What are your religious views, /b/?
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What are your religious views, /b/?
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>>692959317
Seven.
Christian
>>6929593
Anyone who is under a 6 is kidding themselves, really.
>>692959317
6 is the only correct answer
>Creationism in any form
>2016
Give it up, theists.
3
ITT: neckbeards argue about who is more of an atheist and quote "The God Complex".
/thread
>>692959317
Naturalism is the only sensible view.
>>692960452
Thats not a number....
Ot: 6
4
>>692959317
I'm somewhere between 5 and 6
There's no actual theists or creationists on /b/.
>>692961027
OP asked for religious views
>>692961335
Same
>>692961395
this
I'm a 6
>>692959317
Everyone who says 7 is underage tbh. If you are even remotely intelligent, you know that you cannot know for certain that there aren't gods/a God.
Personally, I'd place myself around 4.
>>692959317
Everyone on /b/ is some degree of atheist leaning. Theism isn't welcome here
>>692962856
This
None. As it should be.
0
bump
1
come at me
I'm somewhere between 5 and 6.
4
2
more than 3 -> ignorant fuck
no, really, if you're 6/7 you may try listening to arguments. Being a theist may be old school, but it makes sense once you open your eyes
>>692970099
serious?
>>692959317
At a strong 7. Taking everything into consideration, the world and the universe itself, I can't conceive that all of this shit is the plan of some omnipotent being.
>1,2,3 Cunts
>4,5,6 good to least in that order
>7, as bad as 1
>>692970219
Yes, because everything on /b/ is the truth.
seriously though, couldn't give a shit whether or not a higher power exists or not
>>692959317
6.
Anyone who says they know for sure is lying.
8
Not only is there no "god", anyone who even entertains the idea should be rounded up and sent to reeducation until they are no longer any threat to infect the rest of society with their madness.
>>692970421
Found the flimsy American
4. Equally probable in your culture maybe
>>692960249
this
>>692959317
I'm a 6
>>692959317
Anything besides 1, 4, or 7 is for the weak willed
>>692971275
ok
which are you?
4
5
Used to be 7 but neckbeards killed it for me. Maybe god created them to show me how retarded I was
>>692959317
1. I am God.
>>692971696
HEY! I was wondering when I'd get to speak to you. Good to hear from you. My life is pretty cool, so thanks for that.
2.5 xd
>>692959317
4, anything else is retarded, and saying science every two sentences doesn't make your argument scientific.
Was a 6, now I'm a 2. Blame Anthony Flew and William Lane Craig
>>692959317
I'm too drunk or high to think about it... The only time I've felt nothing is when I died for 6 mins, and I felt nothing so I hope there is nothing after this life.
>>692960371
>>692960385
>>692964983
>>692970318
You're all retarded if you think you can be 100% certain of anything without definitive proof.
Even Dawkins himself is a 6 - and he created the scale.
>>692959317
4 defiantly, it's very possible that everything I know and experience is purely made in my brain and not happening. Who knows what is truly real and what's not
>>692959317
5 here. Any 1s and 7s are fucking jokes.
>>692973289
Equiprobable is just as retarded, given the total absence of evidence - which IS evidence of absence in this scenario.
>>692973084
Kek, this.
>>692973586
>>692973289
Never mind - mistook 5 for 4. I'm retarded.
>>692973289
>5 here. Any 1s and 7s are fucking jokes.
letting fear and lack of conviction set your beliefs, that is the fucking joke.
7 here.
>>692959317
I doubt there's someone who wants to deal with all of us especially the women but i have a lil bit of faith because only something that made up like the idea of god can save this shitball spinning around a lit fart
>>692959317
5-6.
>>692959317
If you're anything above a 6 you're retarded.
>>692973586
I'm a 4 leaning to a 5 or 6 and that's a bullshit statement. I'm very put off by the idea of creationism, but being honest with myself there is objectively no more evidence against the existence of a "God" than there is for it. A lack of evidence for does not equate evidence against.
>>692973084
the why give probability to anything? you are weak and afraid. let it all go.
>>692959317
Hard 6 on the Dawkins scale
Well, I have the only set of religious beliefs that is correct of course.
Check it out
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_naturalism
Either 4 or 6.
I'm open to the idea of something existing in this universe that might be a god, even if we are totally incapable of recognizing it as such.
But ye olde "Wise dude in the clouds who loves all and occasionally smites the unrighteous" is just right the fuck out.
I linger around from 3/5
4.
There is no evidence proving a god's existence, but however there is no evidence disapproving a god's existence.
/thread
>>692973952
>A lack of evidence for does not equate evidence against.
Yes, it absolutely does. That's a complete fallacy. Especially in a scenario where evidence should be present everywhere.
If I told you an elephant spampeded through your house while you were gone, and you came home and saw your house completely intact, would this absence of evidence of the elephant NOT be evidence of it not happening?
The probability of god existing or not existing is NOT 50/50. You're a fucking retard and you know nothing of logic or probability.
>>692974394
The probability of you having a mental disability is a lot higher than 50/50.
>>692974596
Zing! Good one ;)
5
>>692974394
Faggots like you are why people hate atheists. Fuck, at this point I'd honestly rather be around religious people, and I really fucking hate religious people.
>>692968773
Definitely Agnostic Theist.
When I was younger I was a strong 7. Then I did ALOT of hallucinogenic drugs. Im now at about a 2.
not muslim
>>692973998
Its not an afraid thing, it's more of a "what if" kinda thing. I'm not changing the way I'm living my life because of this, it's just somethin I like to think about. Non-existence isn't something I fear.
What makes me weak exactly?
>>692974787
>makes completely logical sense
>FAGGOTS LIKE YOU!!!
Yeah, and ignorant faggots like you who can't understand logic are why I fucking hate fence-sitting morons like yourself. I would't miss your company in the least.
I'd say I'm about a 4 to be fair. I think the universe and its beginning are a lot more complicated than any scientific or religious theories currently available.
I will say, however, that Abrahamic religions, while having a few descent moral teachings, are complete bullshit and and I believe them to be without a doubt 100% false.
>>692974394
What if I told you there is a purple vase in my kitchen? You have no evidence for or against that claim, so how could you give a definitive answer?
8. militant agnostic, I don't know if there's a god. you dont either
>>692974835
chemicals are your proof of god?
>>692975253
Hail the vase prophet!
>>692975253
We're not talking about a definitive answer - we're talking about probability.
And that's a false equivalency in terms of an argument, because that claim doesn't warrant a massive amount of evidence either way. The claim of an omnipotent, omnipresent, intelligent god DOES warrant at least SOME evidence. However, there is absolutey none. Therefore, in this claim, absence of evidence emphatically equals evidence of absence.
You brainlets are fucking insufferable.
>>692974067
Nature tier religion bro
Gg
>>692975456
Ever Tried 6+ tabs of acid? You'll never ever ever doubt god again ahaha
>>692959317
>4
but it's a little more complicated than that, but it really doesn't matter either way.
>>692974835
I did a ton of hallucigenic drugs as a teenager and it only strengthened my previously held beliefs
>>692975253
if I'm forbidden from seeing the vase and can't test the vase. I'm not wrong to not believe in your vase
>>692975805
I want to try acid but I can't find any :-(
>>692975101
You hell dwelling faggot loving idiots always tryna come around here with your knowleges and your numbers and make the rest of us good God fearing people look bad.
>>692975805
I have and do
>>692962739
Same
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>>692975640
Thinking you know the definitive answer to possibly the most talked about questions is completely delusional. I'm not a man of God either but you're touched in the head if you truly think that way.
>>692975987
Friend, do some reading on research chemicals. 1P-LSD is legal in many countries and can be ordered online.
>>692976044
I highly doubt you!
>>692975903
My previously held beliefs which where
>>692974067
And I have taken insane amounts of the drugs
>>692959317
7.
a god? really? it's such bullshit!
I suppose I'm a 2. But by definition I'm a 6.
I think like
Like, what if the universe itself might be God, maannn
>>692975026
"what it" what?
what is the purpose? conjecture and belief are not the same thing.
>>692975903
I highly doubt the "ton" part. Try a large dose of LSD, or perhaps some DMT if you are able to find some. I would make you some if I knew you!
>>692975640
No, it's your holier than thou attitude that's insufferable. It's the same reason people hate the religious folks that try "convert" everybody they meet. You think you're superior than everyone else. It's why you have no real friends, and the ones you may have try their best to avoid actually having to be around you.
>>692976174
That's cool! LSD is as safe as milk and I have taken approximately 8- 10
Tabs. No way of knowing as gangsters don't grid their sheets.
>>692959317
I'm a 7 if we mean the universe has a creator that is the Abrahamic god
6 if it's god like beings when compared to us
>>692976193
I seriously believe that if everyone had a psychedelic experience the world would be a better place.
>>692976117
You are so fucking stupid.
I NEVER said I knew anything definitively - I clearly stated that this was about probability, and that god is NOT probable. I was the one earlier stating how a 1 or a 7 on the scale is an illogical position. How did you miss that in my argument?
>>692975805
I have done plenty of hallucinogenics. again I ask, man-made chemical are your proof of god?
>>692976253
I mentioned what if
And it's not some theory I have, it's just something I think about when I'm bored
>>692976624
>>692976253
Meant omg
I think 6 is the best view.I mean we dont know shit yet about the universe and there might be a higher form of consciousness but probably most likely not in the form of god we imagine him to be
>>692976298
I'm not trying to convert anyone - I'm trying to make people feel stupid for being fucking stupid.
And I have no friends? I should probably let my friends know that - I'm about to head to a party. They should be made aware that they aren't my friends.
Haha you pathetic, projecting, idiotic, motherfucking piece of dogshit. Go fuck yourself. I AM superior to you - and anyone else who can't understand basic logic. Go fuck yourself.
>>692976903
>Insecurity - The Post
>>692976624
>I mentioned what if
>And it's not some theory I have, it's just something I think about when I'm bored
yes, and I asked "what if " what?
so you are saying that daydreaming is your reason for stating there might be a god?
>>692976613
I would hardly call Banisteriopsis caapi, and Psilocybin mushrooms man made.
While LSD is man made, it is synthesized from ergot fungus.
But to answer your question, yes. The experience these substances showed me that God exists, but not in any understandable, or quantifiable way.
6
>>692977130
You're mistaking insecurity for rage. I'll admit it - I'm mad. I'm angry that so many people are so fucking stupid, and that common sense is so uncommon. It truly angers me.
Insecurity was more present in the projective nature of your previous post, honestly. But I don't expect you to understand that.
I don't give a fuck at all. So, none of the above?
>>692977228
There could be very solid evidence that there is or is not a God, but we can't comprehend it and never will. Lesser dimensional beings can't comprehend greater ones. Dont take what I'm saying to seriously, this is just shit I think about.
>>692977243
so then the proof of god is the defense mechanism of a fungus?
>>692976903
Holy shit, I hope this is b8
>>692977243
Yeah that happens to me a lot, thought I was the personification of nature once and Jesus another time and I can still think rationally after 8hours to 3 months.
I do have a powerful religious experience whenever I think of the interconnectedness of everything.
>>692959317
Probably a soft 5.3... because I've done the reading and I've been exposed to some really interesting concepts... that, and I also probably have different definitions or criteria for certain concepts.
Granted, no one cares- especially not me; I'm a soft 5.3.
>>692973938
You might also be retarded for thinking that way.
You know... very few people are actually made of cardboard... right?
>>692959317
6 but absolutely do not believe in god or magic.
>>692977598
>There could be very solid evidence
>There could be
But currently there is not - so this statement is basically meaningless. For logic and reason to exist, we have to operate on what we know - not what "could be."
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>>692977646
Awesome counterargument.
>>692962856
Too bad son.
>>692977598
the entire history of humanity is filled with, "I cant understand this, therefore god". so then ignorance is your proof of god? at least that I can agree with as it allows the converse, that knowledge is the disproof of god.
>>692977932
That's why I am not stating anything as fact and never would, it's just interesting to think about. People still
>>692977680
That's awesome!
6 is the obvious choice if your not borderline retarded like most people in the world but hey the other choices are your own dumbass opinions. To each his own.
>>692961335
Me to, probably more a 6
I am gonna say 0, because I simply don't care wether God put me here, or if I evolved from a retarded fish frog, and I'm never gonna know within my lifetime so why would I even bother?
Those who are a 1 or 2....why?
>>692978055
Jesus, I never said there is a God, I dont know how what I'm saying makes you think I belive in god
>>692974167
I'll second that. I think there's no god, but sometimes i still believe there might be one.
>>692977733
You can never EVER be 100% sure that there is no god. Just as you can never be 100% sure that there is a god. If you never have any doubts about your beliefs then you are probably wrong.
- A staunch Hitchens Atheist.
>>692977994
Not the guy you're replying to. Don't act like this is still an objective discussion. At this point you're just desperately trying to defend your "superiority".
5
>>692978180
Interesting view. This complete lack of proof makes it incredibly important to discuss for some, but apparently not for you. That's a very respectable way of seeing this whole topic.
>>692962739
Except saying 4 is just as retarded as saying 1 or 7.
Saying you're 4 on the scale means you believe the probability of gods existing or gods not existing are equal, and that either belief is valid. Since you have no evidence or proof either way, this is a baseless claim and just as retarded as saying, "Gods DO exist" or " Gods DON'T exist."
The only true middle ground is somewhere between 5 and 6. Until evidence presents itself, you remain skeptical of god claims.
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>>692978360
I guess I'm probably right about what I believe, then.
>>692976433
This is (mostly) the only rational answer.
Unless someone is a shitkicking moron or so weak willed they just follow whatever everyone else tells them they HAVE to believe without evidence, the only default position is skepticism, which lies between 5 and 6.
>>692977631
Banisteriopsis caapi is not a fungus.
Attempting to simplify the substance does not invalidate it.
I am a 6 friend. No one has definite tangible proof of god. My experiences have led me to believe in the existence of a higher power. If you can't see god, or hold him in your hands, this does not mean he doesn't exist. Many years ago people would have called you insane if you told them there are invisible energies in the world. But now we know of the elctromagnetic spectrum.
There's no rational reason to be a theist in 2016
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>>692978982
No, saying 4 is basically admitting you don't know. And guess what, you don't. Not one person does. Admitting when you don't know something is usually hard but a smart enough person will realize that they don't know and it is impossible to know so they will simply admit being 100% uncertain.
7
6 in arguments
>>692959317
Strong Theist.
>>692979591
>I can't defend my own view point in arguments
>>692959317
1 and 7 are impossible. You can't be 100% certain of anything
>>692980161
>>692959317
8.godslayer atheist
I am 100% sure that there is no god, and even if a chance existed, i would try to kill it
>>692980161
So you're 100% sure OP is a fag.
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>>692981058
There are exceptions to every rule. Its simply an axiom of existence that OP is a fag.
>>692980161
i am 100% sure that you're a cunt
>>692980713
You think you understand?
>>692981334
Love you too anon :*)
Atheist to all mainstream faiths that exist on this planet because of the nature of them, they are immoral and idiotic, but there may be some incomprehensible divine entity that helped consciously influence the big bang, because of we look at the sheer chances of it recollapsing or having other errors, it just seems like there is universal consciousness making sure that it will work out. But I embrace science first, and I do believe that there may be a chance that there can be the divine incorporated within it, but just not that of any religion. Atheist/agnostic.
>>692971696
Hey God, I'm trying to figure out if I can be a homosexual, do you really hate fags like my mom says you do?
>>692959317
1. And I am not a virgin like every 7 or 6
2
>>692981921
>>692959317
if you're not a 6 you're an idiot
>>692982037
nihilism is trash. this is an excuse primitivists use to regress valuable human progress.
about 3.6-3.9 on there.
>>692982037
I love my life
>>692982070
see >>692981590
Kind of my case
>>692962419
is full of shit
>>692979448
Read it again. 4 is thinking both existence and non-existence of equally probable.
This is bullshit. It's just as retarded as claiming either is 100% true without evidence. You can't know the probability of either, so claiming both are equal is asinine.
5 is more inline with what you're saying. You don't say, "Yeah, well prove gods don't exist!" You can't prove a negative. The default position is non-belief in a claim until the person making the claim provides quantifiable evidence.
Do you believe in the tooth fairy? If not, why? Can you prove it doesn't exist?
'Course not. The default position is for you to not believe in the tooth fairy until I prove it exists. Same applies to god claims.
You can't talk about a person being "smart enough to realize" and then go on to say the only rational position is believing existence and non-existence have equal probability.
>>692959317
Define "God".
4? But poorly worded.
"God" could be a scientist in a lab that created the universe in a container. It could also be what we have currently fabricated as a typical theistical being with supernatural powers upon our universe only we are incapable of understanding its power.
"I don't know." is not on this list and there is literally 0 evidence to prove one way or the other. If you're either an Atheist or a Theist you're a fool.
>>692980161
I'm a 1 and 100% sure you're a moron
>>692975101
Why should I pick a side in something that doesn't matter and can't be answered anyway? Guess I'm just spineless
>>692982651
it's not though
>>692982873
what religion?
>>692982915
i'm here so your whole theory is bullshit
>>692968773
Not on this chart.
>>692982848
I wouldn't say that there is
>literally 0 evidence
just that
>there isn't any evidence so far that we can meaningfully discern or work with
because there is certainly phenomenon in the world. Whether the "ultimate causal nature" of said phenomenon is X or Y remains to be
>literally
100% confirmed.
>>692983183
christianity but i also believe the modern bible has been to twisted and corrupted to take as perfect.
>>692983188
Ok. You're a creatonist?
>>692983441
yep
>>692960698
God isn't purely what the religious organizations created. God could be anything.
666 the number of the beast
>>692983188
You'd have to be pretty damn stupid or ignorant to actually believe in creationism in 2016
>>692983591
>you'd have to be pretty damn stupid or ignorant to not believe in creationism in the current year.
>>692983477
ok
where on the scale?
im just agnostic idk
>>692983253
It will never be possible for any object or being to interact with something outside of their reality. That is simply the definition of reality.
If you are a being that exists outside of their concept of time and space and can alter it in a way that they can not perceive then there will never be a way for them to know about or even comprehend of a way to interact with you.
Things could exist that you will never conceive of. It will never be possible. You must accept this concept.
That said, it will ALWAYS be possible for SOMETHING to exist outside of time/space as 'we' know it. You have no idea. Literally 0 evidence will ever exist. It is not possible for this evidence to exist.
>>692959317
no one gives a shit, sage
>>692982151
It's pretty great from the inside boi
>>692983697
>literally "no u"
All aspects of creationism have been disproven or supplanted by science at this point. Everything about life, earth, the universe and so on has proved to be natural phenonmena, not supernatural creationism nonsense
>>692983744
That's a joke though.
>>692983757
>206 replies
>101 unique IPs
>HURRRRRR NO ONE CARES OBVIOUSLY
>>692983744
That is impossible.
>>692983846
>because your insult was a basically "hurr ur dumb" thus "no u"
please explain how something came from nothing?
>>692983757
I like watching
>>692983996
That's creationism, not naturalism.
>>692983846
this
>>692983872
nope seen some shit in life, talk with god regularly, he has a plan for you too anon,.
>>692984182
sure
>>692984098
exactly? this universe had to be created by something. creationism
>>692983846
List out stuff that can't be explained by natural science:
>
Done.
>>692984285
>this universe had to be created by something
How did it "have" to be?
>>692983996
Big Bang
>>692984384
How I met your mother gave me a Big Bang
>>692984285
That's a blind assumption.
>>692984291
>the creation of the universe
>what actually happens when we die
also science is the how god did everything not the why things happened.
>>692984384
>nothing sat doing nothing and for no reason exploded into something
nope.mp3
>>692984357
yes because only nothing comes from nothing
>>692983744
Troll
>>692984496
The universe was not "created". Creation is not possible, only change.
What happens when we die is pretty simple. That's the end.
>>692984477
no it's not go get a bottle and empty everything out of it into a vaccuum. unless you introduce something or make a change it will never do anything besides nothing. something has to set the events in motion.
>>692984496
Creationism claims stuff is made from nothing all the time.
>>692984648
That's because the bottle is empty.
>>692984664
by a god who uses a different force/material that we don't know/understand.
>>692984496
No one is this ignorant. This is bait.
>>692984757
except there's no evidence in existence for a god
>>692984803
because if there were then you would have no free will to believe in him.
>>692984837
If there is no evidence or reason, then why bother believing in one? Everything is explainable without it.
>>692984496
>I don't understand the big bang therefore' it's not true
>>692984648
The universe is not empty.
>>692985173
not since everything was created no
>>692985272
It was never empty.
>>692985337
yes it was because nothing was created yet
Humanity is explained by evolution
Life is explained by abiogenesis
Universe is explained by big bang
god of the gaps gets smaller every year
>>692985408
>circular logic
>>692985591
science merely shows how god made everything it doesn't disprove him
>>692983719
>It will never be possible for any object or being to interact with something outside of their reality
You mean... like a closed system model of a contemporary universe? Or...
I mean, suppose you -were- a being that existed outside of their realm of time/space/spacetime/whathaveyou and were able to alter their percepts in ways they could not discern. Could you not then alter their percepts such that they could then be made aware, or become able to comprehend, your existence? For them to establish ways to communicate with you? The only feasible analogy I can come up with, that isn't even quite accurate enough, would be interacting with a complex heuristic simulation that utilized several sets of data, which included at least three networks that were meant to exhibit "agency" over one another by "trading" values they eventually came up with. Eventually, they would end "painting" some random noise by the end of the experiment, even if you interact with them.
I mean... I'm not sure where you're going with
>That said, it will ALWAYS be possible for SOMETHING to exist outside of time/space as 'we' know it
>You have no idea. Literally 0 evidence will ever exist. It is not possible for this evidence to exist
I'm fairly certain I had an idea. You just disagreed with it, and somewhat contradicted yourself by suggesting that things are, because you suggest they are, and there can be no other possible occurrence or nature to things- while also suggesting that something else can be wholly pertinent regardless. Why is it not possible? Explain without defaulting to "reality".
I didn't know you were omniscient. Can you create the heaviest rock, and lift it?
>the true situation that exists; the real situation
>the definition for reality
Metaphysics isn't our strong suit. We rely on external peripherals. For all you know, the force known as gravity doesn't originate from "this universe". I certainly don't know that at all.
>>692985679
All of those things are naturally occuring, there's no supernatural requirement
>>692985800
but what set it all in motion m8 what designed it to work that way?
>>692986002
I don't think you understand what naturally occuring means.
>>692986002
>designed it
>>692986210
>all of this just perfectly aligned itself to work out and generate life which is dependent on things that if varied in the slightest it wouldn't work
>>692986659
>>all of this just perfectly aligned itself to work out and generate life which is dependent on things that if varied in the slightest it wouldn't work
Do you have any idea how big the universe is?
>>692986659
lol
there's nothing perfectly aligned, 99.999999% of the universe is devoid of life for a reason
7. God isn't just improbable, it's merely mentally inevitable. Animism is just one of the stages of development, we imagined nature to have agency because we possess agency. The entire idea arose from the fact that meteorology is difficult, all early religions feature a highly important "harvest god" or "rain god", all early religious structures appear to be astrological tracking tools. God is literally just the weather.
>>692959317
6.
even if there is a god why would you worship him.
look at all the suffering he caused. if hes all powerfull he could easily stop it. fuck that guy
>>692987917
I'd worship a clever God instead of a benevolent God.
Why not?
>>692959317
I CANNOT know for certain but i'm 100% there is no god
>>692988134
someone who could have stopped my moms cancer but didn't is not getting any worship from me. but in all honesty the chance of god being real is just as likely as the fucking flying spaghetti monster
>>692988677
I mean, there isn't a non-zero chance... God or a flying Spaghetti monster is somewhat as likely as a fractal-esque universe, and more likely than rolling a 7 with a six-sided die (by virtue of agency in human beings being able to make inferences on things).
At least, if you take it that way.
>>692959317
1
>still doing science
>never understood why atheists used science >to prove god doesn't exist.
>Science actually proved God exist.
#Kurt Gödel
>>692990398
fail
>>692990398
>>692990572
why?
Please develop, this will be fun^^
