why do retarded gun nuts think owning guns will protect them from the govt? the military would crush them all lol
>>694473421
They claim it's for when the gummint fail, what a dumb thing to base something off.
>>694473421
>b-but the military will revolt and fight for us
okay, are you going to use your AR-15 to shoot down a drone cruising a mile above your head dropping bombs?
Just like they crushed the taliban
And just like the crushed ISIS
And the Viet Cong.
I'm so glad I'm Canadian and not some fuckhead yankee doodle
>>694473421
>why do retarded gun nuts think owning guns will protect them from the govt? the military would crush them all lol
The military won't turn against it's own people, its the foreign soldiers that are planted at our bases that are going to. I've seen them during my time in the service, Chinese soldiers were the red flag for me.
>>694473836
Nope, but I can sure as hell use it to make warring against the civilian populace more expensive than it's worth to oppress us.
>>694473421
I was in the Army and we couldn't even shut down a country of 30 million backward 3rd world goat fuckers. There are single cities almost that big in the US and a hell of a lot more guns. The military wouldnt crush shit.
>>694473421
https://m.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/47fl0n/is_a_nonviolent_revolution_feasible_in_the_us_or/d0cxl7t
I would rather go down shooting than sit with my thumb up ass if I'm bout to die anyways
>>694473421
Just like in vietnam huh :)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have guns for sports like target shooting and just plain fun.
>>694474747
474747 noice
>>694474282
I do what I want you stupid moosefucker.
>>694473845
>>694473932
>>694474099
so you're suggesting some percent of the population if well armed could in fact defeat the US military? and how would they all converge to do that?
>>694473421
>because it's impossible for cold war tech to decimate us forces
>>694474294
So in your opinion...if an actual revolution occurred and you were called to arms to kill civilians, you're saying you would disobey?
>>694474738
So many faggots don't get this.
>>694473421
You're under the assumption that soldiers would willingly kill US citizens. During my time in the military I learned that the majority of soldiers thought that 9/11 was an inside job, zombies are a possibility, and that nearly all of them would do whatever it took to keep firearms in the hands of US citizens after seeing what shitty farmers could do with a rusted AK and cold war vehicles could do.
Even if 25% of the US armed forces mutinied against command it would leave the rest in such shambles that a civil war could easily be stared. You're forgetting that the US Military still keeps hard copies of medical records rather them input them into a computer. Any one that as served can tell you the US military is a giant cluster fuck and that convincing soldiers to kill civilians let alone planning an efficient tactic to do so is ludicrous.
TL;DR fuck off eurotrash
>>694474747
>comparing 50 year old technology skirmishes in low visibility entrenchments on the other side of the world to Walmart off of I170 that lies within 8 hours of half the nations landing strips
>>694474923
They dont have to converge dumbass. In fact they'd be idiots to converge in one place and make it easy. Its called guerrilla warfare and thousands of incidents all over the country are much harder to fight than just a few larger gatherings. Thats assuming all of the military would even fight which they wouldnt.
>>694475268
>taking it sitting down
So basically, you're a bitch? :)
>>694473421
The military would crush the people who keep it running?
Very interesting. What brand of faggotry nonsense are you smoking?
>>694475268
>taliban
>just desert
>0 cover
>>694474923
>how would they all converge to do that?
Using tri-cornered hats to communicate with.
Ask any patriot.
OP got rekt
>>694475016
It's an unlawful order. He wouldn't have to obey it.
>>694473421
Anyone who wants to disarm themselves and their fello Americans, suck cock by choice
>>694475392
Sit down or stand up, you're gonna get raped. Your life is at the behest of America not a fan of killing Americans. Were we actually in a police state, youd have a drone up your ass after you hit the enter key
>>694475239
Former army vet here. This guys right. That and the fact most soldiers would never fire on civilians. Even if they did there's just not enough soldiers to lock down the entire country. We couldnt even lock down Baghdad you think we could shut down LA or Chicago?
>>694475466
>just desert
>tunnels
>100s of square miles of mountain desert, laced with tunnels
>super easy
>>694475801
Not as bad for me, i'm not black. And rather get raped complaining about it than just bending over and taking it...
>>694474862
>>694475103
Don't get what ? All I'm saying is if shit hit fan I would rather have a weapon than not, not saying it's happening
OH BOY IT'S THIS THREAD AGAIN
the bottom line is that the government would not be able to inflict civilian casualties indiscriminately as it would provoke foreign intervention.
in order to kill the right people, they have to know the right people. to know the right people, you have to talk to people. as in have human contact between the military and any people of interest.
it'd be an unwinnable insurgency, and I haven't even touched on how frail u.s. infrastructure is.
>>694476050
Wat, both of us agree with you
>>694474549
That's a big meaty pussy. Thought it was a ballsack in the thumbnail.
>>694476013
Im not black either and I beg you to "stand up for your rights" so you can be shot to death. Please, go enforce tour sovereign citizen rights, faggot.
>>694475955
>the cities aren't in tunnels
>>694475829
How'd overtaking that Bird Sanctuary in Oregon go for the people?
Or Ruby Ridge...
Waco...
What happened in Philly with the MOVE group?
>>694476311
Sorry didn't mean it like that to tag you I'm on the same page now
>>694473421
Civil war, faggot. And guess who's going to live out the rest of their lives in a POW camp?
You.
>>694476376
So you just give up your rights.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
>>694475016
Civilian now, but yes and so would have a good portion of our bases.
>>694476464
>taking back a single building complex is equal to the complete capture of thousands of major cities
Stop being retarded.
>>694476171
Yeah like all that intervention in darfur...
Standard protocol in the internationally community is to stay out or civil wars. America and Russia re pretty much the only countries to violate this rule.
And who do you think Russia would support if the American govt was "slaughtering" it's civilians in a civil war?
>>694476636
But why tho? Why would a soldier who 'stands for their country' (as I hear a lot) then attack it?
>>694476560
I have my rights. Plenty of them. More than any other country. So do you, but you're a spoiled brat and think you deserve more and have bought into a retarded ideology.
>>694474294
Army bases sound like the tribalism of prisons
>>694476995
No i'm just not going to give them up, not try and get more. If you're willing to do that, at least you can tell me how the cock tastes, cause I know i'll never taste it. :)
>>694473570
they're worried about the government failing and they want donald trump for president? logic
>>694473421
Why do /b/tards shitpost? It doesn't make them any less a virgin.
>>694476794
Because soldiers stand to defend our people and our land, "from threats both foreign and domestic" hope i got our oath right. Its been a while
>>694473421
>why do retarded gun nuts think owning guns will protect them from the govt? the military would crush them all lol
US citizens outgun the US military by a vast ratio. The guerilla war would last for decades and make governing impossible.
>>694476171
ok well why is the govt so scared of people then?
are you telling me the corporate leeches that are polluting our earth and stealing our money are going to let this happen?
Why do you retards think we couldn't do anything to the government with guns? We only need them to take out strategic points. We wouldn't be exchanging fire very often until some other country came to the aid of the rebellion and then we would have military equipment and training enough to fight anyone dumb enough to oppose us.
>>694473421
>the govt
you mean niggers
>>694476516
Who is on each side of this war? Us versus corporations?
Even though I despise conservatives I wouldn't let that stand in my way of joining forces with them
>>694476670
That's the first step though right? Before its a group large enough to take over cities it would be people in a compound or building or plot of land. You're skipping steps in the militarization
>>694477280
Lol okay. I'll keep on not sucking dick because I understand basic cause and affect on the political scale while you arm yourself against the boogeyman. I wish dems actually wanted to take guns so I could possibly see you get mowed down in your front yard.
>>694477356
But why attack the people, surely the value of human life over rules the value of land and basic human morals would stop the military from killing
>>694477624
It would be private armies vs citizens essentially.
>>694473421
you mean like the vietnam war?
>>694476670
>proves militia can't take over a building
>expects them to take over a city
Major KEK
>>694477356
... you think the government will just say "go and slaughter your fellow civilians"?
They'll say "eliminate those socialists/Communists/traitors/terrorists/[insert any other fear mongering label here]. Take up arms to defend life, liberty and pursuing if happiness! These [insert term here] are betraying our forefathers. And it's up to YOU to defend what they created"
If there's one thing the US army is incredibly good at, is PR and spin
>>694477356
Wouldn't the armed groups seizing territory in the US be considered a "domestic threat"?
>>694477790
what do you think the military is for and does?
>>694477759
Notice how you're the one saying violent stuff to someone who has a different opinion. God damn your stupidity hurts
>>694477790
I think you have me confused. I'd rebel in a heart beat. I meant our government being the domestic threat and defending our land from them.
>>694477593
What happened in the late 90's? Nig nogs go on sabbatical?
Why are you a pro government shill?
>>694477835
Would the members of that private army be citizens?
>>694477938
I recognize this as a chairforce vet. Propaganda is real.
>>694477959
It's a low paying job for people who can't get real work or hack college. They'd barely have the ability to hold a gun straight, much less shoot Americans. Why do you think everyone who comes home from actual fighting has ptsd now?
>>694478152
Bill Clinton and all his anti-nig laws.
3 strikes basically put a lot of violent nigs behind bars for 20 years
>>694473421
Your retard the military is made up of the people which most will not support the government. I was in the military and I wouldn't support the government trying to destroy the constitution. So shut the fuck up and go back to your California suburb liberal home thinking the government is going to always act in your best interest.
>>694477957
Depends which side you choose to fight for.
>>694478100
That doesn't make any sense. You are the government. Someone who wants to destabilize or destroy it is the enemy
>>694478178
Not guranteed. Mercenaries can come from anywhere.
>>694478027
Never said I was a liberal. I want to see lone wolves massacred. If you whine about muh rites, let you catch a bullet for it.
Criminals exist, dipshit. So do bears, mountain lions and coyotes who may or may not attempt to kill and eat you. Speaking of animals, my own father was murdered during a home invasion, he was unarmed, robber was armed, killed my dad goddamn anyway. Why? Because my dad is white and the robber was black and full of hate for whites. I also personally know two people who have been attacked by mountain lions, the unarmed one lost a hand, the armed one used 12 cents worth of bullets and got to keep all his body parts.
So, in a world like this what foolass is unarmed? Especially when you have a constitutional right to arms?
Liberals: How much money and time do you think it would take to collect all the guns in America? How violent do you think this event would be? I'll take my answer off the air, thanks.
>>694478260
And here it is, the current year and the democrats and pretending that nigs are human. The 90's was the shit, fuck millennials.
>>694478346
I was, not anymore.
counterinsurgency never works, doesn't matter what tech is used
the brits in Malaysia, the French in algeria, the US in vietnam, the russians in afghanistan, even napoleon in Spain (where the term guerilla comes from) learned this
you either play to win by wiping them out or you lose. no in between
>>694478303
What are the sides? I can't figure out how an entire new govt is going to spring up and seize major territory in the US
>>694478566
it's happened before
It was gun owners' responsibility to create a Well-Regulated Milita. They didn't.
It was gun owner's responsibility to Protect The People from tyranny. They didn't.
Gun owners have joined the tyrannical. And thus have lost their right to own guns.
The 2nd Amendment will be repealed. Guns will be banned. Guns will be confiscated. All within the next 20 years.
>>694477938
>If there's one thing the US army is incredibly good at, is PR and spin
Hell they even got MacArthur to attack the Bonus Army vets in '32.
>>694478621
No it hasn't, not in the way you're suggesting
>>694478398
And I never said you were :). And no you don't, you're trying to act edgy. You probably nearly throw up when you get a nose bleed
>>694478566
The sides would be any loyalist fighting for the side of the government, and the rebels which are going to be anyone who decides to take up arms and fight against the government.
>why do retarded gun nuts think owning guns will protect them from the govt? the military would crush them all lol
Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria are notable examples of failed crush attempts. Military illiterates think the US wouldn't be divided, including the military, in civil war.
Military illiterates cannot count and have no idea of the size of the US forces plus reserves plus reserve vehicles vs. the enormous number of weapons held by the public, many of whom are vets themselves (self included).
Small arms are merely part of a revolt, but a dispersed revolt leaves no safe harbor and ties down large forces. Partisans in WWII are examples of the few tying down large forces which could not be used elsewhere.
Military illiterates have no idea how to take out weak points with light forces. All the armored fighting vehicles in the US inventory might secure a couple of States, but they need logistics to roll and POL burns. The US doesn't do armored resupply. Tank cars and trucks burn. Rails are easy to sabotage without the damage being visible.
Cops can't control areas from MRAPs, and MRAPS roll easily so they are nearly useless off-road and mire in wet or soft terrain. Infantry has to LEAVE them to fight which exposes them to gunfire.
The US couldn't control Iraq in a war and Iraq is tiny compared to CONUS. A bunch of sand nigs are still in the fight after outlasting Saddam, the US, and their competition.
US global power is tied up protecting our frenemies. US naval power is useless in a CONUS land war. US air power sits on unhardened bases and has a delicate support system easily disrupted.
The US military is tiny compared to its Cold War size, and is designed for nation-state war, not counterinsurgency in the homeland.
>>694478636
>The 2nd Amendment will be repealed. Guns will be banned. Guns will be confiscated. All within the next 20 years.
And we will all be a lot safer.
>>694478519
Do you realize how many Vietnamese were killed in the Vietnam war? Do you realize how many Afghanies were killed by the Soviets?
The tune of millions (in each conflict). Counterinsurgencies are most certainly effective.
Also, you're trying to compare the US with extremely poor, developing nations. The average American has far too much to lose in these meager times. A gun ban is not only possible - it's likely.
>>694478433
And this gets to the heart of the matter - people in America want guns because of rampant racism. It's got nothing to do with home protection. It's got nothing to do with sport. It's all about the nignogs that will kill because they hate.
>America, the land of the terrified
They would not.
The first problem you would have is that your military would not fight it´s own people.
This is the reason why Austria or France had to send Soldiers from other regions so supress the people.
If the US would try to fight it´s own people it would loose 50-70% of the soldiers and generals.
After that the Deserters would join the rebels wich would have weapons because of the 2nd amendment.
Even if the people lost it would not be worth it.
>>694478701
> entire new govt is going to spring up and seize major territory in the US
is that not what the confederacy was?
from a legal sense, you're right, but for the length of the war non-occupied confederate states were a de facto nation state
>>694478856
well said.
>>694478842
That's doesn't really mean anything. There would have to be some sort of unifying body for the rebels. A government of their own. With a stance on something that people saw as an appealing alternative. If it's just order vs chaos then no one is going to join that. What's the point?
>>694478856
>designed for nation-state war, not counterinsurgency in the homeland.
what are iraq and afghanistan wars?
you faggots who think you need firearms to take down a "tyrannical" US government are no better than other terrorist groups. (see oklahoma city bombing)
To you who have said "You need a MILITIA to have firearms" - I guess you never heard the Heller v DC and McDonald v City of Chicago decisions from the supreme court that say home ownership of firearms for security or whatever else you want is legal and protected by the second amendment.
>>694476995
Problems with your argument:
A. We're talking about America, not any other country
B. Even if we were, those people in oppressed countries would most likely want to protect what rights they can.
>>694479121
If you are judging "effective" by body bags, then sure. But if "effective" is holding territory and maintaining order, neither Nam or Afganistan were successes.
Granted- would a US revolt have the same fervor that the viet cong had? Probably not. But I think you underestimate how desperate people can get, especially if they feel threatened.
>>694473421
Implying the military would turn on citizens
>>694479217
No, it didn't just spring up. There was a clear division and the state governments of those states all seceded from the USA. The existing governments just removed themselves from the federal government, but continued to operate. You're talking about an insurgency with no clear motivator other than "fuck the government" you would still need some form of government, and it's not going to appear out of nowhere and without it you're fucked by federal military
>>694473421
>>694479256
I have an inkling that alot of individuals would defect, there wouldn't be an immediate governing body for the rebels, but as more and more people congregate together there would be small groups forming communication and communities, which would only get bigger from there. The point is, if this hypothetical were to happen, the defectors would reform naturally.
our military couldn't suppress iraq or afghanistan. imagine trying to take us over. lol op is cucked.
>>694475016
It is perfectly acceptable to disobey that order. In the Soldiers Creed you state "I serve the People of the United States" Also "I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life". To kill civilians in our country would be an illegal order.. and even if it somehow became authorized, most, hopefully all of the military would never willingly fight our own, for some politician who could give a shit about us.
>>694479479
In serious revolution the lives of innoncents don't matter if they serve the enemy. It is both acceptable and desirable to destroy all enemy support systems and humans.
OK City didn't work because the US is completely comfy and there is nothing worth fighting for. Everyone who matters has food, clothing, shelter and entertainment. The economy is doing fine.
Right now we have a media culture of butthurt, but the US has no serious problems. Crime is low where it matters, and the cops capping trash for being trash is trivial.
BTW the definition of "militia" is what the Framers defined it as when writing the Second Amendment, not what anyone else FEELS it is.
>>694478636
Those first two lines are actually a really good point. Why DON'T we have well-regulated militias?
>>694478636
When that happens I hope a civil war ensure because I for one will be hunting liberals and niggers and politicians.
>>694479853
fair point, I understand what you are saying.
I would argue that those divides that solidified in the 1850's are rising again though- north vs south, industry vs agricultural (region wise, at least), rich v poor, etc
>>694479731
a major issue with the US war with vietnam and the Soviet war with afghanistan were both due in part to outside forces supporting the other side.
>>694479731
I can imagine how threatened white racists in the Midwest and south will be when we ban and confiscate their guns.
There will be some small 'insurgencies'. But the govt has an immensely advanced arsenal. Spooky gunships, Apache helicopters, 20mm sniper rifles, A-10 ground support.
>Flir
>see heat signature of 30 insurgents, armed with their AR-15's
>get permission to kill
>brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp from the 30mm
>30 dead insurgents
The average American won't die for their guns.
>>694473421
you stupid fuck.
we arm ourselves in order to waste niggers when they come up the driveway.
the government isn't coming for us.
dumbass.
>>694479058
>implying big weapon manufacturers would let you do this hun :)
>implying lizard people would let you remove the americans guns, and make them less trained to be a better oiled part in their military engine :))
>get nuked nigger
>>694480340
You'd be dead the first day. You won't be hunting anyone lol - do you know who you're going up against? When we ban guns, son, you'll be fighting the US military, NATO, and the UN. no, you won't be doing any hunting. you'll be running.
>>694480004
It would have to be ready made man. Because otherwise you're just a bunch of disparate Waco/ruby ridge type groups and that's easy to deal with. You'd need to all be in the same place with a plan and government and seize something big like a city or something. I agree with the points about the govt not being able to fight its citizens, but thats skipping steps to already having a huge number of citizens involved in the fighting. It would be written off and crushed way before it gained that support.
>>694473421
>implying the military would fire on US Citizens
>implying 2/3 of them wouldnt join the citizens or desert
>>694480401
You're not taking into account the amount of people who use those toys defecting. Leaving them as oversized paper weights
>>694473421
Mfw people don't realize 90% of the military would not tolerate any adverse actions on the American population.
>>694480375
US civil war would see influx of equipment from anyone willing to sell and anyone willing to buy.
Putin and the Chinese would pay billions to destabilize us, or at the very least get out military out of their spheres (ex South China Sea)
>>694473421
The military has family ties here also. What do you think would happen to them?
>>694480598
That is where you are wrong. I'm ex-military and on top of it I am not afraid to die. I know I would probably get killed somewhere along the line but not before I took a bunch of them with me.
>>694480344
Not anywhere close to it. Everyone and culture is way more dispersed than in 1850. Which states would the line be drawn in?
>>694480602
That is true, it would all have to kick off at once for anything to happen.
>>694473421
>>694473570
>>694473836
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>>694474099
Woah samefagging harder than microcucks pajeet army that invaded /g/
Americans like getting shot. It's ok. It's natural selection.
>>694480131
Any vet knows there are a shitload of country white boys in combat arms. They ain't gonna cap their kin.
Any vet knows some of the most cynical people regarding government are vets. Go read Smedley Butler, he didn't win CMOH x2 for nothing.
One sniper willing to die can tie up a city. Think the sand niggers are the only ones with balls enough to go down fighting?
What one man or woman can do, another man or woman can do.
>>694473421
The Afghani's were using shot out AK's, Mosin Nagants designed in the 19th century, Turkman blackpowder rifles and other miscellaneous garbage. Yet for 14 years now, they have resisted not only the US but pretty much every other Western power as well.
>>694481004
Actually its mostly niggers that like to get shot.
>>694480401
I live in the south. I'm glad you can sit in your gated community on the lower east side and tell me what is best for me.
And I'm sure President Hillary would love that headline: 30 Americans killed by helicopter strike
>>694480967
Which is incredibly unrealistic if not impossible.
>>694480270
The armed citizens ARE an integral part of the "militia".
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndmea.html
>>694481234
Which is why im glad i live in the mountains.
>>694480741
>Chinese would pay billions to destabilize us
not at all likely, they benefit from the US stability in many many ways
>Putin would pay billions to destabilize us
this would be very short sighted and very disastrous in the long term and even putin understands this
>US civil war would see influx of equipment
how would they purchase these weapons if US currency is worthless?
it's always amusing to see you narrow minded fanatics create these quite imaginative fantasy scenarios
>>694481004
Washington D.C, Los Angeles, Chicago and New York City are all cities with the strictest gun control laws yet are still the most violent cities in the country. This proves that violent crime does not correlate with gun ownership. If that was so, Alaska and Texas would have the highest rate of firearm homicide in the US.
>>694475268
The Vietnamese were using fucking bamboo sticks against us, we were technologically superior but lost a war via death by 1,000 cuts.
>>694480736
It's not gunning down civilians in the street it's fighting an armed insurgency operating in the streets, who are likely killing civilians too
guns are good to protect yourself when a conflict arises. the police can only assist during or after a conflict starts. that said the us military could definitely kill everyone in the us, but that wouldn't be their goal if the government was imposing unjust laws
>>694480922
rural vs urban areas.
Take, say, Atlanta. Progressive, cosmopolitan city surrounded by white conservatives. Same with places like Houston, New Orleans, St. Louis. Guys with the guns surrounding the ones with the iPhones
>>694480131
i know. also considering most of the military is now filled with whiny entitled cucks.
>boo hoo i signed papers give me eveything
>boo hoo jody is my sons father
>>694473421
There are multiple reasons for owning firearms but this is the most important. A country whose citizens have guns has the ability to keep its government in line and working for them. Owning guns doesn't make us think we can defeat our government. Owning guns allows people to fight for their rights if need be.
>>694481670
thanks for calling me a narrow minded fanatic. Do I want any of this to happen? No. Do I acknowledge the possibility? Yes. That is what adults do.
>>694480232
Unless you were told those civilians, who by that one would be known as terrorists, or defectors, or traitors, are considered a threat to 'the American way of life'
Then what?
>>694473421
Shitty b8 thread from a faggy nigger op...
Don't be a filthy double nigger like op
>>694482205
and there is a possibility somewhere in the universe/multiverse i am king of my own planet where i get my genitals washed by waifus every hour and bacon is our planetary currency
>>694481988
ok that's not how things work. You are 12 and think everyone lives in the lines drawn on tv. I bet half of the people in rural area surrounding Atlanta work in the city. Where is the seat of government in states? Cities. How does the country people besiege or fight the city people? You can't have a war of urban vs rural you need both to have an economy
>>694481670
>how would they purchase these weapons if US currency is worthless?
Gold? Bitcoin? Canadian $? Whatever else is being used for trade if the dollar collapses?
Money of some kind never just disappears you know
Its not like anyone was importing any weapons to Zimbabwe after their money became worthless right anon?
you stupid fuck
>>694480401
>But the govt has an immensely advanced arsenal. Spooky gunships, Apache helicopters, 20mm sniper rifles, A-10 ground support.
That hasn't decisively defeated the Taliban even with B-52 air support. Tactical aircraft can't be everywhere and only the stupid stand out as targets.
Aircraft must land sometime and rely on mundane shit like spare parts and fuel. Mortar an air base and they burn. The expedient Syrian-style "hell cannons" are enough for that job. If you think mortars and rockets can't fuck shit up, they've been doing it since air base attacks during Viet Nam. An A-10 is deadly when it's moving. It's not deadly when parked, just flammable. There are very few AC-130. They are not more protected from mortar fire than any other airframe.
Unconventional war is not some faggy duel. The enemy has a moral support system vulnerable to attack. Everyone and anyone on their side is a valid target.
In what branch did you serve or are you some stupid cunt? Choose one.
What keeps the peace is everything is fine except crime, and even the New Black Panther Party supports the Second Amendment. There will be no revolt in this century because we are all comfy.
>>694482558
I love that planet.
>>694480598
How are NATO (who are impotent and can't do power projection) going to intervene in the US without any legal mandate?
You don't think much, do you?
>>694482571
sticking with Atlanta: there are maybe a dozen main highways into the city. Block those and people start getting hungry.
>>694482404
This picture sums it up. Too bad the generations that shaped this nation with this mentality are slowly fading away and being replaced by weak sensitive safe space needing degenerates.
>>694475783
Kek, you obviously have no idea how the military works. I guess mowing down an entire Vietnamese village isn't that unlawful. You do what you are ducking ordered to do and have fun with disagreeing with your CO and being court marshalled or in this case executed because of revolution at hand.
>>694483023
That is so unfeasable It's funny
i just.....
i can't.
you people are ill and sick
literally shaking right now.....
wow.....just. just wow. literally unbelievable.
ill never understand this place.
it feels like
after the past 2 weeks i have been here it just seems to get worse and worse.....
blatant racism
child porn spam
animal abuse
anti semitism
holocaust denial
woman hating
homophobia
fat shaming
off topic adult cartoons
looking at guy penises
thinking males are females
the list goes on and on.......
having the n word literally hurled around like it was a casual insult......
the same old shit threads repeated every single day...
calling each other faggots thinking it's cool but it's actually just embarrassing
are there even moderators to control this insane place??!!!
disgusting.....are you even "humans"? or just jaded pieces of SHIT??!!
i see why you people are called the sewer of the internet...
>>694482642
i know so many people who own hundreds of thousands of dollars of bitcoins, gold and canadian currency? (wait, no i dont) also, pretty sure electricity wouldnt be reliable if at all, so that rules out A LOT of things to aid an insurgency
>>694473836
>okay, are you going to use your AR-15 to shoot down a drone cruising a mile above your head dropping bombs?
No, retard. Taking out the drone manufacturer, the support logistics, the operators families, and surprise mortaring the drone base would be a start. Drones are over rated. They don't control A-stan which is tiny compared to CONUS.
>>694473421
Usually i would resort to logic and reason but in this case i think the following would suffice: "fuck off you cucky faggot"
>>694483425
You're gonna be killing the families of military servicemen no one will join your cause
>>694483227
>>694474923
They don't need to converge. War doesn't have to work that way and unconventional war certainly doesn't. See Syria, Iraq and A-stan.
>>694483644
So just people rioting essentially?
>>694479956
>>694483227
>>694483227
ow that hurt now go browse reddit and watch some cat videos.
>>694483760
That's such bullshit
>>694476464
They didn't matter and you KNOW they weren't serious players, so fuck off with your fallacious comparisons.
Faggots think the freaks on the fringe represent the enormous, silent, and often well trained hundreds of millions of gun owners.
Hundreds of millions is no joke.
>>694484041
Feel free to elaborate
>>694484121
>trained hundreds of millions of gun owners.
>trained
kek'd
>>694484121
All of the gun owners are willing to wage war and endanger the life of their family and their own? I think the Waco type incidents show the ven diagram of gun owner and willing to fight the US govt
>>694484339
>Often
Look, if a good enough percentage of citizens rebelled they would win flat out. Just like there was no winning Vietnam and the wars in the Middle East, there would be no winning wars here. This is because you can't win with military action against gorilla warfare if the rebellion is large enough.
>>694484541
Have to be a lot of em and all at once
>>694484041
It is logically supportable.
Which parts do you take issue with and why?
The grid is so fragile one person with common tools can drop a tower, or drop it onto a substation. You can carry them in a backpack.
Refineries burn. Tank farms burn. Pipelines above ground can be opened and when the gas hits a spark, buh bye!
Enemy civilians would be easy to murder, triggering mass panic. Cops are sniper bait. Shit, a Civil War musket loaded with buck and ball is plenty lethal, and then you could harvest enemy gear.
>>694484852
>guerrilla warfare
>all at once
lol
>>694484541
>gorilla warfare
Kek
>>694484485
that is still being VERY generous to the notion a sizable portion of firearm owners are experienced in the various knowledge related armed combat, have a willingness to put their everyday lifestyle aside while putting everything they love/care for in immediate danger AND have the means to sustain the insurgency
now, i can agree there are some nutjobs who think this what they truly want, but in all likelihood they dont and wouldnt last very long if such a such a scenario ever presented itself. (which given how the general public reacts to mass shootings doesnt even hold into the realm of probability)
>>694473421
Get rekt faggot
>>694485027
Yes, I agree that things are vulnerable to attack. I don't see how a rebellion without a government or central command can accomplish anything but chaos. I don't think ability or numbers is the issue. It's organization and motive.
>>694473421
>>694473421
>The military would crush them all lol
Implying that not owning a gun makes you invincible to armed forces.
>>694473421
It's about not letting them do whatever they want... If the government comes in they will kill you but at least go down fighting
>>694473421
>thinking military can crush insurgency
Nigga you been around the last 15 years?
>>694483760
>US Army tier marksman min requirement
stopped reading there
>>694474282
I hear ya my fellow Canuck. Let the Americans kill each other off then we can just swoop in and take what is rightfully ours
>>694485977
They could if they waged total war. But we don't do that anymore.
>>694483068
Fuck the degenerate who don't know that their nation was build because of violence like all other nations before it.
>>694486125
>>694485447
Well the point is if it really got to the point of rebellion, it wouldn't be a choice because their everyday life would have already been disrupted to a point of rebellion.
When their back is against a wall most people get fierce and don't die easily.
>>694486108
the chaos would spill over the border dumnass it would be a massacre
>>694486108
Fuck yeah. Dumbass retard americants are just dieing for us to tell them how to legitimately run a country
>>694486108
Knowing Canadians and their politicians they'd probably declare the whole territory a safe space for Natives.
ITT /b/ breaks down into a guerrilla milita
>>694486390
Nope they (americans) are too stupid to even get close. Plus Trudeau is gonna build a wall
>>694486588
Fine by me then we can take their land here. Done and done
>>694486278
yeah okay buddy keep jerking off to this fantasy like those crazies in the desert that get off on creating a grossly perverted religious state which really serves nothing and does nothing for humanity.
Tell that to Americans 240 years ago
>>694486652
You remember when your little brother started talking shit and you had to slap the shit out of him so he remembers his place? Thats you right now lol, its cute.
>>694473421
>the military
what is that? a huge robot?
hi im anon and i don't know how the us military works
>>694474282
Yeah must be nice to have superpower right next door to drive your entire shit economy, asswipe.
>>694473421
Kill yourself, faggot, no. Die.
>>694486652
Trudeau ftw
>>694486738
Why do you think im jerking to the idea?
It would literally be the downfall of my currently amazing way of life. No thank you. If it happens, it happens, but i dont wish for it.
>Implying soldiers will work without getting paid during a Government collapse.
>An election between Hillary "Cunt" Clinton and Donald "Money" Trump.
>The government totally not failing us.
>Totally not corrupt.
>Totally should just hand our guns over to Hillary.
Fuck you, why should we listen to these fucking retards? I want to keep my right to a gun just like I think we should have a right to a president and government that isn't total shit. Why that's not a right anymore is beyond me, and why a scratch vote that delays the election until someone who isn't shit comes along isn't a thing yet is still beyond me, because I can promise you it would be a majority if there ever was. I'd rather shut down the government and keep things as they are until a decent choice of candidates come along than allow someone who is completely shit to lie, conspire and dicksuck their way into the office. Nobody getting press currently is fit to be president.
>>694473421
Which is it liberal faggots?
A bunch of camel fucking, semi literate savages will never be subdued by the US military because guerilla warfare, or a vast force of better trained, more widely dispersed citizen militia will be crushed in their own counties by a smaller, weaker, divided version of that same military?
Just kidding. I know you morons are too stupid. Adter all, it's up to me to point out this contradiction, every single time.
>>694487068
Lol shit economy. That's why we have higher per capita gdp and higher incomes from lower to upper classes. Ha get bent retard.
>>694486624
That's what /k/ is for, innawoods
>>694486108
What is it that you faggots think you do? Let me list all of the mission critical companies based in Canada...
Something something syrup...something something flannel.....hmm
..............
>>694486900
If America touched Canada inappropriately the whole goddamn world would be assfucking you in an instant
>>694482354
You don't get it. I'm not him but the oath states "protect the constitution" not the federal govt. it would go down like this
Obama: military, kill civilians
Military: Y tho
Obama: some unconstitutional fuckery
Military: lol no
>>694487289
Because you're a fraction the size, numbnuts. So does Sweden. A real economics expert you are.
>>694483568
Only enemy families. If you think that doesn't work, remember how the Irish Republican Army operated. Now most of Ireland is free.
You don't really do history outside of Hollywood, do you. Also see "Russian Revolution" for EPIC examples of hardball.
In the US Civil War no one gave a shit about enemy civilians.
>>694487097
my apologies dear sir...i am currently wacking it whilst responding to this thread.
>>694487454
lol relying on the rest of the world. Your little brother is showing.
Not to mention we are the rest of the world.
>>694483752
No, fighting. Riot isn't revolution. Study war. I can't fit an insurrection class in one thread but FFS you DO have the internet.
>>694480401
The "govt" has none of those things. The military does. The military, along with state, county, and local law enforcement have all sworn oaths to defend the constitution. Not the federal govt. they will be on our side should shtf.
>>694487446
Lol OK bud yeah we don't have one of the most diversified and powerful economies. We're in the g8 or g7 now (lol at russia) and we are a tenth of your population. Obviously we are pretty good at something
>>694485653
Chaos is opportunity. See Russia and Syria and China.
>>694481396
This. All fighting age males are he militia.
>>694473421
That nigger in dallas took out nearly a dozen govs before they killed him.
His k/d ratio guise
>>694487545
Lol OK Somalia is small too wtf does that have to do with anything? Also never said I was an economics anything but Sweden ain't in the g7
In towns where basically every house contains multiple firearms and tons of ammunition like mine, if the military came in with the intent to take them with deadly force, I believe that we'd at least be able to put up a decent fight, unless a bomb go dropped.
Thousands of armed citizens wouldn't just surrender their guns lol. And yeah, I've protected myself several times with guns. Whenever thieving junkies tried stealing things from my family and trespassing, a few shots always scared them away.
Hell, I've known people who have caught thieves, held them at gunpoint and proceeded to beat the shit out of them quite a few times. It must suck to be a faggot in the city who is scared of loud, mean guns. I can't imagine living in a place where the only people who own guns are thugs and police.
>>694483568
In such a situation the government wouldn't possibly allow the news to break that the families of their drone operators have been targeted for killing. It would let fear seep into the ranks of whatever military force still supports them. Why should you fight to protect them when they can't protect you or your family?
>>694487624
>thinking you are the whole world other than Canada
Fuck for a country so close the IQ drops like 80 points
>>694473421
it has nothing to do with the government, it has everything to do with defending yourself from people, and having weaponry to protect your family from a robbery, or an invasion on our soil, which in your liberal world "can't ever happen" but only doesn't, and HAS NOT happened since Britain invaded. Why? Because we have the worlds biggest militia. Nobody will fuck with us, ever. Do you like being safe? Thank you.
>>694488184
Implying you dont realize we control the world. Keep caring about our elections more than your own little bro.
>>694484361
Laying down our lives to wage war is worth it when it is our very way of life to live free of oppression that is on the line. Of course it's hard to see what I'm talking about from behind your computer monitor in the basement of your spec house in your gated community. Must be nice to have never had to earn something in your life.
>>694488090
Lol, no, your measly small arms and hunting rifles wouldn't do shit.
If it came down to it, they'd drone strike you.
They have armored vehicles. Do you have armor piercing rounds?
Nah, you vastly overestimate your own ability.
>>694480598
You just listed the US three times. One's enough.
>>694473421
Better than just sitting there with our thumb up our asses
>>694488680
>control the world
You can't even control your own country
>>694488783
Who is "They" in this scenario? American military personal who have family living in towns exactly like the town you are invading?
>>694488766
>projecting this hard
>>694488624
This. So many of these
>>694487510
No it wouldn't go like that at all. Because no one is 14 and retarded except you
>>694487097
This.
I don't know why so many people fail to understand this. I have hurricane supplies in my closet (because I live in Florida), that doesn't mean I fucking look forward to a hurricane.
>>694488998
I wouldn't want to control it, freedom bro
>>694473421
Standing armies fighting wars of attrition always lose against Guerilla fighters. Small arms is the only thing effective against the gubberment
>>694487510
You're wrong .
It's more like
Obama: military kill those terrorist threat to our Constitution
Military: y tho
Obama: because terrorists are a threat to our Constitution
Military: ok
You think the PR machine wouldn't be working in overdrive? You think the president would just come out and say "kill fellow citizens!!". Of course not.
The fellow citizens would be framed as threats. Dehumanized to the point where the military would feel comfortable pointing guns at them.
>>694473421
wow you are dumb as fuck without thew peopple there would be no government. Also the people would win in a civil war.
>>694489878
Yeah the American military would have no problem murdering civilians because Obongo told them to. You are absolutely correct.
You have clearly never met real military men. Then would defect in a heartbeat and go home to protect their families.
>>694489878
That's because they would be fucking everything up and violence in the streets and putting people in danger and destabilizing people's lives. The label
Wouldn't be propaganda it would be accurate
>>694473421
>Implying the military is worth a shit at all.
15 years of the war on terror shows otherwise, they can't crush shit.
>>694490160
Civil war isn't the people vs the govt it's some people vs some other people from the same country
>>694489492
Naw nigga. I own my own home out in the country. Can shoot out of my back door if I want. I have one neighbor and he's cool as shit. No dindus hoppin my "gate" for skittles and tea. But it's always the subdivision kids that just don't understand having something and not wanting it taken away over nothing. Kinda ironic if you think about it.
>>694490252
I must have only met fake military men.
Idiot.
>>694489671
That's exactly how it would go down. Have you sworn that oath? Have you laid your life on the line for defense of that document and the inherent freedoms it outlines? That's why you resort to insults rather than educated conversation on the matter.
>>694490535
oh you got me....
>>694473421
Just like it crushed all those uneducated Afghans.
>>694490657
It would be like >>694489878 said.
And it would be right to do so.
>>694489878
>thinking our military leaders rely on the media for their intel
An order like that wouldn't be followed blindly. It would be the very thing the constitution was written about.
>>694474428
marshal law is a bit different than war
>>694490657
So if a bunch of Commies were rioting in the street and you got the order to shoot them, youre telling me you wouldn't ?
And then after you shoot them, you find out they probably weren't really Commies, they were just fellow citizens who had liberal tendencies. Then wut
>>694490941
Martial, you faggot
>>694490294
You're taking about niggers anon. That's happening now. With armed resistance there would be planning all the way up and it would essentially just happen. With the highest levels of the military actuating it. You think there's not a framework in place for this? The only resistance on the govt side would be their special agent army. The only police that swear an oath only to the federal govt.
>>694490845
Freedom hating commie detected
>>694473421
It's funny because every time poorly armed and militia ends up fighting the US is always goes poorly.
You guys need to fight a first world county to proves you the US can actually succeed at a military encounter.
What a waste. trillions spent on modern weapons just to fail to beat a motivated gang of thugs over and over.
>>694491303
Not the same thing. And there isn't a framework for it, an entire faction of the government would have to "go rogue"
>>694490983
>liberal tendencies
Good shoot in my book. But seriously do you think the military is incapable of gathering intel? You people act like all that matters is orders. An order to kill civilians would most certainly be verified as a threat before engagement. Otherwise it's unconstitutional and would be disobeyed.
>>694491405
I fail to see how not wanting armed gangs patrolling the streets and engaging in firefights outside my home means I hate freedom.
>>694491729
Not civilians anymore if they are an armed member of the resistance
It would be an insurgency, not a regular civil war. It's why gun nuts get so butthurt about a government database registering gun owners, it's essentially a list of every possible enemy combatant during the event of a civil uprising. If the feds have a list of rifle owners the resistance would have no chance
>>694491473
Unload with everything we've got and we'd turn the planet into an uninhabitable wasteland. Dial it down a bit and we would do the same to a continent, country, region, whatever... And be cursed as bullies for the rest of human history. See Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
This thread is bluepilled af. /pol/ would be ashamed
>>694491564
Just the military when the federal govt starts overstepping constitutional bounds. And yes. There most certainly is a framework for it.
>>694490535
Doesn't matter how you fucking phrase it, you're still wrong.
It's not for fighting the government. It's for fighting the upcoming race war.
>Be me
>Be liberal faggot who believes in gun control
>Be BLM apologist
>Want to kill all whiteys
>No gun
>feelsbadman.png
>Want to kill self because will never kill any wypipo
>No gun
>Bend over and receive daily assfucking from niggers
>My life is a failure.
>>694492227
Explain the framework and define overstep constitutional bounds
>>694491729
But that's exactly how it happens anon.
When the mortars are falling on your head, you don't stop to ask who is firing them, and why they're firing them.
In the event of a civil war, the govt would probably plant agents in the "civilian" rioters with guns/weapons to justify military intervention .
The first causality of war is truth. And it's great you have such fervent optimism in the good will of the military, but it's sorely misplaced .
>>694491733
So you'd rather give up all the freedoms you have as an American blindly than see that your countrymen are willing to fight and die to preserve those freedoms?
>>694490941
>marshal law is a bit different than war
It's spelled "martial", dumbass. Now school us on your familiarity with the concept.
>>694492438
So I should just lay down and take it? When a solid group of "the people" including the majority of military and police feel the same way that I do?
>>694492528
No I wouldn't like to give up my freedoms. Which is why I don't want chaos. The govt protects those freedoms by providing stability in which my freedoms and rights are protected
You language suggest your extra bias and ignorance. It deterred the Japanese in WWII, also the crappy ak rifle seemed to do well again the Russians and to some extent the US in Afghanistan. Just a few examples, but I doubt you care.
>>694491948
>See Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Jap butthurt means nothing. They deserved about ten more for their conduct in occupied countries, and nuking them helped the side in favor of surrendering. Nothing of value was lost. Japs in WWII were not your cute anime characters.
>>694473836
>implying every other country wouldn't ban together to destroy us all
>>694481004
Oh my jimmies are rustled now
>>694492806
No. Police and military protect your freedoms by providing a barrier between you and the govt. the govt would see you vote away your freedoms at will by using emotion and feelings to see short term benefits of say doing away with freedom of speech and guns. That's the short game. In the end they want control. Something they don't have currently because they know if they took your freedom by force theirs would be the last heads on the pike
>>694492417
I ain't forgot about you. Gimme a min
>>694492908
Can you show us the equation you used to determine that Japan deserved 12 nukes for their conduct during WWII?
>>694473421
The military wouldn't turn on their friends and families to begin with idiot. They would need a foreign army.
>>694493306
God damnit you should just leave USA as you don't enjoy democracy
>>694493509
This
>>694492819
Kalashnikovs served rather well in Viet Nam. Hack walked the walk and had the balls to tube his career by speaking out about how the war was misfought:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/peoplescentury/episodes/guerrillawars/hackworthtranscript.html
>>694482088
I think gun owners are smart enough to know that they can't fight off the government but they're also smart enough to know that the government would not kill mass numbers of people with air strikes in fear of all of Europe, Russia, some of the Middle East banning together to overthrow them
>>694483227
>blatant racism
The most racist people I have ever ran into were blacks.
>child porn spam
Very rare in fact the white knights report CP even when it of a family at the beach in bathing suits.
>animal abuse
Kinda agree here, but depending on what yo as an idiot think is abuse.
>anti semitism
Yes but they brought it on themselves by pushing for multiculturalism and down grading the white male when statics show different.
>holocaust denial Na not denying it just think we should have let him finish, it would have solved a lot of issues we currently have today
>woman hating
Nope just feminitizies that think they got it bad when they have it the best in the world.
>homophobia
Most like traps here it you Islamism buddies that got a real issue
>fat shaming
Do you find fat people sexy? would you date or marry one when you keep yourself in shape? Think about it.
>off topic adult cartoons
SO what
>looking at guy penises
Femanons dig it
>thinking males are females
Nope that is those that are taking gender studies classes because their brains cannot comprehend that gender is male or female
>having the n word literally hurled around like it was a casual insult......
Umm blacks do it way more than whites but I guess to you it is ok even though they hurl cracker, pinky, whites and that list goes on. But if a white person says it it's racist. You need to re-evaluate yourself and realize who is the most racist.
Post 1
>>694493694
>>694483227
>the same old shit threads repeated every single day...
Ya i agree with you. First sensible thing you've mentioned. You should have been here 8 years ago, it was much funner.
>calling each other faggots thinking it's cool but it's actually just embarrassing
ya and you hang out with your fedora crowd and we hang with ours.
>are there even moderators to control this insane place??!!!
Try posting CP or talk shit about them. Please you would do us a favor.
>disgusting.....are you even "humans"? or just jaded pieces of SHIT??!!
We feel the same way about liberals like you.
>i see why you people are called the sewer of the internet...
True but without us (the sewer) your life would get very stinky unsanitary and extremely shitty.
Post 2 and final
>>694493509
They would if their friends and family were in the streets killing people
>>694493139
>>implying every other country wouldn't ban together to destroy us all
What is the nuclear triad? Fuck off, child.
