Why dont liberals use common sense or form logical conclusions.. I have yet to hear one vaild point out of the mouth of a libtard ... ever
>>691357198
>I've never heard one valid point
Anon, just because your covered your ears and started yelling doesn't mean they've never made any good points
Give one please.. ears are wide open
>>691357198
That's like saying why don't you go live inside a prison if you want to live somewhere with no weapons. Of course Chicago is going to be shit with or without gun control. If there were gun control in the entire country, there would still be "good" and "bad" areas, just less people with guns.
>inb4 bad guys gon get gunz if dey wants em
>>691358417
valid point, where? not here.
>>691358554
not in your stupid fucking meme either, op
valid point FOR owning guns other than hunting?
>>691358660
Personal enjoyment and investment.
>>691357198
They are against life and living. They are ideologues that mindlessly condemn humanity for technology and progress.
There is no rationality, only deception, obfuscation, and ignorance.
Living near Chicago, I know that if you tried to regulate guns on the south side you'd get shot yourself.
>>691358875
>against life and living
I thought you were talking about gun nuts for a second...
come to my state.. open carry.. concealled carry for all citizens... low crime, low murder, low theft, and blacks are not gangster assholes so muchs ... explain why..? oh right guns.. that why.. u aint stealing or raping shit when a law abiding citizen is armed
>>691359224
You probably come to a lot of incorrect conclusions
>>691358660
wow that's a lot of butt hurt. you trigger easily.
temper problems too. but I should be on a watch list.
it ain't gonna happen kid. learn a little history before you open your fool mouth.
don't bother answering. remember kid you're nothing but words on a screen.
>>691357198
Coming from the south side of Chicago and being a very staunch supporter of gun rights I can tell you that's a retarded argument.
>>691359500
that's most liberals.
>>691358660
to kill faggots like you
>>691359508
i was waiting for a point
but it never came
par for the course with you gun nuts
>>691359608
agreed
>>691359181
and how would that happen, dumbass? Do you even know what it means to regulate firearms?
>>691359322
what state? one with low poverty levels or low population? yeah.
>>691357198
I'm mainly a liberal to troll a couple of my uncles. It's funny then we all drink beer and go fishing
>>691359322
hey everyone, look at this idiot try to form sentences
>>691359508
hurr durr someone disagrees w me, they must be TRIGGWRED BAGAHSGSHSG
>>691357198
Do you want to give assault rifles to closeted self-loathing ISIS sympathizers?
>>691359669
we have an edgelord
Totally agree op, solid stuff!
>>691360098
Have they committed a crime and been found guilty? If not, yes, I will gladly allow them access to guns.
>>691359608
who said they were a liveral other than you? you know you can just be yourself, you don't have to guess how other people think and attack them for it ya know #1 Sad Man?
>>691360340
your comment literally reads "Am I a fucking idiot? You bet."
>>691360340
So, you're down with arming people who intend to commit terrorist attacks, as long as it's their first time?
>>691360098
Loaded question
nope.. one of the fastest growing cities on the east coast... lots of people..close to dc
>>691360650
you punny motherfucker...
>>691360650
uh, no it's not, that is what just happened in this country, fuck sake
I feel everybody at the age of 18 should do three months of military service. Then be put on the reserve . So that they have a basic understanding if gun saftey and control, and ban automatics if not active.
>>691360557
You cannot prove ones intentions, and even if you could, it could be entirely inconsequential to their actions
>>691358828
Both are literally "fuck off, I like guns".
Fucking Seppos need to learn a lesson from Straya and get their shit together.
>>691360805
this is basically what Switzerland does, and honestly I've heard worse ideas
>>691360805
no one needs to know how to use guns though, and that's why your idea is bad and wrong
>>691360557
Nothing in the post I responded to said anything about them planning an attack. Planning a terrorist attack is a crime, and therefore there would be grounds to arrest and deprive someone of their rights through due process. The act of attempting to get a gun after expressing thoughts that would get you on the terrorist watchlist would constitute reasonable suspicion that could prompt an investigation and arrest. What's the problem with that?
>>691360772
No, it is loaded. By trying to answer it, one would be admitting that the legalisation of guns is the same as giving guns to people... more specifically, people with malicious intent to commit a crime.
That is simply not true.
>>691359322
like fucking clockwork
>>691361029
the problem with that is that it's not how life works
>>691360827
>You cannot prove ones intentions
oh shit, I guess somebody forgot to tell our country's entire criminal legal system
>it could be entirely inconsequential to their actions
yeah, it could be. i could intend to eat a sandwich and accidentally wage jihad. but that's not real fucking likely, is it?
>>691359957
Attack his grammar and not the content. Liberal detected.
>>691361131
as long as there is no prevention in acquiring firearms, everyone has access. Who is trying to own a firearm other than conservative cucks and murderers?
>>691359957
/thread
>>691360805
Three month conscription is a waste of money.
Automatics are highly regulated.
>>691360982
You seem sheltered.
Education prevents accidents.
>>691357198
Because you haven't been listening. Liberals are, and have always been, the way of the future. We have never lost when taking on a cause.
The only reason you can still have guns is because we have allowed it. But our patience with your Draconian ways is wearing thin.
If we decide to take your guns away, make no mistake, you will lose them.
>>691357198
>I have yet to hear one valid point...
>>691358417
>>bad guys gon get gunz if dey wants em
that was the only valid point you made
>>691358660
>valid point for guns
>implying you need a reason
Recreation, self defense, because people can
>691360805
>So that they have a basic understanding if gun safety and control
You don't need 3 months of service to learn how to use a pistol or an AR-15. Children are capable of doing it and not being idiots with the weapon.
>Ban automatics
SHALL
>>691357198
how about people like you use common sense
those laws are only in place in cook county
are you actually implying it is hard to carry a firearm across county lines? How retarded can you gun faggots be?
If it applies to the country, as oppose to a county, it would actually be enforceable. Maybe you should try to use some of the logic you speak of
>>691361249
>citing the legal system as a defense to your argument yet tactfully excluding the most important part
"beyond a reasonable doubt"
>>691358660
>Additional check and balance against outright tyranny.
>Self defense.
>Recreation.
>>691361391
oh golly gee those darn liberals and their different opinions, I should attack them online because I can't grasp the fact that not everyone is the same as me :^(
>>691360892
Then the same can be said about muscle cars, you don't need a corvette that has 650 hp and can go 180 mph. Everyone should be driving Honda civics.
Also investment is absolutely a legit purpose I have made 100% profit on guns that cost over $1000 in less than 2 months. show me another investment that has that kind return with almost zero risk. Because if I buy a rifle for $1200 it turns out two weeks from now it is going to be worth the same price not vanish into smoke like that can happen in the stock market.
>>691361436
mass murder isn't an accident you stupid fuck
>>691361029
if all you care about is punishing someone after a crime is committed, sure. but some people think that preventing gun violence is something worth attempting.
you want due process? how about a hearing before a magistrate before any gun purchase?
>>691361391
iudex non calculat
>>691360982
Thanks for telling the rest of us what we "need". Fucking liberal nanny. It's pussy faggots line you that are ruining my country and pussifying our men.
>>691358875
>Codemn technology and progress
How so?
ok besides guns.. what other loads of shit do liberals gift to the world..?
>>691359895
The one with low nigger population
>>691361452
>But our patience with your Draconian ways is wearing thin.
>If we decide to take your guns away, make no mistake, you will lose them.
>>691361710
they're machines made for killing, if that's how you experience recreation, you should be put down
>>691361863
three logical errors
>>691361724
Different opinions? That cuck disagreed with dudes opinion but couldn't articulate a real argument so he attacked the man's grammar. Utter faggotry
>>691361929
By supporting the restriction of technology, they limit progress.
>>691361748
"I made so much money selling killing machines" fuck off Trump
>>691357198
Yeah, like the criminals in cities or states with stricter gun control cant just get their guns from other nearby cities and states that don't.
As long as there isn't universally strict gun control then manufacturers and distributors will be creating and working with bulk supplies, and as long as that happens guns when be easy to get no matter what; BUT ONLY SO LONG AS THAT HAPPENS!
>>691361192
I don't think you understand what that curve means
>>691357198
SOMEBODY's grown up on no news but FOX news and doesn't read books...
>>691361600
what does the level of proof required have to do with anything? you stated that proof was flatly impossible. our legal system operates on the assumption that it is.
>>691361452
Safety first. A civil war might go differently than you expect.
>>691361863
edgelord detected
do you main reaper, buddy?
>>691357198
Because it borders Indiana which is where the guns come from.....
>>691362221
Exactly. If not for the constant stream of new weapons coming to market, the old guns already on the market would become much more valuable and difficult for crackheads and the mentally ill to obtain on the black market. Also, the police would gradually weed those guns off the street over time as well, with no influx of new guns coming in.
>>691362131
I'm sure you also sit on the street corners hearing everything the homeless have to say about congress, right? Why should I have to listen to someone without the mental capacity to make a statement. Fuck you.
>>691362205
The same thing could be said to a car salesman. look at the fatalities on American roadways vice gun violence.
>>691362398
I don't understand you, man
>>691362518
it's not the mentally ill carrying out shootings you realize? It's the hateful. And you guys sit on this fucking board all day encouraging the shit. I hope you at least feel somewhat responsible for what you're doing to innocent people all over this country due to your own insecurities.
I don't want people to have access to an object that can easily kill people due to their own negligence/anger issues/ignorance.
Especially an object that in reality is a luxury item or a hobby, and by no means a necessity.
Only people I support having guns are farmers to eliminate pest/protection due to lack of prompt access to services, and even then it should just be bolt action.
The idea of justifying shit like AR-15s for the average suburban family is idiotic.
The counter argument of: "more good guys with guns will stop bad guys with guns" is obviously proven at this point to be untrue, especially when you consider most household firearm homicides are by family members onto family members.
Also when you consider the majority of gun related fatalities are suicide.
I don't understand how you could want to live in a country where you could go out, get in a mild verbal confrontation with some drunk asshole, who will then go out to their car and produce their firearm and return and shoot you due to being drunk/aggressive/stupid.
>>691357905
Found the self-loathing White cuckold who dreams of sucking 1000 nigger dicks after they've been up his Mother's ass (Cause that's the only woman that he knows)
Nope im a libertarian.. sorry.. i dont have cable or satallite..just netflix ..
>>691362701
Overwatch character reference
>>691362581
Just look at the content and counter the argument if you can. Grammar is meaningless in a gun control debate. It doesn't further the conversation to pick apart someone's worrying ability. Pick apart the argument, if you can....
>>691362518
Well no shit. Australia had at least damn near as many guns when they passed gun reform in the 90's. Didn't take them 3-4 years to get them off the street once the influx stopped. With the exception of some russian import AK's here and there, every gun on the street today was once legally purchased.
>>691362856
found another edgelord in this thread, jeez
>>691362938
fuck off you're boring me and off topic
>>691358660
To protect against a government takeover/ keep the government from going full communist and taking away our rights by force. That's why the second amendment was made. And to squash your whole 'it wuz made wen muskits n swrds were the only wepns' argument, civilians were armed with the same weapons the MILITARY used. So with that being the case, we should all be allowed to own fully automatic rifles and, with regulations,tanks/other armor. Obviously there should be some sort of background check to keep them out of criminal hands, but the US is NEVER EVER EVER going to revoke the 2nd amendment and take our guns away. tl;dr keep guns to fight off a corrupt government.
>>691362888
Get a life,kid
>>691362176
In what ways are democrats restricting technology?
>>691363067
you think you can control the govenment with guns? ???? hahahahahahahahahahah, they're fucking you every day, why don't you do something about it?
>libtard
you live a pathetic minimal existence.
>>691363065
Lol ok sperg. Enjoy your Gender studies courses.
>>691362068
Wow you are a dumb piece of human shit
>>691361710
This, we have the right to bear arms in order to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, not that we would be able to do so anyway.
>>691361452
Lost a Sanders primary.
We still have free speech.
We still aren't under sharia law.
We aren't a socialist nightmare.
We still have the second amendment.
We still have capitalism.
We still have religious rights.
We still have private schools.
We can still own property.
We can still deny unions.
We still have capital punishment.
We still have a free market.
We still have technology.
We can still hunt animals.
Just because there is a bipartisan cultural shift that makes sense does not in any way mean your psychotic idealism wins anything.
>>691362247
the sheer arrogance and presumptions and lack of an argument is really amazing with this post, I assume you're under 18.
You must get your views from John Oliver or the other libtard comedians and think every conservative must be braiwashed by Fox News, I mean no one could really have an opinion, based on facts and evidence on Gun Control, I mean it's the (((current year))) goym
>>691363231
You kinda missed the point, buddy. Get a little range time. Practice makes perfect
>>691363101
>someone who plays vidya has no life
>someone who argues on 4chan does
sure, man. pretend you're somehow superior to anyone on this board
>>691362861
That's so sad... not the no cable or satellite part because they suck, but netflix? I feel so sorry for you. I wish we lived in a better world where you could afford to just buy shows and movies on Amazon Instant. I spent about 200 dollars a month there, and I feel so guilty about my good fortune every time I hear about people using netflix.
>>691363067
Also, give me one good reason that we shouldn't have guns without involving mass shootings or muh feels
>libtard
Why do conservatives have such a hard time expressing their opinions without resulting to childish name calling?
>INB4 "you're what's wrong with this >country"
>>691360805
the headphones tho
>>691360935
RIP Chuck
>>691363253
enjoy male ass for your entire life
>>691363497
Nah, i just troll morons like you in between my job and family life.
>>691363271
that's inaccurate, reread my comment and try to focus on the words
>>691362068
You might not know what a gun is.
>>691361459
>Underrated post and shit
>>691357198
>I have yet to hear one vaild point out of the mouth of a libtard ... ever
You've heard them, you're just too stupid to be able to comprehend them.
I own a double barrel shotgun that I use once or twice a year to shoot clay disks in the air. Remind me again, how I'm such a fucking terrible threat to society.
>>691363404
I would never do that because I'm not pro-murder
>>691363719
so you shit on other people as your sole means of recreation?
holy shit, your "job and family life" must be incredibly rewarding
>>691363862
hurr durr great comment fuckface
>>691361823
Who said anything about mass murder? You want to prevent gun deaths?
>in the USA there are approximately 33,000 annual gun deaths, suicides account for the bulk of these at ~21k, ~11k homicides, largely gang or drug related, with around ~1000 accidental or undetermined fatalities making up the remainder
>end drug prohibition and make meaningful attempts to combat gangs and the violence they create
>improve mental health care and stigmatize seeking out suicide prevention
>educate children on what to do when their dispshit friend tries to show off the weapon his irresponsible parents left out
In any case, mass shootings account for very few deaths. Depriving an entire nation of a basic human right and a civil right over a pittance of deaths is nonsensical. If you want to make a meaningful change here, ask your congresspeople to stop fucking around with gun control and look at areas that actually desperately need their attention: the education system, the judicial and prison systems, and the healthcare system, mental healthcare in particular. Gun control has been a proven failure, again and again, it's time to move on.
>>691362068
>that response
Shouldn't you be on reddit crying about brexit?
There's a large number of things I enjoy about firearms not limited to but including their history, their engineering and the mechanical peculiarities of various designs, the discipline of learning to use them well and do so safely. I'll fully admit I enjoy the noise and notion of using a controlled explosion to propel a chunk of metal downrange and hit something but it's hardly all about the violence. The science and math behind it is fairly interesting as well.
>>691363295
I wouldn't underestimate how bad an American insurgency could get even if we only saw the historical figure of 3% acting or supporting it. That would still be over 3 million individuals. Let's hope it never comes to it, civil wars are an ugly a factor greater than conventional warfare.
>>691357198
because genetically they are emotionally driven people
people who think emotionally rather than logically are predisposed to be liberals, it's science bitch.
>>691363916
you have a big stick designed for murdering people, gotchu baws
>>691363312
Clearly you don't know the difference between a liberal and a communist. It's ok, most of you don't.
>>691363231
The point isn't to overthrow the CURRENT government, but to overthrow a totalitarian rule or a communist power shift.
>>691362274
Because that loaded question forces its answerer to assume that intent is malicious, and I'm saying that malicious intent can't always be proven beyond a reasonable doubt... your solution to this problem is taking away a right, as if that would change a terrorists intent.
When you're dealing with humans, you will always be dealing with violence, murder, and war. It is this naive denial of reality that is the reason why the only way a liberal ideologue could ever be satisfied is if humanity ceased to exist. Instead of accepting reality, you'd rather waste time, energy, and resources to enact laws that are intendedto shelter us from our very own nature.
>>691361748
Underrated light
>>691363295
>>691363916
hey those clay discs have a family that rely on them you senseless murderer
>>691362829
>easily kill people due to their own negligence/anger issues/ignorance
Ban knives too, I guess
>luxury item
No, it's not
>Necessity
Not a matter of need. It's a matter of right. If someone wants a gun for protection, they can
>Ar-15
It's not different than other semi-autos. Banning it would mean banning Ruger 10/22 etc, which isn't viewed as deadly by the media because it doesn't look super tactical
>suicide
And? People get depressed and kill themselves. They also jump off bridges, into trains, OD, cut themselves, hang themselves. Suicide isn't a good point for gun control
>drunk/aggressive
You're acting as if every gun owner is a retarded hillbilly who keeps a loaded shotgun in his pickup truck right next to the six pack of beer -ready to kill anyone. Not the case.
>>691364036
Thanks, it is more accurate than yours.
>>691359669
There you see ti everyone, the REAL reason gun nuts love their guns so much, they're all a bunch of psychopath wannabes, too cowardly even to go and kill perfectly helpless strangers, so nursing their love of their heroes and just attacking people on the internet
>>691364134
Um, you've got that backwards
>>691364134
Google "angry Trump supporter." Are they all liberals in disguise?
>>691363295
>>691364126
To any other naysayers prattling about
>drones
>you rednecks can't kill drones
>ect
I own guns, love them, and I think anyone who wants them should also own them.
However, I feel that there would be nothing wrong with adding mental health history to background checks. I also think it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to make required classes for gun owners (gun safety, but mandatory.) And given that there's a lot of responsible gun owners here I'd say it's safe that we'd all pass both of those.
>>691363581
>Why do conservatives have such a hard time expressing their opinions without resulting to childish name calling?
>liberals don't name call and are innocent
WEW LAD
>>691364348
r|K selection bitch
>>691364178
Implying they are different these days. This isn't the 90s.
>>691363961
Lol. Cry about it
>>691364261
> Ban knives too, I guess
Yes, in many countries it is illegal to carry a blade.
> No, it's not
They are, prove how it is integral to your life or don't bother replying with this point again. Hint: your constitution bullshit doesn't equal necessity. It's just a right you are given.
> It's not different than other semi-autos. Banning it would mean banning Ruger 10/22 etc, which isn't viewed as deadly by the media because it doesn't look super tactical
My point is ban all firearms other than bolt actions for people who actually have legitimate reasons to own/operate one.
> And? People get depressed and kill themselves. They also jump off bridges, into trains, OD, cut themselves, hang themselves. Suicide isn't a good point for gun control
Learn to read, why I provided this point is provided in the paragraph immediately above that point.
> You're acting as if every gun owner is a retarded hillbilly who keeps a loaded shotgun in his pickup truck right next to the six pack of beer -ready to kill anyone. Not the case.
Only takes 1.
>>691364182
Better hope that government has a way shittier military than the current one
>>691364126
>3%
>3 million
>thinking there are 100mil people in usa
>conservatives
>>691364479
Yeah, that's what I said.
>>691363344
I assume you're under 18.
Over fifty, And from the south side of Chicago
>sheer arrogance and presumptions
says the same voice that says:
>I have yet to hear one vaild point out of the mouth of a libtard
Rock on
>>691364189
>I'm saying that malicious intent can't always be proven beyond a reasonable doubt
only in every successful murder prosecution
>your solution to this problem is taking away a right, as if that would change a terrorists intent.
we aren't changing intent. we are decreasing the ease of executing the behavior. and we have the right to "bear arms", but that could be anything from a pointy stick to an attack helicopter. some advocate that the line for civilians be drawn somewhere short of military-grade weapons
>you'd rather waste time, energy, and resources to enact laws that are intendedto shelter us from our very own nature.
you just argued away the need for murder laws
>>691357198
The only kind of gun control that would have worked to prevent the faggot shooting would be the kind that is specifically prohibited by the 2nd amendment. You can prevent insane people from doing insane things with a law
>>691364725
Anyone who holds the belief that banning anything is a good idea is capitalistic materialist jew swine following a false ideology that teaches humanism and altruistic sacrifice at the behest of greater society
its 2016, grow up
>>691364813
If the US decided to take away the constitution or something stupid, people would go apeshit. Imagine having hundreds of millions of people all with a gun going against even the american armed forces. The government would be fucking overrun within months.
>>691364865
Conservative here. I'm not under the impression that there are 100 million people in America.
>where is your god now faggot
>>691364865
Sorry I guess I edited poorly when I hit the character limit. IIRC, of the 3% engaged in activities supporting the rebellion only around 1/3 were active combatants, the others offered support in other manners, material support, logistics, ect.
>>691365143
Strong stance for a man who has probably never experienced violence once in his entire life.
>>691365082
>can
Can't
ftfy
>>691365211
>imagine
Hope you're stockpiling weapons for the people's revolution, anon.
>>691364673
it sounds like you are probably the one crying inside. let the tears out buddy. don't ride away from your feelies wearing those heelies
To anyone who thinks that the second amendment just says "Keep ur guns people can't take em lol", read what it actually says.
>>691359322
Wyoming?
Liberals will always be complaining about guns. They have a right to. There is nothing conservatives can do about it. If you ban the right to complain, complaints will be whispered.
Conservatives will always own guns. They have a right to. There is nothing liberals can do about it. If you ban guns, guns will be illegally owned and regulated.
It's like you guys WANT to be offended.
>>691357198
>Libtard here
>Common Sense
>Form Logical Conclusion
Liberal. Conservative.
Like it even matters. We all die in the end.
>A valid point
>>691364725
>prove how it is integral to your life
It's not. A fire extinguisher isn't integral to my life, but I have it in case of a fire. A gun isn't integral to my life, but I have it in case I need it.
>right you are given
It's not given. It's protected, moron
>ban all firearms
Good luck taking all the guns away from criminals and the millions of gun owners across the US.
I know you don't think you are responsible for your own safety and think butter knives are too dangerous for the public, but other people actually have a backbone
>legit reason
Such as? Is self-defense not a valid reason to you?
>suicide still isn't a valid point for banning weapons
>only takes 1
>OMG if one is like that, then they are all like that. ban guns!!! XD
>>691357198
I think we should start small. Lets get rid of the more dangerous guns like semi-automatic rifle (machine guns). No one needs a gun that fires that many bullets in a minute. The only reason someone would ever want to use that type a weapon is to kill a large number of targets (you're average school shooter).
>>691365528
Nice bait faggot. Try again.
>>691365058
After the murder is much different than before it, which is what that question (and anti-gun people in general) suggests
murder laws don't prevent murderers from committing murders, they only convict the murderers to their sentence afterwards. We know what to do with murderers, we don't need laws to tell us that.
>>691364865
actually the number would be around 9.5 million according to estimates the us pop is around 322 million
>>691365452
But that's the problem, we can't if liberals keep banning guns because they feel scared. If you're scared of people with guns, get a gun and do some defense courses.
The lack of common sense I've seen in this thread is mind boggling.
>>691357198
Today is just Logical Fallacy day.
Either people actually commit logical fallacies or people are using them in a perfectly timed manner to piss a lot of stupid kids off practicing their political activism and speech to impress those girls at school they think are smart when I can almost promise you the chances of finding a qt3.14 who cares about anything anon has to say is less than the global understanding of percentages.
After anonymous is covered on the news anonymous still actually thinks anything having to do with anything serious is merit approved anonymous material and this is why /b/ is failing and being taken over by pretty fucbois and 'reply to this post' style glamor fags who play on their phones at dinner and in public while taking 'selfies' and record 'artisits' on their phones instead of actually immersing themselves in life and yet sell what they have on their phones off as living life and hates make me famous and keep calm and ____ fucking losers.
You just pass page one and quick reply to each post with something beyond stupid and kill a perfectly good thread
>>691358660
To shoot niggers who break in my house.:/
>>691365772
>I feel sad because a minor took his daddies gun.
>>691365853
>After the murder is much different than before
in what way are the murderer's intentions that led to the murder different before vs. after? they occur at a moment in time before the murder. they don't get cosmically retconned after the crime
>murder laws don't prevent murderers from committing murders
so, if we legalized murder, it wouldn't result in more deaths?
>>691365696
> It's not. A fire extinguisher isn't integral to my life, but I have it in case of a fire. A gun isn't integral to my life, but I have it in case I need it.
Ok you just surrendered this point while trying to make some gymnastics level intellectualisation and failing.
> It's not given. It's protected, moron
Semantics.
> Good luck taking all the guns away from criminals and the millions of gun owners across the US.
Notice how countries with tighter gun control actually have less gun related crime. Maybe that's because restriction firearms reduces the amount of guns available.
> I know you don't think you are responsible for your own safety and think butter knives are too dangerous for the public, but other people actually have a backbone
It's precisely why I am responsible for my own personal security is why I don't want neckbeards on /4/ chan having access to a weapon that can kill somebody by depressing a trigger. You're too stupid, you're too sheltered, you haven o experience, you only own it as a psuedo-hobby.
It's YOU I specifically don't want to have access to a life ender.
> Such as? Is self-defense not a valid reason to you?
Like I said if this were true the gun statistics wouldn't show the majority of household firearms being used for: 1. family on family violence 2. suicide.
It's a false point thats perptuated incessantly by people clamoring for any reason to legitimize guns. The mythical idea of you the 350lb /b/ browser stopping a robbery in progress, cheeto stains on your shirt, you pull your CC and blow the perp away and then lose your virginity to the store clerk is NEVER going to happen.
> >suicide still isn't a valid point for banning weapons
Still have no reading comprehension.
If quality of your response doesn't improve significantly next reply not engaging with you again.
>>691365820
Lol google it for yourself dumbass.
>>691365772
>Lets get rid of the more dangerous guns like semi-automatic rifle (machine guns)
A semi-auto isn't a machine gun. They are already highly regulated. Most crime and shootings are done with pistols, revolvers, etc
>>691357198
Agree
Why want gov to "control" anything else?
>>691365999
I guess it depends on where you live. I live in walking distance of three gun shops. There are more regulations to get a liquor licesnce (must have majority of sales must be food if you want to sell beer in your restaurant )in my town than to buy a gun.
>>691366356
kik me at dyingtolive86 if you want to continue, gotta run
Hey guys guess what I'm doing tomorrow. I'm going down to my local Frontier Firearms and dropping $1200 on a brand spanking new Colt Ar-15. Why? Because I can. Because I want it, and just because you liberals don't want me to have it. See here's a saying you liberals should learn. Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.
>>691365528
they know what it means, they just want to get rid of it dumbass
>>691366495
>Being this retarded
Almost all of them involved an AR15 kek
>>691366779
>kik me at dyingtolive86
>>691366796
Kek.
>>691357198
If you own anything other than a handgun or a rifle it's just cringey as fuck...
I know it can be a 'hobby' and shit, but in all honesty why do you need a one step down from a military grade weapon?
And people say "THE GOVMENT IS GON TAKE AWAY MUH FREEDOM I NEED MUH BIG GUN!"
Really, if they wanted to, they would, the US government is so powerful it can sweep any city in the US in a single night.
>>691366796
As a liberal, I would suggest getting a vertical grip to go with it if it's not already included. It really helps with recoil stability.
((Jewgle)) is pushing their agenda with another propaganda video, but this time they decided to censor all comments from the beginning. You don't have to watch the dreadful thing, just remember to give it a downvote>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oDLqmM2BPw
>>691366384
>>691366356
>>691365696
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>>691360805
Except you, you're a fucking fag and need to spend more time with a father who actually fought in a war.
>>691366519
That's actually pretty cool. I want to live where you live now.
>>691367092
There liberals go again, violating our first amendment, amirite?
>>691366495
>Most crime and shootings are done with pistols, revolvers, etc
BULL FUCKING SHIT
>>691357198
What is happening on the south side of Chicago???
>>691367127
que
>>691366942
A total number of mass shootings involving the AR-15 is unavailable. We can, however, consider mass shootings since 2004, when the 1994 assault weapons ban ended. That's because Mother Jones has tracked them by location, date, fatalities, wounded, and type of weapon. Of the 48 total mass shootings since 2004, 13 featured semiautomatic or assault rifles. Six of those, though, were from 2015 and 2016 alone. It seems these types of rifles are becoming the weapon of choice — you should note, though, that they were not all AR-15s."
-bustle, on a pro gun control article.
>Almost all of them involved an AR-15
>>691365528
>Shall not be infringed
>hurrdurr it says regulated so we can ban them
no dumbfuck, "well regulated" means "well functioning".
>>691367236
Have you ever read the crime reports from a city? Nignogs use handguns because they can be easily concealed and they commit the majority of gun crimes.
>>691357198
I want gun control to make sure no one is able to buy military grade weapons and so that there are background checks on everyone buying guns. Seems pretty common sense to me. The only way you'd be against it if if, say... All the news you consume is sponsored by the gun manufacturers.
>>691367466
how well functioning is our militia these days?
>>691367391
>Quoting someone else to provide evidence for you
So is it nice having other people think for you? You fucking sheep?
>>691357198
Yes because they make their own guns on the south side of Detroit. It's not like they come from places where stupid hicks sell guns with no control.
>>691367466
Did the founding fathers tell you that?
>>691366384
>Ok you just surrendered this point while trying to make some gymnastics level intellectualisation and failing
Great point. Really discounted what I said there
>less gun related crime
But what the overall crime rate?
>not responsible for own safety
So, you're saying the police is there to protect you? The ONLY responsibility of cops is to enforce the law, NOT protect the individual. Owning a gun gives me that ability. I'm not going to take my gun a find you just to kill you, dipshit. I have it in the case I need it (home invasion).Most likely won't happen, but it can, so it's better to be prepared
>family on family
Idiots being idiots. People do stupid shit all the time with dangerous objects. This is nothing new, and I'm not responsible for what happened, so taking guns away from all law-abiding people makes no fucking sense
>suicide
Again, guns don't make people depressed and commit suicide. It's a mental issue that won't go away, and taking guns away from people who aren't suicidal also makes no sense
>virgin, cheetos
Nice Ad hom, timmy
>>691365528
you must have a reading comprehension level of a 3 year old
>>691366384
>It's precisely why I am responsible for my own personal security is why I don't want neckbeards on /4/ chan having access to a weapon that can kill somebody by depressing a trigger.
>claims to take responsibility for own safety
>insists that someone else take away everyone else's guns (probably at gunpoint) because he's too much of a pussy to
>>691367611
As opposed to what, making up your own statistics?
>>691367663
kek'd
>>691367236
>BULL FUCKING SHIT
>being this stupid
Pistols are cheap, easy to use, easy to conceal, and easy to get illegally. Most gang on gang violence is done with pistols and small arms, retard
>>691366384
>>691366942
>Almost all of them involved an AR15 kek
>trying this hard
There's your (you)
I am an unstable mentally ill person and I want my guns.
>>691357198
cuz that doesnt fix the problem.
If u want freedom so much, why wont u just move to uganda and be a drug cartel boss with all the guns u can carry?
>>691365603
I just try to steer people in the right direction and hope even a few will realize how silly gun control is when there are only <13,000 homicides or accidents annually, a figure which has decreased by percentage consistently since we have bothered to keep track of it. Every time we make our society better that number decreases but depriving citizens of their innate human right to self defense and to the tools of self defense, both from the state and other individuals is not a step forward.
To put it in perspective:
> Heart disease: 614,348
> Cancer: 591,699
> Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
> Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
> Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
> Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
> Diabetes: 76,488
> Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,227
> Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 48,146
> Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773 (50% of these are performed with a firearm for honesty's sake)
More people die of hugely preventable causes, and no one gives a fuck. Car accidents claim 33,000 people a year, 3 times as many as are murdered with firearms. 40,000 die yearly as a result of medical malpractice or hospital errors. 100,000 die as a result of prescription drugs annually.
While congress bemoaned 50 people dying from firearms during their filibuster, 66% of those were suicides. 27 were murdered, overwhelmingly gang members or by gang members. You can figure out approximately how many other people died during that time frame of preventable causes with some basic math, things we should actually be doing something about.
>>691367491
>thinking guns crimes are worst that mass shootings
>>691367611
>Uses statistics to validate point.
>gets called a sheep.
Shit i'm about to abandon the democratic party for good at this point.
>I live on the south side of chicago
>Lifelong republican.
>Supporter of second amendment.
>Gun owner (chicago ban on guns ended a couple years ago, fyi)
AR-15's should not be in anyone's home. Nobody needs an AR-15 or other similar assault weapon. Period.
>>691368288
Murder is murder. Innocent people get killed all the time in major cities where the weapon of choice is a hand gun.
>>691368288
More stats and less huff post, pinko.
>>691363067
You know the Supreme Court just demolished some of your 4th amendment rights. Did guns prevent that?
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>>691368535
>no one should have the most effective available weapon for self defense because I say so
>im a gun owner, no really
>>691367720
> Great point. Really discounted what I said there
If the big words threw you off don't worry about it. In your effort to counter my point you accidentally ended up surrendering your initial point. You contradicted yourself. That's all.
> But what the overall crime rate?
What's your point, the USA is literally a crime capital of the world.
Compare to ANY country in the Commonwealth who exercise extreme gun/knife control you're basically a 3rd world nation in regards to how much illegal activity occurs in your country. ESPECIALLY violent crime with weapons.
Compared to any country in Asia as well.
Sure you may not be as bad as e.g. South American countries but compared to other 1st world countries you may as well be 3rd world relatively.
Like what the fuck could you HOPE to achieve with this point.
> So, you're saying the police is there to protect you? The ONLY responsibility of cops is to enforce the law, NOT protect the individual. Owning a gun gives me that ability
This is you de-railing into some political rant, I don't really care about your perspective on cops not helping people, cops just kill innocents, etc.
> Idiots being idiots. People do stupid shit all the time with dangerous objects. This is nothing new, and I'm not responsible for what happened, so taking guns away from all law-abiding people makes no fucking sense
This isn't a counter argument to what I put forward.
My point = statistically household private firearms are used to kill family members or commit suicide more than anything else.
Your point = but people are stupid and that's not fair because I wouldn't do that.
> Again, guns don't make people depressed and commit suicide. It's a mental issue that won't go away, and taking guns away from people who aren't suicidal also makes no sense
Again, you still don't understand what my point was in my first post, please stop trying to misrepresent what I said. Thank you.
>>691367491
You stupid racist bitch. I hope you and everyone you love in life get aids.
Praise your news overlords and obey your adults and elderly who teach you it's okay to hate someone because they're different than you.
>they commit the majority of gun crimes
>doesn't know what a military is
>doesn't know what population is
ar 15 is a sporting rifle bud.. nobody said assult but u
>>691369016
Kek
>>691366942
Rifles are the least used type of firearm for murder. That is a fact.
Sauce:
FBI expanded homicide data table 8
>>691369016
I agree with you.
>>691369303
the inventor of the AR15, Eugene Stoner, specifically intended it for exclusive military use. sorry, bud
Once again.. other than guns.. what else does a liberal bring to the table..?
>>691368288
Mass shootings are a small % of overall gun deaths. As many people die from mass shootings as die from bee stings every year.
>>691357198
>logic
>conservatives
Pick one, fucker.
>>691368794
>if you have an outstanding warrant and are stopped, any evidence the police find after you let them search your vehicle (which you let them for some reason) can be used in court even though there was no valid reason for the stop
DEMOLISHED lol
[spoiler]im not a nigger, addict or thief so this will literally never affect me
>>691369721
#freethenipple
>>691369691
*Citation needed
>>691365528
I feel this entire point is null and void since this well regulated malitia that is supposed to be fighting a tyrannical government is letting the same government to collect meta data on all citizens at all times.
Tyranny comes in the smallest ways.
>>691368850
>>691369846
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/16/family-of-ar-15-inventor-eugene-stoner-he-didnt-intend-it-for-civilians.html
if i use it for sport and i dont ever kill..? how is it a killer gun if it never kills.. for now its just prevention.. a hammer can kill.. but untill it does .. its just a tool
>>691369846
You're on the Internet. Look it up? Fag.
>>691368833
AR-15 is not a good weapon for use in your average home invasion with small rooms and hallways.
Best bet is a 12-gauge or a 9mm
>>691368850
Firearms are the #1 method of suicide in the USA
#2 is using car exhaust.
Honest question. Why are firearm suicides filed under general firearm deaths but car exhaust suicides not considered automotive related death?
>>691365211
That is happening slowly over time. People do not resist as much if it is normalized. Most people carry personal tracking devices of their own free will, and the government mines information from them without warrants.
The right of the people to remain secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or things to be seized.
And the government is issuing blanket warrants through secret courts, and calling anyone who tries to inform the public a traitor. The Obama administration even bragged about pressing charges against twice as many whistleblowers as other presidencies combined.
I do believe that an armed population is necessary to keep the government in line, but that does not work if the citizens are not informed.
>>691370007
His liberal family says something long after he is dead. No primary source to support your argument.
Your source is mainstream media bullshit.
>>691357905
ahahah rekd
>>691368850
>If the big words threw you off don't worry about it.
>pseudo-intellectual spotted
Big words and Ad hominem don't mean a valid point, dipshit, which yours wasn't. It wasn't even a point
>3rd world
The US has a MUCH larger population and vastly different demographics, mainly blacks, who disproportionately commit most of the crime in the US. Take all black on black violence away, and the crime rate is low.
Secondly, most EU countries are becoming 3rd world shitholes due to the influx of Muslims. You guys barely have enough resources to go around KEK
>cops just kill innocents
Okay. So you're banning guns AND slandering police? Your safety needs to come from somewhere, and it's best when you can protect yourself i.e have a fucking gun, because the cops aren't there to protect you, just the law and order
>this isn't a counter arg
It is. What you said is like saying "People DUI and have road rage. Therefore, we should ban cars"
People do stupid shit with guns. Parents don''t teach their kids how to use them or put the guns in a safe. That isn't MY responsibility so MY guns shouldn't be taken away
>misreprsesnt
Then explain it again
>>691370185
Probably in the fine print as to what criteria needs to be met for something to be a MVA related death.
Is there even a category called Automotive Related Death?
I believe it's just MVA, in which case suicide via car exhaust wouldn't fit the criteria to be considered a MVA related death?
Sounds like it's an oversight or something that falls between the cracks of several categories.
Hood job citing sources guys. Anyway, fuck all liberal cucks, gun control would not work because F
From 1991 to 1997 alone, the percent of State inmates with guns who acquired them at a retail outlet fell from 21% to 14%. It is now currently about 11%. Official government study. Increasing gun control would not take away the bad guy's guns, but instead decrease our defense.
http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf
>>691359775
Yeah logic and sense while you progresscucks bring nothing butt feeling into it
>>691357198
If noone had guns then we wouldn't need guns.
Oh wait, it's 2016
>>691370626
This
>>691370007
>>691369691
Pretty irrelevant considering gas or recoil operated firearms had become pretty standard by that time and the lever action, bolt action, and pump action had all been designed for and adopted by militaries. It's a very moot point to say Stoner had designed it for the military. Kind of a 'duh' if you know anything about Armalite.
>>691370415
> Big words and Ad hominem don't mean a valid point, dipshit, which yours wasn't. It wasn't even a point
Your first point = its a necessity
Your next post = it's not a necessity, BUT.
Aka you contradicted yourself and surrendered your own point.
> The US has a MUCH larger population and vastly different demographics, mainly blacks, who disproportionately commit most of the crime in the US. Take all black on black violence away, and the crime rate is low.
Secondly, most EU countries are becoming 3rd world shitholes due to the influx of Muslims. You guys barely have enough resources to go around KEK
Do you actually think this is an arguement? Jj--j-just remove an entire racial group from our population and then you'll see!
Are they American citizens? Then they are American statistics.
> It is. What you said is like saying "People DUI and have road rage. Therefore, we should ban cars" People do stupid shit with guns. Parents don''t teach their kids how to use them or put the guns in a safe. That isn't MY responsibility so MY guns shouldn't be taken away
Because my first point = the idea that guns are used for self-defence is a falsehood, statistically private guns are used for 1. killing family members 2. suicide.
You are addressing a point that wasn't mine to begin with, hence why it's not a counter argument.
> Then explain it again
No, it's basic reading comprehension. Just READ it again instead of frantically pumping out replies as fast as your chubby fingers can manage.
Like I said if your quality didn't improve I would stop replying, and now here we are.
Cya.
The reason the Chinese never invaded America is because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Everyone knows there are more grasses than people tho so I never gotted it.
>>691358396
I'll give you a few. 1) yes there is a prison culture in the us. sentencing is too long and has no basis in reform. the punishments often don't fit the crime. 2) there really does need to be some form of minimum health care for people that can't afford it. there also need to be cost controls, transparency in insurance rate formulas and included minimum dental care. it's fucking 2016 we can do incredible things with medicine there is no excuse with the profit levels of medicine why anyone shouldn't have care when needed. btw there needs to be transparency in profits for health care organizations as well so people can actually see how much they are making when they say they are losing it. 3) the cost of education is ridiculous there needs to be realistic fees for education and it should have an online component that is totally free with nationally certified testing boards to verify that people have achieved the appropriate online education. colleges that are for profit should be an upscale option not a necessity. BTW I am a trump supporter. I still believe in the free market but bitches are taxing people and there is a certain level of necessary life elements that should be made available to our citizens. we can accomplish base aid without wrecking rthe economy or profitability but there needs to be accountability from people who are getting a free ride and are making a career out of it and passing that on to their generations. also I believe affirmative action should be abolished but there should still be laws protecting against discrimination.
>>691370626
>defense
From what? Face it, you cucks are just trigger happy. Apart from the fact that the 2nd is so fucking outdated because it only accounts for muskets. Seriously though, even the craziest gun zealot has to see that there is a difference between a one-shot long reload rifle and semi-automatic weaponry.
>better call em cucks instead of actually giving a counterargument
Cucks.
and for a fact...
that last shooting..one before the gay one
.. the cop guy did.. he was a registered demacrap... and a 2 time obama voter,..? wtf libtards ur crazy
>>691371332
>a gun will save us from a miltary invasion that uses artilerry, drones, tanks, missiles
uwotm8
>>691369691
>>691371198
That said, the AR-15 was never adopted by the military, they took the design, modified it and adopted the modified design as the M16. If you want to get technical the AR-15 is not and has never been a military weapon and when it was marketed commercially it was marketed to 'civilians' as you lot like to say. It's really meaningless to split hairs over considering they are almost mechanically identical and that variants have been both in military service and on the commercial market for over 50 years at this point.
>>691371690
Ask Vietnam about resisting a massively superior force with an armed guerrilla force from the population.
>>691369691
Well if he is so smart then how come he's dead?
>>691371336
The founding fathers weren't stupid fucking cucks. They knew guns and weapons would change, they always did. Rocks to sharp rocks, sharp rocks to knives, swords, cannons, guns. Actually, there were at the time what would be considered assault weapons. The Belton flintlock, which some of the founding fathers actually owned, fired twenty rounds in five seconds. The Girandoni air rifle, which they both owned and supplied to Louis and Clark, fired a whole magazine in thirty seconds. They were actually going to be supplied to the military, but they were to expensive. Thomas Jefferson actually owned one. The Pepperbox revolver had a high-capacity magazine and existed, the Pucklegun was an early gatling gun and existed long before the second amendment and revolutionary war. The amendment was made for all guns, period and modern. The founding fathers knew of, and owned these guns. It was made for protection.
>>691369721
2 Republican economic messes completely cleaned up, support for science, support for education and literally every civil rights victory this nation has ever won.
Oh, the majority of college graduates and a significantly higher average IQ.
..and let's not forget how blue states pay more into the federal government welfare systems than they take out and directly supplement red states, who take a lot more out than they contribute.
Other than THAT, I guess...
>>691371336
>The first amendment was made before your phone and computer. Free speech is only for quill and parchment
Your logic
>>691371690
>Vietnamese farmers could never fight against the greatest military in the world
>A bunch of cavemen in Afghanistan could never fight against the biggest military in the world (Russia or the USA)
>A population more armed than the civilians of Vietnam or Afghanistan could never fight against the USA
>>691371336
>Apart from the fact that the 2nd is so fucking outdated because it only accounts for muskets.
From what? Face it, you cucks are just speech happy. The first amendment is so fucking outdated because it only accounts for speech and written and printed reading material. Seriously though, even the craziest speech zealout has to see that there is a difference between a letter or a book and computer which is capable of being multiple books per second or posting your verbal diarrhea on an anonymous image board.
>>691372582
Also this. There was technological innovation even in their time.
The wording of the bill of rights was no accident.
>>691371690
No. That's not how it works. Multiple citizens owning guns, now that is how it works. It's more than one gun, faggot.
>>691371300
>Your first point = its a necessity
When did I ever say it was a necessity? Oh wait, Never did
>are they American citizens
Yes, and they commit almost all the crime here. You're acting as if the US a a 3rd world warzone filled with crime everywhere. But it's not. It's just pockets of crime in black communities (gang violence, selling drugs). This doesn't arise because of gun ownership, which is what you're against. And the guns they own are illegal anyways. They will commit shitloads of crime no matter what, banning guns won't dramatically chance that
>statistically, stupid people do stupid shit and people get depressed, therefore, no guns for anyone
And guns being used for self-defense isn't a "falsehood." It happens. You're saying that thousands commit suicide or do stupid/irresponsible shit, therefore, we should ban guns from the millions of gun owners across the US in attempt to limit suicide, which people can do regardless of gun control, and because some parents are irresponsible?
This entire tangent, i simply asked if self-defense was a valid reason for owning a gun, and you went on an autist-spree about how they aren't used for self-defense, which they can be used for
>cya
>tips fedora
Reminder that being liberal is supporting SJW's
>>691357198
Nasa, The FDA, 40 hr work weeks, vacations, weekends, public schools and parks, highways, Social Security, Truth in advertising laws, electricity infrastructure, libraries, railroads, police and fire departments, banning lead in consumer products, THE GOD DAMNED INTERNET
OP is a winged faggot, but in no way glorious...
oh yeah completely cleaned up...? more like more debt than ever...hahaahahahah.. education..? look at the plauge of retards comming out of your schools. And i wouldent say giving sodomites and transvestites power .. not exactly a victory
>>691373247
Reminder that being conservative is supporting plutocracy, inbred redneck trash, biblethumping bigots, the Klan/white supremacists, the uneducated and lunatic conspiracytard gunhumpers.
I can play the non-sequitur strawman game too!
>>691371336
Not going to refute the fact that gun control wouldn't work?
>>691373338
>liberals made these things
kill yourself
remember... demoncrats were the producers of jim crow laws.. cant lie about history..
>>691372733
You think Obama has cleared up the economic mess, of a RINO?
Dude, we are still in a recession. 90+ Million out of the work force, stock market and housing markets artificially propped up by unsustainable interest rates, and almost $20 trillion in debt with almost $200 trillion in unfounded liabilities.
Yeah, he really fixed it.
Also, why do you people think all these "leaders" warned against the Brexit?
It's simple. The richest of the rich lost $125 + billion today.
If you honestly think liberals are against big banks and supporting the rich, you need to educate yourself better.
>>691373527
Well, it's better than SJW's, white knights, black lives matter cucks, Hilary Clitorus, communism, and a hundred dollar Bernie wage.
>>691373603
Progressives did. Modern progressives are about as progressive as modern liberals are liberal though.
>>691370311
>mainstream media bullshit
So his family is considered mainstream media? If they provided the same quotes to Fox News or Alex Jones would you change your opinion?
>>691357198
>you have yet to hear one "valid point" from a liberal
That's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You are just way too stupid to comprehend the high-level intelligence and actual, fact-cited logic they are talking about so in translation it sounds like nonsensical babbling to you.
You're kind of like a dog listening to humans and trying to pick out words you might know from that one time you saw Jeopardy!.
"The thing about smart people is they can sound like crazy people to stupid people."
>>691373603
>liberals made these things
Yes. They did. And the majority of them did so with direct opposition from the fucking scum in the GOP, too.
>>691373894
We call them the recessive left, anon. Just for the future.
Islam is an ideology not a religion
>>691374169
True. Mohammad also fucked a nine year old, killed many Christians and Jews, but cared for trees. Oh, he also beat his wives.
>>691370626
So, you're saying gun control wouldn't work at all? Who would've expected?
>>691367015
actually the us military couldn't sweep a dust city in Iraq overnight. maybe you weren't paying attention during that war or were just 11 whichever the case may be but regardless the reality is that even if you don't think that people need guns to resist the government there is ample proof that in situations of natural disaster, potential foreign invasion ( yes the chinese could do it they have the manpower), or just plain racial uprising over a fucking arrest, officer involved shooting or court verdict there are real situations that can occur where you may need to engage multiple assailants. How handy were the cops in new orleans after the hurricane? get real dude your arguement defies the potential real necessity for people to have that available and in the aftermath of a earthquake, hurricane or whatever when your neighbor with the AR stops looters from raping your wife and daughter and killing you for your fucking big screen. you'd likely change your tune. but the situations are not beyond the intelligent need for preparation for.
why do any of you believe your sides propaganda..? really . why dont you open your eyes to things...See through your own logical filter...without ur daddys thoughts or a teachers twisting...
>>691373935
Oh, I'm not op, but there are no arguments for gun control THAT I'VE HEARD that cannot be easily refuted.
>>691358417
Less *good* People with guns is what these retards don't get.
>>691374144
>Recessive left
First of all, it's REGRESSIVE left, Regressive being the antonym of the word progressive, which is the word the left uses for its newer centrist values.
Second of all, that's an extremely bold accusation, seeing as how the modern GOP is, without peer, the most regressive group of people in US history.
>trying to roll back gay rights
>rolling back antiracist Supreme Court protections
>trying to roll back women's rights
>trying to roll back minority rights
>trying to rig the vote in their favor
>using 1960's and 1970s rhetoric in their propaganda
>trying to institute a national religion as well as illegal Christianity-based laws all over the fucking place
>fighting to preserve racist historic monuments and symbols
>crying and pouting when they don't get their way
>shutting down Congress
Literal babies would make more mature, useful Congressmen than the GOP and the best part is America knows this. That's why Obama's approval is 50 and the House GOP's is a pathetic 8%.
>>691373527
Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuu XD
>>691357198
This is almost as bad as those atheist threads...
fact is.. any libtard would kill to save a friend of protect his fam... from those who want to hurt or kill them.. when is it illegal to defend the innocent. i would shoot a burgler breaking into my libtards nieghbors home... just to help him from being hurt from an evil person.
>>691359322
U ain't steelin.... or spelling
>>691374994
Found the white knight.
Also, not GOP. I just hate liberals.
Also, my phone doesn't like the word regressive for fuck.
Also, women have greater rights than men atm.
>>691373771
Modern liberals are not against banks because to the thinking man, they are actually a center-RIGHT party now. The Democrats are nearly indistinguishable from the pre-1978 GOP other than a few trivial social/civil rights interests they still maintain from yesteryear. It's the psychopathic Republicans who are in WackyLand off to the extreme-extreme right somewhere between Theocracy and Authoritarianism.
>>691357198
The only thing current gun control laws do is make it more difficult for people without bad intent to obtain guns. Even if all guns were made totally illegal crooks would still have them.
>>691373935
/thread
>>691373935
please professor. elaborate on the examples of some of this high-level intelligence and fact cited logic which is currently escaping me because of my limited comprehension to understand.
>>691357905
OH FUCK FIRST OUT THE FUCKING GATE
YOU DUNGOOFED OP
YOU FUCKED OP
>>691375468
that is a really under appreciated analogy. We should really get that out in front of people more.
>>691374636
The US swept the entire country of Iraq in less than 3 days you numpty.
Laws are for law abiding citizens... criminals dont give a shit.. so thank god i can own them.. and im still within the law.. wow background check do work.. im an upstanding citizen without a wrap sheet.. i can own a gun..
>>691375468
#1. This is true, however it also makes illegal guns very expensive and scarce and something that no average joe schmo thug can get. We've seen that happen in places like the UK and Austrailia.
#2. Drugs are plants. They are very easy to "make" and package densely to maximize profit. They are also non-metallic and concealable. Firearms being smuggled are very difficult to make, impossible to conceal en masse and weigh a fuckton more than drug packets. It wouldn't be as easy to profit nor would the guns be anywhere near as "recreationally available" as lllicit drugs are. This argument is stupid.
>>691373837
They're both awful tho
you gun hating peeps.. really should go out to a range.. shoot an ar15.. u would like it.. hell u might just buy one..
>>691375700
It's actually a very, VERY stupid analogy.
Not quite as stupid as the "ban cars" one, but still 100% inadmissible in any debate setting.
>>691375721
>>691375721
3 weeks you fuck twit.
3/19/2003-4/9/2003
>>691375700
but is it really an accurate or appropriate analogy?
>>691375417
thats what is portrayed to you and how you have been told to understand it but is not accurate. I vote republican and I am sorry that my party is so centrist and left leaning but I also am pro choice, not religious, and support some government assistance. However I am fiscally conservative, against federal over reach, and believe the IRS should be abolished in favor of a national sales tax. I am against illegal immigration, affirmative action and farm subsidies.
>>691373837
No it isn't. Having all the smart people and just a few far-left interest groups is still MUCH better than having 90+% of the fundamentalist Christfaggots, gun nuts and white power movement.
