman sinned tainting the entire human race. We were all doomed from that point. All fail short of the perfect God. God is merciful and allows those that he calls to be saved. We are fortunate that we were not all wiped out long ago.
>>700000000
>>700156658
some anecdotes are just proven yet, they may be useful before a proper scientific method can be conducted
>>700156850
How are anecdotes "proof"?
>>700156850
Where's the proof they aren't just stories?
>>700156847
no I mean quite literally
>>700156715
That's exactly what this guy >>700150887 is doing
>>700156569
there have always been molesters. the flaw in your logic is that you think reincarnations are chronological. you could be reborn 500 years in the past. theres no end.
>>700156540
>God is real and he exists.
see i'm being ignorant like you
>>700156259
It's not false and it's not true. My entire post is meant to be speculative, just like the OP is speculative.
I'm ignoring what? I'm responding to the OP, is there something in OP that I ignored?
In a world with a God who is concerned with the collection of souls in Heaven or Hell and an eventual apocalypse, all adaptation is to that ultimate end. And ultimately, once you go to Hell, your free will is lost. When you are in Heaven, your freedom to comfort those in Hell is lost. When an armageddon occurs, you have no free choice but to die.
>>700142782
So god could have fun killing his son
>>700157005
she is dead
>>700156932
There cannot be any scientific method used on the nonsense in the bible, it's untestable
>>700157006
One form: I accept God, this one God and only. Everyone who doesn't follow is damned to hell whether they know it or not. You should just follow my word.
Second form: Accept everyone for who they are here and now and judge not (ehem..lest ye be judged)
Yeah, which one is closed minded, again?
>>700157169
Burden of proof lies with theists. Keep trying.
>>700156869
I'm Asian tho, the first couple are like white and brunette.
Why do I have to pay for white people's mistakes?
>>700157174
You're not being speculative if you don't even bother to find a solution or and end.
All everyone does on this thread is ignore everything i've said then ask the same questions over and over. The same questions have been answered.
>>700157304
aren't we all
>>700146521
This is why We need to get finished the bad link, the criminals, the imorals. So that the link could be better.
>>700156290
>Dindu nuffins thinks that every thing they cant explain is god will
Science and logic isnt god enemy, comprend that humans are just like a brease in the ocean of life is part of the acceptance of death, and I as human im gonna never comprend all the mysterys in this world.
Thousands of years ago people we more connected with themself, sometimes those ideas blooms with no effort for some pple.
If you spend all ur life being a mong and thinking about you, god, humanity, lifestyle or watever, u will problably going to answer more question than being a japanese studen crying about an A+ insted A++
>>700157307
maybe in far future we can go back in time and see if what's written is true
>>700144657
Niggers. /thread
>>700157480
>being speculative against current speculation isn't being speculative
>>700152113
Because alt-right neo-nazi twats who infest 4chan and other shit sites with their anti-enlightenment "Diversity = White Genocide" dogshit are all insecure privileged little fucks who never go outside, don't know how to treat women right, and haven't grown out of their 14-year-old mindset.
...and as a result, are scared SHITLESS of black guy dicking white woman because of a misleading YouTube video about birthrates in undeveloped countries.
>>700157563
You are the one who will be finished, boy!
Hi
>>700142782
because nobody likes to admit it, but god is a massive fucking asshole. in fact god is a mind controlling parasite
>>700157169
prove he exists
show some evidence
>>700157311
I've never said people not part of christianity go to hell. I said people who don't accept his graces and turn their backs on gods open arms go to hell. People who sin and are generally bad people. If anything I've never even judged any of you athiests or any belief at all! I've been giving answered that are Ignored!
>>700155110
You don't have to. You get an opportunity to. And you don't have to follow "my God". The concept of God is different to every human being even within religions and their denominations. But I reckon he's also the same. I think that God wants nothing more than you to get to know him but it has to be your leap of faith. If you don't want him that's fine but I think if you actually sought him and were ready for him you'd find he's actually a pretty cool dude.
>>700157835
>how to treat women right
you might want to change that to "how to be a nu-male"
>>700146521
god is in the mind of all humans. he does not yet exist. he is the pinnacle of our potential as living creatures. after the singularity, we will create Him in our image, and he will retroactively create the world in turn.
abandon your avarice
the end is nigh
>>700157933
prove that he doesn't exist
show some evidence
>>700157480
Why is a solution or conclusion necessary for speculation to occur? That is something different from speculation entirely.
You have to repeat yourself for different people. I haven't read what you specifically wrote, I don't know what you wrote. You're just fucking Anonymous like everyone else here. I am bringing up my own ideas independently of what you wrote beforehand, you self-centered prick.
>>700142782
why would suffering not exist if god is real?
>>700157438
God doesn't see you as a color or ethnic race. You are ultimately a descendant from the original human source.
>>700144829
Satan was and still is God's favorite
>>700157941
I don't think cool dude gives silence treatment to about everyone except the crazies and the soliciting folks
>>700158249
/thread
>>700157835
you're going to get memed at
expect all the usual insults
>>700158000
Coming from the author of "how to stay a virgin" that's rich
>>700157933
St peter created catholisism through will of god and jesus then created the vasilica that is now vatican. St peter met jesus in person. People have been to heaven through death experiences and people have seen the light and seen their loved ones on their death bed.
Everything is a product of free will. Everything. From starving children in Africa to those deformed babies. Where as it may not have been their fault, the baby wouldn't have been deformed if its parents hadn't had shit genes. If the mom fucked a black dude instead, woulda been fine. It was her decision to fuck that beta that caused the baby to deform.
Free will folks, it's all your fault anyways.
>>700158121
No, faggot, that's not how this works. You claim there's a god, you have to prove it.
No one has to disprove your claim.
>>700157840
We all will, but We need a world leader who have the courage to make it happen as soon as possible. No more crimes, no more lies, no more space to evil people.
