Let's debate, /b/
>>690397468
White killing niggers = a good thing that has to be done
Nigger killing other people = TERRORIST DUH
>>690397468 did omar actively practice the muslim faith?
did dylann? i'm willing to make the assumption based on his skin color, it is likely he did not, omar however, preferred to join the sandnigger covenant
>>690397468
Something to do with pledging allegiance to ISIS. Racism is not terrorism.
>>690397468
But Omar Maroof is a terror.
>>690397687
kek
>>690397918
So did Dylann roof
But Roof is a terrorist.
>>690397468
why does it matter?
>>690397468
Omar did a better job because I don't even know who the other guy is without looking him up
Because that's the stereotype bows days.
>Be White, shoot up gay club
>America sad for a week then forgets about it
on the other hand
>Be Muslim/Foreign
>Shoot up gay club bc you hate gays
>Get called terrorist for life including his children and his wife.
>>690397468
Hating niggers is common sense not a political ideology.
>>690397468
Because Americans havent realized theyve been conditioned to associate the word TERRORIST with Radical Islamist, even though by definition they're both terrorists.
>>690397468
>Let's debate, /b/
sure. OP is a faggot. other opinions?
>>690397777
GTFO God whiteknight
>>690398779
New Fag detected
>>690397468
They are both terrorists. The only reason Roof isn't called a terrorist is racism.
>>690398704
/this
>>690397468
because he's less human than the white of us
>>690398269
Come back when you have grown up.
>>690398704
>radical islamist
>islamist
>implying one is less cancerous than the other
>implying americans should think any different
>>690397777
>Racism is not terrorism.
That doesn't mean that racists can't commit terrorism.
>>690397468
They both inflicted terror on civilians for the sake of religion/political beliefs/ideology so they are both terrorists.
>>690397687
Why don't you come back when you're 18.
I would say about 80% of media outlets called Roof a terrorist. But the SJWs only care about the 20% that didn't and are now even pushing the meme that Mateen was mentally ill.
These people are hypocrites and can't be trusted.
>>690398941
>whiteknight
>>690399250
>When the brainwashing propaganda too good
>>690399399
>>690398996
Muslim isn't a race. White Muslims who commit jihad are still called terrorists. The American bias against Muslims is bigotry, not racism.
>>690399962
>>690399455
>brainwashing
you must be immune to this and trying to help me be immune. thank you anon
>>690399455
>when the brainwashing so good that you ignore literally every indication of islamic savagery and inability to produce successful cultures
>>690397468
eh, they are kinda similar. Both were crazies latching on to an some type of ideology to commit mass murder. But if I remember correctly, Dylan's wasn't really a valid political movement. There weren't lots of others willing to die/ get jailed for the same cause. Maybe if he did this back in the 1950s when the KKK thing was much bigger, he would have been... but instead he trying to do something for a cause that's been long dead; therefore, he's just a crackpot.
>>690399430
I see them suggesting that since Mateen was gay, that means he wasn't true to the islamic faith and thus can't be a terrorist. Which goes against everything liberals usually say because it implies that terrorists are true muslims.
>>690397468
ill try to respond civilly
Anyone pledging allegiance to a foreign ideology (eg. ISIS, Islam) or who commits acts for political harm/gain. Those are the people known as terrorists. Good?
Because the one guy is brown.
>>690400186
The size of the movement is irrelevant to the motivation of the shooter. The motivation of the shooter is the only thing that matters in the definition of terrorism. They are both terrorists. And they are both crackpots. And they are both probably faggots. None of these things are mutually exclusive.
>>690397468
because one is a muslim...any other dumb questions?
>>690398704
>stupid americans
>letting people tell them shit
>even though everyone knows it is true
>fucking stupid americans
go to google images search terrorist
>>690397468
Read the definition of terrorist and you'll have your answer.
It really is an actual definition, faggot. It has meaning. I'm not going to tell you what it is. Go look for yourself, you lazy cunt.
Timothy McVeigh was white, and a terrorist.
>>690400215
The definition of terrorism is not limited to foreign or political. It can be any ideology - political, religious, or otherwise. And the origin of the ideology is irrelevant. When islamic terrorists blow up muslims in the middle east it does not cease to be terrorism because they are not foreign.
>>690400404
your definition only works if you are trying to dilute the meaning of terrorist. You usually refer to them as terrorists so that you can catch others about to do similar stuff. If Dylan was working with others, then call him a terrorist and catch the others. If he was totally a long gunman and has not other contacts... then what's the point of calling him a terrorist other than to fuck with the meaning? Calling someone a terrorist intrinsically means there will be others doing similar acts for the same ideology soon.
dont pay attention to the killer, but the victims, someone killed hella niggas and another one killed hella crackers, guess which one america goes nuts for!
>>690397468
It's terrorism if there's a credible threat that whatever they did is just the tip of the iceberg. One head on a larger hydra.
Neither of these guys are proper terrorists. One is a random violent racist, the other is a sociopath who got inspired by actual terrorists. ISIS just claims responsibility for this they have no control over. These guys' stories are over. They ended with a single incident. No leverage, no persistent threat, just the ramblings of some asshat with a gun as though the ability to throw your life away and take a few people with you is impressive.
>>690400712
Depends on which definition of terrorism you use.
https://www.fbi.gov/albuquerque/about-us/what-we-investigate
The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
By this definition Roof is a terrorist because he used unlawful violence to intimidate civilians in the pursuit of a social objective.
>>690400215
I said those are the people known as terrorists. The majority of common folk don't refer to most domestic ideologies as terrorist actions. If a Christian killed a bunch of people they wouldnt be labeled a terrorist by the news.
>>690401146
No, the definition of terrorist does not exist for the purpose of catching collaborators. Get that shit out of here. It exists to define an act. The definition is what the definition is. It is not dependent upon your subjective thoughts about whether defining him as such is useful in combating it. Would you not define a serial killer as a serial killer if doing so did not aid in catching others? Words have meanings. Those meanings are constant whether they aid you in your personal goals or not.
>>690401880
And yet if they did so in the name of ideology, they would still be terrorists by definition, regardless of whether the news used the term or not.
>>690401146
>Calling someone a terrorist intrinsically means there will be others doing similar acts for the same ideology soon.
Where is that exactly in the definition of terrorism? And are you seriously suggesting that nobody else has or is going to murder black people because of white power ideology?
Hate crime /= terrorism
Effectiveness is a mark of sanity.
One was an unbalanced child and the other a calculating man.
>>690401146
If someone kills dozens of blonde women in a ritualistic manner but then kills himself before his victims are ever discovered, what is the point in labeling him a serial killer? It serves no point in catching him because he is already dead so am I diluting the definition of serial killer by calling him such?
>>690397777
Checked
>>690401990
And yet OP's pic asks why they're KNOWN as terrorists. Obviously they're both technically terrorists. My definition explains that
>>690397763
Relatively fair to assume he had snapped seeing as he was a gay muslim living in a very religious household.
Reckon he wanted to redeem himself and decided to go out fighting jihad for a surefire ticket to heaven.
One was a lone lunatic, the other was working with an organization dedicated to spreading terror.
>>690397777
Witnessed
>>690397468
But I've heard bowl cut referred to as a terrorist.
>>690397468
because white people cant be muslims
>>690397687
>White killing niggers
killer of golden curls
But who is Dylan Rook?
>>690397468
because america is racist and white people are whats wrong with it lol.
>>690400208
>Mateen was gay
political strategy. make shit people kys each other
>>690397777
nice get but youre unfortunately autistic as shit. infact, omar is simply psychotic.
while dylan did it literally because they "had to go". you can try and argue w me on this but you are wrong if you do.
>>690403004
No it doesn't. It asks why one IS a terrorist and the other is not. You misread it.
>>690397468
niggers =/= people
>>690399250
>>690400512
you faggots dont get it.
through conditioning most white americans will assume you are a trrrorst if you are muslim.
>3 terrorist attacks caused by a muslim out of 130 this year.
think about that ya faggots.
>>690399786
if a person is brown with a beard he is a terrorist in america.
>>690399342
>babby's first attempt logic
>>690397468
let's be honest
neither one of them are/were terrorists
they didn't use fear to achieve a goal. They are/were pawns who used violence in what they believed would benefit a cause. they themselves didn't get anything out of their actions.
to call either one of them a terrorist is to give them power, and that's not a good thing.
>>690405899
No he's probably a cashier or in a gang. What's will all these autistics incorrectly telling anons what they think?
>>690405496
Are you implying that most ISIS/Al Qaeda member are not psychotic/sociopathic or a that subscription to a radical ideology and having a mental illness are mutually exclusive?
If we say that people with self hatred, anger issues, mental health issues, emotional problems aren't terrorists even if they spend lots of time reading terrorist propaganda, they meet with known terrorists, they tell coworkers that they are a member of terrorist groups, they pledge allegiance to a terrorist group, and they scout out potential targets for terrorist attacks including Disneyworld before finally killing 49 people in the name of ISIS - then nobody is a terrorist. Every terrorist had some underlying issue which drove them to extremism. Those reasons do not change the definition of terrorism.
>one kills blacks and the other kills gays
Both were doing God's work.
What's the debate?
>>690406303
/thread.
I don't eve know why this new 4chan hate these guys.
A bunch of media agencies called Roof a terrorist and he didn't even pledge himself to ISIL. Regressive liberals also defended the white woman who 'passed' as black last year. It's kind of like stupid extremists never shut the fuck up until they snap
>>690402530
have you read into the story of ofmar at all? they are both insane, assole. Omar literally went into a gay club and started shooting ony because they are gay and he hates gay people. Dylan went into a black church and started shooting only because they are black and he hates black people. if omar is considered a terrorist the psyhotic teen should too. but since dylan is considered a nutjob so should omar, because thats what they both are.
>>690405749
I'm curious to hear what you think the word 'terrorist' means
>>690405899
According to who? <1% of the population. Get that SJW shit out of here. I suppose you also think we live in a rape culture where rape is celebrated and encouraged and rapists get a pat on the back while rape victims are thrown in jail for being sluts. Stop pretending that the 1% of scum who hold radical beliefs represent American society. That's just as bad as the idiots who pretend that terrorists represent all of Muslim society.
>>690405899
No, if a person is brown with a beard they're a terrorist anywhere in the world. Faggot.
>>690406269
no im not implying that, because they gay club shooter isnt in isis.
>>690406683
>because they gay club shooter isnt in isis.
ISIL is full of boyfuckers and hires dancing boys. That's like saying a priest isn't Catholic because he molests kids
>>690406530
His motive wasn't purely because they were gay. Stop pretending like acts can only have one motive and that when multiple are present and confessed by the perpetrator, YOU are the one who gets to tell him what his REAL motive was. If his only motive was homosexuality then why was his first target disneyworld? Was he only going to shoot the gay kids?
Both are nutjobs and both are terrorists. Nutjob and terrorist are not mutually exclusive. One is virtually a prerequisite for the other.
>>690406540
shutup fag if i were brown, had a huge nasty beard, and a turban on, you would run away from me.
>>690397468
Dylan is terror
>>690406986
he was gonn shoot upndisney because walts a fuckin faggot.
>>690406683
And now you're implying that someone has to be an official member of a club to be a terrorist. The definition of terrorism has no affiliation prerequisite. His motivations are what make it terrorism.
>>690397468
>Media Jews arguing that Media Jews are inconsistent in how Media Jews report crimes in the (((news)))
>blames white people
Things Hitler did wrong:
1.) Nothing
>>690407338
no hes a terrorist while also being psychotic, but hes not in isis.
Terrorism, as a concept, is not bound to any race or religion. Terrorism is simply an act, violent or otherwise, meant to cause fear. So, whilst not in the traditional sense, y'know "Allalalala!". Dylann Roof is a terrorist.
Omar Mateen had ties to isis and was a jihadi sympathizer.
>>690408275
How do you define membership? ISIS invited him to join them in their propaganda. He accepted and did what they asked. He pledged his allegiance to ISIS. ISIS publicly says he was a member. Do you require that a formal contract be signed? Does he have to give someone a hand job to make it official?
>>690408275
Your shitpost just agreed with what anon said. Learn some fucking reading comprehension
>>690406986
>YOU are the one who gets to tell him what his REAL motive was.
Spoken like a butthurt snowflake
>>690400103
>inability to produce successful cultures
>attributed to religion as opposed to factors that are more relevant
lay off the crackpipe retard
If Dylan roof had ties to a larger group of people committing acts similar to his he would be a terrorist but as it is he's just a spree shooter. Saying Roof is a terrorist is like saying Kleybold and Harris are terrorists.
>>690397468
Dylann Roof hated niggers and acted on his own
Omar Mateen claimed to belong to a terrorist organisation who claimed responsibility for his actions.
>>690409069
They did terrorize an entire school, did they not?
>>690397468
Outside of the fact that they were both homosexuals, the had nothing in common. Multiple murderers are almost always gay.
Neither one of these two are terrorists, these two men are both heroes.
>>690409177
actually, he acted alone because he was mad about what happened to afghanistan. He even made a point of sparing gay niggers.
>>690408852
Spoken like someone who has no counter argument and must resort to random ad hominem insults.
>>690397468
whats with all these shooters and their shit tier hair cuts?
>>690409178
Acting like every act that incites terror is terrorism demeans the meaning of the word. You'd be terrified of you were mugged and beaten, are we going to count that as terrorism?
>>690409411
The difference in me being mugged and beaten and shooting up a school is that with one, the shooters want to send some form of message through murder and intimidation. If I were mugged, they just want my money.
>>690409411
No, because the muggers motivation was not political or religious ideology. That's the definition. It has to be unlawful violence, against civilians, to inflict terror, for political or religious ideology. Roof and Mateen meet all four. A mugger only meets two.
>>690409585
Fine then. If someone beat the living shit out of you to send a message by terrifying you, would you think that is terrorism? You're demeaning the impact of the word. You're like the people who think catcalling is equivalent to rape.
>>690398704
Has nothing to do with the fact once declared his allegiance with a terrorist organization and the other is just done out of hate......
Oh wait it has everything to do with it and your just ignorant
>>690409841
Yes, that would be the definition of terrorism. Why do you think IS behead foreign journalists? If IS beheads one UK journalist as a warning to the UK, would you consider that terrorism?
You're literally pulling strawmen left, right and centre with no consistency man.
>>690409679
Kleybold and Harris didn't have political or religious motivations. Are you still going to say they were terrorists or are you going to backpedal like you regressive a always do?
>>690409841
Were they instilling fear in you to further their political or religious ideology? If so then yes, that is terrorism. That's the definition of terrorism. The definition of terrorism defines who is a terrorist. That's how definitions work.
>>690410061
Look, you're purposefully avoiding the point. By broadening what the term terrorism covers, you are demeaning the impact of the word. Like I said before, it's equivalent to what sjws are doing to the term "rape".
>>690397468
because terrorist is a word used to exaggerate the news
>>690410152
Quit abusing the dictionary definition. We're talking about real life here. The dictionary definition of feminism is equality for men and women but we both know that's incorrect.
>>690397468
Probably because all the white kids that shoot up the school on the Range dumb asses while the fucking muslim has to follow the Quran
>>690399962
>>690410078
>Are you still going to say they were terrorists
When did I say they were terrorists? Terrorism requires that the action be done in pursuit of an ideology or movement. Psychopathy is not an ideology. White power and Jihad are.
Why the fuck would I be a regressive for calling Mateen and Roof terrorists?
>>690410365
the irony of your argument is that you qualify and demean the word more than anyone else. If it were up to you, it'd only apply in the context of Islamist movements, would it not? You qualify terrorism with an explicit profile of a terrorist and then attempt to lecture someone else on the 'demeaning' of the word. Don't act like it didn't exist before IS and Al-Qaeda and that it won't exist after they're long gone. The definition of the word was given to you explicitly.
Here's a further definition, as found in US legistlature:
"the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).
Would you call al capone a domestic terrorist?
>>690397468
White people cant be terrorists
>>690399995
off by 4
>>690399071
What the fuck? You must be new here
>>690410648
oh, and furthermore:
would you call the guy who shot Jo Cox a terrorist?
>>690410365
No. Rape has a definition which they are trying to expand.
Terrorism has a definition which you are trying to shrink. Terrorism requires.
1. Unlawful violence
2. Against civilians.
3. To instill terror or change behavior
4. in the name/interests of some ideology.
Tell me which of those requirements Roof or Mateen don't meet.
>>690405496
you suck at arguing. don't even want to argue it.. but obviously you weren't on the debate team or.. you are simply a massive homo-loser.
>>690410648
I never said only Islamic movements. You're assuming because you're a prick unable to understand how other people have different opinions. This is what I said>>690409069
>>690397763
only Muslims an be terrorists?
>>690397468
they both are
>Terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
>>690397468
Man, they're smashing that dude almost as hard as they are Donald Trump in the media.
Democrats are pathetic terrible people.
>>690411215
Then explain to me how you do not see Roof, who had explicitly political ends, does not fit your definition of terrorism.
>unable to understand how people have different opinions
all fair and good, but if your opinion is based on a bias or bullshit, I will bring your attention to it. It is up to you to do whatever you want to, but my conscience rests easy knowing I can point idiots in the right direction and leave it up to their personal discretion for them to do what they want.
Qualify other terrorist movements, and answer the two questions I posed. Let's see if your definition is built upon principles or on some vague emotion, much like the feminists you so hypocritically criticize.
>>690410648
Al Capone was not a terrorist. He was a mafioso and a mobster. You're over using the word. It's becoming another leftist buzzword just like problematic.
>>690411215
Terrorism requires no membership or affiliation, only the belief in an ideology. You can be the only one who holds that ideology and still be a terrorist. Here, let me quote the definition for the 100th time since nobody seems to be reading it.
"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."
>>690399995
he has a nice haircut ill give him that
>>690411510
A terrorist is someone who puts public safety at risk, to the point of killing them, for their own needs. Did he commit mass murder or shit, I thought he was just a drug boss. Druggies die all the time.
>>690411510
and the person that killed Jo Cox?
>leftist buzzword
have you not seen how often that phrase is ironically uttered by the right wing? Isn't it funny how you made buzzword itself a buzzword for things you don't agree with?
>>690411609
Terrorist doesn't require anything more than inciting terror in public. Hence the word. Dipshit.
>>690410920
Roof may be doing it for political or ideological reasons, but Mateen was doing the same yet in relation to a real tangible organization of people with similar ideas.
>>690411510
That was the point. He's not a terrorist. The leftists aren't the ones trying to make terrorism too broad. They're trying to make it too narrow in order to protect Muslims. This is kind of sad actually. The right is claiming the left is broadening terrorism to include roof while the left is claiming the right is broadening terrorism to include Mateen. lol, both sides are a bunch of mindless ideologues who can't understand simple definitions.
>>690411873
No, he wasn't. His motives were personal, based on what happened in Afghanistan. If he were doing it for IS, he would've killed gay people indiscriminately. He chose to avoid killing black gay people, citing the reason for undertaking his mass shooting as payback for afghanistan. But go ahead, refuse to see that, because it doesn't fit your little narrative.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641598/Surviving-friend-teen-murdered-Orlando-massacre-sobs-guilt-recounts-shooter-asked-black-people-bathroom-stall-hiding-spare-having-suffered-enough.html
>>690411501
I already explained it to you. Dylan roof had no ties to people with similar ideologies commuting similar acts and therefore I do not consider him a terrorist. I just consider him a spree shooter. I consider the IRA and FLQ to be terrorists yet they have no affiliation to Islam.
>>690411859
So when bears incite terror in campers they are terrorists? Learn to think. Then learn to read.
"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."
>>690397468
ones black, ones white.
Terrorist implies there's a cult or group with them.
When it's about right wingers, they won't admit its part of their groupings, so call it mental illness when in reality, all terrorism is mental illness.
Playing up islamic terrorrism [one doens't really need to do that anymore] and down-playing right-wing fascist terrorism
>>690397468
I think Dylann Roof is a homegrown terrorist, that's a fair enough call
He tried to use fear and violence as a political statement even though he was dumb inbred /pol/ack
>>690412136
and I've explained how Mateen falls under the exact same category as Dylan.
>>690411873
So? Quote me the part of the definition that says it only counts if you're an official member of a tangible organization.
>>690412017
Absolutely agree with you fam. Tbh I think the whole term is silly.
>>690411859
Is a bear going into a public venue and mauling people to incite terror? No. Bears don't think that much. You dumbass.
>>690412136
That's fine. You can make up your own definition of terrorism. Meanwhile the real definition does not require membership in any organization.
"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."
>>690411789
>assuming I'm right wing
There we go another typical left wing act. You people make everyone ashamed to be liberals.
>>690412321
>>690412146
Meant to reply to this dude. Your encroaching on a bears land when your camping bro, bears are just being bears.
If your a person going into public venues and inciting terror, you're a terrorist. That's the literal definition. K?
>>690412248
Look at the social scope of America, we're a decade or so fresh off of 9/11, if you're wondering why one person was called a terrorist and the other wasn't, it's because of foreign relations.
Whether or not you should is a different story.
>>690412090
Quit denying the fact that he had ties to daesh. He'd pledged allegiance to them for fucks sake.
>>690412167
>Terrorist implies there's a cult or group with them.
That may be how you think of terrorism in your mind but the actual definition requires no group membership.
"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."
>>690398205
Right. He's a terrorist strictly because he's a shitskin. He called the police, mid rampage, to declare allegiance to ISIS. We're not assuming any terrorist ties with him, he's making it perfectly clear for us.
>>690412449
Good job avoiding the question of Jo Cox for the 3rd time.
Oh, and what about Britain first? Does this not qualify?
http://www.britainfirst.org/press-release-britain-first-to-target-muslim-elected-officials-in-direct-action-campaign/
>>690412618
>he had ties
>carried out attack in the name of them
there's a big difference there fam
>>690412364
The definition was not intended to be used so broadly you idiot. Jesus Christ you're like a pestering child.
>>690412827
Did they hit him back up?
Cause They were niggers, and not Faggots.
>>690412547
They were both widely called terrorists. They are both terrorists by definition. I'm simply arguing against the right wing sheep who are saying Roof wasn't a terrorist and the left wing sheep who are saying Mateen wasn't a terrorist. And frankly, I have no fucking idea why either side feels they need to exclude either one of them.
>>690412827
He called the police and told them he was doing it in the name of ISIS. Witnesses said he was shouting allahu akbar.
>>690412707
I don't know who the fuck joe cox is bud. I don't give a semblance of a shit who he is.
>>690412880
Yeah, I agree. There's domestic and foreign terrorism. Both are terrorism.
>>690397468
Dylan was a lone wolf who was not part of a bigger plan/movement to destroy christianity.
Omar on the other hand followed a religion who seeks world domination trough violence and death. So Dylan was just a looney who killed a bunch of people without a bigger plan while Omar did the shooting from the believes of a bigger plan to conquer everything that is non-muslim.
>>690397468
There's a difference between trying to instill fear into people and just wanting to kill niggers.
>>690412707
If they commit mass killings or kill elected officials then I'd consider them terrorists yes.
>>690413050
He's still a terrorist.
They're both terrorists. One foreign, the other domestic.
One is a dirty muzzy and the other is an autistic sperglord
>>690413040
Screaming fire in a crowded movie theater is terrorism bro.
>>690412847
According to who?
The definition defines how broad it is. That's how definitions work. If your highness wants to redefine the word to be less broad the maybe you should issue a royal decree.
>>690412939
burden of proof lies on you, prove it.
>>690412967
She was a member of parliament that was shot and killed by a member of Britain First this week.
>>690397468
Omar Mateen is an extremist and Islamic sympathizer.
Dylann is an extremist.
>>690413271
Only matters if the media can convince masses that it's true mang.
>>690413263
You're too dense to argue with bud. All you do is repeat the same comment.
>MUH DICTIONARY IS MUH HOLY BOOK
>>690413271
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/
"It's not the only time Mateen invoked ISIS during his rampage early Sunday. In the middle of killing 49 people, Mateen also called 911 to pledge allegiance to the terror group and CNN affiliate News 13 to say, "I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State.""
Yeah. You're ruined in this discussion.
>>690413215
Maybe if you split hairs.
But the point of terrorism is to strike fear. Dylan didnt achieve that because he isnt part of a bigger plan. Christians in America are still safe in church.
Muslims on the other hand are constantly attacking the west with bombings and shootings, mostly on typical western things like wtc, gayclubs, rock concerts, bars, stadiums etc. There is a big difference.
>>690413347
I'm assuming your info is extremely biased but if it's true then it's an act of domestic terrorism.
>>690398704
This.
>>690413449
LOL, how silly of me to keep insisting that the dictionary is evidence in a debate about the definition of a term. Next time I'll try to stick to purely emotional arguments so that it's a more fair fight.
>>690412017
True. It's 2016. We should stop distinguishing between the left and the right when both are clearly and demonstratably retarded.
It's time to lead a policy of reason, without people being forced to pick sides and retarded shit like that.
>>690397468
Because niggers aren't humans.
>>690406523
>A bunch of media agencies called Roof a terrorist
This. It's like people aren't even paying attention when make this SJW shit up. Just like the "thug means nigger" bullshit despite thug having a very specific referent, namely related to criminality. Sorry niggers relate to criminality so profoundly, thug still just means thug. Terrorist too has a very specific meaning, and it's not "he/they did something terrible."
>>690413538
>But the point of terrorism is to strike fear. Dylan didnt achieve that because he isnt part of a bigger plan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
"He later confessed that he committed the shooting in hopes of igniting a race war."
Why do people talk about things they know nothing about? Why did you do it? Why did you say something so easily checked?
>>690413215
You didn't read what he said, yes they are both terrorist but they have different motives. omar reason to kill all those people was for Allah while Dylan killed those people was because he was a looney.
REEEE REEEE REEEE I'm about to go on a killing spree, call me Dylan Roof cause I'm making niggers go poof. That's a rare quality, commodities cause these niggers to hate my philosophies. Forty-five, they won't leave the building alive. Hold up, wait an hour, then go screaming white power. It was a bible study, and they all fell like silly putty. I'm a fan of Rhodesia, shout out to Felicia (who's probably got amnesia). Ya'll need something to pray about? This glock about to spray about. Hey N-double A-C-P, remember this before you niggers decide to fuck with me
>>690413370
>Omar Mateen is an extremist and Islamic sympathizer.
He was also an actor.
>>690397468
Omar Mateen had a hate-filled motive to induce shock and fear for some agenda (killing faggots). That's the definition of terrorism.
Dylann Roof was a deranged pussy-faggot who grabbed his mother's gun and shot children because he's headfucked.
It's the same thing really. One, though, was under the flag of Isis. They have just got the label terrorism. It's like a trademark.
What Omar did was terrorism, What Dylann did was a crusade
easy
>>690413798
>"He later confessed that he committed the shooting in hopes of igniting a race war."
In that case he wasn't a terrorist. He was just a failed troll.
>>690413872
Look he is playing dead
>>690413887
Roof was the SC church shooter buddy, not Newtown school shooter
>>690413798
For the same reason that he'll ignore the evidence you just linked. He believes what he wants to believe. You haven't changed what he wants, so he'll go on believing it.
>>690414028
"Did I get the part, infadel?"
>>690413979
Oh my God dude just shut up.
>>690397777
lmao yes it objectively is you dumb faggot. I'm no libcuck but you're wrong
>>690413887
You got the wrong white boy. Are you trying to say we all look alike? Racist mofo
>>690397468
They're both terrorist with political and religious motives. The KKK have terrorist roots.
>>690414097
That is not evidence contradicting what other anon asserted. It was not an act of terrorism. Shooting a particular group of people, with some vague concept of what might follow doesn't fit the definition.
>>690414253
Racism is not terrorism. To suggest otherwise shows a poor understanding of both.
>>690413798
Maybe technically he is a terrorist but you are just arguing over meanings of words. He didnt strike fear now did he.
Also the meaning of terrorism has changed ever since the sandniggers started to attack the west. You are just trying to argue PC without using common sense.
Never the white guy involved in domestic terrorism.
Hispanics will be called on their gang banging and cartel affiliations. Niggas are guilty just for being alive. Asians still want revenge for locking their people up during ww2. But the white guy has always been the good guy to this point.
>>690414145
Look, the term terrorism pretty much clearly defined. You can't just call terrorist anyone you don't like or anyone that simply went to a killing spree.
Hoping to ignite a race war is not really terrorism, but it is most definitely a good indicator of the mentality of that person. protip: he was a moron.
>>690414253
Well he's right that racism is not necessarily terrorism. But killing innocent people to further racist ideology is terrorism.
>>690414385
>the meaning of terrorism has changed ever since the sandniggers started to attack the west
It's the same except now countries let the terrorists in and help cultivate the environment for them to prosper.
>>690414485
>>690414580
No, it still doesn't qualify as terrorism.
>>690414385
You are officially the dumbest person on 4chan right now. You were proven wrong, don't try to change the subject to something so maybe you can try and win that battle.
>>690397468
The news called Dylann a terrorist plenty you cheeky little whore.
>>690414467
the IRA does not exist you are right!
its just a ploy by jewish muslems in babylon to make white betas uncomfortable
>>690414470
>Hoping to ignite a race war is not really terrorism
You are so fucking retarded I feel physically sick.
>>690414385
>He didnt strike fear now did he
Maybe not in white people. But he struck as much fear in black people as any other terrorist attack does.
>>690414651
Which criteria does it not meet...
1. Unlawful violence
2. Against civilians.
3. To instill terror or change behavior
4. in the name/interests of some ideology.
>>690414884
BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH HE IS, AND HAS BEEN CALLED A TERRORIST BECAUSE HE IS, I DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT I AM WRONG ON AN ANONYMOUS MESSAGE BOARD
>>690414672
Lol stay mad whiteboy.
>>690414975
>HAS BEEN CALLED A TERRORIST
Don't swallow everything the media proclaims, anon, you might gag.
>>690414470
>Hoping to ignite a race war is not really terrorism
But hoping to ignite a holy way is? Both are done in pursuit of an ideological agenda. That is the definition of terrorism. You can argue that it should be changed, but until it is, you're stuck with it.
Only muslims can be terrorists. Everyone is going pc trying to make it something everyone can be so sandniggers don't feel offended.
"Governments like having loose definitions of terrorism for a couple reasons. Having a broad definition (or multiple definitions) increases a government’s options for responding. And once the government does label something "terrorism," it’s a surefire way to justify hard-edged responses to the public." - Walter Laquer - terrorism scholar.
>>690414470
ISIS' entire goal is to draw the entire world into a holy war with they think will bring about the end of the world so they can all go to heaven. That is their ideology and when they kill civilians to further that ideology, that is terrorism. Likewise, Roof is trying to bring about a race war. And when he kills civilians in the name of that ideology, that is terrorism.
Dylan Roof didnt have the intent of supporting a group of like minded individuals and to show anyone who opposes them what would happen.
also Omar is a sand nigger
>>690415112
You're a fool. Nobody is swallowing what the media says, you're just too stupid to understand that he is a terrorist and that I mentioned what the media said because people have been saying the media hasn't called him a terrorist.
You fucking make me sick with your average Joe advice. What typical drivel, and completely misplaced.
>>690397468
There is no debate dipshit, the one who commits mass murder for a political goal is a terrorist by definition.
>>690397468
Because Dylan roof did not meet the criteria of being a terrorist by definition Omar does
Is this that hard to understand? Are you really this dumb op?
>>690415625
>average Joe advice
Interesting assumption.
>>690415577
/Thread
>>690397468
Because he proclaimed allegiance to ISIS,
>>690415577
>Dylan Roof didnt have the intent of supporting a group of like minded individuals
That isn't a requirement to be a terrorist. Here's the definition AGAIN.
"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."
ITT: people who do not know what terrorism means
>>690400512
that face says "what have i done with my life?"
>>690415738
It's not an assumption you stupid cunt. It is the advice of an average Joe, whether the belief is wrong or right. I believe it, but it's such a cunty, typical, valueless thing to respond with, especially when you didn't understand what you were replying to in the first place.
>>690399786
>bias agianst Muslims is bigorty
> bias agianst people who follow a mass murdering child raping woman hating crazy man is bigorty
Like MLK said
If you tolerant intolerance, you are intolerant.
Islam is intolerance.
>>690416064
Again, you are building a character of me based entirely of assumption. You know that this place isn't solely the domain of people with no particular interest or authority on the topic?
>>690415639
Pfft, you people with your fancy "definitions." Where I come from, our words come from the gut. You communist socialist atheist muslim hippy war monger!
>>690397763
Terrorism means the use of violence in order to further political or ideological goal.
Anyone can be a terrorist you moron, being a mudslime is not a prerequisite.
Examples of Christian terrorists are the KKK or the IRA. Or even secular ones, like the socialist Kurdistan Workers' Party. Plus, modern terrorism tactics were probably invented by Mossad anyway.
Muslims are just the most numerous practitioners right now.
>>690397468
Dylann looks like a guy who had really hard life, so he just gave world what it deserves. He did not wanted to cause terror, so he is not a terrorist.
>>690416280
No assumption is being made, fucktard.
Calling you an average Joe is a reflection of my own personal experience, making the claim that your statement is extremely common to me. You don't get to decide if what you said is common to me or not. You are infuriatingly stupid. Hang yourself.
>>690397777
Quads know it
>>690416268
So it's ok of the right to be intolerant of Muslims because they are intolerant. So since I guess it's ok of me to be intolerant of the right because they are intolerant of Muslims. And if you're tolerant of the bible then you're intolerant since it is intolerant of gays and non believers. So since you're intolerant for being tolerant of something that is intolerant. The only way i can be tolerant is to be intolerant of you.
>>690416520
>You don't get to decide if what you said is common to me or not
I never suggested otherwise. You are as abrasive and irrational as you were incorrect in your classification of Roof. Huffington Post would probably take you.
>>690416714
I'm not tolerating your intolerance of my intolerance to other people's tolerance.
>>690405496
>Dylan did it because they "had to go."
I fail to see how you think that this is not being psychotic
>>690416520
Wait, are you insinuating that his argument is invalid or less valuable because it is common?
What is a hipster doing on 4chan?
>>690416829
Then what was the assumption, fagboy? Little fagboy, come on, tell me what I assumed.
But I think you're not going to tell me because you made a mistake and instead of admitting it, you're changing the subject and avoiding the question. ;)
>>690416932
And so you have proven your tolerance.
>>690397468
Because you can't say "Muslim Extremist" so now you just have to label every one of them a 'Terrorist".
ISIS isn't a "Terrorist" group, they are a military group made up of Muslim ideological extremists. But since you can't classify people anymore in terms of religion, you have to say "Terrorist".
When America dropped the bombs on Japan, we weren't "Terrorists". It's just a politically correct label which is bullshit. They literally just call any muslim with an AK that kills people a terrorist.
>>690417101
I would advise you to grow up but that would involve suspending disbelief this could be achieved easily. It is a shame you had to steer this into pettiness.