Am I the only one that thinks it has no sense how the plot around Jon being a Targaryen has no sense?
I mean, it if you kidnap one of the most valuable person in a war, you don't leave her unattended in a small tower, right?
>>691829365
Well she wasn't unattended. She had handmaidens, and also had three kingsguard with her (including Ser Arthur Dayne, who is widely regarded as the best swordsman who ever lived in the GoTverse).
>>691829365
Lyanna was put there for safety. No battles were fought in Dorne, so she would be safe from the fighting, and since everyone was focused on the war elsewhere in Westeros, no one would come for her.
>>691830061
Handmaidens aren't quite a fighter. You can have one skillfull swordsman, but he can be killed just by outnumbering him. The details are weak as fuck, it seems they care more about fa-shipping than writing good plots.
>>691830297
And Ned leaves his duty to go for her... A little bit unnoble for him, right? Why was he never charged of any crime? If some does something similar at any war gains an execution.
>>691830517
The war was basically over. He was sent by Robert to get his sister.
>>691830517
Robert Barathian was in love with her, he probably sent his two top guys (Ned and Jojen's dad) to save her since the Targaryen army was routed.
>>691829365
She wasn't kidnapped. She was there to give birth in a safe location far from combat.
>>691830706
>>691830816
>>691830838
Where's that implied? And don't say the books, the series is by far another product (and books are quite better written)
>>691830517
>Lyanna is neds only sister
>robert and ned are besties
>robert loves lyanna
are you sure youre watching the right show?
>>691831056
Go back to season 1 when Robert is talking to Ned about his sister (I think they were in the crypt under Winterfell).
>>691831056
>>691831175
Also in Season 1 when Robert is talking to Cerci on his death bed, he admits he only ever loved Lyanna.
>>691831056
They mention missing each other at the Neck which is the battle where Rheagar is killed and the targarian forces are routed. Also Robert was deeply in love with Lyanna. Watch episode 1 season 1. It's all there.
>>691831056
You should be able to tell from what's been said about Robert and Rhaegar. Robert was a womanizer, brute, and a drunk. Rhaegar was beautiful and kind and was knightly. He wouldn't have kidnapped Lyanna.
CLEGANE BOWL
>>691829365
The talented Targaryen kings guard would be equal to an F16 in a modern fight.
>>691831056
Also the Aemon Targaryen, the Maester on the wall pretty much spells out that He would never kidnap her and that they were in love.
>>691832337
It was like 7 against 3 and the Kingsguard nearly won.
>>691829365
She was not kidnapped
She left with him for love
Did you see the way little finger looked at Sansa when she said the word kidnap?
The only thing that bothered me about the last episode is that Varys appeared to travel so quickly back and forth. Although, I think a lot more time was supposed to have passed there, it just wasn't represented well.
So it's confirmed that Jon is Targaryen+Stark now, right? Sorry, I watched it last night and just woke up 5 minutes ago.
>>691832707
Stark confirmed targarian strongly implied
>>691832576
The Kingsguard would've won if not for plot armor.
>>691832827
Alright, so if he IS Targaryen, that would make himmmm... Dany's half-brother, as well as being a Stark? So he'd have legitimate claim to the title of "King in the North" as well as just plain ol' King in the same way Dany has claim to be Queen.
Also, am I crazy or was the actor that played Arya in diguise the most attractive female on the show so far?
>>691833608
Dany's niece, actually. Dany is the Mad King's daughter, and Rhaegar, Jon's father, is Dany's brother.
Can confirm that disguise Arya was hot.
>>691833608
No. Dany's nephew
>>691833608
Her nephew
>>691833608
His claim isn't legitimate if his parents weren't married
>>691830517
Ned left to go get Lyanna on Robert Boratheon's order after the actual war was one. The only thing left to do at this point was save Lyanna and take kings landing (which Robert was on his way to do while Ned went south)
>>691833516
Not necessarily. The details of the fight weren't given in the book. It just says that Arthur Dayne would have killed Ned if Howland hadn't saved him. It didn't look unreasonable in the show. Arthur Dayne was focused on Ned when Howland stabbed him in the back.
>>691829365
>>691830061
This. Ser Arthur Dayne fought for the Targaryen side during the war, he WAS one of the best swordsmen in the world, not to mention the war was pretty much over at the time.
Read the history BEFORE GoT started and things make a lot more sense. GoT is missing HUGE chunks of lore/story
>>691830517
>Why was he never charged of any crime?
You are literally a fucking retard. The only person with any say over any of the power Lords is the king they were fighting. Did you miss that part of the entire goddamn series? And quit comparing AWOL intantry laws in modern national armies to a medieval lord who is the law
>>691833810
Fuck. Nephew. How did I fuck that up?
>>691834363
Arthur Dayne also was the one who KNIGHTED Jaime Lannister
>>691831056
Not sure this will make it to the thread but this is an imgur link with photos explaining the details of how Robert's Rebellion went.
/a/jfhjD
People ITT need to read up on Robert's Rebellion.
or look up Epic History Baratheon/Targaryen on YT
>>691833810
Oh, dafuq is wrong with my brain.
Okay, then I'm not sure who would have the stronger claim to the Iron Throne. I mean, Dany currently has the power and the desire for it, whereas Jon doesn't give a fuck about it (and rightly so). I'm thinking Dany does, by way of lineage, but people seem to prefer having a King to a Queen if they can help it.
I hope they actually see eachother as allies, instead of Dany trying to pre-emptively stab Jon in the back because he's a "threat".
They have similar personality traits, with the difference being Dany will passionately attack an ideal, while Jon will passionately defend one.
>>691834561
>>691834762
Good read.
>>691829365
This post is a mess, and your point is nonsensical
>>691834767
I think Jon has the stronger claim by virtue of being male. However, you're right that he doesn't give a fuck. He's probably not even that interested in being King in the North. Targ or not, I feel he'd be happy to give Dany the Iron Throne. I don't think Dany would try to kill him, since suddenly she'll have blood family again. She just may want to marry him, since Targs do that anyways.
>>691832707
Rewatch the last scene, there weren't only Targaryan and Greyjoy ships in the fleet, but houses Martell and Tyrell as well.
Motherfucking Sansa will screw everything up, will kill jon to be the only Stark remaining so she can suck littlefinger's dick in the Iron Throne.
>>691835502
If Jon is the true born son of Rheagar (meaning he was married to Lyanna) then Jon is the heir to the throne. If they weren't married it's Danerys.
>>691835853
I think you missed the part where she shot littlefinger down.
>>691835853
She's the one to kill littlefinger
>>691833883
>>691834024
You're right, I derp'd
>>691834132
Ooohhh, that's a good point.
>>691835502
Oh yeah. Good point about Targaryens marrying eachother.
I don't know how down Dany would be for that, Jon for that matter...
Although, Dany IS going there with the intention of making alliances, possibly through marriage. Jon does have decent army now, as well as being an enemy of the people who hold what Dany wants. The only problem I see is that Jon and the rest of the North is going to want to kill all the Iron Born, including the rebels who are allied with Dany.
>>691835895
Indeed, I'd been stupid and forgotten. I think it'd be a weird direction to take the show, though. 7 seasons of Dany coming to Westeros just to find out she's technically second in line.
>>691835806
Fuck. Me. Okay, I really need to not watch shit while I'm falling asleep.
Thank you.
So Aegon came and conquered the 7 kingdoms, brought them all under a single banner. I wonder if Dany will break them back up.
That, or Jon will maintain the North as Warden to the Targaryens (like Torrhen Stark did in the past). Martell's will hold the south like before. Tyrells will hold as Wardens as well.
Lannisters gonna get fucked, then they'll deal with the white walkers.
>>691836103
and you missed the part where she expected to be titled "queen/warden of the north" just to be kicked in the cunt by everyone else acknowledging jon, you can actually see her brighten up as the girl says "the king in the north whose name is Stark" and then look upset when she follows up with "I don't care if he's a bastard".
After the scene Sansa looks at middlefinger and he stares back like saying " I told you bithc, you better do as I say"
Anyone else NOT cheering for Targaryen reign? Like, I get that she's got a claim, but the Targaryens were cunts.
>>691832239
HYPE
>>691837096
She didn't expect that nor was she upset
RIP
>>691831056
he pretty much says it in the original flashback
>>691837689
>>691837689
he was the mad king because he was going to do what Cersai did so was he really all that crazy of a king?
>>691838250
well, she went with a boom and left a great hole..
>>691839401
Well, Cersei is the cuntiest of the cunts
Littlefinger trying to get some
>>691839729
and just look at all those people cheering when she was crowned
>>691839401
Yes. Cersei is just as much of a crazy bitch as Aerys was a psychopath.
>>691839401
He was going to do it to all of kings landing not just the sept and cersie's pretty much crazy now so...
>>691839980
Kinda have to
>>691829365
Was it confirmed he was a Targaryen?
It was only confirmed he was Lyanna's son?
What if he was incest baby?
>>691833608
>Also, am I crazy or was the actor that played Arya in diguise the most attractive female on the show so far?
Agreed fam
>>691839977
You can't blame him really
Jamie's going to kill Cersei in the next season anyway.
>>691840636
It wasn't confirmed he's targaryen but it was strongly implied
>>691840856
doubt it, he loves her more than anything
>>691840856
Yeah, I think he'll fulfill the prophecy that Cersei was told, but I was hoping she'd get nuked by a dragon.
Consider the original title of the saga, too.
"A song of ice and fire"
Jon = ice
Daenerys = fire
Both targaryens, will end up together
>>691829365
>Am I the only one that thinks it has no sense how the plot around Jon being a Targaryen has no sense?
yes
>I mean, it if you kidnap one of the most valuable person in a war, you don't leave her unattended in a small tower, right?
It is not just a "Tower" but "The Tower of Joy"
>>691829365
>unattended
besides the best swordsman in the entire fucking kingdom yeah sure
>>691839977
Sansa's been educated by life enough now - she knows what Middlefinger wants and how he wants to achieve it. So she will use him a while and then get rid of him.
>>691840856
this.
then Jon will die after being poisons by the little finger. he's the game fucking mastery.
>>691840636
Not confirmed but, heavily implied since Rhaegar and her were a thing (Robert said Kidnapped, I personally think she just ran off with him based on her personality and preGOThistory)
Incest between Lyanna and who?
>>691841208
wasnt the prophecy that she will bury all her children? did i forget something?
>>691841256
but the dragon has 3 heads
>>691841464
I'm fact they were married that's why she done run off. it's in one of the flash backs you'll missed it apparently. literally you're all dumb fucks.
>>691841695
Prophecy was that she'd outlive all her children, that she'd be unseated by a younger more beautiful queen (which she thought was Margaery that's why she hated her) and that she'd be killed by her younger brother (who she assumed was tyrion, but could technically be Jaime since she was the twin born first)
>>691841464
Lyanna and Ned
>>691840636
ive had a similar theory... not of incest, but possibly Robert's son, or maybe Arthur Dayne's son (would explain Jon's amazing swordsman ability beyond just training as a Stark). Also, Targaryen's are well known for their white hair. Not saying that is concrete, but its something else.
>>691829365
All the pieces fit. Lyanna mysteriously dying (childbirth), the war lasting just under a year (enough for a kid), her being locked away far from the fighting in Dorne with 3 of the most elite fighters in the 7 kingdoms there, Ned coming home with a baby (he would never sire a bastard, honor and all that), Ned never talking about Jon's mother (terrible liar)
>>691841165
In the books he slowly grows to hate her
>>691841695
yes dragon has 3 heads thats why Jon is Ice, Daenerys is Fire and Randyll Tarly is Honey
>>691841895
The official story throughout the realm was that Rhaegar "kidnapped" Lyanna first and foremost. Dumb fuck.
>>691841165
So? My dad loved my mom more than anything too. Didn't stop him from killing her.
I guess a man can only deal with so much, at a certain point you just can't deal with their shit.
>>691842002
Lyanna has dark hair learn to genetics
How the fuck is the 3 headed dragon prophecy going to work in the show since they cut out Aegon Targaryen entirely. Right now there are 2 Targaryens. Who the fuck is the third dragon riding Targaryen in the show?
>>691842162
>Randyll Tarly is Honey
bacon... he's bacon
>>691842317
Kevin?
>>691842218
>So? My dad loved my mom more than anything too. Didn't stop him from killing her.
what? pls tell the story
>>691842163
you're an idiot that needs to pay closer attention. I can't even be added to tell you which episode since you're you're clearly low born.
>>691842310
>Who the fuck is the third dragon riding Targaryen in the show?
Bronn. It will be Bronn! He'll just use his charm on the female dragon and will seduce her
>>691842218
wtf man
>>691842310
They said Tyrion could be, since Aerys fucked Twyin's wife on their wedding night, and Tyrion's hair is much lighter than blonde in the books, but I don't like the whole "prophecy" trope personally. Cause now we're all on the look out like "OO WHO CAN IT BE"
Do you think R+L loved each other or was it kidnap and rape?
Did Lyanna and Robert ever had sex?
I had a question that maybe /b/ can help with...
Who had the stronger claim right now, Jaime (oldest male) or Cersai (oldest)? Not that Jaime is likely to challenge her, more of just a curiosity if it plays a role in the question of kingship/queenship
>>691842569
It's tyrion since he's the third targaryen. That's why the dragons didn't eat him when he released them from their chains.
>>691842487
Ok moron. I'm talking about books and the show, Lyanna being "kidnapped" started the war. L2read.
Guys what the fuck is with Howland Reed? I was expecting that he is High Sparrow and that Meera is not his daughter but Jon's sister
>>691842650
It wouldn't have been on their wedding night since tyrion is the younger child.
>>691842287
no shit and that is why i said it is not concrete. However are we to believe that all Targaryens with white hair have both parents with white hair?
learn to logic
>>691842753
Jaime I think since Tommen relived him from his Kingsguard vows.
>>691842310
Rumor is that the Mad King may have fucked Tywin's wife out of spite because he despised him as his Hand. This would make Tyrion a Targaryen and would explain the deformities, as well as his dreams of flying dragons in the books.
>>691842727
R+L loved each other Robert never fucked her
>>691841165
Valonqar.
>>691842727
That's the question. Rob loved her, but I don't think Lyanna loved him. Rob says she was kidnapped, but I think she loved Rhaegar, not him.
>>691842466
Nothing complicated, really. He just shot her.
She was a cheater, and an alcoholic. He was abusive.
I was really young, and I didn't see hit happen either. It was the middle of the night, and I was asleep.
>>691842650
>since Aerys fucked Twyin's wife on their wedding night
was that ever mentioned in the show?
>>691842650
Yes Aerys did fuck Tywins wife before Tywin. The first born children were the twins. So if any Lannisters are Targaryen bastards its Jaime and Cersei. It would explain why they are incestous and Jaime's dragon dream about his mother in the books. It also sets up Jaime for being Azor Ahai because Azor Ahai has to kill the woman he loves by stabbing her through the heart to activate the sword Lightbringer. Azor Ahai has to have Targaryen blood and be born in salt and smoke. Jon obviously wasn't born in salt and smoke as seen in the flashback.
>>691842995
Logic dictates that when two parents have different color hair the offspring may follow one parent or the other.
>>691831056
You're wrong the show is just condensed
>>691843043
I wonder if she sees him as a threat now, because she will die by younger brother
>>691843134
Na, it's a rumor in the books I believe.
>>691829365
Jon being a Targaryen has been implied since the first book, and the Tower of Joy was supposedly really well hidden and/or hard to reach.
>>691843134
Its mentioned in the books that Aerys fucked her before Tywin got the chance and its also given a reason why Tywin sacked King's Landing in Robert's Rebellion and ordered the Targaryen family slaughtered.
>>691843183
ofuck, that checks out.
>>691843245
now who needs to learn to genetics faggot
done talking to you after that retarded comment
>>691842830
I'm talking about the show which is more real than the dumb books. fuck man you're an asshat of the most legendary proportions. newfag...
>>691843001
>would explain the deformities
how? targaryens are not dwarves
>>691841346
...and the Lord Commander "The White Bull" and Oswell Whent. But show doesn't mention that.
>>691843448
Quitting cause you got rekt classy
>>691843603
Yeah, I'm a newfag cause you got it wrong. They talk about it in the crypt, Rob and Ned, literally one of the first episodes if not the first.
So Aegon is the prince that was promised in the books. Who is going to be the prince was promised in the show? I didn't see a comet flying over when Jon was born.
>>691843997
>>691843997
STANNIS
THE
MANNIS
>>691843979
It was the first episode.
>>691843838
>not understanding recessive vs dominant genes
>no understanding of basic high school level genetics
>thinking hair color is chosen one or the other
>posting memes and thinking he isnt retarded
top kek... ok kid. Maybe get off /b/ for a few hours and go pick up your science book.
>>691842830
And the history is written by whom? Exactly, the winner a.k.a Rob.
>>691842753
Why would a Lannister have a claim? The wife of the (old) king does.
>>691844081
he dead, lord of light hates him
>>691844081
STANNIS IS THE ONE TRUE KING. STANNIS WATCH - WEEK 10: STILL NO BODY. STANNIS CONFIRMED ALIVE.
>>691843979
you're a newfag cause you just had your shit trolled. notice that you're the only one responding to my shit?
>>691844210
Melisandra can resurrect people. Thoros of Myr brought back dondarrion a billion fucking times and he's not the chosen one
>>691844169
I thought you were quitting. Are you really that easy to manipulate.
>>691844210
Stannis is alive in the books and wins his battle against Ramsay as shown in a preview chapter of Winds of Winter.
>>691844338
>>691843997
Was there a star over Aegon's birth? It could obviously be Danny but then her rebirth would have had to be when she set fire to Khal Drogo. Another interesting point is that, although in the show it kind of downplays it due to the timing but in the tower of joy scene Ned puts Ser Author Daynes sword on the bed post (which WAS forged from a fallen star)
>>691844408
He's stupid for screaming but he's also right. Genetics isnt pure 50/50 based on parents
>>691844450
He may still be alive in the show as well.
>>691829365
he isn't a Targaryen, he's a Baratheon.
Lyanna was a dirty little slut
>>691844187
all the Baratheons are dead only Tyrell alive is Olenna
I think kings mother has the claim now
>>691842753
>>691843000
I was mistaken, Jaime doesnt have a claim
>>691829365
Well for starters dummy, she wasn't kidnapped. They fell in love and ran off together. Also, she wasn't exactly going to accompany him into battle, so he left her as far away from the fighting as he could with all the servants she would need.
Also, learn to read.
>>691831056
It was implied in the first few episodes of the series.
>>691844567
I know just having a bit of fun.
>>691844187
every wife of an old king is dead until you get to Cersai so i dont know what you are talking about
>>691844606
Nope that theory doesn't make sense
>>691844403
stannis was beheaded by Brienne and his body and head have been rotten by now
>>691844450
bookfag, you have been spoiled by the show, deal with it
>>691844846
Why can't anyone spell Cersei correctly?
>>691844606
No Rob was just a fuckin beta creeper who happened to turn it around, go full chad, and start a war. Wanted to fuck Lyanna and she said no, so he started a war.
if you people had bothered to read the books you wouldnt have to speculate this much.... hint: the story of ice and fire... means something?
>>691844615
what the fuck happened to Gendry? that nigga just disappeared
>>691844623
funny fact: right when that scene started I said to my wife "and now he'll jump out of the window.." and he did.
GoT got fucking predictable
>>691844975
Robert was engaged to Lyanna... And I don't think a Beta would have 12 kids with 12 different women running around either.
>>691844950
We never SAW him beheaded so we don't know for sure if he's dead
>>691844814
no you dont. thats why you posted >>691843245
stay retarded
>>691845013
Too many people trying to kill his ass, so he said fuck it. He just chills on his boat, lifts and fucks bitches all day.
>>691844846
That was my point. She has a claim coming from being the kings mother/kings wife but not from being a Lannister. Ergo, Jaime does not have claim. That was the question I referred to.
>>691845139
Ya... It really has
>>691844950
Yeah except George RR Martin himself said the show already killed off characters that he won't be killing off in his books. He has even killed a chacaracter the show has alive. Theon Greyjoy is burned to death by Stannis before his battle with Ramsay.
>>691837096
You should consider the reality of your autism. Not being able to understand facial expressions is a tell tale sign. Also, not being able to understand the obvious difference between the words king and queen shows signs of your intelectual retardation. Consider the Darwin Awards if it isn't too much to ask of your feeble mind.
>>691845139
That's been on line forever you're a poser
>>691845142
Well that's why i said he WAS beta, but when Lyanna ran off he went full rage mode, lawyered up, hit the gym and started fucking bitches.
If you anons had bothered to read the book you wouldnt have to speculate so much.. a hint: why is are the books called: a story of ice and fire?
>>691844606
Wrong, if you turn up the volume on the final tower of joy scene you can hear 80% of what Lyanna whispers into Ned's ear and it does sometyhing like "If anyone finds out its his they'll kill him, you know they will. You have to protect him, promise me ned"
If it was Roberts the whole time that would be cause for celebration on his part not a reason to cover it up.
>>691845172
I didn't post that
>>691845013
even if he is alive he doesnt have proofs that he is a baratheon, nobody will believe him
>>691845149
Well, Brienne was the one who did it, and told Melisandre and Davos she executed him... Doubt she lied.
Lll
>>691844949
it makes more sense than him being a Targaryen
>>691829365
she wasnt kidnapped though.
Jaime Lannister is going to kill Cersei.
Jaime killed the mad king because he ordered to burn them all and for him to bring tywin lannisters head.
He killed the mad king to prevent him "burning them all"
Cersei actually did "burn them all".
Jaime logically should want to kill his own sister now.
>>691845142
>And I don't think a Beta would have 12 kids with 12 different women running around either.
prostitutes, he paid them and he was rich
>>691845405
True but there was a reason we didn't see him killed there's more to the story
>>691834132
They were married in secret. that's why they ran off together.
>>691845313
Except the Lannisters were planning to marry Robert off to Cercei. If it turned out Robert had a bastard kid with Lyanna that could potentially challenge the Lannister heir's claim to the throne, they'd kill it in a heartbeat.
>>691845313
Correct. Robert was on the warpath, killing every Targaeryn he could. Which is why Oberyn was pissed off, cause Tywin had Gregor Clegane kill Elia Martell (Rhaegar's wife) and her children. Tywin then presented the bodies of her children to Robert as a sign of good faith that the Lannisters were no longer tied to the Targaeryns
>>691842310
Jaime Lannister. He and Cersei are Aerys' rape children. Thus the wincest, like all Targs.
>>691845585
screen time. Death was implied. You don't always have to show everything every time.
>>691845539
In the book maybe but in the show it'll be Arya
>>691845230
nevermind anyway, the books will never be finished so the show is cannon now
>>691845312
That could be taken multiple ways, such as R + L = J or even the fact that we now have dragons and the Night King coming full tilt
>implying she was kidnapped
>>691832707
The timeline is always a bit fucked in GoT with LF seeming to teleport around as well
>>691845611
Maybe hasn't been confirmed. He also was already married.
>>691845312
because Jon Snow is going to marry Daenerys... that much is obvious
>>691844975
Robert was Alpha as fuck. Literally the tallest most powerful nobleman in the 7 kingdoms. Used a fucking hammer faster than others could sword.
>>691845804
They wouldn't have cut that for screen time. I'm not saying he's alive there's just more to the story.
>>691845896
Rhaegar wasn't married. He was engaged to Cersei until Robert smashed his head in.
>>691845692
This was all only after the fact, the lannisters stayed neutral up until the ending of the war. They weren't thinking that far ahead, just covering their own asses.
>>691829365
>Am I the only one that thinks it has no sense how the plot around Jon being a Targaryen has no sense?
That grammar tho
>>691845390
Two hand of the kings have written down that he is a confirmed bastard of Robert. Surely that should be enough proof?
>>691845576
he probably has herpes
>>691845139
LOL, If you call something 5 seconds before it happens, it's not that predictable. it was pretty fucking obvious by that point he was gonna suicide.
>>691845817
Na, I'm guessing Martin is waiting for the show to finish so he can finish the book and give it the true ending he wants. Plus he'd make a ton more money selling a another ending to the show everyone loves.
>>691846106
Rheagar was married to Elia and had two kids with her. She and the kids were killed by the mountain.
>>691846106
Rhaegar WAS married. To Elia Martell. They had children together.
>>691845768
The big theory floating around is Tyrion was an Aerys rape kid so he will be the third head of the Dragon.
>>691845139
No shit, they were focusing on the window for a reason
>>691844450
HE didn't win shit the the preview chapter. He's camped out, fight hasn't started yet.
>>691846131
>They weren't thinking that far ahead, just covering their own asses.
yeah right, those niggers are always plotting something.
>>691842310
Rumor has it that Tyrion is a Targ by way of the mad king having his way with Twyin's (the mad kings hand at the time) wife. This is one of the main reasons Tywin left kings landing just before the war broke out, he was tired of being treated as a beta and letting the mad king fuck his bitch. Can be defended also with the scene where Tyrion asks Tywin for Casterly rock and tywin replies with "the only reason I didnt drown you was because I couldnt prove that you were not mine." Between the line reading but relevant all the same.
>>691846364
Which makes no sense because the only time its said that Aerys raped Tywin's wife was on Tywin's wedding night. 9 months later the twins were born...
>>691833608
Nephew and aunt would be a perfect coupling for both Targaryens and 4chan.
>>691846408
>No shit, they were focusing on the window for a reason
as I said - predictable
>>691846037
Rhaegar was the most Alpha
He was just walking at the streets playing music and singing and all the straight females and gay men in the kingdom were his groupies
Lyanna prefered Rhaegar over Rob even if she knew that her love would lead to war and was against Stark's Honor
>>691845013
Gendry was a plot tool for much earlier developments. He's not playing the game of thrones and has no desire to. He escaped and is probably working as a blacksmith in white harbor.
>>691846413
Are you talking about the one where Theon's sister comes and begs Stannis not to burn Theon? That is an old preview chapter.
>>691841256
the night king and his army are the ice and the dany's army with the dragons are fire.
>>691844606
This
>>691834256
No Robert was wounded from battle and this was after Ned went to kings landing
>>691845235
king is the position, queen is the title.
If you ask who will be the king of the north, an answer could be a female person.
>>691830816
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>>691831657
What's up with the retarded name spelling, do you work at starbucks you fucking inbred?
>>691846164
Jon Arryn and Ned Stark? They found out but where have they written it? They were both killed before they revealed it. Even if they had written proofs, dont you think Cersei has destroyed them?
>>691845013
He's rowing in circles around Dragonstone, keeping to his right.
>>691847113
The hand of the kings have a special book they can only access. Ned read about why Jon was investigating Gendry before he died and followed up on it to confirm it for himself. Cersei probably wouldn't know its in the book.
>>691829365
Op get a life
I AM DENERISH SHTORMBORNE. MUFFA OF DRAGONSH
>>691846860
Wrong, but I was too, Robert beats Rhaegar and then sends Ned to kings landing, he follows after the city is already taken by the Lannisters and finally then sends Ned south for Lyanna
>>691846106
But Elia of Dorne
>>691845312
Cuz ice niggers and dragons?
>>691847749
How was I wrong... That's exactly what I said
>>691829365
This Targaryen idea is a red herring and everyone is taking it.
Ser Arthur Dayne is actually his dad. Azor needs to wield the sword drawn from fire (Dawn, it was forged from a burning meteorite). This is further hinted when the camera zooms in on the pommel of the sword when Ned sets it next to Lyanna's bed.
This is also why Ned gave Dawn back to Starfall before he traveled back home. He also wanted to give Jon to Ashara, but upon learning her crush had slain her brother, she threw herself from the tower.
Eventually, Sam will discover in the library that the Others were defeated at Winterfell (winter fell, get it) when a swordsman (unnamed unfortunately) slew the "Great Other".
Bran will use his time travel powers to see where the Dayne's hid the sword after Ned gave it back (probably, I'm pretty unsure on this part.)
>What is it that breaks the night?
Dawn
>Who wields Dawn?
Only a worthy swordsman of Dayne blood.
You're welcome.
>>691846106
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Rhaegar was married. Robert was engaged to Cersei, and Robert didn't smash Rhaegar's head in, he smashed his chest in with the warhammer.
>>691848212
Robert wasn't engaged to cersie lol
>>691845139
I bet you feel like some kind of fucking genius. Hahahaha you fucking idiot..
>>691848171
Dayne wouldn't fuck Rhaegar's wife.
House Bolton is extinct.
House Baratheon is practically extinct since only 1 unrecognised bastard might be alive.
House Tyrell will be extinct soon because the only alive Tyrell now is Olenna and when she dies the House dies with her.
No Lannister has any heir.
House Targaryen officially has only 1 member left (and maybe also Jon and Tyrion?) who cant give birth to a heir.
House Stark while it was in the worst place now are in very good situation.
>>691848212
Lyanna was betrothed to Rob. Only after she died he married Cersei.
>>691848601
why not? literally everybody else has
>>691842002
Jon is Targaryen. It's all but been officially said. There would have been no reason for Robert to kill Jon other than him being Targaryen. This is why llyanna said for Ned to protect him.
>>691833608
>Also, am I crazy or was the actor that played Arya in diguise the most attractive female on the show so far?
Yes, you are - this bitch is far and away the sexiest woman in any part of the world (westeros, bravos, mereen, etc)
>>691848685
House Stark is technically extinct unless Bran can still have kids. It died with Rickon.
>>691847104
Nobody gives a fuck
>>691849109
Yeah that was my bad, didn't mean to write cersei there
>>691842310
Brandon Stark is the third dragon rider. He can warg into the dragon.
>remember he was told he wouldn't walk again but he would fly
>>691849228
Nah, Arya and Sansa can still have kids and if they marry guys from lesser Houses their kids will be Stark so they can take Winterfell.
Plus all the Northern Houses and Sansa recognised Jon as Stark.
>>691849558
>but he would fly
because he is the 3 eyed Raven, not a Dragon
>>691849558
True, if he wargs the Dragon he'll know he has to destroy the white walkers with it.
>>691849719
>implying he can't be both
You cannot be this dumb. The whole Tyrion is targ theory has no leg to stand on. Or at least in the show it doesn't.
>>691848601
That wasn't his wife. He was married. And by all accounts, Rhaegar was just as noble as Arthur was. Arthur Dayne could not joust in the tournament, so he asked his best friend to give the rose to Lyanna should he win. Lyanna wasn't just stolen by Rhaegar, she willfully left for the Tower of Joy, a hidden place fairly close to Starfall. She also was "taken" by Rhaegar AND his men. It's not like he was a thief in the night and stole her by himself. He may have been there to help his best friend be with his love.
Do you think Rhaegar would leave his pregnant crush unattended in a tower just chilling with his bros? No, he let Arthur, the best swordsman in the world, be with his future wife rather than fight with him (and it cost him is life). As for the other Kingsguard, who knows. The fact that Hightower was there makes me lean towards a command from Rhaegar because Dayne would've tried to fight everyone who came there solo.
The book has more interactions than the show about how he apparently feels about Ned and he is very sad that he has to fight him.
The Alien OG is kicking in now so I'm not a succinct as I'd like to be, but you get my drift.
How do "Little Birds" work?
If someone give to some poor children sweets they will do anything they said to them, including murder?
Anybody else give the swan dive a solid 10?
>>691849558
warging into a wolf or hodor is one thing but warging into a dragon is something else. Tyrion states that the old targaryens believed that the dragons were even smarter than men. So I don't think he will but if he does he's going to have to train a fuck ton
>>691849924
i didnt say Tyrion is the 3rd head, but Brandon cant be a Targaryen
>>691850292
Who knows, he's the 3 eyed raven now. Maybe a normal worg would die, but he might be empowered at this point.
>>691850233
can someone reverse that gif?
>>691850459
I'd say Brandon is the most powerful or will be the most powerful character on the show soon enough.
>>691850563
TOMMEN THE DRAGON
>>691850110
JON DAYNE
>>691829365
she's only considered kidnapped because she was betrothed to Robert, but for all we know she was probably very willing in leaving with Rheagar since she did have doubts about Robert since he was notorious for sleeping around.
The tower of joy was built by rheagar for Lyanna specifically to keep her safe. she had his best and most trusted knights to protect her and handmaidens to care for her.
>>691850233
I literally cheered
>>691850668
he will be like the old guy he met, he will help the fight against the WW but i dont think he will outright participate in the war, he will probably give hints for Azor Ahai and how the WW can be beaten and stuff
STANNIS IS THE ONE TRUE KING!
STANNIS IS THE ONE TRUE KING!
STANNIS IS THE ONE TRUE KING!
>>691850995
I'm so glad he's fucking dead.
>>691851033
i'm all for 34, but can we not get creepy with CP shit.
>>691850991
Yeah I think this is much more likely. I don't believe he will warg into dragons but his gift of seeing pretty much everything everywhere all throughout time is pretty fucking powerful
>>691850995
THE ONE TRUE KING!!!!!!!!!
>>691851229
"She can't come to the phone right now Jorah"
>>691850991
I think Sam Tarly will be learning about the Walker war of 1000 years prior. He will be the one to guide Jon, Dany and Brandon to victory.
>>691829365
She wasnt kidnapped. She wasnt raped. She wasnt held there against her will. She feared for her only childs safety. Get the fuck out /b/tard
>>691830517
Rhaegar wasn't planning on losing.
>>691830517
The whole fucking war started because of this chick
Do Humans really need Azor Ahai and the Lightbringer in order to defeat the White Walkers?
Aren't the 3 Dragons enough?
From what we have seen the WW and their whargs cannot fight from distance, they only fight in close combat and regular fire can kill them.
Just Danny with her 3 Dragons can easily kill them with Dragon fire from the air.
>>691851481
Sam will find out about the dragon horn and the horn that takes down the wall from the library and possibly azor stuff
>>691851573
Hence all the wyldfire under kings landing. Nigga had a backup plan.
>>691851718
Yeah I figure he will learn all about Azor Ahai at the citidel
>>691851481
yeah Sam will definitely play a big role in the war
he will learn about the old war and he will bring another valyrian steel sword
>>691829365
Daily reminder that Aegon Targayen, sixth of his name is the true King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm
>>691850154
They aren't just poor they are homeless and starving. They depend on him for their survival.
>>691852065
fuckin Sam needs to gtfo already.
>>691852148
He's dead in the show
Anybody else figuring how the fuck are they gonna end this in two more seasons? The war against the walkers should be a season by itself.
>>691851718
>the horn that takes down the wall
what?
also the dragon horn wasnt even mentioned by the new squid king he only talked about his bug cock
>>691849207
Okay more of this sandbitch
And post the goddamn pic of the presumably hottest chick so far
>>691852245
Sam is a badass. Gfy
>>691852346
Cersei is pretty vulnerable. It won't take much to defeat her.
>>691852245
he must read the books and see how the WW can be defeated first
>>691849207
any gifs from that scene?
>>691849228
Sansa... Arya...
Bran can prob still squeeze out some babyjuice
>>691852535
She literally has all of westeros coming for her. Now that her last inbred child is dead she can die now. I'm betting arya deals her the death blow.
>>691842429
yup
>>691851705
>>691851705
read this and tell me your opinion
is it just me?
>>691851705
>>691851705
I can't wait for the greyjoy bitch to eat that dragon born pussy. They both gave each other the fuck me eyes.
>>691846159
has no sense i tell you, has no sense, at all
>>691853077
Sadly, Danny is not lesbian :(
>>691852317
There's a younger one that's alive in the books coming back to Westeros.
>>691852400
The horn of Winter can bring down the wall and presumably, since Benjin said he cant get over the wall, its the only way for the army of the dead to pass it.
>>691849924
it's actually more plausible than you think, especially when you consider tywin's speeches to tyrion, particularly the one just before tyrion kills him.
So is dany going to fuck her nephew?
Where is Melisandre going?
>>691849924
Then why didn't the dragons eat him when he freed them.
>>691853566
Old age home
>>691853546
In the books she's already fucked her brother
>>691850668
Okay so bran timetravels, back to the early days before the wall was build. He wants to discover how the first men won against the white walkers the first time. Somehow get stuck there, so he becomes bran the builder. Since he is 3eyed raven now and he is in his astral projection in past his spirit is split feom his body and he can walk and is technically immortal. He ages verry slowly. He spends years training with the children of the forest, actually becoming the 3eyed raven as we see him on the show. And then he dies. That is brandens cycle
>>691853717
dragons are intelligent and knew he was helping them
RIP Pycell, you sick fuck.
>>691853717
Why don't the dragons eat the side bitch of Danny's? Idk. But Tyrion isn't targ
>>691851481
The problem with this is that we can assume the training for a master takes a long time, so it's actually a question if he will finish the training at all, especially considering he still has to take care of the girl and kid somehow. And when he finds out jon left the night's watch, how will he respond? Who knows, he might just feed information to jon via raven or whatever.
>>691853351
That's a bingo
