Why not just make evey public place gun free? That would guarantee a stop to mass shootings. And if they doesn't work we just take everybodys gun away. Pretty simply really.
>>689811812
Why not get a gun, load it with the most powerful ammunition you can find, and then unload it into your head?
>>689812208
Let me guess you support trump. Go lick the nra's ass idiot.
>>689811812
People would just smuggle it in faggot
Obvious bait. Gun free zones = unarmed happy hour for an hero sick fucks.
America needs to Alpha up and make conceal carry mandatory.
>>689811812
instead of that, lets just rub our cocks together and talk about unicorn farts.
>>689812479
Not if it's against the law. They outlawed guns in other countries. It will take time to go into effect but after 10 or 20 years guns will be a thing of the past.
>>689811812
If you think any of the millions of people with guns are going to give them up youre a moron
>>689812390
wow, you must have just finished your first year of college! you are so smart
>>689812390
Yes, I support keeping illegals out of my country, but please, ban all guns! No one should have them!
It worked so well to keep drugs out of the country, didn't it?
>>689811812
alot of countries have this
>>689813209
Drugs don't shoot innocent people
>>689813375
Drugs kill way more people than guns retard.
>>689813588
Tell that to all the innocent lives that died in mass murders
Nearly every mass shooting since like 1990 has been in a gun free zone.
If you want to stop terrorism, which is what the Pulse attack was, you need to remove Muslims.
>>689811812
Why not just make drugs illegal? That would stop people from using them
>>689813753
Typical Republican rhetoric only thing that stops a bad person with a gun is a good person. If there weren't any fucking guns all these shootings would stop
>>689813696
How about you present a not shitty argument fuckhead
>>689811812
yes like the workings of your deluded little mind.
>>689814093
>only thing that stops a bad person with a gun is a good person
That is indeed true, but I'm not a Republican.
>>689812390
what a fucktard. incase you didn't know that I thought I should tell you.
>>689812838
sure kid. they said that in 1994. more gun owners and more guns now. more ccw states too. but that's right nobody wants guns.
>>689812947
You do know that it would be possible to disarm every citizen, right?
>>689814093
But there are already millions of guns in this country. So how about you deal with reality instead of your fantasy ideal world?
>>689812816
>>689813696
sure kid. my cousin died of an overdose.
>>689812838
>>689814608
We know for sure you're not going to disarm anyone, puss
>>689814608
It wouldn't be impossible. If people hid their guns and the government found out we should just put those people down. Like gather all the criminals up put them in a big bag and drop them in the ocean.
agree with OP, from UK here we get on without every faggot needing to extend their tiny dick with a gun. And that's coming from a military fag, we don't even use guns that much on deployment. Come at me dickheads ...
Wanker who shot everyone in Orlando had an enhanced gun license, WTF? Don't ban guns just don't give them to terrorists and retards.
>>689814093
whats it like in fairy land? I know big black fairys beating the shit out of little white ones.
heres a protip shit biscuit. EVERYBODY likes guns. get it turd sucker. its not a white republican thing.
>>689814608
Just as possible as removing every brown person from the country- the far better solution.
>>689814867
>>689814867
>put those people down
Or, take their guns and fine them, and if it's a serious stash, then punish them accordingly by giving them a humane prison sentence. I think they did something like that in Brazil btw - disarmed criminals in favelas.
>>689814093
Boston much, stupid? Killer's gonna kill.
>>689814861
so brave calling someone a puss from 3000 miles away.
try that with the cholos, gringo. or don't you go near that part of town?
How would you guarantee something like that? Giant metal detectors blanketing parks and shit? Also consider 3D printed weapons with plastic shells and shit will replace regular guns for mass shootings if something like this unfolds. Chaos never ends.
>>689813375
No but drug dealers do. And so do the cartels that grow and import it. Why do the children have to die for your hobbie anon? Why dont you think of the children?
>>689814999
tl;dr
also checked
>>689811812
Such a bad troll
0/10 for creativity, come up with something
interesting and unique, instead of this bland mess you tried to pass off just because you
want to get replies.
1/10 for making me reply
Make /b/ great again
Newfags, not even once.
In WW2 Americans were asked to donate their personal firearms to England so they wouldn't have to learn German.
>>689814009
That pic is a prime example of how gun free zones work.
The shooter could not enter that building so instead he had to fire blindly though the doors.
>>689815184
swell idea. let me plant some guns at your house. you wanted this law sparky.
Seriously, UK fag here,
FUCKING JUSTIFY WHY ANY CIVILIAN IN THE US NEEDS A PERSONAL WEAPON
SERIOUSLY
COME THE FUCK AT ME
YOU WILL LOSE
YOU ARE COWARDS
YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO OVERCOME ANY CONFRONTING SITUATION WITH TAT COMMS/PERSONAL SAFETY TRAINING
OPEN YOUR EARS AND LISTEN FOR ONCE
>>689815075
this
>>689814093
So? Timothy McVeigh found a way to kill people without using guns.
>>689815627
which way is mecca from your "flat"
>>689815627
Stale. but still bait.
>>689814867
swell idea. let me plant some at your house.
>>689815627
Reported.
>>689815627
loud noises
go back to screeching about your own irrelevant country you fuck.
>>689815312
Outlaw 3d printers
>>689815627
>FUCKING JUSTIFY WHY ANY CIVILIAN IN THE US NEEDS A PERSONAL WEAPON
To kill our enemies.
I'm serious. If someone tries to mug me or harm my family, I don't want to "defend myself", I want to make their guts spill out on the fucking pavement.
I'm sorry you're such a fucking cuck that you'd rather surrender your weapons to a state that will stand idly by while your daughter is raped than accept responsibility for defending yourself and your own.
>>689815303
>>689815919
don't dude, he might get shot for holding his T.V. remote.
>>689815790
Mecca?? Not Muslim mate, just a tad more educated than you, why not try answering the question instead?
Or are you the next retard mass shooting suspect we're going to hear about?
>>689815711
Yea he used a truck full of gun powder. With no guns we wouldn't need gun powder.
>>689815906
Drugs are illegal. Why haven't you planted any in my house? Oh, right, because they'd likely find out these days.
>>689815953
first amendment. lets do cameras too. you know CP.
>>689815627
Guns stop a lot of women from getting raped. Fuck you.
>>689815627
Well losing your temper is for sure not the way to overcome a confronting situation so how do you manage with all that pent up angst?
>>689815547
>>689814608
Just like it was possible to collect all 2.5 million 30 round magazines from the citizens of MA? You know that they're all considered to be felons now.
Problem is that there are 2.5 million AR's owned by citizens in mass but only 1700 owned by the police and the police were not willing to go get them. Even though they were all registered.
Last time a gun was collected in the US was when the British did it during the Revolutionary War. It went very well for the British.
>>689816054
still the coward. actually I thought you bailed.
not being able to handle confrontation and all.
>>689816056
>don't dude, he might get shot for holding his T.V. remote.
Only if his TV is not licensed.
>>689811812
>Wants terrorists to burn our women and rape our churches by taking away guns from the good honest hard working white country folk with guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osgrd1MPb7I
>>689815627
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>689816018
My 'daughter' has never been raped and I seriously don't fear for that either. I feel sorry for you living in a country where it is normal to feel like you have to own a gun to be safe. That's all
>>689816083
ho hum brits are dumb. sure you deserve one limey? jump to conclusions is a sign of rather low intelligence. toddle off now lad the adults are talking.
>>689816137
Actually, he used fertilizer and diesel fuel, 55 gallon drums, and a rental truck.. No one has any need for any of those things. Ban all of them.
>>689816137
He did not use gunpowder. Gunpowder does not explode, it is not an explosive, it is a propellant.
>>689816201
Yeah, you really care about issues like rape. I am also sure rapists would use a gun to force a victim. And I am also sure its more often than they have been used to save someone from a rape.
>>689816558
Well, thanks, but your pity won't save me. A shotgun will.
Here's hoping you get rid of those Muslims soo, fam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBk
>>689816528
Are you fucking little bitch about me, what did you say? I have in my head of the Navy SEAL graduation, Al Quaeda, I know a lot of secrets to participate in raids, I will have to check more than 300 people. I am trained to war ape but I’m the best snipers in the entire United States military. You are nothing to me, but not another goal. Show my fucking word, like never seen before on this earth with a precision that will wipe out all sex with you. Over the internet, you are talking shit out of me, you think? Pups, think again. I spy across the U.S. We have a network of contacts within the secret and your IP is currently being tracked, so you can say the storm, the maggots are available. You pathetic little thing you call a life away storm. Are you fucking kid is dead. I can be anywhere at any time, seven more ways than I can kill you, and it’s just my bare hands. I have extensive training, unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps, and I can be your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit you are using the full range of polished as well. You have your little “clever” comment is any divine retribution gohaetda tteuiryeo you down, but you know, maybe you will be held tongue fucking. But you, you stupid fuck you right now, the price did not have to pay. I will shit all your anger, thereby missing. You are dead, my dear, is fucking.
>>689816317
What he's saying, stoopid, is guns stopped the Nazis.
>>689811812
he isn't even trying guys, come on
>>689811812
Making cocaine illegal does not stop people from doing it.
>>689816363
Really? You seriously think that by putting up "gun free zone" signs it would stop mass shootings? You must be very naive.
>>689816237
Hey bro, I'm totally calm,
Would like to know what its like to be an amerifag living in constant fear that you're going to be beheaded by ISIS or your daughter raped, so much so that you have to arm yourself 24/7?
Trust me, if I was losing my temper with you face to face, you'd know about it.. For now we're on the internet so it doesn't really matter
chill bro
>>689816505
Baby skull seeking bullets are essential! What is wrong with you.
>>689816137
Truck filled with ANNMAL (higher yield version of ANFO) not gunpowder.
>>689816689
>>689816505
>Implying Americans don't need armor piercing proof bullets.
>>689816346
I'm not American, but iirc, during that Boston lockdown thing everyone just let cops do whatever in homes without resistance. Do you really think that people would rather die or go to jail resisting arrest than just play along, give their guns to govt (and possibly join a shooting club if they really want to shoot guns)?
>>689816842
What he's saying is that Britain was so hard up for arms they were begging for anything they could get their hands on, including personally owned hunting rifles and pistols that could be donated to their home guard so it would free up one more SMLE for a combat troop. They had to do this because the nation wanted to be rid of private firearms.
>>689816018
1) To protect the citizens from an overbearing government.
2) To shoot dangerous or delicious animals.
3) Because the US spends about 1/3 the money of your average First World nation funding our Police Forces so if you don't live in a major city (and in a lot of cases even if you do) it takes between 15 minutes and AN HOUR for the police to arrive when you call them.
Most people in the US are responsible for themselves. Cruel truth. Liberals in DC that don't want people to own a firearm are never more than 30 seconds from a body guard and feel 100% safe at all times. This is not the case for 90% of most of the country and it's not just because of rape/murder/terrorism.
>>689817284
He's right. it's a deflagration not a detonation like black powder or dynamite.
>>689816631
How the fuck can poop and fuel explode. Lol prolly thing 9/11 was an inside job
>>689817333
unfortunately, you do sort of need to balance personal liberties with public security
in that sort of situation, I wouldn't object to a search of my home
>>689817445
Glad we agree, unless you meant to reply to the Britbong/
>>689816137
talk about misinformed
>>689817482
Black powder doesn't detonate
>>689817333
Uh...yes. They did it.
There was a mob at the city hall with a spokesman that said, "I have them, I'm not registering them, come try and take them."
Same in NY State. The police refused to do it for fear of being killed by the citizens.
>>689817333
There's a difference between responding to a crisis by temporarily giving up your rights and submitting to a law and forever giving up your rights.
>>689816145
what ever asshole
>>689817116
Except I'm not even American. How often do you wear a seatbelt? How many traffic accidents have you had? Will you have one eventually? That's the reason behind carrying a firearm, better to have and not need than to need and not have. Its not about fear its about being prepared. Very few people want to be in a situation where they need to soot someone in defense, but It has to happen to someone, just like a reverse lottery.
>>689811812
>>>689816237
>Hey bro, I'm totally calm,
>
>Would like to know what its like to be an amerifag living in constant fear that you're going to be beheaded by ISIS or your daughter raped, so much so that you have to arm yourself 24/7?
>
>Trust me, if I was losing my temper with you face to face, you'd know about it.. For now we're on the internet so it doesn't really matter
>
>chill bro
I have NO fear. None. Cuz I'm th baddest muthafucka in the valley, and I'm WELL armed and trained.
But you go right ahead and let the mudslimes use your girls for toilets.
Just don't call US.....
>>689817284
Your not very educated are you?
>>689817735
It wouldn't be a right anymore after a reformed gun law. What kind of patriot hates their laws.
>>689816735
Hey, I don't know what it's like to live in the US, but I've stayed there enough times and for long enough to know that you don't have marauding muslims parading around the place demanding your life or your daughters virginity. A shotgun is great, I like a good clay pigeon shoot myself, but I certainly don't feel the need to keep one by my doorstep, I guess thats because I live in a safe, gun regulated, democratic country.
hey ho
>>689816558
guess by your logic I don't need my fire extinguisher either.
>>689817520
Ammonium Nitrate and Fuel oil is the mix that is commonly used in mining. It's a slury that you mix up and bore a hole then pour it in the hole and drop in a blasting cap and det cord then blammo.
That's what Mythbusters used on that cement truck in episode 1 and the finally that like...made it disappear.
You can get it literally ANYWHERE. It's nothing.
That's the thing...explosive material is really really easy to make. High GRADE explosive stuff is not...but barn grade stuff...that is super easy. Just get a chemistry text book and goof around in your garage long enough and you can do whatever...
>>689817520
Chemistry.
>>689818056
It's nice to be able to respond to threats with force. I guess you, as a Britbong who just rolls over when faced with enemies, wouldn't understand that.
>>689817333
then why post. having an opinion of other peoples affairs means you're uncouth.
>>689818056
Guns are why we dont have that guhv'na
Now drink your tea and piss off
>>689817520
god you're stupid
Fun fact: in some states the no guns signs don't have any legal status and you can ignore them completely and carry. State laws are specific, if a sign is the wrong color or size you can also ignore them.
>>689815011
>underrated post
>>689814999
Say, wasn't the security company he worked for based in London? Thanks, Britbong. Always nice to know we can rely on your good judgement.
>>689817333
the word context escapes you. doesn't it.
toddle off now.
>>689818168
Im slightly more than half sure they said they used HIGH explosive in that episode. ANFO is a low explosive.
why not just make every place gun required? people tend to be much more polite to others when at any moment they might get their body ventilated.
>>689817652
No...you.
It actually rather bugs me when they compare gun crime in the US to the UK. If you look at the volume of random stabbings in the UK vs the US it's retarded. That's all that would happen here if you got rid of half the guns. Same amount of crime, just knives or screwdrives or a bomb or something vs a gun. Not fixing the problem.
A drunk chav is the same as a drunk nigger bitch.
>>689818063
Or a seatbelt. Or a smoke alarm. Or, or, or...
I looked in my collection and I only have a picture of one non-police or military person in modern times with an assault rifle.
>>689818048
sure kid. maybe you'll get that free college. you know that they have promised since 1998.
that Obama did in 2008 Bernie in 2016.
don't wait on the Hill though.
>>689817913
I wear sealtbelt every journey bro, dont know what relevance that has. Hmm traffic accidents, had two, one involving just me, one was me bumping into the back of a motorcyclist who wasnt paying attention to the lights. No injuries either way.
HOWEVER
Have been a police officer for 2 years in the uk, dont care if you lot believe me, and still have only ever used spray, only ever threatened to use baton, never hit anyone with it.
So yeah, Tatical comms and negotiation goes a long way.
>>689818919
I have free university where I live.
>>689818056
you don't know what its like. then how can you post.
you must be retarded in you little shithole that you are so ashamed of you won't say its name.
>>689818832
I love chicks with guns. Full auto=byoobie shakes
>>689818832
that's fucking awesome
you can almost see her having flashbacks about the bush war/falklands
>>689811812
ALRIGHT KIDDIES, TIME FOR AN IOWA FAG TO LEAR YOU A LESSON!
Most places and businesses around iowa are gun free zones. All public places have a no open carry stance, you have a gun in public that isn't in a case, you'll get put down by the cops. Thing is theses dont stop people who want someone dead from going out and killing people. Desmoines and council bluffs are nice examples of that.
half way into this i realized this is bait but I didn't want my angry typing to be wasted.
>>689818591
Watch ep 1
The entire inside of the back of the truck was filled with bags of anfo. The explosives guy was ultra nervous even at that distance.
I know it's a "slow explosive" but if you contain it like that and there's that much of it...it goes. Just like black powder.
Burn a little pile of F black powder...nothing. Then grind it up (FFFF) and cram it into a tube and you got a bomb.
>>689811812
There was a shooting in a gun free zone.
Your argument is invalid.
>>689818726
Ah, but at least it wouldn't be gun crime! Its so much more civilized to be shanked. They talk about how afraid Americans must be, but they are terrified of an electrician walking half a block to get a coffee with a screwdriver in is pocket from the job he's still working on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203982/Electrician-tasered-50-000-volts-police-bring-having-SCREWDRIVER-pocket.html
>>689818952
Most police in the USA never draw their weapons. Their leading cause of deaths are traffic accidents. When they actually do shoot at something they miss 91% of the time.
>>689819080
so. only a moron would think it is free. nice education.
>>689816346
There were a few guns turned over in new york annon.
>>689816558
You had a 'daughter' with that mentality? did your condom break last time you hired a hooker or something?
>family values
>>689819336
you ain't lying
>>689818832
She learned it from her sister.
>>689819336
That brings some welcome humour to this depressing-ass retarded thread, thank you
>>689811812
>Why not just make evey public place gun free?
90% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones
>>689819349
It is nice, many call it the best in the world. : D
>>689819428
yea its fucking great
some 95% estimated non-compliance
>>689819554
I wonder how much seamen they were pumped full of on that voyage
>>689811812
>>689816690
Statistically rape is most often committed while unarmed than armed with a gun... so yeah, competent use of a gun tends to stop rape.
>>689811812
Because gun free zones have worked so well, kill yourself anon.
>>689819703
Yeah, there'd be mass shootings on a weekly basi...oh wait
Britfags hate guns cuz they cat have em any more.
Similar to penis envy.
Mate
>>689819225
I understand the significance of restricting an explosion, I got the HI-EX part wrong though. Smokeless packed into a pipe is supposed to be better than black is it not? Actually on this topic, saw a Youtube vid of some kids packing sparklers into pvc, huge bang and sparks scatterd over probably 200 feet, from sparklers ffs lol
>>689819487
Wow, you seriously missed the point of that by a fucking mile bro. WE (British) dont fear our daughters or sons for that matter being randomly raped by muslims like the US do. And weather my daughter/son was from a hooker what does that matter? we're on /b/ afterall?
>>689819428
There were a few in mass and a few in NY. It was like less than 1% in each place.
It was so ridiculously low that they literally just pretended that the law does not exist because there is no way for them to put millions of people in jail or not let them vote.
It's also completely unconstitutional and they would get their brains sued out. It was probably the biggest example of government incompetence and stupidity in recent memory. Hardly a word about it on the news.
The best part about it all is that they release statistics about how insanely outgunned the government is (which is exactly why the second amendment exists) and PROVED that they really have 0 control over the people when they actually try to flex their muscles. It was a joy to watch.
>>689819768
Theres no need for them to take our bullet piercing bullets. We need to be able to kill cops.
>>689820037
>bullet piercing bullets
>>689818168
So by your logic if I pooped in a diesel trucks gas tank I could explode it?
>>689819851
NO, there'd be revolt.
>>689820156
not enough ammonium nitrate in your shit
>>689819851
You don't logic too well, just quick with nonsense quips.
>>689819912
>Britfags hate guns cuz they cat have em any more.
They can have some guns with some bullshit.
Gun Free Zone just makes it an even easier place for a sick fuck to shoot up with an illegal gun.
>>689819966
The news wont report that, it shows just how incompetent the left is, and just how meaningless these measures are. They cost a bunch of money and don't do a thing except make it more difficult to be a law abiding gun owner.
>>689819936
I'm not sure...
Like..."smokeless" for a bullet is technically not an explosive. It's a 'propellant'. The burn rates are much much faster but I don't think they would make you a 'bomb' in the sense that the casing would tend to fracture and you'd get shrapnel and stuff all over the place.
Now if you did like my uncles did when they were kids and filled an empty propane can with like 10,000 match heads and light that on fire...that makes you a bomb. =P
Black powder or the pretend alternatives are an explosive. Same with an anfo or something like...I dunno...really the crap in a match probably...I'm not a chemist. But you need that expanding gas. The smokeless inherently would not have the gas.
>>689820118
Don't mock a fellow hard earnest christian with guns. I may be iliterate but god gave us guns for a reason. Because of the 666 and followers of satan. If you know what I mean boy.
>>689815627
Okay.
It's because of you.
I'm not bullshitting. It's because of you.
Do you want me to explain it or are you already triggered?
>>689820209
Then I'll pee in it two. Urine is 4 parts ammonia anyways
>>689819109
oh hey dude maybe you werent paying attention, I live in the UK, in a little shithole called suffolk, and Im sat right now without a gun without being killed or raped or whatever you lot think will happen..... go figure
>>689820209
You're disregarding the fact that you need blasting caps to detonate ANFO, which are controlled by the ATF.
>>689820037
Implying the body armor issued to police is going to stop a standard hunting load. Most body armor is rated for SAMMI 9mm which is pretty weak.
>>689818048
"cold dead hands"
Also thats the whole point of the 2nd amendment, to prevent a forceful and 'unlawful' disarming of the US public. I'm not saying we need military grade equipment, but a reformed gunlaw that limits the public to handguns or hunting-rifles alone is exactly the disarming of the US Public that is prevented by the bill of rights.
>>689820156
Maybe if all your cows did...but i don't know how many cows you have...or if they're ripe.
>>689820671
I'm sitting here in the United States and my AR-15 hasn't killed or raped anyone.
>>689820607
Yeah go on man explain, I'm listening, you think I'm a terrorist or something?
>>689820719
Thats why we get bigger bullets. We have the right to I seen. They can't take our guns away. What if those goodguys become badguys?
>Wishing had armed kids with guns when "it" begins.
>>689821087
whoops
>>689820903
Good for you bro, how much does an AR-15 cost? How many inches does it make your dick bigger? (Disregarding the arousal your weird gun fetish gives you?)
>>689820369
Christ...this makes even less sense to me that US law....
So, I can shoot down an aircraft, and carry a handgun that can take down a bear, and carry a gun that will blast a hole in any door so you can't barricade yourself, but I can't have a proper carry pistol or something to defend my house that my wife could shoot? Makes perfect sense.
>>689821257
Using the penis argument means you have no real argument
>>689821257
Nice ad hominem faggot
And we pray to God nothing DOES happen.
But what if it does. Stab them with your pruning shears, or hit them with your flatball knockstick?
>>689820557
"The burn rates are much much faster but I don't think they would make you a 'bomb' in the sense that the casing would tend to fracture and you'd get shrapnel and stuff all over the place."
Thats how grenades work though right? Also its the expanding gas from the smokeless gunpowder that pushes out the slug which is actually the same for black but black explodes, which means that the expansion is exponential while smokeless is not, its just very fast.
>>689811812
Why not just make every public place nigger free? That would guarantee a stop to mass crime. And if that doesn't work we just take everybody's KFC away. Pretty simple really.
>>689811812
>let's ban alchohal
>oh okay
>shit people are illegally buying alchohal, more then when they bought it legally
>>689820369
Sooooo much wrong with post.....
I cant even
>>689820676
>You're disregarding the fact that you need blasting caps to detonate ANFO, which are controlled by the ATF.
If senpai is brilliant enough to make or get anfo...
>>689811812
How about anyone who uses a gun illegally gets executed on the spot? It will be a war of attrition that legal gun owners will win. It will also solve the nignog problem.
>>689821508
Obviously this thread is b8 to see who the anti gun fags are
>>689821331
Really? Thats your argument? At least I tried, a little
>>689821428
kek
>>689821711
It's just ad hominem. You are literally saying nothing
>>689820676
10 grams or more of a conventional 7/3 potassium perchlorate/dark
german aluminum flash powder mix will initiate a 95/5 mix of ammonium
nitrate/dark german aluminum mix.This can be used to initiate a 92/8
ammonium nitrate/fuel oil anfo mix.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.engr.explosives/X7C0B5nOvSg
>>689819940
you... DID look across the channel right? I mean, I thought the Brexit was so all the immigrant related rapes wouldn't get into your boarders..
I mean, seriously, if you're not worried about it, then the rest of your little island has to be.
>>689811812
jerk bait
>>689821380
ooh wow /b/fags are using latin now? why dont you try talking to me instead of trying to appear superior you pretentious cunt
>>689813588
Drugs kill the people that take them. Nobody has ever killed a man by throwing a handful of coke in his face
>>689821690
touche
>>689821909
If you think that's appearing superior you are seriously dim
>>689811812
>>>689821909
>If you think that's appearing superior you are seriously dim
Naw, he just FEELS inferior cuz he had to look it up!
>>689821886
Maybe just the type of people who will argue about it on /b/... ah shit thats me
Seriously though, don't believe all you hear on FOX news, its really not that bad here... and we still don't need guns
>>689820914
No, you're not a terrorist. I don't assume anyone is a terrorist.
All I'm going to explain is why we feel we need to keep our guns.
The general argument for taking away guns is to get them out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. Fine. I think most people agree this is good.
The problem is that we also don't trust our government. This is engrained in our DNA, programmed in hard and deep. We're not raised by crazy whack job rednecks - those of us who support gun rights - that is, support the Constitution of the US - are actually really well-educated. But I digress.
We don't trust our government to take away guns from just terrorists. That's the problem. We don't trust them to not turn on us. But why? In what modern society would a first-world power government ever turn on it's citizens?
This is where you come in.
You did. The Crown did. It turned its guns on its own people - us. But this isn't surprising: history shows that this has happened before. Yes, currently everyone and their mother trumpets out how Australia hasn't had any mass shootings so good for them. They're the exception. The rule is Russia. Or the Ukraine, pre WWII. Or China, either now or prior to the Boxer rebellion.
Anyway, the foremost superpower at the time - the UK - took away the rights of the colonists and specifically their right to have guns prior to instituting all kinds of laws to get the Colonists in line.
And you wonder why we don't trust people taking away our guns, and why we cling to the idea that we should be able to defend ourselves.
>>689822293
Well done, I DID have to look it up, I have no current need to know any latin in my walk of life. Whereas you feel the need to use it on an internet forum... hmmm
>>689822311
Actually heard it (immigration related rapes in mainland Europe) from the BBC... so...
Um... I'll leave that for you... to think about.
>>689815547
Looool
>>689821942
Then why do gun grabbers bitch about guns used in suicides?
>>689822597
You learn about different types of arguments in an elementary debate class on the first day
>>689822759
It inflates their numbers and makes it look worse than it is
>>689822360
I'm sorry for the shoddy writing and sentence fragments. It's been a long day.
>>689822597
Education should not arise from need, but from desire. Better yourself.
>>689821909
Perhaps we are superior.
>>689822360
Finally a decent argument, thank you! Still a bit disillusioned but well done.
I'm not stupid, you cant take away a billion guns away from the US citizens in an instance. But seriously the people the US let get away with having a gun licence is ridiculous!!! Yeah of course we have firearms in the UK but every government agency knows about them and everything about their history!! Therefore we have a FAR less percentage of gun crime and shootings. I understand that owning a gun and shooting it regularly is a honored US pastime but would you seriously not want to give it up to save the lives of all the poor victims of mass shootings in the recent years?
They did it on brazil, yet we have 70k homicides per year, 70% by guns. Do you think criminals follow the law, honey? They have aks, rpgs, ar15s and shit.
>>689822953
The point at hand.... Get to it or GTFO
>>689822930
its cool bro
>>689821420
That's what I mean by lack of gas.
A smokeless powder is a propellant. They're shaped grannuals that are specifically designed to not rupture the casing of the bullet.
Granted, you can overcharge the bullet and cause failure etc but I would suspect that they're called a "propellant" because of the amount of expanding gas they make (less smoke).
Something like C4 or whatever is in a grenade (I don't know) that burns very rapidly and would just be designed to make as much gas as possible as quickly as possible. Smoke and all. In this case, smoke would actually be beneficial because it would be more expanding gas. You want gas, heat, rapid reaction to destroy your container.
>>689812591
/thread.
>>689822759
Honestly, this >>689822899
Bitching about guns used in suicides is retarded. Either way, my argument is that guns can't be compared to drugs in the sense that "they both kill people." We have an issue with mass shootings, not mass druggings.
>>689823547
Nah. OP baited and was WELL slammed. The defense rests.
>>689823428
The #1 problem with gun licencing is that Gun Purchase background checks do not touch nearly enough databases for red flags.
There is no connection to the Do Not Fly list, there is no connection to certain NSA watchlists, there is no connection to Mental Health databases...
Simply put, the depth of a background check is not sufficient due to an inability for multiple organizations to pool their knowledge due to security, insecurity and privacy concerns.
>>689823333
Do you ALSO triforce?
Did you mean EVEN?
Anyone can use google translate you little bitch, try again with something better seriously
>>689823428
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
What lives?
>>689824031
Theres loads of troll threads out there kid, go lurk somewhere else whilst the adults talk
>>689812591
>America needs to Alpha up and make conceal carry mandatory.
We are awaiting the order...
>>689823428
You're projecting, do you blame knives for the crimes in the UK? Of course you don't, the tools used are not a product of the intentions of criminals.
>>689823805
you realize there IS a significant movement to provide a certain drug that can effectively negate drug overdoses.
The US does indeed have a problem with 'Mass' Druggings... they just happen to be self inflicted.
>>689822360
Exactly.
No one in the US trusts the government or the police or anyone of authority.
We have CAREER government officials. The things that people forget here astounds me. There are Japanese citizens living in the US who are STILL ALIVE (see George Takei) who were arrested, put in a concentration camp, and had all of their stuff taken away IN the US, simply for being Japanese!
Russia has done stuff like this, the US has done it, Germany did it, Italy did it, the UK did it, EVERY government did it. They have done it before, and if you think they won't do it again because "this time it's different" you're fucking stupid.
And I'm a white, Christian, Male who has nothing to worry about! =P
>>689824435
Anon...
>>689823672
I think you missed what I was saying. I was saying that an explosive is a compound which must when ignited expand exponentially. A propellant when ignited expands fast but linear. A propellant is a propellant due to the way it burns not the gas/smoke.
>>689811812
>>689824043
Fair one bro,
I assume it all comes down to that 5/6th amendment or whatever it is. Americans too hung up on needing to be able to own a gun etc.
Hopefully what you've said will get noticed (Not from here obviously) and something will be done. Very much doubt it will if Trump gets in though tbf...
>>689811812
I always carry in gun free zones. Silly lil sign would t stop me.
>>689812591
>mandatory
Now why on earth would you say that. It would seem you'd like to infringe upon my rights to choose whether i bear arms? Don't, dare i say, tread on me. Carry your gun if it satisfies your obsessive thirst for safety. I'll choose to walk peacefully in the face of evil. In other words, "i dont need a gun, i kill muffukas wit my hands."
>>689824551
I stand corrected.
>frustration intensifies.
How do we reach these keeeds?
>>689823805
Do you not realize that a large proportion of US crime is drug related, either gang wars, or junkies stealing shit for drugs?
>>689824532
>Has nothing to worry about
Just wait until SJWs and Black Lives Matter have their way.
>>689815569
if it saves one life...
>>689823428
No, I would still not surrender my weapons.
The problem is that this formula is wrong:
Americans - Guns = No Mass Shootings
1. People already have guns. Will they be harder to obtain? Yes. Will that prevent them being obtained? No.
2. People are pointing at guns being the source of the problem. The source of the problem is psychopaths. Yes, the gun helps - there's no denying that - but people like Timothy McVeigh and the Weather Underground and the Boston Bomber proved that guns are not a -requirement- of mass killings.
3. On a personal note, I'd much rather have the ability to stop a mass shooting in progress than wait for some police to show up after the fact.
I pose your question back to you, but differently.
You are at a public event and a madman has pulled out a firearm and started killing. I am standing next to you. Would you - because I know you're not armed - rather I have the right to draw and put the guy down, or would you rather that I not have that capability?
Would you rather leave it to the police, or would you rather that I take care of it at that moment?
>>689824551
Serrated butter knife!
(Or is that a jolly jelly flatener? You guys have weird names for things).
>>689825021
>3. On a personal note, I'd much rather have the ability to stop a mass shooting in progress than wait for some police to show up after the fact.
>>689825021
>leave it to the police
>>689815859
Those are some pretty cool statistics you got from the NRA prolly lol.
>>689811812
>>>689825021
>>leave it to the police unless it involves my kids or wife.
Fixed.
>>689811812
>>689825021
Dude, I'd fucking love to have a gun on me at the time of a mass shooting, but look, they don't happen in the UK anymore.The last serious incident we had (Lee Rigby) was done using knives and a machete?!) Yes I would totally support you taking charge of a situation like that and wouldn't stand in your way, but wouldn't you rather have the decreased possibility of such an occurrence? And in the event wouldn't you rather have the killing of a man on a police officer's conscience instead of yours?
>>689824043
This is one thing. The NICS doesn't have state data or mental health data even.
But more importantly, even if they KNOW that you shouldn't have a gun and that the gun is illegal, there is literally nothing that can be done about it.
Look at it this way:
Say I'm a crazy guy brooding for 6 months like the dude that just shot up the gay bar. (Now he had a completely legal firearm even though he was on several watch lists on and off.) But let's pretend I'm a felon.
I want an AR. I want several Mags. I need ammo.
The only part in an AR that is "illegal" is the lower. So, I'm a criminal...what's say I go steal some stuff...then give my buddy some money, he buys a 90% lower, has his buddy finish it up and gives it to me. I'm in good shape. Now I go on amazon, buy some grips, hit a show, buy some mags and an upper in cash, go to walmart buy a scope I like and ammo, sporting good store and grab some other fun accessories...assemble, test out...pleasant weekend.
Nothing about this is 1) illegal 2) traceable 3) EVEN A FUCKING GUN.
What are you going to ban plastic that is shaped like parts of a gun? Ban bullets? Ban metal? Fire? Gun powder? Sulfer and salt peter?
It's stupid on its face. The more you ban the more difficult it gets to trace.
You need a cultural change wherein people actually talk to each other and are willing to report things to the police that they see as weird and where the police aren't going to THEN investigate them for some bullshit they might be doing.
>>689811812
>>>689815859
>Those are some pretty cool statistics you got from the NRA prolly lol.
Read what's under her right leg. It's from our government.
>>689824707
no no, you misunderstand.
The NSA/FBI/Whoever doesn't want their data showing up in a 'publicly accessible Background check'.
The Do Not Fly list can catch people who *gasp* work at a business that is under the suspicion of fraud (non-violent white-collar crime) and is not a reliable indicator of violent potential.
The Mental Health part is a whole 'nother can of worms. Doctor/Patient confidentiality, the need to not discriminate against mentally unstable peoples by putting them on any list, the fact that medical data is one of the least secured types of 'big data'...
A background check doesn't do enough, but if it did more, it would be trampling upon many other rights and privacy concerns.
Honestly, I'm in support of gun ownership. Want I want people to take away from my words is that 'If you don't exercise your rights, you won't know how much they've already been limited.'
>>689824440
A problem caused by self infliction is still not as big of a problem as a mass killing. Somebody choosing to have a tad too much heroin can't be compared to a man opening fire on a night club.
>>689824801
And a large portion of crime being drug related doesn't matter. As a gun is likely used in many of these crimes, removing the gun may not stop the crime in particular but it could only reduce the body count. If gang turf wars were fought like they were back in the day, nobody loses a child to a stray bullet because they chose to walk down the wrong street. pic related
>>689825518
The noob said statistics. :D
>>689824601
I don't think that gun powder in a bullet expands in a "linear" fashion...it's just shaped by the cartridge and the primer (which is an explosive) mercury fulminate sets it off.
If you whack up the cartridge or over charge it then you can det the chamber sideways...
But during WWII there were sabotage rounds that had like...a blasting cap in them and a wad. That would blow up the chamber. Not really much more physically than the powder that was in there but it was an explosive vs the propellant.
I'm also told that if you were to put black powder in a cart it would blow up your gun.
>>689826215
The solution is simple: make Black male free zones.
>>689824965
>if it saves one life...
By what, stopping a bullet while everyone else in the room dies?
If every 'gun free zone' sign in the world prevented 1 gun related death, it would be a morally strong, but insanely inefficient cost. I would rather spend that money on Gun Safety Education and reduce the far more preventable Accidental shootings that occur in peoples homes. (children playing with guns, Miss-fires while handling/loading etc.)
A mass shooting is something that can be best stopped by an aware public who truly does care about the happiness of their fellow man.
>>689818726
Hmmm, but i thought if they made guns illegal then criminals would still have guns? Odd that it would be reduced to non-projectile weapons. Unless of course you admit that banning guns would also decrease criminal weapon occupation and gun violence in general. But that would be too good to be true, yes?
>>689825796
You just said you still have mass murders. How is dead by knife any different from dead by gun? And yeah guns are easier to use maybe, but you guys are making up for quality with quantity.
Friendly reminder that there is a country directly to the north of your home with a similar population breakdown, economic condition, and number of guns per capita, but whose citizens do not feel the need to shoot up a public place on a monthly basis. Learn from our example.
>>689826777
I think you misunderstood, Lee Rigby was one guy in 2013, were talking about 49 people dead last saturday, let alone the rest before that
>>689826426
>I don't think that gun powder in a bullet expands in a "linear" fashion...it's just shaped by the cartridge and the primer
>it's shaped by the firing chamber
>>689826190
Back in the day like pic related. So before blacks?
>>689818034
Dat spelling irony tho
>>689826426
>I don't think that gun powder in a bullet expands in a "linear" fashion...
If you really care to know the details.
/home/trump/Desktop/Guns/ChildGunDeaths4_1.png
>>689827132
Precisely
>>689826951
Yeah, but you don't have the radical Jihadist or the din-does we have. They all want to be here, South of the border, where it's better.
>>689825815
I fully understand and agree with your statement...
>the #1 problem with Gun Licencing
>GUN LICENCING
If we're just talking about legally purchasing a whole gun...
>>689827260
opps.
I fucked up the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTAKr3Y2EV0
>>689814867
Dude, we don't even really execute murderers in the US, why would we execute people who haven't harmed anyone? I'm all for executing violent felons, but don't pretend that your liberal ass is suddenly pro death penalty.
>>689811812
pretty simple to enforce actually. metal detectors in most places + random patdowns = increased pressure on gun carriers that eventually lead to them being too scared to carry one around in public
>>689825796
My conscience is completely irrelevant to this argument. I've no doubt it'd affect me tremendously, because I love people. I'm gregarious and extroverted as fuck, but it's still irrelevant given the situation.
Additionally - in the end it's not the mass shootings by random psychopaths that's the concern here. We still haven't addressed the very real fear of the government turning on its people.
This was already such a substantial problem that the people who put our founding documents together indicated that the people must be prepared to fight off their government.
Madison and others wrote that the second amendment defends all the others, after all. Why take away our ability to defend our own laws?
>>689826190
The difference I was addressing with 'mass druggings' is that even though it's less of a problem, considerably more is being done about it.
>>689826100
Well, you hit on a couple things but missed a couple.
NRA is for the background checks and for training. They always have been.
The NICS check is supposed to be an instant, federal database of felons. There is no requirement for the states to contribute data to it. While this is technically not something that can or should be "enforced" you would fucking think that the states that are ultra pro gun control like Maryland and California would volunteer up that information to NICS so that it's handy. According to NICS, there are 0 felons in MD, 0 in PA, 1 in DE, 1 in VA, etc etc etc.
Incentivise the contribution of data.
Mental health check really does violate HIPA unless you have been committed or something like that. But again, pass SOMETHING. If you have Federal health insurance and you do X then you're on the list until Y. Whatever.
The no fly lists are trash for this. They don't even use an SSN to sort names. It's just a name. This cannot be used for NICS.
FBI terror list can parley into felon list in NICS, but not this list itself. This is again a flag list and does not mean you did anything. No due process.
>>689811812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgeoWlqM4i8
>>689821711
You lost so fucking hard dude. Goddamn, I'm dying.
>muh gubberment war
>muh sport and hunting
>muh enemies
>>689826215
just noticed, White Females are MORE likely to die due as a 1-4yo than as a teen.
Shit, maybe they're doing something right?
>>689811812
Because personal safety and security is a human need. Disarming yourself prevents you from personal protection.
>>689821909
Dis nigga be trollin
>>689812838
>not if it's against the law
Okey partner because nobody does illegal things
>>689811812
jesus what's up with these anti-gun data mining threads already?
OP is obviously a government agency shill who is trying to get the opinions of people to see how well their gun-banning agenda is doing
to OP, go fuck yourself
>>689826951
but by god, it's cold up there.. most people just stay at home and look at the moose outside their house on the boot.
>>689827545
Deep bro, real deep! ;-)
I'm glad you've appreciated the fact you wouldn't like to take a life.On the conversation I've had with you alone, I reckon I'd give you a gun if you wanted one... Well done, you've earned it, feel free to take a printout of this message to your nearest armory for a reference.
I don't know enough about US history to talk with you about what you've mentioned, but it certainly makes for good reading!
>>689826426
When I'm saying expands linear or exponentially I'm talking about the pressure curve on a graph. Primers are impact sensitive explosives yes, but mercury fulminate is a very old one not used very much because "Today, mercury fulminate has been replaced in primers by more efficient chemical substances. These are non-corrosive, less toxic and more stable over time; they include lead azide, lead styphnate and tetrazene derivatives.
>dey wanna terk away er guhns
>>689827821
/..... still waiting for a comeback
>>689827909
And yet, you'll call the nasty badasses with the guns so you don't get Sharia Law rammed down your throat, huh? Guns'll be good then, right?
>>689826951
We also only have 10% of the population, and fewer less dense cities.
>>689827044
And you're not looking into murder rate per capita, just gun death rate.
>>689811812
mass shooting only happen in gun free zones fucktard. BAN GUN FREE ZONES
