Sup brit fags, any of you noticed how pathetic in voters are becoming in the final days till the vote, with stupid shit like kiss for the eu which is making people kiss in other countrys to get the uk to stay in to today's autistic hash tag of #catsagainstbrexit. How autistic are these people that they think posting pictures of their scruffy cats with quotes like "Lola says remain (or she'll scratch your eyes out)" and "Boots is haunted when he thinks about what might happen if we leave!". On the other hand i have yet to see the leave party coming up with anything as pathetic as this to attempt to "convince" people to stay in, what are your thoughts /b/ on these lefty cucks attempts at making people want to remain a part of eurabia.
>>690802386
What's the benefit of leaving aside from being free from the free movement of labor?
Voting out, send em back.
Make Britian great again.
>>690802816when you vote it actually counts and your parties views are reflected in national government rather than some european idiots making laws for ther interests not Britians
You always get vote-bait fear mongering in the final days. Same thing happened with the last general election, it's a fact of life. Just ignore it and vote with what you agree.
>ranting on an anonymous image board
>about how autistic OTHER people are
I don't know
One one hand I don't want my streets overrun with Sandniggers and uneducated Slavs
But at the same time I don't want the pound to fluxuate like a fishing boat in a storm,
Help me out here.
>>690803643
>when you vote it actually counts and your parties views are reflected in national government
The current prime minister said he would reduce immigration by 50% during his first term and if he didn't he'd step down, it doubled. The idea that any individual vote "counts" is ridiculous especially when small towns votes are tallied against larger cities near to them meaning the votes have 10% or less of the voting power of the cities. You prefer one civil service cunt providing you with your laws instead? With 0 oversight and 0 ability to over turn them? I get you want fewer immigrants and you're trying your best to come up with other points but the only difference with being out is more expensive access to EU markets and 50,000 per year fewer immigrants. You also get that this will cause a new scottish independance referendum because scotland needs access to those markets to export and import goods cheaply, right?
>>690804391
Brexit would barely change the imigration policies, plus you can't just start deporting people so those already here are guarenteed atleast their current term of citizenship
>>690802816
You really haven't read up enough by now to make your mind up, i fear this is the kind of thing that will make a lot of people just vote in for the sake of it
>>690804105
It's hard to do when they shit post it fucking everywhere
>>690805327
Then please give me some direction on how being out will benefit me as an individual.
>>690804239
When it comes to a political debate about an entire country's future posting pictures of cats to get people to vote in is about as autistic as you can get.
>>690804636
This is something i fear, i hear the vote for in and out will be tallied over 12 county's and done from that, it should just be a straight up higher or lower number vote
>>690804662
True but you can deport those who no longer have the right or never did to be in the country.
Just use BBC 'Reality check'
The leave side are talking shit. It's all on the site.
There is no point in an argument with these vote leave neanderthals.
>>690802816
>Your tax money stays in UK
>Your law is superior than EU law
>You can impose immigration, security law
>You can freely set duties and tax rates (In EU you can't do it absolutely freely)
>You don't have to stick to EU policies like a common agrary policy, enviromental policies, political beliefs policies
>Free to set own import/export policies with Russia and China
>Don't have to stick with enviromental limits, hunting limits, fishing limits, so on.
And many more
>>690805488
As much as i want to why should i spend my time doing that, you have had months to read up and watch political broadcasts about it to make your mind up if you're to lazy to do that then i would question your ability to even bother to read what i would put so im not going to type, just watch these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq72f81kkM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
>>690806191
>BBC
Do you know of any unbiased sources on this topic?
>>690806191
So what you're trying to say that all the shit the in voters have been saying is 100% truth and not one bit warped to convince people to vote in.
>>690805926
Technically yes, logistically probably not.
With the appeal process as it is, even if they did start 'cracking' down on illegal immigration and expired citizenship, those involved would be able to remain here for years during the appeal, and then only IF the outcome if just, would they then BEGIN the deportation process.
Don't get me wrong, I'm voting out, it's just not going to be a exciting as people want it to be, sadly.
>>690806347
I have watched the Brexit movie and it scared the shit out of me that people would believe any of the shit they showed. Because there were 0 sources
>>690806515
I don't need to say anything when the facts do it all for me.
>>690806526
I don't think it will either but at least we will have a choice in that and many many other things as well .
>>690804239
It's quite handy, because it's anonymous.
People can write here without fear of being socially excluded or scrutinized, only called a faggot by some other anonymous poeple.
>>690806379
No source is ever truly unbiased. But the BBC are the closest thing to it.
>>690806620
Okay so despite the fact that they got in top political figures, had interviews with huge businesses and traveled to the country's in question you still think they would have just spent all that money on making the movie with out fact checking a single thing.
>Shoot MP Jo Cox
>Arrested
>judge asks your name
>Yell "Death to traitors freedom for Britain"
>nationalism intensifies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY
>>690806738
Correct, my views exactly.
It's not going to make things magically perfect, but atleast whatever is wrong will be our problem to fix, and not debated by politicians that have never set foot in England before.
The EU has brought in some good things (working time directive) but at the same time we could have adopted that policy ourselves anyway. I'd rather things take alittle longer if the result is it's actually our own countries decision to something.
>>690806738
Since when have you had a choice? The laws the civil service puts into place? The choice of having more than 2 political parties to choose from? The choice of having tax and duty changed? You have never had any of these things, they have always been decided for you. The only thing you're doing by pushing this "LEAVE ITS FOR OUR SOVEREIGNTY!" rhetoric is gimping our trade in the EU. Which may not seem important now but when food and utility prices go up you'll know.
>>690802386
Well the remain campaign is full of liberal, retarded students and rose-tinted spectacle wearers. It is no surprise that they foolishly believe that pictures of cats and shit will work.
It will be so close. I'll be gutted if Leave lose but it still seems like the likely scenario. People get scared in the ballot box.
>>690802386
>On the other hand i have yet to see the leave party coming up with anything as pathetic as this to attempt to "convince" people to stay in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulkh10sSmVE
xD
>>690807140
Im not one for conspiracys but i have a feeling jo cox was a false flag, why would a guy that killed a woman, stabbed a man that tried to help just bow down and surrender to the cops with out a fight. besides that before it happened the out vote was set and was higher then all of a sudden some guy comes out of nowhere and does something that could have turned the tide of the entire vote.
>>690806978
>But the BBC are the closest thing to it.
Take this shit to the ylyl thread.
>>690807557
That isn't a video from the Leave campaign.
>>690802386
you're not looking hard enough faggot
>>690807140
But in which accent?
>>690807411
Not now but i have a feeling partys they actually want to stand for the people will rise and things will change, in the eu we have less choice over things then out so just leaving is a hugh choice for the people to make that covers a massive amount of things.
>>690802386
holy shit, autist detected
>>690802816
leaving wouldn't guarantee an end to the free movement of labour.
accessing the single market like Norway or Switzerland would entail agreeing to the same freedom of movement as is currently the case but with fuck all further say in the matter.
also, for the record, both the aforementioned countries have higher levels of immigration than the UK.
The Cameron Initiative - solve your internal party bickering by unnecessarily throwing the whole continent of Europe into economic and political instability, right at the time an apolalyptic death has taken control of swathes of the middle east and is trying to start World War III. What a fucking idiot. I'll be voting remain.
>>690807649
not a false flag, thats what americans do , was just a mentally disturbed man , influenced by the countries discussion and current events.
>>690808111
> i have a feeling partys
people like you shouldnt be allowed to vote
do any of you faggots even know that a leave vote only means we invoke article 50 and have a 2 year discussion with all other EU member states then have to choose a model based on Switzerland , Norway or an EEC agreement, all of which still have to pay into the EU and have freedom of movement.....the ignorance is astounding..
>>690808624
economic upheaval should be higher in your considerations than a "feeling"
>>690802386
my country hasn't done any of this shit
you're welcome
>>690808624
"If you use 'I feel' in any assignment, I will throw your paper in the trash, and you're getting a zero." -- best teacher ever
>>690808795
Yes, but we don't have to choose a model based on any of those, and we don't have to make an eec agreement.
>>690809091
But thats bullshit anon , yes you do , those are the only legal options, you will not be able to pass any other legislation in any other form.
>tfw Sun readers are allowed to vote
>>690809243
But no its not, and the eec can be ignored if an agreement is not made with in 2 years.
>>690808795
>>690807662
>>690806620
>>690806526
>>690806379
>>690806339
Daily reminder , you are being misled.
>>690809482
should be
>tfw in voters are allowed to vote
>>690809091
To be fair, that's probably what will end up happening.
But if does happen, people who want something different can fight for what they want.
>>690809607
you believe an agreement wont be made in 2 years after crippling austerity from consecutive governments and international influence, you are deluded to the absolute extreme.
>>690809814
It will be the people of the country that should be making the agreements
>>690809871
>spot the in voter
Can't stop fear mongering can you, you do know that you don't have to be an eu member to trade with country's in the eu and leaving the eu will open doors to other trade agreements the eu has blocked from other country's.
>>690809957
LOL, No honestly please go look at the models I stated previously.
>>690808795
if you believe that you are genuinely dumber than I initially gave you credit for.
>>690803419
Impossible with the tories in..
>>690810195
Oh Im not an In voter, the dichotomy is very much the same, except im not deluded into believing an out vote is the be all and end all of our legislative problems.
>>690810195
It's incredibly obvious you've never tried shipping to a country outside of the EU.
>>690810473
Looks like the eu has never tried it either.
>>690806191
This.
Leave have been talking shit since the beginning. Doesn't matter though, die hard leavers won't listen.
>>690810195
believing other countries will trade with us over the power houses of china india and japan. ho ho ho ho ho.
>>690809957
As long as they aren't being mislead by Hitler or Merkel (& whatever else). Which is why in the US the Framers gave citizens the ability to fight for themselves if it were to happen.
>>690810645
Believing other country's wont jump at the chace to trade with a country that would be much more open to trade with then the eu is
>Boris Johnson actually being taken seriously by a large percentage of the population
>>690810888
>Hitler or Merkel
One stood up for his people and made his country great again, the other let in hundreds of thousands of rapefuges, Please don't compare the two.
>>690811069
People believe the truth and will believe a man that stands for his country not for his bank balance.
>>690810645
Someimes it's cheaper for smaller countries to produce things. There's a term for it, but I don't remember what that's called.
>>690810195
> he thinks that we can negotiate trade with any EU country without the EU having a say
Jesus christ you are one stupid motherfucker.
I assume you're also ignorant of the fact that any trade agreements that we've made with other countries have been made with the EU's involvement, and that we would need to renegotiate ALL trade agreements?
It goes without saying, I suppose, that you're blissfully unaware of the fact that we face the prospect of entirely rewriting UK law since it is currently deeply entwined in EU law? That we'll have to devolve much of the process to unelected government officials, and fuck knows what'll happen then?
There's a difference between fear mongering and being acutely aware of the literal, unavoidable repercussions of carrying out an act of such monumental stupidity that it genuinely makes me question democracy as a whole.
Go vote leave if you want. Remain will win regardless. Even if leave wins, Remain will still win because a referendum isn't legally binding and the government will just make it go away, so fuck you.
>>690811069
He does play the bumbling fool, but I think he's an intelligent chap. He's widely accepted as a good mayor of London.
I don't even think he truly thinks we should leave. He's just picked the side he thought was going to win to have a go at leader of the conservatives.
>>690811502
I don't think he said that, he clearly said you do know that you dont have to be an eu member to trade with country's in the eu. You're twisting his words against him and in your favor.
>>690811348
>believe a man that stands for his country not for his bank balance.
>implying
kek. Boris Johnson never had to worry about his bank balance anyway. He models himself on his hero Churchill and wants to further his career and legacy.
>>690811570
The amount of shit that he's said in the last couple of months that has DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED stuff he said four or five months ago should scare anyone.
He wants power, and he's not too good to lie directly to the British people to get it. What's scary is that he fumbled and whoops'd his way there, and people eat it up.
Voting Remain. And looking like they'll win.
Forget the polls, it's all about the betting odds, and they're swinging to 80% likely for an In vote.
Kinda looking forward to all the dumbasses and old fuckers losing their shit on Friday.
After all this talk of home the EU isn't democratic (it is), I wonder how many will reject a democratic referendum result?
>>690811502
>Even if leave wins, Remain will still win because a referendum isn't legally binding and the government will just make it go away, so fuck you.
I can't imagine that not ending in mass rioting.
>>690812150
more then 50% in the polls means 80% odds...doesn't make sense.
>>690811502
>so fuck you
kek. Why didn't the politicians on the debate at Wembley today finish their statements with that?
>>690811861
Churchill was one of the ideological founders of the EU. He actually wanted to go further, proposing a United States of Europe model.
>>690811712
How exactly did I twist his words?
The fact is that if we are to negotiate trade with any country in the EU, the EU gets involved. Do you think the EU are going to let us leave, waltz back in and get anywhere near as good a deal again?
Boy, are you in for a shock.
>>690812101
Yeah, I agree totally.
Dunno if I've ever said that on 4chan before.
I meant: fuck you faggit get wrekt Boris for president
>>690811651
>Forget the polls, it's all about the betting odds, and they're swinging to 80% likely for an In vote.
We fucking better stay in, the amount I've already bet on the Remain campaign.
Oh, and <70.5% turnout. Wasn't confident enough to make a more specific bet than that.
>>690812228
The bookes are only interested in the result, not the actual percentage of people voting for that result.
So the odds are saying it's an 80% chance of remain getting anything over 50%.
>>690812165
You've met British people, right?
It'll take a lot more than that to incite mass rioting.
>>690812229
Cause they're not as good at persuasive shit as me :^)
>>690812261
We have Union of European Socialist Republic instead.
They even named government with the same manner, as "comissars" as ministers. They are undemocratic too.
>>690811348
>a man that stands for his country not for his bank balance
He's after the PM gig. That's the only reason he's thrown his lot in with Out.
>>690812498
These are strange times.
>>690812593
Right but that still makes no sense, almost every poll i have seen has been either 50/50 or pro leave so how the fuck do they get 80% from 50/50 odds.
>>690811069
Wow that's a sexy orange man. We have one in the US too.
>>690812228
Leave voters feel more passionately about leaving so more likely to do the polls. They're also more likely to be vocal and rattle their sabres because they're pissed off.
Most people voting remain don't give a fuck about the EU, it's shit, but it's better than the alternative.
Look at the Scottish referendum, consistently high polls for leaving then they voted remain.
>>690805817
>it should just be a straight up higher or lower number vote
and how would that work?
>>690802386
In fact, I'm voting out just out of curiosity what happens.
You know, just tip the first domino tile, because it can't be worse. No 90's worse, I still would have food, internet, and a car.
>>690813154
Right so in the last election a lot of fuss was made about the ukip vote, they had 3rd highest votes just only got 1 seat, i fear that the same sort of voting system will be put in place to keep us in.
>>690809653
Replace the cow with the NHS, UK government wants TTIP, leaving the EU will remove the countries genuinely opposed to it.
>>690813099
yeah i don't understand that with scotland, tbh its the undecided that will make it up and i feel that unfortunately they will vote in just because they think things will keep being the same.
>>690802386
The leave campaign don't need to stoop to such pathetic levels of desperation as the facts speak for themselves... and just wait until Greece default again in August, a third bailout paid for by UK taxpayers!
I am slightly worried that all of the brainwashed facebook drones will still vote in just because David Beckham says they should
Save the UK... Vote Leave :D
>>690813099
>Leave voters feel more passionately about leaving so more likely to do the polls. They're also more likely to be vocal and rattle their sabres because they're pissed off.
Pretty much. I'm seeing Vote Leave and UKIP posters all over yet nothing from Remain, just because they don't see the referendum as the big fucking MUH SOVEREIGNTY deal that Brexittors do and are (hopefully) just going to go out and vote.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10549143
Strawpoll gentlemen.
>>690812961
It's the chance of it being one result over the other, not the actual number of the result itself. If the actual expected result is even marginally in favour of remain, the odds of remain winning rise rapidly.
Say the bookies knew that the result would be no less than 60:40 in favour of remain; they would give odds of 1:1, because anything over 50:50 is a guaranteed win, whether it's 50.01 or 99.999. Get it?
>>690811069
That is the biggest brainfuck of all this campaign, not Farage's promise that Remain=Rape, not Corbyn sitting on the sidelines twiddling his thumbs, but Boris 'pickininny' Johnson who quite openly hates the poor and wants to kill the NHS is being seen as the voice of the people.
>>690813783
Funny i have seen the opposite, i have seen more vote in people out of the street then vote out and more posts about remaining in yet more comments about coming out.
>>690813311
It'll probably be fine whichever way we vote anon. Then we can go back to having a nice cup of tea, and let this all blow over.
>>690813891
Tell me a prominent figure from the remain campaign who isn't just an equally rich, power grabbing fuck.
>>690813099
This. But even factoring that in, I think Leave is ahead.
>>690813447
>i fear that the same sort of voting system will be put in place to keep us in.
Surely it's just going to be a simple tallying up of Yes/No votes, same as the AV referendum?
>>690812961
Because they know that saying something to a pollster is one thing, actually going and voting is another entirely. Pollsters have no vested interest in any particular result, they just aim to give a representation of what people tell them. Bookies however have a huge vested interest, as it makes them money. So they put considerable resource and know how into determining what a result will be.
next dubs decides what i vote
>>690813741
>just wait until Greece default again in August, a third bailout paid for by UK taxpayers!
*Only* the UK taxpayers, right?
>>690814166
enjoy being flooded with germanys rapfuges
>>690814170
They're all rich, power grabbing fucks but Boris is the only one getting his dick sucked by a worryingly high amount of voters.
>>690814131
That's interesting. Maybe it's probably a regional thing.
I live in a village in Norfolk and there is one solitary vote leave sign.
>>690814232
Indeed. But if it is Remain, I guarantee that the paranoid batshit tinfoil hat UKIP racist brigade will call foul and remain (heh) convinced that it was a fix. Because they have very little contact with reality.
>>690813741
>I am slightly worried that all of the brainwashed facebook drones will still vote in just because David Beckham says they should
Having all these footballers come out in support of Remain is almost as embarrassing as the cat hashtag thing.
>>690814232
i thought that would happen in the last vote too, in this one its the uk, ireland and gibraltar voting and the uk is split into i think 12 voting blocks.
>>690814282
Your country needs you anon
Vote Out
>>690802386
I'm a lefty and I'm voting out.
>>690813741
I'd rather we had a referendum on whether or not to kick Greece out of the EU. Lazy, tax dodging bastards sitting about in the sun. They need a large group of Germans to go over and sort them out.
>>690814483
>>690814131
>>690813783
Massive regional variation. Cities and Scotland pro-Remain. Rural England very much pro-Leave.
>>690813447
> Right so in the last election a lot of fuss was made about the ukip vote, they had 3rd highest votes just only got 1 seat, i fear that the same sort of voting system will be put in place to keep us in.
Aw, is this your first politics?
General elections use the 'first past the post' system, which is fundamentally bullshit. We had the chance to replace it with AV (itself a watered down version of PR) but a massive and well funded NO campaign had the prospect shot down quickly.
Referendums aren't multiple choice, so no particular system. They'll count all the votes and see which count is higher.
The thing you should be worried about is the fact that referendums aren't legally binding, and the government can just just not leave if they decide it's best.
>>690814717
We can't Germany sold them so much shit if they left the Germans would be fucked. Welcome to the EU.
>>690810888
I like your trips man
>>690814483
i live in the south east..luckily away from brighton aka cuckton,there are many vote out signs yet not many vote in, down in the south most of brighton is probs going to vote in which would effect out vote.
>>690814949
yeah i live in rural england, and who gives a fucking shit what the scots want.
>>690815218
Fuck the Scots. If they wanted Independence they should have let the English vote too, because we don't want the sponging cunts.
>>690814382
There is no amount of raping refugees that a nice sit down and a cup of tea can't fix old boy.
T
>>690814988
i never voted the eu is the first time i will and governments dont mean shit as you can elect them out, but i didn't know that that was the way the system worked and its gay to work like that.
>>690815218
The democratic process does. That's kind of the point. Also, a Leave vote could result in the SNP gaining power in the Scottish assembly. We could result in another Scottish referendum, where the Scots would then vote to leave the UK, and rejoin the EU. This would potentially end the UK's nuclear deterrent, which is based in Scotland, which could then result in the UK losing its place on the UN security council, meaning we're a vastly diminished power in the world.
All decisions have consequences.
>>690814617
exactly my point... unfortunately it seems to be the most obvious and lame tactics that have the biggest impact on both sides.
>>690814862
exactly like this... are people really this naive?
>apparently yes
/POL/ HERE - JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT VOTING TO STAY IS A VOTE TO ALLOW THE SAND NIGGERS OVER HERE TO RAPE YOUR SISTER, DO THE RIGHT THING AND VOTE TO LEAVE
THANK YOU
>>690812101
>I love Turkey, I'm proud of my ancestry and will campaign tirelessly to have them become a member of the EU
>Oh no, we need to leave the EU! Turkey might join the EU!
>TTIP is a wonderful idea, it's Churchillian and would help bring us closer together with American and build stronger financial ties
>The EU wants to sneak TTIP in under our noses and that'll kill the NHS, vote Leave!
Farage
>Replacing the NHS with private insurance healthcare will mean a better quality service that is driven by competition
>if you leave, we will pour lots of money into the NHS and save it from the evil EU
>as an MEP I will fight our corner in EU
>*barely attends any meeting whilst picking up a big EU wage*
>the problem is, the EU doesn't listen to us and so many MEPs are just in it for the money
Cameron
>We must leave the EU for a brighter future and regain control over our own future, we would be stronger independant
>fuck you Scotland, independance is too risky, you're stronger together as part of a larger union
>We must vote to Remain in the EU, we are stronger together and it could trigger WW3. ISIS would vote leave
Corbyn
>I hate the idea of a large union of European states dictating what we can do, it would be the death of democracy!!
>eh, remain I guess?
The only politician who didn't flip flop and actually stood for something they believed in (even if I don't agree with her) just got shot.
>>690815849
just build a new base
>>690816040
>The only politician who didn't flip flop and actually stood for something they believed in (even if I don't agree with her) just got shot.
she was an in voter and deserved to die.
>>690815853
Brian Blessed is pro-Remain.
>>690814949
So, all Brits are voting leave, except highlanders and Londonistan
>>690815849
You and a stupid fucking cuck.
If you believe the uks only nuclear base is in Scotland, then you sir are a retard.
>>690815853
>>690814617
I wouldn't listen to an airhead footballer whatever their view was.
>>690816262
and the poorer (less populated) areas that actually benefit from EU membership
Leave will win
>>690814131
>>690814483
>probably a regional thing
Seems likely. I imagine every region is going to be an echo chamber for whichever side is most popular so it looks like the other side is non-existent.
>>690816262
London is where the money comes from. Worth remembering.
>>690816230
Weak b8 m8, we all know Leave voters aren't violent braindead thugs
>>690816262
and most of brighton but thats full of fags.
>>690816262
this
dont forget all the autistic cunts over at glastonbury throwing themselves on bonfires won't be voting which is a good -150,000 for remain vote
VOTE LEAVE LADS WE CAN DO THIS
>>690816652
its also where most bankers live.
>>690816706
they aren't violent but they're brain dead to want to be a part of euabia.
>>690816388
Trident submarines are all based on the Clyde.
The UK has no other nuclear weapons bases.
>>690816040
Corbyn could be on holiday in the Maldives and no one would notice he was missing
>>690816652
It's also where most immigration ends up, see why most of London want in? Most of the north want out and there's like 10 immigrants there
>>690816901
Live on the Clyde, I see those fucking Subs constantly
>>690816868
>Leave voters want to be part of eurabia
What?
>>690816231
Well as much as I admire the man... Brian's opinion on this matter have no relevance to my decision and neither will any other celebrity endorsement
>>690814516
>I guarantee that the paranoid batshit tinfoil hat UKIP racist brigade will call foul and remain (heh) convinced that it was a fix
They already seem convinced Jo Cox was some kind of MI5 false flag operation, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Polling has consistently shown that Leave voters are generally either old or young, unskilled and uneducated.
This thread is proving that right.
>>690817149
i think he ment in
>>690816901
Ok mate you believe that.
Ever talked to any one in the navy?
Do you realy think we would put all out eggs in one basket?
So any one that wants to can just watch one port and follow the leaving subs.
>>690817025
Irony being, the North benefits massively from EU membership and London is pretty much getting their pockets turned inside out for the membership fee
>>690814516
>I guarantee that the paranoid batshit tinfoil hat UKIP racist brigade
ohh ohh ohh spot the bashful lefty
>>690816987
True dat. His heart isn't in this debate, he doesn't really believe in the EU anyway.
The far left have their knickers in such a twist. Torn between letting in unlimited migrants and refugees to not seem racist, and rambling about the working classes wages being driving down wages.
>>690817025
So those who can see that immigration is nothing to fear want to remain.
Those who are scared shitless of some mythic tide of scary immigrants as painted by the right wing media, but never actually see it, vote leave.
>>690817322
Yes. My brother is in the Navy.
>>690816901
>UK leaves the EU
>Scotland leaves the UK
>Scotland nukes England
>Scotland and the charred remains of England join the EU
Book it lads
>>690802386
Yeah that's some cringey shit, but my business potentially crumbles if I lose the licenses granted by EU membership, there's more to it than immigrants.
>>690817248
This thread is also proving that Remain voters are self-righteous, self-entitled wankers who think they can dismiss the opinions of 48% of the population by categorizing them as uneducated and conspiracy theorists.
>>690806339
>Your tax money stays in UK
Only if we don't want to join the EFTA
>Your law is superior than EU law
Our law is already superior to EU law, except where our law specifically allows EU law to take precedence.
>You can impose immigration, security law
We already do.
>You can freely set duties and tax rates (In EU you can't do it absolutely freely)
>You don't have to stick to EU policies like a common agrary policy, enviromental policies, political beliefs policies
>Don't have to stick with enviromental limits, hunting limits, fishing limits, so on.
What should we change these to and why?
>Free to set own import/export policies with Russia and China
What will we use this for? Russia and China won't give a shit about trade deals with us if we are out of the EU. The point of the EU is to negotiate together in order to get a better deal.
>>690817605
If your business cant survive with out a stagnate eu market then it doesn't deserve to, what it is anyway
>>690815557
>If they wanted Independence they should have let the English vote too, because we don't want the sponging cunts.
Referendum for England to leave the UK when?
>>690817350
It seems like most of the out voters I've talked to are just racist peeps who think somehow out will mean no immigration. And in voters won't listen to any one else's arguments and just narrow it down to them being racist haha. Not that I can vote anyway even though it's more my future than half the fucking cunts that havnt even looked into it
>>690817691
If you don't want people to think you're stupid, don't do stupid things. Voting leave is a stupid thing.
>>690817419
It's been an odd thing, Labour is traditionally left leaning, Tories are traditionally right leaning, the EU is a right wing organisation that lefties have always opposed
>>690817593
Thought so, must be a family of faggots.
I'm not getting on the party van to prove you wrong.
So the uk only had one nuclear base sure mate. You sleep tight.
>>690817889
Anal lube factory
>>690809091
Ahh, the "economic suicide" option! Also my favourite.
>>690816040
Corbyn's in a strange position, since Euroscepticism is traditionally the domain of the left (which has been a lifelong position for him) but it's patently clear that leaving the EU at present would be a mistake.
Strategically speaking it's been good for him to lay low and let the right hurl shit at each other for a couple of months. Better the media focus on that than whether he's bowing at a sufficiently respectful angle or wearing a tie.
>>690817889
It's engineering safety certifications, if I can't provide them to the entire of the EU it will go under because there aren't that many needed very often, if I covered only the UK I wouldn't make enough to live.
It's more than fixed price rates, it's the right to travel and work in certain areas.
>>690817967
Well you did just reassert my point by making the claim you're so omniscient to objectively know that leaving is a 'stupid' idea.
>>690815941
>alwaysdotheoppositeofwhat/pol/says.jpg
Guess I'm voting IN then.
>>690818011
Overwhelming evidence from you there.
The subs can be at sea for huge lengths of time. The base is primarily for maintenance.
>>690818139
Ohh you supply the eu so they can fuck the uk up the ass
Im voting in because i like freedom of movement within Europe, i can work from anywhere and its really nice to be able to go to a different country and work for a couple of weeks hassle free.
>>690818444
*gasp*
YOU'RE the immigrant!
GUYS I FOUND HIM
blablabla
>>690817951
There's four camps
- Remain voters making an informed decision
- Leave voters making an informed decision
- FUCK OFF ALL PAKIS AND BLACK CUNTS LEAVE NOW THIS IS A WHITE CHRISTIAN COUNTRY AND WE'RE TAKING IT BACK
- Oh heavens no, I'm not a racist, of COURSE I'm voting Remain because I'm not a racist, what is the vote for again?
>>690817889
It doesn't matter if the EU market is "stagnate[sic]" because it's still a fucking huge market. Some businesses can't survive without economies of scale.
>>690818371
I am smart enough to know who knows what they're talking about.
>>690818417
Yes because without them, the Tories would be going in dry
>>690818610
I worked in Germany for a while. Was cool. Back in the UK now, though.
Voting Remain because it's so much better, cooler and more pleasant to just be able to move anywhere within 28 countries and get a job.
>>690818687
Finally some one said it
>>690818444
Irish descent, so yea i guess i am.
>>690818731
Not a huge enough market to be growing at a faster rate then other markets though.
>>690818799
You're smart enough to blindly follow what other people tell you to without considering any actual evidence or hard facts? Congratulations mate you're going to do well.
>>690818391
No really you are right. We have all out eggs in one basket. Don't even google it or look up deep water ports. Or think about where in the uk the nukes are made/ maintained Coz that would be near where they are needed. Not 350 miles away that would just be silly.
>>690818444
>voting for reasons that directly affect your life
You're doing it wrong, you should be scared by now!
Everyone in mainland Europe is a fucking weirdo.
>>690818799
>>690819042
How many of those people can you relate to on a circumstantial basis? Try thinking for yourself you fucking sheep.
Send em back, no more kebab
We need to stay in, it's idiotic to think we need to leave. The only people I know that are voting to leave are racists who think they can then kick everyone out (which they can't) or people who just fancy it because they're 'patriotic'.
If we leave we will go into recession, it will have nothing but negative effects on the economy.
Boris keeps stating bullshit about the £350 million we pay in each week. Which just isn't true, we get rebates and other amounts back from the EU making the real value around £190 million. Which doesn't include the amount we save on tax or make from trade in the free market.
The US, China, Japan and the EU all agree we should stay in.
Experts from:
- HM Treasury
- Bank of England
- PWC
- Oxford EconomicStreet
- Centre for Economic performance
- OECD
- IMF
- National institutevents of Economic and Social research
And many more all say leaving will have a negative effect on the UK economy and will send us back into recession.
And all Michael Gove could say is that he's sick of listening to these Experts. Which just shows how fucking stupid the people running the leave campaign are, and even more how stupid people voting leave are that they still think leaving is the right choice after listening to these stupid bastards.
And just for those of you who are only voting leave so we can 'regain control of our borders'.
For us to actually form any trade deals with EU countries or the free market WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ALLOW MIGRATION or no country will trade with us. We can't trade in the Free Market without paying in around the same amount if not more than we do now. We can't trade in the Free Market without abiding by their rules eother.
£190 million makes complete fiscal sense to pay in as a proportion of the UK GDP. And we'do be stupid to nothe to stay in.
>>690819288
Institute *
>>690818799
>Greepeace
I know you didn't make that but a person trying to sneer at the intelligence of others should always at least spellcheck
>>690819066
Fuck looks like I got myself a seat on the van.
>>690819143
I don't give a fuck about any other implications, it helps me so fuck the counter argument.
>>690818990
>>690819055
I'm Irish myself. Well, Northern Irish. Which feels complicated.
I'm considering getting an Irish passport in the event of Leave winning, but what position would I be in then? As far as I know I'd still be a citizen of both, but would I be entitled to freedom of movement between the UK and Europe or what?
>>690819042
>>690819235
I will think for myself. And I will start by ignoring what idiots on /b/ think.
>How many of those people can you relate to on a circumstantial basis?
Who the fuck cares? I don't relate to astrophysicists, but I'm fairly sure they know more about astrophysics than my mate Dave down the pub with two GCSEs who swears that the stars are painted on.
Just because you BELIEVE that Brexit is better doesn't make it true. It makes you gullible.
>>690818687
This.
>>690819288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZA1-scNMg
Yo if we just kick Greece out we should have alot of money spare anyway haha
>>690819288
>>690818731
>>690818363
>>690817605
All these great reasons to stay being ignored
My "always do the opposite of what David Cameron says" rule and "always do the opposite of what Katie Hopkins says" rule are now at odds and I don't know what to fucking do.
>>690819565
No! Read one of the dozens of leaflets that are currently on your doormat! Fear for your life!!
>>690817461
that's the kind of binary bullshit that they want you to believe... immigration is not really the key issue here but the sheeple have all swallowed the line that Brexit is all about stopping immigrants because they are all racists... so people will think
>c'mon guy.... don't be a racist
>vote in or you're a bad person
it's more about taking back control of our governmental policies and long term strategies for UK politicians (elected by the people) rather than obeying rules made by the un-elected officials in another country... this could be the last chance to get out before we're forever cucked by the EU dictatorship
>>690819288
>And all Michael Gove could say is that he's sick of listening to these Experts. Which just shows how fucking stupid the people running the leave campaign are
They're not stupid. They know exactly what they're saying.
>>690819744
Agreed. But it's a lot easier to shout VOTE REMAIN and pretend you're being all patriotic.
>>690819601
Nothing. The treaty of Rome let's the Irish work and live in the uk. Best of both worlds. The Irish Embassy Already has a year back log in the uk for Irish passports.
>>690819774
Cameron has previously stated we should lesve the EU, does that help?
>>690819601
Yea you have the choice of which passport to use at any given time, so if it made it easier for you to use an Irish one at any given time then you use that one.
>>690819628
Astrophysicist here btw. Well, planetary scientist technically. You can relate to me. I can be your friend?
>>690819288
Are you that dense, we a lot of goods from Germany and France, how many German cars do you see on our roads, we wont have to allow anything they need us more than we need them.
>>690819744
Remainers are already aware
Leavers don't care because they just want them immigurnts out
>>690819648
Brilliant.
>>690819744
>implying anyone here is open minded enough to change their stance
>>690819648
I don't trust anyone who's name is an anagram of 'Colon Help We'.
>fagget
>>690819037
There are two properties: size and growth. They are unrelated; large markets can shrink or grow, so can small markets. In terms of whether a market is useful to sell in, size is what counts. Growth only matters because it relates to how big the market will be in the future, so the EU, being the largest export market by far, can afford to shrink a bit while remaining the most important.
Of course, you wouldn't need this explaining if you'd thought for a second about it...
>>690819628
That's not the point I'm making.
I'm saying you need to start taking in information baring in mind how it'll effect you, not blindly following what a bunch of people say who have their own motives that are a world apart from your existence. From the complete lack of any arguments of your own you've presented it implies you're never going to be informed enough to make your own decisions, so carry on blindly following what rich people and politicians tell you to.
>>690819978
>>690820004
More or less what I expected then. Good to have confirmation though. Irish master race represent.
>>690820210
Stay stupid, little gimp.
>>690819774
I can see what you're saying, but it's not about David Cameron.
>>690819774
You're missing out on a lot of great pig sex m8
>>690819288
Yeah and I know a lot of people who want to leave who aren't retarded enough to know voting Leave is not voting for mass deportation. That's just another retarded notion attached to the leave campaign in an attempt to demonize people who want to leave and deter people from being categorised with them.
What has the EU done to prevent the 5 recessions we've experienced since we entered the EU?
>>690819985
Thanks, anon. All feels right with the world again.
>>690819774
Cameron is a twisted bloke but him and Osbourne know their shit
>>690819880
You're using the word "sheeple", which instantly suggests to me that you're something of a twat, but I will engage anyway.
You talk about taking back control. We have control in Europe. We have a veto. The politicians in the EU are directly elected by the European populace, or nominated by the governments of their country.
Whereas in the UK we have an entire unelected chamber of Parliament, the House Of Lords. And an unelected head of state whose opinion on this democratic matter is on the front page of The Sun tomorrow.
When politicians like Johnson, Gove or Farage say "Take Control" they mean "Give the power to us.". No thanks.
The whole democracy thing is a red herring. It's nonsense. My vote is one in 65 million in the UK, or one in 500 million in the EU. In the grand scheme of things, that doesn't make much difference.
>>690819288
John Oliver
The fact of the matter is our current leader is incapable of leading the country after leave, he has lost the public trust and will have to step down. The UK has a lot more sovereign wealth than you give it credit for, if only the government focused on building home grown industry instead of pandering to the Eurocrats.
We have billions of barrels of oil , newly discovered under Surrey, why should we give that away
>>690820521
The bankers who caused it are all okay, that's all that matters.
>>690819890
>They're not stupid. They know exactly what they're saying.
Telling people to not listen to experts is the most moronic thing I have ever heard a politician say. If you don't believe agree, next time you have an diagnosed lump on your testicles, ask your mate 'three pint Dave' down the pub, rather than an oncologist.
>There are people on this planet who know more about subjects than you.
>>690820188
>implying anyone here is open minded enough to change their stance
I'd listen to the glorious faggots on here rather than the knuckle dragging commenters on the daily mail.
>>690820188
I fear it's less about being open minded and more to do with being capable of critical thinking and assimilating information with respect to a framework more sophisticate than "hurr get the darkies out".
>>690802386
What's the matter eurofaggots? The United States brought together 50 different states including two not even connected. Civilized people can unite and work together and be better. We also did it over 200 years ago and you savages can't even do 30?
When will you stop being so selfish and destructive?
>same stupid style shit spouted about American guns
>start the next world war again already you hypocrite pussies
>>690820737
Good point most of the time it's nothing to worry about.
>>690820353
I may be stupid but my colon doesn't need help.
>>690820521
Human Rights laws agreed upon by all EU members have prevented us from publicly excecuting the bankers, that's enough reason to vote LEAVE!
>>690820890
America is literally a cesspool of failures
>>690820247
I have written plenty of stuff in this thread. This one's mine: >>690820589
Just on the whole, the economic argument is won and over. Even the Leave side know this. Which is why they're banging on about immigration instead. I can't be arsed to explain it to you. It should be bloody obvious. You turn your back on your main trading partners, and try and start from scratch, assuming they'll still want to give you a good deal, you are inevitably going to fuck your economy. All politicians and economists agree. There are no descenting voices that don't have a vested interest in the Leave campaign.
>>690820106
About 45% of our exports go to the EU: so we need the EU approximately a fuckton.
About 8% of EU exports go to the UK: no EU country wants to stop trading with us (or get unfavourable conditions) but get a grip - we need them literally 6x as much as they need us.
All this info is freely available from the ONS/Eurostat.
>>690820210
I don't trust anyone who doesn't know the difference between who's and whose.
>>690820890
Literally the first American I've seen not promoting an ultra nationalist agenda. Wew
Any one gonna realise that some people are making a decision based on how it will effect them and shouting 'but the sand monkeys are gonna come!' and 'you're just a racist if you want to leave' is fucking stupid and you should listen to why they're voting that
>>690820521
>What has the EU done to prevent the 5 recessions we've experienced since we entered the EU?
That's a good point. Probable remain voter here btw. How could you judge whether we would have fared better or worse through those recessions in the EU though? I don't know a fucking thing about economics.
>>690820890
Amen. America built a nation on immigration. Became the biggest economy in the world.
>>690820737
Yes it's a dumb statement. It's also a very purposeful and considered one. The likes of Gove and Johnson and Farage are happy to reel off exactly what Three Pint Dave would say because there's a demographic to which such statements will directly appeal.
>>690821342
I personally judge the severity of a recession by the World Wars that we have after it. So far two before the EU, and zero since.
>>690820890
But you also managed to piss off half of eastern Europe and 90% of Asia in the process. Not to mention 'beining people together' while killing all the natives
>>690821123
And assuming that our biggest trade partners are going to shoot themselves in the foot by ignoring us is naive; you understand it'll hurt them just as much as it'd hurt us?
And I honestly don't think as a Remainer you can talk about 'vested interest', when your own government is actively campaigning and spending taxypayers money to skew a democratic process in their favour, when their job is to help us make an informed decision. They're lying to save their jobs, and you're just as gullible believing them.
>>690821132
Yes 45% , so they need our goods so they wont refuse to trade.
You also miss the fact that we pump in fuck loads of money , 2nd only to Germany to support the states , that will hit them hard and they will want to bridge the gap with trade and the only way we can do that is support more home grown industries and create more jobs. With no tariffs the prices of food etc will go down making the cost of living cheaper.
>>690820589
>And an unelected head of state whose opinion on this democratic matter is on the front page of The Sun tomorrow.
She was probably using it as a conversation starter. The palace will make a complaint and The Sun will apologise, as usual.
>>690802386
Bongs never could run a self-sufficient economy. Originally they relied on raids on the mainland, then on immigrants, then on empire funnelling in resources, then the US pouring WW monies back in, and then when the iron bitch strode in to town with reagan, shutting down industry, outsourcing all the work to asians, and skimming off the top.
Leave the union, faggots. It'll be hilarious when it;s time to put our own economy back together and all anyone knows how to do is run chip shops.
>>690820521
You know the EU pays financial assistance to EU member states in financial trouble right?
>>690820950
This one is, it's huge, weeping and attracting curious dogs. You can't hide it any longer.
>>690820869
>I'd listen to the glorious faggots on here rather than the knuckle dragging commenters on the daily mail.
Pretty much this. Even with all the obvious bait and shitposts, I can at least expect a higher level of critical thought (or at least some entertaining banter) than I'd ever get off a publication's comment section.
>>690821765
That's not a preventative measure. And as one of the better economies in the union Britain is always going to get disproportionately less.
>>690820890
I'm from Spain and I love the UK (they are the only ones in Europe who don't talk gibberish languages I cannot understand lol).
But the imbalances between the richest and poorests states in Europe is a lot bigger than the imbalances that there were ever in the USA.
Besides, we all don't share the same culture. Even if we aren't as different as some wanted it to be, these imbalances can create economic bubbles as happened in Southern Europe and tradding imbalances as between Germany and the rest.
I'd support a United States of Europe but I don't think it makes sense to compare the EU with the USA.
>>690821680
They will, thereally will be cheaper alternatives in the EU. It would also take a long time to organise trade agreement's. It's not as simple as just driving a van over a boarder.
>>690821671
It won't hurt them as much as it hurts us. They can all trade with each other, and leave us in the cold. That is what "going it alone" entails. If you're playing a game of football, and sulk off cos you're playing badly, the game doesn't stop. Everyone else keeps playing. Your loss is barely noted.
They are not spending any more tax payers money on the Remain campaign that Leave are spending. They both got £600k. Everything else is all financed separately. Please do your research.
>>690820589
>>690821123
OK so I apologise for using sheeple... I have no excuse for such faggotry I just know it's annoying as fuck so I threw it in there :p
but it's not about Dave, Boris and Farage... this is about the long term future and if we have to take a financial hit in the short term then it's worth it... others will follow if we leave
>>690822051
You realise that recessions pretty much go hand-in-hand with capitalism, right?
Unless the market is regulated far more tightly than anyone with power will tolerate, on a global scale, there will be recessions.
>>690822077
Please don't turn this into a porn thread, there's so much fucking porn on 4chan right now haha
>>690821680
No, the ECB will bridge the gap by printing money.
I hate printing money, but as the USA, the EU could get away with that.
>>690822177
And what incentive do they have to leave the 5th largest economy out in the cold, it would hurt them.
Alright so the Remain campaign didn't spend 9million of the taxypayers money to send leaflets to each individual household explaining why we should remain? The remain campaign is funded by the big backs and what you call 'vested interests'. Once again a remainer dismissing other opinions by entailing they are uneducated and misinformed. Brilliant.
>>690822435
I apologize gentleman.
I agree. The thread about VR/Valve turned into a thread about asian vs. latina feet.
I don't have a dog in this fight (American), but I have a question.
Britain has a long and impressive history of industrial and cultural growth that was drawn long before membership in the EU. On the premise that your growth has stagnated following joining the EU, why would you continue to remain?
Remain voters: what would you characterize as the single greatest benefit for YOU to remain?
I'm a 3rd generation paki, and according to "three pint dave" if I don't vote leave all the people from low tier euro countries (such as spain according to dave) will take my shelf stacking job.
>>690822389
My point is, the scaremongering regarding the impending recession if we leave means nothing when it's already proven being inside the EU wont prevent it. There are going to be reccesions either way.
>>690822149
We don't need trade agreements to trade , we already trade with China and the US without them, they help but are not necessary.
If we leave , prices in the EU will rapidly increase due to the lack of funding for it, the EU wont be able to accommodate all the price fixing and tariffs with that amount of deficit. It will start the collapse of the EU. Even if we stay the EU is doomed to fail , Italy just recently reported last week a possible risk of bankruptcy.
>>690822051
There's no more preventative measures they can give us than advice and financial support.
You and everyone would moan if more EU members started getting more involved in an effort to stop things like that. That's one of the things leavers are moaning about, 'control' you can't have no control and then moan about a lack of preventative measures because there's nothing more they can do.
>>690822211
I don't believe that. It's a simple as that. The EU may fragment after we go, but I think that is more bad news financially. And we won't be rewarded by our current trading partners for it. It's simple human nature. The Leave campaign only have conjecture and supposition, yet Remain have every Head of State of our allies and trading partners across the world begging us not to do it. I don't think that's a coincidence or sour grapes. They get it. And you don't.
>>690822616
Yah I was in /b/ earlier and there wasn't one thread that wasn't about porn related
>>690821708
>She was probably using it as a conversation starter.
That's the impression I got. Asking people's opinions on current events is probably way more interesting to her than arguing about who's the biggest cuck on Game of Thrones or whether or not the trouble with Arsenal is that they're always trying to walk it in.
>>690822389
Actually, grand increases in regulation tend to prolong and increase the frequency of recessions in an actual capitalist economy.
But that's a discussion for another thread.
>>690821680
In what world does the country which stands to lose money by backing out of a deal have more bargaining power?
If Germany can't buy British... whatever the fuck we make, let's say carpets, they'll just buy carpets made in Germany or somewhere else. They won't be the exact same, but they'll do. In the meantime, we'll have lost all that delicious GDP we would have got selling carpets. Our economy shrinks, carpet-makers lose their jobs, and everybody in the UK suffers. In the meantime, Germany has to make do with slightly less shaggy carpets. Boo-hoo.
The more you export, the more you have to lose.
The contribution to the budget we make isn't just for fun, it's because we get benefits from it, from trade and direct EU investment. The EU will no longer have to provide this if we leave.
I literally cannot fathom how people can believe we'd be in a strong bargaining position if we leave. Just think of the numbers: it's one country against 26. Who do you think is going to suffer a worse economic shock if negotiations break down?
>>690822461
printing more money makes will make inflation rise and reduce the value of bonds , which reduces the EU's ability get money from bonds , who will want to hold them?
>>690822620
Being able to get a client anywhere in the EU and being able to travel to them and do my job tomorrow with no license fees or other bullshit
>>690822859
>Arsenal is that they're always trying to walk it in.
I too watch The IT Crowd.
>>690822077
USA has the largest wealth disparity and least economic mobility ib the world as of a couple years ago. And we dont even give a fuck, cause it's all just part of the game. Some win, many lose, if you don't like it, don't play, and gtfo, is how our ideology keeps on ticking.
>>690823034
Thank you.
Do you feel the EU needs Britain more, Britain needs the EU more, or is it mutual?
>>690823148
I don't think you're going to get an unbiased opinion for that one, friend!
>>690808795
> this
I've always seen the EU much like a bank account that you pay for. Yeah you pay for it but you get a lot benefits out of it. Like access to the common market and commons standards which means you can easily sell goods and services across all the countries in the EU.
Leaving the EU would mean a two year consultation and then we would have to negotiate trade agreements with the EU. These things take years - experts are suggesting at least a decade to fully finalise (Switzerland is still negotiating and they have been trading it ehc common market outside he EU for 30+ years).
Not only this, we lose influence within the region. Furthermore, anyone who says that it will curb immigration is lying. We aren't part of the Schengen agreement. - hence why we have border control. This also not including the 3 million people living and studying in the UK we have to work out what to do with, as well as the 2 million Brits abroad in Europe who would maybe have to come back?
Leaving the EU will:
1. Lose us influence
2. Hit businesses as they will have to create separate standards to sell
3. Increase the prices of utilities and everyday items Inc.food
4. Reduce our security
>>690821671
If we leave, we have to find someone else to buy 45% of our exports, or lose that money and those jobs. That's fucking hard to do. Some businesses will be unable to and just fold.
If we leave, the countries of the EU will have to find somewhere else to sell 8% of its exports. It will have no trouble because not only is it much less, it has 26 countries in a convenient free fucking trade zone that can do business with each other.
>>690822719
Why are you trying to compare a typical recession (they crop up every 30 years or so) to one that we will most likely directly cause through our own actions in the event that we leave the EU?
How do you not see the difference?
>>690823295
I didn't expect so! But I wanted to ask.
<3
>>690822589
Because they want to prove us wrong and keep the EU together. In the short term, anyway.
The remain campaign didn't spend that £9 million. The government did. You might (understandably) object to that, but it was before the official campaign started. I think we can call that one a score draw, as I take your point, and was being facetious.
>>690823047
Spoken like a true cuck. Good goy.
>>690823017
As long as Germany and few others are part of the EU, a lot of people.
For the same people the USA prints A LOT MORE than the EU ever did, and you still sell bonds as crazy.
I'm a game dev, I moved to the UK a year ago. I hope they stay because leaving would fuck over me and the company
>>690822589
What incentive? How about discouraging anyone else from leaving the club?
What about they don't have to leave us out in the cold, they just have to threaten to because it would hurt us far more than it would hurt them, because while we're the 5th largest economy, that doesn't include the EU, which is nearly 6 times larger.
The bigger guy at the negotiating table has more power in the negotiation.
>>690823335
Why do you think it would be so hard to find other places to sell our goods when the growing economies are all outside the EU, the EU only makes up a small proportion of the global economy.
>>690823034
Also, 15 million brits can visit Spain every year in a safe environment without too much hassle :)
>>690822824
oh yeah I get it... so all the rich corrupt people get to keep their nesteggs nice and fat while the poor keep getting screwed over, I'm not surprised they all want to remain
Vote Out
>>690822981
On what planet do you think that pumping money into a system that supports failing states as our own country goes rapidly into decline is a good deal?
If they could buy carpets (for example) in Germany , wouldn't it make more economic sense to be doing that already?
The more you export the more revenue comes in , basic economics, buy and sell for margin.
The benefits are little and far between , consider us exploited , we would be far better off on our own, just google surrey oil as an example.
>>690822931
Sure, another thread. If you could chuck a source or two my way though I'd be interested to read more. My understanding was the opposite.
>>690822620
For me? I'll give my answer personal to me.
I'm a current PhD student in the sciences and the majority (not all) agree that British science, and science in general benefits from being in the EU. First of all we get much more money for scientific funding than we give the EU, unless I'm mistaken it's almost doubled because we produce more top quality research than say, Romania, so get a larger share of EU funding.
But more than that, science is about ideas, and ideas come from people working on problems with different prospectives and approaches. I've worked with people from all across Europe and enjoy seeing this process happening and progress being made where there was none. Also free movement helps. It means the best people for the job can easily travel and work for short to long periods of time.
>>690822620
1. I can go and work in any of 28 other countries without worrying about visas or healthcare. As an academic this is huge.
2. Our country gets a huge economic benefit from being able to trade freely and with identical regulations. (i.e. we don't need to certify our products under separate EU laws to sell them there) If we leave we'll be poorer.
>>690823780
If we vote Leave, and recession hits, you don't think the super rich won't up sticks and fuck off? They're rich, remember. They can go wherever. You and I can't. If we cut off all our ties, and the economy crashes, it's regular joes like us who will bear the brunt. Believe me. Even arch leftie Jeremy Corbyn who hates the EU realises this.
>>690822719
What? We shouldn't worry about voluntarily inflicting a bonus recession on ourselves, because the EU can't protect us from recessions that afflict the entire world? Yeah sure.
>>690822077
Actually mi amigo, there are many different cultures in America all the while many different more melting into national and local cultures. There are entire communities that don't even speak, read nor write any English.
We also have our drastic differences in income and local GDP and potential GDP.
Yet, here we are United still. Yurotrash just needs to get off their high horses and get with 2016 and that doesn't mean handing your legacy over to mudslimes. It means euros coming together for a united Europe for euros. This is precisely why Russia carved you up once and is about ready to do it again and reclaim her satellites.
>>690823943
Indeed. If we're together we can produce more ideas together.
If we split and don't share might, that will only means more people going to share his ideas to California.
