Hey /b/
What is the truth? Ever since I was about 14 I've studied all major religions looking for answers.
I was raised Christian but after I read the bible I found out that the trinity is never even mentioned in the bible. This Led me to atheism.
After searching for truth, I stumbled upon the bhagavad gita and Upanishads. Honestly I feel like this is the truth but I could be wrong.
These texts are from the ancient yogis thousands of years ago which give answers to all of my questions.
Should I trust this shit?
They believe in a supreme god who manifests himself in everyone and everything, and the goal of life is to become one with him.
Tell me your thoughts on god. Is this bullshit?
What does /b/ believe in?
>>696393573
You've been studying for a couple months then?
>>696393573
Similar theory is that we are all god and each and every person or consciousness in the universe is the same thing, however we cannot realise this fully as our memories are wiped after we die or some shit.
>>696393852
Sounds pretty crazy
Also worth noting that they believe that if you don't reach the goal of becoming one with god, you are simply reborn until this is attained.
For me, that's more logical than a god who would punish you eternally in hell.
>>696393573
i'm not trying to make fun of you or beeing sarcastic
but have you considered to read philosophy books instead of religious ones?
>and the goal of life is to become one with him.
do you realy want to do that? i mean, i wouldn't
>>696393943
Listen to Alan Watts and Ekhart Tolle if you are interested in this kind of shit. Its pretty cool to listen to.
:)
>>696394287
i think it's the other way round (on the point of logic)
if you burn eternally in hell that means you have your own mind, conciusness and you are an individual
but
whats the point of beeing reborn?
what does that even mean? if you are reborn without any memories, then you are not the person before therefore it was not a rebirth but the creation of a new mind
i mean, you are mostly made out of your memories and if they vanish from one moment to the other, you are a different person
but thats only my opinion tho
>>696393573
>What is the truth?
OH BOI YA DONE GONE AND DID IT NAH!
RELIGION IS SHIT RELIGION IS WRONG RELIGIONS A WHOREEE
>>696394315
Yeah I got into philosophy before religion really. I've read primarily western philosophy such Plato. For me, this provided me answers with tangible things but not with the non earthly stuff.
Its also worthy to note that those books I read in my original post are indeed philosophy as well. Upanishads are eastern philosophy.
I read a quote somewhere that said something like:
"A yogi and a philosopher both share the same goal. They both seek truth. The philosopher seeks truth through logic and reasoning while the yogi seeks truth through spiritualism and discipline
Just do psychedelics and everything will make sense
>>696393573
THE TRUTH IS HERE NOW MOTHERFUCKERS!
>>696393573
following the bhagavad gita is not a bad choice, but I don't think your gonna find the "truth" anywhere.
Literally all religion that believes in an invisible all powerful being are bullshit shams.
>>696394874
I wonder the same shit man
I asked a guru why there's suffering for good people and he said its because o their karma from past lives. I don't remember what I did in a pat life so I think that's fuckd up lol
>>696393573
YA WENT AHEAD AND LOOKED TO SOUTH ASIA FOR ANSWER MY GUY!
>>696395287
Kek
>>696393573
THERE ARE NO ANSWERS HERE FOOL!!!
>>696393573
I've read the Gita, the entire Bible, Koran, Tanakh, and others I can't recall...
What you will find is that each have things which are close to the truth, and things that aren't.
You will find there may be interesting coincidences - so much so that they may not be coincidences - but that no work is revealed entirely by a deity.
I have my own idea about the world but it's more of an atheistic/agnostic one. I see two possibilities.
>>696393573
ONLY A VERY ANCIENT KIND OF MADNESS
>>696393573
WOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
What do you think about EVP's ? They seem to be legit about talking to the dead
>>696395625
Dafuq
>>696393573
YOU'RE NOT READY FOR THESE BIG MEATY VEDAS!
What could be inside ? ? ?
trips to open !
>>696395009
you read plato, what about descartes, nietzsche and the other "modern" ones?
i like Karl Popper the most
also, i don't really care about everything that is beyond physics
because of Cogito ergo sum i know i exist
everything else is not important and will be delivered to me as a big surprise one day (sry for bad english)
>>696395768
Your mom
>>696395087
I was gonna but couldn't get my hands on any/ non of my friends do psychedelics
>>696393573
DO YOU HAVE YOUR TRUTH NOW ANON!?
>>696393573
smoke weed eeryday-Lord Shiva
>>696393573
The concept of the divine is a mental fallacy brought about by the very same few and exceedingly primitive mechanisms inherent in the human psyche into which it also plays.
>>696395792
I've read Nietzsche.
I'm laughing right now looking back at it. When o used to go to Christian school I took a Nietzsche book and the teacher was freakin out lmao
I don't reject anything really. Just trying to find truth
>>696393573
God is a crazy motherfucker. He do everything for lulz.
Sheep always look to follow. Figure out your own life for yourself. If you want to be chucked into any adults pretending they know what happens when you die, that's good for you. Religion is a means of control. "Spirituality" is a word for people who want to be controlled.
>>696395275
i think, no offense, that carma is pure bullshit
there is no force which controlls that shit; and even if there was, we are tiny humans who are not that important
it's just like justice:
both are mind constructs from the weak, poor and harmed ones to gain hope that one day it will be better and that the bad ones get what they desevere (in our eyes)
but
it's just coincidence like the fact that we live
there is (or might be) a force beyond our understandings but
we are tiny little humans who are not worthy enough to be interacted with
>>696393573
>Is this bullshit?
Probably.
The biggest inconsistency I've noticed between religion and reality is frankly a very basic one: Goals.
Every religion is structured towards performing rituals to end up at a certain spot. The universe doesn't work like that. Things just abide by physical rules, but there's no such things as reasons or objectives. They're made up.
>>696396128
>a mental fallacy
Lol
>>696393573
So you think that the oldest surviving text has to be true?
The Earth is billions of years old. Humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Hinduism has been around in its modern form for only about 2,500 years or so, forming from a synthesis of older practices, going back at most to the iron age. In the grand scheme of things, it's as if Hinduism arose moments ago.
If there were a god, there would be signs all over the place, not just a few fragmentary texts from primitive peoples. You'd see signs all over the place, which could be tested and verified. In reality, there is none of this.
The evidence from reality does not support the idea that there exists or existed any supernatural deities or forces.
There is no god. By the way, there is no free will either. Sorry.
>>696393573
WITNESS ALL THAT YOU HAVE WROUGHT IN YOUR INSOLENCE MY BOI!
>>696396416
Its not about knowing the after life
Honestly I don't give a shit what happened after death I want to know what this reality is
>>696393573
Nothing's done till you do it
>>696396441
Karma is a word that simply means 'the sum of your actions.'.
There's no believing or disbelieving. All the 'good'/'bad' karma mumbo-jumbo is idiotic westerners who cannot into translation because interpretation.
>>696393573
What you need to develop is a logical basis from which to challenge the authority of others when they make objective claims. Until you do this you've got no solid ground to discern what may or may not be closer to truth.
>>696396581
>no free will either
People get way more upset by this fact than they should. It makes good sense, the idea of free will just sounds empowering, despite being entirely ridiculous.
>>696394874
This is why Buddha says there is no such thing as the "self". It's sort of impossible to put it into language since language by its very nature is an expression of self. But when you are on this train of thought I think you can understand what he means.
>>696393573
>What is the truth?
I think therefore I am, the only truth available to you when you begin your journey to the truth, bro. It means that you can doubt everything, even that you exist, but can't doubt that you doubt, otherwise there would be no you doubting. So the "I", the subject, in this proposition "I think therefore I am", exists insofar as he thinks (since doubting is an activity implied by thinking).
> the trinity is never even mentioned in the bible
True, it's an explanatory concept created by the church in order to try and illustrate the three moments of the act of faith. I.e. faith in itself (the father), faith as a duality (the son) and faith as a trinity, or union of the opposites, which means faith as an event (the holy spirit). Remarkably, trinity is a concept you can find in the books of a famous semiotician, C.S. Peirce, who tries to describe signs as three in nature (so not just signifier-signified), even though to my knowledge he's not particularly religious and is trying to understand how signs, not eternal truths, work.
>Should I trust this shit?
You should trust your own findings. Or read the only true ontology that's ever been written, i.e. the Ethics by Spinoza. It won't give you the eternal truth in the form of propositions, but it'll help you find your own truths, your own way to god through the signs that constitute our dual world.
>Tell me your thoughts on god. Is this bullshit?
Pantheism isn't bullshit, in fact it's what Spinoza ends up with, Interestingly though, he refers to the Oneness as "God or Nature", Deus sive Natura, which leaves you wonder.
There is a One, there is also duality, and there is also a trinity, or tierceity, to use Peirce's expression.
The difficulty when you seek truth is that you seek a proposition, as in "Truth is X". In fact, truth is an event, a tierceity, or a substance that we can perceive by making sense of the signs that define our existence as bodies and minds, as Spinoza explains.
Oh look another stupid ass teen trying to seek the "truth". Fucking kek. First of all you have to reach a certain criteria before you can answer the question of what is truth.
1) Wait until you are at least 27
2) Cum balls deep in a woman
3) Break up with your first love
4) Overcome and destroy your rival (if you don't one you ain't living your life)
5) Mastery of your spirit and character
6) Reach a financial point where you don't rely on others for your quality of life (this includes your job, if you work for some you already fucked up)
>>696395516
Btw op to this date the best thing I read in literature to this date was halfway into the first chapter to the beginning of the second in the Gita "Whence this lifeless dejection, Arjuna, in this hour, the hour of trial?..."
By far the most inspiring chunk of literature I've ever read.
I believe religion is bs but some of the literature has hidden treasures in them. Some much more than others. IMO the things I read in religious books beat what I read from psychology although I'm an atheist.
Possibility 1; (assuming my life experiences and conclusions are correct) You are alive, and like Alan Watts and Carl Sagan have said, are part of the universe. This 'episode'of consciousness is just the universe being. This is the only way it can experience and know itself; through us.
Without life there is no consciousness and there is therefore 'nothing'that can be experienced.
I can't remember anything before I was born absolutely, so, I think that after I die, it will be the same.
The universe will merely continue to experience itself through consciousness, whether you're a squirrel or a human, as a result there is no 'nothing' after death; there is only continued 'experience'.
2: we can't know if we're in a matrix or an aliens science project etc.
I discard god because each religion makes extremely specific claims about the universe and the creator(s) of the universes which are not true and forces me to believe these religions are not god-inspired.
I found my own missions in life that are directly related to how I view the world, so I'm not wallowing in nihilism or anything.
That's my two cents.
>>696393573
The truth is that life is an inevitable outcome of the Laws of Thermodynamics as it is the form that most efficiently transforms enthalpy to entropy.
Now why the universe is keyed this way not really known but the answer is not is in the Bible, Quran, Upanishads or whatever holy text you want to point at.
I smoked a joint and fapped to a picture of my granny in a swimming suit when she was 20 years old. I came so hard
I believe on IKEA chairs and on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMuOXT52PM
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>>696396594
These are the best answers you're going to get tbh anon.
>>696397554
Good for you bro.
>>696393573
Dharma truth is absolute friend.
>>696397408
>the truth isn't in the old theories but the new theories.
How can someone be this fucking stupid lmao at your life son
>>696396581
>So you think that the oldest surviving text has to be true?
No, these books were not even my first resort. I looked at everything, not just old shit
>If there were a god, there would be signs all over the place, not just a few fragmentary texts from primitive peoples. You'd see signs all over the place, which could be tested and verified. In reality, there is none of this.
Their concept of god isn't some dude who controls everything. Its a tough concept, but from my understanding he's more of a force than anything.
>The evidence from reality does not support the idea that there exists or existed any supernatural deities or forces.
What evidence? There's no way to prove or disprove their "god". Its just a concept of reality / state if being
>>696397069
Mind blown
>>696393573
look into stoicism, it has some of the same ideas of hinduism/buddhism but without deities
>>696393573
do whatever you want op
it's your decision
>>696397389
> as a result there is no 'nothing' after death
>>696397170
Thanks man.. This Is by far the most helpful answer. When I asked my dad about these things he recommended I study Spinoza.. But I never did..definitely gonna gt into itnow.
Kinda off.topic but I read some guys shirt that said, "this shirt cannot think, therefore it does not exist" lol... Thoughts on that?
Along who said that I think therefore I am? Descartes?
>>696398082
>stoicism without deities
>hahahahahahHhhHAaa lmaooooooooooo
>>696396244
why was the teacher freaking out? haha
our catholic religion teachress told us to read many philosophy books
>>696397389
Thanks for getting me thinking to more possibilities
>>696396930
wikipedia says something different
Thelema. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, love is the law, love under will.
Be careful about Spinoza and such.
Einstein spent the end of his life trying to debunk quantum randomness because he believed in order.
He could have contributed more to science instead of wasting his efforts on proving pre conceived ideas.
Toodooloo
>>696398527
Are you mentally deficient?
>>696393573
Truth is we are all in the Matrix
>>696398952
Yes, do heroin.
>>696397655
This
>>696397069
i can't define "self" not because of the language, but because of the lack of knowledge and intelligence
but
i'm dead sure that memories, experience and genetics are big parts of a "self"
and the problem with rebirth is, as you can probably tell by now, that these three major points are lost when a rebirth happens
i therefore conclude that there is no rebirth
but
if you define rebirth by saying "the spiritual energy moves from ones thing to an other one", than yes, rebirth is possible but has nothing to do with personalities and a "self"
>>696399743
Very interesting. Agreed.
>>696398510
Existing comes before thinking. "I think, therefore I am" is just way of knowing that you exist, if you were wondering.
>>696398510
>"this shirt cannot think, therefore it does not exist"
Lol. Well it gets a little more complicated with Kant, who sorta had this problem. His idea was that thinking and being aren't on the same level: existence is undetermined, while thinking is determined. In other words, for Decartes, who's indeed the author of the Cogito, something undetermined, "I am", is determined by something determined, "I think". Kant gets furious about this and argues that there need to be a third term, the "determinable", to actually make the bond between the determined and the determination.
I guess this shirt's main problem is that it can't say "I think"
Yes, do read Spinoza. Don't hesitate to use secondary sources though: if you've never studied philosophy before it can get difficult.
>>696399743
I thought the Buddhist concept of no-self meant no permanent/eternal self. Like there is no mystical essence in us that will last forever.
The universe is a purely physical entity. Due to this, and the fact that physical processes have no meaning, nothing has true meaning. This is the truth.
>>696398702
Maybe it's Nietzsche's negative views on Christianity.
>>696400202
Well, actually it's the act of doubting, i.e. thinking, that allows you to say "I exist". So in a strict sense, thinking comes before existence. The subject comes before the experience. That's the introduction of subjectivism in philosophy and in thought. Which explains the filiation between Descartes and the Idealists, who came in the 19th century, and who claim everything is in the mind, in the sense that everything is determined by the subject.
>>696400950
you forgot the force bro
>>696400507
>Like there is no mystical essence in us that will last forever.
It means that mind and mind object are not identitcal.
>"Then, Bāhiya, you should train yourself thus: In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen. In reference to the heard, only the heard. In reference to the sensed, only the sensed. In reference to the cognized, only the cognized. That is how you should train yourself. When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Bāhiya, there is no you in connection with that. When there is no you in connection with that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."
>>696400507
i looked it up and i found that in budhism the "self" is no constant unit but a changing process
i agree, that you are not the same person you were prior to your last change of thoughts
but
these changes are small
and a rebirth is like a total change
>>696402537
>and a rebirth is like a total change
From the buddhist point of view there is no distinction between the psychological rebirth of one mind moment to the next and the cosmological rebirth from one life to the next.
>>696393573
You can't be told the truth
You have to grasp it from the answers I give you to any questions you have.
Op I am here, the real deal for you.
Ask
I actually do remember from before my birth..
>>696393573
>i studied religions
>NOT SCIENCE
theres your problem, u delusional fuck.
>>696403138
>lets say from human to mouse
have you ever seen a mouse behaving human-like?
how can the transfer from a human into a mouse or tree not be a complete difference?
>>696403138
from an infants point of view theres no difference between its emotions and the emotions of others
>>696403329
>real deal
god?
The truth is that our existence is a complete coincidence.
>>696403965
Mice have sense organs just like humans, don't they?
To be a living being means to be receptive towards enviorment.
Sense consciousness arises dependently on that, hence there cannot be an entity in control of the perceptual process.
buddhism
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Anon, you read the Dharma? Also i will tell you to start meditation, im looking for the truth too, i studied most of the religions too
>>696404605
No I meant that I can provide anyone with the raw truth if anyone was seekong it.
>>696397912
what did you understand because i have trouble understanding the no self concept
>>696393573
The truth is that we have evolved. There's no God or satan. It's only what we believe in that drives us.
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>>696405031
why are you searching the truth?
what are you hoping to get if you find it?
do you think you can find something that no one found yet?
I will tell you now there is no god, you may come across things you think are god, or things that proclaim to be god however the only real answer is that a god doesn't exist.
>>696404782
and yet humans are the only ones eith proven concious
yes, some dolphins, apes and ravens are under suspicion, but nothing proven yet
and isn't the loss of conciousness death?
>>696405569
I think that i can find my truth, maybe my truth is the truth that Siddharta
>>696405875
and then what? what do you do with your truth?
>>696405031
Raw truth me
>>696405837
Fish r concious. An experiment with a certain fish was conducted. When in danger it sucks its offspring into its mouth for protection. It was fed and once its mouth was full of food it was spooked. It sucked its offspring in its mouth then. It spat everything out, finished eating and sucked the fishlings back in. It shows it made a decision about prioritising actions and not swallowing its kids.
No. Sleep, vegetization and coma r not death
>>696405837
>and yet humans are the only ones eith proven concious
sense conciousness in no way implies having an ego
>and isn't the loss of conciousness death?
Other way around.
The death of the body is experienced through the six sense media.
>>696393573
I'm a philosopher who has studied religion as well, all I can tell you is that the rational, logical end of all thinking is deep nihilism. (see Nietzsche - Thus Spoke Zarathustra)
Everything I've figured out so far: I know nothing.
>>696406326
What did Siddharta when he find the trut? Help people, this is what the enlightened people do (sorry for my bad english)
the only truth is there is no real truth ....only perspective
>>696406923
>The death of the body is experienced through the six sense media
wtf is this nonsense?
>>696406991
u havent figured out much, nor fast, huh? Shouldve studied actual science
>>696406727
maybe it was just a reaction, a surviving strategy learned through evolution?
>>696406923
>sense conciousness in no way implies having an ego
thats one point i tried to say, but my english skills suck
>six sense media.
pls explain further what that is before i answer
I like those types of threads because i don't see racist people here
>>696407610
yup, going for chemical engineering next year. But at least I've read everything worthy/real, and I know that I don't know. Do you other people know that you don't know, or you think you know?
>>696407069
why should you help people?
in my opinion, helping people is quite bad because if people only keep relying on others, than they become dependent
and thats quite bad, imo
I always thought that all religions have a bit of the truth in it. Like a diamond with many faces. God is Allah, Krishna, the Dao, the spirit, holy three, etc
>>696407757
he didn't say that knows everything, only something geez
>>696393573
Aldous Huxley - The Perennial Philosophy
>>696407666
eating is and protecting young is. That was a choice. If u think the combination is an effect of selective discrimination against other practices, its your part to prove it.
>>696407757
i know i know more than nothing. "Tide goes in, tide goes out - u cant explain it".
>>696408047
show me the research, then.
>Every decision in human history has been made to extend lives or make living more comfortable and consistent
>>696405569
I am not looking for it.
I know it. Im offering it.
>>696406439
Ask the right question.
>>696408047
there are problems
lets take, for example, Scientology
what truth do they have?
>>696407610
>wtf is this nonsense?
Go take a vipassana course and scrutinize your senses a little bit
>pls explain further what that is before i answer
Six types of conciousness that make a sentient being
Sights, smells, sounds, sensations, taste, mind objects
The six sense media can also be looked at in form of the five khandas
form, feeling, perception, impulse, sense conciousness
This is buddhism 101
>>696393573
It's probably been mentioned but I am too short on time to peruse the thread:
Read everything and anything, give yourself a wealth of opinions and views to choose from in order to find what works for you.
People feel poisoned by the term religion, but think of it less as a code to adhere to and more as suggestions as to how to live your life.
It may not help you much to be a good neighbor as the Bible states, for example, however much good can come from following the teaching: you may gain a new friend or simply get to borrow his mower when yours craps out, but the point is that it will encourage positive circumstances to follow teaching like those.
The Bible isn't the only nor the best religious guide, either. I particularly fancy dabbling in the Dao, as it teaches self improvement which I feel is something everyone should learn to be better at.
Also am I the only one who thinks the Bible read chronologically plays out like an early Israeli Kingdom historical records?
Seriously, it's mostly
>another tribe is attacking us
>God made us win
>here comes another to attack
>gods wrath caused our defeat
>we founded a new city because God said so
It's practically a Civ V game
>>696408709
how bout u show me some actual research, instead of shilling drugs, rhetoric and nonsense?
Whats a "sentience" in this context?
>>696408303
how can you be certain that it is" the truth"?
and what is the question?
and don't come with some "you must find it on your own " bullshit
>>696408993
No really, go take a meditation course.
The dhamma is to be realized through direct experience.
>>696408047
The Dao isn't a God though, but an abstract concept, like comprehending your mother's circumference
Sorry that was too well set up to pass by
>>696393573
"No son did God beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to God! (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! He knows what is hidden and what is open: too high is He for the partners they attribute to Him! (The Noble Quran, 23:91-92)"
>>696408993
You missed the answer to your question:
According to the post, sentience is anything which possesses the five senses plus consciousness
>>696393573
Anyone claiming to know the history of earth before mankind, especially if their evidence is they "feel", or "dreamed" it to be true. So basically all religions are bullshit.
>>696408709
>there are more than five perception senses
1. is gravitation in your ear
2. magmetism-you have, i know it sounds weird, tiny bio-magnets between your skull and the skin
now we know that there are more senses, is it now the eight media?
there are also other animals with more senses (magnetic field, etc...)
so, why should i now believe that any statement involving six sense media is true?
>>696409333
>i aint got shit, so just make yourself delusional
>>696409706
so u r sayin that faggot doesnt know how "sentience" is defined by actual science?
>>696409888
>without bullshit flowers grow not as fast as with a shitload of it
If there was a god, he abandoned us. We're all just apes that have a larger muscle with more electrons that let us ponder our existence. We're just animals floating on a rock in space, waiting to die. And when we do, theres nothing. I, personally, find solace in this idea. But hey, just my beliefs.
>inb4 fedoramaster-katana-weilding-weaboo-atheist alert
>>696410422
you are right,as long as you don't deny the existence of a power above us
because you can't prove it wrong
>may i see your katana collection?
If you really want to know, I highly reccomend an eigth of magic mushrooms.
Took them once in my life and i never will again. You want answers, and they have them.
>>696410768
u cant prove it right to begin with
>>696393573
learning religion from book?
miyagi.jpg
Op, go read The New Revelation if you are looking for absolute truth, but be prepared for the shock of your life.
>>696410223
>i aint got shit, so just make yourself delusional
Delusion is exactly what I am discerning by investigationg my faulty self identification with the six senses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratītyasamutpāda
>>696409907
>now we know that there are more senses, is it now the eight media?
Additional sense doors would still be covered by the five khandas
>>696411002
you ever heqrd of the scientific methode?
in science, you try to prove a statement/hypothesis wrong by all means
if it's not possible, then your statement/hypothesis is valid
>>696411220
i read now more about the khandas and as much i appreciate Budha, i don't share my opinion with that topic
many parts are true, but the conclusion is not good imo
>>696409212
My version of the truth doesn't rely on old men drilling the idea in my head all my life.
It's simple and yet it contains answers to everything from an atom to complex galaxies.
You just ask any questions you have about the world and I will answer.
>>696393573
one time when I was on drugs I watched a bee eating from a flower, then I started thinking about how everything's interconnected. Suddenly I felt like I could see from the perspective of every living thing on earth at once, like an infinite collage of perspectives. I felt like I was having an indescribable orgasm of bliss and love. I just kept saying 'it's all one'
I remember knowing at the time that I wouldn't understand it later. So I just told myself to remember that it's all one. That was the best moment of my life but it's tortured me since that day. I have no idea how to get back to it. I can't even comprehend it now, it's just a memory that I know I experienced. I wish I could feel that again.
>>696411220
u dont know how sentience is defined, your arguments r invalid
>>696411272
have u?
u dont prove a statement wrong, u set a null hypothesis and conduct an experiment, that controls for many variables. If the outcome supports the null hypothesis, u keep it. If not, u adopt the alternative. Null hypothesis assumes no links. Claims must be testable. So what was the experiment, that showed the existence of god?
>>696411891
ok, so whats the truth?
why are you against those old men?
why are you sure that your answers are objectively true?
>>696411905
why didn't you camcord it or wrtie it down?
>>696411846
>but the conclusion is not good imo
There is a cure for suffering.
How is that not a good conclusion?
I've spent a lot of time with theravadian monks, they are the happiest, sanest people on the planet
Because it's not something words could say. It was like going somewhere else. It was like a whole different consciousness, not just a realization.
>>696393573
I have two gods; Death and Life.
I draw my inspiration from science, particularly the death of stars. When a star dies, an explosion occurs and star dust effectively just glide in space. Through millions of years they combine and you all know this from your science text books.
From the death of a star, our Sun was made and so were the other planets. From those planets, life arose in various forms. Trees, grass, animals, humans, etc. All that to me is life and all Life will die.
I'm still in debate on who came first. Life needed to have come first for the very concept of Death to even be thought of, but then again Life came out of Death.
That's when we have to ask what died to have created the universe?
>>696393573
You really need to find your own answers for religion. We can't provide the answers to that. I'm sorry if that's not a very satisfying answer. But if you go on what someone else says, then you're not thinking for yourself.
>>696412039
look, i know you won't believe me, but physic itself is the experiment
>why?
because 1.we explain everything with "god"
then 2. we get to understand science and apply it
3. we get new questions
4. go back to 1.
thats the way humans work even now
some of the biggest scientist were religious or explained everything outside the human knowledge with "god"
furthermore, maybe there is some proof, but outside our methodes of measurements
you see, 2000 years ago no one knew about many scientific stuff everybody knows today because they had no utilities and knowledge about it
maybe we will have one day the utilities and knowledgeto measure the existemce of god, until then, have fun
>>696412500
i'm happy too
with the philosophy of Karl Popper
i don't need any cure, life itself (as budha said) is suffering
so why not enjoy it?
>>696413676
hear hear
>>696393573
Meanwhile, 5000 some years ago, some guy came up with a philosophy that didn't require you to have blind faith in an imaginary sky daddy. We call him Buddha.
>>696412932
i respect your beliefs
but i think you are overrating death
i mean, a sun can't die, because it didn't live
it's just materia performing physics
i mean, if you melt ice, the ice doesn't die; it just changes
you get my point? maybe i don't get yours
>>696413448
all of the biggest scientists r well known for explaining everything without god. Phisic itself has nothing to do with it. Humanity presupposed god and once sth didnt fit it started to investigate. And the smart ppl stopped and dont explain anything with "god". U r a presupositionalist, u present false premises.
The time to believe is once its proven. Its the correct thing to not believe it, until its proven and all the ppl who didnt believe the thing that werent available for them to test were right to do so. U r trying to make me say its wrong to not believe based on what we already know and u r wrong to do so and u r wrong to assume its wrong. Exactly thx to what we know now we know we have to NOT believe in your bullshit.
>>696414239
beliefs dont deserve respect
>>696414312
everything deserves respect
>>696414239
I understand what you mean, but simply put, without the destruction of the star previous before our own Sun, there would not have been material for there to be an Earth.
To me, destruction = death. Something needed to die for a new beginning. Think of the Phoenix in this matter.
>>696393573
>Tell me your thoughts on god. Is this bullshit?
Here's how I feel. I've been a hardcore militant atheist since I was about 11. I have a PhD in philosophy and have spent loads of time teaching, arguing, reading, writing about how God doesn't exist. Then I went to law school and started doing drugs, and finally I tried psilocybin.
With the meds I'm on I can basically use the drug to trigger at will what can only be described as religious experiences. I still don't believe in God, but I feel like I do (if that makes sense), and I like to behave in the light of what I think "god" would want me to do (which is basically just my own conclusions based on what I think is right and wrong).
I'll tell you this: If I didn't have access to the chemical explanation for the experience, I'd be in a monastery right now.
I am 58 years old and for me and with the years the truth became something I can feel. Yoga and Patanchali are definitively destructive liars - destroyers of feelings and destroyers of truth. Kill them! Free yourself from destructive forces as religion or philosophy. Learn - instead - the language of the dreams. Talk to God and hear her answer in everything you perceive, in everything you dream and everything you live. Enjoy!
>>696397554
This is modern art.
>>696414252
i'll name you one, just one
einstein:
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind
the rest is followimg when i find reliable sources
>>696394874
we are reborn to continue learning about ourselves, love and creation. technically the "you" that we can comprehend is only that of this 3 dimensional world. the soul/conscious is not of this plane. also why hell cant possibly exist the way religion says. how can you feel physical pain in a spiritual plane. if you were to remember everything from your past lives it would be too easy to learn from your mistakes
>>696414957
Her? You didn't watch Dogma did you?
I agree with the rest of the stuff though.
>>696414851
you are right
but destruction=/= death imo
imo: death can happen only to living organisms
>>696414787
u r fundamentally wrong
>>696414862
So have you read anything by Richard Alpert?
>>696394315
why wouldnt you want to be one with God? asking as a fellow philosopher
>>696415141
insulting science doesnt invalidate it. Religion is without science by definition. And he was a deist at best. Nothing u wrote proves god, nor invalidates scientific method.
And u agree scientists r recognised for science, not for their religious beliefs.
>>696415187
i was not saying hell exists, i was just saying that i find it more logical than rebirth
does your soul have memories? do you keep them when you are reborn? because as i stated in this thread, i can't define a "self", but memories, experience and genetics play a big role; and if you take that 3 away , i conclude that it's a new person instead of a rebirth
>>696415611
Well, that's the ultimate test now isn't it? Be yourself until you spin the wheel again or be one with God.
I struggle to believe in God as I go through a shifting world where previously held conceptions are struck from my life.
F.D.N.
>>696415527
why?
we should treat everything with respect and good manners
>>696415265
The sun is a living organism through atoms (back to science).
Atoms that work together for a sole function is an living organism (in my opinion). The atoms of the tree have the function to absorb CO2 from the air and release O2 as waste so that the atoms in our bodies can continue to live.
The sun is made up of trillions of atoms and is the ultimate example of powerful life. Atoms that help create and maintain life.
When something dies, they disperse to form something else.
>>696415559
No, I haven't, but just googled him. I'll dig in.
I listen to a lot of Terrence McKenna stuff over here:
https://archive.org/details/PsychedeliaRawArchivesOfTerenceMckennaTalks
I listened to Alien Dreamtime as study music for like fifteen years but never wanted to try mushrooms because Terrence McKenna sounds so goddamn crazy. And he is--a pseudoscientist and a numerologist; but he's also a well-read autodidact and a genius at conversational English. I wish I could have taught him and beaten some sense into him. He frustrated his own life's work by not being taught how to think. If you're trying to advocate for psychedelics but can't convince a 20 year old philosophy student, then you've failed as a missionary.
/It's not aliens, Terrence
>>696415220
In fact God is an utter alien. I used the term 'her' to point that out. Today I would like to know why this alien loves me (us) so much. I really want to know.
>>696416168
>Terrence
*Terence
>>696415611
because i want to be me as long as it goes
i don't want to be absorbed by anything or to fusion because imo and by my definition both mean death
and i don't ever want to die (i hope immortality research will be succesfull, maybe i will freeze myself until then)
>>696393852
I really hope this isnt the truth.
The suffering will never end
>>696393573
>What is the truth?
The truth is you're just lucky to have consciousness and when you die, that's it. It's lights out. There isn't a god or gods. You exist for yourself, you only get one shot at this, and when you die you're gone. Live a good life as best you can, be good and do good when you can.
>>696415836
oh? Existence of soul jumping from 1 body to another to eventually reach nirvana and unexplained origins of new souls is more logical than another plain of existence made exclusively for the souls of the dead out of 9 circles filled with ice and fire?
Denied, sit down.
>>696415988
Why? If its worth anything itll defend itself by its merit, not by pro forma pretentious cover-up. What kind of respect is it, if u grant it to everything?
>>696396980
Wut? I can make my own choices, how does free will not exist? Are you saying in this life our choices are so limited there isn't free will? And if that's what you're saying who's limiting the choices?
>>696415836
i like your questions and can answer them to a certain extent, but youre trying to tie in physical characteristics to something that is not. your soul does have memories, its just that we dont know how to access them. some people say deja vu moments are events that happened in your past lives. ive heard some people say they have dreams or visions of their past lives. they could be making it all up or telling the truth. when you are reborn you are not the same person but you are the same soul/conscious. again, youre trying to apply physical attributes to a spiritual being.
>>696393573
Anon, I went on a spiritual journey you wouldn't believe. I self identify culturally as a Jew but was raised pretty much atheist. I never thought about god and thought religion was silly. I took so much drugs; acid, shrooms, MDMA, ghb, mescaline, DMT, and many more.. I then had a car accident. Almost died.. Lost my arm.. Was in the hospital in a coma for a month. 50 broken bones countless staples and stitches. When I got back on my feet I traveled all over meeting religious people. I felt touched by my experience of death wanted to find out what was going on. While religious i received amazing blessing after blessing. I actually witnessed what I'd call a miracle too. I was living in a mansion finishing up college, etc. But no drugs, no sluts, etc. Then a famous Rabbi who wrote many books and stuff told me after his mother died one day that there wasnt really a God. I didn't really believe him though.. Until one day my brother died and I knew what he meant.
I ended up starting to smoke and drink again and eventually dropped out of school. In the end I realized we're going to die and make the best of your time. I found new beliefs forged from science and if there is a God, fuck him.
>>696393573
Reality is the truth and if reality doesn't answer your questions. Know that the answer of the question does not exist.
>>696416682
can u? Or r u conditioned to tend to certain group of choices?
>>696416168
Richard Alpert performed the first American expirments with mushrooms and LSD at Harvard. He became intregeued about the connection between the death state when one undergoes reincarnation described by monks in the Tibetian Book of the Dead and the experiences reported by participants.
I'll let you go from here. May we meet at the heart.
>>696393573
Its all silly bullshit.
Remember we evolved with very limited perception and a tendency to just bridge gaps of knowledge we dont have with the most rational available conclusion.
When ancient civilizations sacrificed barley and wheat by leaving it in clay pots in front of their idols, rain and wild yeast got in and they got beer. With no understanding of microbiology or chemistry, the intoxicating drink was assumed to be a gift from the gods.
When haleys comet passed every 75 years theyd scour for evidence it was a curse. Whether a king died somewhere or a plague hit they associated assumed it was because of the comet.
The more we learn about reality the more we expans our minds. But it is very much a known studied and documented trait of human psychology to want all the answers and fill in the blanks when we are ignorant...
The universe is massive, and time is very old. This means a shit tonne of dice rolls. This is all an accident that was bound to happen. If you didnt exist on this perfect planet for human life, youd exist in another place and time that was perfect.
This doesnt mean you cant enjoy life. Your happiness and feelings of ascension you find with religion are all hardwired and chemically run. You can have and feel all of them without God.
Community is also an instinct. We are cooperative social animals. Religious fags like to say religion is responsible for morality and community. Not so. Its as natural as your need to eat.
Worship yourself. Worship your friends. Worship your family. Worship your heroes.
But leave this religious silliness behind. I promise you the universe is infinitely more amazing and magical and beautiful than any religious book has ever described it to be.
Your hunger for knowledge of the truth will lead you to the most inconceivable things if you just redirect your energy. Pursue knowledge.
>>696416087
sry, i use the biology-definition that there are 5 signs of living
Reproduction, Growth and Development, Energy, Response to the Environment, Regulation
and by that definition the sun is no living organism so it can't die, only burn out
>>696395972
just look for some weed hookups and ask them if they know where any lucy is.
>>696394374
This, it helps that their voices are nice to hear.
>>696393573
>Ever since I was about 14 I've studied all major religions looking for answers.
>not consulting an 1/8th of mushrooms or 2 tabs of LSD
>Looking to religion for real answers
You may find the answers you are looking for, but it aint gonna come from "out there"
In terms of written spiritual systems, I would say taoism is the best you can get at because its not shoving anything down your throat, just telling you to be still.
When you are ready for actual answers, try a psychedelic in nature.
>>696393573
Truth is, no one really knows what the fuck they're doing. Just live life as best as you can.
How? That's up to you OP.
Find your own meaning in life, just try not to be a dick.
>>696415940
what does F.D.N. stand for?
what God are you trying to believe in? one from a religion? they all have the wrong image and belief system. think of God as more of an Infinite Creator then a tyrant ruler judging us all. dont know if thats what you think of God, but just using it as an example
>>696395972
>non of my friends do psychedelics
I am sorry anon, it sucks to have muggles as friends
>>696403871
Can I see your fedora?
>>696417024
Agree to disagree. I feel it's alive and is life.
Science against science.
>>696403871
ughhh, this guy
>>696417506
can i see your diploma?
>>696416821
>>696416512
>>696415799
i'll go sleeping, i'm too long in this thread and i have to wake up early (vienna)
it doesn't matter what i would write next, i wouldn't make any difference and arguing and discussions online are not that important for me
shit, i should have left this thread 2hours ago
>>696416682
Psychology fag here. Free will exists. If you want the christian take remember it was satan who gave it to us. Not God. Im not making a point just i love pointing it out because too many christ fags missed that little tidbit.
But neurologically thinking, its a function in your pre frontal cortex that allows you to consciously override all of your regular habits and tendencies. You use it to start going to the gym, or you use it if you decide one day your beta ass should be alpha and you go pick a fight at a bar even though its against your nature.
Applied consistently you can change yourself and your routines.
It also takes a shit tonne of energy making it very tiring, its hella weak at times, and some people have poor functioning in that brain region so barely have it at all (see adhd).
For the most part you are a slave to yourself. Your personality is very much a combination of genetics and upbringing, and hard wired nature. Most of what you do is not free will, but a pre determined reaction to your exterior environment based on every moment leading to now. Theyll dominate you for most if not all your life.
Sorry, its kind of boring when illuminated.
>>696417362
God is God.
I follow the God Conciousness, specifically Shavist, beliefs.
I do not believe in good or evil. Such things are illusions.
All is God.
F.D.N.
>>696416379
you must not truly know you then. you are God. its not much of being absorbed but finally opening your eye and seeing than you are one and the same.
As long as you don't intentionally hurt others, you're doing it right.
>>696393573
Just study science.. science is full of endless truths and is just an updated version of the stuff the ancient teachers taught anyways. They were just trying to explain things to the best of their ability, but don't you think we can do that better today with the resources and knowledge we've acquired?
>>696417857
>god is god
>all is god
pick 1
>>696416934
May we indeed.
>>696393573
Yes except when the mind is no longer suggesting duality through language and is silent, it becomes apparent that you are already That. There is not actually one that becomes the eternal, for there is only the eternal. But do not take comfort in words. Do not pretend that you know. Even when you know that you are beyond the shadow self, you will know nothing. All knowing must go and be left to the total mystery of what is present here and now, namelessly, before true, non-verbal knowledge arises in the apparent merging into the unborn, deathless, not-two nature of consciousness. What is, is unspeakable, for words are bound by duality, yet the one who reads words, who knows all contrast, is beyond it. Short of this, some pointers would be to contemplate the idea, and to look in experience, that time is simply an appearance in that which is timeless. Throw out time and the immensity of what is present becomes more obvious. There is only one thing going on, and you are it.
>>696418050
God
F.D.N.
>>696418050
If I could have one wish it would be to wipe the notion of a god from everyone's memories so we could actually all start having sane conversations.
>>696393573
I dont think any major religion really explains it all when a lot of it is totally personal. At that point you can attach any meanings or images or names to the feelings you want. I do think eastern religions come the closest to my personal interpretation though
>>696418050
God is God. all is God. therefore God is all
>>696417747
Satan didn't give free will, he exploited it. Adam and Eve could have ate from the tree whenever they wanted, Satan just pursuaded them.
>>696418285
go is either go or all. Rule of identity.
If god is all, then nothing is god, god is nothing and god means nothing
>>696418332
Satan was just a metaphor for the ego it even translated like that in the Jewish text. Jews sit around laughing at silly goy that believe in santa and satan.
>>696411891
What role do chakras play in our lives and how do you align them?
>>696418514
You trust too much in language. The truth cannot be spoken
you're an idiot who can't think for himself and must rely on others' thoughts for fulfillment
>>696418332
if god didnt equip adam an eve with the sense of whats good and whats bad, why did he expect them to do the right thing and not eat from the tree and then punished them for it?
>>696417857
>I do not believe in good or evil. Such things are illusions.
It's a violation of moral rules to deliberately subject someone to harm without justification, just like it's a violation of the rules of chess to castle on the first move. Both sets of rules are entirely the result of human convention. If you don't agree that it's a violation of moral rules to hurt people without justification, then think of a counterexample.
None of that speaks to whether or not you should obey moral rules, however. "Why be moral?" is a complex question, but to suggest that "evil" is conceptually empty is false. Its definition in natural language is associated (at a minimum) with deliberate harm to humans.
>>696418645
rhetoric. U r not even wrong
>>696418514
If God is everything, why must God be nothing?
You are God.
Are you nothing?
F.D.N.
>>696417908
you are talking to a stranger via intermet, you have no idea who you are writting to
I am me, me is i
i am the addition of alls my experiences, memories, ideas, genetics, coincidences, unconciussness and other stuff
i am not a god, i am as unimportant as a stone
i change, i know, but the change happens in my skull
and i'd like to stay in my skull
and, yes, i enjoy life and the sufferi g
and no, i don't ever want to be someone/thing else than me because that'd be death by my defintion and i don',t want to die
because organisms fight to live, not to become one or to be reborn
>>696418605
You can't "align" them.. that's bull. Your body does produce harmonic resonance, but it's silly to think you need or can change them. There was movements of every type to try and reach nirvana with methods of focusing on your nose or third eye etc. but theyre bull.
>>696393573
all religions are lies,
all philosophies are incomplete.
if you feel fear for your soul or something, realize that it is your mind that likes to be fooled.
do not be afraid, be smart, fuck all gods they do not exist.
>>696418823
im neither god, nor nothing. If everything is god, then its not a characteristics differentiating anything, so it means nothing.
T.H.F.
>>696418690
To clarify, I do not believe in Good and Evil as either mystical forces nor earthly attitudes.
I do, however, believe in Ethics.
F.D.N.
>>696418645
>The truth cannot be spoken
Most enlightening thing I've read here so far.
>>696419082
It really is though.
>>696417857
never heard of Shavist or God Conciousness so ill look them up. also what F.D.N. means
>>696419222
F.D.N. is just my vanity.
>>696418841
Notice then for every idea you have of some "other" person or being in your experience, they have only a sense of I. All that exists shares the same sense of I. How can there be more than one I? There is only one. You are That. Thus, you can relax
>>696419075
Ah, then we're in agreement.
>>696419053
Separation is an illusion.
This is the failing.
You are your neighbor.
F.D.N.
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triforce of nihilism says why bother
The secret is to work on your inner self always. Try to figure people out so you can help them.
There isn't any heaven but what we make for ourselves.
>>696419513
join the borg
T.H.F.
>>696412454
Dude you literally have thoughts that there aren't even words for. At least words in any modern language. I don't know what I'm thinking in but I understand it and it isn't English or any language that survives today it seems
>>696419519
This. Either go nilhist, or failing killing yourself from it and go into Bhuddism. Or become God.
>>696419316
i don't care aboutthis thread anymore, i'll go to bed, gn8
>>696419316
I is nothing more than the knowledge you are seperate from other. It is a brain function like any other.
In fact the reason why people have such world is one feelings when on psychadelics is that specific part of the brain is turned off (on top of its other effects.
But because the brain is still conscious and mostly functional, it cannot make sense of itself as a seperate thing so it begins reporting you must be everything.
Its an easy computer to fool. See optical illusions.
>>696419641
The Borg got shit done.
F.D.N.
>>696418675
They didn't even realize they were naked until they ate the fruit. With that kind of naïvité, I doubt they had the desire to do anything that would be considered bad (maybe they ate with their mouths open).
>>696419888
so not only do u try to change the topic, but also they were punished for not even meaning to do harm. SOME FUCKIN MORAL STANDARD IS THAT GOD OF YOURS. REMEMBER, ITS OK TO BREAK SOME1S LEGS, IF HE WONT GIVE U HIS MONEY
>>696418583
I'll look into that sometime (probably won't, but at least it's a new perspective for me).
>>696417747
Free will is an illusion. Everything can be broken down at a science level and is all predetermined. You're mind is bombarded by hormones and peptides (over 300 per second) that all influence your mood and personality. It's all just wiring, chemical reactions, and cultural programming. If you feel free it's the chemical reactions talking. We are nothing more than tumble weeds.
>>696420185
Cant tell if you agree with me or didnt read or understand my whole post.
>>696418841
i never said i knew who you were or what you have been through. i just said that you dont fully know yourself. none of us do really.
you are not a God, you are God. you are a part of Him in physical form. even stones have their purpose, but if you were really unimportant you would cease to exist. youre still here so you are important even if you dont know why. humans arent like all other organisms that have to fight and fear for their lives everyday. not to the same extent at least. we have a higher consciousness to be able to reconnect with the Infinite Creator/God
>>696420301
Mostly agreeing, just revelating.
>>696419519
Being a nihilist gave a sense of freedom for everything but it also made me kind of depressed. What are your thoughts on Nihilism ?
>>696393573
>What is the truth?
We cannot know.
>>696419755
Snip
>>696420519
Indeed. I have a problem with tl;dr. Thanks for stepping up to help.
>>696420124
I said
>I doubt they have the desire to do anything bad
They still had the free will to choose to do something, but they didn't desire to do anything bad. And they were probably to naïve to think of anything bad anyways because nothing bad ever happened.
>>696420903
>they were probably to naïve to think of anything bad anyways because nothing bad ever happened.
They were also originally designed not to be able to tell right from wrong, so there's that. They didn't get a conscience until they ate from the tree, and God punished them anyway.
>>696416846
How long did it take to type that?
>>696420185
There still is something there. A spark that fights back. I like to believe it's at least a possibility.
>>696393573
The message is likely corrupted over time by Men.
Hint: It was the same Message when it was received.
HintHint: Corruption of the Message is part of the process
>>696421154
The spark is the spark of life, God. It is the unbroken pillar of flame that all life shares and has passed on.
Keep believing. Find truth.
>>696421120
Dude typed it on my phone too.. I was hoping to make a point but I guess I'm still just fleshing out my past trying to make sense of it.
>>696420526
Found beauty in it for awhile, but ultimately became depressed.
Now im stuck in a moral quandry of suffering for others, or not so much suffering but accepting mediocraty for the greater good of all of us, and saying fuck it and going off to do my own thing and pursue my own happiness, which ultimately i feel would also lead to a train wreck i caused myself.
When i love my gf ive known for 2 years but its kind of stale and a girl ive known and loved for 10 years is inviting me across the country to be with her. Wtf do?
Ill probably stay though. I got it good here. Ill just wonder what could have been and regret regardless of my choice...
>>696420903
u stupid fuck. They idnt know breaking rules is bad. GOD COULDNTVE EXPECTED THEM TO DO AS THEY R TOLD AND HAD NO RIGHT TO PUNISH THEM FOR IT. Its like putting an earthworm on a table and expect it to fly and then killing it for not flying. Its like expecting your child to built u a time machine and then imprisoning it in your basement for not building a time travel machine, u dense motherfucker.
>>696421274
Corruption of the message, fascinating. What by that exactly do you mean?
The only true God is Richard. This isn't even debatable.
>>696421521
>Now im stuck in a moral quandry of suffering for others, or not so much suffering but accepting mediocraty for the greater good of all of us, and saying fuck it and going off to do my own thing and pursue my own happiness, which ultimately i feel would also lead to a train wreck i caused myself.
>When i love my gf ive known for 2 years but its kind of stale and a girl ive known and loved for 10 years is inviting me across the country to be with her. Wtf do?
God, it's like you're me, except that the girl I've known and loved for 10 years just recently visited me rather than invited me.
>>696422092
Oh dude same! She flew home 2 weeks ago!
Its all so fresh now!
Doesnt help my gfs being a cunt lately. She isnt actually a cunt she just picked really bad timing to get all moody.
If you still believe in a god then you should do some research into the history of religion.
Cure yourself from that mind virus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik7GRQ9hoVY
>>696421462
If nothing else I enjoyed it anon. I do believe that there is too much order for our existence to not be created by some thing. I lean toward the view that we are the universe observing itself, we are all "god"
The consciousness is strong. Maybe a long long time ago "it" was thinking and was like hey I wonder if I can take a physical form, and then it created the universe. I hope your arm is waiting for you somewhere. Who knows maybe you'll leave your physical self here
>>696421119
Dammit I took your bait.
I originally said that Adam and Eve had free will, and I'm right.
You changed the topic to
>if god didn't equip them with a sense of what good and bad...
Knowing what's good and bad has nothing to do with free will.
OP, if you're still here, what denomination were you as a Christian?
>>696422916
it has to do with the expectations of the author of the rules and the right to punish, u cock.
Put down your bongs asswipes. It's all in your head.
>>696422916
But to be clear, I will acknowledge that they weren't aware of what is good and bad because the name of the tree was the one of "knowledge of good and evil"
Stupid me on that one.
I'm never gunna dance again
Guilty feet ain't got no rhythm
>>696422916
How do you do whatever you want if you dont know the options?
>>696422865
Tnx /b/ro. I like your idea. Could totally be true.
My Rabbi eventually told me nobody knows the truth and to find your own way.
I'm really into quantum theories and multiverse theories these days.
>>696393573
Even though I'm of a Western religion (Islam), I think the Eastern religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, etc. have lots to offer in terms of answers, rituals, and ideas. Follow whatever makes the most sense to you.
>>696423625
Oh absolutely multiverse makes sense. If the sea breaks down into innumerable water molecules, and our planet is a piece of a solar system in our universe, why wouldn't our universe be a part of something greater? If you know about the observable universe you understand that sometime In the future we could possibly see another universe next to ours.
Do you still trip?
>>696421684
Not him, but I assume he meant that it has something to do with humans purposely misinterpreting and changing the original message so they can use it to rule the masses.
Look at the relationship monarchs and church had way back. Monarchs gave people that were related to church in any way many privileges, and in return, the church would claim that monarch is chosen by God to rule, so a rebellion against the ruling family would be a rebellion against God which meant they would burn in Hell.
>>696424625
When i watched the new cosmos my brain exploded when they suggested each black hole could contain a universe and even we may be in one.
>>696423545
I would probably do nothing, and follow my instinct. I suppose you're going for the "your body is a bunch of chemicals and cells doing what it wants and you're not in control" kind of thing -- in which case that perspective is something I could agree with.
From a religious view, if I were Adam and Eve, I would have the option to eat from a forbidden tree, or to not it from it. Whether that choice is good or bad I don't know, but I would have a free-will to do so.
>>696396581
Underrated post
>>696424730
man created "God", and the "message".
>>696424854
Exactly what im going for. I had the original post that started this debate ive been drifting in and out of.
But yeah the brains quite fascinating and follow that rabbit hole deep enough and you wind up unable to blame anyone for anything ever.
Its a bizarre depressing place that also takes off a lot of pressure. I just try to be the best that I can. Then again my own psychology seems to be geared towards cooperation so.. Thats just kind of what ill do.9
>>696424625
Hell yea. A few months ago I did a huge shrooms and mdma trip. I'm horrible at meditation but I think a psychedelic journey works too. It helps push you into taking that step inside yourself.
>>696425205
That's not really the point, although you're probably right about that. The problem is that even if the holy scriptures were given to people by the God, they would still be corrupted which means that you can't trust any of them.
I don't know what the truth is either, but I had two hyper religious psychosis in my life, felt like becoming one with god, but words cant really describe it.
I was raised as an atheist, but after that I looked a lot into all kinds of religions too, read the bible etc. and I feel like there's some kind of truth to be found in all these holy texts.
Many people see those texts as absolute word for word truth, when they are just metaphors. To use a metaphor, they try to climb this signpost that is the bible, or the koran, or whatever, instead of seeing it as a sign that is to guide them along the path towards God.
I found my answer to the question is there a God, but I have many more questions now than before.
I believe we are connected to God in one way or another, and if we listen to this little voice inside, you can also call it conscience, you can't do much wrong.
>>696394374
>alan watts
can't recommend this guy enough. There's hours of his lectures on YT