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Why are vegans so alpha?
>>698201646
No b12. Makes them crazy.
>>698201766
you can get b12 from some plant milks, some soy products and some breakfast cereals and B12 supplements.
>>698201965
Sure you can.
If you're a cow/rabbit/sheep/etc.
Idk they just are
>>698201965
Or you could just have the occasional piece of meat like a normal fucking omnivore. Vegans literally have to synthetically fortify their foods to make sure they don't suffer malnutrition.
>>698202172
I stopped going to /mu/ to avoid looking that piece of shit everywhere
In my experience most vegans are quite beta
>>698202064
and person.
>>698202256
nope
you aren't
>>698202528
Prove me wrong faggot. Name one plant based natural source of essential b12. Pro tip: You can't.
https://youtu.be/pn8Rd3efEqk
https://youtu.be/3qRd7-cbXes
Vegan gains is a pussy.
>>698202719
Nutritional yeast, and fortified non-dairy milks and cereals contain B12—just be sure to check the label
>>698203073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOqZ86OMag
>>698202719
Your meat get B12 from supplement, like vegans.
>>698203175
Delicious. Do you eat nutritional yeast for breakfast, lunch or dinner? I said natural btw. No fortified.
>>698203393
Even vegans don't give a fuck if some things they need aren't natural. Try moving the goalposts and strawmanning elsewhere
>>698203175
>Yeast
Not plant-based.
>Fortified foods
Not naturally-occurring.
Livestock are given some level of supplements, true. However, game meat and some livestock from certain vendors obtain their B12 the 'natural' way - by eating plants with some soil containing B12-producing bacteria.
Try again, faggot.
>>698203393
no, i eat all sorts of fruit, vegetables, grains and legumes w supplements.
>>698203562
>not plant-based
>not naturally-occuring
so?
>>698203208
God hes so cringe worthy. I bet the only pussy hes ever seen is his mothers unless he paid for it. Hes still an idiotic hypocrite. "Petty attacks that are beneath me." his videos have proven how ubtrue that statement is.
Vegan
Alpha
You can only pick one OP.
>>698203744
Well I don't need a single supplement. The jury is still out on the effectiveness of supplement intake anyway. I can eat a piece of flesh guilt free knowing that I benefit nutritionally and that my status as the evolutionary king of the jungle is confirmed. You're literally fighting against natural selection with your prissy vegan stance.
No one cares about your dietary choice, you still going to die, and no one still likes you. So even if you live longer, itll just be alone and miserable because you cinstantly feel the need to talk about how much better you are for not eating meat.
Also, hey guess what, the appendix was used to help digest uncooked meat, bones and hair follicles, and we have canine teeth.
Humans are designed to eat meat and plants.
>>698203957
i dont see what grade did that somehow debunked everything about veganism though. it was all just personal attacks on him.
Because we have the balls to act on our morals despite the challenges and social stigma that comes with it.
>>698204224
It wasnt about being a vegan because no one gives a shit about that. Only vegans do. It was about him being a piece of shit and a pussy.
>>698204036
>I can eat a piece of flesh guilt free knowing that I benefit nutritionally
what part of increased risk in cardiovascular disease, diabetes and death is a nutrition benefit?
>>698204441
The b12. Go fortify some cereal.
>>698201646
Alpha. lel.
Maybe there are one or two ripped vegan guy on the planet who can maintain his form with lot of effort and some superspecial diet. 99,99% of vegans are plain cucks.
An alpha is not bitching about minor problems like animal suffering or worrying about his health like a maniac.
>>698204318
>waah waah muh feelings
i dont give a shit about how words from a screen triggered you.
>>698204441
What part of increased pompousness, inflated ego, enlarged self importance is veganism?
>>698204519
how does increased risk in cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and death justify the amount of b12 you get from meat? i can literally get the same amount of b12 minus the disease
>>698201646
I'll let you know when I meet one who's alpha
>>698204036
yes, maybe fighting the natural seletion, but thanks to critical thinking and rationalism of our brains, developed by being the kings of the jungle. But long enough to start behaving otherwise.
>>698204692
Newsflash. Vegans get cancer too.
>>698204617
we dont pretend we know everything, we DO know everything.
we know that animal products are scientifically proven to be harmful to your body, and that we can get the same amount of nutrients from a diet without using animal products. not only would this save our lives, itll also save the unnecessary killings of many other animals.
>>698204822
i never said no vegans get cancer. we just have a less chance of getting it from our diet.
notice how i said "risk" in the last post you retard
>>698204856
oh fuck off you pompous cumstain.
>>698204614
Hypocritical much? All i did was agree with Grade for calling him out on being a shit person. Youre the one who seems butthurt here.
Also>>698204441 this
http://www.medicaldaily.com/vegetarian-plant-based-diet-genetic-mutation-cancer-risk-380079
Get off your vegan high horse
>>698201646
Vegan adobe gains
>>698204856
This is why Veganism has no chance of gaining mainstream attention. The proponents of veganism are in love with themselves. Better than everybody.
>>698204692
>>698204856
>>698204928
Read the article you uneducated buffoon. You dont know everything, you just think you do because you think you have a moral high ground here, but its not better for you, its a matter of opinion
>>698204984
>>698204856
We'll piss steak'n eggs on your grave, you nut.
>>698204928
Go eat a steak. EVERYTHING causes cancer. Haven't you read the latest 235 studies?
>>698204984
>>698205132
Check again.
This article literally only applies to people who eat alot of oil
"Those with an ancestral history of vegetarianism would do perfectly well, as long as they avoid some foods that are vegetarian but high in omega-6, specifically plant-based oil,” Keinan wrote in an email. “More in general, vegetarians in industrialized countries tend to rely heavily on plant-based oil, which is rich in omega-6, and can lead… to inflammation-related diseases.”
not just vegetarians, but some with an extra gene need to be careful. this is why we dont fucking slurp down PLANT OIL down our throats.
"The study is just one more example of how our dietary habits can change our genome. One of the most notable diet-based mutations is the human ability to digest milk. All humans are born capable of breaking down the enzymes in milk, but for most people, this ability fades once they enter adulthood. A genetic mutation that allows some people to keep drinking milk, however, is common among modern Europeans and those of European descent. According toBerkeley University, around 10 percent of Americans are lactose-intolerant, compared to 99 percent of Chinese."
How does that ability help Americans? It has made them fat and sick and destined to die of heart disease & cancer. Eating oils that we aren’t supposed to be eating has, too. We adapt to our environment, this study has nothing to do with people who don’t consume oil.
Because photoshop
>>698205145
ill be shitting my grains and oats all over yours once you die early of a heart attack
>>698205175
[Citation Needed]
>>698204441
>vegans live forever
>>698205621
i never said vegans live forvever, but that we scientifically have a better chance at living longer.
>>698205474
If youre not eating a raw vegan diet youre probably using oils. If you are eating a raw vegan diet i can post the negative effects of that too. Youll ignore it though because youre diet plan is "flawless"
Post a pic, i bet you look just as unhealthy as a meat eater if not worse.
Vegan gains just uses steroids.
>>698204856
>we DO know everything
Sentences like these make me happy because veganism will always be a joke in the public eye.
nice b8 faggot
>>698205605
www.google.com
>>698205691
The fact that you're left handed negates that. Don't try and lie either, you're all the same.
>>698205691
Lies. One of the oldest women in the world attribute her longevity to smoking fucking meth. If your family has a history of disease you lr diet plan might help some but you still have just as much chance to die young like the rest of us. Youre not a special little flower who deserves praise just because you dont eat meat. Grow up
>>698201646
and i thought trap threads were gay
>>698205727
i think youre implying from my post that i never use oils. i do to a minimum. if you want to get cancer from plant oils you would literally have to be just drinking them straight from a cup
>>698205733
i dont care what the ignorant public has to say. i can live happy knowing they'll all die earlier than me.
>>698205885
im right handed. whats your point
>>698205996
You seem to think being elderly is glorious? My mother is 80. She has dementia and smoked cigarettes for 50 years. She is in a home and fails to recognise her own son. I;d hate to think what her outcome was if she was a vegan.
>>698205996
Youll probabky be murdered before anyone in the thread dies because of your pompous attitude and your smart ass mouth.
And even if you out live us youre still a pretty shit person.
Also hows it feel to know that you not eating meat isnt saving any animals because a majority of us still do and you just have to sit there with youre shit food and try to talk it uo with shit no one cares about? Its pathetic man. Its real sad, i mean, i bet your parents dont even like having you over for holidays anymore.
>>698205888
i dont deserve praise. i never said i wanted attention from others.
and dont give me that shit about how i can die earlier just as fast as you can. if something can increase the risk of getting you killed (red meat, proven to be unhealthy), you shouldnt take the chances.
http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2012/12/11/neal-barnard-john-mcdougall-ted-talks-health-benefits-of-plant-based-diet/
>>698201646
Lol that vegan gains guy is obviously on roids. I don't know why they think they're so Alpha their just fags that don't eat meat kek. Like who fucking cares if animals are being killed in factorys? they may face a worse death by predators in the wild anyway the retards. And like someone said we're omnivores we need it....
>>698206257
Why? Because i want to live past 40? Fuck that im upset i made it this far. I think the only reason you care about living longer is because youre hopi g someday your opinion will actually matter, but it wont. We all die, ill enjoy the fuck out of my steak and cigarettes u til that glorious day of release comes. You can keep fighting it all you want but its futile
>>698203562
Not a vegan, but you realise that yeast is a fungus and therefor eating it is like eating mushrooms, right?
>>698206156
she probably has dementia because of the red meat she's eaten, kek
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265216.php
>>698206239
cool ad hominim attacks; they prove nothing thats wrong about my diet and its nutritional value
>>698206445
Well at least the source of her brain disease gave her pleasure.
>>698206445
Why because it raises iron levels in the brain? Eating enough bread and drinking enough beer can counter that considering that is kind of what yeast does to our body.
>>698206394
cool, why dont you go to somalia and join the nigger pirates where their average life span is like 30 or some shit.
>>698206571
it gives me even more pleasure that i dont have dementia, and that i have a lower risk of getting it unlike your dumbass gram
>>698206612
Read all about it; beer is healthy for your body everyone
>>698206567
No they dont prove anything wrong with your diet. Just your over inflated ego. Its hilarious that you think anyone gives a shit about you being vegan other than the fact that its obviously just made you a stuoid douchebag. I bet all your 2 friends are vegan too right? Because only other mentality retarded people like that could be
>>698201646
suicidal tendencies
>>698206696
I'm going to laugh my ass off when you are stricken with an arbitrary disease.
>>698201646
oh shit waddup its ya boy adobegainz over here!!
Isn't getting so fucking muscular the opposite of being alpha? literally the only thing I see here is the lack of confidence and someone trying to overcompensate by trying to become a bodybuilder. Sure, you shouldn't be a fat fuck for obvious health reasons, but there's a line you cannot cross without coming off as a fucking chav.
>>698201646
>>698206774
Actually,
http://sciencenordic.com/three-beers-day-keep-doctor-away
Moderation is key in a diet. Red meat and beer has benefits. Its over-consumption thats bad for you, you fucking autist.
>>698206790
you mad faggot?
the only reason why youre so pissed and butthurt about me is because im giving you unrefutable facts and you have nothing to refute my arguments with, but youre in denial because youve been living like that all your life and you dont want to accept that your lifestyle is unhealthy compared to a vegans, so you just spew insults at me.
again, i dont give a shit about what others think.
>>698206837
and ill be laughing my ass off when youre stricken with an arbitrary disease along with your diabetes
>>698206837
You don't understand- he said he's got a lower risk of getting a single specific disorder than you, which means he is invincible.
>>698206937
>>698207092
>im giving you unrefutable facts
>we dont pretend we know everything, we DO know everything
Kek
>>698207092
If you actually knew anything about your diet and how healthy it is youd know that it can actually kill other people. I can proved plenty of facts that proven being a began isnt the best thing you can do. Especially for certain people. Im not butthurt about youre diet, so it healthy for you? Big fucking whoop. Its not helping your shitty personality. So even if you have a healthy body your mind and soul are shit.
>>698207121
Implying that vegans can't consume excessive amounts of sugar. Is sugar not vegan now? My god. You really will use anything to feel superior.
>>698201646
Stinkmen are not alpha
>>698206657
>straw
>man
Vegan Gains likely benefits from good genetics and a good workout plan. Completely ignoring the fact that he's anemic as fuck and his diet of replacement proteins caused irregular muscle growth and likely elevated estrogen levels from all of the soy, he's a faggot.
>tl;dr eat meat or be a faggot
>>698206977
so youre defending your diet of killing tortured animals and having a risk of alcohol addiction (by the way red meat and beer dont cancel eachother out) then go the scientifically proven healthy way that doesnt involve killing animals?
cool, red meat and beer have benefits. they also have proven disadvantages too, unlike the food in a vegan diet.
>>698207233
>kek
nice argument wow, im #eatingthemeat
>>698205573
hahahahahahha
>"ill be shitting my grains and oats all over yours"
>>698207289
yeah, and if you knew anything about your diet then you would know it kills more people than a vegan diet.
also most of the reasons why a vegan diet kills someone is because theyre fucking dumbasses and dont consume the daily dose of nutrients in a day.
>>698207323
when did i say we cant consume sugar? sugar is completely vegan
>>698205834
this
>>698201646
he looks weird as fuck, nothing like epitome arnold
>>698204856
Who cares about animal lives?
>>698205834
underrated
>>698207656
Do you not know about diabetes? For fuck's sake. Meat doesn't cause all human ills.
>>698207384
why would he be anemic?
>>698207485
I could give a fuck about the animals. Like another person said on here, in the wild the same fucking thing would happen to them, but newsflash, their all domesticated species. They literally couldnt survive in the wild to begin with, and there are scientific facts about it being bad for you. Just because a vegan doctor rights a paper on how there are no bad side effects doesnt mean he completely refutes and disproves nonvegan scientist how have proven otherwise.
>>698207544
>hahahaha even though i died of a heart attack because of my diet i still win because hes not eating my diet
>>698207384
>increased estrogen
now i understand why vegans all sound like whiny girls
tfw i always put animal based products in my girlfriends sisters food.
a little milk here. a little bacon grease there.
"oh this taste really good!"
yeah im sure it does
>>698207739
if you truely dont care about animal rights, youre a terrible person. but i can still prove how an animal product based diet is unhealthy and harmful
>>698207758
>hurr durr only sugar causes diabetes
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/food-four-food-groups-that-raise-diabetes-risk-111313#2
>>698207992
>animal rights
>rights
>for animals
You are Fucking retarded
>>698207992
#AllAnimalLivesMatter
>>698207829
>Just because a vegan doctor rights a paper on how there are no bad side effects doesnt mean he completely refutes and disproves nonvegan scientist how have proven otherwise.
dude go learn some fucking english before you come back, i literally dont understand what youre saying here
>>698208139
didnt you hear? animals have a right to vote.
>>698208046
>http://www.healthline.com/health-news/food-four-food-groups-that-raise-diabetes-risk-111313#2
KEK.Number one is vegan.
>>698208167
exactly
Humans are omnivores
>explain canines and incisors
>literally evolved to consume meat and plants
Plus meat tastes good and I don't mind dying early cause this world is going to shit.
>>698208175
are you retarded? could be a comma or two in there but it makes perfect sense.
>>698208234
>implying all i eat is sugar
>implying all i drink is sweetened drinks
youre a fucking retard.
>>698207992
When animals have a meeting and write out a constitution get back to me.
>>698208255
it was a joke you fucktard
>>698208175
Literaly one word in that that could cause confusion and it consists of the same letters of the word it should be. Change the last how to who and it makes complete sense. Either youre a retard or youre just baiting because you didnt have an actual response.
>>698208302
>a vegan doctor rights a paper
>disproves nonvegan scientist how have proven otherwise
>>698207992
go bitch at the lion tearing the intestines out of a gazelle.
i ate 20 hot wings last night. all flats. tfw 10 chickens died so i could have dinner. im getting hard thinking about it
>>698202256
>vegans synthetically fortify their diets
>all animals that are used for meat are fed B12 supplements
>Saying humans are omnivores
>>698208371
So if a vegan doctor writes a paper that contridicts what another doctor wrote, with no solid evidence to back it, just his vegan opinion, his paper is the one that should be used when defering to the facts of the matter? You should jist like a christain saying something like, "well its in the bible."
Youre fucking retarded
>>698208371
now you are being ignorant
>>698208496
what are you arguing here? that humans arent omnivores?
>>698208335
>>698208328
>>698208461
so what this debate has come to is either you care for animal rights or you dont. Clearly the ones who dont care for animal rights are the good guys, right?
>>698207827
Anemia is often caused by an iron deficiency. Iron is better absorbed by the body when it comes from meat sources. Anemia symptoms include but are not limited to yellow (sallow) skin. The dude looks like someone dusted him with pollen.
>>698208496
1 and 3 are true. Number 2 depends on where you are in the world.
>>698208514
How am i lacking knowledge because i cant read your sentence which lacks knowledge in the basic form?
>>698208567
humans are not omnivores
>>698208513
you're right. if they have no solid evidence then those doctors shouldnt be taken seriously. i dont get what youre trying to say here
Wont read the whole thread but just letting you know;
A vegans diet is full with soy and nuts, fats, and artificial substitutes. All that is crap. Especially soy is a big issue, full with oestrogen and gen modified. Ao dont, just dont. On top of that your food tastes like shit so you splurt salt all over it.
Source; sticking to the gerson diet because muh autoimune desease
>>698208661
Explain how i ate your mother's meathole?
>>698201646
>Loser virgin vegan Atheist Anti religion Keyboard warrior
>"Alpha"
>>698205960
Undertated post
>>698208661
this is even too retarded to be bait
>>698208661
are you fucking retarded
>>698208595
humans by nature care for others and show compassion. if you do not you are abnormal and considered mentally ill in our society.
however if you have no compassion for animals and have broken morals you should still be vegan because it will benefit your own health and the planet
>>698208595
there is no such thing as animal rights. the world isnt all rainbows and fairy tales. nature is a mean mother fucker. a fuck ton of animals eat meat in a far less humane way than people do. there is literally nothing wrong with eating another animal. its sustenance.
quit trying to boost your little ego bitch, vegans are beta fucking pussies. I do have a question, do you feel less vegan when you're sucking the meatpole
>>698208787
Almost got baited myself
>>698208791
no i think you are
>>698208658
i didnt write that.
>>698208615
Cough cough
Drink parsley juice, its a bomb full of iron
>>698208730
Shoukd add that on this diet you get cod liver oil for vit a&d and b12 shots (yes!) Aswell as q10 co-enzime
>>698208615
vegans can get the iron they need from legumes.
>meat is better absorbed
citation needed
the dude probably looks like that because one of his parents is a nigger
>>698208595
Vegans dont really give a shit about animal rights either because i doubt theyre growing their own gardens to eat from, and farming on an industrial level destroys habitats worldwide. Not to mention the negative side effects on the entire ecosystem when you cut a chuck out of it and then spray pesticides all over the area that are capable of killing an almost endless range of animals.
Its not about animal life that just use that when theyre satisfying their own overgrown egos.
>>698208801
exactly
>>698201646
>>698201646
In most cases, they are the exact opposite of alpha.
The standard vegan diet is usually deficient in protein and B vitamins.... not to mention soy products have an odd way of decreasing testosterone and adding estrogen (true story, many studies on this).
HOWEVER, bodybuilders that have their diet EXACTLY calculated (every meal has the exact proportion of nutrients, proteins, and vitamins that they need) can get an extra lean and chiseled look from a vegan diet that's exactly tailored to bodybuilding.
Another thing to consider. Guys that look like OP's pic are JUICERS. This is not how vegans normally look, but when you're shooting over a gram of trenbolone a week you'll be a beast regardless of what you eat. Sure, your nuts will turn into raisins, you'll be psychotically aggressive angsty and depressed, your acne will go crazy, you'll get super hairy, your blood pressure will skyrocket, and you will be dead by your 40s....
I'd know, former juicer here.
>>698208661
the fact that i eat meat and do not get sick from it and my body digest it is in fact proof that humans are omnivores.
>>698208866
Checked
Also legumes are crap. Dried and sitting there, wasting their potential.
>>698208817
yeah, maybe because they dont have the intelligence to eat it the """"humane"""" way.
and yes theres something wrong with eating another animal. imagine eating a dog if you owned one.
refer to >>698208801
>>698208933
This dude knows what he is talking about, juicer here
>>698208821
>Hurr durr im so alpha
> because I EAT MEAT
>I have no compassion for those weak animals
When in reality
>I pay someone to breed and kill animals in the thousands
>these animals cannot fight, or escape. I have no involvement in their killing
>Once the animal is killed they are cut into pieces and packaged
> I walk to store and buy package of dead animal
>Alpha amirite
You are not alpha, a real alpha leads the pack, he stands against everyone else for what he knows is right. you pussies just think you are alpha, when in reality you are weak and you could never be an alpha
>>698208949
Beans are pretty good tbh, but with meat of course
>>698208801
humans by nature run the fuck over anything that's around them. conservation and animal rights are new ideas made up by fags to make their little bitch feelings tingle
>>698208946
What humans call herbivores can do that aswell.
>>698201646
>gets fit
>starts body building
>gets where he wants then drops meat from his diet
>becomes self-righteous vegan
>claims he get that way as a vegan when really he's just been maintaining what he achieved as an omnivore
there's more, but that's the main horseshit with this retard that bugs me the most
>>698208998
I'd eat a dog if it failed to offer me companionship. But it does. A cow, chicken, pig, turkey? Ain't done shit. Deserves to be eaten.
>>698208866
he he was bullied in school and figured id show them and just works out and drinks protein shakes constantly, while taking pictures showing "muh gains"
>>698208739
Pot to kettle.
>>698209035
is that what you have to tell yourself to fight the gag reflex. look at me I'm so vegan i cry if I eat a ham sandwich because my feels
>>698207214
He eats meat. That's why he's awesome.
This entire thread is infuriating.
>>698201646
Isn't that the guy that wants to murder people because they eat meat.
>>698209094
even if you have no compassion, you still should be vegan to improve your health and preserve the planet
>>698209034
obviously fits if you cant decipher what anon said
>>698209276
Vegangains wants to slam his feet through babies.
i would rather continue eating your animals friends and wearing their skins than ever end up an asshole like you
>>698209202
can you write that sentence again properly, so it makes sense.
>>698208871
some do have their own gardens.
also explain to me how spraying pesticides on your farm kills an endless range of animals
btw the meat industry also destroys habitats too.
http://www.takeextinctionoffyourplate.com/meat_and_wildlife.html
>>698209289
compassion and being a fag that won't eat bacon are two different things
>>698208949
thats just your preference.
>>698208817
There is nothing wrong with eating animals.
Beating them with shovels or setting them on fire for shits and giggles or skinning them alive and stomping on them for fetish videos?
Animals should have rights. The right to be treated humanely until we decide to eat them.
>>698209409
they are
Why go Vegan?
You feel bad about eat animals?
Nature intended for you to eat fruits nuts and veggies only?
>>698209137
yeah and somehow im the bad one for not thinking how you think. imagine how the public eye would feel hearing you say that
>>698209295
>>698209429
it is wrong to eat animals, because it is bad for human health, it is causing the most damage to our planet and it is very cruel
>>698209035
dominant species! dont recall anyone claiming to be alpha just because they eat meat. but i do see people claiming to be alpha for not eating meat. all vegans in this thread are whiny little girls. cut back on the soy. your estrogen is skyrocketing.
>>698209391
Pesticides are fucking toxic
Are you stupid?
>>698209154
>id show them
show what? your english is terrible
>just works out and drinks protein shakes constantly, while taking pictures showing "muh gains"
cool, so what?
>>698209457
Exactly. We have canines for eating meat. These dumbasses try to shame thise who eat meat but it's due to their feekings. Man the fuck up. Also, those who are vegan always have some mental and physical shit wrong with them. Fuck that.
>>698209391
I know the meat industry destroys habitiats but im not the high and mighty wannable animal rights activist here.
Also, theyre literally engineered poison. How do they not? Go feed a dog or cat some of your pesticide contaminated vegetables without washing it and see if it gets sick or dies
>>698208946
Humans develop heart disease, and clogged arteries from excessive saturated fat and cholesterol, which they get from meat.
Show me a carnivore that gets clogged arteries or heart disease from eating meat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2WuOqgl7j4
here is music
you listen
grunt
>>698209513
http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/plants-can-hear-themselves-being-eaten/
http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/ordering-vegetarian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands/
>>698208842
>>698209367
so what i can understand is just because a vegan doctor says this, then the non vegan doesnt get refuted instantly.
this is such a shit argument. i can literally use the same argument back, just by switching vegan and non vegan
>>698209613
m o d e r a t i o n
>>698203239
Yeah they give them lots of vitamins to help produce more meat....what's your point?
>>698209386
Do you have to tell your self these lies so the penis does not trigger reverse peristalsis during fellatio? I understand that you are a bitch who cries after eating pork products.
how's that, cupcake?
>>698209530
yeah theyre toxic, but please prove to me how just because theyre toxic, its killing an endless range of animals.
>>698209524
i dont even eat soy.
you want to talk about estrogen, then what about cows milk, that shit has so much but its fine right?
>>698209613
Were not carnivores. Were omnivores. Were suppose to eat meat and vegies in equal moderation you moron
>>698209412
Thats not true, im saying that legumes that have been dried before being uswd are crap. You will want fresh, living (plant foods if necessary)
>>698204441
What is moderation.
>>698209613
You act as if all who eat meat develop heart disease. Even vegans can develop health problems. To eat in moderation with anything is key.
>>698209667
>I cannot eat too much of this food otherwise it will kill me
>Clearly this is not because this food is bad for me it is just that I need to moderate my intake
Have you seen anyone get heart disease from eating fruits and veggies. Should we eat a moderate amount of fruits and veggies to?
>>698206937
/thread
>>698201646
>vegan
>alpha
Pick one faggot
>>698209701
I don't eat any animal products
>>698209633
im not even a vegitarian but that second article relies heavily on speculation and outrageous predictions
>>698209706
correct, nothing wrong with being vegan.
the problem is the vegans that want to force their ideology on everyone else
>>698209806
There have been people who have gotten fat off of a fruit diet. The sugars will blow a person up to obese status. It's a fairy tale to think eating just fruit and veggies are the way to go.
>>698209513
volcanoes release more methane and co2 in a single eruption than humans have in all of recorded history.
>inb4 source. googling it yourself.
>>698209713
Because theyre used worldwide by Monsanto to grow mass quantities of vegatables? That means multiple habitates and multiple ecosystems damaged, which means a shit ton of animals are going to be affected by it
>>698209851
please try to keep up cunt
>>698209588
i know pesticides are poison. thats why i personally buy organic vegetables.
but again, how is spraying pesticide on pic related somehow killing an endless range of animals?
keypoint: fence
>>698209713
Wind blows that shit around
>>698209806
Go try eating a shitload fruits and veggies in one sitting and see how you feel.
>>698209806
Literally any food or drink will kill you if you have enough...
>>698209633
So you are a plants rights activist now?
Plants can respond to stimuli, but they are not animals.
They have no nervous system, no way of thinking or feeling emotion.
And lets suppose you did value plants lives over animals, you should still be vegan because roughly it takes 20kg of plants to produce 1kg of meat. So that is killing so many innocent plants, not only that it is extremely wasteful of resources. Also that 20kg of plants could have been fed to humans but we have world hunger because people want to eat meat
>>698209926
>Volcanoes
>Meat Industry
.....
>>698204856
Do vegans actually believe that they are somehow saving animals? If they were born for food then they will be killed even if you don't eat them and even if it goes to waste. The other option is that they aren't born at all. There is no happy land where the cows you don't eat roam freely all nimbly bimbly.
>>698209429
I agree with this....
BUT you should know that everything in the US is factory farmed. You CAN get stuff that's not but it will literally cost you 3X as much.
And factory farms mean a pen so tight the animal can't move, standing in a 8" deep soup of shit piss and bacteria, chickens being in cages so tight they can't move that their feet grow into the wire mesh floor, male chickens being ground alive (standard practice in the poultry industry, they can't lay and grow slower, meat is tougher so they're killed after birth), animals fed massive amounts of antibiotics to counter the fact that they live in a fecal soup, unusable organs of slaughtered animals being fed to the live ones.
US animal farming practices are barbaric but it makes meat way cheaper than it would be in Europe (where it costs about 3X as much).
I eat the cheap meat too. We all do.... but it's hard to feel morally right about it. And I'm so poor that paying for the shit humanely farmed is not even in the question.
I work as a butcher so I see the animals that come in. There's a huge amount of broken bones and terrible bruising and injury. Guys that work in factory farming often get off on animal sadism, it would be hard to psychologically deal with it if you didn't.
So really, I give mad props to people that CAN do veganism (I cannot, meat is the best food) or people that make a point of buying humanely farmed meat.... but even that is hard to do. Often time meat that's labeled as "humanely farmed" is basically factory farmed anyhow and it's just a sales ploy. You really have to do your research to know who humane farmers are.... If you have a local farmer that butchers and sells direct it's probably the best way to go, particularly if you can look at how he raises his cattle/poultry.
>>698209858
how?
the second article uses the Ausfag farming practice where the land is almost as it was before farming and compares it to clearing the land of all vegetation and animals to plant vegetables etc. for vegans
>>698209772
what is not eating anything that is proven to be harmful thus reducing the risk of me dying?
>>698209757
yeah, i guess
>>698209915
99% of people will not get fat from vegan diet
>>698209548
do you really need the quotes in there to figure out whats being said? are you the same one who bitched about not being able to read what the other anon said? if you dont understand this post how to you understand all those abbreviated texts you and your faggot friends send to eachother?
>>698210039
20kg of otherwise useless grass or grain maybe.
>>698210057
Because they're retarded. In their heads they think all animals should roam around freely and we humans should eat only non living things. Fuck that. If they want to eat just grass, do it. Don't force it and shame those who don't.
>>698209926
I did google it. Natural CO2 was like 300 million tonnes a year. Human use was 30 billion.
So youre wrong
>>698210132
Bullshit stat. Try again.
>>698210004
>>698210020
Of course you are not going to eat until your stomach explodes and you die, but what I mean to say is. If you eat even 5% of your calories from animal products you will develop these diseases. You can have anything in moderation, yet the even if you have meat in moderation it still kills you.
>I can have heroin in moderation
>>698210039
vegan says only eat veg to stop supposed animal suffrage
vegan denies plants the same rights?
oh and humans can't digest grasses fucktard
>>698204856
Wow.
You're a mentally ill narcissist.
Sorta like a vegans.
I knew a vegan that couldn't kill an ant but had no problems beating up his girlfriend.
I knew another vegan that went to prison because he killed someone in a "liberation" bombing. You're all the same: crazy as fuck, and not in a fun way. In an asshole way.
Btw - this is alpha.
>>698210265
Sugar does not make you fat
>>698209613
ugh. proven fats pets die of heart attacks. im sure there is some autopsies down on animals that died. but nature is a bitch. when a lion dies its consumed relatively fast. when any herbivore dies its consumed fast. mainly because its good meat and nature doesnt let that go to waste.
>>698210355
Okay, eat just fruit and see how much weight piles on.
>>698205996
Prove it. Veganism is way too new, there simply isn't enough data.
>>698210278
>you will develop these diseases
nope.jpg
>even if you have meat in moderation it still kills you
nope.jpg
>>698209981
"Organic" is a fucking marketing scam. If youre buying it its not truly organic. FDA regulations pretty lenient on the use of that word for labeling.
And that picture isnt the norm worldwide, not too mention on the industrial level its usually sprayed on to the fields via airplane its not just sprayed on to the fenced in area due to the fact that wind fucking exists.
>>698209930
ok, monsanto does do that. ill give you that.
ill take back what i said about pesticides not killing a wide range of animals. fine. but so then wouldnt you not justify the meat industry, since it also damages multiple ecosystems?
>>698210278
So you're telling me, that if 5% of my diet is meat, I will guaranteed be diagnosed with a cardiovascular disease?
Well ain't that swell.
>>698210137
No it is not grass and grain.
Humans use approximately 65 million sq km of land for all of agricultural uses.
50 million sq km is used for animal agriculture and the remaining 15 for growing crops.
50% of all those crops are fed to the animals.
think of all the food, water and land wasted not to mention pollution.
>>698210057
unless everyone turns vegan.
>>698209730
but thats vegan logic. if you dont agree with me youre the complete opposite of me. they dont see the middle ground
>>698204856
You do understand that a couple acres of agriculture kills millions of rodents and birds (not to mention insects) and forces animals out of their native habitat?
What kind of retard are you?
>>698210224
>b-but muh feelings
if it brings shame to you, then why do you keep do it?
>>698210426
I would not recommend only eating fruit because veggies give you vitamins not found in fruits however eating only fruits will make you slim
>>698210527
It's bullshit.
>>698210396
which pets?
>>698210341
so red meat is 100% healthy and has no disadvantages to your health. wow your research has convinced me 100%, im #crazy4datmeat now
>>698201646
Vegan gains is such a fucking faggot it's unreal
>>698210605
You mock feelings but the reason you do it is because of your sensitive lil feelings. Classic projection.
>>698210496
you like being ignorant
>>698210630
Really will not but okay
>>698201646
No matter how ripped he gets, his punchable babyface always ruins it all.
>>698210453
ill introduce you to this youtube channel debunking what every non-vegan has to say.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2eKhGzPhN5RPVk5dd5o3g?&ab_channel=VeganGains
>>698210039
Im pretty sure world hinger exists still because of capitalism. More fruits and vegatables get thrown out by companies than meat because they dont sell it after it goes bad, and they dont donate it.
Its pretty pathetic that you have to blame world hunger on meat eating to further your ideals.
>>698210788
And he has a ugly fucking girlfriend but likes to mock other's looks. The bitch is disgusting.
>>698210667
dogs and cats for sure. doubt anyone has given their fish or hamster an autopsy.
>>698210527
no you are not guaranteed to die, just like if you smoke a pack a day you are not guaranteed to die. But why take the risk of shortening your life, when you can easily avoid it and it has so many benefits.
Being vegan is cheaper, healthier, more compassionate and better for the planet
>>698210856
is she? hahaha got a picture? i dont know who the dude is in ops image.
>>698204856
Well trolld
>>698210525
I dont have to justify it. I cant change the world by changing my diet, especially when the diet i could change to has the same effect. My point was that being vegan isnt an animal right activists choice. Its a dietary choice that only affects yourself. You cant justify it by saying it helps animals because it doesnt
>>698210843
45% of land used by animal agriculture. (ice free land)
50% of all grains used by animal agriculture in US
33% of fresh water used by animal agriculture
and I am deluded because its not animal agriculture, its these companies
>>698210843
Ahem, I actually agree that imperfect fruits and food at the expiration date should be donated....
But Venezuala would like a word to you on how capitalism is responsible for hunger....
Capitalism DOES offer the best chance at prosperity FOR everyone. Sure, it means that the wealth is distributed unequally, but that's just the way of the world. IN a pure capitalist society the best contributers (as in those who can make the best profits, not necessarily how hard you work, working smart often rewards both self and company better than working hard) have the most... it's the most just distribution of wealth that exists.
>>698201646
my experience:
1. most vegans are beta
2. most vegans are unhealthy people
3. most vegans have issues
i was a vegan for a year-and-a-half and i had no problems, but i didn't eat anything soy and i didn't stuff myself with beans thinking i needed the 'protein' or whatever. a lot of vegans have bad gas, smell bad and have bad teeth, skin and hair.
soy is not really good for people. even orientals only eat it in moderation and ferment the hell out of it first.
you don't need to take 'supplements' like B12 if you eat a lot of fresh fruit and an otherwise balanced diet
for most people, it is much healthier to eat milk, eggs and/or meat products, also, particularly if they're not processed half to death.
we evolved as frugivorous apes, but even our chimpanzee-like ancestors had started supplementing their diets with some monkey or other meat before we diverged from them and even chimpanzees today still occasionally consume meat. early hominid species had developed adaptations for eating tough roots, which we subsequently lost, so we lost our barrel chests, enormous stomachs and other traits that they developed in the savannahs.
as australopithecines became proper genus homo hominids, we started eating meat again and there were some very rapid evolutionary changes there. homo erectus was pretty much the benchmark that all subsequent human species branched from--denisovans, neanderthals and early modern humans.
our guts show adaptations to a partially animal-based diet ( much more so than chimpanzees, for example ).
the healthiest people in the world are groups who have a varied diet, but live in temperate, well-watered coastal areas with access to abundant fish ( particularly cold-water fish ), shellfish, land mammals, birds and fruit and vegetables. the peoples of northwest europe, the far northeast of asia and the pacific northwest as well as islands like new zealand.
their hair, eyes, teeth, skeletons and skins show robust good health.
How has no one posted this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_E3iMrq-UA
>>698210837
I swear youre either gay for vegan gains or you are vegan gains. So either way youre pretty fucking gay
>>698210755
if you dont agree with what a vegan has to say then why do you feel shame in the first place?
>>698211108
This is exactly why we know that animal products are bad
>>698210900
You know why I take the risk of shortening my life? Because meat tastes good.
>>698211102
/thread
>>698210998
so are you an animal rights activist then
>>698211065
Trickle down economics doesnt work. America is the best proof of that. Humans are greedy. Too greedy to allow someone to have a networth of even a million dollars and expect them to actually help someone other than themselves. The only form of captialism that could work on a worldwide level is one heavy regulated through socialism.
>>698211165
>not choosing to listen to someone because of something unrelated to that matter
>using ad hominim attacks in a debate ever
>>698201646
Veganism will never be as sustainable as growing meat and vegetables in a closed loop system aswell as getting animal protein through hunting/fishing. I don't care about animal feelings, I care about the environment.
Vegans can take their synthetic fertilizers and fuck themselves.
>>698210976
She is horrifying. I don't but just google, "vegan gains gf"
>>698211323
Fuck no. I barely believe all humans deserve right because of their own stupidity. Animals have the right to live just like we do, but that doesnt protect them from the nature of the world
>>698211418
>supporting the meat industry
>caring about the enviroment
http://www.takeextinctionoffyourplate.com/meat_and_wildlife.html
>>698211168
I think I forgot to put the key word "try". There's a preach-y bullshit thing some vegans do to others that is so fucking pretentious and is exactly why many hate them
>>698211441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGR29CipCsY
that nigger got dumped by a troll
>>698211413
So youre vegan gains. Because onky he would say something that stupid and hypocritical
>>698210998
btw it would change the world if everyone is a vegan
>>698211292
So you kill, rape, imprison and ruthlessly harm animals because you enjoy it?
You waste huge amounts of resources are promote the destruction of the planet because you enjoy it?
You will destroy your own health and promote the creation of new diseases because you enjoy it?
Animal agriculture starves our own species.
Anyway, I think that your choice is very wrong and you need to recosider. I like the honesty but you are fucked
>>698211573
She's
Hideous lol.
>>698203208
wow, he says that he don't like the voice of gradeaundera and then he dosn't bring any arguments. This video is nothing but a waste of 3 minutes
>>698211573
this is old and not true anymore, even if it was it takes nothing away from veganism
>>698201646
they have small cocks for not getting testosterone from biff and pork and red meat in general. they also get upset faster. it's proven that people with small penises get angry faster as you can see with vegan gains and every vegan that explodes with anger everytime you chalange their belives. it's basically confirmed that he has a under average penis. i would also call this post b8 because the only fit vegan is vegan gains and he has to be to have the ability to get girls at all as his skin is literally green. its really disgusting actualy. i would never only eat plants as my cock would shrink from the lack of testosterone and lack of females that want to blow it as chicks love dicks that are not green. also their shit is green to.
>>698211400
Trickle down implies that the wealthy are given tax breaks, grants, and subidies; that's not capitalism, that's crony capitalism which is a very different thing than a free market. I agree crony capitlism works as poorly as socialism (which are way more similar than you'd probably want to believe).
Without economic planning or intervention people will make themselves prosperous and part of that is by making others prosperous. Either you sell a product that people love/need at fair prices, hire people at a fair wage, you make people happy and they fund you (rather than making politicians happy and they fund you).
An unimpeded free market works best. The more people intervene they just sap cash away for the polital elites and connected class and away from people and the propsperity of the citizen.
Look at every socialist country on earth, they often start out prosperous until they run out of money to fleece from the wealthy at gunpoint.... then they're creating labor camps to feed people like venezuala, russia, ukraine, all of east europe a few decades ago.
Socialism does not work....
"Socialism works great until you run out of other peoples' money." Margaret Thatcher.
>>698211628
No it literally wouldnt. The onky change there would be is a higher demand for industrial agriculture which would result in the destruction of my ecosystems and the muder and eventual extinction of all domesticated farm animals because they would no longer serve any use and the couldnt survive in the wild. It would literally be the opposite of heloing them because at tgat point youd be destroying the literal reason they exist.
>>698211525
and of course because theres clearly nothing we can do to protect them from the nature of the world (people), we should just keep eating meat, right?
>>698211595
how am i a hypocrite?
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/
why would you eat plants? they have just as much rights as animals do. just because your intelligence isnt advanced enough to understand the intricate working of a plants sensory perception doesnt mean they dont feel or think. you think that plants dont have feelings or think because they cant run around or look you in the eye. thats a primitive way of thinking.
Most vegans go psycho
like look at vegan gains
he acts and looks like an angry child whos mom took his toy away from him
>>698211102
when agriculture developed, human population burgeoned, but people weren't as healthy in these societies unless they happened to be upper class with access to enough food and healthier foods.
what happens is that people wean their babies earlier, supplemented their baby's food with things like sweet corn meal made into a watery pap, malt meal or other grain preparations. their diets relied on carbohydrates instead and maybe on only one, two or three main crops ( as american indians did relying in north america on the 'three sisters' of squash, corn and beans ). such a diet was not as healthy and also famines were common.
they weaned their children early ( instead of a more traditional 3 years as had been previously practiced ), they had high infant mortality, lower life expectancy, showed bad teeth and bone weaknesses and diseases and were more susceptible to other diseases. their teeth and bones show the effects of oddly-spaced famines or lack of enough nutrients or carbohydrates. before, their teeth and bones showed a yearly, seasonal period of 'stress' where food ran short during late winter / early spring.
the only place in american agriculture where this didn't hold true was with the aztecs and the incas, both of whom relied on abundant and varied agricultural diet, occasional meat and had very careful storage and distribution systems.
both the heart of the aztec and the inca empires had a well-developed 'chiampas' agricultural system, artificially creating verdant farm 'islands' on the lakes, where they could harvest up to 5 crops per year.
the developed countries now are largely famine-free because of cooperative practices, a world-wide distribution system and irrigation to supplement water deficits.
unfortunately, much of our food is over-processed, carbohydrate-heavy and low in omega-3 and high in omega-6 fatty acids.
agriculture enables large populations, but we still often sacrifice our overall health as a result.
>>698211800
how is it not true anymore? was he not dumped by her? did this event not happen?
Im kinda fine with eating animals. Thats the fuckin natures way yku vegan niggers. The stronger animal keks the weaker one but who's the strongest? THE FUCKING HUMAN!
Im not saying that veganism is bad, but i think its okay to eat sometime a steak. The dosage makes the poison, or do you drink like 20 gallons of wafer a day because water is healthy?
>>698201646
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
>>698212010
ok, it is true but they are back together again. Some faggots relationship status does not give or take anything away from veganism
>>698201646
His gains would be so much MORE alpha if he wasn't a vegan.
>>698211865
The evolution of farm animals was literally progressed by humans to be domesticated and eventually eaten. So no we couldnt protect them from nature because theyre literally not built to live in any ecosystem other than a human made and human sustained one
>>698201646
I think you misspelled "gay", OP.
>>698205834
That person didn't die because they were vegan, they died because they were female.
>>698211891
Because youve insulted plenty of people in this thread and presumably any other agruement youve had about veganism due to the nature of what youve said in this thread alone. You hypocrite, who also lacks any able to self analyze
>>698211859
well the meat industry was already contributing to the destruction of your ecosystems too, so basically the demand for ind agriculture would equal the previous demand for meat.
i agree, industrualized agriculture is bad too. but you realize there are things called vertical farms too? https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129524-100-vertical-farms-sprouting-all-over-the-world/
>>698209613
except red meat is muscle, and fat and cholesterol is fat and cholesterol
>>698211776
well there you go, grade doesnt bring any arguments toward his beliefs on veganism. that was the only logical refutement he could have made. whats your point
>>698212134
it takes away from his credibility. once a beta always a beta
>>698212336
ive insulted plenty of people because they insulted me first.
well my arguments are fact based, but feelings matter more than facts, right?
>>698201646
I WILL STEP ON IT UNTIL IT'S NOTHING BUT BLOOD AND PULP!
vegans are literally sheep
>>698212342
Which cost too much money to actually be implimented at an industrial level. Also due to the structural intergrity would eventually have to be modified or rebuilt which cost even more money, and again, still would interfere with ecosystems and due to the altitude and the need for pesticides still existing, would spread poison further because of how high up it is. Not to mention, its a dietary choice and you can force people to not eat meat.
>>698212222
>other than a human made and human sustained one
Exactly. but some of those human made ecysystems (barns, slaughterhouses) are bad. and instead we should treat them like pets, like how we treat dogs. dogs are evolved to be domesticated like us and can only survive in a human-made one.
tfw ghandi was unsuccessful at being a vegan
OP if you are still here
What do you think about the paleo diet?
>>698212649
you dont know shit about economics so i wont take it from you, but ill remember that and ask someone who knows this kind of stuff.
i cant wait until some vegan kills her child with a vegan diet
non-vegan here; I think we should just accept that we're a selfish kind of life form and that not eating meat or not using animal products isn't gonna change that. Vegans might feel better about it, but it doesn't change shit.
on the other hand, I don't thing vegans deserve the shit they get, or even vegetarians. For instance, my niece is a vegetarian, and not the kind that tells everyone about it; but still most conversations she falls into are about the morals surrounding being a vegetarian. I literally couldn't be a vegetarian just because of that. Everytime people notice she's a vegetarian, the conversation is about being or not being a vegetarian. Must be even more fucked for vegans.
>>698209613
>>698212369
animals ( including human beings ) absolutely must have cholesterol to keep their bodies together and their cells intact. the human body itself manufactures far more cholesterol than we ever take into our bodies through our food.
there are different kinds of cholesterol, however, some of which is better for you and some is not so good, particularly in a sedentary person.
it becomes a problem with high sugar and carbohydrate intake, high sodium intake and processed foods. it becomes even more of a problem for us when other things like omega fatty acids are out of balance.
there are people in the world who eat a high-meat and/or a high-dairy diet and have no problems, but these people eat their foods in non-processed forms or by processing them with fermentation instead of relying on pasteurisation and other methods.
lunchmeats, processed sausages, processed milk and cheese and processed grains, food additives, etc. are not so healthy.
mongolians eat an extremely heavy meat-and-dairy based diet and remain mostly healthy. eskimaux have sometimes an exclusive meat diet--heavy in animal fat--but remain healthy because they also consume organ meats and have abundant omega 3 and have active lives.
