Give me one good reason guns should be regulated, ore give me one example where it has actually helped in any situation.
>>693827622
Can't. Norway has restrictive laws, and is highest in mass shootings per capita
It helped every dictator ever to control his people.
>>693827622
>>693827774
Samefag+bullshit
Also, Australia
>>693827622
>ore
Gun Owning Ladies and Gentlemen!
This mongaloid is your spokesperson.
Youre fucked
>>693827774
>>693827790
Damn right, /b/rothers
>>693827790
I'm living in the future, stuck in the past
That's why I don't notice, Obama's dick in my ass
Just look at countries which have completely forbidden them.
The amount of murders is significally lower than in the U.S.
>>693827844
Nope. By the way, Australia gun homicide may have went down, but all other homicide went up.
>>693827900
*You're
>>693827900
imagine if that was a good argument.
Then imagine if we weren't wasting our fucking weekend being unproductive twats on the 4chin.
Because everything needs to be regulated.
>>693828017
You are actually retarded right? Its proven that violent crimes go up not down banning guns. Gun deaths do go down but thats like sayijg we legalized druga so drug crime has gone down. It doesnt mean anything. Gun deaths also include suicide were the victim is the perpetrator
>>693827774
>mass shootings per capita
We had to limit it to 2009 or after, cause otherwise US would be on top again. Thank you, Anders, or God and saviour.
>>693827790
Kek
Cringe
>>693828333
Check'd. Still wrong though.
>>693828036
>Australia gun homicide may have went down, but all other homicide went up.
Of course, restricting the number one choice of tool for killing, will make the other tools take one step up
>>693828036
>but all other homicide went up.
Crime always spikes when draconian gun laws get put in place. GUN violence may see a small cut, but violent crimes like rape, assault, and robbery ALWAYS spike. The statistics are there, it's just a matter of reading.
>>693827622
Regulations and standards adopted for the manufacture of gun components have helped make our guns safer and more reliable
>>693828639
OP here, I think it's right to regulate the manufacturing of guns to an extent that doesn't make it harder to use. I mean regulating who can and can't have what guns.
>>693827622
Compare the crime statistics and homicide rates for English speaking nations; the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland.
>>693827622
The numbers and the facts speak for themselves, really.
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/six-things-americans-should-know-about-mass-shootings/all/
>>693829128
You can't literally just look at mass shootings. You also have to explain why mass shooting rates annually raised by almost 1500% during the Obama administration
>>693828606
>The statistics are there, it's just a matter of reading.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, right.
>>693827622
WWII
>>693829128
Also, if Switzerland has half as many guns, you'd think if mass shooting were proportionate to # of guns, there would be half of the mass shootings, but there's close to none. You can't JUST look at the US. Study you data better.
>>693827900
Brilliant ad hom. Just ebin
>>693828017
>Brazil
>Not violent
>Switzerland
>Violent
k lad
>>693829128
Go ahead and define what a mass shooting is for me. I'll wait
Also, med kit land is on the list and has less mass shootings than Australia, which basically banned guns
>>693829536
Exactly right, just because the number of mass shooting is skyrocketing, is no reason to restrict the tool used for mass shootings.
>>693829996
Obama tried to restrict them. That's literally when they started going up. Care to explain why mass shootings went up when we tried to lower the amount of the tools used to commit them?
>>693829854
If the data prove my points, they're valid. If the data disprove my points, they're invalid. It's not rocket science, guys.
>>693829920
Insn't it legal to buy a gun in Brazil?
I thought so.
>>693830116
>tried
Because you tried. Not succeeded. Tried.
>>693830158
The data does not prove your point because the fact that Switzerland has such different mass shooting amounts even though they still have lots of guns shows that it's not proportionate to amount of guns.
>>693830278
What does that even mean?
>>693829854
this is due to the fact that it's much easier to get a gun without background checks and mental examinations in switzerland and finland. If you're a deranged guy, who can still manage to come across as a normale person in the us... then it isnt very hard to buy a gun and start shooting people.
also, I suggest you read that link.
explains a lot.
>>693829854
Switzerland enforces mandatory conscription of all men, they are trained and required by law to mantain issued service rifles. You can't compare to Murica...
>>693830361
It means "fuck you, I hope your gamble that mass shootings only happens to strangers fail"
>>693827622
Guns are for killing.
Killing is illegal.
QED.
>comparing the United States to a single European country
The US has the population of multiple European countries and 50x the land mass of most European countries. Your literally cannot compare gun statistics. All states have different laws which essentially results in 50 different countries within the US all having different gun laws.
>>693830592
Guns can be for warding off harm. That's not illegal.
>>693830222
>legal to buy a gun in Brazil?
They have strict regs, but lots of gun violence, crime, and gun culture. Hence, it is never as simple as Ban/control guns = Less crime
>>693828606
They will spike, since people no longer have any effective way of protecting themselves
>>693830685
there are lot's of other ways to ward off harm.
And ther is a much higher chance of harm coming to you, if you like in a country with lot's of guns and almost no background checks and mental examinations for gun purchasers.
>>693830659
No European country has anything remotely close to the second amendment making gun ownership a "right"
>>693831048
What makes you say there's almost no background checks or mental examinations?
>>693827622
It prevents suicidal teen edgelords without connections to start a school shooting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
compared to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:School_shootings_in_Germany
Even considering that germany is so much smaller, the difference is fucking riddiculous
>>693827622
>>693827622
>>693827622
Guys, can we petition to start a measure that would address the lack of funding for the CDC's research on fun violence?
>>693827622
Common sense. If a felon with a violent history goes to a gun shop asking for some wares, they should be declined. If someone has been in several psychiatric institutions over the past few years having trouble with reality, they should be declined..
But aren't these laws already in the books?
>>693831619
gun violence***
I live in downtown Detroit so...
>>693831702
They are. No one has a problem with background checks, sorry if I didn't really state that.
>>693827900
>Losing argument
>Corrects minor spelling mistake
>>693831619
Would be a waste, if they conclude there is somehow a connection between shooting and easily aquiring the tool for shooting, people are just gonna make up shit about how it's invalid anyway. Like, if they don't analyze Switzerland to the same degree, it's invalid. Or if they actually do, it'll be invalid cause they didn't compare the numbers for the milky way to the andromeda galaxy.
America
That is all
>>693827622
this shitty thread again ?
Just trying to bait people for having the same gun control discussion like every other day?
i am closing this seeing OP is not original enough
/thread
All other constitutional amendments have regulations, like the first amendment. What makes the second amendment so special?
>>693827622
The way it's currently regulated is fine, it's the lack of common core training and situational awareness that gets people killed. Once again, there's no accountability in America, except when somebody's getting sued.
Honestly arguing about guns is pointless. It is a technology that will be present in all human societies for the entirety of our existence.
There is literally no way to stop people from having and using guns and we just need to fuckin accept the fact that people will die from guns.
Animals have been killing each other for millions of years, now there is a device that makes it much easier...and you think we can just make that disappear by laws?
This isn't political issue its a human issue and it is not changing so anti-gun fags can either learn to use a weapon and maybe give themselves a chance to kill first, or just accept that when you go out among other humans in public, there is a chance some fucker will pull out a gun and shoot.
Guns are an operational hazard of living in this world.
>>693832189
>What makes the second amendment so special?
it's the only one that currently is being infringed upon
unless you are talking about the 4th amendment due process which "liberals" already want to trash by saying that the fed can add anyone to the no fly list and deny them a firearm.
>>693832392
I thought that free speech was being infringed upon, at least that's what I read on this board every day.
>>693832239
Please don't use the words "common core".. It's obvious the entire education system in the U.S. is just fucked..
But yeah... Train, fucker, train.
They sent me to Afghanistan for 2 years, and now they wanna tell me what I can carry. Fuck em' I say.. Fuck em'
>>693832617
this board is the epitome of free speech btw
free speech has been infringed upon within college campuses.. so much so that tenured professors have left prestigious positions out of disgust
>see: yale university
but legally speaking california governor Brown passed a bunch of laws infringing more gun rights... so woo hoo I guess. feel safe yet?
>>693827622
It's good that I can't get a gun. I'm mentally ill and I would have killed someone.
address the elephant in the room
if you compare all crime and killing and murder stats in the united stats made by white people only, its in the same levels of every civilized european country if not better
its only when you add the crimes and killings made by blacks mostly and some by latinos that the media tries to paint it as a huge national problem
so, who is the problem here ? guns ?
yeah, keep being dumb then
>>693832020
Are you talking about policy makers of laypeople?
I'd imagine relevant research would be invaluable to policy makers.
>>693827622
> success gun regulation prevents situations from occurring in reality
> give me an example where it worked
> success gun regulation prevents situations from occurring in reality
> give me an example where it worked
hurrr
Sent from my Android phone
Without guns USA wouldn't have >muh freedoms
many of which I actually enjoy, including being able to have my own gun
Sure a world with no guns where everyone just fucked each other and licked chocolate pudding out of each others assholes, would be nice. But the truth is humans can be viscous fuckin beasts and guns are a nice modern way of getting the job done rather than have to stone your enemy or beat them with clubs and other random sharp shit you find in the forest.
>>693832754
Bad phrasing. Meant better basic training and continuous annual or semi-annual recerts.
Most shootings are not from legal gun sources but actually from illegal methods which wouldn't do anything if we have gun laws. The people that do have the weapons legally have them for self defense of their home and the safety of themselves and their families, by making these pointless laws people that shoot shit up are potentially going to be able to kill more innocents
>>693832754
We shouldn't have common core but rigorous training that ISN'T easy for everyone, some idiots shouldn't have em.
>>693827622
why does your ammo not have primers?
>>693833909
Because you obviously got the time to get your gun out of the safe, if someone is about to fuck you up.
It still would prevent suicidal teens from using guns and taking people with them out of revenge. In germany and co, they just kill themselves, without taking a handful of students with them, while traumatizing the others
>>693834592
and those are less than 0.5% of murders
0.5%
you want to restrict a right, fuck up the constitution for 0.5%
can you tell you are being used like a fool for something bigger now or we need to laugh at your face a bit more ?
>>693834592
if they are gonna kill themselves why stop them, let darwinism take its place naturally
>>693834592
>Because you obviously got the time to get your gun out of the safe
you don't have to keep a gun in a safe by law... just somewhere a child doesn't have access to it.. if you even have children.. also you're a dumbass
>>693834444
Checked.
>>693832903
its funny how people always ignore stuff like this in these threads
>>693834592
why prevent someone who wants to take their own life? what fucking right do you have to stop them? that is basically imprisonment if they want to leave and you don't let them
go fuck yourself
>>693827622
They can kill people.
>>693827774
Lies. Loser can't even use actual facts and if you post some shit that happened 4 years ago then you're a cunt.
>>693835336
ideology can kill people
lets regulate some too
>>693828363
What's your source ?
>>693827622
Are you asking for a list of shootings that didn't occur because of regulations?
>>693835336
muh dick can kill people chambered with AIDs rounds... what now?
>>693830116
Wow, you're dumb. You answered your own question.
>>693835172
>>693834888
I never said, it would be to prevent them from killing themselves. It prevents them from taking others with them....except from maybe one unlucky guy if that teen tries it with a knife
>>693834862
>and those are less than 0.5% of murders
>you want to restrict a right, fuck up the constitution for 0.5%
That's how it usually works. We can't have nice things because a handful of fuckers do bad shit
If you are unaware of the plethora of instances where armed citizens were able to protect themselves or others, and just how often they occur, you are too stupid to argue with.
You are a moron.
>>693835982
>I never said, it would be to prevent them from killing themselves. It prevents them from taking others with them....except from maybe one unlucky guy if that teen tries it with a knife
wut
>>693835821
Not in split second and over and over again. What else you got?
>>693834592
Do you realise that their is such a thing called concelled carry, my father was in the Navy for 20 years and he has a concelled carry. I went with him to a shell gas station and we were going to get candy when someone started a robbery and the man was going to steal from the station but my father pinned him and stopped a crime, gold people do it legally.
As for the suicide discussion, I was a suicidal teen but my family was good to me and I prevented something that I should have never done. Youre not elimating a problem youre just creating more. My father kept his weapons in a safe and didn't let me or my younger sister know the code but only the people in the house that needed it and nothang ever happened. The system does the best it can do by the best of its citizens and not everyone is perfect so thus their is no such thing as a perfect utopia so don't try methods that just cause more issues.
>>693835563
That's your argument? Lol. Ok, go kill yourself with your liberalism.
>>693827622
there have been tens of millions of people killed by their own governments after strict gun control has was implemented
im sure most people feel like it can't happen to them but most of those tens of millions of people killed felt the same way at one point. when it happens it will happen quickly, just read your history.
the ability of a population to defend itself makes it harder to control, thats just common sense.
>>693827774
Its not even about mass shootings you fucking faggot. Its about general gun deaths which are stupidly high in the US and, oh wonder, way lower in countries with restrictive laws.
>>693836090
the time is irrelevant
only the action matters
i can infect 1000s of people with my dick and they would never know and they would infect 1000s of people with their dick.. that's actually how this whole hiv/aids thing became a problem in the first place... in case you were unaware
maybe we should arrest the original hiv carrier? he or she has killed millions. that's stalin and mao type shit
>>693836392
and now those countries with strict gun laws are trying to ban or have already banned pointy knives
How far are we supposed to go before we get to the root of the problem?
>>693829781
A line frequently parroted by people who understand neither
>>693827774
Norway 1 incident vs US 38.
Try again Ameritard.
>>693836578
That is fucking awesome well said
>>693836714
yeah next time we can try and make sure that everyone has a gun so that the bad guys don't win
>>693836068
The gun as a tool can do worse shit in the hands of a suicidal teen, than a knife
>>693830278
This.
>>693837101
but that's just it... the gun and the knife are both tools... the difference is the "hands" and their "intentions"
you aren't very good at this are you?
>>693827622
australia
>>693832846
You do realize there is a "handguns" and "firearms" columns just on the left of the "rifles" one right ?
>>693827622
Criminals and mentally unfit people shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Those are the restrictions I think are needed and where restrictions should end.
In the UK your sole chance of mass murder in one sitting is a bomb.
People with no skill and or experience don't tend to meddle with such things.
Since there are no repeating firearms, low calibre pistols and rifles and double barrelled shotguns are fairly well regulated that means obtaining one from a criminal.
People with no connections or experience don't tend to do this.
Chance of a mass shooting or fantastically fatal school bombing. Almost zero. It works as much as you'd like to argue the fact.
An angst teenager in the UK cannot kill everyone that's pissed on his cornflakes. Yet you campaign to continue letting your disaffected youth, whom you create ever more of, own or have easy access to weapons that can kill half a hundred at a time.
Your loss, when it's your kid that's dead you might change your mind. But apparently until that day it's just entertainment for American's to watch on TV.
>>693837275
yet most politicians are trying to ban "assault RIFLES"
go figure
>>693836116
How is it "worse"? Look at germany. gun regulations are in place, socialism is, too and before the immigrants crisis started, shit was one of the most safe countries
>>693829053
I just love this drawing. Cuz no self-respecting gun shop owner will ever let that person walk out the door. Hell the Orlando shooter had the cops called on him by one store and they ignored it.
>>693837552
Oh ok, wasn't aware of this, that makes sense now.
>>693837403
Trouble is, those are the people arguing against any sort of control, and you'll have to take their gun from their cold, dead fingers.
>>693837540
I have to admit im a little ignorant of european politics and geography. Is Paris not in the UK? Cause I'm pretty sure like 128 people were killed there last year
>>693837188
You need to draw an arbitrary line, where you allow people of a certain mental situation (like being suicidal, depressed, extremely impulsive etc.) to still carry dangerous "tools".
Or would you be fine by allowing a suicidal edgelord, that wants to blow up their school, to actualy carry a bomb straight into that school.
> The "tool" itself does nothing, So why ban it?
Because it can do bad shit in the wrong hands. And how big the "bad shit potential" is, should be a factor
>>693837900
And not gun weaving hysteric crowd, would've prevented that, since it wasn't one guy and a crowd isn't organized.
Shit would've resulted probably in even more deaths from people in panic shooting random people
Never underestimate a mass panic
>>693838170
>You need to draw an arbitrary line, where you allow people of a certain mental situation (like being suicidal, depressed, extremely impulsive etc.) to still carry dangerous "tools".
these lines already exist and you not knowing that proves that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
if you have committed a felony
if you have been committed to mental health facility
you can't legally obtain a weapon
but no since you asked my opinion, i don't believe that gun regulation should exist outside of the 2nd amendment.
>>693837811
Not in Finland. Police just knocks on the door and takes them away. We also have to have a license to buy guns, so those people aren't given new licenses. Doesn't stop some people from getting illegal guns but at least gun owners are a bit safer in that regard compared to American gun owners. Just recently a police was shot and another wounded with a stolen RK 62 and none of our liberals said anything about gun control, because we already have it to some extent.
>>693837811
the problem is how do you keep criminals and the mentally ill from getting firearms? most of these people have no criminal record and are able to pass a background check.
The guy that shot up that gay club in florida had a permit to carry and a special endorsement that allowed him to carry more places. The endorsement required even more training and background checks. He had it because he worked security. How do you stop a guy like that without disarming security personnel?
The best you can do is background checks but they wont stop most mass shooters and they won't stop criminal from having someone else buy the guns. You have to add registration. This still doesn't do much though because someone can just remove the serial number and then sell it to a criminal.
I live in california and we have all kinds of laws. Background checks are required on every purchase, everything is registered now, and we still have lots of gun crime. All the laws do is make it harder for law abiding people obtain and effectively use firearms to defend themselves.
Most people I know who are against registration are against it because they understand it wont do and good and it could eventually be used for confiscation which is a very real threat since many politicians have said they would "take them all" if they had the chance.
>>693838939
Many murders are committed by law abiding citizens with guns. See Dallas...
>>693839246
so what is your fucking point faggot stupid faggot? do we ban people from simply existing that way they can't be killed and your feelings will stay in tact?
holy shit you are stupid or trolling
>>693839246
>Many murders are committed by law abiding citizens with guns. See Dallas...
>murders are committed by law abiding citizens
>murders... law abiding
you do realize that murder is against the law right?
>>693835982
>prevents others from taking others with them
Every person who is suicidal and depressed won't go on a massive killing spree. Most people these days throw the whole "woe is me" tantrum to get attention or it something that sorted out internally. What you're saying is so few and far between
And not to mention: illegal weapons, knives, explosives
They have options lel
>>693827900
>points out a spelling mistake to try to prove their argument
>makes more spelling mistakes in their own post
>mfw
>>693836392
>Brazil
>not addressing how like 90% of gun crime is just Dindu violence
Shoo
>>693839367
I think his point was that seemingly decent people can hide a dark secret. Banning guns isn't the solution, because illegal guns exist but on the other hand the background check isn't working effectively. In order to ensure lawful citizens to be able to own guns but make it harder for dangerous people, the current system you have in the States should be revised. It doesn't have to be stricter but it should be more effective. I don't know how but complete ban and complete freedom aren't good goals.
>>693839246
>most gun homicides are from law abiding citizens using legal weapons
WEW LAD
HAHAHA. Sauce? Oh wait, you can't
>>693839484
Just take germany as an example. school shootings becomes the media event of the fucking decade, while ever there in the US, that shit happens at least on a monthyla basis.
Sure. It's much bigger. But even considering that, the difference is ridiculous
>>693827622
>Give me one good reason guns should be regulated
Gun owners unnecessarily shoot too many people.
>>693836714
Norway 5 million population
US 300 million population
???
>>693839478
You clearly did not read the post I replied to. Context truly helps when it comes to reading comprehension.
>>693827622
There is almost 0 data supporting the idea that private gun ownership has been used to put down active crime scenes
Only shitty Internet mee mees of one in a million instances that gun fags point to like it's bible scripture
>>693827622
>ore give me one example where it has actually helped in any situation.
In USPSA they regulate guns into hi power and low power, this has worked to make the competitions more fair.
>>693831556
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/georgia-clears-way-for-mentally-ill-to-buy-guns/nppWY/
>>693839996
sure but what I am hoping everyone will realize before it is too late is that saying "we need more stricter/restrictive laws" is essentially saying "gun ban" and that's how it works in practice
that is the reason why certain guns I cannot purchase legally in california but if I were to be a resident in say arizona i can purchase said banned item.
>>693840045
I said many not most. Dumb Fuck.
>>693840233
Canada has lots of gun regulation and they dont even have half as many mass shootings as the US. So theres your argument broken
>>693840310
this
>>693827622
Australia
/Thread
>>693832958
not in america
>>693840418
>someone gets the cops called on them 5 years ago
>girlfriend lies and says he's having a manic attack
>involuntary committal
>NO GUNS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
>no test for mental stability afterward
>completely barred forever with no recourse
vs
>no guns for 5 years
If we really have psychos running out in public, do something about that very small population instead of passing a law that affects 300 million people, because psychos can kill plenty without a gun
>>693829536
you forgot to mention that also gun ownership skyrocketed under the obama administration because they were afraid that nigger would take our freedom away AMEN
>>693840541
they still have gun violence
>>693830116
he didnt all he did was mention gun control and people went fucking crazy
>>693840502
Canada only recently passed "lots of gun regulation."
Canada had very few mass shootings before they passed their comprehensive gun control laws.
You can't attribute gun control laws to a country with low mass shootings if they had few mass shootings before and after passing those laws.
>>693839367
You've got issues mate and it's not just because of a low IQ
>>693839996
Thats just it. There is no good way to keep the guns away from just criminals.
Guns aren't the problem though. Crime is the problem. The problem is so many people wanting to murder each other. I don't know how to fix it but we can't just say "it's ok that a bunch of people want to murder others as long as no one give them a gun." We need to get to the root of the problem, not just disarm everyone and let the criminals have free reign as long as they don't use guns.
>>693830116
he didnt all he did was mention gun control and people went fucking crazy l
>>693827622
>be me
>live in regulated guns eurocountry
>only mafia, camorra, ndrà ngheta, sacra corona unita, albanians, niggers, gypsies have guns
>>693827622
Can't OP. Canada has sensible gun laws, yet has over 9000 times as many gun related homosides per annum as Amerifat.
So I guess we should keep our retarded opinions to ourselves, because what we're doing obviously isn't working.
>>693840541
Australia had very little "gun violence" before they went full totalitarianism and confiscated guns.
Anyone advocating for Australia's gun control model is advocating for a "mandatory gun buyback" i.e. turn in your guns or else you will be arrested and have them taken from you by force.
Australia's gun violence rate decreased by the same % as the USA's since the 1990s.
>>693840233
And in that 5 million population there was Brevik and....that's it.
Us of fucktards has a mass shooting a day so much that they had to reclassify what a mass shooting is. It's in defensible but 67% of Americunts are under average intelligence so I'll understand if you don't.
>>693827622
the US is beyond fixing this issue. It's not the guns, it's the culture.
>>693840304
i wrote the post you replied to, you clearly missed the point.
If someone is willing to murder someone they clearly aren't a law abiding person but there is no good way to take their gun rights without taking the gun rights of law abiding people.
>>693840962
Where you getting you numbers from dude?
"According to a StatsCan report from 2012 – the most recent year available – the U.S. suffered a total of 8,813 murders involving the use of firearms that year. Canada, in the same year, recorded just 172 firearms-related homicides."
>>693832299
her child shot herself what a dumb bitch
>>693840820
are you retarded. Canada's gun control laws have been pretty restrictive for decades. If anything they;ve only relaxed them recently the last few years and gun violence has increased.
>>693841021
>It's in defensible but 67% of Americunts are under average intelligence
Most of those are the 30% hispanic population and the 15% black population
Blacks are 15% of the population in the USA, and if you removed them, you would HALF the number of murders in the country.
>>693841285
>Canada's gun control laws have been pretty restrictive for decades
And look at Canada's gun crime before they passed it. Did they have high gun crime? Did it significantly lower after passing those laws?
If not, why would it lower gun crime in the USA?
>>693840846
>you've got issues
>low IQ
my issues are with people who don't understand that a gun is a gun is a fucking gun. so what if it is colored black, holds more bullets, or shoot projectiles a little faster than another?
they are all fucking tools and can be used for good and bad purposes
fuck yourself with you "i am smarter than this anon" act. you really are fucking dumbass
>>693841278
Children killed 18 of the dumb cunts last year.
Law abiding gun owners translates as dumb as fuck Yanks.
>>693827622
Correlation =/= causation you fuckboy.
>>693840310
So true>>693840873
Is it so bad that a person that will never ever do anything bad with a gun has to jump through a few more hoops to help prevent some asshole from getting a gun
>>693841233
Tru dat.
Britfag here. Pretty sure the last gun massacre we had was Dunblane decades ago. No one has a gun here so we have to get creative when we want to murder someone
>>693841233
its a whole SLEW of problems ranging from not just regulating who buys guns but the lack of regulations on gun dealers. its retarded that a gun store doesnt have to report its inventory to any regulatory body if they dont want to. Gunstores can easily sell to criminals in bulk and that shit would be difficult to track down.
>>693840489
>"""""""""many""""""""""""
K lad. Last time I checked, nearly all gun crime Rises from offenders with illegal weapons but okay.
I think you were looking for the word "some," genius. Don't inflate facts to support your shitty arguement
>>693841603
>Gunstores can easily sell to criminals in bulk and that shit would be difficult to track down.
Except when they find one gun on a criminal, trace it to the gun store using the serial number, and they don't have the 4473 required along with the background check in order to sell the gun legally
Stop talking if you know nothing about the FFL system or gun laws in general in the USA
>>693840873
Well said and thanks
>>693840310
what kind of data would you expect? most of the time if a gun is used to deter a crime but not fired it may go unreported.
there was a mall shooting right before sandy hook were a ccw holder drew his pistol but didn't fire because too many people were in the background. When the shooter saw him he retreated into a back room and shot himself.
There was also a school shooting a while back were a kid shot another kid or a teacher and the principle retrieved his gun from his car and stopped the shooter.
The reason why most of they mass shootings aren't stopped by citizens carrying guns is because they all take place in "gun free zones" where it isn't legal to carry a gun.
Why do you think these cowards usually choose a school and then kill themselves before engaging anyone who can actually fight back?
>>693841569
usfag here we changed the definitions of "mass shooting" to mean 4 or more people including the gunman if he suicides
so mass shooting is really just your typical hood shootout. not really news...
>>693827622
>>693841390
Yeah maybe you would have half the crime. However black gun deaths are predominantly black on black and the largest scale mass shootings are done by whites. Although whites are more fucked up because they ain't doing it for profit or turf or some shit they do it because they want to.
It's not like the US having 30-50% of the worlds guns and also the biggest problem with gun deaths is a fucking coincidence.
i just.....
i can't.
the racism here.
you people are ill and sick
literally shaking right now.....
wow.....just. just wow. literally unbelievable.
ill never understand this place.
it feels like
after the past 2 weeks i have been here it just seems to get worse and worse.....
blatant racism
child porn spam
animal abuse
anti semitism
holocaust denial
woman hating
homophobia
fat shaming
off topic adult cartoons
looking at guy penises
thinking males are females
the list goes on and on.......
having the n word literally hurled around like it was a casual insult......
the same old shit threads repeated every single day...
calling each other faggots thinking it's cool but it's actually just embarrassing
are there even moderators to control this insane place??!!!
disgusting.....are you even "humans"? or just jaded pieces of SHIT??!!
i see why you people are called the sewer of the internet...
>>693836714
>Not understating per capita
>>693841487
thats just it, its not just hoops. its superficial bans on certain items for no reason, its waiting periods when i already own more guns than i can carry, its taxes on buying guns, taxes on ammo, not being able to pass down guns to your kids, etc. My state already has background checks and registration and they do no good yet they keep passing more worthless laws every year and the politicians have said they would take all guns if they thought they could get the votes.
>>693842180
so what's your point?
>>693842272
>the largest scale mass shootings are done by whites.
That's because 200 million of America's 300 million population are whites.
Next you're going to say whites are terminally ill because almost all hospitals have mostly white patients.
>>693842272
>It's not like the US having 30-50% of the worlds guns and also the biggest problem with gun deaths is a fucking coincidence.
Around 80% of gun crime is attributed to inner-city gang violence. Outside of shitholes like DC, Chicago, Detroit, Baton Rouge, you have tons less gun crime.
Guns don't possess otherwise calm people to commit mass murder or shoot Jamal on the corner for being on your territory.
>>693841236
Here's the problem though. Why do you need a gun when the rest of the fucking civilised world does without?
>>693842180
Now show a comparative population graph.
Yeah, we have more people in our country, therefore more gun related deaths per captia.
Show me a graph with an actual percentage of population death by gunfire by country, and we'll talk.
Pro guns are pathetic.
Imagine if everybody was carrying a conceal weapon. Do you really think you would be safer?
>>693840447
Agreed and that's why you should as a nation make sure that the methods and goals serve each other and people don't get confused in the gun law debate. You don't necessarily need stricter laws but better laws. Owning a gun or any other item with the intent of breaking laws is what should be illegal, not just owning those items. So there's quite a puzzle waiting to be solved.
>>693840873
I agree on everything else except for this:
>There is no good way to keep the guns away from just criminals.
I only partly agree with that; there isn't a good way currently but a good way can be invented and that's what everyone should focus on. Currently the debate is too polarized. Some people want to ban all guns and some don't want any regulation, not even for criminals in fear of government abusing their power. Gun control doesn't necessarily conflict with your second amendment but it's a matter of when and where the law applies. And like you said, guns aren't the core problem, so gun control should be viewed as a part of the real problem, i.e. large amount of violent people.
>>693841603
Where did you here that? The AFT does surprise inspections on FFLs all the time. If they find anything that doesn't match up in the guns they find and your paperwork you are in big trouble.
Unless of course the ATF tells them to keep selling guns to mexican drug cartels like they did during fast and furious.
I guess they hid a couple gps trackers in some pistol grips but no one thought about the batteries running out so they just lost all of the hundreds of guns they told FFLs to sell knowing they would go to Mexico.
>>693842799
>Owning a gun or any other item with the intent of breaking laws is what should be illegal,
hello minority report
no thanks I live in the free world
I think there should be far LESS gun regulation
>>693841718
I'll give you two recent examples...Orlando and Dallas shooting were committed by law abiding citizens (up until the massacres)with legally obtained weapons.
>>693842980
>Orlando and Dallas shooting were committed by law abiding citizens
The FBI visited Mateen, who killed 49 people in Orlando, twice after he made two separate threats to kill his entire Community College class with a gun.
One of the threats was made at a BBQ when a hamburger touched one something of his on the grill.
The FBI decided not to arrest Mateen and charge him with conspiracy to commit mass murder because they would be seen as racist.
>>693841405
My point only referenced better screening for gun applicants and sales. It has nothing to do with all the nonsense you're whining about. Pay attention please. Your lower intelligence really is making this difficult.
>>693842789
And imagine if ineffective laws are passed for gun control?
Do you think we would be safer then? (Hint: it's not yes)
>>693842949
Are you planning to shoot other people?
>>693842633
You never exactly when or why you may need a gun, that's why I always have one.
Why do you think you will never need one?
>>693843363
>the nonsense you are whining about
>better screening for gun applicants and sales
>shall not be infringed
>>693842570
Nah I'm not gonna say that but fuck there's gotta be some underlying reason as to why it's generally a white kid shooting up a school or a theatre. It's a fucked up culture and it's never gonna stop and will undoubtably get worse. Sorry dude but it really does seem that as a nation you're too fucking stupid to see this.
You can't even stop people on the terrorist watch list from getting guns.
>>693842180
>>693843416
I don't own a gun anon
That doesn't mean that I don't support the 2A
that doesn't mean that I think there should be MORE regulations... there should be less
>>693843276
going further with this the fbi cant arrest people most of the time because it would be assumed profiling them based of ethnicity and religion.
they have their hands tied on stopping shit beforehand because if they stop it they did it for the wrong reason and if they don't then they get blamed for not stopping it before hand. the way our country works makes it hard to stop this shit.
>>693843525
>there's gotta be some underlying reason as to why it's generally a white kid shooting up a school or a theatre.
because they are fuck ups and they know they can be on TV for months if they shoot up a school
Why do you think Seung-Hui Cho sent pictures of himself holding guns to MSNBC?
He wanted to be an anti hero.
>You can't even stop people on the terrorist watch list from getting guns.
The "terrorist watch list" is a secret government list that is used to harass innocent people. Sitting senator Ted Kennedy was harassed by the TSA for months because "T. Kennedy" was on the secret watchlist.
Do you want every T. Kennedy not to be able to buy guns?
That's what you just proposed.
>>693842799
>I only partly agree with that; there isn't a good way currently but a good way can be invented and that's what everyone should focus on.
Why do you believe that? Why shouldn't we instead focus on how to stop people from murdering each other rather than how to stop them from murdering each other with a gun. Otherwise the next problem with be how to stop people from murdering each other with knives.
We need to get to the root of the problem.
>>693843659
Did you even read my post? I never said there should be more regulations and control.
>>693843405
I don't see that in the 2nd amendment. Did you just make that up!? Hahaha
>>693827622
What are you fucking stupid? Only the government should have guns they know best.
>>693843438
Because I'm a Britfag and it's not in our culture to carry guns. We don't have a portion of people who think they need guns to stop some tyrannical govt. Furthermore we're fucking smarter than you as is most of the developed world.
We can see how fucking crazy it is and we don;t want to be like that.
>>693843873
yes i read your fucking stupid ass nigger post and it implies literal thought control which is the opposite of free will
how about you go sit on a damn cactus?
have you never seen the movie minority report? it is what you are describing. also equilibrium is another
>>693844028
I never said it was, but alright
>>693844306
So you just go through life pretending that nothing bad can happen to you? Good luck with that. I mean that sincerely, I hope you never are in a situation where you wish you had a gun.
>>693843759
"The "terrorist watch list" is a secret government list that is used to harass innocent people."
This!!! You (society) are so fucking scared of your govt. I've read so many times that people want guns to stop some tyrannical govt from taking over. Crazy level paranoia man. Sure fucking Bundy and his boys would do sweet against the US military.
No guns work in pretty much every country in the civilised world. Why do you think you're so fucking special? "We're no1, we're no1" this superiority complex is a joke.
>>693845025
>>This!!! You (society) are so fucking scared of your govt.
Our government harrassed its own senator for months, almost making it impossible for him to board a plane for 3 months because he was on that list.
The only reason he got off the list was because he was a Senator and he directly bugged the DHS director every day until he got off it.
If our own senators are being put onto secret lists that stop them from moving around in their own country, you think the government won't do it to anyone else?
Do you know how many millions of people are on the terror watchlist?
No, because it's a secret list that you can only get off of if you're a senator.
>>693844580
Thanks and maybe one day i will need it highly, highly unlikely as our rate is 1 per 100,000. Maybe I will be that one unlucky fucker maybe a mate will or my fucking Dad but that's way better than seeing my country men dying on a daily basis because the NRA butt fucks your politicians with dollar, dollar bills y'all.
In the USA
Deaths from heart disease: 364,562
Deaths from Road Traffic Accidents: 34,852
Deaths from prostates cancer: 28,343
Deaths from homicides: 15,803
Might wanna ban cars and anal if you're gonna ban guns.
Source: http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa-cause-of-death-by-age-and-gender
>>693845565
>that's way better than seeing my country men dying on a daily basis because the NRA butt fucks your politicians with dollar, dollar bills y'all.
Niggers killing other niggers by the thousand in gang violence, blame the NRA
I bet you don't even know the numbers for homicides in the US.
I don't get why people who are the most ignorant on gun control have the strongest opinions.
I'm Canadian.
Open carry is not allowed in my province, I think. My friend owns a handgun and it must be kept in a safe at all times.
In downtown, we hardly ever have a situation known as a gunfight. When gun crimes happen, the attacker usually has the jump on the victim before running away. Concealed carry would not have helped the victim.
>>693843868
I'll iterate that a bit.
>and that's what everyone should focus on, when discussing gun laws.
In a way that could be the first step, because solving the broader problem of violence is a massive task but I agree that preventing criminals from getting guns isn't the end.
>>693844326
Minority Report is science fiction and yes, I've seen it. In the movie they haven't solved the problem of crimes either, they just intervene earlier, so that's not the solution I'm implying. The problem is that some people have the urge to commit crimes and act upon their feelings. In an ideal situation, the law says that it's illegal for dangerous people to own guns but the law is only symbolic, because people lack the motivation to commit crimes.
By the way, you don't have free will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzW-r_vPf50
>>693845565
>because the NRA butt fucks your politicians with dollar, dollar bills y'all.
Actually the NRA butt fucks the politicians with the constitution and the backing of millions of members, members that actually pay dues, not just sign up on facebook. These dues are used to defend the 2nd amendment in court not bribe politicians. The NRA represents people not just corporations like most lobbyists.
>>693845293
No reason to suggest that it won't happen to other people but that's how fucked up your govt is. But that's entirely different from being so paranoid that it's someones base reason for needing a gun.
Honestly I feel for you dude, good country great place to visit full of fucking idiots though and corrupt to the cora. Oh yeah and next Trump or Clinton.
>>693827622
Should be required to keep guns secured in a locked room or cabinet in a house with children.
Should be required to have guns secured within reach of the driver seat or kept unloaded if not worn in a holster when in a vehicle.
Too many little kids getting guns and killing people on accident
>>693845969
>the law says that dangerous people can't own guns
what does that even mean? no that is not ideal.
>you don't have free will, here is yt video to prove it
wow you are a fag
>>693846533
>>Too many little kids getting guns and killing people on accident
Except, not really, gun accidents rack up maybe a few hundred a year.
And that number drops like a rock when you're looking at kids killed in gun accidents.
>>693845803
Pretty well versed on the numbers dude I post a lot on The Hill so these "strong opinions" have come up against some strong defences most of the time those defences aren't too smart usually parroted from the erroneous Fox or Breitbart.
>>693846263
It's worrying the amount of power and political clout the NRA have.
>>693846719
Still a regulation saying keep the gun out of the hand of the unsupervised kid.. How the fuck can you argue against that?
Kids have killed Their own parents, imagine growing up and being told that you pulled your mum's gun out of her purse and put one in her dome in the middle of Walmart when you were two?
Holsters exist, the handbag is no place for a pistol. How the fuck is a woman supposed to find it in a hurry anyway? Half of the time it takes a woman 5 minutes to find her fucking keys in a handbag.
>>693846533
If you want to stop kids from getting killed in accidents there should be gun safety education in school.
Kids should be taught at a very young age if they see a gun they should not touch it and should tell and adult. The NRA has the Eddie the Eagle program for this. He is an eagle mascot that teaches young children.
When the kids are older they should be taught basic gun safety such as never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy, always treat guns as if they are loaded, keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot, and always know your target and what lies beyond it.
IMO they should also be taught basic operation of different types of firearms to remove some of the mystery surrounding them.
I had access to firearms from a young age as did most of my friends, we never got them out when we weren't supposed to simply because we didn't have a reason, we were already exposed to them from a young age and taught proper safety.
I'm not saying kids should have access to firearms but it doesn't hurt to teach them safety just in case.
>>693847279
>How the fuck can you argue against that?
because how do you enforce it?
Do you go door to door and invite police into your house for a yearly inspection?
Do you have surprise police inspections of your guns to make sure it's in the safe?
If inspections aren't scheduled, what's keeping people from keeping their guns out until their inspection date?
>>693847430
Doesn't stop a 2 year old. School doesn't start till 5.
An infant will be more interested in seeing what the end of a barrel tastes like than listening to a lecture on gun safety.
Require the dumbass parents to keep these things stored safely by law. There is no argument against this that is based on logic.
>>693847236
The NRA only has that clout because the vast majority of Americans are pro 2nd amendment. Most Libs are for it and almost all repubs are
>>693847651
You charge parents who fail at this with manslaughter
Your two year old did not commit suicide, a negligent parent allowed it to play with a gun, what the fuck did you think would happen?
>>693847279
>>693847651
Not to mention people can be and have been charged with negligence for allowing kids to get a hold of guns and injuring themselves or others with it.
How about education and personal responsibility instead of having the governments cock up your ass all the time?
>>693847279
Kids have also defended themselves and their siblings.
The problem with making a law is what age do you use as the cut off? I was licensed to hunt and carrying a rifle around the woods at 12. I got my first rifle for my 11th birthday. I knew where the key to my parents gun cabinet was before that. Most of my friends had access to guns at that age and we didn't shoot anyone.
That's not to say all 12 year olds should have access to guns but IMO it the parents should use their judgement, if you aren't going to teach your kid gun safety or he can't stay out of trouble, keep it locked up.
>>693847838
>>The NRA only has that clout because the vast majority of Americans are pro 2nd amendment.
Most of the NRA's power comes from the countless million single-issue voters who, when an election comes up, goes and looks at someone's NRA rating to see if they're likely to ban guns.
>>693847982
>Your two year old did not commit suicide, a negligent parent allowed it to play with a gun, what the fuck did you think would happen?
So you just want to charge people who fail to keep their guns locked up and their children kill someone with them, with manslaughter.
This is already a charge. It's already horribly negligent to let your children access loaded firearms unsupervised.
How do you enforce the "keep all guns locked up" law before someone gets killed?
What's the jail time for someone who didn't lock their guns up, but no one got hurt, no children played with them?
>>693846707
It means that if you are going to shoot other people, it's a disapproved action, because other people don't want to get shot and in a democratic society people have decided that it would be best, if it would be illegal to shoot other people. In order to shoot someone, a gun is needed and because shooting others is illegal, it's also illegal for the potential shooter to own guns. This doesn't contradict with the second amendment, because its purpose is to ensure that people are able to defend themselves. Those people would be unaffected by such law.
Watch the video. It's the simplest explanation on the matter. In short, brain is the organ that controls the thoughts and actions of an individual and if we dissect the brain into smaller and smaller pieces, we're left with atoms, which we know are controlled by the laws of physics. The video also deals with consciousness and subconsciousness as well as other topics, so you definitely should watch it. Like the title of the video says, free will is only an illusion. It may be crushing realization for some but you can't affect your destiny in any way and whenever you think, did you make the right decisions in your past, you didn't. You didn't do any choosing at all.
>>693827622
taking guns away from people like you is helpful enough.
>>693848596
why do you keep typing out these long goofy responses?
it will never be illegal to own a firearm because you "might" hurt someone withstanding a restraining order or other court type order because that ALREADY FUCKING EXISTS. you just don't know the laws but you act like you do and you're all retarded and shit
I wash my hands of you
>>693847822
I agree there is no excuse for letting a 2 year old get a gun but im not sure a law would help much. I'm sure if the parent thought for a second the kid was going to get the gun they would have locked it up. I don't see how a law will make them smarter or better parents. It would only be able to be enforced after the fact and that would be too late.
It is always tragic when a kid dies but lots of kids dies from negligent parents whether it is by a gun or the chemicals under the sink or the pool in the backyard.
>>693828382
stats are wrong. There was one mass shooting in Canada between 2009 or 2015 which killed like 4 people so the stats are way off.
>>693848261
You tack an extra 5 years of compulsory jail time on whatever manslaughter Sentance they get because the crime involved a gun.
This kind of shit works with the Dindus and other kinds of crime it can work with shit parenting.
>>693847279
Passing a law like that wouldn't do shit.
That happens bc of irresponsible parents who don't train their kids how to use guns and don't store them properly
You can't pass a law preventing stupid people from doing stupid things. How do you think a law like that would be enforced or effective?
>>693848847
>This kind of shit works with the Dindus and other kinds of crime it can work with shit parenting.
Make the law "gross negligence of leaving loaded firearms in reach of a child" and only able to be tacked onto an actual crime where someone was hurt, instead of a mandatory gun safe law and I'm fine with that.
>>693829128
Define mass shooting
>>693848960
All laws can follow that logic anarchist....
>>693830592
Guns are for shooting a projectile
Target is irrelevant
>>693849081
That's my logic
Who fucking needs a gun safe if you don't have kids
If you do have kids, a gun safe is a good idea. hell even a tall shelf
The stupid thing is yanks haven't even figured out pool fences yet..
>>693848847
>works with dindus
I don't think laws work with them at all
>>693848800
Because I'm able to. Let me try a different approach:
It's the same as going to a war and wanting the terrorists to not have guns. They may get them some way but not from you.
Does that make sense?
Speaking of movies, have you seen Idiocracy?
>>693849436
Look it up
There are states where any crime involving a gun has extra time added to the sentence. Places who have these laws have actually seen a reduction in gun crime.
>>693849532
>>Does that make sense?
no none of it makes sense. mainly because we do supply terrorists directly and indirectly. but that doesn't mean we are imposing "bans" on terrorists because they are already enemies.
citizens are not enemies. why should they be regulated?
>>693842761
> more people
> higher per capita
go back to school
>>693849874
Well maybe you shouldn't give weapons to the people you are fighting against. That's what I'm trying to say. And I've said multiple times, not everyone should be regulated. Only those, who are determined to hurt others. Laws often don't say directly, how the laws should be enforced but act as guidelines. I'm quite sure that you don't think killing others is a good thing and should be illegal. By the same logic, being able to commit such crimes should be as hard as possible. If someone wants to go shoot a machine gun to a range or carry a pistol for protection, he should have the possibility to do so.
>>693849100
No
Some laws are rosier enforced than others and put on place for obvious reasons
I don't know how a law saying "all owners need to throw a gun in a safe or else!" would be enforced. It's different than keeping cameras in a store to catch thieves. How does one plan on keeping track of who does and does not have their shit locked up?
>>693848596
How cute, baby's first encounter with philosophy.
>>693851169
It's physics, not philosophy.
>New zealand
>My entire country
There's your example, pigfucker.
>>693851169
...and neuroscience, if we go further.
>>693850950
nah nigga nah you are just really confused.
yes i think that killing is wrong.. i try not to kill spiders and small bugs anymore. what right do i have to kill them but my strength?
but that doesn't mean that i don't think gun regulations are stupid. i think that gun laws begin and end with the 2A. end of story
>>693852195
Then I highly recommend that you take a look, why the second amendment exists. It has a deeper purpose than just allowing gun ownership.
>>693853043
>It has a deeper purpose than just allowing gun ownership.
yeah like personal protection over family, property and even neighbor
defense against threats foreign and domestic and even tyrannical governments
I have taken "a look" at the 2A chief don't worry about that. shall not be infringed, despite being heavily fucking infringed
