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Continuation of the communism / anti-communism thread
>>690116095
Well, what do you mean then? lay it out for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcXNXKtu8z4
>>690116431
One of these days, one of these days...
>>690116848
Yeah, how about no?
>>690116965
>Everything you need to know about socialism
Yeah kids don't actually study it you need to stay ignorant
>>690117126
>it's not my speshul snowflake socialism, so it's not real socialism!
>>690117126
>Politicians should control everything
That's state capitalism, my friend. It ain't socialism before the proletarian are in control.
>>690117350
nice strawman
I just pretend to be communist to piss off /b/ and it work every fucking time.
Reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
>>690117373
Oh here we go with the no true scotsman... It is indeed socialism as the means of production are controlled on behalf of the people. How is that not socialism?
>>690117489
kek, I pretend to be anarcho-capitalist to piss off the commies!
>>690117645
>not knowing what no true scotmans is
so i missed the earlier thread, so this has amlost certainly already been said but: wont work until we can stamp out corruption, which will still be a long time. will be a successor to capitalism, but not for a long, long time. we need to stamp out corruption first, and you do that by making it a much more serious crime than it is currently considered
>>690117738
>wont work until we can stamp out corruption
I would say that it would never work then as there will always be corruption in any system.
>>690117780
I agree that if communism randomly broke out right now in america, it might not last that long. But I think you're overestimating the time it would take to accomplish communism.
>>690117645
No, my friend.
>>690117927
Meant this reply for:
>>690117780
>>690117927
you might be right, it is human nature, it comes down to greed. i think it will still be hundreds of years, and several big failures of capitalism, before we get there
>>690118062
So the state wasn't controlling the means of production on behalf of the people?
>>690118217
but y hope is that corruption becomes such a serious crime that peope are less likely to do it. first communism, then world govmnt. itll take thousand years, which is sad, but probable
>>690118383
Why would the rich and powerful class allow communism to come about?
works okay in vietnam, but i dont know much about their human rights. China obvs has bad human rights record, which is hte prob with their current system
>>690118453
armed revolution. not anytime soon
>>690118217
Something something vanguard
>>690118235
I'd expect everyone to be well read enough to catch the Orwell reference...
>>690118612
but it happened in 1917, took down the romanovs. they were in power for i dont know how many hundreds of years. so there is precedent
>>690118675
vanguard? insurance company? or armies human shield
>>690118612
Mass murder then?
>>690118923
yes.
>>690118919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism
google is your friend.
>>690118923
>Billions of people die in capitalism due to lack of food or shelter. It's not capitalism fault.
>People die in communism (because humans never die) , it's some sort of war crime that is somehow communisms fault.
>>690119069
At least you're an honest commie. All about that mass murder and violence, eh? Gotta kill those eeeeevil rich people!
Communism isn't possible until a government has enough resources to support it, and non-greedy people to initiate and control it. This won't happen until the whole world unites in a single country. Which won't happen as long as people have extremely different opinions. Since people are being brainwashed to have their own 'special' identity, communism will probably never happen, and if it does it will be broken by a capitalistic country sooner or later. Most people are too self-centred to sacrifice themselves in order to help the society.
>>690119182
>>Billions of people die in capitalism
Citation needed.
>>690119131
you should probably use the correct word then, shouldnt you. fucking retard
>>690119233
change isnt peaceful. democracy had its revolutions, and you could call that mass murder too. history is written by the victors
>>690119262
>muh human nature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_intellectualism
People do what they think is right, if you teach a child that being greedy and taking everything for yourself is right from day he is born, he will believe it.
>>690119394
This
>>690119394
I for one condemn the French revolution.
>>690119434
im on your side, but i think that greed is actual human nature. one of those things that helped us to survive
>>690119434
That's exactly what capitalism teaches.
>money and brands are very important (although abstract), do whatever you can to acquire those
why do you even argue
let's all just be equal.
except for the niggers ofc, they're not people.
>>690119682
ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
>>690119602
I see that, but what I mean is that isn't true.
If I taught a human greed was good. He would be greedy
If I taught a child ethics and moral stances, and told him it was right, he would be ethical and moral to what he could be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_intellectualism
An-cap kiddies need to actually know something about socialism if they want to make intelligent critiques.
>>690119394
So it's okay when you commit mass murder, but bad when your enemies commit mass murder?
>>690119634
This,
capitalism teaches people that being greedy is good.
And give people a situation where being greedy is how you get rich.
Thus you get greedy people.
>>690116431
Why dont you eat my ass?
>>690119786
i do hope that youre right. China has been (kinda) communist for a couple of generations. those rich china kids are worse than the rich american kids,
>>690120053
What's wrong with greed? Greed motivates people to better themselves and get more out of life.
>>690116431
Would you accept comunism under the following pretenses?
>Guaranteed to work, system will not collapse
>Guaranteed job, shit but easy
>Free health care, education, housing to say lower middle class standards
>You'll never go hungry but your pantry will be pretty much fill of only stuff available only in the 1960's
>You get a wife like pictured, it's counterrevolutionary for her not to put out or divorce you, if anything happens you get an 18 year old as a replacement.
Neither left nor right, Fascism is a third alternative!
>>690120204
Greed causes people to starve.
>>690120022
nope. didnt take a moral stance, just stating how the world works
>>690120019
This has to be one of the silliest and misleading things I've ever seen! Where's the mentions about the mass murder and gulags?
There would be a case if people actually knew what communism is.
Now it's just smoke and mirrors, with any criticism deflected as "that's not real communism" even though that specific flavor of communism was installed by a group of intellectuals who studied communism for quite a long time.
But of course a jobless twat with a gender studies degree knows communism better than economics and politicians.
>>690120245
>Guaranteed to work, system will not collapse
Impossible, communism always collapses.
>Guaranteed job, shit but easy
Why would I want to work a shit job?
>Free health care, education, housing to say lower middle class standards
Nothing is "free" you moron.
>You'll never go hungry but your pantry will be pretty much fill of only stuff available only in the 1960's
Ever seen the breadlines in communist nations?
>You get a wife like pictured, it's counterrevolutionary for her not to put out or divorce you, if anything happens you get an 18 year old as a replacement.
So no love? Typical lefty.
>>690120356
What do mass murders and gulags have to do with government?
There are been many captalist societies with mass murders.
And there have been socialist societies with mass murders.
It's not the governments fault.
leaviing now to play with my kid. but lets talk abou this again. you guys are the smartest people on /b. sorry that's not saying much, but still, this was fun
>>690120301
People need to work to eat, what's wrong with that?
>>690119786
That's all true, but people are still being taught that getting rich is all that matters, and that will never change until capitalism breaks.
>>690120204
Greed motivates people to look for their own self interest instead of helping anyone else. Greedy people are egoistic and think they deserve more than others. Just because someone is greedy doesn't make them right to be.
>>690120344
>I support mass murder, but I'm not taking a moral stance
>>690116431
Fucking Westerosians discussing about communism....
>>690120516
edgy
>>690120516
>>690120541
Gulags only exist in communist nations, and communist nations were far FAR more violent with the mass murders than any capitalist nation ever.
>>690120628
This is what I mean.
>>690120356
Under "State Capitalism"
I find it amazing that in literally no other subject will you find complete novices walking into a classroom, declaring that the experts know nothing, and confidently making ridiculously false statements about the topic like a crazy person. This only happens when economically-privileged Western children are asked to question the underlying power structure of their society.
Communism ho!
>>690120628
>Greed motivates people to look for their own self interest instead of helping anyone else.
Agreed. What's wrong with that?
>Greedy people are egoistic and think they deserve more than others
Because they do deserve it, they work harder.
>>690120599
Nothing, but there's also nothing wrong with helping those who have no resources to start working and are starving. That's like saying doctors shouldn't help the injured because shit just happens and they shouldn't have gotten injured in the first place. Humans are a social race which survives by helping each other.
>>690120516
ffs it's a for argument's sake...
>>690120748
You do know there were indeed food shortages in communist nations, right? Bread lines were a thing.
>>690120898
No one "deserves" any more than anyone else.
Everyone deserves the same thing, we are all equal humans.
Unless greed stops and people stop being lazy sacks of shit communism will have a chance of success.
of course that'll never happen because nobody is as dedicated and resourceful as a lazy slacker who absolutely does not want to work for his welfare checks.
>>690120898
implying greed is working hard... back to special ed, boy.
>>690120898
>criminals work harder by stealing from people
You're right, we should all become thieves because being greedy is the definition of good.
>>690120846
>communism didn't work out?
>call it state capitalism!
Easy peasy! Never take responsibility for the failures of one's ideology.
>>690121001
aye, famines suck
>>690120776
i'm no commie but this is the most naive thing i've read all day.
OP of the original thread here
What did I begin...
>>690121021
>Everyone deserves the same thing, we are all equal humans.
And this is the exact point where it all goes downhill.
>>690120776
>what is death sentence
>>690120987
>but there's also nothing wrong with helping those who have no resources to start working and are starving
There is something wrong with that if you're taking from others without consent to support the poor. That's theft.
>That's like saying doctors shouldn't help the injured because shit just happens and they shouldn't have gotten injured in the first place.
Doctors get paid, you know that, right?
>Humans are a social race which survives by helping each other.
You've never studied evolutionary psychology, have you? People are purely egoistic, they only work together when it benefits the individual.
>>690121199
Do we not?
>>690121021
So a NEET deserves the same outcome as a hardworking doctor?
>>690121094
There are clear historical reasons why the Russian Revolution ended in state capitalism rather than a transition to a socialist economy. After a period of attempting Soviet democracy, Lenin realized that a society of feudal serfs could not take command of their political and economic lives, so a period of state-run capitalism was needed for industrialization and to create the proletariat culture necessary for socialism. The historical reason why the USSR was state capitalist rather than socialist / "communist" is that you can't go directly from feudalism into socialism.
>>690121084
Where did I I mention thievery? Are you going on about that silly "all property is theft" nonsense?
>>690121119
Famines caused by statist policies.
>>690121323
How many people are on death row compared to how many millions were killed in communist nations?
>>690119182
>Billions of people die in communism due to lack of food or shelter. It's not communism fault.
fixed it for you bro
>>690121550
>famine happens in captalism, no one gives a fucking shit
>famine happens in the ussr, then it means communism = bad
>>690121638
What'd you fix? Exactly? I really don't see your point there.
>>690121486
Translated: "IT WASN'T MY REAL COMMUNISM!!1!!1!!!! THEREFORE IT WAS CAPITALISM!!1!!!!!!"
Grow up kid. Communism kills, communism fails.
>>690117274
kek
>>690121330
Food is being overproduced anyways, and a lot of it is thrown away to keep the prices stable. Why not give that food to those who can't afford it? Nobody is being robbed that way.
Helping the group is almost always also beneficial to the individual.
>>690121358
being human is irrelevant to the contributions they bring.
Reward is based on your contributions, not just on your humanity.
The only thing that could be argued for would be minimal living standards, but that's a different matter.
>>690121699
Capitalism doesn't cause famines, communism does through stupid top down policies.
>>690121801
I really hope you're only attempting to troll me, because I don't want to believe that people this willfully ignorant and anti-intellectual actually exist.
>>690121819
>Why not give that food to those who can't afford it?
Absolutely disgusting. Why would anyone buy food then? Just wait for the food to be given away for free after some time.
>Helping the group is almost always also beneficial to the individual.
What you propose is slavery to the group. Fuck the group, I want to live for myself, not have my life dictated.
>>690120249
porn, cartoons, weed and dead sandniggers capitalism for the win!
>>690121486
It should also be noted that Marx himself thought that a first country that would start moving toward communism would be one of the most industrial ones, i.e. UK or Germany, because of what you said.
>>690121922
The state controlled the means of production on behalf of the people, that's socialism/communism. It's not "state capitalism". Your attempts to shift responsibility away from communism is laughable.
>>690117274
Please tell me the name of the episode u cunt
>>690122036
>>690122036
>you still think you're a special snowflake
>>690122036
This is what's wrong with capitalism. Group is more important than the individual, you idiot.
>>690122223
Actually your pic is true. If you get everything given to you for "free", why would you ever provide for yourself or better yourself?
>>690122036
>Everyone can starve except for ME, because IM SPECIAL
>>690122402
The fuck are you getting that from? Capitalism is all about individualism!
>>690122586
Do tell, if I want a car, do I deserve one to be given to me for free?
>>690122566
>why would you ever provide for yourself or better yourself?
To add on this, just look at Africa.
>>690117645
It's called bureaucratic collectivism
>>690122700
If I had the ability to give a car to everyone that wanted one, I would, and yes, even you.
>>690122153
The state controlled the means of production, but the people had absolutely no control once the authoritarian command economy was set up. The state was running the economy in lieu of private capitalists as a capitalist economy. There are very clear differences between what socialists want and Stalinism. Socialists envision worker-OWNED and worker-MANAGED enterprises as the backbone of the economy. That is, democratically owned and operated. On a macroeconomic level, the decisions about necessary labor hours and economic output should have been made by the people, not by state bureaucrats. There are very, very good reasons for calling it state capitalism instead of socialism, and none of them have to do with the redefinition of socialism.
Socialism is the emancipation of all classes through the democratization and socialization of the economic substructure. All ruling classes will be eliminated by socialism - and that includes ruling classes of state bureaucrats.
>>690122700
A car isn't necessary to live unless you need it for a job, in which case yes you should be given one by your employer until you stop working.
>>690116431
Communism doesn't work, but neither do capitalism. Both systems are flawed on their own.
>>690123092
What a delightfully vacuous claim
>>690122760
Again, "not MY communism!"
>>690122869
Someone never studied economics...
>>690122999
So you only get things if you need it for a job? Aren't you a monster.
>>690123603
Someone never tried to be kind...
>>690123603
>>690123700
If you get those for free, why am I a monster?
https://youtu.be/yP-ccJAoHNw?t=9m48s
>>690123781
It's not great~ But it's the best we have!
>>690123773
Kindness has its limits.
>>690122935
>The state was running the economy in lieu of private capitalists as a capitalist economy
Well duh... It's either an economy run by the people (capitalism, the free market), or it's run by the government on behalf of the people (communism, totalitarianism). You really know nothing about how the world works, do you?
>>690124015
Human nature requires that we be ruled by a king, obviously. Liberal democracy would be chaos.
>>690124127
>>690124127
>muh human nature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_intellectualism
Humans will strive to do right if they know what is right.
>>690123773
"Kindness" is just being a sucker being used by others.
>>690123875
Because you're saying that one shouldn't get any property/possessions outside of what one needs to work. No TV, no internet, etc.
>>690123781
Ironic coming from someone saying we should have a system of slavery to the government.
>>690124160
Private capitalism isn't run by the people. It's run by the owners of capital. Oh, wait. Let me guess - you think that's "crony" capitalism. LOL
>>690124192
This is close to what the founding fathers believed in which is why the states are far from democracy.
>>690124414
No, that's not what we say. That's what you insist we are saying because you're incapable of listening.
>>690124434
>implying people can't own stock
You really know nothing about the economy.
>>690124414
Please explain the "irony"
What's ironic is that you don't know what communism is.
see
>>690120019
>>690117705
>anarcho
>capitalist
pick one
>>690117509
You want to know where Cultural Marxism originates?
Mysticism.
It's literally rooted in mysticism.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/benjamin/1940/history.htm
https://newleftreview.org/I/152/michael-lowy-revolution-against-progress-walter-benjamin-s-romantic-anarchism
http://www.bamidbar-journal.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Introduction-prt.pdf
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/05/25/the-riddle-of-walter-benjamin/
Once again: it's literally rooted in Jewish mysticism.
>>690124501
Look at how North Korea works. That's what you're proposing.
>>690124467
Oh, wow. The ultra-conservative crowd is even being taught to hate democratic political systems! Incredible. You probably don't even know the difference between "democracy" and "direct democracy", do you?
>>690124353
When did I say that? I said you should get what you need to live and work for free. What do you not understand here? You can still buy things for yourself.
>>690124572
Communism is the extermination of the wealthy, taking what they own, and giving it to the poor. Then the govenment runs things, usually with tons of gulags and mass murder. See the USSR or North Korea or the Khmer Rouge
>>690124642
I wasn't defending the current system. I just found it funny.
>>690124638
Yes, you're incapable of listening to socialists and assume you understand that of which you are hilariously ignorant. I believe you.
the only truly pure communism is anarcho communism.
>>690124573
Anarchism is inherently capitalistic. You have 100% freedom, including economic freedoms.
>>690124790
You obviously didn't read the image i linked too
>>690124905
>Being that stupid
>>690124642
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.
>>690124686
Oh, so steal from others to provide "free" shit for lazy people. Gotcha.
>>690124838
>North Korea isn't -my- communism!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxcNJShBKo
>>690124226
I'm not even talking about human nature at all, but you obviously want me to in order to strawman me to death.
>Humans will strive to do right if they know what is right.
How do you know that is actually the case?
Oh wait you don't. You're just pulling intellectual stuff out of your butt to prove a point.
How do people know what is right and what is wrong?
They don't.
Lastly endless kindness can't compensate lack of resources.
I simply can't help someone if I don't have the means to, that's basic logic.
>>690124905
capitalism has heirarches. how can everyone have 100% freedom in a system like that?
>>690124934
You mean your piece of propaganda? I read it, it's lies and half-truths.
>>690125110
>steal from others
You're just pulling made up arguments from your ass now.
>>690124593
>mfw i actually enjoyed the work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction
>>690125241
You don't like working for a company with a hierarchy, don't work for it. Freedom.
>>690125291
Taking wealth from group A to give to group B is theft.
>>690125175
It's also not your "democratic" or "republic"
>>690125002
Daily reminder that the people screaming about the evils of socialism are authoritarian and anti-democracy. That should tell you something.
>>690116431
Idk why this even needs to be debated. People arguing for wealth distribution dont know shit about anything and they especially lack knowledge about history, politics and economy.
>>690117509
Cultural Marxism DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shMdHHYpLpY
>>690123430
It's the truth.
True communism doesn't work because the leaders will always exploit the working class.
True capitalism always leads to an oligarchy where the rich get richer, and the remaining 99% languish in squalor and filth, dying from diseases that are easily treatable but whose treatments they can't afford.
Both systems are also breeding grounds for corruption.
Sadly, no current form of government is perfect, they all have flaws that become more and more apparent the longer they are allowed to run.
>>690125395
what companies don't have a hierarchies?
>>690125466
Who's taking anything from group A?
>>690125235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBjblKtj1ag&ab_channel=HenryKrinkle
>>690125622
According to Marxists. Just like Yuri said, even if you take a western Marxist to a Soviet concentration camp, he refuses to believe it exists.
>>690123538
The differences between left and right communism are as far apart as fascism and libertarianism. Why then is their conflict more justified than ours? Or maybe you don't want to put forth the effort to understand the conflict.
>>690125660
>True communism doesn't work because the leaders will always exploit the working class.
Right, you don't understand what "communism" means in the context of Marxism. You only understand communism as Stalinism, which means you need to educate yourself before making silly general statements. Communism is a STATELESS society, the theoretical endpoint of Marx's conception of socialism.
You are making claims about private and state capitalism, and saying that both are corrupt and work against the people because their ruling classes work in their own short-term self-interest. Socialists would entirely agree!
>>690122223
Charity and capitalism coexst like balls in a nutsack.
>>690125619
Then why don't you communists accept the public's democratic decision to NOT go the commie route?
>>690123603
This is like people who chose to be athiestclaiming they can prove God doesn't exist because they believe in science. Wait...it's worse.
>>690126351
Well, I certainly don't see any communists running around controlling Western nations. Or are you one of those conspiracy theorist who believes that communists have corrupted American democracy?
Socialists believe that the people don't understand the alternatives to capitalism (clearly, they don't), and it is the duty of the advanced proletariat to show them socialism in action (through mass line action, etc)
>>690126285
In fact showing to be charitable is a great way to bind people to you, and is thus a viable marketing tactic.
>>690126351
If you went to North Korea and asked people if they wanted a new government, the majority would probably say no. If you asked a slave in 1700s America if he'd care to go free, he'd probably say no. Information is subject to the will of the Masters. Information subjects the opinions of the masses.
>>690125395
Anon is right. "Freedom" is about choices, not opportunities.
>>690125744
Where is group B going to get their free shit from?
>>690116965
Nice propaganda poster. You fell for it didn't ya?
>>690126952
That is a freedom that is restricted to the small class of individuals that have an economic privilege the vast majority of a world ruled by capitalism wouldn't even be able to imagine.
To put it in terms you tweens can understand, you think capitalism is great and everyone is free because you live in District 1.
Sure communism can work
In my head, but in the real world thing play out differently.
Hell if I got it to work I'd give everyone a loli to celebrate what others couldn't accomplish.
>>690123781
If you have Internet access and can post here, guess what? You are almost certainly in the 1% of per capita income worldwide. Other people more rich than you'll ever be? Some people never deal wirh rejection and land super-attractive mates who give them anal whenever they want. My wife gives me anal--at most--four times a year. I don't comlain about how unfair life is, especially while my dick is up her ass.
>>690126252
>>690127539
>it's great for us, fuck everyone else!
>>690126682
>Socialists believe that the people don't understand the alternatives to capitalism (clearly, they don't)
Thus we must kill half of them and enslave the other half, for their own good of course!
>>690127442
You obviously don't understand what freedom is. Freedom is the freedom to choose, not the "freedom" to be coddled by a nanny state and get "free" shit.
>>690120516
>Impossible, communism always collapses.
Yeah like Cuba, no wait...
>>690127756
Are you insane? Nobody is saying that.
>>690127980
Nobody is saying that, either.
>>690116848
My nigga
>>690127442
Don't tell me what I think, shitlord. I praise Allah every day that I don't have to live in The Hunger Games, like some people do in real life. Then I jerk off to pictures of wmen's assholes that would not be here if it weren't for Capitalism. I don't buy your implication that we capitalists are greedy or ignorant. It's just an insult, really. Why don't you insult me because I don't remove the Cheeto dust from my fingers until after I ejaculate onto them? Because that is shameful, and it is something that I CAN control.
>>690128005
They're moving away form communism and becoming more capitalist, just like china.
>>690117645
>How is that not socialism?
The public goods have to be available in equal measure to the public.
Like a public park or a road or beach. the fire dept doesn't put out your fire based on anything but you live in their district.
>>690128118
Reread the thread, there's several commies advocating violent revolution.
>>690128319
10/10
>>690116965
this must be the most retarded thing i've seen for today. Im 100% sure you're a murrican
>>690128566
Nobody is saying we should execute half the population, and enslavement is the exact opposite of what socialists want.
>>690128511
Shifting the goalposts. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production. Other "socialism" is just different brands of of the same shit.
>>690128674
>b-but muh communism would be perfect!
>>690128589
One actually kills, crucifies, beheads, rapes and subjugates. one just likes guns and the bible.
>>690128836
The fact that you call it "communism" shows how ignorant you are, btw.
>>690116431
Serious question: what comes next? Capitalism has got us thus far, but I feel is run its course. If we're to become a spacefaring race, we need something else.
>>690128701
>Nobody is saying we should execute half the population
Except other commies in this thread advocating mass murder.
>enslavement is the exact opposite of what socialists want.
u wot m8? Give me a break! You want the collective/state to determine EVERYTHING about everyone's lives! Jobs, what you earn, what you receive....
>>690128912
Oh, I'm sorry. That's not correct. The correct answer is economic privilege. Take global economic dominance away from white Christians and they'll immediately become suicide-bombing, civilian-murdering allahu akbars.
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>>690128319
>I don't buy your implication that we capitalists are greedy or ignorant.
Capitalism is generally a good economic system, but it is inherently harmful to society and a moral hazard.
In a purely capitalist society no one would do anything for anyone without some kind of payment.
It forces mothers to sell their children and it forces young girls into prostitution unless they have some other means to support themselves.
>>690127739
Your words, not mine. My example showed hoew "greatness" is relative and how some people can actually have things that I want, and I can--gasp--be grateful for what I do have.
"Screw you, got mine!" is a distortion of my argument. I'm a capitalist. I give to charity. I will never be rich. I love anal sex, and I can't get enough of it. I never said I was perfect, so please don't judge me by that standard.
>>690129356
>In a purely capitalist society no one would do anything for anyone without some kind of payment.
Welcome to the Netherlands.
>>690129091
You must not have done very well in school. I can tell because despite trying to explain elementary socialism to you a dozen times, you've still clearly learned absolutely nothing.
>>690129382
>I've got it good enough, fuck everyone else in the world who doesn't
>d-d-don't change anything I might lose the stuff I have
>>690128566
...from behind their keyboards.
Who here /anticommunist/?
Post the good shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og
>this was made at a college
>>690129215
This is true, but it has nothing to do with religion it's the cultural and economic differences that make the difference. You see, Christianity teaches people to be poor and obedient, and yet almost none of them are, and there are Muslims living normal lives just like anyone else without trying to kill anyone. Muslims in Allahu-akbar countries are being brainwashed since the day they're born.
>>690129356
So people suffer their fate for a lack of planning?
Protect the people from themselves i guess.
>>690130024
>Muslims in Allahu-akbar countries are being brainwashed since the day they're born.
The irony...so painful....can't simultaneously laugh and cringe
>communism can work
Every attempt to put it into practice leads to a violently repressive one-party state with no middle class. The fact that it (((echoes))) so fucking hard should give you a clue as to how effective it was ever really supposed to be.
>t-those aren't REAL communism
Trots get fucked, your Stalinist and Maoist friends are the only ones who ever managed to implement anything resembling communism.
>>690129356
Do you really think that it's going to go down like startrek? I would assume it would be more like warhammer.
>>690130403
You clearly don't understand anything about socialism or communism - how would you know if something "resembles communism"?
>>690130024
>there are Muslims living normal lives just like anyone else without trying to kill anyone.
>n-naxalt
For every hundred, hundred twenty sandniggers you let into the country, two or three will blow themselves up the morning after. That is an insanely high risk population.
>>690129549
According to you, socialism is a perfect system where everyone is 100% altruistic and works for each other and there's no crime or corruption... Who's the retard?
>>690129356
"Moral hazard" is an economic concept used to explain how bad outcomes can result from sharing common goods without restriction. An example is health insurance. Once you have it, you are much more likely to seek treatment for any medical condition, even if it is unnecessary or costly. This is why you pay a trivial amount called a "co-pay" (usually ten or twenty USD) when you visit a doctor's office under most plans. It to keep you from seeing the doctor each time you sneeze. Callng Capitalism itself a "moral hazard" makes no sense. Please explain why you did that.
Also, there is no such thing as "pure Capitalism." All Capitalist systems are amenable to other economic systems to a degree. Social Security, Medicare, and the United States military are all hella socialist. This is in one of the most Capitalist systems worldwide.
>>690129721
So? They still advocate for it. Your fellow commies are in favor of shit Stalin did.
>communism
Trust me, not even once.
>>690130583
You know when someone says "Marx was great, but he was kind of retarded, there needs to be a coercive force to guide the proletariat" I say that resembles Communism quite a bit.
I mean, Lenin wasn't wrong in that assessment. Proles are sheep. It's just all the other attendant garbage inspired by a NEET Jew whose capitalist Jew partner financed him that doesn't work.
>>690128748
>Shifting the goalposts. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production. Other "socialism" is just different brands of of the same shit.
A Socialist state nationalizes all the industry, cnetrally plans the economy and delivers good and services based based on the needs of the people.
This not the same as a socialist public sector in a capitalist economy that prevent social and moral breakdown.
"Communism is only communism when it works"
-Communists
>>690130900
Nobody said that either. You're just full of Fox News nonsense to put in my mouth, aren't you?
>>690131084
In other words, "emancipating the working class would be great and all, but let's do something completely different instead".
>>690116431
yes
Ok so here is my pro communism Argument.
A few days ago a person i know asked my "why communism? We have a good life here."
Yes, but at the cost of what?
The metal in your Smartphone is mostly from civil war parts of africa where children die.
Your clothes are made of people who will never have the same chances as you no matter how hard they work.
Is this a good life?
Only because the resources there are cheaper then somewhere else.
Only because companys want the highest income.
It's because we are teached to be efficient - not social. - you are willing to pay less for the sad life of others.
"Maybe true but there is no progress in communism because there is no competition!"
Bullshit. Companys hide Patents from each other to keep their own income high and the others low, they cant work together to find the best solution.
Not if we were communists.
And lets say the progress IS actually a little bit slower because of that. Wheres the Problem when the solutions of the "slower progress" are better and not 1000 of trees are chopped down in Amazonas because of stupid competition.
People walk by People being beaten up. We were never teach how to act social - but how to calculate polynomial Division. It's good how it is now - for us - but we could make life for them who are suffering in 3rd world countrys better too.
End
Source: My expirience of living in Yugoslavia.
>live there
>rent very low
>everyone has access to food
>people are happy
>nearly no corruption
>if you don't like it leave
>are you good at doing a job? You'll get it
>BUT MUH IT FAILED
>yes but not due to economic issues
Now in capitalism:
>be exploitet
>harder work =\= better chances
>high corruption
>are you good at a job? We don't care, the rich son of rich faggot will get the job
>>690131159
Then do tell, restate what socialism is to you.
>>690130981
I am not a Communist, just a great lover of irony. I pay little attention to what people say and great attention to what they do. The Onion said it best: "Marxists' Apartment a Microcosm of Why Marxism Doesn't Work."
http://www.theonion.com/article/marxists-apartment-a-microcosm-of-why-marxism-does-1382
>>690131493
READ MOTHERFUCKER >>690120019
>>690131452
Do you miss Tito? That motherfucker as the only good Commie.
>>690131847
>country disintegrated
>ethnic cleansing
>no communism to be seen
>so bad NATO intervened to restore capitalism
>good commie
>>690131286
>implying Marx's spontaneous revolution would ever have happened
The original doctrine is (((flawed))) at its core.
>>690131452
>>690131452
You make great arguments for being more charitable toward others, which you are allowed to do under Capitalism, and still own a smartphone and wear clothes that you did not make yourself to ensure no one was exploited. You are also free not to own a smartphone and to make your own clothes under Capitalism.
>>690132139
>ethnic cleansing
The fuck are you talking about
>>690131847
Ye miss him hard
>>690131452
>Yes, but at the cost of what?
>The metal in your Smartphone is mostly from civil war parts of africa where children die.
>Your clothes are made of people who will never have the same chances as you no matter how hard they work.
>Is this a good life?
>Only because the resources there are cheaper then somewhere else.
So fucking what? Is it our problem, or our business, what other countries? Your argument proposes the same kind of adventurist bullshit that led Africa to become so fucked in the first place during the Cold War.
>>690131452
>And lets say the progress IS actually a little bit slower because of that. Wheres the Problem
Capitalism is the problem.
>>690132485
>The fuck are you talking about
lrn2yugoslavwars kidd
t. son of Bosnian
>>690131452
>The metal in your Smartphone is mostly from civil war parts of africa where children die.
>Your clothes are made of people who will never have the same chances as you no matter how hard they work.
Yeah but I don't care about those people.
Nepotism is a problem (one that could be greatly alleviated by the physical removal of Jews) and intellectual property doesn't real, but those aren't enough to justify communism.
>>690132416
No I actually have written it 2 years ago and I copypasta it in every commie thread comrade.
Socialism will prevail and will maybe teach you to read.
>>690132139
That as after he died, dipshit. He held that country together almost singlehandedly until he kicked the bucket.
>>690131636
That image fails to address how one transitions to such an economy without mass murder. It also is utterly laughable! Democratically running things? You think idiot workers would know how to manage companies and resources without higher ups who know how to run things?
>be communist nation
>proletariate just voted that everyone deserves 3 cars and a mansion
>can't even get food distributed
>>690132259
Socialists don't believe that Marx is religious doctrine any more than physicists think Newton got everything right.
>>690132656
You mean the aftermath? This was a syndrome of nationalism. Tito never promoted ethnic cleaning and it wasn't a thing in Yugoslavia.
>>690132504
Hear hear! Fuck the losers in other nations. I'm looking out for #1. They can always choose to live even poorer lives than they live now and not do business with us.
>>690132940
Running things democratically is the whole point, you dolt. You don't think it's possible because you're an authoritarian, a capitalist.
>>690132916
>He held that country together almost singlehandedly until he kicked the bucket.
A country that cannot survive the death of a single individual is not a successful country, anon.
>>690132833
This tbqh.
>>690133141
>yessss goy, people of different races and cultures can live together without friction
>>690133204
Do you honestly think the brainless workers who assemble your smartphone could run the business? They'd vote themselves 100% of the profits, not investing it in the company. It'd go under in a day.
>>690133188
>Hear hear! Fuck the losers in other nations. I'm looking out for #1. They can always choose to live even poorer lives than they live now and not do business with us.
Based opinion right here. would buy a pint for/10
>>690133433
It's a kind of cultural Darwinism. Our culture is vastly superior to theirs and we have dominance in the world.
>>690133415
Yes, behold the true nature of capitalism! You idiots can't govern yourselves or be free! YOU NEED A KING!
Capitalism is freedom - give me a fucking break.
>>690133632
It's true though. Can you point to an instance of a society running without people at the top who know what they're doing?
>>690133612
Yep. If they had the drive to succeed, the tools to do so are there. The First World didn't get to be so much better to live in through callow laziness, or hoping to ride on the coattails of others.
>>690133311
If some guy beats another guy for it, yep, this will always happen.
But genozide? Nah bro
>>690133612
>Our culture is vastly superior to theirs
I kinda agree.
Even if it's only because this culture has been somewhat nice to me compared to others.
>>690133838
Don't you know? Us eeeeevil white people are keeping them down colored people through capitalism and colonialism! They can't succeed because... um... RACISM!
>>690133415
They're smart as shit! Do you know how to build an I phone? I phone are complicated as fuck!
I think we all have different standpoints, but can agree that anarchists suck ass.
>>690133064
Yeah but it doesn't matter because the entire thing is built on quicksand. Internationalism, egalitarianisn, and fatalism are all retarded, and all echo at least to some degree.
>>690133220
My argument was not that Yugoslavia was a successful country. It was that Tito was a great leader (and also a Commie).
>>690133756
You think a pampered MBA born with a silver spoon in his mouth understands the nature of work better than the workers? It's perfectly possible to have administrators without them being owners.
>>690134156
Nailed
>>690133957
Or maybe we could all have our own nation-states with homogenous populations and economic/political systems tailored to us and only trade or go to war with other nations when absolutely necessary.
If people had a healthier mistrust of other nations the world would be in a much better place
>>690133838Read Jard Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel," and then tell me if you still think the same way.
>>690134073
B-but they was kangz!
>>690133415
Anyone who can assemble a fucking phone obviously has a much better grasp of their profession than the people in charge, and they should definitely be the ones who get to vote. I see no logical reason to prevent a genius who has an engineering degree from voting just so an idiot from an economic college can control the business, especially because economy and politics are easily learned.
>>690134537
>literal meme history book
Read The Guns of August, and tell me what you think.
>>690134464
Surely we could! A socialist society doesn't have to be heterogeneous! Who says that?
>>690134243
>You think a pampered MBA born with a silver spoon in his mouth understands the nature of work better than the workers?
He would understand the economy and how to run a business better. He doesn't need to know how to labor.
>>690134243
This is so true. I've worked in companies where the middle management might have the gift of the gab, but they're actually dumb as fuck.
That's why I'm now self employed. Sick of propping up other people who got paid a lot more.
>>690131053
Communism never existed. It's stupid even to have conversation about it. Communism can't function in our world because of the nature of the people.
But for Socialism, you are talking about a pretty shitty type of one, like in USSR. People that lived there often say that the life wasn't very good.
But why don't you and other people that hate on socialism right away look at the type of socialist systems like it was in Yugoslavia until 85. let's say when Muricans put their fingers into to destabilize the country's economy.
Then we(cause I am from the country that was once part of it) had the best socialism in the world. Yeah, it had mistakes like very other system but people that lived in those system say that they were happy(not rich, but happy).
Why not talk about the PR of China. To their once purely socialist system(the type that USSR had) they fixed it through years and added just a little capitalism to it(the rare good things from that system) and yeah, they are the most developed country in the world now. What do you say about that?
>>690134621
>Anyone who can assemble a fucking phone obviously has a much better grasp of their profession than the people in charge
Really? They understand supply chains, finance, economics, human resources, marketing?
>>690134830
>He would understand the economy and how to run a business better.
>He doesn't need to know how to labor.
Oh lord. Look who wants free stuff he didn't work for now. Look who's enslaving the people to a ruling class that doesn't work. What a joke.
>>690134537
(((Diamond))) is retarded.
>muh geographic luck
>n-no other civilization had the same advantages that whites did!
>okay that's manifestly false but muh smallpox! muh guns that the Chinese were too retarded to make into decent weapons!
>>690134621
Assemble? No. Design? Yes. Technocracy is an entirely different proposition from Communism.
>>690134816
Communism is internationalist as fuck fam. The Nordic nations made out pretty well with democratic socialism for a while, but then they started letting in sandniggers.
>>690134920
Muh comrade brate
>>690135283
>(((Diamond)))
What the fuck is this anyway? Are you a DF autist or otherwise mentally impaired?
>>690134920
>socialism worked
>b-but the fucking bourgeois ruined it
Yeah, it totally would have endured on its own as a socialist utopia of multicultural heritage.
>>690122223
The first liberal:
>fuck the government taxes and they power
>enforce the PNA
>you are welcome in my private territory, but only if you agree with my ideals
>if you don't, you aren't welcome. afterall its my private propriety, my skylands, my rules
>you are free to try you luck into satanlands
>>690135414
Jewish names echo through history.
>>690135440
>m-m-muh culture
Take a flying leap off a tall building, white pride.
>>690135185
Yes, let's let the janitor run things, he understand how to mop a floor, so he must understand everything else!
>>690135561
Yugoslavia was an inherently unstable state, the same as Austria-Hungary before it. Your memes are blinding you to reality son.
>>690135572
You're incredibly fixated on the idea that some individual has to be the dictator, aren't you?
>>690134537
The tools were there.
Only Africa had some trouble with wild animals, but that's the only excuse.
let's not forget that the middle east was the greatest power for the quite a while in the beginning and not Europe.
This is on my arm.
>>690135802
You could have just tattooed "I'm a faggot!" in Comic Sans for the same effect.
>>690134989
They have a better idea of what they need, what they have and how to use it. Since capitalism is entirely based on economy it should be taught to kids in elementary school, which would remove the need of anyone studying economics. Economics is studied by unintelligent and useless people who can't do anything else. You really think those idiots should be put in charge of anything?
>>690128836
Well, you only convinced me more of that you are a murricunt. It is baffling to see how a nation can be this mentally challenged.
>>690135802
you fucking retard
>>690135932
One of the tenets of the American national religion that replaced Christianity is "capitalism = freedom = GOOD". They're not necessarily retarded, just fundamentalists.
The helping hand of the free market is a fist which is crushing the environment.
And it will never stop until the last tree is cut down.
But hey have fun with your free trade bullshit and stuff.
>>690135932
>i don't like what he says
>so he must be american lololol
Americans are preferable to your company. FFS, you're probably an Irish chav or some shit.
>>690135707
Oh... let's have all of the janitors run things then! So much better!
>>690135921
This is the most leftist thing I've read in the thread!
>>690135934
>I'll call him names
>implying he cares
>>690122217
mermaid man and barnacle boy III
>>690132139
>being this retarded
>>690136202
As I said, you're incredibly fixated on the idea that some class of people must be the ruling class, in addition to being disgustingly elitist in your views of the working class.
>>690135802
Hold on comrade they won't be able to write when they can't breath anymore due to the air they polluted for profit.
>>690136391
>ignoring reality
>>690136473
You're missing the point. My point is that a bunch of workers who have no idea how to run things would drive the organization into the ground.
Should I make a new bread?
>>690136586
It is alright, comrade. They will soon see the light.
most civilized countries are somewhere between socialism and oligarchy lets be honest
>>690136586
>they won't be able to write when they can't breath anymore due to the air they polluted for profit.
Are you referring to the People's Republic of China?
