Britfags of /b/ will you be voting in the EU referendum and are you in or out?
I'm voting out.
lose-lose situation in my eyes so I won't vote at all.
>>688379160
voting out
>>688379160
out. better to try and swim from a sinking ship than to drown below decks
>>688379572
Then vote out mate, at least it will be more interesting that way
Out.
My biggest reason is the net loss the economy has over the cost of membership compared to what we get back.
>>688379160
This is gonna be interesting.
Im a swede, and I hope you stay.
I think most countries have more to gain than to loose from being in the EU. It's hard to quantify, but being inside the EU-market is a pretty huge deal financialy, and good for most countries (unless you are shit-tier greece who get the euro while your countries economy is fucked).
tl;dr
Stay in, but keep your pound.
Voting out because im not a muslim cuckold
I have £200000 in my bank account we are all going to lose money if retards like op get their way. Sterling will fluctuate like a brick in the sea. But then again most people voting out are both poor and stupid
I'm voting we dissolve the United Kingdom and form an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
>>688380242
>being this delusional
>>688380051
Seems the richer countries (Sweden, France, Germany etc...) are merely there to support the poorer countries (Greece, Spain etc.)
Doesn't look like a good deal
>>688380051
>Rape capital of europe
>stay in
>Eu is a good deal for most countries.
Leave this board and hang yourself you fucking cuck.
Voting out is way too risky so im just gonna vote to stay
>>688379160
come in France ! lets play football!
31/05/2016 - 07/06/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5BRNDhdFpA
I used to work in a kitchen cleaning dirty plates for 50 hours a week. It was a really shitty job but I worked there. All of the other workers were Spanish, Polish, Romanian etc. They had English people work before and they quit after 1 day, another one 2 days. English people don't want to be bent over a sink cleaning other peoples filth for 50 hours a week. They would rather be on the dole. The same for picking vegetables in fields and shit jobs like this; english people won't do them so who is going to do it if we leave the EU?
>>688380242
>£200,000 in bank account
>worrying about the price of the GBP
Bull. Shit.
Any sane person with that amount would invest it in something stable.
I'm not going to vote.
Never voted, probably never will.
I've never paid any attention to any politics so I wouldn't be able to make an informed decision. Everyone has a right fucking go at me for never voting... saying I should "spoil the vote" or just vote for anyone because it matters more than not voting? I've NEVER fucking understood that shit... how is it better to vote for just anyone or draw on the ballot card instead of not voting at all?! I honestly don't give a fuck so fuck it.
>>688380519
Why, because you have fallen victim to scaremongering?
Pathetic, grow a spine mate
>>688379942
I hear what you are saying, but alot of the benefits of being in the EU are kinda hard to measure.
also, there is the small question of peace.
The EU was founded after WW2 to promote peace in europe and it has worked. Before EU? Tons of war.
After EU? No wars. Granted we might have had zero wars without EU, but the truth is no EU country has been at war with another EU country, and if you look at our history of war in europe there have been ALOT.
Also, EU kinda promotes the same democratic ideals that the UN does (what with the human rights and all) and those are pretty swell. The brist will ofc adhre pretty good to them, but it is a fine instrument to use on less democraticly sound countries.
>>688380445
Spain isn't poor, they just keep their stolen jew gold well hidden.
>>688380242
most people voting remain are poorly educated.
The EU is undemocratic. Fuck your money I'm not being governed by some unelected socialist.
>>688380392
Yeah, stock markets love the total unpredictability of leaving the EU. This won't affect trade in any way. People will invest in this country without knowing what the fuck will happen. You're the delusional one, or maybe you just have not even one iota of comprehension for global economics. Fuckhead
>>688380666
Shit nigga. I'm a White British Male and I wash dishes for a living. It's one of the easiest, simplest, least stressful jobs there ever is. I find it so much easier than being assfucked at the Job Centre every week.
Dont know the ins and outs (pun intended) of the situation myself so i wont be voting. I dont want to decide other peoples futures if i dont even know what effects my decision will have. Can you people tell me what decision will have what effects?
>>688380790
The EU is not militarily linked in any way.
Folks, this is why morons shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>>688381069
>being this cucked
>>688380698
Sorry... Are you a chartered financial consultant or just an expert on /b/?
>>688380666
Do you think the EU came up with the idea of immigration?
If we have a shortage of unskilled workers we let them in. When we don't have a shortage we only let in skilled workers.
Use your fucking brain.
>>688380666
Immigrants doing the small jobs still means a much bigger overall population, which puts huge pressure on the budget for education, health and emergency services and so on.
The NHS is already stretched as it is, the smaller the population the better.
>>688380445
If you only look at the amount we give and get as in pure cash? Yeah the richer get a worse part of the deal. But if you factor in that you now have sweet sweet countries with lesser industrial strenghth to peddle your wares to? And just being inside the EU and having zero tolls and alot less costs for companies with transports, making deals over borders etc?
Those are hard to measure, but quite real.
>>688380510
Well put. I mean, it just oozes of political thoughts right here. So many well thought points and arguments.
>>688381249
Don't need to be an expert to know these things m8, sorry you're an idiot that needs to be spoonfed financial advice.
>>688381249
Not OP but I work in finance.
Having money just sitting in a bank account is almost as bad as having cash. At least buy some fucking bonds.
>>688381358
I hear the trade argument a lot as a reason to stay in, but honestly, trade won't stop because we're no longer in the EU. It's in everyone's best interest to continue as is, I feel a lot of the points made for this argument are merely scaremongering.
>>688381423
Tell us more about your rock solid financial investments. What stocks should I buy? Or are you just a 17-year-old neckbeard turd with 200 in your bank? Grow up you child
come in France ! lets play football! All is safe
31/05/2016 - 07/06/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5BRNDhdFpA
>>688380790
>EU kinda promotes the same democratic ideals that the UN does
The EU laws are enacted by unelected commisioners, not by the MEP's
It is the very antithesis of democratic
>>688380790
Oh yeah don't forget everyone had those little weapons called nuclear bombs
>the eu stopped all wars
You can vote out if you want but just know your economy will go down the shitter
>>688381106
Folks, this is why morons should stfu on /b
Go pick up a history book.
"The EU was created in the aftermath of the "Second World War. The first steps were to foster economic cooperation: the idea being that countries that trade with one another become economically interdependent and so more likely to avoid conflict."
Source: from the EU-website.
>>688381711
That's it, start throwing a tantrum and calling me names for pointing out the obvious, that's the sign of true maturity there. You're well on your way.
>>688380790
>the eu was founded after ww2
>no wars in europe since
1944–1956 Guerrilla war in the Baltic states
1945–1949 Greek Civil War
1953 Uprising in East Germany
1956 Uprising in Poznań
1956 Hungarian Revolution
1956–1962 Operation Harvest
1958 Opération Corse
1958 First Cod War
1959–2011 Basque conflict
1968 Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia
1968–1998 The Troubles
1970–1984 Unrest in Italy
1972 Bugojno group
1972–1973 Second Cod War
1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
1975–1976 Third Cod War
1988–1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1989 Romanian Revolution
1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts
1991 January Events
1991 The Barricades
1991 Ten-Day War (Slovenia)
1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance
1991–1993 Georgian Civil War
1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992 Transnistria War
1992 East Prigorodny Conflict
1992–1993 First Georgian war against Russo-Abkhazian alliance
1992–1995 Bosnian War
1993 Cherbourg incident
1993 Russian constitutional crisis
1994–1996 First Chechen War
1997 Albanian civil war of 1997
1998–1999 Kosovo War
1998–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign
[1/2]
Leave EU
Lose European convention on Human Rights
Be at the mercy of whatever asinine laws the tories dream up
Have less freedom than communist china
Make our currency fluctuate so a loaf of bread costs £50
THAT SOUNDS FUCKING GOOD WHERE DO I SIGN
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jun/03/cameron-refuses-to-rule-out-leaving-european-convention-on-human-rights
>>688382033
And you still think that applies today? You really think if the EU didn't exist countries wouldn't trade with each other?
retard alert
>>688380790
[2/2]
1998 Second Georgian war against Russian-Abkhazian alliance
1999 War of Dagestan
1999–2009 Second Chechen War
1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley
2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
2002 Perejil Island crisis
2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo
2004 unrest in Kosovo
2008 unrest in Kosovo
2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis
2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis
2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis
2007–2015 Civil war in Ingushetia
2008 Russia–Georgia war
2009–present Insurgency in the North Caucasus
2013-14 Crimean crisis
2014–present War in Donbass
2015 Kumanovo clashes
nice millennial thinking though
>eu = no more nazis
>11 billion jews are safe
>>688382033
-you know anon meant organizationally connected
-you pretend not to in order to post your shittier reply
>>688382209
Drink less coffee anon.
>>688382033
Source: from the EU-website
Hmm, well why would they possibly favour their own organisation.. thats a tough one
>>688380051
Fuck off socialist cuck, your country is a fucking joke and a mess, it's fucked. We don't want your immigrant criminals heading our way either.
>>688382209
jesus you're dumb
>>688382209
Since when does the British government give a fuck about human rights conventions?
won't you get marginalized politically and economically if you leave? tbh brexit seems to be a reaction to issues not really related with the work of EU. Just look at the guy that says 'voting out because muslims'. Do you think this guy is smart? UK will have even less ways to deal with the immigration crisis if it leaves. Stats say that out are voting people with no education, not interested in politics and old. The easiest to manipulate. Look at the guy that says that EU is rich countries giving free money to poor countries. He has no idea how EU works, he doesnt realize that the money the people of UK get from being able to freely sell their products everywhere in the EU comes backs straight to their pockets. You were born in EU and i think many of you just take many things for granted. Anyways I will respect your decision. If it is an informed one.
Vote leave if you believe in democracy.
>>688382033
Political union didn't take place till 1992 with the implementation of the Maastricht treaty, before then it was a trade bloc only.
>>688381801
EU is complex. The laws are often drafet by commisoners, but those are apointed by their homecountries (wich are democraticly ruled).
You can think of them kinda like your own countries set of ministers in what they do.
The laws are only passed IF both the european parliemnt and the Council of the European Union agree. The parlimanet you vote for, and the Council concists of your own ministers.
So what so the EU have lined up for us if we decide to stay?
I can imagine they will have some massive amount of tax for non-euro using countries. Pound Sterling countries specifically.
How about a fine or sanction where we now have to pay for damages caused by the idea of a referendum. Maybe other EU countries are thinking about leaving and its bad we influenced them. Naughty UK.
Oh shit nigga, the UK wants to stay, they must really love taking in migrants. How about another 1,000,000 over the next 4 years? Yeah, you have to now.
>>688382650
cuck detected
>>688379160
Saddly, it will do nothing. Your opinion means shit to your goverment.
>>688381677
True. And is you exit, I guess you can do a trade-agreement. But it will still be a bit of a hassle for different companies.
>>688382209
ECHR is independent of the EU, educate yourself.
Even Russia is a signatory, it means nothing but is a great scare story
only racists will vote leave
>>688382650
>Just look at the guy that says 'voting out because muslims'
If Donald was Prime Minister, Boris would be getting anally fucked rn. And I'd film that shit.
>>688382645
Are you really that dumb? Please go and research rulings made by european court of human rights.
I'm an adult white male on disability NEET bux.
Which is more beneficial to me?
>>688380666
This is Bullshit in so many ways you're just to ignorant to understand. People moved onto the dole because of jobs being shipped abroad. Immigrants are willing to come here because their countries are horrible in comparison to ours and that's it.
>>688382921
>Only racists
Muslim Detected
>>688382541
well get another sauce then. But its true.
>>688382921
Wow, a lot of cucks in here today
>>688379160
Germany here. Leave it as fast as you can before your leaders fuck you over as much as ours do.
You will be regarded as even more retarded than us because you had a chance to jettison, while knowing what's ahead for you, and yet you didn't.
>>688382302
Not saying its peace in europe. Saying its peace in the EU.
>>688382921
>>688379160
https://youtu.be/JF3yrdv3eY8
In because we need more people like this
UK doesn't have an empire anymore it's just a little island
it needs the EU to survive
come in France ! all is safe here! lets play football
15/05/2016 - 07/06/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5BRNDhdFpA
>>688383006
go and speak to 10 farmers and ask them who picks their fruit. will english people do this work? No
>>688380051
So you're saying you're a cheap prostitute? Give away freedom, get some money?
Jesus, I wonder what would have happened it Hitler had understood that europeans can simply be bought.
>send euros instead of tanks
>>688380965
You get to vote for your representative in Europe, MEP, unlike the unelected House of Lords. It is the UK that is undemocratic.
>>688382209
So you vote in another government that will fix the shit the others done that the public didn't like...you know, democracy.
>>688383362
Its the other way round mate
>>688382921
I like how Ireland stuck with he UK in creating the new Atlantis.
In - Any EU country has to accept working people from any other EU country.
Out - Britain gets to decide itself who's allowed in or out.
This is a huge argument for both sides. Though the "in" campaigners always revert to "but muh doctors", well we'd have no reason to turn away a qualified doctor, we'd just have the ability to should we want to.
Literally cannot see any downside to voting "out" in this regard.
Putting the trade and economy arguments aside for a second.
>>688380242
Ayup. Sign away your self-determination for a less fluctuating currency. Genious.
>>688383626
Replace UKIP with Green Party and you've pretty much got it
>>688379160
Voting in because I know how the world works
>>688379160
I work with politics so I'm going to try and stay in.
>>688380965
not really, actually the exit side is the one with no education, academia and elites. Saying that EU is undemocratic... false. Swearing.. ok. Unelected.. ya rite, you probably just didnt know there are elections to eu parliment. Socialists.. ah ok.. here we go, there is this trigger word that your handlers use to tell you what is good and bad. You are uneducated and manipulated. Vote exit and get even more manipulated without EU's protection. At least you will be full with your nationalistic pride.
>>688383889
Care to give an actual reason?
>>688383790
we chose the prime minister but he breaks election promises over and over again Is that democracy?
>>688380445
Germanfag here. We're not supporting them, we're buying them like cheap prostitutes. They take the money and in return they roll over when we are pursuing policies that we like.
How is this not subjugation by different means? Sure, you get something in return. But net-receiving countries truly do not count. They are expected to fall in line so that Germany has more influence on the world stage.
Sending Euros instead of tanks, genious.
>>688382717
Commisioners are unaccountable to the people, they are appointed by te home countries government, but it's typically a case of jobs for the friends of the leader of the day - Kinnock, Patton, Mandelson, Leon Brittan, Ctherine Ashton.
The commision alone has powers to initiate legislation, the parliament and council can only amend or veto. This means that the elected members cannot bring forward legislation against the wishes of the unelected commisioners.
Finally, by voting remain we are essentially saying we're happy, there will be no further negotiation. If we vote leave I can gaurentee you the EU will suddenly find a way to look again at all those complaints and points they won't discuss now.
>>688382650
Less ways to deal with immigration crisis my foot... how does 'Shoot to kill, chaps!' sound?
Also really dick move towards Scotland that voted to stay in your kingdom mainly because you are the part of EU.
>>688384177
I'm sorry you have to convince yourself this is the case. You have truly fallen far.
>>688382921
>everybody who disagrees with me is a racist
check
>>688384323
Fuck Scotland.
Out.
If you are voting in, you should be hung for treason.
The EU are doing the same deal with Africa they did with Turkey. Paying Africa £48bn to take one migrant back, then send one to Europe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36469264
Vote to stay in is a vote for full commitment. We will be flooded with shit skins & niggers over the next 10 years.
>>688384311
sounds like major repercussions, embargos and further maginalization. but who cares that you will be poor. you will eat national pride.
>>688383362
Ha ha ha. The EU needs us. We're France and Germany's biggest market. We contribute shit loads of cash to the EU to help the 20 shitty countries of the 28. Spain is broke, Italy is broke, Germany's economy is on the slide and overrun by műdslimes, France announces theirs is suffering. Merkel it's fucked, the EU will implode after the UK leaves. I'll give it 20 years.
If I have to listen to another yellow-toothed knuckle dragging english person whine at me about why we should leave I am punching him right in the fucking face. You don't work because you're a fat fucking lazy piece of shit like all english people.
"DURRR i can't get a council house so i'm voting out less immigrants "
GET A FUCKING JOB LIKE THE IMMIGRANTS HAVE YOU FUCKING CRETIN. STOP RELYING ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR HOUSING AND WELFARE THEN YOU FAT ENGLISH RETARD
>>688382980
Killing yourself you tax swallowing thundercunt
>>688381754
top kek
come in France ! lets play football! we need your money here!
31/05/2016 - 07/06/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5BRNDhdFpA
>>688384111
Then found a new party that does what you want it to do, bitch. Why do you keep reelecting parties that keep breaking their promises? Because you're irresponsible teeangers, instead of grown-ups, that's why.
>>688384623
Sorry you misunderstood, this thread is about the referendum, friend. That's what my question was relating to :)
Stupid brits, you're not getting out of the EU. Global governance is the new order. You think you're fucking Avalon in the mists or something? You're just a small partition of a global empire which is ruled by oligarchy, not democracy. Have a bread sandwich and a nice, warm cup of stfu.
>>688383614
Could you elaborate? Which freedoms?
In which way are you less free? And have you thought about the fact that you might get MORE influence? Europe is gonna affect you with our without memebership and being inside makes you part of the system and being able to influence the continent to a larger extent.
>>688380242
It's retards like you who think it's a good idea to hold 200k in a bank account and then get scared by currency speculators over short term 'losses' pandered to you by IMF and Bank of England. The same people who told us to join the Euro or face the exact same things they are saying now.
>>688379778
Where fucked either way but if we stay now, after the utter shoddyness of the political fear mongering around both arguments we basically demonstrate the complete lack of political backbone, and worst the meekness of the wider population. In terns of pure politics the tories have essentially hoisted themselves by their own petard and simultaneously shot off both feet even Scotland is so ashamed of us they want to leave. Lol
>>688383786
Here's my own situation. I'm marrying a US citizen, we have a pile of visa's to apply for and will end up paying out nearly £10k by the time she has permanent leave to remain.
A colleague from the Netherlands married a US citizen, because their immigration laws are more relaxed (your spouse gets automatic leave to remain in the Netherlands) he was able to brig her into the UK and settle for no more than the cost of a flight.
tl;dr the immigration policy is so messed up a UK citizen has less rights than a EU national in brining his wife to live here
>>688384532
oh, so 'out because muslims'. thats a good argument. that is like the only issue a simple folk can understand now. muslims are bad. eu is muslims. no eu no muslims. simple!
>>688383889
/thread
Im voting BNP
>>688384326
They're already working on cutting belligerent east european countries from parts of EU funds. They're expected to fall in line. Or else.
Yeah, Merkel and Juncker are truly full of shit.
>>688384323
No, we Scots voted to remain as the economic case was a fantasy involving unicorns pissing whisky and shitting barrels of oil at $100 a barrel
You idiots had the biggest empire ever and are now unsure whether you want to take part in building a European one?
Well, let me introduce you to the new financial capital of Europe: Frankfurt, Germany. Good luck surviving without your financial sector. I would like you to stay, but we happily will put this one next to your shitty car companies that we already own and look forward to the next attempt of Scottish (pro EU) independence would love to see you face then, when you realize, that we not only stole most of Ireland, but Scotland, too.
Voting out because I don't like the eu over ruling UK laws
>>688384882
There will definitely be loses. I don't need the bank of england to realize that self evident fact
>>688385068
Or else you'll fund them some more? Come on.
Out.
>>688384827
but muslims man! fuckign muslims! you cant argue with that.
As a German I'd like the UK to remain in the EU. It wouldn't be the same without them and I hate change.
>>688382236
The EU is a free trade zone 'retard'. If we leave it we are subject to tariffs making our goods less competitive 'retard'. Or 'retard' we comply with all EU rules, such as Norway, in order to trade in the free zone, who pay in more than they take out, have no say in the EU and still have to allow freedom of movement for EU citizens. Try a bit of reading, retard.
>>688385118
>>688385156
That's exactly why we need to be in. The European human rights courts guarantee us more civil liberties than the supreme court.
Out
>>688384827
For example the freedom to say: "No, I'm sorry, we don't want those rapefugees in our country. We're fine if you do it but please don't bother us."
Because the response to that is: "For every rapefugee allocated to you that gets refused, you have to pay a fine of 200,000 euros." That's their plan. They have all kinds of rationales of why this is justified but in essence it comes down to pushing your view onto others by financial extortion.
That's the EU. A pile of shit and everybody defending it a sorry excuse of a human being.
>>688385437
They also won't let us have bent bananas and pork pies that aren't made in the city on the packaging
>>688385115
hahaha nice. but wouldnt you be fine? even the iceland is fine.
>>688385409
Do you really think the rest of the EU will have a financial capital outside of the EU? This is ultimately the reason they will stay in, money wins.
>>688382689
And the House of Lords? At least we get to elect MEPs, which is rather democratic.
>>688385437
European Court of Human Rights is separate from the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights
>>688384192
Huh? Are they the ONLY ones that can? I did not know that.
Well, then this topic hasn't been a complete waste of time where everyvody just screams slurs of cuck/racist to and fro.
ty anon
>>688385657
You are now comparing negligible rules to serious protection of civil liberties in the UK.
http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/02/uk-surveillance-bill-too-broadly-drafted-says-human-rights-committee/
>>688385407
Yeah, reading, something you clearly haven't done. Retard
http://www.globalbritain.co.uk/briefing-notes/15/switzerland-norway-and-european-union
Fun fact all of Britain's battleships are patrolling the med sea apart from 3 in UK waters to stop immirgration
>>688385118
You talk absolute shite. You're probably a German Muslim.
The Global Financial Centres Index is the independent definition of financial centre rankings of the world. Compiled semiannually, l London has been the top-ranked centre from the index's inception in 2007. In other words, because you're a retard, London is the financial capital of the world.
Frankfurt, ha ha ha ha!
>>688385914
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jun/03/cameron-refuses-to-rule-out-leaving-european-convention-on-human-rights
>>688380051
Of couse you want us to stay you guys lose all our money if we leave British wealth for British people.
>>688384824
I agree, but when we vote out & they refuse to let us leave, it will be a HUGE red pill to many people. Most people are still completely oblivious to the fact the EU is the USSR in a different uniform.
The EU aim is to create a superstate, no countries, no boarders, to make it easy for big business to move slave labour around Europe. allow With the added advantage that Europeans move to each others countries, thus destroying national identity, making it easier to strip all sovereignty from individual nations
They intend on flooding Europe with non-whites & eventually force miscegenation to make people easier to control through reducing the IQ by mixing Europeans with Africans & Arabs.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST BUILD A WALL?
"FREE TRADE AREA". THAT COSTS US £350 MILLION A WEEK! SAY NO TO MASS IMMIGRATION! SAY NO TO THE EU DICTATORSHIP!
You fucktards are actually buying this shit. There's no way we're leaving, the banks don't want us to leave so we won't. You may have your shitty arguments and bullcrap arguments about why we should leave but the truth is it's never going to happen.
Plus why are we going back to thinking only about what's good for the uk. 100 years ago there was no eu and the political tension in Europe was high as shit. As soon as we leave (which we never fucking will) this tension will return.
I can't believe u faggots buy the shit the media spoon feed to you
> inb4 flame
>>688386190
because it's an island
>>688384614
Tell them they are lucky if they can't get a council house 'cause they are all taken by immigramts.
In a few years they would lose the house anyway, like those Germans who got evicted to make room for migrants.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11902296/Second-German-woman-evicted-from-her-home-to-make-way-for-refugees.html
Every British subject should vote leave. The result is going to be fixed anyway. Once they announce 'remain wins by a landslide' ask your friends and people you know, see how many of them actually voted remain.
The EU is a dictatorship that should be either disbanded or confined to zombie nations such as the krauts and frogs.
>>688385657
is it such a big issue? bigger than your civil rights? EU such a monster for doing things thoroughly.
>>688386267
Kek
>>688380242
Dumb ass you say where stupid but all your money is on the line and the EU devalued the pound as soon as they got the opertunity. There once was 240 penies in one pound.
>>688386133
Camerons great bait and switch.
Vote to stay in and I'll leave the ECHR.
Bullshit.
>>688386267
BUILD A WALL AROUND IT DUMMY
>>688385407
Some backup. Thanks anon. Can't keep up with all the ... "special" people that posts here.
>>688386219
it's not 350 mil a week and it never was. that is a lie
http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/
>>688384962
That wasn't the argument you, thick cunt.
The point is they are intentionally flooding European countries with non-Europeans to destroy national identity, thus making it easy to consolidate power.
And yes, Muslims are bad, they follow a death cult created by a pedo. They shouldn't be allowed in Europe.
>>688386178
Kek you actually spent time writing this shit
>>688385717
>>688385717
>>688385717
sauce on this i beg
>>688380519
There is more risk staying in the EU as we have no control of our laws and borders meaning we are at risk with terrorist being allowed into our country
>>688385717
>Nice tits
The problem was they didn't lay out any credible economic plan. There was a budget deficit from day one THEN the oil price collapsed after the vote. If we had gone we'd be bankrupt already.
>>688379160
JUST FUCKIN LEAVE SIMPLE
>>688384192
"If we vote leave I can gaurentee you the EU will suddenly find a way to look again at all those complaints and points they won't discuss now."
No. If you vote leave, you leave.
I cant imagine a lasting government going against the will of people after referendum. But i also couldnt imagine Berlin wall falling so i guess..
>>688380666
I work in a shit paid job that is shit.
I will not get Benefits they mainly go to forigners
>>688386472
It's all true, they have literally said it themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94syUDDhxA
>>688386099
Of course it is London and it will continue to be London. Nobody said anything else. It will pay a price, the Euro is a pretty important currency, especially in fucking Europe. London would lose it's influence on it. Who else would benefit?
>>688386873
Next mayor of London right there.
>>688387125
A vote for me is a dead nigger
>>688379160
Vote Out!
>Sovereignty
>Democratic Accountability (The Commission that proposes new directives is unelected and thus unaccountable)
>Immigration
>EU blackhole budget, thousands of civil servants get payed 100k+, corruption endemic
>Cannot seem to solve simple problems working together
>Camerons concessions are atrocious, we tried reforming, always outvoted
>Subsidising other countries failures
>>688379160
As usual /b
Some good arguments on both sides, hidden amongst vast piles of shit and ppl calling each other retarded.
It has been swell. Good night.
>>688381099
Honestly this is the most difficult voting decision I've ever had to make. I only decided in the last couple of days I'd be voting out and I'm a lifetime lefty.
Anyone attempting to summarise this into a simple paragraph won't be doing either side justice. If you care then you'll need to do some serious reading. Sorry mate.
>>688381259
But the people that are let in have no fuxking skills the skills that I am working towards our having an outcry because there is not enough people with the skill in the EU and the fucking muslim immigrants our dumb as fuck with no skills at all. Im working towards being an Electrician.
>>688387609
Just vote leave simplez
>>688386116
He's already bactracked on that.
Cameron is commited to Remain, he went to the EU and tried negotiating, they said OK we won't ask you for any more money 'pinky promise'
He came home and tried to make this some sort of victory, that we won't be cucked more than we already are.
Oddly, Theresa May said she was for withdrawing from the convention and Cameron said he wants to remain. The man has no qualms about changing depending on the wind
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/25/uk-must-leave-european-convention-on-human-rights-theresa-may-eu-referendum
>>688386423
and fill it with water. soz, had to.
>>688379160
I'm voting to leave, everyone I know is doing the same.
£350M a week we pay to the EU, we only joined to trade and now are on the cusp of a federalised Europe governing us from Brussels, why did we elect Cameron et al if they aren't in charge of our country at all?
The remain camp haven't told us a genuine reason to stay, they just focus on the negatives (imaginary or not) for us to remain in.
All these years I have wanted to know what exactly we get out of it that makes it worth all that money and interference, they still can't tell us.
>>688387901
course you did cos youre a fuckwit
>>688387829
Learn to read. I already said I'm voting out.
>>688386035
Fuck me you are thick cunt! Did you actually read what you posted? Norway and Switzerland have to comply with all EU policy, including free movement of EU citizens, with no say on policy. They also have to contribute to the EU budget and get nothing back apart from access to the single EU market.
>>688386469
I think no national identity would be great. I feel like it brings only bad things ex. if you are [this nationality] you have to [do this][think this][hate this]. This is the actual form of slavery/
>>688387996
It's beneficial to the rich, to Cameron and his friends. That's why they want us to stay in so badly.
Last election, one of the only reasons I voted labour was because of the massive tax dodging the rich get away with, has Cameron done anything about it? Has he fuck.
>>688387609
I'm feel the same way. I think I want to vote out but I've always been a lefty so it seems weird
>>688386469
And Christians are bad too. They follow a cult that rapes little kids. They shouldn't be allowed in Europe.
>>688379160
Voting Out. Destruction of our culture. A fucking Muslim mayor of London? Seriously? The euro zone has been a failure, a great idea that was left to politicians instead of generals.
>>688388609
This
>>688388097
Say it in caps cos i dont believe you you turncoat
In
>>688382921
Oh look fear mongery and name calling great diplomatic argument mate.
>>688388829
Im not racist i just hate niggers
Out. The In campaign go on and on about risk but I LIKE risk. I'm an entrepreneur and my whole life is about taking risks. Should we really make every decision based on what has the least potential downside? If the EU says they will refuse to deal with us or the US send us to "the back of the queue" are these really the sort of people we want to do business with? Should we make decisions based on what our blackmailers say we should do?
As for it making us go into recession - give a shit. There are worse things than recession (like losing your sovereignty) and thinking that we should avoid something at all costs because it could cause a recession is idiotic. Recessions happen wether we like them or not and often they are necessary stimuli for a recalibration of the economy. Like a purging fire that makes way for new growth.
What else, oh Facebook, Google, Twitter et al agreeing with the EU to control discussion of whatever the EU decides is "hate speech". A definition is so broad that anti-EU articles are being buried on social media sites. Even right-centrist immigration critiques are manually replaced with left-leaning, pro-immigration articles. Aren't we a democracy? Doesn't that mean we debate issues? Since when do US corporations and government (let an abstracted EU-wide government) dictate what I can and cannot see?
Think what you want about the issues, what does this say for freedom of speech in the supposedly liberal West?
I could go on but I'm just another nobody ranting on 4c. I do get to vote though. And that vote will say:
Out
>>688388995
>>688383669
Best Image ever
>>688388432
No need to feel weird it was the Tories that wanted us to join in the first place. Also Brussels is hardly a bastion of leftwing progressives, however, the fight needs to be from within not from the outside and trying to destabilise the whole project.
>>688384572
I Give it 5
>>688388366
The concept of national identity is not going away, it is only replaced with other national identities. The Iraquis, Afghans, Kazakhs, not mention the various africans get into huge fights in the migrantcamps. After centuries of cinflict, European people learned to coexist peacefully, (football fans might beat the bejesus out of eachother but thats OK), and now this coexistence gets supplanted by tribal and sectarian conflict.
VOTE OUT .... NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT
>>688389081
this.
>>688389081
Drink driving is risky, sex with strangers without a condom is risky, smoking is risky . . . taking a risk with other peoples money "entrepreneur" is not risky.
DOWN WITH THE FAGGY SUPERSTATE!
VOTE LEAVE!
It really seems like UK is leaving UE over their own shitty government and its failure to move around european institutions.
VOTE OUT .... NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT DUH
>>688388432
I know mate. What I really want is reform of the EU but honestly I don't when the fuck that's ever going to happen and a lot of young people are over simplifying this like it's purely about immigration or fucking racism but it's not at all. The EU is not at all democratic and with the immigration crisis we're in special circumstances.
What doesn't help is that the IN campaign are bullshitting as much as OUT. Economics wise, I've accepted we're going to take a big hit for the first few years but ultimately, we're one of the richest countries in the world. People aren't going to just stop trading with us and I'm confident everything will sort itself out. Honestly, there's so much to consider I really can't distil it all here. I'd say just do some reading and go with your gut - you can't trust any of them.
>>688389783
Vote leave or let ya women get raped
>>688382033
>pickup a book
> source: EU website
choose one, a bias website as a source on the issue we are debating will not strengthen your argument to inform those who differ.
>>688389949
Lol as if anyone reads all that shit
>>688382302
Nice one \b\ro, but even facts bounce off somebody that stupid...
>>688379160
FUCKING LEAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN M88s
IT'S NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU
t. a german living next to a refugee camp with 1200 people
ps: they're not from fucking syria don't let anybody tell you that shit and i've seen like 10 women and chrildren
>>688382033
LOL you faggot
>>688389703
he is an enterpreneur haha purposely making bad decisions haha taking risks haha..
It means he got lucky once and will lose everything soon blaming everyone around.
Seen it many times.
>>688390044
'ya woman' = treating them like property, exactly like arabs, you have everything in common, sorry.
JUST LEAVE WHY IS SO HARD
EUROPE IS A FUCKED UP SHITHOLE
WHERE THEY LET NIGGERS RAPE THEIR WOMEN
>>688390408
You've let in over 1million in the last 12 months. According to the EU's own stats, at least 60% are economic migrants. Not people fleeing war, not women and children and these people have absolutely zero legal right - and we have zero moral obligation - to let them in.
The majority? Young, single men.
But is Merkel going to round them up and deport them? Is she fuck.
>>688383889
No you dont, you're just arrogant enough to think you do.
>>688390786
As if you have ever had a woman stfu virgin fag
>>688390310
that wasnt really that nice. no countries he mentioned are in EU. but i guess every argument, even false one is good, when it contributes to your side..
>>688388609
Muh cant think of an argument so ill use a stereotype to compare Christianity to one of our religions core beliefs to make your religion seem as bad as ours.
>the pinnacle of intellectual argument
>>688390448
ha ha ha!
and where's your counter-argument, little beta cuck?
Lol looks like a triggered thread
>>688380510
I think we'll remain cause most brits don't think like this degenerate right here
VOTE LEAVE or accept you are a sand niggers bitch
>>688390408
be honest. that refugee camp. you dont live next to it. you saw it on a far-right youtube clip or read about it in an article, right?
>>688391504
Sand nigger detcted
>>688379942
Despite the economic risks, I'd rather live on bread and water than sell my country down the river to Brussels.
Vote leave to preserve your culture, identity and history!
Vote leave to protect our laws and ideals!
Vote leave to get Boris for PM!
>>688379160
voting in
prefer larger government than smaller
europe more civilised than UK thug culture
>>688391781
boris is a fucking clown
I dont care which way the vote goes.
Im just ready for the battle
Im gonna kill sand nigs
Im gonna fuck them all up
bring it on you fuyckin pedo shit skin fucks
i got game for ya
>>688391914
And Cameron is a...?
>>688391970
Pig fucking clown
>>688382717
Only guy in this thread who knows what he's talking about.
>>688382650
This guy too
The whole referendum was put in the Tory manifesto only because they were scared of losing votes to UKIP and therefore losing seats to labour (due to FPTP)
It's really a non debate, we are so much better inside the EU
Cant wait til one of them shheep shaggers
mentions sharia law to me
that will be dead sand nigger
come on ya fucks we are all ready for ya
>>688379160
I am a greek immigrant who has been living in the UK for almost ten years. I am pro European generally speaking, but I honestly see no reason for UK to stay. It saddens me to say that, but unfortunately the EU has a bad impact on a few aspects in this country and the good impact is really small to almost non-existent.
>>688392407
You are greek so fuck off
>I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.
And that alone is reason enough to vote to stay.
the fact that it is likely to utterly demolish my business, which is something close to 60% sales to Germany, and force me to close shop is worrying.
>>688381677
All countries with access to the single market in the form of trade deals still have to pay into the EU, accept its regulation on products and free movement of people anyway.
Might as well be inside the EU
VOTE LEAVE or accept you are a sand niggers bitch
>Voting Out
>>688392497
Did you actually read my comment or did you just read that I am greek and you simply told me fuck off?
Germfag here.
It is okay. We don't need a currency to solve a problem we didn't have for 70 years.
We will just continue loving you idiots.
>>688392660
You are greek your opinion is worthless fuck off
want me to say it any more ways ?
>>688383041
You sure dispelled that point didn't ya?
>>688391504
Heres a pic.
Those white tents are the camp.
They literally build it over night.
>>688392818
Yes please, humour me with your intellectual argument as to why I should fuck off since I am greek?
>>688393023
No one cares
fuck off
>>688393115
Cos you are a member of a race that was huge and
succesful and the envy of the world but now you are shit
>>688385118
All of your points answer themselves or are in dreamland;
>You idiots had the biggest empire ever and are now unsure whether you want to take part in building a European one?
Do we want to be swallowed up? No.
>the new financial capital of Europe: Frankfurt, Germany
No it's not, EU tried to punish and shut the FTSE and failed.
>your shitty car companies that we already own
But if you own them and they still make shitty cars... then why is this an example of the EU being better?
>look forward to the next attempt of Scottish (pro EU) independence
Forward is right, it will be a generation before the nest referendum on that.
Do you remember we used something called democracy to ask the actual people who live there to choose They chose to stay part of GB.
>would love to see you face then, when you realize, that we not only stole most of Ireland, but Scotland, too.
Actually, we gave Ireland a referendum back in 1922, all but 6 counties left GB, that's the bit that's in the EU.
You didn't take it at all (typical German annexing things!) they had a guess what?
A referendum and chose to join the EU (and good luck to them!), but who bailed them out when your glorious Reich, sorry EU failed them?
That's right GB did. £85B, did the EU help out their fellow state? No.
Should Scotland worry what happens if they join the EU like a new Darien?
Yes, because England might not pay their massive debt next time.
Only nothing to loose poorfags who claim p's and spend it all on heroin whilst fucking their nan on chaturbate as an extra curricular activity will vote out.
>>688393324
Posts all that so much butthurt
cringe
>>688393384
oh you mean you ?
>>688393487
Nah, I need that EU health card thing, In for me.
>>688393570
wont get it faggot
>>688393648
we already all have one you fucking douche.
>>688393422
Is that it?
People wanted a discussion, you don't like what I said, you're the butt hurt wanker here.
Did you even read it? Or is your mommy putting you to bed in a minute and you wanted to upset a man?
>The EU are doing the same deal with Africa they did with Turkey. Paying Africa £48bn to take one migrant back, then send one to Europe.
>Being this dumb
>>688381089
British people would do the job if wages were forced up by a diminished labor pool. The wages are shit -because- foreigners are allowed to work.
>>688393747
kek
Leave the EU let it crumble and die.
>>688393747
Ive lost interest all you euro fags
can do what ya like but we are leaving and fuck all of you
>>688393144
Yeah, leftie numale-homosexuals only care about the next paki dick inside their rectum.
Besides that, some anon asked if I'm lying.
So atleast 1 person cares you fucking cunt.
>>688393747
>is your mommy putting you to bed in a minute
class!
Oh and by the way your daughters will be fucked by brits cos thats just the way it is
thank us
I'm amazed that anyone would vote remain that isn't an Islamist or an Eastern European.
This is what three generations of people living in fucking la la land has done to the world.
>>688393950
I'm a Brit voting out you muppet.
Learn how to operate the magic sparkly box you're sitting in front of.
>>688385608
Maybe we believe we should take more refugees like the majority of brits do.
The only way to deal with this crisis is to be united.
Additionally we have obligations to house refugees under international law, the problem won't just magically vanish with brexit
>>688393267
Thank you I guess. That is a very passive aggressive criticism but I am willing to take it and counter argue it by saying that our governments' corruption are not the representation of our general capabilities. We are a dumb people for choosing to be ruled by what I believe traitors, but there is a lot of us that excel out of the borders of our country.
I am not trying to change your opinion or force you my beliefs, maybe simply to give you another perspective.
>>688379572
Spoil your ballot instead.
If you don't vote, looks like you're too lazy to make decisions.
If you spoil your ballot, there's a clear message you disagree with the principle.
IF I was prime minister, I'd make this guy go to the home of everyone who said "we leevin so fuk u" and say his thing. Every last fucking britbong. every door.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7hkR-2SEA
As you all cringe before some sand nigger saying
the bullshit they say realise that if you had balls this would not be a problem huh ?
>>688379160
Out
>>688394273
Read the UN guidelines on seeking asylum, they are supposed to ask at the first safe country they come to.
Afghans pass through more than 15 countries to get here.
Out!!!!
That is all.
thread full of fags
see the problem coming simple
kill the sand nigger is the only solution
>>688394402
Then I'd schedule enough events at wembly for everyone who said we'd be leaving and make them listen to this for atleast two hours.
Attendance would be compulsory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA4Nn2ndyO4
>>688394624
Its the best solution
>>688394273
To house political refugees not a random builder from romania you cunt
>>688388609
Straw man argument.
Are Christians murdering people all over the middle east? Are Christians in the middle of a holy war against all other belief systems? No?
Then it's not the same thing.
Muslims bring nothing but misery. They destory everywhere they go. They rape mass rape, everywhere they go. They kill thousands, everywhere they go. The reason Muslims countries are shit and Muslims are trying to escape them, is because of Muslims.
They are barbaric, backwards, medieval people who have no place in the modern world. If you allow enough of them in, they will overthrow you.
>>688394716
>>688394402
Every smartphone sold in the UK after the EU vote would also by law have to be pre-loaded with these videos... they would be non-removable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0a4v2k9EVE
Everyone needs to vote leave so we git rid of these filthy Muslims and prick polish who send money back to their economy ....then we Nuke Amerifat and make friends with China and take over the fucking world
Brits please vote out we don't want ur whiny shits anymore in the eu
>>688395108
Happily leave the shit hole you call the EU
All childrens TV content broadcasted by the BBC would be edited too... Mainly because the people who vote out will have 10+ children so will most likley be watching too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdZ35J0p1HU