Give one reasonable justification for why you should be allowed to own a gun.
>protip: you can't.
niggers
>>697473199
Defense of your own home
Which is where it should say.
Carrying in public shouldn't be allowed.
>>697473199
guns save lives
im really now allowed to own guns cus i cut of one one my testicles with razorblades and was made a ward of the state for two days , now i cant own firearms
>>697473199
2nd amendment.. that's all i need nigger
>>697473199
Protection is why my wife carries one.
>>697473339
Your spelling is so fucking horrible I hope you get hit by a fucking train
I don't need to give you anything.
>>697473339
sucks to suck. buddy of mine who always wanted a gun since we were kids cut his wrists and spent a weekend in a psych facility and he cant get a gun now too.
They are a very entertaining hobby that just can be taken too seriously by people with an unstable mental landscape, just like any hobby can, except guns have more dire consequences of fanatics wielding them, we should just be nor carerful on ehi is allowed to have them
*who
>>697473199
hunting
In case the government just says fuck it one day and starts killing civilians/not obeying their own laws and just generally doing whatever the fuck they want
>>697473199
Protection both personal and property.
>>697473199
The right to self-defense
The right to protect yourself from a tyrannical government
The right to protect your property
The right to defend your home
The right to Conceal-And-Carry
Need any more?
They don't sell dove and deer meat at the grocery store.
>>697473687
so the penalty for armed robbery is death? why even have a court?
>>697473614
>hunting
>with a gun, not a rifle
Enjoy getting rekt by some wild hogs.
>>697473687
>>697473659
implying your pistols with restricted magazine capacities can do shit against the full force of the US military. topkek
>>697473774
You can't be this stupid. This had better be bait. Rifles are guns, dipshit.
>>697473199
"shall not be infringed"
>>697473809
that's why bigger guns should be allowed
BMGs for everybody
>>697473759
>Thinks someone breaking in to your home with a deadly weapon isn't reason enough to get shot
Enjoy getting rape murdered, libcuck
>>697473199
>the police take too long to respond
>it kills people who otherwise would kill you
>Its fun at the range
>you can hunt with them and help control the animal population so they don't exaust their good supply and run into the path of cars in search of good as much.
>if foreign invaders attack the country the people will be able to fight the invader rather than just take it lying down.
>if the government gets bad enough we have tools to take it down and not get slaughtered like the Chinese or Ukrainians.
There, you have 6 now.
Pic related. Its a submachinegun somebody can make with a still press and scrap parts totally bypassing any control laws.
>>697473199
>Give one reasonable justification for why you should be allowed to own a gun.
Because you are trying to tell me I can't.
>>697473809
Better than no guns
>>697473717
Yea that's weird, I can buy rabbit and duck at my grocery store Everytime but they only sell deer maybe 2 months out of the year but it's so fucking high the equipment to hunt my own comes out cheaper.
>>697473199
>home defense
>personal defense
>hunting
>sport shooting
>plinking
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>697473924
Same argument as
> we need feminism because men say we don't need feminism
>>697473199
Because it's a family heirloom
>>697473199
To kill fucking Dindus when Manson's enevitalbe race war happens.
>>697473916
*food supply
*in search of food
>>697473339
You have to be adjudicated mentally ill in court, a simple 72 hour psych hold by law enforcement doesn't qualify on the 4473 in most states.
>>697473892
>>697473960
I'm not sure about deer but I've never seen normal game at the grocery store. Even if I did, it's more fun to earn the meat through hunting. I'm a nerd and don't get out much so I need all the outdoor activities I can get.
They're fun.
>>697473296
>You can't shoot me
>This is a gun free zone
>>697473199
I'm with Jim Jefferies on this one. The only reason anyone can ever truly use is this: I like guns. The rest is horsepiss, made up arguments because "I like it" is a shit argument and you know it.
Protection? Yeah good protection locked in that safe of yours. Keeping it out in the open is irresponsible as fuck.
>>697474090
Do you shoot it any?
>>697474090
Nice. Hope you never sell it
>>697473759
No, the penalty for trying to kill me is death in one scenario. Anyone who thinks they are carrying a gun to protect their wallet likely couldn't draw their weapon due to it being slippery with urine.
They are also legally retarded and shouldn't own one.
>>697473809
Implying weapons and gear of lower quality being used by people with less training have never been able to win out against the opposite
>>697473288
Dubs is right. Gotta protect myself from the bruhs.
All the animals come out at night
whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal.
Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
>>697474152
This is a mom and pop grocery store they buy the deer from certain hunters every year that they know need the money.
>>697473199
don't need to child.
>>697473809
>Implying the US military isn't made up of people who wouldn't be trying to take our guns in the completely never-going-to-happen-again fantasy of another armed civil engagement.
>>697474350
thats pretty much exactly what i said, stupid nigger.
>>697473199
The same reason cops get them
>>697474424
That sounds fucking sick. I want a mom and pop store that sells meat from local hunters.
>>697474213
Every once in a while. Works perfectly. The serial dates to 1918.
>>697474226
Nah it's a keeper
i can shoot people if they try to get social on me
>>697473774
>spotted the nogunz faggot
>>697473199
Because i won't be controlled by babbies like you.
>>697474162
Also my pistol
>>697474447
That's what I never understood. I was in the military and would never think of obeying orders against civilians in any way.
>>697474162
the only real argument
>>697474208
>I'm with an ausroach
Please expat now
>>697474208
Takes me 5 seconds to open my lockbox and chamber a round. In my area police response is about 17 minutes. My guns faster than the police and more humane than the bat or knife I would be using otherwise.
>>697474208
It doesn't have to be either locked in a safe or out in the open. Believe it or not you can have them hidden *and* accessible. I have two, and I almost forget to clean and function check them, because they are completely out of sight and away from anywhere someone would rummage.
I also don't have children. It may blow your fucking mind to see a middle ground perspective, but it exists. Lots of people keep their weapons hidden in a closet or between the mattresses in a soft case with a magazine in it but with the safety on. If you don't have little versions of yourself dicking about in your house all day and night, you are posing a threat to 0 people that way. Until someone breaks in, then it's either a threat to yourself or the criminal depending on how shit goes down.
>muuh rights to own a gun
>the constition were built on old guns
>in old times
>2016 muticans can buy
>assult wepons
>fuckin mini guns
>spray n pray nigger guns
>BARRET SNIPER RIFLES
>no you have no right to have theese
>thank god i live in england
>maybe a few shootings a month
>mainly dinnu niffins
dinnnu nufffins should never posses a fire arm
>fuckin americunts
yaaaaawn
>>697474598
Love to have a 1911 that old
To shoot things
>>697474782
17 minutes? The police response is faster here in Detroit. Where u at?
>>697474714
I've always wondered what the military and police mindset on this was, it's easy to talk about taking people's guns when you're not the one that will be fighting them for it.
>>697474923
>Detroit
I'm so sorry, anon
>>697473199
why is this bait so lazy.
>>697474714
You're not the minority. People tend to see the military as a jack-booted rabble of storm troopers, when in reality they only get that way during horseshit military engagements like the last 2 decades in the middle east.
Enlistment includes an oath to protect us, the country itself, from all threats foreign and domestic. At literally no point are "the people" and "the country" able to be separated in that verbage. People break oaths, but I'd like to see how many would show up to take my guns and how many would show up to stop them.
>>697473199
Because you do not need a reason in The U.S.
>>697474855
This is why you're getting invaded. You're a bunch of pussies
>>697473199
The second ammendment, for one thing. Second, I'm a veteran of the armed forces. I work. I pay my taxes. My taxes pay for things that on principle I disagree with. I shouldn't bear the financial burden of people who weren't born here or who don't want to be productive. But I do. That's compromise. Because you have to bear the burden of your disagreement that I should have a right to own a firearm and there ain't a goddamn thing you can do about it.
>>697474923
I live out way out in the country on a horsefarm is why it's that slow where Im at. Also doesn't help there's only one cop on the shift between like 9pm and 6am
>>697473199
Sometimes murdering sandnigger children with tomahawks gets boring.
>>697474861
>>697474995
>>697475081
Soldiers are people. Cops are people. Some are insane, but they would never as a whole harm the people.
>>697475033
Not that bad most of the time
>>697473199
To shoot things, faggot.
>>697474995
Most cops would follow that order I bet. The ones I've known, all they care about is getting g paid
>>697475174
Ohh, makes sense
>>697474861
i'd love any 1911
live i a faggot county were i cant have one
have you seen the 1911 night hawk
i fuckin want to at least fire one
I own a gun because everybody else does. fucking uerofag-cucks
>>697473288
/thread
>>697475344
Come visit America. Hell if you come illegally they'll give you better benefits than if you become a citizen.
>>697473296
you can be in just as much danger in public as you can in your own home. how should we defend ourselves in the street when we are disarmed and the criminals are not? I for one do not want to bring a knife to a gun fight.
>>697474995
They won't make "Soldier" fight "civilians". They'll tell soldier he's fighting an armed uprising or insurrection and transport him and his unit AWAY from their hometown to fight in a part of the country they are unfamiliar with.
That disconnection, along with the "I was just don't what I'm told" mindset is enough to make most soldiers do it.
Source: am a soldier
>>697475033
kek
R8 my 1911. It was one of last sold here in Commiefornia. Got it earlier this year, 6 days before the state banned Colt 1911s. OP ur a faget
>>697475211
Hot
>>697474208
Hope Jim Cuntbreeze gets raped by a rabid koala and then killed by a croc.
>>697475532
9/10
grip looks kinda ugly otherwise perfect
>>697473687
right to own property in general
right of act free of other's interference as long as i don't cause harm to anyone
>>697475344
I've fired a Sig 1911 and the trigger was so smooth my cock twitched.
>>697475532
>>697473199
>implying I have to
You didn't put me in this world, nor did the government. I don't owe you shit.
And even living in a country where it's illegal to own a gun I still own one and there isn't anything you or anyone anywhere ever can do about it. Sit on that thought.
>>697475532
>idiot scratch
You disappoint me.
>>697473199
>Give one reasonable justification for why you should be allowed to own a gun.
Armed men are citizens. Unarmed men are subjects. Any other stupid questions?
>>697474711
Nice
>>697473809
implying vietnam
>>697473199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2nLefBgrbs&feature=youtu.be
>>697475532
>idiot scratch
please tell me it was pre-owned
>>697473296
No carrying in public? To let the sand niggers kill people? You fucking nigger
>>697473288
fpbp as always
t. yuropoor
>>697475798
This.
>>697474090
One pistol to rule them all
>>697475927
>>697475824
No it was brand spanking new and yeah I am a fuckin idiot. Cleaned her when I was drunk. I didn't have any ammo but it was still a stupid thing to do.
>>697475532
why would they ban 1911s if they are made from a 100 year old design??
>>697476523
Cause politicians are fucking retarded to the highest degree of autism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMzcpPMRHe8
>>697476523
California is facist and doesn't want people to have guns. They'll ban anything they can.
>>697476523
because California is fucking retarded. this little 8-round pistol i have here is now considered an assault weapon.
>>697474090
That family heirloom is fucking beautiful!
Go fuck yourself OP!!!
How's that for a reason!!
Fucking EuroFag!!
>>697473199
I think guns are cool and I use them recreationally the same way one might use a bow. Or I'm a farmer and its the mist efficient way to control the pest populations on my land. ( literally the only acceptable reasons, also ones accepted by Her Majesty's government).
Because fuck you, that's why.
>>697477023
>less crime
>better health care
>more jobs
>no fat people
>a real culture
sad amerifat :c
>>697477322
Just people getting run over by trucks
Or shot in the streets
Or having a priest get his throat cut
Or suicide bombs
>>697477322
just stop
I've already used my gun for self defense and my wife defended herself while I was deployed. Neither incident required us to open fire.
Sheriff approved, and told her to "drag 'em in the house" if she killed someone breaking in. We live too far away for immediate police protection.
>>697477449
That would never happen to any of us though because we don't leave our houses.
>>697477135
And this is why UK police have had to shoot something like six people (total) in the past five years.
>>697477322
>>a real culture
Not for long! It was nice while it lasted.
BTW niggers are the primary cause of violent crime in the US. Remove them and our rates are reasonable.
Gun violence between niggers is fine. They kill more of each other every year than the Klan did during Reconstruction. You should visit, wear blackface, and snuff a few for sport.
>>697477738
UK is the size of some US States and is mostly fucking WHITE. Race drives crime.
>>697473199
i dont own a gun, but if i am in need to kill someone I call my private hitman and all the problems disapear within weeks.
>>697477449
349 people in murica died by falling out of theyre bed this year.
Already more deaths than people dying from terror attacks the last 5 years in europe
>>697477825
lol UK is not white, all the big cities are full of black fuckers. and if you finally come across a town without blacks then the thank you come again people will be everywhere you look. And also Don't go to engeland if you dont like muslims
>>697477322
Thanks for thinking about us so much, eurocuck
>>697478074
well maybe they should stop having a fucking floor covered with knives sticking up!
>>697474782
Why do people always assume that there's folk out there that wants to murder them...
Burglars tend to steal stuff. They're not murdering you. Only Jason X would bother coming to a fucking horsefarm to murder you and your family.
I want a gun. Its because I'd like owning a gun. I'd be responsible with it and sure it would add to my level of security but thats not why I want it, its not why I need it. Using that logic you're better of installing a defribilator in your house than owning a gun, as you're more likely to die of a heart attack than some maniac entering your home with a machete.
You just like guns. The rest is all bollocks made up to ensure that you can keep your gun.
>>697477322
Hühnerscheiße
>>697475789
>dat longslide
>>697473199
>>697473199
How else am I supposed to scare liberals?
>>697473199
This is a stick up...Give me all your money OP
Because I want to. And I live in a country where I can do what I want
>>697473199
Not only are there not enough police to protect the citizenry, the police are actually not obligated to protect you from physical harm, they are however obligated to investigate so the courts can lay a verdict and sentence.
You as an individual are responsible for your own physical safety, even if your government outlaws the means for you to do so and forces you to pay taxes for a constabulary that is not obligated to protect you from the bad elements of society.
Don't be a faggot OP, get a gun, learn how to use it and service it.
>>697478377
Hunde popo
>>697474170
>You can't shoot me
>I have a gun
You're looking for a shield for protection.
If someone shoots you you can't exactly shoot them back can you retard? Guns are a deterrence, not protection.
>>697473809
Maybe I couldn't win a face off with the US mil or one of the numerous government kill teams but they do take days off. They like to go out to eat, they don't wear body armor in public, they stop to get coffee on the way to work - in short, you don't face off with them when they're ready, you make your retribution when they have a coffee in one hand and a donut in the other.
Who will work for the government when they can't go anywhere without armor and heavy weapons? Will their families enjoy it when they live in compounds because they can't be safe elsewhere? How many wives would enjoy it if they can't go shopping without getting mugged for being a fed's whore.
There are too many guns to change things now. That's how the founders wanted it, that's how it is. You might as well outlaw rain.
>>697473199
Because it is my constitutionally protected right, not a privilege. That's literally all the justification I owe you, nu-male.
>>697478416
its a government model so 5" not 6
>>697478873
Must be the angle, looks like a 6"
>>697477755
I'm gonna kek when you get fucked up and killed while your pos family gets raped and killed...that would be more than fine
If you are not man enough to kill someone with your bare hands or a sword you don't deserve to live on this planet, that's it
grow up americans, only pussies use guns for self defense or assault
>>697479092
>grow up americans
>americans run the planet he lives on
>>697479092
Can you make a small benis comment too now?
>>697479092
God created all men, Winchester made them equal.
Calling the men that stormed Normandy pussies because they had guns is such a lowly, slimy, faggot inspired comment that honestly I can't think of the words to adequately describe a sub-human like you. Enjoy reading the Koran, we're not going to pull your nuts out of the fire this time.
>>697473809
Implying that any government agency or military branch wants to march/drive into neighbourhoods filled with armed civilians, even if "just" ten round semi-automatic hand guns, deer rifles and shotguns
>>697479610
“Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal."
Get the quote right, pleb
>>697479623
who said anything about marching down the street? are u retarded? you know in the 20th century they came out with these things called tanks right? about 100 years after that they made these new grand inventions called drones, and on these drones which are unmanned they can launch satellite controlled precision missile attacks. and about a thousand other type of advanced equipment and weaponry the likes of which you american pleb citizens would not be able to match. get real fatty
>>697480220
>firing missiles in any city
Uh huh.
I guess the US military has defeated IS, the Taliban, etc. in the Middle East too, there's no soldiers over there anymore because they won.
Right?
.... Right?
>>697480220
shouldnt you be worrying about your own invasion you got going on? oh wait you dont have anything to even defend yourself with
>>697480530
>>697473759
The argument goes that if a robber is using a weapon to break into my house, they intend, or at least are willing to, kill, maim, or otherwise seriously injure me. If they intend to do this to me, I absolutely have the right to kill them in self defense.
Why do eurocucks and other people who don't matter get so butthurt about a country they don't live in having different laws than theirs?
Save your energy for finding housing for migrants, faggots.
>>697473288
Dubs have spoken
Why is this thread still going?
>>697473687
everything here.
>>697478173
B-but b-bradford is clear of niggo
Problem seems to me to be that musicians think that the right to own a gun is inalienable because some guys said 'muricans should be able bear arms a couple of hundred years ago. It's not inalienable - if it were it'd be in the UNHCR.
Also; only an American would answer the question of how to solve gun crime by saying "With guns.... But only in the hands of the sensible people"
>>697481590
>guns in the hands of sensible people
That's oxymoron right there!
>>697481744
Found the Eurocuck
>>697481590
>unhcr
too much troll right there. you got to keep it subtle and somewhat believable
>>697475798
This
Outlaw guns and make me an outlaw
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>697481147
1st not everyone saying they are from a european country actually is
2nd anti american sentiments in left- and rightwing groups. in the leftwinger's mind gunownership is connected to the american image and therefor bad.
>>697481590
>It's not inalienable - if it were it'd be in the UNHCR.
The reason your country is so fucking cucked. This is why we run things and you don't. You were bred to be a follower.
these threads in general
>>697474208
I'll take biometric nightstand vaults for when you're asleep that take 1 second to open and carrying constantly when you're not asleep for 1000 Alex.
>>697473199
To kill myself you stupid faggot.
>>697473288
Fpbp and dubs to solidify it, fuck off OP.
Because sometimes they're family heirlooms
>>697481859
>you were bred to be a follower.
Which is why my country just said "no thank you, we'd rather fuck off" to Europe.
>>697474855
>thank god I live in England
You're opinion has been discarded
I worked my ass off to get some acres and a house and to fill it with things I love that enhance my life and make it worth living.
So if Jamal decides he wants to break into my place, steal my hard-earned shit, and possibly hurt me in the process, it's nice to know that I have the right to own a tool witch which I can defend myself with minimal risk to my person.
If I'm lucky, Jamal will be spooked by the sound of the gun being cocked and flee. If not, I'll have to end his life or seriously hurt him. But that's his decision, not mine.
>>697482248
so you're pro brexit but anti gun?
>>697481859
> Murica runs things,
Pretty much the only things America runs these days is the movie industry.
>>697473659
>In case the government just says fuck it one day and starts killing civilians
Why should the government do that?
>>697482334
The only sound that Jamal should hear as a warning is over 120 decibels.
Preferably enough times that there is no need for a trial for him.
>>697473199
So I can shoot stuff
Because I'm a free human being with rights to do as I please and I'm not obligated to listen to any bullshit government that thinks it can tell me otherwise.
>>697482521
Remove American bases/troops/navies from the board and watch the world economy collapse due to literal piracy and localized wars. You might be too young, poor and stupid to realize this but America's existence is the only thing safeguarding the standard of living for western civilization.
>>697476523
If it's the same reasoning for banning my 6+1 Glock 43 it's because there are parts that aren't serialized with a laser etched pattern. My guns brand new and its banned because the firing pin isn't serialized
>>697474208
>Yeah good protection locked in that safe of yours. Keeping it out in the open is irresponsible as fuck.
Actually if you look at quite a few celebrities that came out in favor of gun control they were the type that use to be pro-guns and left them out laying around their house because they were afraid of getting to it in time for protection. It's now around now that people like stephen king, there is one musician from the 80's I'm thinking about that admitted to doing the same thing leaving guns out with his kids around ect. who's extremely anti gun now.
are against it citing stupid irresponsible shit they use to do and not really what really responsible people do.
Are you some kind of sick fuck though?
>Yeah good protection locked in that safe of yours.
>good luck not getting raped and murdered before you get something you can defend yourself with! why don't you just get raped or murdered instead of trying.
What kind of fucking logic is that?
>>697478459
>I like to get close to my enemies
>really close
I do not have to give a reason why I should have a gun. Also you should not ask why. Unless you are prepared to give me a good reason why you think I should not have one.
>>697482687
pure blood, anon, pure blood.
If I can't walk around the Piggly Wiggly without a loaded AR--15, how am I supposed to feel better about my tiny penis?
Checkmate, atheists.
>>697482797
Wait, isn't it a document created by the government that lets u have guns in the first place?
>>697474162
Recent photo also
>>697482797
>free human being with rights to do as I please
>not obligated to listen to any bullshit government that thinks it can tell me otherwise.
Kek, you only have those rights in the first place because the government gave them to you
>>697482962
>facts only exist if you record them
Facebook is more your speed, kid.
>>697473199
Because I bought it.
>>697482947
/thread
Give one reasonable justification for why you should be allowed to own a gun.
>protip: you can't.
To protect your right to say dumb ass shit like that
>>697478352
It isn't that they're coming in to murder bits that they're coming in to steal and you happen to be there to stop them. Now they're trying to stop you from stopping them. That's when being armed might be helpful. They've already shown gross disregard for you and for the law so why shouldn't I be able to defend myself in that situation as adequately as possible?
>>697483006
Fucking checked. .30-06 caliber
>>697483044
Your reddit tier cancerous meme image didn't find fault in anything I said.
>>697473199
Because no one should be able to tell another person what they can't own?
>give me one good reason why you should be allowed to own a car
>protip: you can't
also bait and sage in all fields.
Those who would give up a little bit of there freedom for protection will lose both and deserve neither.
>>697482797
>I'm a free human being with rights to do as I please and I'm not obligated to listen to any bullshit government that thinks it can tell me otherwise.
I don't think so
They are fun
>>697482962
The Bill of Rights in the Constitution enumerates natural rights all citizens are born with. It specifically limits governmental powers, it does not grant rights - you have them from the second you are born.
>>697483294
I'm sorry Anon
Did I disappoint you?
>>697483237
Bitch, please.
mfw when someone says guns are the only checks we have for the protection of Liberty...
Give me one reasonable justification YOU should be allowed freedom of speech...
>>697480220
I said march/drive, learn to read.
And a tank is going to search houses how exactly? I get it the crew can point the main gun at the house, so as long as the home-owner throws out whatever guns the government thinks they have, how are they going to make sure he doesn't have some private sale or home made guns?
Did you even think about this or are you just young and inexperienced or old and ignorant?
>>697483558
Correct. You, as all men, are created equal and are born with certain unalienable rights.
Because it says so in the constitution.
>>697482687
Because we can't have a constitution and rights and still move forward with globalization. Countries need to remain sovereign or we wind up like the movie "equilibrium"
>>697478352
>Burglars tend to steal stuff. They're not murdering you.
You don't know that. In fact you probably just read the headlines of thieves when that shit gets changed to being called home invasions when they decide to do more and think they're totally unrelated.
http://www.fox9.com/news/57588208-story
Look up the news stories on just that one, what they did on the home invasion it started out as breaking in and stealing from that persons home before they tortured and killed them and kept going on a rampage
>>697483763
Freedom of speech never killed an innocent bystander.
Freedom of speech never shot 50 faggots in a club
Freedom of speech never killed a classroom full of children
A child never accidentally got a hold of his parent's freedom of speech and used it to kill said parent
Are you even fucking trying?
>>697482687
It's easier to steal your information when you're dead.
>>697481590
Ok when a pack of brown islamoextremists are raping your wife and daughters to death and are sharpening their sword to lop off your sons head, we will send the police with no guns to investigate the crime scene post rape and murder.
Because you know, guns are not the answer.
Grow up.
You need to answer force with force or else just roll over and accept your fate.
>>697482962
No. It's an inalienable human right to adequate protection from all threats. The only thing the constitution does is recognize the rights we all as humans have and tells us that if our govt tries to infringe on said rights we can protect ourselves. It's not our fault your govt says openly that they want to keep those rights away from you so that they can keep their boot firmly on your neck
>>697483796
which legitimates the existence of the state
>>697483058
Our govt didn't give us shit. They just recognize rights all humans have and said we can fuck their shit up if they try and take them like Europe always has.
>>697484030
if it did, it would still be a right
>>697473199
GTA V
>>697473199
Protip if someone comes to murder you i have a chance and you dont faggot i jack off with my gun and i cum all over it and theres nothing you can do OP
>>697473809
>>697474447
>>697474714
>>697474995
>>697475220
The person writing >>697475498 is so full of shit it's not even funny. Also, it's pretty easy to tell you're not a Soldier; you'd know the following orders argument is not acceptable in court, you'd know that we cannot be legally deployed against citizens of the United States within our own borders, and you'd know that Soldiers love their freedoms more than the average citizen.
That being said, it is completely unreasonable to even entertain the idea the US Armed Forces would ever follow orders against the people. It's literally built into our oaths and tenets that we are obligated to defy morally questionable orders. And those obligations do go all the way up the chain of command.
As far as what the "mindset" on this was, we think people who really believe we'd fight civilians are fucking retarded and are probably the ones who shouldn't be owning a gun.
Plus, consider that we're still bound by laws outside of the military as well. Gun banning affects us, too. We don't just walk around everywhere with an issued M9 or M4. All that shit is stored in arms rooms. Most of us have privately owned weapons, and we'd all be VERY pissed off if mass gun bans were enacted.
Source: I'm an ACTUAL Soldier, 15A. And the pay still sucks.
>>697483796
>and this is recognized formally by the govt in the constitution
FTFY
>>697484030
The 2A never did any of that stuff either.
>>697473199
self defense is a basic responsibilty of every single life form on earth
>when did it become ok to not protect yourself
>>697483796
The Constitution was written as a charter for how the government should act, and what it's rights and duties should be, nothing more, nothing less.
It was the guidelines it would limit itself to based on the tyranny of the government of King George that had been shown to the colonies.
It was based upon even older codified rules of government including the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights (1689), which incidentally, also specifically allowed for the use of lethal force in self defense.
>>697482962
>>697483058
Incorrect. Neither of you understand what rights are or where they come from, nor do you understand what the founders believed about rights. Jefferson said we are endowed by our creator with inalienable rights. Some don't believe in a creator but rather the rights are naturally occurring. Either way, the government doesn't "give" you anything. Governments either acknowledge and protect the rights you already have, or they don't. If they don't, you aren't obligated to obey their laws. The founders, for instance, believed they had a natural right to representation if they were going to be taxed. England disagreed and refused to recognize that right. The colonists said "fuck that we aren't obligated to submit to this bullshit government." So they shitkicked the British and made a new government that would recognize ALL of our natural God-given rights. Understand?
All I know is I don't feel safe going out in public without one.
My state has glorious open carry laws, no one gets fucked with anymore.
>>697484030
>what is Charlie Hebdo
Guess their freedom of speech didn't get them killed by muslims, huh.
>>697483796
If you boil it down that much, then I don't need to provide a reason.
Your faggot state will imprison you for having a gun, mine wont. If you don't like it then come get shot.
>>697484851
Guess those muslims must have shouted him to death, huh
>>697473199
shooting clays
>>697484649
When it started triggering tumblrfags
>>697473199
cause sand niggers
>>697484978
They weren't covered by the 2nd amendment. How the fuck did they get those guns?
>>697485012
That is so clean looking for an AK it looks strangely like an airsoft rifle.
>>697484978
I am fairly certain they only did what they did because of the provocation by printing what they considered blasphemous rhetoric in their publications.
So, what was the catalyst for the murders?
1st amendment rights.
>>697484675
You realize Jefferson was against integration of church and state as much as anyone could be, and wasn't a Christian, right? He rewrote the bible.
Knife stabbings.
>I.E. countries without guns.
>>697473809
Idk the viet cong beat us out of nam with weapons that are for the most more obsolete than what you can get at academy or sportsman's warehouse
>>697473288
>first post is one word
>first post nails it
>first post is dubs
Nice.
>>697485211
>Magazine company prints something triggering
>muslims go shoot the place up
>obviously asking for it
You don't get to shoot people because you don't like what they have to say. One party exercised freedom of speech, the other party engaged the first in violence. It was surely first amendment rights that triggered the muslims into shooting, but at the end of the day, the magazine company didn't cause any sort of physical injury to the muslims by what they printed.
>>697485238
First of all Jefferson was against the state influencing the church, not the other way around. And, although claiming to be a deist most of the time, he went back and forth in his philosophies on spirituality throughout his life and many of his writings are decidedly non-deist.
Secondly, though, where did I even say anything about Jefferson's religion, stances on church/state religion, or the bible at all? I said the Jefferson called it "endowed by our creator" but anyone who doesn't believe in a creator can still recognize natural rights. Don't turn this into a religion thing.
Libs get triggered
>>697484193
The point is it's not inalienable. its granted to citizens, Human Rights are afforded to all, unless your saying non-citizens are a sub species of some description. Given your countries history with slavery, that cannot be far from the truth
>>697473199
Wiggers, niggers, and other fucked up people who would do whatever they felt like doing at that very moment unless you had the means to kill them.
That's why.
>>697485817
Youre right. Nothing is inalienable.
That's why I have a gun.
>>697485284
If you try to shoot Paul in the street and miss, you may hit and kill Mrs. Swanson on the other side of the street instead.
If you try to stab Paul in the street and miss, Mrs. Swanson can still get home to her family that night.
>>697485817
>the us is the only country ever to have slaves
remove yourself
>>697473199
Kill All Niggers
>>697485745
Doesn't negate the fact that if they wouldn't have had the right to print whatever they wish, they wouldn't have been killed.
They had the right, they angered the wrong people and got killed for it. Just because murder is illegal doesn't change the fact that their freedom of speech got them targeted by muslims and they died because of that right.
Now, this shouldn't be construed as me saying we should not have 1st amendment rights - we should.
We should also have the 2nd to make sure whoever gets butthurt and tries to take revenge over what our 1st allows us will not have an easy victim to murder.
>>697486035
So the problem isn't criminals, it's that they are too well armed. OK fag
>>697486035
>implying that they might stop with just Paul and not go on to kill 18 others while they are at it
>>697485817
Ha. Tell me what country you're from and I'll tell you what period in history slavery was allowed there.
>>697486243
Exactly. Criminals gonna crime no matter what, but that doesn't mean we have to make it easy for them.
>>697486348
>implying every killing is a prelude to a massacre
>>697485012
i dont fire it much and i keep all my rifles and milsurps in good condition. i usually shoot my AR more.
>>697486387
And guns will exist no matter what
>>697485817
Guy you replied to. You're wrong. We have the rights as humans from birth. Our country acknowledges those rights. Other countries do not. Our constitution serves to protect and recognize the rights listed. Not grant them.
>>697473296
Because you cant get robbed or be murdered out and about inpublic. Righto. Why you should be able to use leathal force at your home but not when out and about when faced with imminent threat of death. You can't.
This folks is what i call a liberal hiding his stripes. Slowly wanting to take away a persons right to be able to protect themselves in a cases of imminent fear of death. Another fact this tard doesnt get. A massive portion of people do carry all around him. Yet here he /she / it is. Alive and well. He'll never know who is exactly because that's the whole point of conceal carry. Not to mention in some states conceal carry only. If you imprint while carrying. It's no longer concealed and thus can get in shit for it. This is the type of tard i bet that would pull a gun to threaren /warn someone. Which is illegal in most states. Imminent fear of death only. And if you ard in imminent fear of death and carrying. Why the fuck arent you pulling thd trigger.
>>697473199
fuck you and youre secong amendment bullshit that only applys in the us!
il give you two reasons or three why you absolutely need guns!
1sth guns made men equal! if you have a gun it doesnt matter if youre big or small! if you have a gun and the other guy too youre equal! bullets dont discriminate!
second! an armed people is the most greatest defense of a nation and te most powerfull! a well armed people will almost always guarantee youre nations freedom! no one is stupid enough to attack usa mainland and expect to win! you would get shot at everywhere from behind every rock and bush! winning is impossible unless you completely shell or carpet bomb or gas the entire nation!
third! protection of self and propertive and family! women are getting killed and raped by the thousands in europe! this would be impossible if they were armed!
if a person is stupid or not is not determined by a gun! you should check the persons mental health before giving them a license! tighter control but still te same availability!
now piss off and die ina ditch cuz some nigger snuk behind you and blew a cap up yo ass boiiiiii
and criminals will always have guns! illegal guns! its youre choice to either die or fight back and survive! a gun helps a lot then!
its better to have a gun and not need it then not have a gun and need it!
and no im not american and no i dont have a gun now fuck off pissant
>>697486661
So we shouldn't bother passing any gun laws because it wouldn't stop 100% of gun crime?
>>697473199
Troll, but here goes anyways:
For this argument to have any credibility, one must acknowledge the right to self-defense...
If one has a right to self-defense, then what must one have/do to defend one's self, loved one, and rights from:
1. an encounter with a mugger
2. a thief breaking into one's home
3. a psychotic maniac coming at you wielding a lethal instrument
4. an angry mob
5. some oppressive element that one's government is unable, or unwilling, to stop
6. a foreign power/invader
7. an oppressive and unresponsive government
The answer to most, if not all, is a firearm of some sort, a military grade one for at least two of the above examples.
>>697473498
But shouldn't she be carrying a condom?
>>697487104
That's your argument, only about criminals instead.
>>697487104
Gun laws stop 0% of gun crime dumbass. At best it just turns them into different types of crime. If I want to kill you I'm gonna kill you regardless of whether or not I have a gun.
>>697473199
that moment when u remember that 60 years ago Frenchmen were using my MAS 36, and today Europe is owned by cucks :(
>>697487034
You're right in that the Second Amendment is in a US document, but it's a right that all men have regardless of where they happen to be from.
>>697485197
It's real. You can see the trigger hammer poking up
>>697473199
I'll give you three.
1) Here in Finland our military is based almost entirely on conscription, so as a reservist I need guns to keep train my skills and in the worst case defend my country with them, if the official armories can't supply me for any reason.
2) Hunters help keep the wildlife at bay. Without them there would be a lot more car accidents involving moose for example.
3) Guns are fun to shoot. Sports shooting isn't really any different from fencing or archery.
>>697473199
>Give one reasonable justification for why you should be allowed to own a gun.
>>protip: you can't
Your question is invalid. Since firearms ownership is a right guaranteed by the second amendment, no justification is needed.
>>697473199
Niggers
>>697486863
If Country 1 says "you have these rights" and Country 2 says "you do not have these rights" then Country 1 is granting those rights. You can say all you want that those rights exist for each person from the moment of birth, but you've still got one country saying yes and one saying no. If a person from Country 2, who did not have rights, goes to Country 1 then Country 1 effectively grants those previously unexercisable rights to that person.
If you were born a jew, your parents would cut off your foreskin. If you were born a christian, your parents would leave your foreskin intact. No matter what, you are born into this world with foreskin, but one group is telling you that you can keep it and one group is taking it away. One says you can have it, while the other says you cannot.
>>697484430
Previous AirForce fag here, they'd probably just use us. We'd drop a bomb to spook everyone, they'd grab their guns, and then you fuckers would move in. Worked with napalm in Vietnam.
>Also implying you'd be court marshaled by your authority, the same authority which just ordered you to fire on "armed insurgents."
Not to mention you wouldn't be killing zoms left and right, you'd just be taking out the ones who are a real pain in the ass.
>>697487803
Right. But everyone is born with it. It's depending on where you live as to whether or not the govt will allow you to exercise those rights. Thankfully our govt trusts us to have the rights and they are right in doing so.
>>697487508
That is true. Eurocucks went nuts when Australia took everyone's guns because, "Look America, they did it, and there's no more shootings!" Yeah, of course there's no more shootings dipshits. The death by murder and crime rate dropped at an extremely low number though, was barely even noticeable.
>>697487508
Which loops me back to my Paul argument in >>697486035. If you want to kill me, you'll do so with or without a gun. But without a gun, you're far less likely to hit a bystander, and you're also less likely to deliver an immediate kill shot. You can try to kill me all you want, but without a gun you have a lower chance of success and a lower chance of civilian casualties.
A bunch of dead people said I can
well when my drunk neighbor broke into my house to rape my daughter I was able to shoot him and kill him. Saving my daughters life. And possibly mine. ( he had a hunting knife. Didn't know I was home because my car was in the shop followed her in )
>>697488381
thats nice
if someone tries to kill me they'll get stabbed with bullets
>>697488041
Then I will rephrase;
The government may not grant you the rights specifically, but they do grant you (or not) the ability to exercise those rights. It may not be the exact same concept, but the end result is the same. One government says yes, one says no.
>>697488501
Oh I doubt that
Because other people do
>>697476647
I'm buying out of state and bringing it in. Fuck these stupid ass politicians telling me I don't need a gun when they live In a gated community and have armed guards with the newest gear. I'd rather kill some fuck nut breaking into my house and serve time for having it then dead on my own floor.
>>697488224
Tha aus gun ban did a couple things. They were on a downward trend in violent crime and after the ban it leveled off. Statistically speaking you could either say that this is a statistical increase in violent crime or you could say all the ban accomplished was halting progress towards a safer Australia.
>>697488615
Yeah. It's that no part that's gonna get more people killed. Good thing ours says yes
>>697478696
Just like nukes, everyone should have their very own mini nuke.
>Slogan music starts playing
>A fatman for the everyfatman
>A nuke for the cook
>A man with enough detonation force to kill both Shrillary and Trumpet
>Every child, every woman, everybody has a bomb
>Terrorists will no longer win in csgo
>America will once again, have a civil war over whether or not black lives matter
>Project Nuke em' then Dukey on em' has begun
>>69747873
Collecting rain water is illegsl in some states
>>697478783
Are you a / apart of / in ownership regulated militia?
>>697489712
Yes. All fighting age males in the country are part of the militia. Lrn2SCOTUS bruh
>>697473199
it makes you an edgy faggot who threatens people with a gun all the time for small infractions.
>>697490040
>thinking we're all just running around pointing out guns at everyone over nothing.
Maybe the niggers are doing that. But those aren't the guns were talking about.
>>697473199
In the south we have to get gator bait. We shoot lil Negros and use them for bait. After firing into a gang of young ones the rest can really get up some speed. That's why we use full auto.
>>697489712
And to add to >>697489842. "The people" in the context of the 2A has been held by the Supreme Court to mean "every American citizen".
>>697489712
shit argument. militias are not government regulated. so if you're depending on the government to provide you with a weapon in the situation of the formation of a true militia, then its not a militia, it's now a government funded organization such as the National Guard.
you could argue that a central private organization could hold weapons to be distributed to the militia, but thats also stupid because if such organization becomes corrupt or gets hit by any inside or outside force, then the weapons are now gone.
>>697490427
Individually.
I don't have guns, but an armed citizenry is a very liberal concept. the idea is that no person deserves a higher level of protection than another. if we banned gins, the rich, and of course the politicians in power, would all still have armed protection while the peeon would not have that right or ability.
>>697473199
Ayoo mah nigga, I be poppin' caps all day mane, clappin tha whole hood like "dooh! dooh! dooh!" mu'fucka. I ain't need justification for nuthin' knowImsayin' just clap all dey haterz!
>>697490491
> Says corruption like only government ran systems can get corrupted
>Assumes gun wielding redneckbeards are pure enough from having buttsecks with their sister to be sacrificed and not be corrupt
>>697473199
Because I want one and I havent broken the law.
>>697490725
also, the usa is a revolutionist country and the entire second amendment idea is that the arms should be in the hands of the citizens and not the government. obviously that is gone now but it was real up until quite recently.
>>697490778
re read it faggot. I said private organization (meaning run by the public sector) could become corrupt, or taken out.
for you retards, that means I think the public can become corrupt. which is why private ownership of the firearm is essential if you happen to put together a militis
>>697490778
>assuming only rednecks own guns.
>>697473296
Fuck you. When the sand monkeys start bombing America on a regular basis like they are in ëurøcucklāndia you'll see that Americans are the only ones that'll be able to kill them faster.
>>697473809
>the full force of the US military
"the US military" is made up, at it's lowest level, of individual human beings just like you.
"the US military" is not going to just load up a shock and awe campaign against Cleveland or Boise. those soldiers are going to side with the people.
