all trump supporting gun lovers,
how does it feel that your god emperor is flat out, stone cold, completely betraying you on gun rights?
and that people that the government decides is on a "terrorist watch list" can no longer buy guns?
how does it feel to be betrayed by your "white man's country" meal ticket?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/us/politics/donald-trump-gun-control-nra.html?_r=0
think its great.no betrayal here just a democrat who cant read.
Who cares...
>>689890271
he's betraying his voter base, his party, and everything conservatives stand for. so yeah, it's a betrayal
you trump nuts keep ignoring reality, and keep following him, follow him right off that bridge.
>>689889127
Alright, name someone who you believe is unfairly on the terrorist watch list.
>>689891801
>trying this hard
Must be boring being out of school
>>689889127
>nytimes
I almost believe what they have to say about any republican
even if it is true, still better than hillary
>>689892135
i don't think they would tell me if they are, but the idea completely undermines the "right" of having guns,
what if the government could just put me indefinite detention because they felt like it?
oh wait....
https://www.rt.com/usa/160832-ndaa-gitmo-detention-approved/
>>689889127
I'm hoping the now inevitable assault rifle ban will cause the right wing to revolt and militarize. I will deeply enjoy all the rekt thread pics of dead fascists with holes in their faces after combat with police and the national guard.
>>689891801
>betraying everything conservatives stand for
When a person who is outspokenly against muslims doesn't want to give muslims guns he isn't betraying everything. He hates sand people, and a majority of conservatives probably agree
>>689892814
>give muslims guns
how fucking short sided and retarded can you be? i mean seriously? can you tell me what the fuck is wrong with your brain?
how far are you trump cucks willing to follow him? i mean seriously? he has taken a shit on every core conservative belief and now he betrays gun owners and you STILL suck his cock?
it's unbelievable, you cucks are willing to sell out your deepest beliefs to elect a madman in office,
keep eroding those beliefs you unbelievable cucks.
maybe your god emperor might let you have a potato gun after his 67th term of life presidency?
no guns, no rights, no freedom,
but hey, at least there aren't any mexicans!
I thought Trump wanted to ban guns anyway, he states it in his book.
>>689892353
Well that's bullshit.
Taking away rights to a weapon for a few people in the name of public safety doesn't matter that much, but the right to live?
>>689895318
i would rather live in the right to liberty and danger, then tyranny with the right to live.
what does it matter? the guy is going down in flames. nothing can save him. the republican party is doomed
utah might go blue. fucking utah
Ausfag here, so glad I'm not fucking american.
Your country is fucked no matter what way you look at it. Hahahahahahahaha
>>689889127
>Hurr durr Trump wants to take away guns from terrorists
>Better vote for Hillary who wants to take away guns from everyone
I am now a #shill4hill
>>689892353
the constitution allows for "well regulated". right now we're pretty much at unregulated. we'll get there eventually and align with the constitution. this is a good first step - keep it out of the hands of people, maybe you, who seem to want to cause violence.
>>689896764
>keep it out of the hands of people
dude.
just dude,
we have a name for that, it's called the civillian police.
>>689892679
Fascists are leftists you retard.
>>689892679
yeah, let's see how these right wing fascist redneck fucks can stand up to modern weapons.
>>689897628
police can't stop crimes before they happen. that's not how the system works. if someone wants to die or doesn't care about consequences at all, you can pretty much do anything you want in the US.
we need to focus on taking these fucks alive at all costs.
>>689898976
>if someone wants to die or doesn't care about consequences at all, you can pretty much do anything you want in the US.
wow, you mean with like? a bomb?
you do realize that compared to a bomb in crowded public places, gun's are pretty inefficient at killing people?
>>689892679
>hold personal freedom sacred
>Fascists
Grab a dictionary, friendo!
>>689899131
it's a dumb argument. we need to stop bombs as best we can too. don't be fucking stupid. just because you can't get 100% perfect, why bother stopping anything? dumbest argument ever.
people will die anyway. let's just let murder not be a crime. how's that? i mean, once people are dead, their rights cease. they're no longer citizens.
>>689899277
fascism everywhere, all through history, has operated under the guise of more freedom for the majority. then all of a sudden, it's not that any more. that's how shit works fag.
>>689899308
what are you talking about?
dude lay off the crack and make a coherent argument.
>>689893208
>but hey, at least there aren't any mexicans
/b/'s secret agenda has been exposed
>>689893208
Trump supporters don't care about conservative cakes, they care about authoritarianism. It's actually simple.
>>689899842
Values not cakes
>>689889127
>no one gives a shit
Hit them
>>689899997
So close to
>>689899999
>>689898650
Are you retarded?
>>689899131
Not true. In that night club a bomb blast would have had to substantially over pressure the entire building in order kill more than a couple layers of people even with shrapnel. The difficulty in fabricating or acquiring such a powerful, man portable and reliable bomb, and doing so undetected much less, is substantially higher than simply acquiring a firearm.
There's a reason terrorists have largely changed tactics in the past few years to simpler, harder to prevent shootings. Less training, less preparation, less risk of detection, more reliable results, much larger shock value in the notion of a mad men stalking through a building executing apostates as he comes upon them.
The only really shocking thing about this incident is major news media's continued denial of Islam becoming a larger problem by the day. Noble, if misguided, egalitarian nonsense comparable to sticking your head in the sand.
>>689900516
what about the white christan mass shooters in the US? should we also say that white christian society is to blame?
>>689899842
Obama didn't care about the senate voting no, he used executive action to bypass.
Actually I respect him for doing so.
I also think that Hillary owes too many favors and will be a weak ineffective president.
>>689900687
trump owes $100 million to a bank in germany.
>>689900516
i agree,
except a bomb is much more destructive and deadly,
and if it was a bomb, and it did go off in that nightclub, it would be 300 dead instead of 49,
bombs are harder for terrorists yes, but much much more effective.
>>689900800
owing money isn't the same as owing favors.
in fact it's common business practice to owe money. It's essentially making people invested in your success.
>>689889127
I'm more surprised that less fuss has been made about the fact that he abandoned self-funding his campaign. So much for not owing anyone anything should he get elected.
>>689900800
he's also worth 10 billion so that's pocket change.
>>689901217
you have no idea how much he's worth. he's a liar.
>>689901287
not as much as shillary, fuck off
>>689901217
He's only worth that according to trump. No one believes that is anywhere near his actual worth. If I were you, I'd wonder why a man who is so confident about his net worth refuses to share his tax forms. My guess is he may not even be a billionaire anymore. Easy come, easy go.
>>689901430
that isn't good enough faggot
>>689901430
keep telling yourself that, chump
>>689901525
Sure thing shill
>>689901486
He could just do like Hillary and accept contributions from some of the most hated companies ever.
That's how she's paying for her campaign
>>689901618
is shill the only word they teach in the 8th grade these days? Go outside and enjoy your summer vacation kid. You don't have to worry about politics until you're 18.
>>689901815
You can tell these guys are Hillary shills because they have/give no reason to vote for the lying witch over trump but continue to make threads like this.
Sage and move on boys
sage and move on
>>689892814
Who controls which names go on the list? what process do they have to follow? What constitutes a threat credible enough to get on a list? Who has oversight of these lists and what process is there for removing a name or clearing someone to buy guns in the future?
Gingrich is talking about bringing back the House Un-American Activities Committee. He's framing it as how they fought the Nazis but it was also how McCarthyism got going.
With the rise of "homegrown terrorists" it seems like it'd be awfully easy for some government folks like HUAC to add your name to the list and keep you from ever buying a gun for basically no reason just because they don't like what you have to say about their government policies.
>>689902318
anyone who has any connection to violent groups should immediately have their guns taken away. the bundy fuckers, the KKK shithead, yes militant muslims, christian fanatical cults, anyone saying violence against abortion clinics or churches, take their guns.
it's not that difficult.
![2014-09-02_19-31-34[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VdfLFwh.jpg "2014-09-02_19-31-34[1].jpg")
>>689900642
I feel skin color and religion are fairly irrelevant unless they were motivating factors, but as far as white mass shooters go, did you mean Dylan Roof and that guy who shot up that Jewish community center or whatever in Seattle? Because that's all that comes to mind as being religiously or racially motivated as far as white shooters in recent memory. You can however find much larger lists of racially motivated black shooters and religiously motivated Muslim shooters.
I don't see the Westboro Baptist Church shooting up gay night clubs however much vitriol they spew, their hateful sect is also a fringe element not accepted by mainstream christian or western society. Mainstream Arab and Muslim societies still not only accept but encourage honor killings and the suppression or outright murder of homosexuals and apostates.
There are decent people from the ME but Islam is a plague upon the world which not only hurts and holds back its own people but is again reaching across the seas to harm others who harbor incompatible beliefs.
Ditch the white guilt.
>>689902507
how do you determine their motivation when they're dead? anyone who shoots up an abortion clinic, church, etc. is doing it for religion.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0
mostly white, unfortunately.
what does the motivation really matter to the dead people? who cares.
>>689902507
We need to figure out a way to stop ALL mass shootings, no matter the color, gender or religion of the shooter.
The people at pulse had no idea what the motivation was a they were being shot.
>>689901998
Reasons to vote for Hillary?
1. She's not scary dangerous like Trump, just more interested in her corporate sponsors than her constituents. This is one of those "lesser evil" arguments.
2. She's experienced, and probably the most qualified candidate to run for office in living memory.
3. She thinks anti-vaxxers are stupid. 'nuf said.
4. She supports American workers and labor unions. Unless you're quite rich already, this is in your interest too.
>>689903055
so many reasons not to vote for trump that have nothing to do with hillary.
>>689902484
Sure, but it's also ripe for abuse. This isn't something we should be rushing into. It needs to be well thought out and transparent, with a watchdog group that actually has some teeth.
>>689903199
yeah, ok, i'll agree with that. there should be some way, perhaps, to get off the no-fire list.
Wait?
So atm people on the no fly list and terror watch list CAN buy guns legally?
>>689902796
>We need to figure out a way to stop ALL mass shootings, no matter the color, gender or religion of the shooter.
I'd love for it to stop just so I have don't have to hear about this bullshit anymore and run laps around this track. But short of completely gutting basic civil and human rights and privacy law it's not going to because it would require critical thinking deeper than "guns r scary, must be the gun's fault," the media loves the fucking money they make off this shit, the attention encourages other actors to seek their fifteen minutes, and politicians find it good fodder for pushing their own agenda rather than making meaningful changes to the numerous systems that desperately need the attention but will resist change all the same.
In the end though, 10,000 gun homicides a year is fucking nothing and a small price to pay for a basic human right.
>>689903454
Why should they not be able to if they've committed no crime?
>>689889127
implying ANYONE can take our guns away. come and try.
>>689903152
Also true. Not Trump should really be reasons 1-15, followed by whatever good shit she stands for.
>>689903669
because if they can't fly then they must be considered dangerous. no guns for watch list. it's just common sense really
>>689893208
>being a hillary supporter.
Disgusting.
>>689903968
Please, you'd be dead in 5 minutes once they breached. Maybe you'd take a couple SWAT guys with you, but what will you have proved?
>>689898861
>too stupid to see the irony of this statement
Kill yourself
>>689904057
>considered dangerous
That's pretty presumptive considering the criteria for being placed on either list is not publicly available.
>arbitrary lists whose criteria are unknown
>process for being placed on a list has an unknown level of oversight
>you are not allowed to ask whether you are on such lists
>you cannot appeal or contest your being on such lists
Using arbitrary nonsense without trial to determine who is eligible to exercise a civil right is absurdity and completely spits in the face of the underlying principle's of the justice system and reasons for establishing this country.
>>689904716
no, not really. well regulated is the phrase that gets forgotten. we aren't regulated at all currently. we have a way to go before we get to well regulated.
>>689889127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE
>>689903454
https://youtu.be/LSEoVkl0W30?t=19s
>>689904868
Well regulated in the parlance of the time meant ably equipped or well maintained depending on the context. In the context of the second amendment it meant well equipped as opposed to a well regulated pocket watch for example.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said at all however.
>>689892679
this
Trump is a pompous blow hard and having him as a President is terrifying. He's going to fuck up a lot of things.
You know what's worse though? Having a fucking war criminal and a lying feminist as POTUS. Hillary and the Obama administration want to turn the US into EU with the invasion of Syrians by accepting 100+ a day up to 2017. That's only the start. Do you think they're going to stop there?
The Obama Administration would stop for nothing less than to see America turned into Shariah Law.
Hillary's plans are fucking delusional.
Trump might not have the slightest God damn clue how to run a business or know what he's doing but at least he has America's best interest in mind. At least he gives a shit about AMERICANS.
>>689905211
>derp
>>689892679
>combat with police and the national guard
Top kek
Do you think National Guard are trained well or something? Neither of the two things you just mentioned know how to shoot for shit, they don't know CQC or any vital life saving tips.
National Guard gather rarely and only go through boot camp. Police Academy is a fucking joke and most police shootouts end with some frightened officer unloading an entire clip into someone after he's used several other clips coming nowhere near the suspect.
>>689889127
>people on terrorist watch lists
>discuss
who gives a fuck
>>689905070
yeah a group of people with guns is not a pocketwatch, faggot
>>689905370
Yes your average redneck with his tricked out AR is a crack shot though.
>>689905370
national guard is way ahead of tyour traditional redneck who only shoots at targets on a range.
![AuMGY5V[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/w3dfdDR.png "AuMGY5V[1].png")
>>689892679
>wishing for civil war and the deaths of political adversaries in their own country
>>689905912
How so? I was active duty 11B for 3 years. Every National Guard unit we met or encountered was utterly fucking useless. Hell, even most of the other 11B units we encountered was mostly just really young guys who had no idea what they were doing. They were just enticed by shiny Government benefits, running from problems back home or had nowhere else to go.
I'm just saying... if it came down to the redneck woodsman or National Guard/police, I'd easily side with the people that do this every single day.
The National Guard rarely ever train and in active duty, you spend more time with paperwork and standing around waiting for orders then learning anything productive.
>>689905211
>Hillary's plans are fucking delusional.
Which ones are you talking about? Also, war criminal? WTF are you on about?
>Shariah Law
So banning abortions, forcing prayer in schools, teaching about God in science classes, summary executions for criminals and gays, no separation between church and state, suppression of women's rights.
Sounds an awful lot like the Tea Party platform to me.
>>689906386
>everyone on the right is a regressive
Do you exclusively get your news from John Oliver and comedy central or what?
>>689906386
yes, if not for liberal laws and enforcing the separation of church and state by liberals, we'd live in a christian country that looks very much like sharia law.
>>689906162
You really think your average redneck gun nut is going to be superior in a tactical situation? We're not talking about shooting beer bottles in the woods numb nuts, and you should know that better than anyone. The fuck are they teaching in the Army these days?
>>689905912
You're mistaken in assuming that in the event of a schism which necessitated deploying the armed forces wholesale in CONUS that the entire national guard/x/y would even be on one given side.
>>689906676
They're probably painfully aware that they've completely failed to suppress large scale asymmetrical opposing forces every time they've tried.
>>689906847
>>689907021
i'm not reading this shit. how about a nice quickl tl;dr
>>689906497
If we assume for a second that you yourself are not 'regressive' then it becomes painfully obvious that you are outnumber by orders of magnitude "on the right". If you don't believe in those things why would you put your trust in those who do?
>>689898650
Nazis were fascists totalitarians with social programs that seemed like socialists but really were highly functioning totalitarians until Hitler did something wrong (annex Sudetenland, Anschluss Austria, Attack Poland cannot into space, attack Russia, nor realise that Heisenberg had or made an error in calculations about the mass of enriched uranium required for bomb, allowed enigma operators to select daily prefixes instead of distributing via enigma a mandatory weekly book of one-time-codes, ally themselves with Japan, Italy)
Fascists are totalitarian Reactionaries on the FAR far Right.
Reactionaries are Near Far Right
Traditional Republican Party is Right
Conservatives are Right.
Centrist Conservatives are near right.
Centrist Liberals are near left
Liberals are Left
Traditional Democratic Party is Left
Socialists are far Left
Communists are extreme far left
Soviets are totalitarian perversions of communism that are far left.
Anarchists exist solely in the complex plane at 270• degrees (3Pi/2) (0-1i) because they aren't either left or right and can exist only in the imagination of the instigators, a result of an anarchist overthrow is merely another government formed along the X-axis on the right or left.
>>689906847
Yeah it'd be a clusterfuck and it's a pointless debate. Armed insurrection doesn't really work anyway. Statistically peaceful protest and non-violent resistance yields better long term results and a more stable post-regime government.
>>689905940
>>689892679
yep, would like to see this asshole investigated and his guns yanked away. the pussy won't put up a fight either, i bet.
>>689896540
TAKE ME AWAY FROM HERE PLEASE I WANNA JUMP WITH KANGAROOS OVER THE BARBEE AND WRESTLE ALLIGATORS ON A SURF BOARD PUHLEEEEEEHEHEEEEASE :'(
>>689907288
There is nothing right wing about fascism or NAZIism, which was socialist.
The fascists were called 'right wing' by Stalin.
I can't help but think being right of Stalin doesn't really mean 'right wing.'
>>689907288
While simply using left and right is convenient, it doesn't really reflect the nuance of different political view as well as say, a 2D plane like Political Compass has.
>>689907288
>left-right paradigm
That's... that's just wrong.
Conservatives and liberals are on a different axis. Conservatives oppose social welfare programs, beginning with the New Deal. Liberals support them. Democrats traditionally support federal government over state's rights, and republicans want States to be more independent of federal oversight. AKA smaller government.
So a liberal Republican is a thing, as is a conservative Democrat, it's just that those groups have been allied along the left-right axis for so long that it's hard to distinguish.
Here's my current favorite though: Libertarian Socialism. De-centralized social programs run by local government and very little in the way or corporate private property, but strong support for personal rights and personal property ownership. Look them up, it's neat stuff.
>>689903669
It's not as if the criteria to make it onto a watchlist is rigged against normal white Americans.
>multiple flights to Pakistan
>relative joined Al Nusra
>IP logged onto Jihadists message boards
>using specific phrases over fb chat
>hangs out at a local kebab shop frequented by well known Jihadists
>attends mosque of Jihad preacher
>Studying for doctors degree
>No actual criminal record
>yet
According anon this person should be allowed to keep stockpiles of ammo and rifles just because they haven't broke any of our outdated laws.
>>689908021
not really. the republican support of states rights still stems from slavery.
>>689907856
Correct. "Nazi" = National Socialist, shortened from the German word Nationalsozialismus.
>>689908042
yes, agreed. let's find the common threads for these asshole, all mass shooters, and look for that shit. for the relatively small number of muslim mass shooters in the US those criteria work. we just need to find criteria for the roofs and that shithead in california who's name i luckily forgotten, the aurora shooter, etc.
>>689908042
You're missing the point. If conservatives followed their beliefs to their logical conclusion they should be wholesale against banning those on lists from buying guns, like the NRA is. The same people who think Obama is coming for their guns, which the Second Amendment gave to them to protect liberty and fight tyranny are suddenly okay with the government making an opaque list of who can't buy guns.
This is literally the first election where there are people voting who are too young to remember 9/11, or more importantly, the world before 9/11.
This probably describes many of you.
Don't let politicians trick you. Hilary is worse than trump. Trump is also bad. Giant douche vs turd sandwich.
Don't vote. It doesn't matter.
If you are voting, at least don't spend time talking about which politician is better. They're all garbage.
Elect modern day jesus christ into office and he couldn't change anything either.
This time is precious. You're not getting it back. You're still at a point in your life where the possibilities outweigh the impossibilities, and you have the free time, youth and energy to do almost anything.
Don't spend this time arguing over, or trying to troll people about, which fucking presidential nominee follows the party line or doesn't.
Too bad I'll get rich off this. My friend and I bought a lathe and connected it with a C&C program to our miller. We've downloaded the programs for quite a few guns and ammo has never been too much of a problem.
Now I get to sell my AKs and .45s for more :)
>>689908172
Except at the time, it was Democrats that supported slavery, and Lincoln was a Republican. They switched sides somewhere along the way.
I'm a liberal, but I actually support state's rights and small government more than direct federal governance because I think the "one size fits all" method of legislation is fucking stupid and we'd get a better fit through local governance with federal minimums and guidelines.
>>689908239
Retards, trolls or ignorant children.
>"National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936.
>>689908349
Common thread so far seems to be access to guns, unfortunately. Unless you want to count that they are almost all felt marginalized by the mainstream.
>>689908743
>2016
>still believing the holocaust actually happened
ishygddt
>>689908172
Democrats were jailed during the civil war by congress because they were supporters of the confederacy
I'm not American, but I understand that the 2nd Amendment was for the purpose of maintaining a armed body of trained millitia for the purpose of fighting off enemy invaders or a tyranical government, not letting evil arabs show up and murder people. The man on the left is what they were after, not the man on the right.
>>689908653
i'm not against it. i just think some things, in light of this new country wide sharing of ideas and thoughts brought out by the internet and social networks, needs to be federal.
>>689908653
They didn't 'switch sides' you fuck.
Please show me where the Republican party of today wants to reinstate slavery.
The Democrats, OTOH, have done exactly that. They have made people forge the links of the chains that bind them with their bullshit social programs.
Repub's want freedom.
So, nothing's changed.
>>689908864
they all became republicans because johnson made sure black people had equal voting rights.
>>689908549
wisdom
>>689908899
wrong, they were angry with johnson and never voted for a democrat again. and it's because of black voting rights.
>>689908887
The authors of the 2nd amendment were very clear as to their intent, and it had nothing to do with forming a militia. The 'militia' clause gives the *rationale* for the amendment, it does not limit it.
Otherwise you would have to believe that "the people" in the 2nd amendment means something different than "the people" in the rest of the constitution and bill of rights.
>>689908963
Ah, thanks. I was just googling to figure this out.
>>689908963
lol. Point is that the party's are a joke. We are past this today, we can talk to each other and don't need a group of learned men to vote for us, IE: electoral college.
Also, the 2nd amendment is for one thing and one thing only
>>689909112
You know that for a fact? Were you there?
>>689909037
Nope. Johnson was a democrat who wanted power, so he pushed through voting rights *against* his own party. As in, the 1964 Voting Rights Act which was supported by Republicans and not Democrats. I'm supposed to think the Republicans of today switched in that time to think the opposite? Nope.
Johnson said of this, "I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 50 years."
Nice example to hold up.....
>>689907856
Look at banners of Nuremburg rallys.
The emblem NSDAP stands for national socialist German workers party
NAtionsl socialists = NA ZI
The reactionary conservative opposition to communism and hatred of communism is why they Fought against the communists. Nazis were totalitarian fascists. Fascists put the State above all else. Nazis put the State and Leader above all else.
Reactionary is FAR right, further than conservative.
Fascists HATE communists.
Stalin was totalitarian
Hitler was totalitarian
Their ideologies were Very different however, in practice totalitarians are similar- the Reasons they wanted/took/had control were Very different.
Their ideology places them at polar opposites, despite nazis being "national socialists" there were Reactionaries essentially, and thus are placed at the far right, despite your mis-education.
>>689893208
Trump has always been a Democrat and Democrats don't understand natural rights. Nothing like having your rights stripped away for not breaking a law. Either arrest fuck tarts on the no fly list or remove them. #mcCarthyism
>>689909112
yes, obviously it does. it wasn't women or black people, for example.
>>689905370
>>refers to magazines as "clips"
Opinion disregarded.
>>689909304
WTF are you talking about?
They were very fucking clear, in every writing they had on the subject. You can not find a single thing written about guns or right to arms written by a founding father which suggests anything other than an individual right.
Jesus, what a stupid fucking argument. "You were there?" Fuckwad.
>>689909314
yeah, that's exactly what i said. thanks.
>>689908890
Like what, for example? I'd agree that the Internet has changed things, and I'm all for updating our shit to make it better. Keeping things the same is a recipe for extinction imo.
>>689909451
they did not envision the kinds of guns we have today nor the massive technology shift that the government uses so that you'll NEVER have the same guns they do.
>>689909322
(sigh)
There is nothing about 'reactionary' which links to 'right wing,' or 'conservatism.'
NAZI were left wing socialists. Period, end of story, sorry 'bout your penis.
Keep fucking that chicken.
>>689909577
Nope. One of them even said it applied to 'every terrible implement of war.'
>>689909592
Yeah I bet you think they were democrats too. I heard Goebbles is voting for Hillary.
>>689909518
i just think we're finding out a lot more about our individual, regular people, living experiences. whereas before we'd only hear abuot people who had reached a certain level of fame and your neighbors. now the laws and shit that keep people separated are easy to spot. some stuff should be universal. laws for higher crimes like rape - murder already is, things like that. regulations against business scams which can now be pepetrated from iowa onto someone in florida, which never had happened before. maybe a little with mail order shit but it was rare.
>>689909251
Ask any true citizen why the 2nd amendment is important and they will agree it has nothing to do with hunting, enthusiasm, or anything else.
The second amendment is because we don't trust Government.
The feeling is so strong that we once crossed an ocean and made a new country.
We have guns because we need them. This right is the expression of the spirit of humanity, at war with itself.
We want to preserve the frontier mindset and freedom, but within generations things are settled and the pussies multiply.
They try to strangle the rest of us into living the way they do in cities and suburbs not seeing that it's not real, just a cage they've chosen.
>>689889127
Hilarious isn't it? Muh freederms
>>689909874
it doesn't work any more. until you can own drones and guided missiles, this idea is a redneck pipe dream.
>>689902318
Anyone who uses reddit or tumblr, any BLM people, any socialist etc all go on the list. We're bringing the 50s back faggot, learn to love it or get the fuck out
>>689909812
His name was Tench Coxe.
>>689909812
And yet, we already have restrictions on ownership that have held up as constitutional. Like fully automatic weapons are heavily regulated and restricted if not outright banned. Tanks with functional armaments, artillery etc are also restricted. There's nothing that says that can't also be applied to restrict semi-automatic weapons, should the legislative body pass a new law that defines it the same way under the existing law. The second amendment is very much open to interpretation because the writings of the founding fathers are not codified as law. We are just operating under the current interpretation by a conservative supreme court. That shit can be changed despite what the NRA would like us to think.
>>689908743
This man understands why Nazis are far right.
(The following is directed at other anons)
Ask a neonazi to party with some of your socialist and communist friends... See what happens.
Skinheads are Not communists
White suprematists are not socialists
Black Panthers I don't really know what those niggers were about other than empowering the underpowered or oppressed, which sounds like communists, but they were also kind of black suprematists which is why niggers are always typically sometimes once in a while everyday often categorized as left wing.
Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL are reactionaries and placed as right wing extremists.
>>689889127
OP's post was headed in the right direction...
...and then pic related.
>>689908349
>relatively small number
Not if you look at the percentage of Muslims. Much like black people, they commit more acts of violence per capita.
>>689910249
in the US they are a very small % of the total number of mass shooters
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0
>>689909974
I love this bullshit answer.
Nope. Having weapons allows us to keep it from getting to this point.
ANd do you think we'll turn into a giant battlefield where tanks and drones are useful?
Politicians, bureaucrats, underlings, etc. would just suddenly have their heads explode.
>>689910217
>>689908743
Correct opinions on this subject.
>>689909874
>The feeling is so strong that we once crossed an ocean and made a new country.
Actually believing this.
>>689906162
Are you implying that the Redneck Woodsmen would win?
War these days aren't about ground troops.
Aren't the National Guard better equipped and supplied?
When they stop the supply of ammunition how is the Redneck Woodsman going to retaliate?
>>689910211
US Supreme Courts have also held that owning black people for farm use was just hunky dory, so forgive me if I don't rise up and salute their every ruling in which literally 5 people decided what the law should be for the whole US.
>>689909974
Not really. People who push for these reforms mostly don't understand what they are giving up because they are children who have never experienced what true powerlessness is.
Privileged first world nation of idiots disarms itself, populace enslaved in a generation
>>689910378
no, i don't think it will get to that. that's the whole point. you're delusional to think a) you should be allowed to judge when to attack the gov and b) that everyone in the country would agree with your choice of when
which means what you're really saying is that it allows the choice of the people with guns to override the ones without guns as to when to overthrow a government.
>>689892679
> police are evil racists
> military are baby killers
> but they'd totally be on our side in a civil war, i swear!
>>689910503
That's exactly what I was saying though, just because the court ruled one way doesn't mean it can't be changed later.
>>689910217
>Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL are reactionaries and placed as right wing extremists.
Only by idiot leftists whose entire philosophy is, "We're good, they're bad; everything good comes from us, everything bad comes from the right."
What a simpleton.
>>689889127
As a Trump supporter and gunfag, I support keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. I don't support people who cry that guns should start being banned cause they're scary (cough shillary). The problem with politicians is that they either lop to one side or the other the the extreme so people who are more nuanced on the issues have to reluctantly follow them (as well as the rare people who do feel the extreme). I'd rather have Trump or Bernie who are more neutral than Cruz or Hillary who are batshit extreme. A shop owner should at LEAST be able to get some sort of redflag sent to them like in the most recent shooting so they can make a moral decision themselves to sell to the people. That's at the least.
hi
>>689909592
Yeah, the nazis were left-wing. Because names tend to sum up a whole state. Some examples:
>people's republic of china
>people's republic of north korea
>republic of russia
see? names are pretty accurate, huh?
>>689901815
+$0.50
>>689910337
That number will go up, but I'm not a left wing fag so I include all acts of violence by Muslims, including bombs and planes. Acts of terror will be done regardless of guns until we remove the "religion of peace"
>>689910522
You realize that only something like 20% of colonists supported the rebellion during the US Revolution?
>>689910378
The real problem with a battle on our soil would be China or Russia attacking at the moment of opportunity.
>>689910471
Hell yes. Don't worry, people like us will make sure the bad men stay away from your door. Go back to sleep
>>689910680
Yep, the cognitive dissonance of the left.
>>689903055
>>689910865
we;re talking abuot the US here, not the world. when it goes up, if it goes up, then we'll have to deal with it separately.
right now it seems we need to try and stop ALL mass shooters, not just one particular religion or skin color.
>>689908042
if all these things are true, why wasn't this guy arrested a long time ago?
and you realize he had someone else buy the guns for him, right?
>>689910852
It also encompassed their philosophy, in which they took over industries and mandated everyone follow their bullshit or else.
>>689910920
yeah and that was a pretty easy decision. right now, clearly, the decision would probably go 50/50 and that's a recipe for disaster. it's civil war all over again as one side decides it's time to overthrow and other side doesn't want to.
>>689909577
if modern weapons aren't protected by the 2nd amendment, why are cell phones and the internet protected by the 1st amendment?
>>689911072
No, he bought them himself, that has been established.
>>689911093
that's totalitarianism. this doesn't have any relation to ideologies in special.
or do you think """real""" fascist and nationalist states are all about liberty and harmony?
>>689893208
>short sided
>sided
holy fuck are you retarded.
>>689889127
Because there is a big difference between a Democrat picking who can have guns and a Republican picking who can have guns. Democrats will be too much concerned with muh feelings, muh automatic weapon ban cause shootings, while Republicans will remove them from possible shooters. Better luck next summer.
>>689910680
enemy of my enemy ect.
What, are the police just going to sit out on an armed insurrection? What makes you think they'd have a choice?
Yeah, I fucking hate cops, It's their job to be out to get me for every little god damn thing. It's not personal though.
Nothing against the military, right wing myth that everyone hates soldiers just because they're socially liberal. I'm no pacifist.
I hate right wingers in a very personal way. Like the I could poison your dog over your Trump bumper sticker and not regret it kind of way.
If i ever get the chance to fuck over one of them and get away with it, I'm taking it no questions asked. I keep waiting for the day somebody parks their retarded fucking coal roller truck next to mine so I can slash their $2000 mud tires.
>>689911184
good point. clearly they aren't though as you cannot currently by a tank, military drone, guided missiles or SAMs.
>>689909112
Yes they were
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
So that the people of the well regulated militia can have their own arms, so they can be prepared to defend their state at a minutes notice, the government can't take their guns away so that they can be an effective armed force.
>>689911382
yes, so let's start getting the well-regulated part again. right now it's unregulated.
>>689911303
they did a survey in 2010, and something like 90% of the armed forces said they would refuse to fire on US citizens.
also you seem mad, friend. maybe you should stop posting for a while? :^)
>>689911263
No, fascism is all about leftist ideology.
>>689911475
>muh well-regulated militia
>>689910977
Nice Straw Man, be a shame if someone actually bothered to rip it apart.
>>689910997
I'd say black people kill more than any other group, and they aren't buying guns legally. So you want to disarm ordinary people while the criminals have guns? Retarded
>>689911511
There's still plenty of cops.
I'm not really angry.
>>689911382
Nope. Sorry. It is and always was an individual right, there was not even any question until leftist pantywaists started their faggotry.
You can not show a single thing written by the authors of the 2nd that supports your view; I can show every writing by them that supports mine.
You lose.
>>689892218
>>689911302
>>689901815
Retard dipshit asswipe fuckfaces.
>>689911692
we need to stop the illegal gun buying too, obviously. just common sense.
>>689911692
everyone buys guns legally. every pawn shop in the country sells guns legally.
black people can go to gun stores too. What the fuck is with this myth?
>>689903055
Holy shit you're so fucking gay, it's clear you're a paid shill trying to use 4chan's meme magic to work in Hillary's favor like you guys did for Obama back in 2012. Nobody is going to fall for this shit this time.
1. Scary is a fucking buzzword, that holds absolutely no meaning. he isn't dangerous at all and this is a clear fucking sign that you're a damn drone.
2. Experience means NOTHING in politics, absolutely nothing. Fucking Germany has a damn physicist with no experience in politics and it's doing fine (besides the cuckening by immigrants). The only qualification you fucking need to be president is charisma, strength,
3. "anti-vaxxers" EVERY SANE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY DOES YOU FUCKING RETARDED SHILL
4. her voting record says otherwise. Trumps tax plan will do more to help blue collared workers than anything any other candidate has proposed
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan
If we don't win this time, the most disastrous political move of the century will be the GOP letting Jews run the show. They thought they could import mestizos and appeal to them, but we've learned that human tribes are not interchangeable. And now it's a race against time. Trump is wagering that there are enough non-pozzed whites left to win a presidential election.
>>689911545
you what. fascism as in "let the strong survive and the weak die" and leftism as in "let's try to build a classless society" (maybe in some twisted ways sometimes)? no matter what you say, those don't fit together ideologically (even though they were ofter used together).
>>689911713
you know law enforcement is overwhelmingly conservative, right? stop pretending like ANY of them would ever support a tyrannical leftist government.
>>689911382
That dependent clause gave the rationale for the amendment, it didn't give a means of limitation. The entire Bill of Rights is limitations on what the government can do; it doesn't even make sense that they'd put a limitation in there.
>>689911511
THIS
If the people led a revolt against the govt I think you people would be surprised how the military acted.
Most of the higher ups think the same on this. They don't like the govt either.
I think if we had an organized fight against our govt, the commanders would lock down their bases, protect the country from invaders and let us duke it out.
I'm game
>>689911582
I see what you're trying to do there. The idea here is that in order to be part of a militia they need to have guns. But they're not part of a militia. They're just killing people.
>>689911953
so you say. how about a link to back up that bullshit? thanks
>>689911303
How do you think we feel about you, friend? Difference is, I would never kill an innocent dog. Leftists are psychopaths, and this election cycle has proven that. Another reason to vote Trump, he's exposed you all for what you are.
>>689911906
Stop pretending they'll just all suddenly abandon their lives and careers just because some band of white trash faggots with cheap plastic rifles decides to start shit.
They'll shoot you just as fucking fast as they'd shoot me for trying the same thing. With a smile.
>>689892353
Some people dont deserve rights. Fair and simple
>>689911949
you missed the entire point. who has the right to own guns, the "militia" or "the people"?
>>689911848
wrong, trump has said americans make too much money already.
he lies and flip flops so much who knows what his real views are. you fell for his pandering, doens't mean we have to. fuck off.
>>689911813
>actually believing this
Wow
>>689889127
You subhuman baboon. You literal nigger.
How dare you speak, you swarthy jungle monkey. How dare you open your big lipped, rim encrusted, menthol cigarette smelling mouth?
You are human trash, Diego Tyrone LeShawn de Maradona. Universally despised, derided and mocked. Your nationality and skin tone offers no hope to the world that South America can ever prosper. Crawl back in to the Brazilian jungle you came out of, you literal orangutan.
I hope you decide to sail your grandfathers skip to the Falklands and rape some sheep, as is in the negroes nature. It would still be the whitest pussy you ever had. Give Nigel and Robert a chance for some target practice, your sole use to the world. Argentinians obsession with a few windswept islands in the Atlantic is hilarious but sad. Coincidentally its the only worthwhile contribution Argentina has made to the medical field. The MUH LAS MALVINAS sentiment in the average negro Argentinian is both an early warning sign of autism in children, and early on set Alzheimer's in adults.
Take your black hairy fingers off your keyboard, and never talk about the human species again, you mockery of our supposed shared ancestor.. No amount of olive oil and wheat flour slabbed on your face every morning will make you white. It's about as delusional of an idea as your daydreams of European heritage.
You nigger.
You make Bolivia look like a beacon of civilisation.
You are the Baltimore of South America.
Go fertilise the pampas with you and your families corpses, its the best you can hope for in life. For the first time in your life, nigger, you have a job making food for beings vastly superior to yourself. Uruguayan cattle. Coincidentally, it would be the first time an Argentinian "man" provided for a family.
Die, Diego. No one would miss you. Except for Australian Aboriginals, who now would have no one to make them look good.
>>689912095
whatever helps you sleep at night, cuck. :^)
>>689911848
>paid shill
Nope, try again.
>>689912095
>white trash faggots are the only gun owners in the country
>this is what tumblr actually believes
>>689911949
according to the militia act of 1903, every man between the ages of 17 and 45 is in the militia.
>>689912210
Citation needed cuck
>>689912210
>>689912279
>he does it for free
>>689912279
>gif of a jew
okay.
>>689912155
Ah, I get it, thanks.
>>689912052
diagnosed sociopathic tendencies.
that's not a reflection on anyone else, just my particular circumstances. I'm not left wing because I'm mildly mentally ill, I just happened to be both.
but yes, you do have very real enemies in this world if you are openly conservative especially on worthless social morality issues like same sex marriage or sex changes. Fucking patronizing arrogant little shit stains think they can police every bodies persona lives. It's why I can't fucking stand you people.
>>689912383
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-wages-are-too-high-2015-11
here you go fag. there are many to choose from. pick your own if you don't like this source.
>>689889127
>300.000.000's majority is now a terrorist
>No guns for you
>LOL DRUMPF FAGS BVTOFFOAIF
lel.
>>689912548
you know that was in response to a question about the minimum wage, right?
also
> implying he's wrong
>>689912155
wrong faggot. militia were units consisting of minute men when the constitution was written. your bullshit propaganda won't change that.
>>689912354
Certainly not, I own plenty. Liberal and armed reporting. I intend to shoot back, and maybe even before you start.
>>689911848
Is this bait
>>689912734
then why the fuck did you ask for a citation if you know he said it you dumb fuck
>>689912766
and "free speech" referred to newspapers and leaflets when the constitution was written. :^)
also, see
>>689912378
>>689912548
Do you even read your own sources? He never said once that Americans are making too much money
>>689912906
this guy claimed trump says "people have too much money", when actually he said the minimum wage was too high.
also i'm not the same guy as before m8.
>>689891801
Can someone legitwly be this retarded?
>>689912959
yes, and guns were muskets. clearly you cannot buy drones and guided missiles and tanks so that argument is now irrelevant.
>>689913076
if he thinks the minimum wage is too high it means he thinks they;re making too much money fag
y r bernie fags still here?
>>689912544
Ooh, edgy. I bet you are a fat little dough ball who stays in all day jacking off to traps.
I could not care less about what faggots do. But it seems to me that YOU are the ones forcing your beliefs on the rest of us. Funny how it's OK when you do it.
>>689913092
make too much money dumb ass no one ever said they have too much money you stupid bastard
>>689909359
Finally someone who isn't retarded
No fly list is not public record
No fly list has no due process to get on the list
No fly list has no process for removal
Anyone who supports the no fly list is a fucking idiot.
>>689893208
^ not a shill xD
>>689913105
...are you actually retarded? you know that argument only proves me right?
if modern weapons aren't protected by the constitution because they werent around in 1776, why is the internet protected by the constitution?
>>689913209
I never forced you do do anything. I don't give a fuck, just stay out of other people's business when it doesn't affect you. If you can't, I'm gonna stand my ground all over your ass.
When people talk about "taking America back" from people like me I'm happy to inform you that you aren't taking shit from me without a fight. A dirty one.
>>689913149
He never said minimum wage was too high you bumbling dumbass. he said the exact opposite in the link you posted.
>But Trump held his ground Wednesday despite "Morning Joe" host Mika Brzezinski telling him that "nobody can live" on the federal minimum wage of $7.50 an hour.
>>689909974
Funny Afghanistan, ISIS, Iraq are all cluster fucks and they don't have drones or guided missiles.
>>689913418
obviously they aren't. and no one in their right mind thinks rednecks in trailer parks should have SAM systems set up in their back "yard". it's accepted that that is not a good idea. it's just common sense. there's no argument about it. even with a full invasion eveyone knows rednecks in trailer parks should not have SAM's and tanks.
>>689913105
>muskets meme
kek learn history
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/11/20/important-gun-world-history-assault-weapon-1790/
>>689913298
this isn't the no-fly list, its the terror watchlist. and the repubs are campaigning to have some due process clauses added to the current bill about banning people, whereas the democrats are complaining about that pesky 5th amendment getting in their way.
http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6
>>689912787
According to political compass I'm a social democrat, and from my cold dead hands.
>>689913565
>even with a full invasion eveyone knows rednecks in trailer parks should not have SAM's and tanks.
Guess who populates and runs the bulk of the military.
>>689913565
i dont think people should be trusted with cell phones. the founding fathers could never have envisioned the power to contact anyone anywhere on earth! the government needs to regulate this dangerous technology, which clearly isnt protected by the constitution since cell phones weren't around back then!
>>689913643
i'm perfectly fine with going overboard and making the people who should legitimately own guns having to fight for their right back, to prove they're not a threat. i have zero problem with that.
>>689913456
>forcing states to allow men in the women's bathroom isn't forcing
OK dog prisoner and literal faggot. I'm sure you're very scary. :^)
>>689913841
yeah people who are trained, not your random redneck who wouldn't be accepted or is too much of a coward to do it.
>>689913859
*poisoner
>>689911475
By "well regulated", it meant, by the language of the times of the document, to be made REGULAR/COMMON, not to be disturbed/tainted by bureaucratic legislation.
>>689913850
you just sound dumb. it's apples and oranges faggot. one has legiitmate uses the other is only used to kill human beings. hunting rifles and shit, i see no problem owning.
>>689913857
What part of inalienable is so hard to understand? You treat people like criminals, and you're only going to make enemies. This is the kind of wrong-headed thinking that's making the world go backwards.
>>689889127
But he's not betraying? If you're on a no fly list or terror watch list, you shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm until you clear yourself of any suspiciouns and are removed from the list.
This all said bearing in mind that people can wind up on these lists for the dumbest fucking reasons, but still.
>>689913998
yeah and that's just complete bullshit. just because you keep saying it doens't make it true.
>>689912544
>Fucking patronizing arrogant little shit stains think they can police every bodies persona lives
>why wont they let ME police their personal lives instead!
idiot
>>689913928
>not your random redneck who wouldn't be accepted or is too much of a coward to do it.
half of the people who fought in 1776 were untrained rednecks friendo
>>689914078
i'm not saying everyone. but if the tight regulations affect a few citizens who shuold have guns but an't get them right now, then i'm ok with that. there isn't a hurry unless you want to kill people and don't want to cool down.
>>689914053
Killing other human beings is not a legitimate use? Then we'd damn well better take them away from all those cops and soldiers! They're only looking to kill human beings - which you've decided is not legitimate!
>>689913565
SAMs and tanks aren't firearms you goofy bastard
>>689914328
yes, cops are trained and pass various tests, including psychological tests. whole departments even cities are held responsible when this fails. that's the way it should go.
>>689914053
this is a mini-14. all the guns in this picture are the same gun. saying that the top left one (the "hunting rifle") is okay but the others aren't is just proof that you want to ban things that look scary.
>>689910211
Name a restriction that went before the supreme court and was found consitutional.
The NFA act was upheld on a lie (that the guns in questions were of not military equipment which they were and still are).
Every other case has been struck down (DC's handgun ban, etc). The courts have been clear a state may impose regulations but not ban weapons.
Your claims are baseless.
>>689914493
forgot pic
>>689914493
>can't even post picture
why should anyone listen to you dumb ass?
>>689914535
i'm only against the two tactical rifles. everything else would be fine, in my perfect world.
>>689892814
So you admit he's racist
>>689914546
> actual name-calling
i see you've been studying your liberal discussion techniques.
>>689914660
did you miss the part where they're LITERALLY. THE SAME. GUN.
>>689914546
he has a point though. if you think it is okay and chill for people to have "hunting rifles" but you cower like a little bitch at the sight of an ar-15... the only difference is that you don't understand how they operate and are only judging based off of aesthetics
>>689914805
it isn't though, is it? it's about ease of reloading and shit like that. there is no need to have magazines or whatever they're called hwen you're hunting wabbits.
>>689914857
i just want someone to have to reload manually when they;'re killing people. that's all. and make the guns harder to wield when people are involved. a handgun is ok becuase it's actually pretty difficult to kill people with a handgun but easier to wound.
>>689914944
its not called the bill of NEEDs, cuck.
>>689914944
you are dumb, and maybe 10 years old. why are you posting in this thread or on this website?
>>689915075
remember that time a guy with an ar-15 shot up VT? oh wait, he used TWO HANDGUNS.
also, pic related.
>>689915075
>becuase it's actually pretty difficult to kill people with a handgun but easier to wound.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d81_1449463632
>>689915105
i think any guns that have magazines at all shoul dbe difficult to get, not high capacity fag lord. no one said only high capacity should be banned.
>>689915075
>it's actually pretty difficult to kill people with a handgun but easier to wound.
source: call of duty
>>689915233
i don't know what this is and won't be clicking on it. thanks for trying though
>>689914660
>>689914944
Aside from some differences in finish and the furniture they are wearing they are all essentially the same rifle from any practical standpoint. They are all of the same action in semi-auto and fed from a detachable magazine.
>>689915254
>i think any guns that have magazines at all
in california it is 10 shots... which is as cucked as it gets. only 10 shots in the rifle only 10 shots in the handgun "legally".....
fuck out of here with your arbitrary rules and shit you don't even understand faggot
>>689915226
alright you want to put handguns on the same list as assault style guns? i'm fine with that too.
>>689915360
It's a guy getting killed by a handgun. Thanks for the pointless response though, cuck.
>>689915254
you realize that category includes all guns made in the last century, right?
pic related must be okay, right? its a bolt-action made in 1903.
WRONG. IT HAS A 5-ROUND MAGAZINE.
>>689915581
fuck, forgot pic again
>>689915366
bolt action does not have detachable magazines faggot
>>689915639
you're right, it has an internal magazine, which only takes an additional second or two to reload.
>>689915524
i didn't say it was impossible you dumb fuck. just a lot harder.
