This man orchestrated the worst act of domestic terrorism on US soil since Columbine and the worst mass shooting ever.
He was on two FBI person of interest lists.
Had a known history of violence and disorders
Frequently voiced support for terrorist organizations
Expected to have had bipolar disorder.
Yet he was able to purchase an AR-15 assault rifle with high-powered ammunition. Legally.
>ITT gun nuts try and defend their idiotic and flawed laws.
>MUH GUNS!!
>>689541289
so your against this guy ? and think gun's should be banned ?
>Fucking cuck faggot
>>689541289
Removing guns won't fix gun violence it will just make the good people not have guns anymore.
He didnt even beat cho's highscore what a faggot
>>689541620
Egads. Was that a try?
I remember when /b/ wasn't full of SJW liberal cuck fags.
In the last year or so this site has become such a god damn "safe space."
>>689541289
"high powered ammunition"
As opposed to what faggot? Low powered ammunition? Get out of here you cuck.
>>689541881
one guy makes a thread against Omar
"UGH so many liberal cucks"
go cry somewhere else, please.
>>689541289
FBI fucked up, plus he had a security license.
Here in Australia, even with our ludicrously tough laws, with that license he could walk around with a pistol on his hip, no problem - there is no country on Earth where he couldn't of done this.
>Yet he was able to purchase an AR-15 assault rifle with high-powered ammunition. Legally.
First I've heard of him getting an assault rifle - where the fuck did he dig up 25K?
And what sort of AR was he using that accepted full power ammunition? Did he have an AR-10?
>>689541289
I'm not a gun nut; I don't even own a firearm.
But I don't think any "gun nuts" are arguing this guy should have been sold a firearm.
In fact, I've never heard anyone argue that severely mentally ill persons should have access to guns.
>>689541672
No one wants to remove guns. They just want to enforce rules, regulations and laws. No one should have an AR-15 but SWAT.
Inb4 second amendment, google amendment.
Stop being so Ignorant and paranoid.
Fuck it, what do I know though to be honest. I'm from a country that doesn't have the dangerous criminals America has.
>>689542244
Well, he was actually using low powered ammunition, some one confirmed it was .223/5.56, which means he was using a low power varmint cartridge instead of a full power round (.308 or .30-06 for example.)
>>689542270
Lol one thread? God lurk more
>>689542388
>No one should have an AR-15 but SWAT.
Why?
What makes the AR-15 more deadly than a Mini 14, M14, Tavor, AUG, etc?
It's against my liberty not to be able to construct ICBMs and use them to defend myself from a government I find to be disagreeable.
>>689541289So apparently he was a heterosexually-married gay muslim democrat who was also a racist, homophobic, wife-beating, legal gun owning, ISIS/Al Qaeda/Hezbollah supporter, who dreamed of being in the NYPD. You can't make this shit up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639961/Orlando-terrorist-went-gay-club-Pulse-dozen-times-got-drunk-belligerent-talked-wife-kid-massacring-49-people-there.html
>>689542464
Everything is an ak47 high powered assault rifle with a extended 30rs assault clip.
>>689542388
I could do more damage with thermite (which I could make from materials purchased legally at the Home Depot) than anyone could do with any gun.
>>689542464
Which was it? .223 or .556? They aren't the same cartridge idiot. Also, AR15's don't chamber or fire .308 or 30-06. That would be an AR10, which he didnt use.
This is the media buzzword horseshit that I hate. You can't just add "high-powered" to words to make it more scary.
>>689542796
aaaaand you're on a list
>>689542244
LOL you retard CUCK
>>689541289
Just read this morning that he had been hanging out at that club for years...
>I think he was gay and trying to deal. The entire ISIL angle is just a smokescreen.
This isn't about terrorism. It's about how to deal with being gay in a family/religion that does not acknowledge being gay.
>>689541289
An AR-15 is not an assault rifle, troll harder faggot
>>689541289
>high-powered ammunition
.223 / 556 is a medium round, you Mongoloid
>>689542784
Wtf is a assault clip?
>>689541289
Always a bad apple
Out of the millions of US residents, one whack job goes bananas, and the blame game begins.
>>689541289
I think it's a false flag. He was a closet gay who visited these clubs and told no-one. The government used him as a scapegoat.. he was perfect for it.
The timing couldn't be better for a muslim man to shoot the hell out of a lot of gays. It furthers the govs agenda a little more each time.
Gun control.
Gay rights.
Anti-Muslim sentiment.
It's all about Divide and Conquer.
Either no-one was killed (it's easier to pull this off than you think), or agents of the government did the slaughtering. Either way, an innocent man is thrown under the bus for the New World Order.
Well since you have no problem with a person being investigated by the FBI running for President you should STFU/
>>689542351
>doesn't own a firearm
>love hearing his wife get pounded by Tyrone
>>689542784
You literally sound like an idiot, do everyone a favor and stop talking about guns. You have no idea what you talking about.
>>689542905
>Which was it? .223 or .556?
Either or, there have been numerous reports on both cartridges, and as 5.56 is derived from .223 I can imagine media outlets get confused.
>Also, AR15's don't chamber or fire .308 or 30-06. That would be an AR10, which he didnt use.
Kek, your new is showing.
Modern "AR-10" rifles are just upscaled AR-15s - there's a decided difference between actual AR-10 rifles and modern equivalents.
>This is the media buzzword horseshit that I hate. You can't just add "high-powered" to words to make it more scary.
Well no shit, which I was pointing out.
>>689541820
> Egads. Was that a try?
> Egads
Are you just six years old, or have the penis of a six year old. I'm not even the guy you responded to, but I see "egads" with unnecessary punctuation and I just needed to tell you, kill yourself.
>>689541289
And if the FBI hadn't been forced to kowtow to Islam they might've done their job and actually caused the existing laws to be enforced. This proves two things, one, gun laws won't work if they aren't enforced, two, antigun people don't know about existing gun laws. There are laws in place that would've prevented the legal purchase of guns. Oh, and the ammo he was using was essentially rodent gradex and an AR15 is military grade in appearance alone.
The man was the problem, not the guns.
Deal with it.
>>689541289
Not to nit pick but it isn't actually the worst mass shooting ever, Anders behring breivik and Woo bum kon both did more.
He held an active firearms license and an armed security guard license. Used to work at a prison and then was working as a security guard. ofc he could get an AR-15 and ammo legally.
>>689543314
Actually making fun of kevin de leon and the 30 magazine clip in half a second
Egads!
>>689541289
Well anon that is because the FBI and other governmental agencies have their hands tied by all the liberals.
Imagine if they had arrested him prior to the shooting.
No amount of evidence they put out would quell the rage of the SJWs for what they would call "discrimination and profiling".
>>689541289
I think what you don't realize is despite all the laws that are supposed to stop a man like this from legally owning a gun he got one anyway. So yea you're right the only solution is more laws and more bureaucracy to make sure it doesn't work even more in the future. Or ya know maybe if literally one person in that nightclub had something to defends themselves with it would have been over a lot sooner. You don't want the responsibility for saving yourself because you are a literal child.
>>689542608
It's clearly not a hunting rifle. It was designed to stop/kill people.
>Fuck it, what do I know though to be honest. I'm from a country that doesn't have the dangerous criminals America has.
I said the above for a reason. Gun owners where I live own guns solely for hunting. Rifles are usually 22's, 303's or 308's for Deer hunters. Duck hunters will usually use over-under double barrel shotguns. Pheasant hunters are usually our only hunters to use pump actions.
For pigs they use dogs and knives.
Our criminals have guns but rarely use them. The use them on opposition gangs and gangland shootings or to rob stores, pubs, bookies, banks, rarely with a shot fired.
>>689542388
Swat doesn't use the AR platform rifles ordinary citizens buy. They use actual assault weapons. The AR platform rifle is no different from the old Wood stock semiauto rifles our grandpappys used. One pull of the trigger, one bullet comes out. The only difference is that they are made of plastic and designed to look like an assault weapon. It's like getting a plastic body kit of a high end sports car and slapping it on a Chevy S10 frame. It may look like the real deal, but it doesn't perform like it. Other than that, the .223/5.56 isn't even a powerful round, very small bullets. The main reason the military/swat uses them is because the rifles are reliable, customizable, light weight, have a very light recoil, and since the rounds are small you can carry more ammo. However the civilian models are not, and never will be assault rifles.
guns are not the problem
the problem is islam.
if you think guns are the problem you are delusional.
>>689543655“This is a ghost gun,” de Leon begins, holding an unloaded rifle in his hands. “This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second.”
>>689543190
Kill yourself now..you could use an AR15 and say the government did it..it would be perfect
>>689543190
I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight
I would love to watch them put a ban on firearms. Gun ownership skyrocketed when Obama got elected because of that fact. So many people and militia are waiting for the government to give them the right reason to revolt. You think they're going to walk up and throw their gun(s) in a bin willingly?
>>689541881
Lmao this faggot. Go back to plebbit
>>689544037
His point was that a Mini 14 is identical in performance to an AR15 for all intents and purposes. So what makes the AR15 an assault rifle and the Mini 14 a hunting rifle?
Yeah man we really need to make more laws so these outlaw criminals follow them hurrr durr how do i breathe im so fucking retarded. Also shooting didnt happen. False flag.
>>689541289
ITT: gun nuts gettin their chain yanked
guys, remember about arguing over the internet
>>689541289
>the worst mass shooting ever
forgot about wounded knee you millenial faggot
>>689544443
one off... gaddam man
>>689541289
you just know that there is a percentage of America fuming that a foreigner as got the record
>>689541289
not even a gun nut but your shit at this
>>689544443
nevar forget
>>689544037
>It's clearly not a hunting rifle. It was designed to stop/kill people.
But it fires a hunting cartridge.
AR pattern rifles are some of the most popular hunting rifles - they're tough, they're reliable, they fire a decent varmint cartridge and they're very ergonomic.
>I said the above for a reason. Gun owners where I live own guns solely for hunting. Rifles are usually 22's, 303's or 308's for Deer hunters. Duck hunters will usually use over-under double barrel shotguns. Pheasant hunters are usually our only hunters to use pump actions.
That would be because of the restrictions, not because of the function.
>For pigs they use dogs and knives.
Now, I've hunted boar, you do not do that with knives unless you want to be dead.
You use a decent size cartridge and take a backup gun with you to finish the animal off to ensure minimal suffering - most backup guns tend to be an intermediate cartridge gun (like the AR-15).
>Our criminals have guns but rarely use them. The use them on opposition gangs and gangland shootings or to rob stores, pubs, bookies, banks, rarely with a shot fired.
Well, here in Australia, our criminals manufacture machine guns with no issues - there are nightly drive by shootings and murders despite our tough regulations.
>>689544194
Funny how the more you know, the more people think you're a nutter. Why are you so naive, and proud of it?
America is weird. Not only is there proof your government has done this, they admit it.
>>689541289
Everything would have been fine if he was not high on cock, like OP.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/14/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-a-regular-at-nightclub
>>689542351
yea but they gain access before they get mentally ill. thats the thing, you dont know. and if he was on a watch list dont blame the guns blame the feds
>>689544622
>your
*you're
Drop the dicks fags and pick up a gun and go outside and put something in a field and shoot at it and tell me it wasn't fun wtf
>>689541620
>Your
>Gun's
Lowtier b8
>>689544443
Injuns are barely people though.
>>689544225
God I would love to see an American revolt. It would last all of 6 hours before they remember Dancing with the Stars is on tonight and they'll all go home to eat their hungry man and forget about the movement.
>>689544759
injuns are more people than faggots and querosexuals
>>689541289
the only reason he was able to acquire the weapons is because he worked for a security company and had special permits and allowances that permitted to buy a weapon despite his history
ITT:
'Muricans thinking guns make you free.
'Muricans being fat
'Muricans saying they NEED guns
'Muricans not realising that if the constitution was written with modern context, it'd have not let the citizens have automatic weapons without a stupid amount of regulation
'Muricans not knowing every other country in the world doesn't have gun problems like them and thinking that everyone else is the odd one out.
'Muricans using M/D/Y, ft and inches, being backwards as fuck
>>689544443
hipster faggot
>>689544874
bitch please, faggots would be all for gun rights if all guns looked like this
>>689544443
That situation wasn't really a mass shooting, your two left wings are showing.
>>689541289
The rifle wasnt an AR-15, faggot, it was a Sig Sauer MCX Carbine
Completely different, and incompatible, rifles.
>>689544724
Calm down dude, I was just busting your balls. No need to act all high and mighty with your YouTube conspiracy crash course education.
>>689541289
Angry Closet faggot
>>689545060
your mad your wrong, its ok
>>689544849
I'll definitely give you that. Injuns can fucking party.
>>689544873
Please explain how you devoloped a psychic link to the founders of the United states, we should all be so fortunate.
>>689541289
and if chimps like you weren't afraid of guns someone could have filled this faggot with lead
This kid makes shotguns out of damn pipes. The one in the video is a semi-auto. https://youtu.be/X2m7cnBOakI
>>689545110
Calm down? What?
YouTube? Oh ffs anon.
>>689541289
>ar 15
Nope
EVEN IF CRAZY PEOPLE HAVE GUNS THEY WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HERE ABOUT FAGGETS ALL DAY LONG EVERY FUCKING DAY IF ALL THE STUPID FAGS WOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BUTT FUCK BEHIND CLOSED DOORS INSTEAD PUSHING IT IN YOUR FACE SHIT LIKE WOULD HAPPEN
>>689545391
Yes thank you
>>689541289
staging more gun-grab dialogue
nice try, Obummer
>>689545391
You've solved gun violence in America! Everyone needs MOAR guns! It'll be like the wild west!
>>689541289
http://efukt.com/21371_Homo_Attempts_Straight_Porn.html
there is no cure for gay people, and i'm ok with that.
You guys ever thought about actually finding a solution to your problems instead of arguing the two most simplest points that your tiny little minds can cling to?...Well for those who think guns should be banned...how do people illegally acquire guns every day, every hour, when technically its illegal and banned for them to do so?...and how would banning them to everyone make that any different. Compare that logic to drugs, which are banned more or less across the U.S, and yet every single minute someone is smoking meth and shooting up dope. Those who say guns should have less restriction or stay the same, well you still have a problem of solving people's psychological problems. Unfortunately that stems from a decaying society brought on by a very poor system. The system itself as a whole must be looked at is the point you ignoramuses, not just one tiny little law of thousands of laws. Again, I know your brains are incapable of looking beyond a very small scope, but try it some day. You might be surprised what else you can accomplish in your life
>>689544873
>'Muricans not realising that if the constitution was written with modern context, it'd have not let the citizens have automatic weapons without a stupid amount of regulation
The entire point was that civilians had the same power as the government.
Look back to the revolutionary war - the government didn't have the cannons or the ships, private holders did.
If we went back to the way things were then, missiles and tanks would be owned and operated by civilians and the military would only be a bunch of guys with rifles.
To maintain the "point" of the amendment, citizens need equal individual force compared to the government, to keep the government in check.
And before you say that's not necessary, read up on the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, the ethnic cleansing of Ireland, the purges of Stalinist Russia, Mao's Great Leap Forward, Pol Pot, etc.
The only reason it could happen, was because people couldn't defend themselves and before you say "that could never happen here", just remember it wasn't so long ago that the government was literally using the NG and air strikes to kill black people.
Get off of your Ivory Tower and empathise with people who are not as comfy as you.
>>689541289
>>689541289
>be against guns
>also be against invigilation and nsa which could stop all those attack cus muh liberty
Kill urself leftist faggot
>>689544873
very true, lets take france for instance, gun crimes are unheard of, and in Belgium no guns there, and there isnt a shooting atleast once a week in London or even Manchester, ye there is no problem over here in Europe with guns at all
>>689542905
High powered kidney stones.
>>689545646
If you believe that it will be like an unregulated time with no buddy to respond to violence and this is your argument for gun control I feel confident you will not succeed
>>689541289
50 unarmed people attacking this guy together could have stopped the entire thing. 5 unarmed people could do it if they had any coordination at all. Instead, because they were AFRAID, many people cowered until he found and executed them.
This is what happens when you entrust the right to self defense to authorities. Arming the people and teaching them to respect and use weapons is a sane and rational choice in the face of violence that the government -cannot- protect you from, no matter how much of a coward you are and how many rights you give up. Your life is your own responsibility.
I'm an ancom, fwiw.
Learn to protect youraelf, idiot.
>>689545391
>give everyone guns! that'll solve the problem of gun violence! then nobody will be unarmed, and all murders will be justified!
>>689545165
No I'm not, but it's ok, go back to sucking Hillary Clinton's dick
>>689545391
What the fuck do you mean? There was a armed security guard at the club. He returned fire at the shooter. Even when other guns are present it doesn't do shit. These people almost always kill themselves they're not afraid of dying
>>689544805
I'm not sure where you're from but I'm in backwards no-where. The local militia has a couple tanks, a compound with guard towers, and owns three local gun stores. I doubt they're going to be worried about what is on tv.
>>689545375
Because anyone wise enough to draw up a constitution which was able to start a country wouldn't be stupid enough to allow its citizenry to have automatic weapons.
It's pretty obvious really. It's why the rest of the world doesn't allow it - because there's always idiots about who can't be trusted with things and you have to build your society around them. That's why there are seatbelts in cars/set measurements for ballistrade spacings/speed limits/multiple other examples.
>>689545826
No I sincerely believe everyone should carry a gun on them at all times so anyone can shoot anyone who gets out of line at any time.
>>689545858
Honestly this. If the club was so packed, how come it was only the bouncer that tried to stop him?
>>689545895
Nah instead let's give up our weapons and let the government and criminals dictate our lives. INB4 gun laws prevent criminals from getting guns, last I heard criminals don't give a fuck about the law.
If the fags had guns they could shoot back but no
>liberals want to take Muslims that we're NEVER proved to have committed a crime in a court of law, NEVER institutionalized, NEVER legally proven to do anything wrong, and take away their rights simply because they're "those kinds of people" according to COPS
>liberals want to suspend habeus corpus to punish minorities because their group are "problems"
Wow, liberals sure have changed. What about all the good Muslims
So many shill cucks in this failure of a thread CUCKS
>>689542388
We have guns so if need be, we can over throw our government. Mexico would, but guess what, they have strict gun laws and are only allowed certain ammo. It sucks crazy people can get guns, but it's better than a tyrannical government over powering it's people by not giving them the ability to fight back.
>>689542351
Can you even say what you mean by 'mentally ill'?
Do you know anything about the history of psychiatry?
>>689541289
That country has had one mass shooting every day on average for the last 900 days and is about to either elect a loser retard or the wife of a former leader as their leader - why do you even care? They are on their way out.
>>689546116
Sorry to ruin your summer. Dont worry the raid threads will be back soon
>>689543240
If the only think stopping your wife to get pounded by a nigger is the gun you own you have more serious problems.
Hey I know..why don't we all give up our guns..then people who get them illegally anyway will still have them...and then the government can really act upon the PATRIOT ACT which everyone forgot about, and start deeming its own U.S citizens terrorists, one by one by one, and go door to door collecting illegal fire arms and whatever else they decide to ban at the moment or steal from you. Lets lay down the one true defense we have against a corrupted government, violence and revolution. Very smart guys. Watch some more tv and watch your little scripted out reality tv news
>>689545941
One man had a gun out of more than 50 and you claim that because he couldn't land his target in such mayhem that guns are ineffective for protection then you're a creetent who deserves to be in a situation where you are being fired upon but have no weapon to protect your self... Ide love to hear you after that.
>>689541289
And where are all the civil that carry guns? Why they didn't stop him?
Oh right, Murilard people IS dumb as fuck. Gays deserved that killing spree, especially muricans
Sage btw. I am voting Trump bc the real problem is those fucking illegals.
>>689545727
So why haven't you got a nuke in your closet then? Oh that's right, because you can't - thus your argument is void.
You won't win against your army, and if you think you can, you're seriously idiotic. You're dead if they want you dead.
>>689542388
Why should SWAT have them? Fuck them.
The fact that SWAT has them is literally why we are encouraged to also have them. Gun ownership was never about killing black people with impunity.
>>689546108
BUT MAH MUDSLIMES
>>689545941
If the guy really was a regular he would have known to shot the security guard first
>>689546416
>gun free zone
Check your b8
>>689545900
nice dubs, cant vote tho
>>689542351
So how do you propose we reliably find all mentally ill people in America so that we can not sell them guns?
>>689545793
Shootings in London and Manchester every week?
Can I have a source on this week's shooting?
>>689546451
If you think an army that nukes its own land is victorious then that's idiotic. Just like criminals if you ban guns then they will just pick up knifes... you're dead if they want you dead...
>>689542796
Yeah, good luck throwing a thermite bomb at someone while they put 10 bullets in you in just a few seconds.
>>689546175
No need for your government to kill you, you guys like to shoot yourselves
>>689542649
Well, yes, that would be pretty sensible if police were laughing icbms into your city.
They aren't though, but I bet they kill plenty of kids, and that's why your analogy is bullshit.
>>689546451
Yes good goyium, the government is all powerful. You cant beat them, dont try because you cant. Good good, please come watch the new star wars, and eat the new carls jr 2 pound bacon xplosion burger available for a limited time. Buy one now and get a free collectors glass.
>>689541289
I don't know what you cucks want. A total ban doesn't work and full on unrestricted gun ownership is stupid. You idiots just ask for the same things over and over again cause you think all issues are black and white and applies to all scenarios. Just cause you feel a certain way, doesn't mean it 's right. Both pro gun and anti gun people are fucking idiots.
>>689546543
Stricter qualifications and possibly background checks before the distribution of firearms.
say 'yeah thats right'
Just kidding guys. Guns are horrible. I just like enticing all sides. Guns should be banned. Your government has never lied to you. I mean, its been proven again and again that our government has lied, but its not true. With a pattern of lies you can only assume by mathematical probability and logic that literally every thing said by the group that has proven itself to lie again and again, well to of course be yet again another lie and the exact opposite of what they are saying. This means, for those of you who don't follow, that when you are told something by an authority that has a pattern proof of lies, then if they tell you something the agenda behind it is the exact opposite and does not benefit you. But I'm just kidding, the government loves you and wants your best interest at all times. Fast food, casinos, billion dollar corporations running your lives, you know- best interests
>>689541289
>one of the worst shootings in history
>happened in a "gun-free zone"
wat do? bitch and complain until the sheeple are ready for the wolves
This weird fantasy that people have about overthrowing the government using guns is so misguided. I can't ever imagine a scenario where A) that would be necessary and B) that would even fuckin work. They have tanks!
>>689546543
>So how do you propose we reliably find all mentally ill people in America so that we can not sell them guns?
Look for the "Trump 2016" t shirts?
>>689546451
>So why haven't you got a nuke in your closet then? Oh that's right, because you can't - thus your argument is void.
Great reading comprehension mate, 10/10.
>You won't win against your army, and if you think you can, you're seriously idiotic. You're dead if they want you dead.
One man is dead.
Ten men will die.
A hundred will survive.
A thousand will fight.
A million will kill.
300 Million will win.
Why do you think the Blank Panthers existed for so long and had so much impact?
They were just a bunch of negroes with guns, no tanks, no mortars, no rank, no aircraft - but they survived, they persevered, because they were too big to kill.
>>689546175
>Overthrow our Government
The most powerful country in the world with the most technologically advanced weapons is going to be overthrown by the civilians?
Shit man, you guys need to split your country into 5 major regions and have your own governing bodies.
He was a fucking HERO.
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>>689546689
It's a lot harder to kill 50 people in a nightclub with a knife or a bunch of kids in a school
orlando shooting was a
FALSE
L
A
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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=40184
prove me wrong
protip: you cant
>inb4 tinfoil hat
>>689543621
Fuck tha Muslim, gay, self loathing po-lice!
>>689546979
Well we have had our asses handed to us buy some rice farmers and goat herders so...
>>689541881
> I remember when
No you don't, you've been here for under a year.
>>689546990
Yea he was and his prophet is the pedophile Muhammad
>>689546979
See
>>689546785
It's not like the government would be toppled in a day, but it could not fight its own citizens and its own army for long.
The Oklahoma City bombing caused way more casualties than Orlando. Not one shot was fired by Timothy mcveigh. He killed over 100 people using nothing more than store bought fertilizer and racing fuel. Banning AR-15's won't do anything. If some twisted fuck decides to waste a bunch of people there's infinite ways to achieve that goal. Some of the ways that produce the highest body count don't require any sort of firearm.
>>689547039
Knifes, explosives, cars, you're pulling at hairs which makes me feel victorious
>>689546990
ooh the edge
lemme guess youre 16 and think filthy frank is the pinnacle of comedy?
>>689546689
The data shows that they use non-firearm tactics significantly less.
Like to the guy who said he'd make a thermite bomb.. People tend not to do that. Yeah you could bomb/bat/knife a nightclubs worth of people but people flat out just don't do that very much.
>>689547081
Tinfoil hat
>>689544443
The oldest oldfag
>>689541289
He shot up a gay bar. Who gives a fuck?
>>689546920
The black panthers survived because the government wanted them to. They further the divide and conquer strategy.
Fucks sake.
I'm more surprised that there isn't more focus on religious extreamists hating the gays.
He's a Muslim, so of course the religioius christian right will hate him and everything he stands for.
But he attack the gays.
But he's muslim.
So they probably just sit there quietly with their internal conflict. Even though they should publicly condemn him and his actions and state that killing gay people is wrong.
>>689544571
Look around. Here it is.
>>689546345
Okay, were in a crowded club. Terrorist walks in and starts shooting people. You pull out your trusty gun and return fire. Maybe you miss and kill an innocent or two or even just wound some. I get up from the bar and pull my weapon and shoot both of you because from my perspective your both active shooters. Does this sound like a plausible situation to you? Yes or no? Just curious
>>689541289
He was also a closet faggot.
>>689547314
Cough Bostin cough, 9-11 coughcough two of the biggest attacks in American history, not one gun was involved.
>>689542298
>>25K?
An AR15 should cost no more than $900
>>689541289
>ITT gun grabbers try and defend their idiotic attacks on the 2nd amendment
>MUH SHOOTINGS
B-but I need guns for
>muh defense
I need guns for
>muh sport
H-how else am I supposed to stop Tyrone from fucking my wife?
I got pushed around in high school, but I could win every fight now cause no one can push me when I'm carrying
>muh guns
We needs guns to fight
>muh government and SWAT
You're all just cucks and nigger lovers and shills trying to take away our guns! WHY DON'T YOU OWN A GUN YET?
>>689545110
>Because I'm not personally harmed by a thing, it doesn't happen
>>689547440
No
Because you will notice who is the Muslim or the faggot with rainbow clothes
>>689547399
Cringe, this has nothing to do with Christians but neck beards like you are super eager to make it about it.... pathetic get a life and quit thinking about gods people in such a negative light.
>>689544087
>>689544087
I get you now. I assumed it was was the same AR-15 SWAT used for the North Hollywood Shootout. I didn't realise they made different models.
So essentially it's an H2 Hummer for the nut who want's a hummer like the army?
>>689547440
Not really. Because chances are you would have seen me at the bar, you would know who the active threat is. People usually take classes before carrying a weapon, it isnt like you think it is.
>>689541289
so this is how the FBI keep you safe? lmao look at all that freedom
He was definitely using .223 on a pretty basic AR-15. I just want to know where he kept all of the ammunition. He supposedly shot "thousands" of rounds. That's heavy as fuck and there's no possible tactical vest, gear, setup that can support that. We know the amount of people who were shot and killed in "under 7 minutes" but it takes time to reload and line people up. Something just doesn't add up. There were either more people helping him or someone stretched the truth.
>>689541289
more like a retarded liberal OP.
>>689547569
>Assault rifle.
Go try and buy a transferable automatic AR-15 in decent condition.
And if it was a full power or "high power" cartridge, try and find the price of a full auto AR-10.
>>689541289
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/High_Score
Get your facts straight
Found this on the interwebs..
>>689546903
Gb 2 reddit fag
>>689547796
>what is 300 blackout
>>689547753
Lol The FBI with all their guns would protect you from a similar situation right? Oh wait they're 10 minutes late.
>>689541289
Haha did you just say "high powered ammunition" and "assault rifle"?
This isn't even an automatic and you're calling it an assault rifle based on how it fucking looks cosmetically. Lots of .22 caliber rifles can hold a good handful of ammo and can be fired multiple times - does that make it an assault rifle?
And "high powered ammunition"? Holy fucking shit, Liberals are now calling ammunition from Ar-15 platforms "high powered"?!
>>689542388
>>689542464
>>689542796
>>689544873
>>689545941
>>689546068
>>689546014
>>689546484
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>>689547851
Yeah the math didnt add up
The north Hollywood shootout had illegally modified fully automatic AK-47's not AR-15's
>>689541672
>Removing guns won't fix gun violence it will just make the good people not have guns anymore.
This is the biggest bullshit argument ever. What is "a good guy" in the first place. A non-felon? He was one. So was he a good guy?
The US kills people, guilty and innocent, around the world to "stop terrism" but lets them buy their shit legally within their own country.
Removing guns from civilian hand will reduce the violence. It will it also make harder for criminals to acquire guns illegally.
>>689542659
being gay is what lead to all this.
i wish he was still alife, then everyone would know he is gay and he'd slowly die of muslim gay shame
>>689547915
Expensive M39.
But to be serious, it's still just an intermediate cartridge, full power is REAL FUCK'N NATO and up.
>>689547992
Good one m8,
>>689547258
Knives - used generally for something else
explosives - made from ingredients for something else
cars - made for driving
.
..
...
Guns - made for killing.
I know there's a lot of stupid fucking american's on this thread and I feel sorry for the world that you guys don't know anything about how the rest of the world and that you guys have the power to vote (or will do when you get slightly older - as you all sound like edgy 13 year olds). I say this as a member of the 150+ other countries in the world who look at America and just shake our heads at your downright stupidity.
It's a shame because most of my American friends love their homeland. I love the US too and have been several times but I'd never want to live there because it's filled with these backward and child-like rationale on gun laws and medical treatment.
>>689544730
Do you know what actually makes me, a mental I'll person, want to kill lots of people?
Being infantilized, scapegoated for American indolence, and told that I'm inherently violent. I'm quite happy to prove people right if I'm going to get judged that way anyway.
Think about it.
>>689541737
so 32>49?
Anders killed 77. Americans can't even mass shooting right.
>>689547697
>this has nothing to do with Christian
It has everything to do with religious extremism.
I don't think the distinction between Christianity and Islam really matters. Moderate, SANE, religious people? They're cool. Christians and Muslims alike.
ONE WORD. POLEMICISM.
NEWS MEDIA ARE POLEMIC ARTISTS. PEOPLE ARE POLEMIC.
THE ONLY WAY TO STOP GUN VIOLENCE IS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.
>>689541672
Yes it will. Statistics proves that the amounts of mass shootings are reduced when there are restrictions on gun ownership. I like guns, but I'm not an idiot.
>>689548081
Look at every place where they banned guns, stabbings and other murders sky rocketed, get a life.
Wow, lots of you SJW'S out today. Who's paying you to troll this shit hole? Oh also, this isn't facebook. Go fuck yourself.
>>689541289
>high powered ammo
Which is what exactly?
>>689541881
>cuck fags
The main problem are not the guns, the fucking problem is he is a muslim sandnigger. Why was he in America? This country don't have any proud and intelligence..
> a Muslim walks into a gay bar
> bartender asks "what will you have?"
> "shots for everyone!"
of course none of the fags had guns to shoot back with. their illegal to carry (even with a CCW permit) in that type of establishment.
>Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose. (Unfortunately, this law is ambiguous and appears to be subject to interpretation with regard to restaurants with bars or other places licensed to serve alcohol which serve other purposes such as casinos and other places of entertainment. We have researched this issue including contacting the concealed weapons division of the Florida Department of Agriculture and have received this response. While this letter and its opinion are not authoritative, the general sense is that concealed weapons may be legally carried by a CWFL holder into a business that serves alcohol but not as a primary business, however a concealed weapons carrier should stay out of portions of that business where the service of alcohol is the primary function, i.e., the bar area of a restaurant.)
>>689542608
Civilians shouldn't have those guns either.
>>689548167
Guns are made of metal... that's generally used for building, the bullets compose sulfur and kno3/fertilizer, and the sites contain glass made for windows... your point?
>>689548386
>This country don't have any proud
holy kek
>>689547139
Better yet
Es un terrorista ? O que es ?
>>689548040
it does when you account for the fact that swat bear clawd a wall down and obliterated it recklessly with gunfire killing civilians in the wake
>>689548464
you shouldnt have an internet connection, but you do..... whats youre pointq
>>689548476
Wow, shit reply is shit. Try again and come back to me
>>689548320
>Look at every place where they banned guns, stabbings and other murders sky rocketed, get a life.
Bullshit. The question is also what happened to the overall number of violent crimes and what effect did it have in the long run.
And don't bother posting the graph of Britain.
>>689547440
Yes
If I was sitting at bar and bullets were whizzing past me I'd quickdraw on both of them if neither were in uniform.
>>689541289
It's a sad thing, all this killing. But it's only through acts like these that the government and society will understand that gun laws shouls be more strict.
thank god I live in a country where guns are hard to come by. I'd be paranoid living in America.
>>689544713
Mass shootings have been greatly reduced in Australia after you got more restrictions.
Serious question, is 223 ammo considered high compared to 22 cal. Or is it the rounds actual bullet upon impact that makes it worse, such as a hollow point?
>>689548649
You're a child who doesn't realize every item I listed is used for murders everyday, now go get back to your marked up chair and explain how people who actually go outside shouldn't be able to protect them selves.
>>689548310
Worked really well in Paris and Brussels, didn't it?
>>689548572
I wonder how many investigators will be looking into police caused casualties. Because, you know, they got the bad guy.
>>689548572
Hopefully that comes to light
>>689548680
suck moar cawk
>>689548572
source?
DAE remember that thread that warned of a large Muslim attack that would lead to loss of freedoms? I can't find it, but they may have been right.
>>689545895
Hide in a corner while someone leisurely executes you. Tell em that they aren't allowed to do so. Make sure they know the cops are on the way and theyll be punished.
Really. Give it a try.
Get back to me.
>>689548680
I can link you videos 1000's of them but swine like you don't deserve more than what i just gave you in this text.
>>689548780
both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopping_power
>>689547522
Two very tragic yet very uncommon occurrences. Mass shootings are common af
>>689541289
>bitching
>compaining
>tfw it happened because OP touches himself to pony porn
>>689548808
No shit sherlock - guess what, all the other things are designed for something else. A gun is not. Fucking hell, are you some sort of simpleton?
My god, look at France, a country with some of the strictest gun laws, and they had 2 terrorist attacks within 2-3 months in which over 150 people were killed, one with guns. Terrorists and murderers gonna murder and terrorize, most logical thing to do is to defend yourself.
Those who desire to give up freedoms in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
Now go jump off a cliff you liberal faggot.
>>689549108
someone buy this man a beer
>>689548831
>Worked really well in Paris and Brussels, didn't it?
What mass shooting happened in Brussels? Do you actually think about what you post or do you just throw in random shit like someone with tourette's.
>>689545646
That would be great
>>689549108
>THIS
>>689549077
Lol it doesnt happen often so it wont be used to replace what gets banned... great argument
>>689548766
Mass shootings but not massacres.
In the 20 years prior to PA, there were 10 massacres - in the 20 years since there has been another 10 massacres.
Anyone who ants a gun can get one no problem - a 15 year old pledged to ISIS shot a cop with an illegally imported handgun.
Monis conducted the Sydney Siege with an illegally purchased shotgun.
Neither of them were people of note or means and they secured access to firearms with no issue.
Bikie gangs make machine guns by the dozen.
There are millions of unregistered firearms in circulation.
It hasn't worked for us.
>>689548081
Timothy McVey is a great example of what happens in the midst of a gun ban. During the Clinton administration gun ban (during which violent crime increased btw) Timothy McVey couldnt purchase a weapon to commit his act of violence. So he rented a van, filled it with fertilizer and diesel fuel and used it to level an entire city block in Oklahoma. A gun is easy and personal but a devastating bomb can be made with about $50 worth of shit from a hardware store. Examples from other countries have proven that, yes, while a gun ban lowers GUN VIOLENCE that violent crime on the whole remains static and constant. It's almost as if crazy people are going to be crazy and hurt themselves or others regardless of the tools they've been given to do so. A gun ban certainly didn't help the people of Paris. Literally every bit of research has shown that as private firearms sales increase in America that crime in all forms is declining, except in cities that ban guns. Crime is an act of desperation and cowardice. Criminals don't attack those who can defend themselves.
>>689549154
no gun dealer (without a deathwish) would risk their FFL by aiding and abetting a criminal
try harder libtard
>>689546014
You are projecting your own assumptions onto reality.
>Because I believe this to be true, everyone else is an idiot. It's so OBVIOUS!
I don't know if you're even a person. You sound like a robot made up of random echo chamber self indulgence.
DON'T EVER TALK TO ME OR MY WIFE'S ASSAULT RIFLE EVER AGAIN
>>689549108
>muh freedoms
Worked in Orlando, right fags?
i found on facebook the ghost of omar Mateen check it out
>>689548910
>Russia
>Mexico
>Brazil
>USA
>Developed Countries
löl
>>689549108
Okay bud, how do we stop mass shootings?
>>689548951
It was a few days off if you are talking about the guy in the time loop
>>689548910
>Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Estonia, Turkey
>Developed
>>689549154
Because we all know politicians and men in power are super stand up angels, they arent human thus they don't make human mistakes.
>>689549405
protip: you dont. you just work to help reduce the number of crazy fucks
>reopen the asylums
>>689548936
I saw in a youtube video it was the wall against the bathrooms and closet area the ripped 4 big holes in it and then shot all over the wall I mean not even close to the holes in a majority of the shots total blunder and will definitely not be talked about much I typed Orlando shooting multiple shooters, a vid with a bearded kid with his shirt off , he shows the news report as its playing on his television and pauses on the pic of the back wall, I'd go grab u the link but mobile about to die
>>689541289
He also was a IS supporter. You know these guys who shot 130+ in Paris, in a country with strict gun control.
>>689549319
Are you seriously trying to tell me that all knives are designed as a killing weapon? or all explosives? Or all cars? What the fuck? I've had better, more rational conversations with pond scum then you.
>>689549190
And those 8 event are everything that happened in the USA in 100 years? Amazing! Doesn't seem to be much going on over there.
>>689541289
WHERE ARE VIDEOS FROM THE INSIDE?
FUCK I CAME HERE TO FIND SOME.
>>689549405
You dont? People are going to kill, if it isnt a mass shooting it will be a bombing or anything else. The problem isnt the tools, it is the ideology or mentality these killers have.
>>689548680
>>689549346
Orlando has strict gun laws in which they forbid you to defend yourself in public. Notice these things don't happen in Arizona, which is a constitutional carry state. Before you bring up the Gifford shooting, bear in mind that was a Democrat Rally, would NEVER of happened at a mccain rally.
>>689549617
Head shot, well put /thread. I can rest now.
>>689549312
>no gun dealer (without a deathwish) would risk their FFL by aiding and abetting a criminal
>try harder libtard
That Orlando guy bought his guns legally. So yes, they do, cockmongler.
>>689549405
Protect yourself, fuckin simple.
>>689549602
>wall against the bathrooms and closet area the ripped 4 big holes in it
glory holes
>>689546543
More policing.
People really hate taking responsibility for themselves. It's way, way better for utilitarian calculus to police the peace and to have mass shootings anyway.
This is why I hate neoliberal utilitarians, of course. They won't actually admit that these 50 people would still be dead. They use non events like "but so many others didn't die" to stand in for events that actually HAPPEN
>>689549682
Damn dude I didnt even know it was this bad, so glad I don't live in the UK
It's not the guns, it's the Muslims. They are responsible for well over 50% of mass murder deaths in the U.S. since 2000.
>>689549602
>Orlando shooting multiple shooters
Found it. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgDmMhpcW8U
>>689549760
wow. implying white, blue collar working men are implicit in a mooselimb's failed attempt at martyrdom
wow you're some sort of special aren't ya
>>689546900
Do you know what has been happening in syria for five years?
>>689549926
>actually believing the goy masterplan
Oi vey
>>689549689
>Orlando has strict gun laws
How's that working in Orlando retard?
>>689549926
Lol here comes the "ITS DA CHRISTIANS I DON'T LIKE THEM SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE VIOLENT <--- what every neckbeard will say about that.
>>689549682
South Africa has less violent crime than the UK? Nigger, you have to be legally retarded to believe that.
>>689549817
lmao good catch
>>689549760
A guy who had all the licenses needed, worked as prison guard and was working as an armed security guard.
>>689544225
topkek. your governments the only thing keeping you safe. internal strife and all the jihadist sleepers will activate, just as osama said.
>>689549405
If a civilian had the legal ability to defend themselves in those situations the body count would not justify the term "mass". But when these things keep happening in places where guns aren't allowed then there's really nothing you can do as a law abiding gun owner isn't gonna risk his right to carry over a few beers. And banning anything isn't a solution.
>>689549987
A security gaurd returned fire. Could be what people are talking about.
>>689549689
>would of
So you're clearly a retard who should have his entire post put in the trash? Thanks for letting me know.
>>689541289
>AR-15 assault rifle
solid bait op gj
>>689542351
>In fact, I've never heard anyone argue that severely mentally ill persons should have access to guns.
And yet they do nothing to stop it and are unwilling to even discuss measures that might be successful. Instead they just say things like "murder is already illegal" and give up.
>>689550076
Are you disputing the death count by Muslims in the U.S. It is a fact. Look it up. Don't be upset about the truth.
>>689546979
You keep throwing bodies at it until you win. Worked for the Union in the civil war.
>>689549258
When we're talking a few orders of magnitude? Yeah. It is a good argument.
>>689549987
Yup that's it look at how bad they shot that fucking club up dude lol And that is the same side all the ppl were hiding
>>689549682
This was faked back in 2011.
Fucking idiot
>>689541289
He bought it illegally shitbird. Ima keep my fucking guns. Being armed is every mans right no matter what some cuck liberal or Europoor says.
>>689550266
I can't stand MUDLSIMES who follow a pedophile, I completely agree with you.
>>689541881
>I remember when /b/ wasn't full of SJW liberal cuck fags.
No, you remember reading screenshots of /b/
>>689542905
Also they pull arguments like this, getting hung up on the semantics of the gun types, cartridges, the definition of "assault" and so on, burying the argument in pointless details rather than trying to fix anything.
>>689547383
You're a jaded leftist? I'm actually curious. That sort of pessimism is pretty unique
>>689541289
NOONE CARES MURICA ! mfg you made it a common thing and now you are crying harder than ever...fucking pussies
>>689550279
If you think there's only been a couple attacks in the U.S. that don't involve guns then you're about a sharp as your argument.
>>689549961
>>689547440
4 dead people to 50?
Fine with me. I'll take that one for the team.
>>689550216
I didn't say would of that whole sentence.
