How many people in the Pulse nightclub do you guys think wished that they had one of these?
>mfw people still have the outdated stance that people don't have a right to effectively defend themselves and their families
>>690082779
I'm glad they didn't have guns to defend themselves actually. Not because they're gay. Just because they're clubbers.
I wouldn't mind a few more shootings like that, in clubs. Clear out some of the degenerate trash clogging up the country.
>>690082779
>having a loaded gun in a club full of alcohol
You're fucking stupid.
>>690083846
>thinks "clubbers" are the degenerate trash clogging up our country
you must be a nigger
>>690083846
Nightclubs are already death traps. There have been nightclub fires that have killed way more than the Orlando shooting. Maybe if they had handguns...
Maybe if I had a handgun I wouldnt get baited so hard by OP
>>690082779
lol, amerifats still believe in self defense with mah guns
>>690083951
>i think all adults are children who cant protect themselves or are incapable of making good decisions
Am i close to your thought process?
>>690083951
>When you take things far too literally because you're fucking stupid the post.
>>690084335
Are you saying that in that situation you would prefer to not have a gun?
eurofags would just sit there and just hope they dont get shot
>>690084335
this
>>690084686
Your gun 'argument' was fucking stupid to begin with, redneck.
>>690085166
Explain please
>>690085166
and yours doesn't exist so...
Stop trolling?
>>690082779
300 fags with guns in a club
one muslim starts shooting
299 fags close their eye start to scream 'OMGOMGOMG' and shoot wildly like a pack of faggots
200 dead 100 wounded
nice option retard
>>690085496
>i think adults are children
Yeah ok mane
I have a concealed weapons permit and it's illegal to bring your gun to establishments like clubs, bars or sporting events.
>>690085583
>I think everyone is a ninja trained Rambo marine
Yeah ok m8
>>690085496
How about a more realistic scenario where 10 of those fags have guns and are trained to use them and practice regularly?
Do you think it would have ended better or worse in that case?
I'm really starting to believe the vast majority of anti-gun people are legitimately stupid.
>>690085657
Well, fish in a barrel huh?
If your only argument to keeping your guns is, "yeah but you'll want them when the government tries to implement martial law", then you're pretty egotistical to assume you matter that much. To anybody.
No one in the hypothetical SS you're predicting even knows your name let alone thinks you're enough of a threat to take out. You don't matter that much to anybody, gun or not. But you would matter to the family of the victims you shoot.
>glorifying gun culture this hard
>when your children are being shot in their schools
>because of your hard on for hypothetical apocalypses
so, if everyone having a gun prevents gun violence, shouldn't places like inner city detroit and war zones be completely safe and violence-free?
>>690085724
>nobody in the history of weapons has had any training
Dude if you think everybody is like you and is a childish wimp when it comes to guns, that is fine. But maybe actually take time to consider that some people actually want to learn about something and get trained in its usage.
>>690085878
[shots fired]
ok AMERIGUNNUTS LISTEN UP!!!
when....oh WHENNNN....was the last time, when one of your burger munching citizens decided to go on a turkey shoot, DID A CIVIALIAN DO ANYTHING WITH A CARRY TO STOP THE MO'FO?????
WHAT? never???? that's right cause its always the police that have to stop them, not some gun toting Bruce Willis with an assault rifle hidden up his ass
>>690083999
Well, you could shoot the people blocking off the doors and make a path for yourself. So in a way, yes, having a handgun would help in a fire.
But you know, that's generally frowned upon by most everyone.
>>690085964
Look it up faggot, happens all the time
>>690085953
Most of us don't even have college degrees, faggot. You trust someone who didn't even finish high school to own an assault rifle (and to actively try to learn how to use it properly)?
>>690082779
I'm a tranny and I carry a Walther on me at all times.
>>690085878
Surprisingly that isnt the only argument. Listen bud, i know in the european caliphate, rights and freedoms are frowned upon, but not so in America.
>>690085964
b-but muh rights
I bet this kid wished he had one
>>690085964
They didn't do anything because most of them are children under the age of 12. They left their Lisa Frank glocks at home.
>>690085166
Can't come up with counter-argument against near perfect logic
>HURRR U A REDNECK WITH UR GUNS UR ARGUMENT IS DUMB
This is how the left think, people. Anything they can't argue against or understand is "stupid", and sadly it's almost always stupidly simple logic.
>>690086054
only in your superhero dreams faggot
>>690086059
>assualt rifle
>basing intelligence off of a piece of paper
Geez man. Yes, i know people who just have a high school diplomas who teach firearms courses.
>>690086059
>college degrees
>high school
Pick one faggot
>>690083846
You forgot to tip your Fedora, Mr no friends
>>690085496
>200 fags dead 100 fags wounded
>nice option
Nice option indeed.
>>690085760
10 in a large building with hundreds around them?
and one attacker shooting indiscriminately?
it would be pure luck if any of these armed guys were able to do any thing
its not like you go to a club ad sit waiting for a muslim with an assault rifle to arrive
if the club had 300 marines with side arm 9mms Omar would have still killed a dozen firing into a packed room before anyone realized what was happening.
I'm not anti gun, I'm anti arming retards.
>>690086261
So youre just shitposting huh?
>>690085657
Not in Indiana! I can open carry in a bar if I so please.
>>690082779
I'm sure all wish they had it, but I'd go for any who were sober and knew how to use it. It only takes 1 to put up resistance and send bullets the other way and the coward that is shooting people will either flee or kill themselves to avoid capture. Statistically proven. You could almost defend with blanks in some cases and they'd bail.
>>690086169
The 2nd amendment protects a "well regulated militia", not "rednecks with shit logic and no gun training". No ones going to try to take your farm from you if shit hits the fan. Give humanity a little more credit than that. If the government falls, you think we all regress to gigantic lawless monkeys who just shoot and rape each other?
>Mad Max was fictional kiddo
>>690085964
Happens all the time, just doesn't make the news because of the lack of mass casualties. You know, because someone stopped them before killing anyone. Not like the leftist media would run a story saying guns saved the day anyway...
>>690086191
if harambe had been carrying he'd still be alive too
>>690086385
So because some people would still die, that is your best excuse?
So instead of 50 it would be around 12, and you have the gall to say thats not better?
>>690084686
If I'm drunk, surrounded by total darkness except for strobe lights, and in a crowded room full of OTHER innocent civilians, yes. I'd prefer NOT to have a gun at that time.
>>690086487
>i dont understand the 2nd ammendment: the post
Are you even trying to make an argument?
>>690086613
>i am a child, this means others are as well
>tfw every american thinks they're rambo saving the day
>>690086487
>If the government falls, you think we all regress to gigantic lawless monkeys who just shoot and rape each other?
Ever heard of Africa?
>>690086637
>LOL YOU DONT GET THE 2ND AMENDMENT READ A FUCKING BOOK
are you?
>>690086679
>I am a child
No, I'm not Rambo or some fucking Die Hard wannabe. You won't save the day if he finds a gun on you before you get a clear shot on him. You'll be the first casualty and now he'll have TWO guns instead of one. How'd that plan work out for you?
>>690082779
well i know im buying one coz its better to be safe than sorry. or what the hell dead people dont get sorry over shit anymore its a gg at that point
With open carry you have a chance to not get completely fucked with random ISIS people. If you dont carry you got 0% chance to get out alive from the toilet, bar whatever the hell place they start shooting in.
>>690086567
I'm not making excuses you are
if omar had no guns how many would die then?
>>690086613
>If I'm drunk, surrounded by total darkness except for strobe lights, and in a crowded room full of OTHER innocent civilians, yes. I'd prefer NOT to have a gun at that time.
Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. In Texas we are trained to run/take shelter if possible, shooting back is last resort/worst case scenario.
>>690086899
How would he know if i had a gun? People have stated he would just go in and fire, is he performing pat downs? Also funnily enough, if it wasnt a gun free zone, do you think he would have the balls to attack the club where 0-everyone could be armed?
>>690087030
>In Texas
>I'm FROM Texas and that isn't true whatsoever
nice try.
>>690082779
Can we please not have guns in clubs? I dont want to get shot in the face for grinding on some dudes gf.
>>690086907
>implying a lack of guns will stop someone who is intent on killing
Yeah worked great yesterday in the uk, huh?
>>690087082
>how would he know if i have a gun
probably if you have it out, aimed at him, trying to get a clear shot. because yknow, itll be in your hands. in plain sight.
>>690087184
so because we can't stop it completely we shouldn't bother trying to reduce it. you're quite the humanitarian
>>690087082
what about those guys who shot up military bases?
not exactly gun free zones
>>690087154
>i dont want to get shot for trying to steal someone elses girl
Maybe you shouldnt be trying to steal other peoples girls man
>>690087154
Seriously. In most cases guns are okay, but who legitimately thinks that clubs should have them. Maybe the security guards, but really, so many things can go wrong in a club
>>690087263
So after he has starting shooting he in the choas will be able to pick out a guy trying to get a shot on him, despite the fact that you claim i wouldnt be able to shoot him because of the choas, is that your argument?
>>690085878
That's not the only reason but nice try at derailing the thread.
>>690085931
No because Detroit is a shit hole and by your logic shouldn't places with tighter gun control measures be safer?
People should carry so they can defend themselves from criminals like those in Detroit.
>war zones lol get real
>>690085964
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html
Happens plenty.
It's pretty clear you don't know wtf you are talking about at this point.
>>690086907
You really want to take that chance? Shootings happen all over the world and they happen in places with strict gun control policies.
I'd prefer to have the option to defend myself rather than lay on the ground and pray he doesn't shoot me.
How about this? Some psycho breaks into your home intending to kill your entire family with a knife. Would you prefer to be armed or no?
>>690087326
If a person is willing to murder troves of people, I don't think they'll obediently follow gun laws. Black markets are a thing.
>>690087341
Lol
Yes they are
ALL SCHOOLS AND MASS EVENTS SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 2 ARMY GUYS OR POLICE ON THE SCENE ON ALL TIMES
Shit just keeps happening every single year so you know it´d be the right legal update
>>690087184
UK: one person, first in ages
USA: lost count, all the fucking time
nice analogy
boy did you shoot me down
gosh darnit
>>690087326
Im saying i want everybody to be able to protect themselves, you are free to not do that, but dont tell me im cant if i wish to.
>>690085760
I think that 10 ccw'ers would have been more likely. I carry even in gun free zones. Fuck not being able to protect myself. My instructor told our class, if we don't feel comfortable carrying our firearm at any time. You may as well leave it at home as a permanent paper weight. I will never be left unprotected.
So let's go along with your hypothetical. I hear there's gun shot, find exit fast! Can't, try to avoid enclosed space, cant. Keep back to a wall at all times. Never reveal firearm, people may think I'm the shooter. At this time panic may be setting in. I would likely throw on my video recorder app. Try to guide others into safe area. Pray to god I wouldn't have to fire my gun. Found area to hide, no exit though, not even up. I would tell the people around me I have a gun and would try to protect them. If paintball has taught me anything, people keep their heads down when their bunker is shot. Keep this and bullets go through certain walls in mind. Up to this point I can't really continue with the hypothetical. The shooter may have come to the restroom and I mag dump but only injure him. I'm now dead. But let's say I do kill him and I survive. I'll pick up my brass and get out before any more people see me.
>>690087522
>so after he has started shooting, he in the chaos will see me with a gun
so after he has starting shooting in the dark, you in the chaos will have him in a clear line of sight? if anything, you'll be shooting innocent civilians too trying to shoot the guy shooting them. how ironic.
>>690087348
>Implying ever girl in the club has a fucking neon sign stating her romantic status.
Have you seriously never had some guy give you shit for hitting on his girl while he was in the bathroom? Doesnt matter that you thought she was alone.
>>690087588
conservatives, although they worship the police and the military, don't trust them with guns, so you'd need to have armed civilians patrolling the schools
>>690084760
This and they know it so they just spout endless shitposts "murrica be like muh guns muh rights" never any solidity to these statements just shitposting
>>690087645
Im glad you can see my point jackass, the point that if someone wants to, they will do it. Also fun fact all the shootings that inflate the numbers are because of the drug war. 46% of the prison population is in there because of drugs, so why dont we focus on that. That would drop a huge number of shootings
Shit should go back to the wild west days
mfw I'm trying to enjoy a drink at the bar and someone starts shooting
>>690085760
>>690087667
My main point is, if I can avoid using my gun. I will. I don't need to go on a hero mission. I have a life and goals. Im not going to throw that out the window.
>>690087704
So you didnt read my full post, ok
>>690085964
Literally Google search it you cuck. Holy shit dude, people can't be this fucking stupid
>>690082779
tender had one but fags can't shoot for shit.
>>690087542
so your main worry is that a strict gun control would forbid YOU from getting a gun or guns?
so your saying you are a retard or criminal or on a terrorist list?
maybe you shouldn't get to have a gun then.
>>690087588
Far better to arm responsible staff members.
With only 2 armed guards guess who is going to get targeted first.
>>690087718
Sounds like you need to pay more attention, thats never happened to me
>>690087915
So you aren't grasping a simple concept. Ok.
>makes sense
>it IS rocket science after all
>>690087704
>you'll be shooting innocent civilians
I think they call that "acceptable loses"
>>690087863
yeah, the wild west, when everyone was open carrying, was the safest situation ever
>>690088025
My point was, how can you claim he has these superpowers that allow him to pick me out of the crowd, when you claim i couldnt pick him out of the crowd, see how silly your argument is?
>>690087863
Sounds good to me.
Because back then they did not lump suicides and defensive shootings in as "murders" like they do today.
>>690087844
but if people want drugs they will get them
that's you I'm doing
I can feel my iq dropping
>>690088252
No I don't. Because HES shooting at random. YOURE shooting at a single, specific target. Unless you have literal superpowers, you will not be able to pick him out of a crowd. I don't give a shit if you're a trained marine with 10 years of combat experience. It's a dark crowded room, filled with people screaming and running for their lives.
>see how fucking ridiculous your logic is?
>>690088131
they even had guns for faggots back then
>>690085964
It happens all the fucking time shit stick its not reported by the leftist media because itd be bad for thier anti gun agenda why dont you do a little more digging than one google search before you talk shit moron now you just look idiotic
>>690088379
Im saying legalize drugs silly
>>690088395
>tfw the UT shooter wasnt even able to pick individual fuckers out
>an ex marine was only able to shoot and kill 16 people from an elevated position
>>690087979
I am none of those things and I will be getting a weapon soon because I live about an hour away from Orlando and I'm not taking a chance of something like that happening to myself or my family.
I'm saying that I believe the people who want to take away everyone's guns are pretty fucking stupid and I thoroughly believe that if they ever get put in a situation where they are in danger they'd change their mind in a heartbeat.
>>690088252
Dude do you have any experience with firearms? It's not that difficult to discern where shots are being fired from inside a building.
Could you be one of the first people shot? Sure. But maybe not. Maybe you are in another room or on the other side of the building.
Like the anon said everyone would be panicking. It wouldn't be that difficult to draw and shoot back at him. Especially considering you would have the element of surprise.
Are you seriously arguing that if you were in that club you would rather be unarmed? Seriously?
>>690083846
Maybe nobody has invited you.
>>690086613
>implying the lights weren't immediately turned on as soon as anything started happening
I blame this all on the chinese for inventing gun powder
>>690088762
>>690088596
this happened in broad daylight
>>690085166
This is why you guys are fucked. You roll over to everything and just hope that somebody else will make it alright while Muhammad fucks your sister.
>>690088395
>how would he know if i have a gun
probably if you have it out, aimed at him, trying to get a clear shot. because yknow, itll be in your hands. in plain sight.
So you are saying he is shooting at random now, but in the above text you are saying in th choas he will be able to see me with my handgun out, through the choas he will be able to see this? See how silly you are? Also let us elaborate a little on this, say through the dark and choatic room our superpowered shooter can see me draw my weapon and he begins firing at me, see this is called drawing fire. This is a fun strategic plan to draw the threats attention away from others so they can escape, see how that could save lives?
>>690088571
the day drugs are made legal only the druggies will have a normal day
whos not going to get fucked up on that day?
the whole country will shut down for a day
and then sell out of snacks
>>690088636
Actually im not arguing that anon, the exact opposite. Please follow posts before jumping into other conversations.
>>690082779
Maybe they did own one. But they didn't bring it with them into a gun free zone.
>>690082779
Oh, nice thread i really wanna know what you thinks about it terriblle accident? Cause russian media are crazy
>>690082779
Hey, dipstick, take just a minute to think about why bars and guns might not be the best mix.
>>690088636
if your 'none of those things' then why oppose regulation reform?
>>690088901
That doesnt concern me. If we want violence to go down, quit incentivising it
>>690089039
It wasn't an accident, some crazy fag rag head did it on purpose.
>>690089110
This
>>690087263
Straight up you make omar mateen look like a fucking super villain
> good guys with guns bad
> bad guys with guns Unstoppable f****** super villains that even an armed citizen couldn't kill with any amount of guns
This is you. This is your agurement
>>690086044
I've shot out a fire with 12ga target load before tbh.
>>690088899
Yes. Because spotting someone holding their hands up with flashing lights and bangs coming from them is relatively easy to spot in a club where you're supposed the be the only one with a gun, faggot.
He wasn't reserving bullets for this guy or that guy, he wasn't even aiming. All hes going to do is aim in your general direction, shooting you and everyone around you. Because hes not trying to discriminate one single person out of the crowd. Hes trying to kill as many people as possible. And you going Rambo just means you got everyone in your vicinity killed, as well as yourself.
>>690089290
Thank you anon. Ive been trying to explain this to him, but he keeps back pedaling and going "nu uh, good guys with guns...pfft never works"
>>690087341
They so are the weapons are in an armory
>>690089441
Dude, you continue to show ignorance. Why would i draw his fire with people around me? Just because you have no training, and no concept of how to use firearms; doesnt mean others are like you.
>>690089290
Straight up you try to make yourself into a superhero who could've mysteriously saved the day if you had been there.
See how that door swings both ways? You guys can suck each others dicks all you want but in the end, you do not have superpowers that no one else has. Gun or not.
>>690086059
>grow up in shit area because you're not privileged
>believe in the second 'mendment because you've had someone trying to break down the door and police just didn't show up because "lol busy."
>some bitch who had a free ride through the best schools, grew up in a large house with a security system and basically blast proof windows, nothing bad ever happened to them in their, life bans the only thing that may save your life in certain situations from their offices with armed guards at the door
This is what happens.
itt: kids think toting guns is just like cowadooty
>>690089618
Yet you continue to claim the shooter can find others with guns in the club
>>690086487
delusional liberal idiot detected
in the US it will be a huge regression. why? because of niggers.
>>690089013
Well since you didn't quote anything I have no idea what you are responding to.
>>690089110
For the last fucking time it's a metaphor for literally any other situation where having a firearm could save lives. How do you people not immediately see that?
>>690089039
It was not an accident. Some Muslim shot a bunch of people for some reason.
>>690089148
I don't oppose reform, actually I think it does need to be reformed. Especially after this because from what I understand the shooter had already been investigated by the FBI.
I oppose people who think we shouldn't have any guns.
>>690089618
>Straight up you try to make yourself into a superhero who could've mysteriously saved the day if you had been there.
Fuck you are stubborn. We are simply saying that if people are armed maybe they could stop the shooter.
Is it guaranteed? No. Only a short sighted idiot who lacks critical thinking skills would immediately think that.
But it gives you a chance to do something which in my opinion is a hell of a lot better than dying because you couldn't reach an exit quickly enough.
>>690089184
You think its smth common in Usa?
>>690089533
well that's fucked up
>>690089733
Yes faggot. Because if you can find someone with a gun in a club, he can also find you. Because you two are the only people with "pew pew" sounds coming out of your fucking hands.
Again, this is not rocket science. Guns FLASH when they fire. There would be LIGHTS coming OUT OF YOUR HANDS and NO ONE ELSES. And he's not trying to kill just you. So if he's making sweeping motions killing everyone in your direction trying to kill you, the only thing you accomplished was adding to his body count by trying to play a fucking hero. (And possibly shooting innocents yourself since you are not a trained marine).
>>690085964
I feel sorry for your views on guns. I could understand it though. Maybe you don't understand guns, or personal protection. Maybe even just outright dislike guns for no sound reason aside from them being big scary killing machines. I wish more people grew up around guns. Personal protection is an individuals responsibility. You're more then welcome to your opinion, it doesn't make you any less of a person. I would like for you to please do your research before accusing the general public.
>>690089451
Anytime i was getting tired of his shitposting
>>690090074
>personal protection
You are not that important, to where everyone is going to try to kill you specifically. Americans and their goddamn egos.
>>690089869
>It was not an accident. Some Muslim shot a bunch of people for some reason.
Pardon for my engrish i didnt mean that
>>690090047
wow give it up you fucking faggot i am not the anon you have been carrying on with but stop trying to imagine a literal CHAOS scene in a nighclub at 2am and rationalize all of the shit you would or wouldn't do.
fucking dumbass faggot you would just shit your pants and cry on the floor
Kill some precious americuck faggots, everyone loses their shit...
This is why you are losing the war, by the way.
You have no morals.
>>690090191
>rationalize all the shit you would or wouldnt do
>like pulling a gun and saving the day because youd be superman
thanks for the top notch rebuttal, kiddo.
>>690090229
What war they were lost?
>>690089699
you point at a direction, look through the crosshair and pull the trigger. if 5 000 sandniggers can do it how come the educated majority cant?
>>690085964
All the time you autistic newfag it just doesn't make international news.
When the 2nd Amendment becomes a need to bare arms instead of a choice and right -- you have a problem.
When you have to bare arms everywhere, every day, are you building the kind of society you want to live and raise children in?
The stupidity of it all is that some believe the problem is also the solution and conversation about that is impassable.
So get used to it, the price of the right to bare arms is the occasional death. Just wake up every day and hope it isn't you or a family member.
>>690082779
>>690089890
Yes, but I don't think it's the gun problem. We have a very big mental health issue here, lots of crazy people or people going crazy because the pressures of society. We don't really give them treatment, we just throw them in prison.
>>690090229
We aren't AT WAR. We're involved in a CONFLICT.
>jesus anon read a fucking book
>>690083846
shouldn't you be at summer camp or something?
>>690090327
The Islamic State has attacked you multiple times on your own soil, and you do nothing but wring your hands and cry.
You americucks just don't have it in you to win a war since Japan.
>>690090047
Oh no you're right I would show no no semblance of any kind of gun training I just pulled out my pistol and start shooting randomly in his Direction while screaming oh no no don't hurt me and yeah I'd go out he rode out just run out of firing screaming at the top of my lungs no dumbass I do exactly what anon over there said ealier try to hide escape to protect myself when it came down to it f****** pull out my gunas a last resort and if i was lucky enough to kill him ive saved mine and whoever was hiding with me or around me which would be much better than everyone die
>>690089894
Tell me about it
>>690090179
Tell that to the people in the Pulse nightclub.
>>690090188
He was a Muslim born to Afghan immigrants. He purchased his weapons legally and was bipolar.
There are rumors that it was an IS related attack but they are still rumors at this point.
He killed around 50 people and injured around 50 others using an assault rifle and a pistol.
He was killed by police.
>>690090437
What do you think the problem is?
>>690085964
HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
JUST LOOK IT UP
GOOGLE IT
I CAN'T LIST ANY ACTUAL SOURCES MYSELF BECAUSE I'M TOO BUSY TELLING YOU TO GOOGLE IT
TOTALLY AND EFFECTIVELY STOPPING SO MANY MASS SHOOTINGS THAT THIS IS THE ONLY NATION WHERE THEY HAPPEN ALL THE TIME
Americans are comedy gold.
>>690090047
Again ignorance
Every post all i see is
>real life is like the movies
Ok first off
>not every gun shoots a fire bolt from it when you pull the trigger
Shocking I know.
Second
>he could hear the sounds of your gun fire
Well this depends. Is he wearing ear plugs? No, then his hearing is instantly hampered by firing his own weapon. Yes he is wearing them? Good luck pinpointing where it is coming from
>strobe lights, flashing lights, darkness, but the shooter can totally distinguish your fire ball from your pistol
How? Fucking how?
>>690084525
Basically yes this is true. They need to wait for the trained professionals. A regular guy would kill so many innocent people in the crossfire. Trained cops would not. They would be able to sneak in and kill the bad guy before he even knew it with simple snap to the neck
>>690090644
>i have perfect night vision and im trained in precision sniping
>id be able to protect everyone hiding with me when i aim a gun at someone who just found out i actually have a gun
>instead of just making him shoot you and everyone hiding with you because he has more guns and bullets than you do
>americuck logic
>>690090326
that doesn't mean i don't 100% fully support the right of responsible adults to legally carry a firearm and defend themselves negro, slow your roll.
i just think it is funny reading your imaginative scenarios of what you would or wouldn't do. because the seem to get wilder and wilder as you go.
my first thought upon hearing the nighclub in Orlando story was NOT
>oh my god so many lives lost so senseless
my first thought was:
>how the fuck are 50 people dead before someone shot back
>>690090611
true, americans are weak cowards
you should stop giving them money since they will not react to their own people beign slaughtered on yearly basis. You cant trust a nation like that.
>>690090495
Actually we are at war with an ideology
>>690090383
Oh fuck, that guy stopped a mass killing of one person! Thank God! We would have lost a gas station attendant!
>>690090179
No but as youve seen they dont really pick specific individuals theyre always large functions
>>690090761
Despite the rumor that the cops killed people in the pulse? Wait for that news to break
>>690090485
O God! If that take place in Usa...
Some mad people want to make free use guns in Ukraine, oh God!
>>690082779
such bait, so wow
>>690090357
Right if coked out child soldiers in the congo can do i can too
>>690090495
They're at war with you, americuck.
You're just too dumb to see it.
>>690090752
>because a flash with a bang is clearly a gun you retard
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that what hes doing, you're also doing too.
>real life is like the movies
you mean that in real life, you'd be able to shoot him in the dark? like you have night vision goggles? just like in Call of Duty?
>is he wearing ear plugs?
>his hearing is hampered by firing his own weapon
Yeah, because of course if he suspects you of having a gun, he won't do a simple process of elimination by ceasing fire to make sure hes hearing YOUR gun and not HIS gun. Hes not clinically retarded, anyone can put two and two together to deduce that you're not the only one with a gun in the room. Except you, apparently.
>>690090735
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/08/10-cases-where-a-concealed-carry-handgun-saved-the-day/#10-commandments-of-concealed-carry-8-2
Wow that took 1 second to Google.
Are you trolling?
>>690082779
>glock 18
>for self defense
>>690090485
More of them need to be in jail and this is coming from someone with a degree in psychology.
>>690082779
B8 > R8
>>690090832
Glad you don't value life. You think if it's saving only a few people it's stupid? You liberals are brain dead idiots. Maybe you should save the people dying in car accidents or accidental electicutions from apliances. They kill far more people then mass shootings
>>690083951
This. I'm usually all for guns, and all for someone protecting themself with a firearm. It's especially good press when it's a gay person. lmao. But loaded guns and alcohol doesn't mix. What they should do for bars and clubs is up the security even more, to compensate for the lack of guns in the crowd of drunk, sexually confused teenagers.
>>690091126
>he will cease fire and search for the source of the gun fire
Ok i agree. And this is a good thing. Any moment of hesitation on his part, is people living. If by firing my own weapon, i can pull his attention this is a good thing. This is my main point, saving as many lives as possible
>>690090770
> once again implying the lights wouldn't be turned on almost immediately
> implying I have to be an ultra trained sniper to shoot somebody Square in the chest from like 40 feet
> implied once I've been hiding I wouldn't be listening for him coming
> implying implications
>>690090777
begrudgingly checked. you don't deserve those trips.
I just think it's funny that every American seems to think that if they had a gun, they'd be able to stop this shit from happening. Instead of being the ones who caused it, i.e. Dylan Roof, Charles Whitman, James Holmes, the kids at columbine, the list unfortunately goes on and on.
>>690090816
For your information it's called population control
>>690091403
You would just kill more innocent people then him. Like you are trained to take a life. You would have trippled the death count
>>690091446
>>690091126
If you were in a situation where someone was trying to shoot you and everyone around you would you prefer to have a gun and be trained in its use or not?
So I'm confused how would a gun helped the 2 year old kid? Wouldn't the kid not beable to use it?
>>690091729
Of course i already am
>>690091403
>any moment of hesitation
>is a split second he stopped firing
What do you think he's going to do when he finally concludes that you DO have a gun? He's going to fire at you and everyone in your vicinity. You just bought yourself and your surrounding buddies a split second. But hey, at least you could totally save the day in a split second. Except not. Because thats fucking impossible.
>>690091465
>every American seems to think that if they had a gun, they'd be able to stop this shit from happening
well I don't speak for 300 million but I can tell you that I don't think that. I think that I want a gun in response to this types of situations.
Apparently they aren't going away any time soon and I would love to have a tool on my person to defend myself/friends/family/others with
I am no fucking rambo but one of the last places I want to die is screaming on the ground while some monkey is yelling aloha snackbar or some stupid shit
>>690091465
Surprisingly murder is rare when not backed up by the cancer of islam. So because you feel people are too stupid to protect themselves they should give their lives over to pic related
>>690091760
Thats the joke come back next week we'll have something i think you'll really enjoy.
>>690091608
Again
>i am a scared child who cant protect myself and in that situation would just fire randomly, this means everybody would
Such flawed logic
>>690091798
THIS THIS FUCKING POST HERE
I like how liberal logic is to have hundreds of innocent people executed like cattle then to have a few people with guns that maybe yes they would accidently kill an innocent, but most likely reduced the casualties significantly. But no their logic is keep guns from even more people that would never go to a public place to kill innocent people
>>690091446
Wow you're really stretching this logic pretty far arent you? Clearly you've never even been inside of a night club. Lights on or off, people are packed in there like sardines. It doesn't take precision shooting, it takes a modicum of a line of sight. Which you won't have, because a thousand and one people will be packed in between you and the shooter. Because you're not superman taking on an evil villain, you're a helpless drunk bastard trying to find a needle in a haystack. A dark/lit flashing, over crowded haystack.
>>690082779
I think that some of the staff should have either that or a taser
>>690091788
How many seconds do you honestly think it takes to draw a weapon and fire 10-15 rounds at a target?
>>690091788
>implying i wouldnt make sure my surroundings were free of others
Jesus. Get it together guys, this is what firearms training is for. Why would i just draw my weapon with others in tie path of bullets? Im not the shooter, im concerned with others. You are taught this
>>690091885
It's true though. Studies have shown that any time a civilian has a gun the death count rises by 83.7%
>>690091798
You don't matter that much to anyone except yourself. This self aggrandizement is why the rest of the world is laughing at you.
>one of the last places i want to die is screaming on the ground
>said every mass shooting victim since the dawn of time
>and they still died
>because the guy still had basically unlimited access to guns
>because m-muh 2nd amendment
>>690092203
Source
>>690091799
>murder is rare
You've never even seen a list of the mass shootings in the US, have you?
>>690082779
Because it's a stupid idea to have guns in places like night clubs and bars. Most people there are probably drunk so they would be more likely to hit some random person than the actual shooter
>>690092233
>the rest of the world is laughing at you
So?
>>690092014
Implying that someone won't be close enough with a line of sight. Will OT prevent 100% no, will it reduce # killed yes
>>690092014
You realize your argument holds absolutely no water unless you can use your convoluted example of a nightclub right? One which coincidentally perfectly fits your specific needs.
You are making just as many assumptions and implications and what if'ing the whole thing to death.
>>690082779
It is illegal to posses a fire arm in a public place while consuming alcohol.
Even gun enthusiasts know this is a dumb idea.
Go watch a fucking western if you can't figure out why.
>>690092296
Ok, and lets take out the qualifiers of islam and drugs, lets make this a pure murder issue
>>690092203
>studies
Source faggot
>>690092401
>IF they all had guns they'd still be alive
Welcome to the very definition of "what if"ing.
>>690092448
>>690092306
Read the thread or stfu please. I'm not addressing this again.
>>690092233
>>because the guy still had basically unlimited access to guns
>>because m-muh 2nd amendment
the gun bought legal guns legally and was even turned away from a shop for seeming like a fucking creepo weirdo when he was talking about body armour and "bulk ammunition"... the didn't sell to him and they contacted the authorities.
the FBI already suspected and kept and eye out for the shooter but they dropped the ball too. so local and federal authorities knew about the shooter or suspected him but failed to act.
.... and this is the fault of the 2nd amendment how? lmao fucking kill yourself you dumbass fuck
>>690082779
I just applied for my FOID Card today, but 2 more years and I can obtain a firearm and conceal and carry and BAM!
>>690092448
It's also illegal to buy a gun, walk into a bar and shoot everyone. That law helped out alot didn't it
>>690092416
>nobody moves
>nobody escaped
>everybody died
So that is what you are saying? That everyone died because the place was packed, and nobody moved.
>>690092449
Go ahead. None of those shooters were muslims OR drug addicts.
>>690092581
Fellow illinois bro. Isnt it fun to live in a state with no budget
>>690092556
It is unnecessary to read a thread to respond to the original premise, which I clearly linked.
>reading a troll thread
Wow, no.
>>690092558
This. They reported to FBI weeks ago. And liberal argument is to ban guns because mah guberment will keep me safe
>>690092635
Or involved with drugs? So you are telling me, none of the mass shooters we have had were islamic or sriving by muslim teachings? None?
>>690092618
Yeah. The ones who died were the ones who tried to run to the bathroom (a very tiny space of area packed full of people trying to literally run for their lives). The ones who were injured were the ones who almost died but got rushed to the hospital in time.
Have you ever been in a mosh pit before, son? People are moving, but not going anywhere. Because theres so many people, that there is no space to move to. You're just writhing together in a mass pit of human flesh.
>>690092553
If they all had guns do you believe more or less people would have been killed?
How about half?
How about a quarter?
Is your argument that during a mass shooting, it is always better for the citizens to be completely unarmed? Because that is what you are saying.
>>690092729
Illinoisfag reporting in, can confirm.
>>690092847
I'm telling you that the ones who WERENT muslim OR addicted to drugs STILL had access to assault weapons and whatever else their heart desired.
Basically I'm saying that you don't have to be a fucking muslim to open fire on a crowd of people and there are MULTIPLE examples of that provided above.
Look, it would have been great if a few people in the club had guns that night, but allowing guns into clubs is fucking stupid. You really want a nigga to blow your brains out because you spilled his drink?
>>690092859
If everyone charged the shooter at the same time, problem solved and no guns used and no one dies
>>690092859
So you are saying the club stayed packed for the whole duration? No line of sight would have ever opened up?
>>690082779
IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY OWNED GUNS OR NOT. MANY PUBLIC PLACES SUCH AS NIGHT CLUBS HAVE STRICT NO DEADLY WEAPONS POLICIES THEREFORE THEY WOULDNT BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES ANYWAY...
It's like fighting the Jad with 0 prayer and no prayer potions, better to be prepared
>>690092792
The liberal argument is your keep people who have been on any watch list from buying weapons at all smart guy. The proposals set forth be Feinstein would have prevented this dude from buying guns, but idiots like you (whether or not you're trolling) just start screaming "muh liberty" when nobody is talking about banning guns.
Allow guns into gay clubs only. Call it the 2nd Analmendment.
>>690092792
and he passed the federal background checks despite being interviewed and watched the FBI....
but obama want's to "expand background checks" lmao give me a fucking break
>>690092755
>shitposting 101
gtfo of my thread troll.
>>690093069
HEY YOU GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR CORRECT LOGIC!
>>690093009
Sure, but those ones are rare like i mentioned. Those are the crazies that will kill no matter what. Once you take away drug and gang shootings (the fucking majority) and islam (yes we have mass shootings because of islamic doctrine) mass shootings based on wanting to kill are rare
>>690092874
Listen, either we're what if-ing or this conversation is useless.
>IF they all had guns
>MORE people would've been shot
>because they'd all be trying to shoot the BAD guy with a gun
>which they'd all have
My argument is that if everyone didn't have access to guns, then everyone (including the fucking shooter) would NOT have a gun. And he wouldn't be shooting you either, therefore you'd be on a level playing field instead of just huddling in a corner with a gun in your pocket waiting for the PERFECT MOMENT TO STRIKE, like some commando in the brush of Vietnam.
>>690093223
>my thread
>summer 101
/b/ is not the board for realistic discussion, boy.
>>690093025
If everyone charged a man with a gun, the man shoots as many as possible. How is that any different than what he did? It just lines his targets up in front of him like pretty little unarmed ducks in a row waiting to be slaughtered.
>>690093327
>My argument is that if everyone didn't have access to guns, then everyone (including the fucking shooter) would NOT have a gun
but that argument is fucking stupid because basically you want to be north korea or china.
congrats you statist brainwashed monkey
>>690093177
Underrated
>>690093050
This attack took over 3 hours to end. 3 hours, of him HOLDING HOSTAGES in a PACKED NIGHT CLUB that had what amounts to only one exit.
So yes, I'm saying the club stayed packed. Because they were fucking hostages. A line of sight opened up after they were all either dead or injured. Thats a 50/50 chance for someone with a gun. Either they're already dead by the time the line of sight opened up, or they're wounded on the floor with his gun pointed at their face already.
As a non-American, I hope every single one of you carries at least one gun everywhere they go from now on. It'll be hilarious to watch the death toll shoot up and you retards say 'hurr durr how did this happen another tragedy that no one could have prevented'
>>690093152
First of all that is not the liberal argument. They would love to out right BAN ALL guns. 2nd of all it is unconstitutional to take anyone's rights away without due process.
>>690093327
Man I cannot take you seriously after reading that.
You really telling me that 100 armed people vs 1 and all 100 of them would've been shot? That's what you are saying?
You won't listen to logic when people tell you that it's simply not that difficult to draw a weapon and shoot a guy who isn't actively trying to kill YOU. You can practice it yourself right now. Stick your hand in your pocket, pull it out, and aim your hand at something.
Your argument that if everyone didn't have access to guns is never going to happen and shouldn't have to so it's better to safe than sorry.
By the way I'd say you are actually at an advantage in that scenario because he isn't specifically trying to kill you and he doesn't know you have a weapon and there is a fuck ton of other people in there.
Every gay dude in that club should have had their own personal Chuck Norris
>>690093180
Yes Obama's own solution would NOT have prevented this
>>690093263
>this hilarious logic of "keep the guns we'd still have murders either way"
Don't even bother trying to curb it, the lives lost are marginal once you kill the muslims and drug addicts amirite?
>even though people will still be dying
>at least it wont be AS much
>>690093802
if everyone carried a gun then it would more like the wild west and there would be literally no mass shootings.
when did you ever hear of a mass shooting in the 1800s? that's right faggot, never
Gun restrictions laws will protect me from insane people.
>>690093494
>talks about no guns
>OMG COMMIES
this is why americans still have guns. they're stuck in the cold war era.
>>690086218
This makes me want to make one now.
How cool is it to live in a country where you need to be ready and willing to protect your life with a gun, all the time!
>>690093717
So he held the whole club hostage and not just the people in the bathroom? He held all 800 people in there? Also his attention was never distracted during the time in the bathroom? No dude, you point has been proven wrong by people who were there
>>690093802
Such stupid logic.
What do you envision happening if more people were carrying?
We all just start shooting one another?
>>690087718
Dont forget youre talking to a ballsless autist, so they have likely never grinded a girl in a club at all, let alone someone elses girl
>>690093841
Oh right, the constitution. I keep forgetting that were not allowed to touch that most sacred document, written hundreds of years ago by old white guys concerning things like muskets and yelling fire in a theatre.
Oh what's that? We can make amendments? We can change the? By God, we ALREADY HAVE?!
My bad.
>>690086418
GA here. Us too.
>>690092014
Ok well let me put my personal self in this sitiuation 1st clubs are fun but people rubbing on me is not therefore i would be in the back noted it wouldnt be open but i wouldntbe packed like "sardines" and then id be the last one in the line of fire still i might not have enough time but if i had a gun there would still be that chance and thats all we're trying to say no gun=no chance gun=chance no matter how small
>>690093717
Make up your mind. Either he had hostages, who anyone of them with a gun could have shot him, or the club was still so packed no one would have a line of sight. Also just so you know, if he has a line of sight to shoot you, you would also have one to shoot him
>>690086907
Omar would've had guns regardless
>>690093951
>implying you can regulate violence or murder
Wow we should totally make murder illegal dude, that will stop it. What i am saying is the fact that murder will mever stop, so why punish people who just want to protect themselves. Call them cowards, paranoid, or whatever thing you have to call them, but they should have the ability to protect themselves. You cant dispute this.
>>690093878
Listen to quick draw mcgraw over here. The lone John Wayne of a packed nightclub at 2am.
>tfw most people thought the bangs were part of the music at first
>Your argument is that if everyone didn't have access to guns its never going to happen
My argument is that if it's harder to get hold of a gun, people won't see the point of getting one just for fun shooting sprees. It'll take paperwork and money for permits, and a shit ton of effort that would render "duck hunt for people" kind of useless unless the guy REALLY wants to waste $500+ just to shoot up a club and then kill himself.
>>690094049
what even is your point friend? i have gathered by now that you aren't american (most likely some eurocuck or chink vassal) but what do you want from me?
we aren't giving up the guns so just keep fucking crying about it. not really worth the effort though IMO
>>690094178
>he thinks the founder fathers didnt know weapons would evolve
>he thinks allowing us to radically change the document our laws get held up to is a good thing
>>690094178
Oh I forgot you would rather just have a dictator telling you what you can and can't do, it even have mob rule where the loudest people get their way. So sorry to offend you with my rights
>>690083846
this guy knows
>>690094458
Yes paper work will stop mass shootings......
>>690087341
Soldiers don't carry on base dipshit
>>690093973
...except in every saloon in the country at the time.
>tfw shootouts were totally a legal way to resolve disputes in the 1800s
>tfw cowboys really did exist
Cowboys is what happens when everyone has a gun and no ones regulating them. They shoot whoever the fuck they want to.
Just tuck it right up there while tucking the cock and balls and hope I don't blow my panties off. I always carry a gun when I'm going to a club because everywhere is a war zone according to the assholes who create war zones in nightclubs over their small-penis gun love.
>>690094178
2nd amendment mentioned nothing of muskets, nor knives, nor anything specific. Just arms. Just like they didn't mention the internet, radio, huffington post, buzzfeed, and facebook when they penned freedom of the press as a right. Guess we should change that too since that freedom is outdated and written at a time when these things didn't exist.
>>690082779
If you have to carry a gun to have a good time in a night club then there's something seriously wrong with your country.
>>690094458
Or do the chris rock tactic of making ammo super expensive, but then that disenfranchises the poor
>>690094458
Why would care about money or anything like that he plans on killing himself
>>690094458
lol what a fucking retard.
>>690094178
So tell me what rights would I have in your country with your laws you would love to make? What the guberment can just jail me for any old reason? Some judge is pissed I cut him off in line at the store so he puts me on a terrorist watch list and I'm thrown in jail no court no nothing?
>>690093973
You guys still had plenty of gang shooting each other or having shoot outs with the police though. And thats with crappy old six shooters and rifles. Sure be fun to watch an old school wild west barroom bloodbath play our with AR-15s and glocks.
>>690094178
>tfw the founders who DRAFTED the constitution even admitted that it needs to be rewritten every 10 years to stay relevant
>but no, we'll just hang onto the amendment that was clearly written during the Revolutionary War to protect citizens from having soldiers break into their homes and take their guns from them by force
>the same civilians who also had access to their guns couldnt even stop the soldiers from taking them at gunpoint
>how ironic
>>690094683
those aren't mass shootings friend... that's a shootout in which two or more aggressors are fighting and eventually the sheriff and deputy shows up.....
a "mass shooting" defined on wikipeida is a phenomenon where one or more shooters is firing at crowds/public/gatherings of UNARMED PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES
way to shoot your own argument in the foot, cuckboy :^)
>>690094458
>tfw most people thought the bangs were part of the music at first
Have you ever heard a gun being fired? Especially inside a building? Absolutely no one would think that was part of the music. Have you ever even been to a club for that matter?
As far as your other point, you really think that if someone has committed to go on a shooting spree and then kill themselves that they wouldn't go through the necessary paperwork and spend the money to get a weapon?
>>690094113
You're all shooting each other now anyway, idiot.
GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS
I HAVE THE CORRECT ANSWER
ANERICANS ARE FUCKING STUPID
DRUNK PEOPLE MAKE BAD DECISIONS WITH LOADED GUNS
FAGS DIE, GOD LAUGHS
MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN MORE THAN ENOUGH, THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE AND BLEW IT. FUCK AND KILL ALL MUSLIMS.
>>690094229
>Id be in the back
>where the shooter ISNT
>and id have a clear line of sight
hilarious.
>debating gun control on /b/
>>690094458
>oh god all these paperwork is hard to get a gun I'll just go jump off a bridge or something.
You are truly delusional
>my liberal views will protect me from bad people
>>690095047
No you wouldn't, Call of Duty doesn't count as gun training you fucking faggot. You'd miss and get capped right between the eyes.
>>690094957
No they didn't say rewritten. They have an amendment process only if 4/5 agreement. Iys hard but possible only if super majority agree to prevent dumb added from making shitty laws based on shit like this
I guess it's time to dump my anti gun control get fucked faggot folder
>>690094458
>unless the guy REALLY wants to waste $500+ just to shoot up a club and then kill himself.
Why would someone who is planning to murder a bunch of people and kill himself care about extra paper work or $500? Why would you even make that point?
>>690094248
He isn't trying to have a line of sight, retard. He's trying to kill everyone in every line of sight he has. He has to shoot all the people in front of you just for you to be able to see him. That's not saving lives, that's waiting until the other people are dead so you can jump in and save the day.
It can be both, yknow. He can hold hostages for 3 hours, watching them for suspicious movements. Like taking out a gun and trying to Die Hard a night club.
>>690095047
I never implied I have a clear line of sight I even said I might not even have time to react you're grasping at straws dick
those arms that we give to civilians to defend themselves are the guns that we give to school shooters and terrorists. Absolute ban on all assault rifles and high capacity pistols for civilians. Home defense, military/police force, and hunting in the wilderness are all valid concerns. Military and police should be the ones with high capacity weapons, that's it.
>>690095051
Better than all the other crap
>oh fuck yeah what id do to have kermit the frog piss in my mouth while i get fucked by the cookie monster
>mmmm id totally suck her femine penis
>judy hopps queen of /b/
>>690095257
let's do it
>>690095354
how about no?
>>690095312
Also implying there would be no way for me to get to Higher Ground
>>690095260
Because it would be a waste of money. Why would he want to be ripped off
>>690094660
I'll take gun violence in the EU for 800, Alex.
They DO have access to guns, yknow. Contrary to popular belief, you CAN buy a gun here. If you go through a mountain of bullshit and prove that you aren't getting it for shits and giggles.
>we still have access to guns
>and we still dont have 10K+ people a year dying from gun related incidents
>>690095396
>muh law makers wanna keep my safe
>>690084335
lol, europoors are
>so mad
just move here already, you can finally experience freedom, also you don't have to bend over to Muslims here.
>>690095406
antigun cucks git mad
>>690094785
gets me every time.
>I WOULD SHOOT YOUR ASS
>IF I COULD AFFORD IT.
>>690095499
>implying a suicidal man cares about money
What are you saying?
>>690095624
>>690095312
1) even if that was true, I kill him, less people killed unless I'm the last person left. 2 your assuming no one near him has a gun you fucktard. 3 he can shoot 360 at the same time, someone BEHIND him can still take him out
>>690095693
>>690095406
Handguns, 2011- 7,398
>>690095354
Why
>>690095406
Are you seriously trying to negate the 323 people that were still killed by assault rifles in 2011? Do the world a favor and hang yourself with your own intestines.
>>690082779
There is multitude of jurisdictions that allow and even force off duty cops to carry their weapons. FBI agents also carry while off duty. I'm surprised more of these incidents are not stopped by people who are off duty- seeing how they are usually at large social events.
>>690095016
There are snapchats of people looking around confusedly, and witness testimonies saying that "they thought the bangs were part of the music at first". I'm not making this shit up. Have you ever heard trap music before?
I think that if it took that much effort just to kill someone for a single reason, that people wouldn't see the point. If it takes a year or so it get approved for a license, and it takes hundreds of dollars to do it, some broke college student would just say "fuck it" instead of opening fire on his entire school a la Virginia Tech.
>>690085878
>the victims you shoot
>victims
anon please, if I ever am forced to shoot someone, I guarantee they're trying to hurt me or someone else. Here's an idea, don't commit crimes.
>>690095812
too bad that 3 year old didn't have a gun
>>690095721
There is a manuel out there to make your own stein gun, yes the one from ww2. Super easy to make, doesnt require a lathe. Fully auto, check it out boys. Is it acurate, hell no lol
>>690095778
>>690095170
Welcome to my point.
>>690095324
>therefore I would be in the back
>it wouldn't be open but i wouldnt be packed
>and then id be the last one in the line of fire
>rendering my firearm useless
>since im not using it to do jackshit about whats happening
>and even if i was, id be in the back
>with no line of sight
wow what a shitshow.
>>690095537
And yet violent crimes are still up.....
>>690095942
Or you know buy it illegally?
>>690086098
P22?
>nice
>>690094962
wow. its like he thinks cowboys kept the fights between themselves, the only armed people in town. like they didn't shoot unarmed civilians whatsoever.
>>690090357
Not quite... It really does take more training than that and those guys and coked out Congo kids shoot like every day. It's not just point and click until you get trained. And even then one off breath when shooting a pistol at a target even 7 yards away can take you completely off target. So yeah. Dudes right. Cowadoodie fags.
>>690095257
Yeah but the niggers knew their place back then.
>>690086244
Dubs of truth
>>690095881
It's making a point that there are other things that are far more likely to be used to kill you moron
>>690090461
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. What's so hard about that?
>>690096112
This. Psychopath murderers are the problem, whether they are generic or Islamic, all the same. Crazy is crazy. Disarm the crazy person and you still have a crazy person.
