should guns be legal yes or no?
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should guns be legal yes or no?
I don't understand.
America is already great.
>>689973819
legal guns yes? no?
>>689973164
fucking airsoft gun trying to hide the orange tip
>>689973164
It'd be illegal to make them illegal.
>>689974092
I don't see any orange tip, anon.
Yes. But they should be a lot harder to get.
>>689973164
Yes, and they will be as long as I and my armed brotheren have them.
>>689974128
This
>>689974188
how so?
>>689973164
This isn't a yes or no question.
>>689973164
yes with a reason and permits requiring countersignature from medical professional verifying your mental state and needing regular renewal.
Own firearms in the UK & skeet shoot competitively
>>689973164
It should be illegal for a democrat to own a gun.
Yes.
>>689974334
To a lot of people it is, a great number of people want to ban them outright
>>689974400
That sounds like a lot of cuckery.
>>689973164
I'm generally very liberal on most shit (voted for Sanders) but guns are my most conservative issue. Yes, they should be legal. However yes we should also improve screening. I don't want to take anything away from anybody who is of sound mind, but I really honestly don't see why we're having such a hard time agreeing that we have some crazy troubled assholes out there who really don't need access to deadly weapons.
>>689974423
Only fascists should be able to own guns.
>>689974006
Guns are legal, therefore you should ask if guns should be illegal. ? ffs.
>>689973164
>The states
god your country is so fucked in the near future (more so than now)
I'll leave you to your denial :^)
>>689974400
How long/expensive was the possess? Do you own shotguns or rifles?
>>689974092
Kek
>>689974548
No, fascist democrats are the last people you want armed.
>>689974547
>However yes we should also improve screening. I don't want to take anything away from anybody who is of sound mind, but I really honestly don't see why we're having such a hard time agreeing that we have some crazy troubled assholes out there who really don't need access to deadly weapons.
Omar Mateen had mental screenings when he became an armed prison guard. Mental screenings do not screen out homicidal crazies. It is very easy to keep a straight face and tell a medical professional that you do not have any suicidal or homicidal thoughts.
I don't think you people understand how mental screenings happen. No one scans your brains for malicious thoughts.
>>689973164
Depends on whether Trump's head is inside that cap
>>689974547
I think the trouble comes in when the "left, progressive, liberals etc. etc." ask for more gun control but the Orlando shooter was being watched by the FBI at some point... if he isn't added to a list where he can't pass background check then what the fuck are the feds really doing?
>>689974535
it is but then again its better than mass shootings being more regular than the fucking mail man
>>689974578
don't tell me how to live my life faggot
>>689974590
Europoor detected
>>689973164
In the United States, that's not even up for discussion: It's part of our Constitution.
Now, what should be discussed is how can we reduce the amount of gun violence, keeping the weapons out of the hands of crazy people, terrorists and known, violent criminals.
Unfortunately a law was passed some 20 years ago (at the urging of the NRA) which effectively banned all research in to gun violence and even steps other countries where guns are legal, but gun deaths are low. We could probably learn a lot if we simply studied, say, Switzerland. But the NRA doesn't want that, because all they care about is the people who pay THEM to pay the politicians (ie gun manufacturers).
Every American has the right to own a gun thanks to the Second Amendment. However, thanks to the 14th Amendment, that right CAN be taken away with "due process of law" if someone commits a crime or are generally a shitbag.
Personally I'm betting the ban on research gets lifted, but we all get to keep our firearms. Despite what the radical NRA fucknuggets suggest. "The gubmint want to take our guuuuns!"
>>689973164
Yes, but they have to fire tiny pamphlets on gun safety instead of bullets.
Guns are tools. It's the messed up people that use them wrong. Should we have alcohol in the US? Wait they already banned that before and what came out of that? Illegal alcohol. So if you take the guns out of the hands of the good guys then only the bad guys have them. Do you think the bad guys are going to give them up. Hell no. How do we defend ourselves?
>>689973164
OFC IT SHOULD BE FUCK THESE NON AMERICAN NO BILL OF RIGHTS FAGGOTS
yes. In the places that choose it so for their people.
but where do we draw the line. what gun is too unsafe for civilian handling? there are plenty, but the real problem is what person is not safe around a gun?
>>689974334
it is. and a question that should be left up to each country to democratically decide on their own.
>>689973164
yes
>>689973164
1. That's a pellet gun.
2. yes they should be legal.
3. asdfdsa
>>689974852
my mail man comes every day but sunday.. mass shootings aren't that prevalent. you are just mashing them all together. people still talk about columbine and that was more than 15 years ago
NEED GUN TO REMOVE KEBAB, YES LEGAL
>>689974092
nah...its just a piece of shit walther p22
>>689974697
both. Shotguns you require a standard permit which isnt expensive to obtain but it makes sure you are committed to the sport before buying to stop shitheads owning guns on a whim but the rifles i had to provide the use and the caliber for the FAC. its to stop you getting a .308 just to rail rabbits.
>>689974279
More like pilot licensing. Anyone can be a pilot, if they pass the written and practical tests, spend the appropriate time in training, pass the psych and medical evals, and re-up their licensing every few years. It's not hard; it just requires the appropriate allocation of resources and time. It's not a casual decision.
In fact, this is very similar to the procedure many other countries have for getting a firearm.
>>689973164
Only non negros should be able to own guns, solves the heavily lopsided murder statistics
>>689974931
I agree it's left up to the handler to decide how to use it. but they are tools of death, no less. not every incident occurs by some mentally ill individual, but rather sometimes someone who is incompetent in the care for the weapon. someone who leaves it in a place where someone besides themselves can get it, or leave it chambered why they "clean" it.
some people should not be allowed to have firearms. and it's not just muslims, children, and crazies.
>>689973164
why do we need guns
>what if an intruder has a gun?
why does the intruder have a gun
>because its legal
>>689974852
kek'd
>>689974766
I'm not a mental health professional so I have no specific rebuttal to this except to agree that you're right that it's hard. If it were easy we'd probably already be doing it.
>>689974813
>if he isn't added to a list where he can't pass background check then what the fuck are the feds really doing?
Exactly.
>>689973164
Berman P1 pellet pistol, German made
>>689974931
Yes... they are tools whose purpose is killing.
Shotguns and hunting rifles have the purpose of killing animals.
Pistols and assault rifles have the purpose of killing humans.
>>689973164
no. but they already are and have been in america for too long
theres no going back now. pandora's box cant be closed. and like this guy >>689974931 said, it would be less safe for the average law abiding citizen to be stripped of their firearms in a country with about 300 legally registered firearms and probably twice as many or more illegal ones going about
>>689974813
Not the Feds fault. It's the fault of the NRA drones in Congress, also known as the GOP. They've blocked all attempts to make people on the Terrorist Watch List unable to buy weapons.
>>689975465
Beeman I meant
>>689974877
Slavery was also in the Constitution, until later it wasn't.
guys, if we make find illegal all the bad guys will just turn them in
>>689973164
shall not be infringed.
it's pretty simple.
it means fuck your opinion either way.
>>689975255
would it be possible for a civilian to justify anything over .22 on the request form things?
>>689975398
So if it was illegal the intruder could not get a gun?
Share your magic with the war on drugs bro. You could save a lot of heroine addicts.
>>689975565
What do guns and enslaving people have in common?
>>689975576
god damnit
>>689974590
Well you better stay out then. Trust me, we don't need you.
>>689975364
If only we could. Maybe the black on black murder rate would drop below 4x that of white on white.
>>689975565
No it wasn't. Stop believing everything Anderson tells you
>>689975598
That's a really intelligent and insightful argument you have there.
>>689975554
if they only spent little extra resources building a wall or a fence.
>>689974813
>ask for more gun control but the Orlando shooter was being watched by the FBI at some point... if he isn't added to a list where he can't pass background check then what the fuck are the feds really doing?
He was being investigated, he was interviewed by the FBI, and the FBI determined he wasn't breaking any laws and he was no threat. He was taken off the watchlist.
>>689973164
I think firearms (not guns, you dumb faggot) should be legal but well-regulated. There ought to be restrictions on what can and cannot be bought by the general population. For example, I certainly do not believe automatic rifles should be easily obtainable, especially weapons like the Mk. 2 or M-240G. Semi-automatic rifles are a somewhat tricky issue for me. On one hand, they enable massacres. On the other hand, they also represent an insignificant percentage of gun deaths and I'm certainly more concerned about handguns and pistols.
>>689975522
it's not just the terror watch list faggot or the the "no fly list" if this guy (orlando monkey) is being watched once, twice, three fucking times then he should be added to a different list all together. not some arbitrary "no -fly" list post 9/11 bullshit
it is the FEDS fault for having an eye on the guy and then failing to act. not the owner of the gun store who sold the gun legally.. not the manufacturers who made the gun.. the fucking KILLER is 100% responsible but if you want to lay blame lay it on the dumbass feds
>>689973164
well duh. they shuold be legal. what's next, not being able to fuck my pillow? wtf
Make Amercia Rage Again
I'm a gun owner, and I think we do need a better process for more stringent background checks, mental health consideration, and better training before issuing a carry permit. It's not the guns that need the control, its the people. The Supreme Court has already declared that the 2nd amendment does in fact declare the right of the people to keep and bare arms. If that is unacceptable to you, you're welcome to leave the US whenever you feel like it. Bye!
>>689973164
If you make guns illegal, how will drivers on the freeway know I'm mad at them?
>>689973774
>>689973865
>>689974188
>>689974400
kys liberal faggots
>>689975830
welp i guess they didn't watch hard enough then. there is no reason to ban the tool because it was used improperly. idiot
>>689974771
>Hillery cuck right here.
Hmm Fascist or Treasonous Cunt that deserves to be put up in front of a firing squad. Take your pic
>>689975745
It's the truth. We were born with the right. The constitution outlines it. It does not grant it. It makes you aware of it.
Fuck your feelings.
>>689975938
middle finger?
Are there people in this thread who actually think America would violate the constitution and make guns illegal? lmao
>>689973164
Nope.
>>689975667
it's ok to be addicted to heroines
>>689975680
I'm just pointing out that being in the Constitution doesn't make it morally right... it just reflects a political decision made at a specific point in time.
>>689975740
Who the fuck is Anderson?
I'm quoting the Constitution:
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
>>689975507
>>Pistols and assault rifles have the purpose of killing humans.
Killing humans is the purpose of the 2nd amendment.
>>689975522
That's because the "Terror Watchlist" is a means for the government to punish and restrict the rights of citizens who hold the wrong political beliefs. People have been put onto the "Terror Watchlist" for simply being opponents of the Death Penalty and not allowed onto planes anymore.
The entire idea of a secret list you can get put on for nebulous purposes, with zero knowledge, and zero way to appeal or get off of it, should terrify you. Especially when being on that list deprives you of your rights protected by the US constitution.
Yes. 98% of all killing is done with illegal guns. Why not try to lower that number legally?
>>689975997
Lol, it was a joke, I'm not real involved in politics, and you can see the pistol I have here >>689975465
>>689975630
yes i have a 308 for deer but you need to state a reason and prove you have the land to use it on e.g. you need a consent from a farmer allowing you to hunt on his land and his land needs to be spacious enough for the use of firearms. If you target shoot you need to be a regular member of a range and they need to 2nd your application.
>>689974494
This
>>689976068
You can't shoot out the tires of a civic with a middle finger. And don't you go telling me to use my horn, a gun shot grabs far more attention.
>>689975667
>heroine addicts
i'm not sure they need saving, is the problem. kind of a harmless vice no? i mean you end up in a lot of trees or dangling over cliffs or whatever but eventually it all works out.
Yes, obviously. Change background checks from a federal level to a state level when it comes to processing them, which would make them more thorough and quicker.
Yes how else am i suppose to kill niggers? with a rope ? that's so 1800
>>689975930
I am skeptical about how actionable mental health screenings would be. There is no central database that manages those records, and as such it would fall onto the buyer to disclose their medical history. As someone who just went to MEPS, that rarely happens.
Further, what do we classify as a "dangerous" mental illness?
>>689976297
what is this statistic that you are pulling out of you ass?
>>689973164
Niggers and muslims should be illegal.
>>689976064
>implying a piece of paper can't be wrong because it was written by your forefathers
>blindly following something because "it's always been this way"
>>689976229
Slavery was a state decision, that was put in so because the south wanted more representation because dem dam yanks. The constitution didn't say anything about slavery.
>>689976462
it need to be consistent across all states dumb ass. that's the whole point.
>>689976363
This is a sound argument. I want more people like you to drive on the streets of my town.
>>689974400
>with a reason
Self-defense. 2nd amendment. Recreation What reason are you looking for?
>requiring countersignature from medical professional verifying your mental state
This doesn't work
>>689974547
>improve screening
How? Sociopaths are pretty good at lying and keeping their condition secret. You can seriously lie to the questions they ask and get guns
>>689975398
>>because it's legal
Millions of unregistered firearms obtained illegally. Lots of gun related homicides aren't from legally purchased firearms
>>689973164
The simple solution will be to execute all the people that want to ban guns, it's not like they can resist anyway...
A Stalin type purge will do the trick.
Problem solved.
>>689975816
Dude you just blew my fucking mind
>>689976363
k
how about paintballs?
happy medium
>>689973164
For hunting only. Your gun should be held by police in an armory when you're not using it.
Statistically speaking having a gun around makes you more likely to get killed, whether by murder or by accident it's just a stupid risk. Also criminals get their guns by robbing gun owners (lol) which is why you need an armory.
>>689974547
So your most conservative position is actually liberal?
Interesting.
How can you make them illegal? It is a human right to defend yourself and your family
>>689973164
yes, absolutely.
it's silly to think that outlaws will suddenly behave because you changed the laws.
it's silly to think that the u.s. will suddenly become a bunch of scarf-wearing, dildo-riding eurocucks because you changed the laws.
the only people who care about gun violence are faggots and third-world busy bodies who spend their days obsessing over the united states because their countries haven't done anything since the days of powdered wigs.
>>689976307
It's a nice set my stepdad gave me
>>689976616
and then we could make america more like switzerland where everyone owns a gun?
>>689973164
Too vague. In general, yes, but like every right it still has its limitations.
>>689976666
pussy
youre a goddam idiot if you think stats matter when most niggers shoot eachother all day and ride those stats up
guns dont shoot themselves
>>689976546
"Three fifths of all other persons" means "three fifths of slaves." In other words, the slaves held in a state counted towards its proportional representation in Congress.
Of course the Constitution didn't create slavery, but it recognized it and sanctioned it.
>>689976666
this is a troll right? or are you dumb? quads wasted
>>689976064
We weren't born with any rights you fucking moron. You and I and everyone else are just walking talking pieces of shit.
>>689976515
> implying go fuck your dog.
It does not grant the right you fucking rock. It outlines it and makes you aware of it. We were born with the right.
>>689973164
Dunno should we have our constitutional rights
Yes or no
>>689973164
It doesn't really matter.
>>689976688
Pretty moderate, really. I have no REALLY conservative positions.
>>689976575
>Lots of gun related homicides aren't from legally purchased firearms
at one point, they were legal, right? why don't we try to prevent our legal firearms from being modified or illegally distributed?
>>689976831
well that's what is up for debate right now anon. congress is talking about personal gun ownership being a constitutional right
>>689976468
*sigh*
How times have changed
>>689976699
Mass shootings are not usually committed by "outlaws." Mass shootings are typically committed by superficially normal people who don't really have criminal connections and would never be able to get an assault rifle if it wasn't sold at a store.
>>689976322
for target shooting would that only be able to justify a .22?
thanks for the information btw
>>689975465
hand of faggot
>>689976780
If you're attacked and you have a gun on you statistics show you're more likely to die than if you were to just run away. It's objective fact kiddo.
>>689976493
Truer words have never been said
I shed a tear
>>689977010
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but mass shootings are indeed against the law.
>>689976575
how doesnt medial evaluation work? admittedly someones mental health can deteriorate quickly between renewals but it prevents people currently in poor mental health purchasing firearms.
2nd amendment requires amendment you no longer live in the 18th century where dueling and civil war is prevalent
You wouldn't need a gun for self defense if every pleb didnt had one
No one's ever thought "I sure am glad i don't have a gun right now" when someone tried to murder them.
Also... as far as history is concerned: I'm sure governing bodies have the most confirmed kills of people. Them being the ones to say we aren't allowed to have the means to protect ourselves is akin to the person playing banker in monopoly not letting anyone have cash but themselves.
Liberal here, own a gun. We should be allowed to own guns. I wouldn't object to required training though. Just to keep the idiots in check.
>>689976794
I was clearly both with rights because I'm fucking packing. YOU were clearly not born with any rights.
>>689976827
>We were born with the right
only because you're born in America, where a piece of paper says it is so. this is not a universal right. there are no universal rights.
>>689976719
Yes.
Because there won't be any antigun people left.
It is a legitimate solution to the problem, and helps the environment by reducing overpopulation.
>>689976789
All I'm saying is is that that part is less relevant than the bill of rights. That was basically put in to appease the southern states.
>>689973164
yes
>>689976975
I know and I think it's fucking stupid
What next ,they will want to censor us because of muh feelings
>>689977111
>If you're attacked and you have a gun on you statistics show you're more likely to die than if you were to just run away
>run away
>>689977156
but they're not usually committed by Tony Two-fingers, and other career criminals.
>>689977169
I'm packing too but that doesn't mean we were born with any inherent rights you special snowflake faggot.
>>689977099
>Select all images with sandwiches
Guns kill people...
Cigarettes kill people...
Alcohol kills people...
Drugs kill people...
Cancer kills people...
Nuclear weapons kill people...
Automobiles kill people...
Bears kill people...
Always the symptoms, never the root cause...
Guns don't kill - PEOPLE KILL...
An aircraft is the microcosm of a gun free society.., fuckers use box cutters...
No guns? Domeone uses a presdure cooker, bleach and ammonia - lets ban Clorox...
MORONS....
>>689977170
You were born in a place with a piece of paper saying you can't do it. I didn't need the fucking paper to tell me I could.
>>689977163
In retrospect they do though.
The numbers are clear, if you defend yourself you're at more risk than if you'd just fled.
Even if you can't run simply not fighting can mean the difference between life and death. But you're not into facts, you're into action movies and that's why you're a public health hazard aka gun owner.
>>689977156
Mass shootings are made possible by easy access to high-powered weaponry.
Imagine a nerd killing 49 people with a brick or a knife.
Serious response: I have no problem with concealed carry handguns except in bars, clubs, etc basically anywhere dumb fucks congregate to drink. Family restaurants that sell alcohol I don't give a fuck.
If you want to buy an AR15 or other assault type rifle then you should have a pretty extensive background check and at least a 15 day waiting period. No fly list then no gun, to argue otherwise is just retarded.
If you are charged with a felony then your right to own any guns should be suspended pending the resolution of your charges, same thing for misdemeanor family violence charges. Finally, not sure how to accomplish this exactly, but there needs to be a way that a doctor who feels a person is mentally unstable can report it without fear of being sued or shot by said person.
Been also thinking about having liability insurance for gun owners but not too sure how hash out the details since alot of fuck tard gun collectors have them laying around all over the place ready for any nigger to break in and steal them. You should have at least a gun locker.
>>689977252
>run away
niggers run faster than you whitey
>>689977447
don't underestimate nerds, they can figure out how to build bombs i'm sure.
>>689977313
Nobody said anything about Tony Two-fingers.
Once you commit a crime, you're an outlaw. Not before.
I don't support the thought police mentality of modern leftists.
>>689977442
I feel fucking awesome knowing there are several people around me at any given time with a gun. I feel like fuck your feeling and your stats
>>689977643
It doesn't matter how you feel.
Objectively speaking you're at risk.
I'm sure faggots who take bareback dickings in alleys feel great about it until they get AIDS too.
>>689977442
This is false.
>>689977608
Bomb making is easy if you can chemistry. Although most fags wanna try crap from ACB which is absolute Hollywood bs
>>689977453
well thought out and respectable opinion. Good job anon
>>689977157
>how doesnt medial evaluation work?
If someone is fucked up and wants guns, they will lie to all the questions asked and seem normal?
If someone has bad intentions, a magical
screening process can't detect that
>2nd amendment requires amendment you no longer live in
I'm alive and the second amendment exists. Therefore, it's my right to own firearms and defend myself if need be.
Don't be one of those faggots who says the 2nd is not relevant just because it was written a while ago. That mindset is like saying the 1st only applies to letters and speech
>You wouldn't need a gun for self defense if every pleb didnt had one
Right. Because if guns are """"banned""" everyone will give them up, right
t. moron
>>689976493
that would get rid of 18 of the last 82 mass murders. a reduction of roughly 21%.
while we trample on the liberties of millions of people.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0nana
>>689977190
The Bill of Rights was tacked on by amendments enacted, like an afterthought, after the original Constitution had already been passed. One might argue that the amendments are less important than the "core" Constitution.
Anyway, my point was that being in the Constitution doesn't automatically make it right. Everything about the Constitution was political.
>>689973164
yeah but should be harder to get one. and also military graded weapons should be banned from civillians
>>689977827
>Objectively speaking you're at risk.
You are wrong. See here:>>689977848
Gun licencing. Yes it is our right to own them. That'll never change. But we should have to EARN them.
Heck, if all you /b/tards have them then we KNOW we're in trouble.
6 weeks training, on the range and in the classroom. That gets you an AR-15. Not before (War Vets, law enforcement, etc. Exempt)
Further training gets you concealed-carry.
And all this tactical shit?!
Body armour needs special requirements too.
>>689976565 Tell the damned police that! Damned fagots.
>>689976642 Paint balls? when not toss a whffle at them?
I'm a proud 'Merican who's never gone a day without holding, cleaning, and shooting a gun. Sure, I've been shot twice: once at my wedding, and once when I was drunk I shot my foot as I took a pee. But other then that they are perfectly safe.
Know who's not safe? A guy without a gun. Too many crazies out there.
>>689977453
You're over 6 times more likely to be killed by a knife than you are by a rifle. Why the hate for the AR15? It's because it's black, isn't it?
>>689973164
yes, you moron.
>>689977557
>what is green text
>>689977777
>>689977439
we were all born in places with pieces of paper telling us all what we can and cannot do. there are no human rights. only state and country appointed ones. you have a right to own a gun. An Afghani man has a right to rape his women. what's the difference. I mean, besides the obvious, one is a mere possession, with it's own situation going on, and the other is a deplorable act against another human being. but there is a piece of paper saying it's a right you're born with.
>>689977442
Then the next time your robbed or attacked. Tell me how safe you felt without a gun.
>>689973164
I have that same hat. Spencers gift store. Fuck you OP. Trying to act cool. The irony is the hat being fake.
>>689977453
Ar15 isn't an assault rifle dumb fuck
>>689973164
Both have pros and cons but if you make them legal, do it everywhere, don't create "gun free zone" because they become shooting ranges.
Anyone who says no is a faggot who never shot a gun and probably lives in some rich suburb where there isn't any crime.
>>689977447
God, you're a pussy. Who gives a fuck? Why do you care so much? You live in faggotville. Go lick AIDS off your lover's anal warts already.
>>689977920
*NOT A REAL PERSON OR OPINION. - Some sorta cartoon character or something....
>>689978021
Exactly
>>689978021
or probably lives in a country with literally no need for a firearm.
>>689977979
That's the difference between the country I live in and the country you live in.
>>689977852
Still easier with guns. Bombs have to be built, planted, detonated, etc, all without getting caught.
>>689977925
It's because it looks like the automatic rifle from country strike
And people are too dumb to search the difference
>>689977453
Anyone who thinks ARs should be banned is fucking retarded.
They're a small portion of the murders commit with handguns and they're not even better for mass murder.
The old record, VA tech was just two hand guns. Lanza and Gay guy could have easily pulled it off with handguns since most of their kills were from cornering people.
>>689978173
you don't know what country I live in. but yours is apparent.
>>689977453
>No fly list then no gun
Holy lack of Due Process Batman!
Guns will be banned - The 2nd Amendment WILL be repealed within 20 years.
Guns will be confiscated after the ban - Men like me will come to your homes and take your guns.
From your cold, dead hands? Not a problem, the American government excels in the business of killing.
Guns Are Done. Hillary 2016!
>>689978021
shouldn't the rich suburbs be where all the crime is? and since the inner city is full of guns, where is there so much gun violence there?
>>689977442
Sheep, this is what you're saying. No action is the best defense?
If a man were attacking your kids, you'd run... Because no action is always the better option...
>>689978199
I prefer bombs over guns any day, because the boom sends bodies flying everywhere
>>689977925
Mag capacity. Rate of fire. Stopping power. Rails for scopes, threads for silencers etc
>>689977920
The police should have fewer guns, no question.
But that's a tricky proposition, given how many high-powered guns are floating around on the streets due to lax gun laws.
>>689977385
>microcosm
Do you even know what that means
Since muslims hate gays, Mr Saudi Pants has started a pro-gay movement within the muslim world.
>>689978347
sure thing, kid.
>>689978164
Yea, some country that doesn't have niggers breaking into people's homes and robbing people at gun point every day.
Though from what I've seen on the internet Europe is turning a bit more niggerish.
>>689978116
Wow, you're right. I never thought of it that way.
You know, I learned something today.
Thank you for the careful analysis and convincing argument, friend.
>>689977848
Is that why states with stand your ground laws have increased homicide rates of 7-10%? Super effective!
>>689978493
That's gay
>>689977442
That's faggy bait. Maybe your attacker will pity you when you shit your pants. After he's done raping your wife you can go on living forever until the end of time because you didn't touch an evil gun.
>>689978495
Low quality bait
>>689978375
>high powered guns
>lax gun laws
You have no idea of what you're talking about
Please find one of those"high powered gun" put it in your mouth and pull the trigger
>>689978007
But you can use them as one. You can shoot your way in, shoot a whole bunch of people, hold others hostage, Then shoot them...you know....assault.
>>689978514
It's because those states are full of knuckle-dragging savages.
>>689977984
I'll be able to because I won't have a gun which means I won't be 4x more likely to be shot to death by my attacker.
>>689978303
Do people just run up and attack your children? You must have some ugly children. Good luck protecting them using a concealed handgun and not accidentally shooting them and a few other innocent bystanders. Oh and there's that whole 4x more likely to be disarmed and murdered thing.
>>689978514
I don't know who to listen to.
The National Academies of Science?
Or Some moron on the internet?
>>689975507
>Pistols and assault rifles have the purpose of killing humans.
No. Their purpose is to fire a projectile and for short-med range engagements
The target is up to the shooter
>>689978733
I have no idea what your point is.
Come back when you graduate high school, kid.
>>689978287
we have rent a cops patrolling our neighborhood all night, in addition real cops are just minutes away. I live in a gated community though.
>>689978750
By your definitons this is an assault rifle
>>689977877
the medical evaluation is not a one time test its ratification by a medical professional who has known you for a minimum of i think 3-5 years so your GP or something and he checks your medical records for instances of mental instability. its not the be all and end all evaluation but its a useful step to prevent depressives and lunatics getting firearms
The amendment was drafted in a time period of civil unrest and where dueling and banditry was a regular occurrence. Your fucking vice president killed the treasury secretary and founding father in a duel, can you honestly tell me the times and laws haven't changed from then??
Yea its not an overnight fix dipshit you dont just ban guns and they all go away but restrict them and the number will filter out overtime
>>689978851
would you go hunting deer with one without looking like the world's biggest fucking douche bag? If not then we need to control its fucking sale. Simple.
>>689978375
There aren't high powered guns on the street. If you own a high powered gun and needed money, you could just, ya know, sell the gun. People rob people with shit cheap guns because they DON'T have money.
>>689978851
If you're just going to use it for target practice, then it's just a toy.
Killing people is its true purpose.
American gun nut here. Real shit, shooting and hunting have always been apart of my life since I was 4 years old. I have served four years in the army and am now a productive member of society working in the medical field. I have my CCW for the state of california. I can be trusted with a firearm. That being said I am not against stricter gun control. Not everyone should be able to purchase just ANY firearm. I think we should make semi autos harder to obtain, maybe something along the lines of how people have to obtain full automatics or suppressors. A shit load of money, loads of paperwork and extensive background checks and a state tax stamp. There is no reason someone who was on a watch list for making claims that he had ties to islamic extremist groups should have been able to pick up a AR15. That being said there are a lot of responsible gun owners out there. But I would say more so there are a lot of morons out there that I do not feel comfortable with knowing they have a firearm
>>689973982
America never was great
>>689978963
So enlighte me of how easy is to get those high powered weapons
I mean if you think it's easy it's because you know how the whole process works right
>>689977557
>haha blacks run faster than you you should just die because youre white and have no chance to defend yourself
kill yourself cuckold
>>689979169
We should just outlaw smoking to be honest family.
>>689973164
>this threat
>loud european confusion here
>>689979207
Is this like the /b/ was never good meme?
>>689979207
at one point it was.
the america trump is talking about is not that point, anyhow.
>>689979132
Amen, brother!
>>689977111
>scriptfag
>hates guns
>fat
>libcuck
>cant into self defense
>doesnt understand civil liberty
>would wet self in event of violence
??????? did i miss anything
>>689977877
I have bi polar disorder, quite apparent but don't take any meds for it. I've been to so many doctors and therapists and taken many evaluations, it's so fucking easy to pass those it's not even funny.
>>689978995
Oh God no. Stupid media at it again. Left out "semi" so now all these stupid people that don't need guns to live their life will have a void argument against you fucking gun junkies.
>>689978963
his point is you're ignorant as shit, and as such have no grounds upon which to voice such grossly opinionated argument and ever stand a chance to have it be deemed valid instead of completely retarded.
>>689978514
>not realizing that the strict gun laws come from the criminals there and not the other way around.
ugh
>>689973164
Yes
>>689978851
you can also use it to dig holes and plug up dykes. so what? you can use a hammer to keep a door from sliding shut. That does not stop the true use for which is was creating: violently pushing little pieces of metal into wood and conversely also retrieving said pieces of metal once embedded, in the case of the hammer, and the killing of other human beings in the case of "assault" rifles. .
>>689978514
States with Stand Your Ground laws just happen to be in the South because more people in the South value self defense.
Look at percentage of black people if you want to see the real correlation between homicide and other factors. It's a lot more than a measy 7-10% of a few cherrypicked states.
>>689977087
np
no target shooting you can get larger rifles i knew a guy who shot longrange targets with a 7.62 range rifle but you just need to belong to a range like bisley if you are UK and show the police you have a use for the caliber
>>689977453
its not legal to drink while you are carrying a gun in america
>>689978506
The response was equally as stupid as your statement.
You want to brand every tax-paying law-abiding citizen as Adam Lanza (or whatever the fuck his name was) and that's just silly.
So what? A thousand people died? Because of a dozen or so nut jobs? There are millions of these weapons in the United States. Using your extrapolated thinking the United States should be a crater by now. It's not. Even elementary statistics can tell you the random sample isn't significant and does not constitute a trend. You don't have to freak out over every little thing and you don't have to rob people of their rights every time someone dies.
>>689979207
you're right. america is right now the best it ever was. there's no need to go backwards.
>>689974877
Yeah the government doesn't want our guns. Wtf are you smoking hardcore gun grabbers all Dems like Pelosi have said it plain as day. "Mr. And Mrs America turn them all in.
Incrementalism is the name of the game. Same way it was done in the UK. Make it such a pain in the ass to own a gun then ban them once gun owners are a small marginalized minority. Did the UKs exteremly strict gun laws prevent a member of parliament from being murdered?
I have guns, but I vote to make them illegal so that fewer people will be on my level of power.
>>689979169
matches ARE only used to start fires, obviously. literally that is the first thing they do is light themselves on fire. ]
if a gun only shot itself i'd have no problems with you owning one.
>>689979098
If you are using a sword to not kill people it's just a toy. Killing people ate the true purpose of swords.
>>689973164
define "gun"
>>689979599
Not a "Yes or No " answer. Think about it, people.
Yes - it's out right.
But
Have you ever seen those crazy people on the street, or at work?
Should EVERYBODY be allowed a firearm?
I don't think so.
>>689974547
Lucas?
>>689973164
Yeah because making murder illegal sure made niggers stop
>>689977447
exactly. that's the whole point. even a nerd with a regular sort of gun, a long bolt aciton rifle. he'd maybe kill 1 or 2 before he was bitch slapped down.
Guns should be legal, they need to implement the technology in Minority Report, problems solved
YES, but the availability and lethality of them should be heavily regulated and tracked/monitored.
The NRA should also be disbanded and its key members imprisoned for sedition.
>>689979083
You've never been boar hunting, huh?
It's a rifle, which "looks" like a military rifle.
>>689979826
murder was never made legal fucktone. when we invented laws it was the fucking first one.
>>689976716
>stepdad
it didnt work since you didnt an hero and leave him and your mom alone.
>>689974494
>having a gun at the night club was illegal - which is why the shooter went there
This. Proclaiming to be a "gun free zone" is like stripping yourself naked, bending over, lubing your butthole, and cuffing yourself to a fence. Then being surprised if someone fucks your ass.
>>689976575
>Lots of gun related homicides aren't from legally purchased firearms
It's fucking amazing how few people realize this.
>>689976909
>prevent our legal firearms from being modified
If it exists, someone will find a way to modify it.
>>689977385
>fuckers use box cutters
>a pressure cooker
>bleach and ammonia
>Guns don't kill - PEOPLE KILL
Exactly. Hence why crime and murder didn't suddenly appear upon the invention of the firearm.
>>689977453
>AR15
>assault type rifle
The AR15 is not an assault rifle, it's not even a particularly good rifle. PIC RELATED
>>689979816
No, fortunately. That's a gay name.
>>689979928
fuck no i've never been boar hunting. the hundreds of rednecks who do can go fuck themselves. learn to shoot better with a regular gun you faggot.
>>689979971
yeah, and it did a lot of fucking good keeping niggers from doing it, just like banning guns won't change shit except disarm law abiding citizens. fuckmelody
>>689980126
there was someone there with a gun. still 50 people died.
>>689979883
...he's right. Problem solved!
>>689975834
It's extremely difficult to legally obtain any kind of automatic weapon already and they're completely illegal without all the forms and permits
>>689973164
shotguns and semi-automatic rifles should be legal for hunting but that's all
>>689980126
you convinced me. ban 'em both. there's no reason why yuo need a magazine in a gun.
>>689980396
go fuck yourself
>>689974877
First of all, that bit about the "well-regulated militia" COMPLETELY changes the meaning of what most retarded rednecks think the right to bare arms is.
1. REGULATED. The government can impose safety rules and controls on who gets them and what kinds they can have.
2. Necessary Militia - The amendment came BEFORE Manifest Destiny. We're talking fucking covered wagons going west to settle and seek fortunes. Hostility and the need to hunt was everywhere and you could count the number of police precincts on one hand. Literally, the 2nd Amendment PREDATED the police system. Now that we have police, it's 100% fucking deprecated.
Yes I know the crooked as shit Conservatrash on the Supreme Court disagree because they think that the "need to stop tyranny of government" is synonymous with "boo hoo the president is a democrat and I don't like that!", but FUCK THEM. THIS is the true meaning of it.
Furthermore, antiFederalist, antigovernment fucktarded lunatics who keep AR-15s "just incase the government "tries" to come for them" should be the FIRST people BANNED from owning an weapon that's more lethal than a spork. That's treason and sedition and they should be charged.
>>689980126
These are both assault rifles.
>>689980284
and what you think fucking niggers invented murder? have you seen pictures of africa? they barely invented fire. fuckhaiku
>>689978514
Because Southern States have way more niggers. States like Maine and VT have just as loose of gun laws (Maine has the loosest in the nation), but they have the lowest rates of violence.
>>689979083
>If not then we need to control its fucking sale
How?
>>689979098
>Killing people is its true purpose.
>>689979437
>killing other humans
No. When a man buys a gun, his first thought isn't: "Fuck yeah. Got myself an AR-15. Gonna fucking kill someone!"
A gun is a gun. It can be used for good or bad. A bullet can be fired at the side of a barn or a criminals trying to kill you, it can collected and used for recreation. The right to own them is protected . They have no preference. It's simply designed to fire projectiles. The thought of killing people is up to the owner
>>689980677
No they aren't you dumb fuck
>>689980636
>The government can impose safety rules and controls on who gets them and what kinds they can have.
False.
Educate yourself please.
>>689980219
Say this when a singular of boars come at you... Enjoy your processed steak faggot, grab the keys to your Cabriolet, Kruger's is calling...
>>689980357
I know. OP asked if firearms should be legal, and I told him yes but some systems should be stringently regulated. I never said automatic weapons were easily obtainable.
>>689980763
They are both specifically manufactured to be used in war. One was primarily used in WWII.
>>689980636
I own an AR-15. It has never been used to hurt anyone. Why should mine be taken away without due process of law?
>>689980703
who the fuck said murder was a nigger exclusive. they're the primary example for the simple fact that they commit the most and often with illegally purchased firearms. fucknovel
No but the US should have more gun control.
Do Something!!
Will Somebody PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!
>>689980813
>singular of boars
fuck off you fucking redneck geek. is that even possible?
>>689980317
And it would of been 100+ if the police hadn't ended it. Disarmed country like England, cops fon't use gubs...
>>689973164
HERE I AM SHITPOSTING THE SAME GOD DAMN ARGUMENT EVERY DAY AND EVERYONE RESPONDS THE EXACT SAME WAY AND IF YOU PARTAKE IN THESE CONVOS YOU'RE JUST REITTERATING WHAT SOMEONE ALREADY SAID YESTERDAY AND THEY WERE JUST DOING WHAT SOMEONE DID THE DAY PRIOR AND ITS AND ENDLESS CYCLE OF RETARDS DEBATING THE SAME GOD DAMN THING
>>689980925
That's not how it works
>>689980604
why?
keep beleiving the myth that that government wants to take your guns
keep spouting stale talking points
>>689980126
>AR15 not an assault rifle
>not even a particularly good rifle
true and true but its styled as an assault rifle and with modification can be or close to automatic. Military weapons are designed for killing people and it doesnt help the ar15 that its designed to be low profile compact easy to field strip clean and assemble just like military firearms.
>>689980982
niggers certainly do not commit the most in the US. perhaps niggers account for the most per capita sinnce they are a minority. learn how statistics works. fuckbivariate
>>689973164
Should guns be legal?
yes
Should there be a waiting period for ALL guns?
yes
Should assault rifles be banned?
yes
Should Donald Trump be exiled?
yes
Is op a fag?
yes
>>689980126
>bolt action vs magazine in a semiautomatic rifle
>stabilizer for accuracy in group targeting spreadfire
Nigga, what are you doing?
>>689979169
or maybe they should make guns that only work if you squeeze the trigger 5 times and keep them out of the wind
>>689980757
AND THE OWNER HAS A GUN! This is the problem!
>>689976559
The states would handle the federal background checks, do you realize how much the FBI has to sift through?
Why bother arguing?
None of you faggots ever change your minds.
>>689981342
make guns never work when you pull the trigger and you have to fucking shake it just as you're trying to impress a skanky gutter slut outside a dive bar.
>>689973164
walther will make america great again
>>689981276
Fuck off Nigger go look for a handout somewhere
>>689980925
I hope you don't vote...
Jesus christ, are you a registered voter?
Please tell me you're a Democrat...
>>689981226
Modifications are illegal tho
And being a military weapon isn't a good argument
>ar-15s arent assault rifles
>>689981394
Because the more they/we argue, the louder they/we get. The more people listen, the sooner it gets done.
>>689981385
>AND THE OWNER HAS A GUN!
Most gun crime is simply from nigs being nigs shooting guns they don't legally own. Banning guns doesn't solve that
>>689980941
What the fuck do you have it for?
It's a shit gun for hunting and sport.
WHY does a civilian need a semiautomatic magazine-fed rifle?
Maybe YOURS will never hurt someone, but it's availability guarantees that anyone looking to hurt people with it can acquire it.
Did you know that terrorist training video INSTRUCT jihadis in the US to exploit our shit-tier gun laws? There is a very good reason that the last bunch of people who wanted to kill a room full of innocents went straight to the Armalite.
>>689980636
3. necessary to the security of a free state
That's all it is for. Regulated militia can mean whatever we want, but it's there for the same reason as the first amendment. To give power to the citizens against a possible tyrannical government.
>>689981276
Assault rifles are already banned everywhere but Hawaii
>>689981276
You win 10,000 Internets. 5,000 for your post contents and 5,000 for that glorious image.
>>689981727
The louder you get, the louder they get. No one changes their mind. Nothing gets done.
>>689980677
You're an idiot.
>>689981226
>with modification
With modification you can turn just about any semi-auto into a full-auto.
>low profile
>easy to field strip clean and assemble
None of which affects it's ability to kill.
>>689981298
AR15
Ruger Mini-14
Not pictured bolt-action.
>>689980757
tell me honestly. let's say you hear there is an active killer on the loose. you're a 7 foot tall Mountain that Rides (probably a skateboard you 13 year old faggot).
you find out that the shooter has
a) a fully automatic machine gun two grenade launchers and a fucking cannister of napalm
then you hear nope, wrong, bad information.
b) he actually has a bolt action rifle and a rusty hammer
which one honestly makes you feel safer? be honest now, you're anonymous.
>>689981778
>need
>not realising MOST gun crime is simply from pistols and revolvers
OY VEY
>>689981084
>IM MAD AND DONT REALIZE THESE PEOPLE ARE MISSING A HUMAN CONNECTION THAT ONLY COMES FROM SOCIAL CONFLICT SO THEY COME TO 4CHAN FOR IT.
>CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
>>689981778
check out my semi automatic magazine fed rifle.
it's a HUNTING rifle, faggot.
>>689982007
THE FUCKING TERRORISTS ARE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
When's the last time a NON-American attacked us from OUTSIDE the US?
The enemy is AMONG us. So maybe, just maybe, we should make it a little harder for him to fucking slaughter tens of us at a time? Just a fucking thought.
>>689981535
as white as white can be. English, Scottish and German.
>>689981891
no they aren't. There were from 1994 to 2004 but it expired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
>>689982096
>a) a fully automatic machine gun two grenade launchers and a fucking cannister of napalm
Yes, because this will totally happen
>>689980126
>5:1 difference in capacity
>>689982379
>us
FAggot
>>689980636
Oh ok. Because you say so
>>689982379
>>689982096
Being that I have a CC license and train monthly- neither would phase me except the thought of him exploiding in a napalm fireball when I light his ass up...
>>689982379
yes, very true. they're coming from inside and they have been for a long time.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0
most are white anyway. it will be difficult but we must control access to the shit that kills us faster. it's just common fucking sense.
>>689982482
thank you, your answer is obvious. the second one makes you feel a lot safer.
>>689982379
Thanks for giving us even more proof, you democrap.
>>689982639
>thinks he made some kind of valid point
>>689982247
Kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot.
>>689982328
>>689982436
I shopped that back to the original for you.
>>689982061
>None of which affects it's ability to kill.
No its affects its ability to be transported to a location to execute a mass shooting would you take a ar15 or an sks?
>>689982571
let's say you didn't actually know he was there. you know? in which scenario are you more likely to get killed?
My gun loving neighbor down the street just bought several assault rifles from someone through the internet. He says he's preparing for a ban and the liberals attempting to take his guns away.
>>689982022
It's sad, isn't it?
>>689982774
well, yeah, i do.
i hope you noguns faggots are never allowed to vote for anything, ever. you're all too retarded to be given such a dangerous weapon.
>>689982795
I hope (you) end up like (him).
>>689982328
>>689982436
fake and gay
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillarybinladen.asp
but here's something real for you
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/06/15/saudi-prince-reminds-donald-trump-i-bailed-you-out-twice/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmiHx5Yf2I
http://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/
>>689982943
>well, yeah, i do
Explain your brilliant point then if the thread doesn't die before then :^)
>>689981226
>close to an automatic.
Kys
>>689982940
Yes and no.
I think that any change won't necessarily be for the better.
