I just heard Donald Trump say Obama created Isis...
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I just heard Donald Trump say Obama created Isis...
>>698965726
He did.
>>698965726
He did.
>>698965903
Well that was a short thread.
>>698966034
FUCKING CHRIST.
He sure as fuck enabled it and didn't try to stop it.
Who else agrees with Trump tho?
>>698965726
yeah, Trump is right
>>698966113
Of course he tried to stop it. He opened up the borders to welcome them in as family. What more could he have done?
>>698965726
Where?
Yea there was something about the American government deciding to sell firearms to the people who supply the ISIS militants with weapons n shit, not like this totally hasn't happened before with the US. Come live in New Zealand, it's much safer.
>>698966219
At least Trump didn't send 400million across seas.
Everyone knows Dubya created ISIS in 2003 when he -liberated- Iraq.
Donald is a idiot. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot to.
>>698966300
That was just to show them how nice we are and how much free shit they can get if they come to the US.
>>698966146
naaaah
>>698966351
So basically everyone who doesnt agree with you is an idiot. Thats a rational stance.
Well, george bush jr created isis, but obama did not help things.
>>698966351
"Everyone" knew the world was flat for thousands of years too. I suppose because the masses believe, it becomes truth.
>>698965726
According to a PBS documentary "The secret history of ISIS", Obama have a great role in the formation of ISIS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-secret-history-of-isis/
>>698966513
I'm super smart. It's tremendous.
>>698966351
>You're an idiot to
>an idiot to.
>idiot to.
>to.
>>698966513
Donald trump is a very sick individual. I simply cannot understand why people can't see that..!
There's a fuckton more to it than that.
>Obama enabled but didn't create
>ISIS is basically Iraq's branch of al Qaeda
>al Qaeda wasn't able to establish a branch in Iraq until Saddam Hussein was deposed because Saddam killed terrorists dead
>The US got the ball rolling for ISIS (dammit Bremer) but can't take all the credit
>The Shiite and Alawite led governments can take most of the credit for causing the Sunni disenfranchisement
So as usual with Trump, kinda but not really. Pic's for him.
>>698966669
Now youre gonna tell us about your four digit IQ. And yet, here you are, wasting your great intelligence on the ass end of the internet. Good work.
>>698965726
>be USA
>dislike foreign government/group
>for geopolitical reasons be unwilling to commit to conventional warfare against said government/group
>that's ok, somebody else wants to fight said government group, we can just arm+train+materially support them! What could possibly go wrong?
>newly armed foreign puppets go rogue and turn out to be even bigger problem than the government/group we were fighting to begin with
The broken record of American foreign policy from the end of the second world war to today.
>>698966824
He's just bored, rich and baiting the world.
>>698965726
He did.
We keep destabilizing Syria so that Russia can't build a pipeline to the Mediterranean.
>>698966824
We all are. Your point?
>>698966974
your wasting your time dude, The Average American doesn't understand half of what you just wrote, because of homeschooling.
the other half, that go to college have no interest in foreign politics or history. Lib arts students dont care about your mansplaning.
>>698966206
WRONG. The GOP and the Republicans created ISIS.
>>698965903
>>698966034
>>698966206
>derp
https://www.quora.com/How-did-ISIS-form-When-and-where-did-ISIS-begin
n
>>698965726
Everyone knows bush did it.
>>698966057
Kektus, not anymore. Triggered train running now.
>>698965726
Put Reagan created ISIS
Isis is alqueda central 2.0 btw
Well they're here now so who cares. Just sit back and enjoy the global keks they provide.
>>698968677
Oh you!
>>698968709
Reagan created al Qaeda, Bush killed Suddam who was preventing al Qaeda from being in Iraq, al Qaeda created ISIS, ISIS rebels against the main al Qaeda cells which were weakened by the death of Osama bin Laden.
ISIS was founded in 1999 you mongs
>>698968891
If you go back far enough im sure some nigger can be blamed for the whole thing. And if not, we can invent one. Get rid the history books, put everything online and we can change history to make it whatever we want as often as we want.
All of these terrorist organizations have been created by republican leaders.
>lrn2history and lrn2google faggots
>>698968058
>your wasting your time
>your wasting your
>your
>*You're
>You are
Nice way to completely invalidate everything you just typed by looking like the insult(s) you used.
He is right though. America sucks dick because of all the decisions are made with money in-mind.
>>698965726
tbh, while Trump is gigantic piece of shit, Obama and friends didn't do jack shit until months after ISIL pretty much abolished the Syria/Iraq boarder and declared their own holy, clandestine litterbox.
>>698968058
Wait, are you implying half of America is hone schooled? Or are you implying our massively underfunded public education system is some how better than homeschooling? I wasnt homeschooled, but i learned jack shit in the public schools.
>>698968891
One could make the case that since obama was weak to act in syria at the beginning this allowed isis to flourish.
>>698968953
Yeah, but it was unknown until 2003. And nearly harmless until '04.
>>698969008
Yeah, you're totally right. Except for the whole history books thing.
>>698966974
This is exactly what happened in Afghanistan.
>Hate Russia
>Mujahadeen fighting Ruskie's in Afghan Rock hole? Sure!
>Train some of their best fighters to fight Russia (one of those guys is Osama Bin Laden btw)
> Beat Russians, HURRAY!
> No internal support, fuck you guys, we're not even bothering to come pick up our weapsons we gave you
>Taliban
~ 10 years
> USS Cole gets attacked
> WTF? We're bombing Yemen
~ 1 year later
> Jet fuel burns steel
> We're going back to war!
> Fight Mujahadeen now Taliban. Decide fuck it, fightin everybody
> Fight Iraq
> Fire entire army, send everyone and their guns to the unemployment line
> They don't like each other, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
> Convince the Sons of the Iraq to stop blowing people's brains out by giving them cash money.
> Pay, arm , and train Sons of Iraq to protect themselves.
> Obama enters office. "Nuri Al Malaki, you gotta take care of your own country. Iraq can't turn to America for money assistance anymore"
> Nuri starts beating, jailing, and just plain ol terrorizing Sheih (like the Sons of Iraq)
> Sons of Iraq say "where's my money?"
> Nuri "Fuck you, here's jail"
> SoI "fuck you, we're Isis now"
> Amerifags: better get our guns!
It's all one big cycle.
>>698969008
Easy there orwell
>>698969292
Homeschooling, at least where i did it, required you to complete the entire textbooks for each field, whereas when i was in public school we frequently only made it halfway through the textbooks. Not making any specific point, just thought it was relevant.
>>698969292
Yeah that was pretty retarded, only religious nuts get homeschooled.
I wish I was homeschooled my parents couldn't afford it though. So they gave me high dose amphetamines and sent me into public school. I've learned far more on my own than I ever did in school.
>>698969228
>>>698965726 (OP) (You)
>tbh, while Trump is gigantic piece of shit, Obama and friends didn't do jack shit until months after ISIL pretty much abolished the Syria/Iraq boarder and declared their own holy, clandestine litterbox.
ISIL THANK YOU, SOMEONE ELSE AGREED.
>>698965726
Well, Obama is friends with Adam Reed...
>>698969395
Everything is moving online. Before long it will be. Then some basement dweller with a history book will be screaming to skies and everyone will call him a misinformed, tinfoil hat wearing douche bag.
>>698969546
They are not isis
>>698969389
Sure, but it would be a pretty weak case. There were plenty of other nations involved in Syria, Russia included, so laying the blame at Obama's feet due to inaction would also result in the blame being layed at the feet of Putin and other world leaders.
>>698969481
Yeah unless you have one of those granola christian moms, himeschooling is tough tits.
>>698969521
Same here or at least a private school, but fuck that shit is costly. But you pay for quality.
>>698965726
He did.
>>698969436
This is relevant
>>698968271
>>DERP
>>>/out/
>>698966818
Was gonna write exactly this...but
>>698969551
protip: Bush isn't running for president.
>>698969597
Nah, fact checking in regards to history is still done with hard copies, and will continue to be done with hard copies for a very long time.
When paper printing was the new way to record information, people still checked what was chiseled in stone before printing it in books.
>>698969675
Inb4 Osama bin laden was the reason ISIL wasn't as big as it is now.
>>698969600
Not at the beginning. This was solely america's fault. They begged for help to dispose assad, and this was during the arab spring. We helped in Libya but not syria? We helped kick out and ultimately kill ghadaffi or whatever
>>698965726
What exactly is it you think was happening in Baghazi?
You still haven't realized Obama was using Benghazi to ship captured Libyan weaponry to Syria through the Turks?
Still haven't figured out that the weapons were being shipped to ISIS to take down Assad and remove an Iranian proxy from the space between Israel and Saudi Arabia?
Open your eyes, kiddo
>>698969758
I hope you're right.
>>698969551
I guarantee Obama's term was worse.
>>698966824
So you're voting for the mentally handicapped compulsive lying murdering sex offender excusing cunt that can't even run 2 email accounts let alone a country?
>>698969890
>fox news
Bush debt/spending vs Obama debt/spending
Trump only gained popularity because he was saying the same stupid shit every ignorant butthurt american was feeling. But he's turned the "say stupid shitometer" up to 11 and he's lost most of the reasonable republicans. Now he's just left with the radical ignorant right. Not enough to be president pal.
>>698969927
>Literally controlled by the DNC MSNBC, CNN, and other Shill networks.
Nice one retard.
>>698969999
checked!
>>698969999
>making election predictions in august
Wew
Checkd by the way
>>698969801
The beginning was a few years before Libya and Syria. A certain coalition of forces invaded a small middle eastern country named Iraq, remember?
It is obvious that America is to blame for ISIS becoming a thing, but as far as how powerful they are now? That was a group dumbassery.
>>698965726
He did
>>698969904
All those adjectives makes you look like a gigantic retard.
And yes, Hillary could be a convicted baby rapist and would still be an objectively better choice than trump on the basis that she isn't a climate denier.
>>698969999
69 96 +9999 quads
bruh
>>698970149
Nice bait bro.
>>698966853
Damn it Moon Moon
>>698969999
You get quads but are still persuaded by what you see and hear on the news.
>>698970087
Not at all remember the red line? We could have went in and made the area stable. Or more stable
>>698965726
I just read ISIS is retreating on all fronts.
What a clever plan that would have been, for Obama to destroy ISIS right before the election....
>>698970149
She's winning big time. Accept it. Get over it. Deal with it.
>>698970286
You realize you replied to a Hillary supporter, right?
>>698970149
Your best insult being "a giant retard" makes you look like a giant retard.
>climate denier
Instant autist.
>>698970189
>nice bait
Retard
>>698970362
He is a hillary supporter, so no.
>>698970149
Damn anon. Lethal burn.
I need some aloe after that and I support HRC.
>>698970367
What exactly is wrong with the phrase "climate denier"
Besides its not "climate change denier" of course.
>>698970410
Good response, hope you didnt overheat your brain on that one.
>>698970507
Retard
>>698970589
Outstanding.
>>698970149
Yes. Because opinions are much worse than 5 decades of a (Clinton) crime foundation.
You are a pathetic millennial. Please go join a BLM protest, stand in the middle of the street, and get run over as we show how much we care for your generation of weak pussies.
>>698970219
Like we did in Iraq you mean? The problem with that is that the US can only use a certain amount of forces without the need for a congressional vote. Which basically means that Obama was bluffing, because the US congress is traditionally either anticommie or imperialistic.
Unless it directly and majorly impacts us, or the politicians can be convinced that it does, a vote for military action is always scrubbed.
So basically the president would have been forced to utilize the USMC to try to stabilize Syria.
>>698970492
The fact that people use this as an arguement for why Hillary is a better choice than Trump.
>>698970286
Wow, she's pulling away fast. Trump should probably not do any more rallies, because every time he speaks he fucks up big time and damages himself and helps Hillary.
His latest bullshit telling gun fanatics to assassinate her, only brought her more support through sympathy and disgust, while causing him to fall sharply as more people wake up to the fact that he's a huge idiot, and should be sitting behind bars for making such comments.
>>698970631
I condem identity politics of any kind.
Go fuck your strawman
>>698970703
Explain yourself, how is that autistic?
Do you not understand our situation?
Obama created Isis by means of continuing bush's wars when he said he'd end them and then only ending them when things were at their most unstable. Obama pulling out of Iraq was the fan to the Isis flame and gave the movement the momentum it needed to flourish. And Hillary was complacent towards all of this.
>>698970239
It doesn't matter. The arab spring+Syria created the perfect storm of failed states full of Islam, weapons, oil money, and conflicting geopolitical interests that ensure nobody will get their own hands dirty cleaning it up. If ISIS is "defeated" all of those people will just fight for next asshole who offers them a paycheck and/or a cause. It'll be a new name, new headlines, same problem.
If you think there is any realistic chance of the entire region not being a bloodstained wasteland for another decade (if not longer) you're delusional. We rolled this stone in the 80s and it's STILL picking up speed.
Anyone else missing the USSR?
If Obama created Isis, Trump will probably create the 4th Nazi empire
>>698970631
Science denial is not an acceptable opinion. Ignoring an existential threat to civilization is not acceptable for POTUS.
>>698970885
>Do you not understand our situation?
Yes, the earth has been in a state of cooling for the past 30+ years.
Oh but... "oceans will rise by a foot by 2016, and tornadoes and hurricanes will increase in volume ten-fold" - Al Gore
>>698965726
>just
Nope. Old information. All credibility lost, Shillary.
And btw, he's right. Try to think for yourself once in awhile, sheeple.
>>698970631
>millennial
>noun: a person reaching young adulthood around the year 2000; a Generation Yer.
>first millennials were born in '78
Were you born in '77 jackass? Are you on here having your midlife crisis? gtfo faggot.
>>698970801
>I can't green text on b but try to write in 3rd person
>I can't understand that people have differing opinions than me
>I can't understand that if I write "go fuck yourself strawman" as an argument, that actually makes me the strawman.
Yes. Now your true millennial is showing.
>>698971102
>cooling for the past 30+ years
Holy fuck you are retarded aren't you?
Actual REAL scientists all disagree with your bullshit.
>>698970149
Climate change K E motherfucking K! Are none of you people old enough to remember how wrong the climate change people have been constantly throughout the past 25 years? What happened to acid rain from the 90's?
>>698971250
The specific ones you've cherry picked do anyway. Lets ignore the numerous ones who say otherwise and the altered data.
>>698970885
Because I was in school 12 years ago with al gore spewing the same shit saying "this is an emergency we need to take care of immediately." Now 12 years later, people act like today is day 1 of us entering an era of danger because of our climate. When in actuality, this issue is brought up in politics about every 10 years to shift political agendas.
This guy is a rapist / horse fucker spam him 9022255400
>>698971448
He seems like a cool guy.
>>698971405
>cherry picked
>85%
okay moron....
>>698971070
Dude. The world is not going to end anytime soon because of weather just like it didn't end when al gore said it would. Fuck off and buy some more tin foil.
>>698971405
don't bring cherry picking otherwise you destroy any mention of global warming being a legitimate threat
shillary created ISIS you baffoons
>>698971521
Where did you get that percentage from? You personally know all the scientists in the world? And of course, scientists are never ever wrong about anything.
>>698971102
But that's wrong you fucking retard.
Please PLEASE. Provide me with evidence refuting the scientific consensus that
1. Humans are emmiting massive amounts of gases into the atmosphere
2 these gases such as co2 and methane reflect heat back into the atmosphere
3 the mean global temp is on a warming trend
4. This warming trend is directly correlated to and caused by the previously mentioned greenhouse gases
5. This warming trend is causing the climate to change.
This is an empirically known causal relationship, this is not debatable.
But I would be ecstatic if you could prove me, the scientific method, and peer review process wrong. As I spend a lot of time worrying about this.
>>698971521
Oh shit, you just dropped a % in an argument. Now you gotta sauce.
>>698971596
eshplain.
Hillary will spy on everyone worse than obama.
>>698971558
>al gore
You mean 97% of all scientific literature regarding the subject
>>698970012
hes right tho
>>698971675
Please provide me with evidence that i give a shit. I dont care if the fucking planet dies. How exactly does that effect me? Gonna die one way or another, might as well do it destroying a planet. Like im a biological death star.
>>698971710
>implying that Trump will not
>>698971679
>explain*
top kek, how about you educate yourself? im not here to teach you, idiot. just stating facts to retards like yourself.
>>698971798
And I was the autist?
Fuck off retard.
>>698971102
Ocean temps say otherwise faggot.
>>698971357
> there are people this stupid who have access to the internet
>>698971798
>I dont care if the fucking planet dies.
How exactly does that effect me?
>>698971851
I am fucking off, and loving it. Also, my truck is currently running for absolutely no reason. Just trying to do my part.
>>698971710
Our governments been spying on us since atleast Eisenhower dude.
>>698971819
Yeah, alright faggot. You've stated your "fact" without any supporting evidence or explanation. You can go back to fucking yourself with your mother's horse dildo now.
>>698971798
> Please provide me with evidence that i give a shit
In other words, you lose. good work retard.
>>698971148
I don't think you get it.
You know how back in 77 feminist also meant "women fighting for equality of all sexes" but now it's definition has changed to equality for everyone but white cis males and anti feminists? Millennialis changed to. It's any kid born in the beginning of a millennium who adopts the progressive mindset of a left wing liberal and considers his opinion fact, and everyone else's opinion to be wrong, racist and sexist.
>>698966300
He sent plenty of American jobs over seas. He's a globalist and is with the establishment. Check out his tax plan
>>698971998
>being this salty about being wrong/called a retard
stop projecting, tool. have a great morning, faggot.
>>698972004
Hard to lose a game you are neither playing nor care about.
>>698971968
No you are just sperging out because you don't know what to do when faced with a rational argument.
>>698966566
It's nice to see someone else here that us not a sheep.
>>698966974
>>698966974
>>698966974
>>698966974
>>698966974
>>698972058
like chess with a pigeon. dunno why you're bragging about how dumb you are.
>>698972061
Nope, i just genuinely dont care. You could be right, i doubt it, but i am willing to concede that you could be. I just dont care.
>>698971357
No. They're not old enough. They're all obviously kids in college. The same ones screaming for a safe space.
>>698968891
yeah but Obama funded and armed Al Qaeda in Syria and let Shillary turn the whole fucking region into even more of a shitshow than it already was
>>698971919
Hey man, we were all supposed to be killed by acid rain 20 years ago. The ozone layer was supposed to be completely depleted 25 years ago. WHY ARE WE STILL ALIVE?
>>698972159
if you don't care, why have you gone to such great lengths to defend that you don't care?
People that don't care tend not to care enough to hit update every 3 seconds and reply to every criticism defending that they don't care.
You are in full on damage control and you are too stupid to even realize it. you can lie to yourself all day, but this is obvious to everyone else.
>>698972280
>Obama/Hillary funded.....
The House of Representatives (Republican controlled) handles the budget.
Educate yourself on how the US government actually works idiot.
>>698972280
Yeah, but at this point that's just a U.S. tradition.
>>698972011
In other words, if you're between the ages of 14 and 20, and have an sjws logic, you're a millennial.
>>698972398
>>698966300
Were talking about the guy who personally owes 100's of millions to the Saudi Arabian royal family right?
>>698969551
Shhhh. That guy didn't happen.
>>698972493
You have got to be like 19 years old
>>698965903
>>698966034
No, Bush created ISIS by invading Iraq. But we're constantly creating new terrorists with our drone assassination program and ridiculous imperialist foreign policy and Obama has certainly continued doing the same-old shit in his administration, so I'll give you that.
>>698972398
The ban on CFCs
Acid rain is still a problem in areas, ocean acidification is a much worse problem
>>698971357
Not an argument
See
>>698971675
>>698972550
Tbh I posted this to trigger people.
>>698972576
ok little man. Sleep well in your trailer.
>>698972613
Fun right?
>>698972667
Northeastern alum here, nice try child. You may as well drop out of whatever Junior College you're going to since the world going to end tomorrow from global warming anyway
>>698972607
You do realize that China and India are the biggest producers of emissions right?
Go do some research. Until they start doing something, anything we do is not doing shit.
>>698972444
Not defending anything, just stating the fact that i dont care, and nothing anyone says is going to make me care. Im mostly here for the porn.
>>698972667
That's not cool man, the only person defending climate change with science grew up in a trailer.
Why do you think it's okay to make fun of people in poverty?
>>698972813
Fucking this!
Once again liberal assholes not realizing the bigger picture of the problem. You can't just blsme everything wrong in the world on your country because they partake in the wrongdoing.
>>698972813
>But little Bobby is doing it too
>it's not fair
Literally the excuses of a five-year-old
>>698969228
Sure, I bet you be in the front lines getting ied dying by snipers or terrorist bombers. Listen we did good not Fucking going into there. Why are people so stupid to bring up Syria while the sit around looking at news for dead American soldiers
>>698972813
>all the other cool countries are doing it
Are we China and India?
Per capita USA emits far more btw.
>>698972491
Anyone under 16 right now hasn't had their generation named yet. And what do you call people who are 'millennials' but aren't 'millennials'?
I get the satirical bit, I do, but I think the word you're looking for is millennitard.
I like the moon.
>>698969810
Idiot go back to /x
>>698968953
>founded
Walt Disney was created in 1946.
Nobody cared.
Walt Disney World was founded in 1965.
Where would Walt Disney be without the funding that later created his empire.
You are apparently retarded.
>>698972964
>liberals aren't veiwing the bigger picture
>better is my reductionist worldview to divided a global issue down to the level of our constituent countries so we can play the finger pointing game
>that's the bigger picture
Kys
>>698972577
>All top generals advised Obama not to leave Iraq prematurely, country not stable enough
>Obama not satisfied with political legacy, does it anyways
>ISIS is born
Obama created ISIS and you're a misinformed idiot.
>>698973045
I wonder how many alien bases are on it though?
>>698972964
Dude you are the problem.
>>698966513
>>698966611
Gee this totally refutes the fact that ISIS formed in 1999 and the majority of its forces were drawn from Iraqi insurgents and the remnants of AL Qaeda
>>698973221
ISIS was a thing prior to our withdrawal from Iraq. Just wasn't as famous.
>>698972702
I mean, I thought this was Tumblr the way people are acting.
>>698973221
>All top generals advised Obama not to leave Iraq prematurely, country not stable enough
>E-e-everything would be f-f-fine if we just stayed forever
Yeah, good thinking, idiot. It was ALWAYS going to fall apart the second we left, no matter when we left. The only thing America knows how to give a fuck about is making a profit in any given situation. The United States isn't capable of selflessly helping a country build a stable, democratic culture or leading the world to a better future. The only thing Americans care about is how to exploit other countries in order to increase their personal wealth.
>>698972882
>Im mostly here for the porn
Well then fuck off back to your trap thread, faggot.
>>698973369
It was an insignificant thing prior to the withdrawal of Iraq, and wasn't even the same organization
>>698973493
Yeah I'm sure you're way smarter and better informed than top military and state department officials. Who would have thought some college kid on 4chan would have all the answers.
>>698971907
50 years out of 4 Billion years (which we do not have data for).
Denying that solar cycles play a bigger part in climate peaks and dips (proven by ice core samples), than CO2 does is flat out retarded.
Scientists have been told to go find proof that CO2 emissions are related to temperature increases. That's not how science is done. That's how politics is done. Science would ask WHY are the temperatures changing? If they actually studied that, the Sun would be a far more logical source as having the biggest influence on climate, not man. Yes, man does effect it, but the sun effects it more.
When scientists are told to do XYZ, then they go do XYZ because they want to continue getting their grant money in the future.
It's not hard to see this when you think about it logically rather than emotionally.
>>698972398
Ozone layer is fixing itself now.
>>698973312
ISIS sure as fuck wasn't a big deal back then
The Obama administration might not have created the original ISIS, but it sure as shit created the current iteration and led to it getting as big as it is now.
>>698972011
Is that a fact?
>>698973696
Obama's policies have actually helped restore the Ozone layer. Had we gotten another republican, things surely would have been different.
>>698973673
Obama is Osama
>>698973690
>climate denier propaganda
>>698973690
> what is the geologic record
>what is deep core ice drilling
We have plenty of data.
How about you point out any methodological error or fallacy in the scientific literature. If the scientist are wrong you would be able to easily prove it. That's how science works. You are attacking the character of the scientist and ignoring the science.
You are the one that doesn't understand that scientific method or the peer review process.
>>698972882
topkek
spooder man after trump!
>>698974022
Ice core samples show that the climate has been relatively steady with normal peaks and dips. There's no denying that. Our present state is not outside of the norm of what was taking place millions of years ago. There were no SUVs, or emissions during those times from man.
>inb4 dinosaur farts.
...and yes a group of cherry picked scientists agree that climate change is mostly man caused. However there's another group of scientists who believe that NOT to be the case.
>>698973673
I'm sure they did tell him not to leave. And I'm sure they wished we had never taken over the country in the first place. You're assuming they would have been in favor of Bush's idiotic neo-conservative plan for a new American century in the first place. Project for a New American Century - what a joke that turned out to be.
>>698973690
>>698974397
>man has zero effect on the environment and climate
kys
>>698965726
Yes, indirectly, he did. The precursor was Bush.
>>698973907
Pretty sure Obama personally had nothing to do with it. While arguing that yes another repub would've made it worse we will never know how worse. But the main thing helping the ozone is the eventual phasing out and all out banning of CFCs that Obama had jack shit to do with in 1987.
>>698972882
> I wasn't even playing. I was jacking off under the table the whole time. Please look at me...
>>698973495
No thanks. Call me old fashioned but i like my women to have vaginas.
>>698974510
>has zero effect
learn to read. that's not what was said.
>>698974510
Yeah, we'll actually have to destroy civilization before these idiots will believe in science. Why do people like this even bother having children? It would seem kinder not to.
>>698974397
What the ice cores and geologic record show is that mean global temp and atmospheric co2 concentrations of a correlated and casual relationship.
Still waiting on you to point out where the science is wrong. If you can't, you are a science denier.
>cherry picked group of scientist
>97% of all scientific literature regarding anthropogenic climate change
But
>50% of petroleum geologist disagree
There is no scientific argument refuteing the consensus, all the data on my side.
The only thing you can say to support your denial is "the data is wrong"
Please, answer this
>>698971675
More than Obama, Video kinda fucked us over in this area.
Al-Malik lost his election and his seat. Bien goes over the and talks about US funding and let's him keep his spot as prime minister.
Al-Maliki disbanded the Sunni militias and then sent the shia militias door to door in the middle of the night killing all the Sunnis in Baghdad (the population went from Sunni majority to shia majority in no time after he killed them all.
Sunnis then won a bunch of seats in the house, elected a new PM, but Al-Maliki changed the law so he could stay. Then fired everyone who knew anything about anyone.
So if youre a Sunni in eastern Iraq... why not join Isis?
Al-Maliki's reign of terror made Isis the power house that it is today. And when shit went bad, the US kept him in office.
So yes, Obama had a big part to play, but it was Biden who was over there fucking praising the guy who was a mass murderer
>>698973565
Only real difference now is the lack of oversight from al Qaeda. And a bunch more troops.
>>698973790
They were literally the reason we were still in Iraq. If they weren't a big deal then pulling out would've been fine. Also Bush started pulling troops out in '07. Hell, Bush is the one who signed the agreement with the Iraq government to pull out by Dec 31, 2011. And that was with knowing about ISIS.
So basically what Obama did wrong was honor an agreement made by Bush?
>>698969990
>first 90 months
ok now show both full terms
oh wait that makes obama look bad and you dont want that
>>698974940
Where it says video I meant Biden. My phone changes his name. (insert stupid autocorrect meme with some girls dad telling his daughter he fucked a pig or something )
he called them the jv team and didn't take them seriously
he didn't stop them, trump is a fucking idiot but there's some grain of truth to it
>>698975017
wut?
Are you retarded? 90 months is 7.5 years. Obama's full term hasn't happened yet, so therefore no data.
>>698975017
>90 months
>both full terms
I kek'd at the math fail.
>>698975017
You know Obama's been in office for only 91 months, right?
>>698974983
No. What Obama did wrong was refusing air strikes they asked for, telling Iraq they will continue to support the guy who was committing genocide, give arms to al-quada to fight Isis yet give practically nothing to the Kurds, and allow the Iraqi military to be run by people who know nothing.
>>698974892
>destroy civilization
you mean like giving all modern forms of transportation for horse buggies because they pollute less?
Obombo is currently funding and arming syrian head choppers as we speak that will no doubt turn into yet another terrorist group within 5 years. We will never learn.
Everything is Bush's fault
I heard it on the news
>>698975364
Inb4 horse farts
God tier trap sites? Pic not related.
>>698975465
I don't think anither good terrorist group will really rise. Too much civil war there. Too hard for any to gain momentum.
Isis will have to go away before we see another good terrorist organization.
I myself say fund whomever. They have to be better than Isis. Although I think the better route is to give Iraq to Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, and create Kurdistan Iraq. Split it into those 4 and make the Saudis give Iran and the Kurds some of the oil money
>>698975364
No, I mean like destroying capitalism and replacing it with a socialist society that has a sustainable level of technological advancement per unit natural resource consumed. The problem isn't technology - we need to advance faster. The problem is that capitalism is wasteful as fuck. We've burned through virtually all safely-useable fossil fuels in a generation. That's suicidal.
>>698973790
By fighting it from the first day? Do you have any actual evidence to back this up or is it just religion?
>>698965726
What a fucking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4ZF7Dd-_XE
>>698965726
Are we collectively dumbed down this much? I weep for the future if so.
Trump makes the valid point that Obama, with the attitude that ISIS was the JV of Al-Quaeda, facilitated their rise. Obama may disagree with my point in that he'd say ISIL but, that aside, he'd have no logical alternative to agree completely.
"I just heard..." Don't be a sheep. You might have to get away from Bernie and that crowd to pull it off though. And I say Bernie mainly because NOBODY is following Hillary or caring what she has to say...except "stop Trump" for some of you.
>>698969999
>Not enough to be president pal.
Trust me - Trump WILL get the popular vote. Every ignorant, angry redneck is going to come out of their swamps and trailers to vote against Hilary.
And you know what? The left only has itself to blame. If they hadn't coddled the SJWs the way the GOP coddles and panders to the Evangelicals, they wouldn't be seeing backlash at this huge a scale.
>>698975833
We need to advance faster??!!?? Do you not realize that for 99.9999999% of human kind we did the same shit. And in the past 200 years we went from plowing land with Ox's to having robot neurosurgery.
I think we're advancing pretty well. It's not a technology issue. It's a people are stupid issue.
>>698975579
Actually mass cattle production does have a significant effect on climate.
The problem is, is that climate change is only the symptom and not the cause.
The CAUSE of the real problem is that the earth is vastly overpopulated, and we need to cut our numbers down by 75%. Doing this will not only reduce emissions drastically, but will also stop other problems like raping the earth of it's natural resources.
I think we need to pass laws in all nations forbidding people from having more than 1 kid per couple. This should be enforced with strong penalties for breaking this law with the death penalty even being a possibility. Mandatory sterilizations should be done once a couple has their quota. This is something that all nations and the entire wold needs to work together on.
Denying this as the real problem with mankind, is having your head in the sand. Crime, poverty, and many other problems will also drastically decrease.
>>698965726
too much truth for you?
>>698976204
So if we want to take "global warming" or "global climate change" seriously.....
we need to get rid of the vegans?
>>698976204
I agree that the human population needs to be drastically cut, but good luck ever making that happen. Non-whites will claim its racist genocide (even though whites would be required to participate as well), Christians would say it's the work of Satan through Big Government, and the Muslims will claim it's a new Crusade against them. There would mass protest that would spill over into riots and all-out wars.
The vast majority of humans are incapable of truly long-term planning and vision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojcoKnTGf4s
And now you heard a retired U.S. general say that Obama created ISIS.
Really, it started with the Bush administration, (and the Bush administration before that,) back when it was called Al-Qaeda. It's been through some rebranding since then, but Obama certainly oversaw the New, Hip and Stylish Al-Qaeda, now called ISIS! <3
>>698975833
so you want a man-god to keep all us stupid children in line
who's job would that be?
>>698976172
>don't be a sheep
Why do most Trump supporters say something like this?
>>698976204
Mandatory child limits will only be followed by those who care about laws. The people we need more of...smart people...will have 1 kid per couple.
The people we need fewer of...welfare folks...will have that 2nd kid or even third before they are arrested on their warrant for breaking the law.
>>698975833
I agree with the destroy capitalism but I find that communism/socialism is also intrinsically unsustainable. As it leads to a state centric value system. I think the soild answer is a natural law/resource based economy as purposed by the zeitgeist movement. I have my own ideas that are similar but involve a resource based credit system, but I cant articulate right now.
>>698976192
"Fast enough" isn't relative to the past rates of social advancement. We advance fast enough when we'll be able to grow our civilization sustainably over an infinite period of time. We are currently headed towards a major social, economic, and ecological collapse, indicating that we are not advancing fast enough given the rate at which we are using up available resources.
>It's a people are stupid issue.
Yes, I've noticed. Which is why we haven't yet started a revolution against the capitalist power structure. Although it should be noted that it's not entirely their fault; capitalism has done an absolutely abysmal job of educating people, on average.
>>698976526
Come on. If you're on the Obama propaganda team you can't say ISIS. It's ISIL for you.
But be proud of that. It means you (errantly) think you're so much more intelligent than the rest of the world you can use your own term even when everyone else on the planet is in consensus that it's ISIS.
>>698976490
True, but is reducing couples to only 1 child really that bad of a thing? We would make our goal in only a few generations which would be better for everyone.
I agree that people would cry racism, or this or that because they will feel that it is a direct attack on them somehow. I guess a good war would help trim the numbers too, but going with a reduction offspring will help pretty quickly too without war.
>>698976526
Only defense I have for Obama is he didn't know what the fuck he was doing or what's going on over there. But it's his fault for not listening to the droves of people who told him his vice president was wrong, or the voice of the Iraqi people.
Post Bush and Pre Al-Maliki going crazy Iraq was actually doing really good
>>698976490
This is a solved problem...they just haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Anyone who has had any type of vaccine or flu shot in the last 25 years had already been secretly innoculated with one part of a two part drug combo.
At any time those in charge wish to do it, they can activate your death by exposing you to the 2nd part of the combo. This can be done in your water or by spraying it in your air.
>>698976711
>he people we need fewer of...welfare folks...will have that 2nd kid or even third before they are arrested on their warrant for breaking the law.
Mandatory sterilization and death penalties will help curb this.
>>698975833
Zeitgiest film fan with moderate rote memory in the house.
>>698977000
trips (full house) of truth?
sounds pretty far fetched, but sometimes fact can be stranger than fiction.
>>698976605
That's not what socialism is about. That's what the people who currently have all the wealth and power have told you that socialism is about. Actually learn about things and think for yourself.
>>698975833
We did it though. Numerous people have independently arrived at renewable energy sources that can handle the electric load of the entire Earth, sans petroleum. It was a rush to invent a new energy solution before society ran out, and it was successful. Many times over, and others will arrive at the same solution in the future.
Gasoline is *ancient.* You don't use gasoline because it's still the best energy solution known to man. You use it because your money is overseen by a Saudi regime, that owns your government. Nobody's going to cry a damn tear when the gas runs dry, except the Saudis, and their ilk.
>>698976625
If you don't know, you wouldn't understand an explanation.
Or, to use a different example from the animal kingdom, pigs don't know pigs stink.
>>698965726
WERE IS THE EVIDEONCE YOU HILLARY CUCK AND WHY IS EVERYONE BELIEVING THIS WITHOUT PROOF
>>698976928
>True, but is reducing couples to only 1 child really that bad of a thing?
No, it's not. To rational people like you and I. People who realize that humans are the first known species capable of taking the reigns of their own future and actively working to preserve themselves in the long term.
Third-world citizens and religious folks aren't there yet, and in the case of the latter, they have holy texts that can be interpreted as warnings against anyone who says humans are worthy of basic dignity as "worldly" hedonists trying to turn them against God.
And as far as a war goes, I'd much rather achieve things peacefully. Anyone would. I don't want people to have to suffer. I just want them to take control of their reproduction for the good of everyone.
>>698977000
Got any proof? (I'm serious. Please link me to any valid sources of this information.)
>>698976720
>I agree with the destroy capitalism but I find that communism/socialism is also intrinsically unsustainable. As it leads to a state centric value system
That is not the case; the historical circumstances in Russia led to the decision (which I do not necessarily agree with) to create a period of state-run capitalism to industrialize the country and create a proletariat.
My impression of the Zeitgeist movement is that it is an extremely vague version of some implementation of socialism that is afraid to call itself socialism.
>>698965726
America funded the FSA which turned into ISIS. They rolled into Iraq in fucking Humvees
>>698976720
Sounds a little like a variation of the bartering system.
>>698977059
No, I'm a socialist.
>>698977276
>WHY IS EVERYONE BELIEVING THIS WITHOUT PROOF
This is the United States. We have a fucking Creationist Museum that draws thousands of visitors every year. You do the fucking math.
>>698977217
I never said that's socialism
That is what your post describes
>>698977220
>You don't use gasoline because it's still the best energy solution known to man
actually it is
show me a battery with better energy density than a gallon of gasoline that weighs 7lbs
>>698969904
>So you're voting for the mentally handicapped
not proven
compulsive lying
absolutely not proven
murdering
not even close to proven
sex offender excusing
utterly false
cunt
well she has a cunt, so I will give you that one....
that can't even run 2 email accounts
yes she did run several email accounts, and dealt with thousands of emails - more than you ever get, basement boy....
let alone a country
yeah, just be a senator and a Secretary of State.
What are your achievements kid? You read infowars and jerk off to gore?
>>698977000
Original source of the information you're asserting?
>>698976895
Sure. Here's the full break down of ISIS, or ISIL, or Daesh, or Al-Qaeda, or whatever the fuck you want to brand it as.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mQ7e-xuV3I
He gets into the full genealogy of the group about 5 minutes in.
>>698976928
Population control is the gayest shit I've ever heard. That's what war and disease are for.
How bout if people stopped eating so much damn fish. Or didnt throw away 60% of their food. .
All these hippies shopping at whole foods and wanting the freshest veggies are killing the environment. I've been in distribution for a long time, past 14 have mainly been in food distribution.
We throw away sooooooo much shit because "this has a spec of rot on it" or "this onion is fine but the trailer it came on didn't temp right. Time to throw away 60,000 pounds of perfectly good onions"
Wanna reduce the cattle population? Freeze more meat. Reduce industrial farming? Tell the stores you don't give a shit how pretty the food is.
Each grocery store chain throws away enough food in a week on the distribution end, to feed 1,300 families a week
>>698977423
Ok, but that's even worse. Where did you study socialism and how long?
>>698969724
>Any refute point
>tell the other to leave
That's sure how arguments are won and to get your point across
>>698977414
Kinda, it involves a hueristic that can assign a numerical value to a products or service representive of resources utilized. I'm not sure if that is possible/implementable. And credit can only be used once. It's half baked and I am fully baked so I don't really know what I'm talking about.
>>698977581
had a concussion and stroke
lied about the youtube video that caused benghazi
excuses her husband
she doesn't know what classified means
ive never seen her kill anyone, so theres one point for hillary
>>698977511
I assume that a purely democratic society free from a ruling class will not decide to kill itself the way that the capitalist ruling class has apparently decided to.
>>698971102
>Yes, the earth has been in a state of cooling for the past 30+ years.
stale bait mate...
try harder.
>>698977483
We have 4chan that draws even more. Your fucking point?
>>698966818
Too
>>698977890
he said, while calling for mass sterilization and the death penalty for people who have two kids
>>698976928
>reducing couples to only 1 child
Who the fuck gives you the right to control how many children others can have? Don't want to contribute to the overpopulation meme, then don't have any children yourself, and save us all from spreading your stupidity.
>>698977765
Nobody that shops at a grocery store is an environmentalist.
Local food/home grown/ and hunting are the answer. GMOs Aquaponics and closed loop food production are the answer. Not consumerism, take all that shit you just said and throw it in the garbage, grocery stores as we know them will never work.
>>698966818
Kek
>>698977906
cooling counts as climate change.
it was cold today, we better ban all cars and kill all farm animals
>>698977984
My point is that people want to believe. They don't want facts. They don't want to be made to feel humble or stupid. Belief makes them an instant expert who doesn't have to cite sources, and that's a powerful feeling.
>>698971415
sorry to tell you that Al Gore was right - it was an emergency that we should have tackled then - or twenty years before then.
it is now past that. we have passed tipping point. we are now utterly fucked. unless we introduce something to massively increase the earth's albedo (reflective index - reflect the sunlight to cool us down) we are committed to massive climate change.
it s beyond emergency now - it is in to damage control. But don't worry, the Koch Brothers and the big republican donors and millionaires like trump will all be ok - it is just the poor and those in marginal climate areas that will die in massive droughts and crop failures and world food collapse.
>>698978079
Overpopulation is TIGHTLY linked to man caused climate change, where as CO2 emissions are only loosely linked. Overpopulation is also the cause of many other problems in the world. There is only a finite amount of natural resources and a finite amount of food.
Smartly reducing the population size will not be painful for anyone, nor does anyone have to suffer (if done correctly).
If you just want to let war, disease and famine correct the problem, then people will suffer greatly.
>>698971558
Al gore said it would be shitty in fifty years time - he was wrong - it is already getting bad now, a mere ten years on... he was an optimist - you are an idiot. if you think climate change is not happening, now.
>>698978336
>But don't worry, the Koch Brothers
You mean the ones that just endorsed Hillary? Those Koch brothers, who are against Trump?
>>698971622
you really need to try harder. your bait is getting staler. (that or you need to do some serious research... not conspiracy sites but actual scientific publications... you should be scared.)
>>698978011
Oh, we're throwing rationality out the window now? I guess you can't let it get in the way of a religious faith in the system you were born into.
Of course you said that children should be shackled to chairs and forced to slave in a sweatshop for the capitalist overlords - you just don't want to see a reduction in the level of exploitable labor units!
>>698978513
hallelujah
they must have seen the errors of their ways :^)
>>698966219
Underrated
>>698971968
try inhaling the exhaust - holocaust deniers say diesel fumes won't kill you - please, for science, do the experiment...
>>698965726
ISIS was created before Obama became president. When ISIS rebels started attacking the dictatorship of Syria, the US approved selling weapons and supplying ISIS to topple the dictator of Syria, because he committed war crimes by gassing his population.
The dictator then released dangerous extremist prisoners to join ISIS, filing is ranks with the crazy goat fuckers you know ISIS as today.
>tl;dr Obama gave ISIS guns before they went crazy.
>>698968891
You forgot the part where a certain secretary of state powerplayed for Libya against ghadafi, a gaffe that has caused the isis debate
>>698978598
>Oh, we're throwing rationality out the window now
i guess so
>>698977581
I could almost see the image of Bill Clinton...waving his finger in the face of America as he lied through his teeth...I did not have sex with that woman.
Not proven? That's right. It depends on what your definition of the word "is" IS. The Clintons have proven themselves to be seriously flawed and not fit for leadership.
And what are your accomplishments? Oh wait, you're not running for president so it doesn't matter. Logic. That's alien to your crowd. And I didn't call you "kid" because, if I happen to feel the need to insult you, I can do it in a much more elegant and imaginative way than that.
But don't be mad. Just put on that video of Paul Simon (the fat, old version) singing the empty lyrics to the now-dead anthem of the hippie generation (Bridge Over Troubled Water) as your liberal, socialist and communist heroes and leaders cry their eyes out because democracy is dead in the Democratic party. You guys screwed Crazy Bernie and it's going to come back on you and they all realize that. There's no fixing THAT and the crowd in Philly knew that as they cried their eyes out while representing you and your cause to America and the world. ;
>>698978748
trees love diesel fumes
in fact they live off it
>>698977511
>energy density
No. That's what I'm telling you. The advances in physics available to humanity renders that nonsense complete irrelevant. It doesn't even need to be about a better version of the petroleum engine. But, these advances can't make their way into a market dominated by the petroleum engine. They can't even be talked about, because that same petroleum market control (the Saudis, and their regime, who literally own the Federal government) also own the patent system, because that's paid for federally. Much of what you think is physically impossible is impossible because for financial reasons, not because there's any physical aspect of reality preventing its existence.
Have you ever heard somebody who's offended by the concept of over unity describe it as "free energy," and argue that this is impossible, because there's no such thing as a free lunch? That's a financial argument, applied to a physics concept. Think about that.
What laws of physics of yours are perpetuated because they are financially true, but not physically true?
>>698977392
What I don't like about TZM is its reliance on technology over democracy, I do like that it's value system is resource based.
the value system in socialism is anthropocentric and doesn't account for the natural systems we depend on, so there is still the scarcity driven consumption problem. Never been a fan of the Industrial Age "proletariat" rhetoric either.
>>698978176
Local grown doesn't work either. Telling me no one in new England can ever eat another mango or banana? Or can only eat peppers 3 weeks a year?
If everyone went hunting tomorrow there would be no more wildlife.
Also, a lot of the "Local Grown" stuff isn't local grown. Farm stands buy food from large distributors that get it from all over the world. As long as they have one item they grew themselves, they can say they are selling local food.
Farmers markets and mom and pop food stands sell their produce when it's in season, everything else they buy and resell.
Also, local butcher shops get their beef from Nebraska beef or the other big companies. Yes, some of their cows are theirs, but mostbend up buying and reselling from national brands to supplement their sales
>>698977670
I don't want to brand it. I want to fucking END IT.
We should give the Muslim nations of the world an ultimatum. If you're genuinely against terrorism as you claim, you will be the ones executing the ISIS members captured. You will assist in finding and capturing them. If you fail to do this, you are for terrorism and against us.
That makes it really easy. The only brand to remember is Muslim. But you liberals know deep, deep down in your heart that the good and righteous Muslim majority around the world will side with us against terrorism, right? So it'd never come to my scenario...unless, of course, you are wrong and they'd screw is in a heartbeat given the chance.
Side note, I find people who must rely on youtube videos for make their case to be far less credible. It smacks of intellectual laziness.
>>698978989
>there's no such thing as a free lunch
in other words; the thermodynamic law of energy conservation?
I'm all for free energy from the either or whatever.
>>698977835
>It's half baked and I am fully baked so I don't really know what I'm talking about.
Honesty. I can respect that.
>>698972398
Acid rain and climate change are two quite different problems. Governments took action to limit acid rain, which did cause huge problems in Europe - the black Forest and Norwegian forests were badly affected. so acid fume emissions from coal burning power stations were restricted, and the problem was solved. (also, acid rain was never going to kill everyone - so that is just hysterical horseshit)
climate change is a different problem - and one that will result in vast problems with drought in some areas, floods in others, harsher winters in some places, and larger more violent storms everywhere. you will be affected.
>>698978290
But not you, right? You run on facts, not beliefs or superstition??
>>698979448
>muh racist rant
>>698972804
the world will not end tomorrow. It will be warmer though, and you will have more severe weather issues. and millions of people will have to migrate... in a decade or two...
>>698978833
Throwing nationality out = naive idealism
Not insulting you outright though. I used to love Santa at one time.
Logical question....
Deforestation is a huge problem in the world today, with forests disheartening. Trees (plants) convert CO2 to O2. Why are we allowing all of these forests to be cut down and destroyed? We should be planting more forests to help combat the CO2 problem, not the other way around.
>>698972964
no one os putting all the blame on you or your country. just part of it. a big part, but only part. now man up and take responsibility, instead of saying "he did it too!"
>>698979379
You can eat dried or pickled peppers.
Shipping routes will always be nessacary so we need to streamline nanners and mangos where they can be distrubuted efficiently. Greenhouses and grow lights are a thing.
And I do belive that everyone should follow a strict ethical code as a consumer, I rarely eat outsourced food.
Of course hunting/fishing needs to be a well managed allocation of abundant resources that works from an ecological perspective. A free for all is not what I am suggesting.
If it's not local grown it's not local grown
You bring your own cow to the butcher or do it yourself
>>698979812
Ignorant and lazy reply. Exactly how, my ideaistic humanitarian friend, was anything I said racist.
And once you've failed to answer that, or have been utterly rebuffed by me when you try to answer, explain how your reply was anything but reflexive and completely lacking merit.
Go.
>>698980082
Scarcity driven consumption.
It's why capitalism will never work.
>>698973690
>Denying that solar cycles play a bigger part in climate peaks and dips (proven by ice core samples), than CO2 does is flat out retarded.
sorry, but the actual scientists that study this stuff say you are wrong. the ice cores did not show that. climate change deniers tried to manipulate the evidence to say that, but the real science the real truth, shows they are shills for the Koch brothers.
>>698979460
Any law of physics can only make statements about all the experiments that were known at the time of its making. It can't make any determination on experiments that weren't considered, or based on aspects of physical reality that weren't known at the time of the laws writing. All the laws of thermodynamics were made pre relativity, and pre quantum mechanics.
In particular, there's a lot of talk about singularities lately. What the fuck is a singularity, if not a violation of the second law of thermodynamics?
If there exists a way to make one-way directional flows of photons, then all you need to do is set up a semi-permanent one-way flow of light, and then any body of heat (like the ground of the Earth) will naturally distribute in an asymmetrical fashion, to which a classical sterling engine can be used, or whatever engine you like to produce intentional mechanical motion, without upsetting the conservation of energy. It's assumed that the lowest state of entropy of any system is heat death, but this is based on the assumption that all photon exchange is two-way, that there is no such thing as a true one-way mirror. You can still find physics texts which insist that there is no possible way to make a one-way mirror. Again, the physics which prohibits one-way mirrors were based with NO knowledge whatsoever of quantum states, or the time dilation that comes with relativity.
What is a singularity if not a one-way mirror? And apparently, astronomers are detecting those in our skies.
So either astronomers are wrong, or it's possible to create a machine where the lowest state of entropy is a form of usable mechanical motion that doesn't violate the conservation of momentum. It does what you design it to do, with the waste heat of the environment you exist in.
>>698980082
See >>698976204
>>698980349
It's not socialism, it's not capitalism, it's a population problem.
When will people start to realize that all of these other things are only symptoms, and not the cause?
>>698980349
Describe in detail the exact plan you'd put in place next January to replace it. Remember, details. Not liberal jargon. Not fantasy. Details based in fact that would definitely be better than capitalism.
>>698980425
>Koch brothers
They support Hilary Clinton and don't like Trump.
I guess I should vote Trump then?
