I don't understand how jn the 21st century people STILL
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
I don't understand how jn the 21st century people STILL deny the existence of god.
>protip you can't prove Christianity false.
You can't prove it to be true eiter.
You can't prove it right
>>687824658
Nice b8 m8
>>687825000
>>687824799
>>687824998
What you atheists never understand is that the burdon for evidence is on you as you are making the outrageous claim
>>687825010
>>687824998
That is not an argument you atheists always mock while you struggle for evidence
>>687825241
Look i know most ppl on /b/ are chistian so its atheists that are the minority
>>687825406
>evidence
for something non existant
>>687825486
Okay dummy if you say the historic account of jesus in the bible is false then you must throw out all historic accounts in history. Cause its just a book as u would say dumbfuck
>>687825708
Well whats your evidence for athism then??
Well it looks like as usual the atheists have no arguments.. again
I believe god is a flying spaghetti monster
prove me wrong
pl Lord let it be dubs
>>687824658
let me open your eyes
>>687826742
Ermm well thats stupid cause humans invented spaghetti and the idea of monsters. Also the flying spaghetti monster is soo 2010. Wat u doin anon.
>>687826800
there's the proof, now go to church
>>687824799
If I would kill a random stranger on the street, woud that be wrong? Yes? Then you believe in objective morality. Why would the vast chaotic universe provide us with any hint about wrong? It doesn't, you need to believe there is a morality because the universe gives us no hint of it besides our idea about it. What did you say? It came from evolution? Okay, please explain to me why? Often tribes would attack each other for food, nothing moral about it, yet we evolved to do that, also if it was evolved why not go over your evolution? You are smart enough to get over morality, why don't you? You're just as religious as me in believing morality exists, yet you have the problem in finding a moral standard in a universe which has no standard, I have god.
>Inb4 moral relativists are going to say that we cannot say that morality exists.
>Inb4 they would think otherwise if I had a knife on their throat.
>>687825241
Shitposting troll faggot
>>687825861
I don't think jesus wasn't real, i just think he wasn't magical
>>687826937
Okay so most people are christians and atheists are the minority. So its up to you to dissprove god. Also we all know minorities are bad
>>687826800
Evidence of god right there kek.
Chistians just deny one god less than atheists.
Think about that.
>>687827145
Its wrong cause were the same species and god says its wrong in the bible.
>>687827232
But he historical account of jesus says he was the son of god. If you believe he wasn't then you have to throw out all the history books kid.
>>687827391
Okay there is no evidence for any other god other than the god of the Christian bible. Therw are controdictions in every holy book apart from the bible and that is why you should believe in god.
>>687827882
Ignoring the fact this is bait I'll answer; Do you really think any believer of a different religion wouldn't say the same?
Again more typical weak athist arguments and then they leave when you teach them logic. Bye bye athists
>>687824799
do you have another explanation for why the witnesses to the alleged resurrection believed so strongly in it that they were willing to go to their deaths to testify to it? Are you gonna tell me that it was a metaphor? Who dies for a metaphor?
>>687828059
Ermm ive read the Koran and Hindu holy books and its all bullshit. I've had buddist friends try to explain to me they're believes and all they have is lies!
>2016
>still believing in the magical sky man
topkek
>>687828550
Okay but god stops evil all the time you just don't realise it
>>687828613
Well its your ass thats goin straight to hell.
>>687827567
>Its wrong cause were the same species and god says its wrong in the bible.
I'm with you
>>687828550
I have a better question, why do you care about the life's of others? You ask (or you let Epicures do the asking for you) why there is suffering, but the question you should be asking is "why do I care?"
>>687828885
Hell does not exist anon.
>>687829151
Prove it
>>687829259
I have travelled far and wide and have found no such thing as hell.
>>687828982
i care because i dont like to see people suffer..i might be godless but that doesnt make me an insensitive person..or an uncaring one
>>687829151
I saw a picture of hell when i was in 3rd grade. It scared me so of course hell is real, how else do you explain the devil??
>>687825241
*burden
but then your post indicated low intelligence, so what did I expect?
>>687829430
>>687829430
Okay then but how do you explain multiple accounts of the devil throughout history??
>>687826068
You're the one that believes in something higher. Burden (or burdon, as this idiot >>687825241 had it) is on you.
>>687829577
By the same logic, how do you also explain the sun god?
>>687829475
Okay its just a typeo. Not an argument. How do you explain angel sightings thoughout history up till today??
>protip you can't unless god exists
>>687829577
Some prankster wearing a costume.
>>687829783
Okay the sun god was obviously man trying to connect to the real god. But they failed as they were savages
>>687829661
atheists are the minority, wel all know minorities are bad. The burden of proof is on you!
>>687829437
Glad to hear that you are a caring person, good to see. But the question I have for you now is, "is there another moral standard besides your dislike of something?". Sometimes it might be advantageous to take someone else his property or life and nobody will find out, should your only limit on not doing that be "I don't like it" or "It is wrong whethere I dislike it or not". If you answered the last one I would love to hear you explain why this exists, and why this is not another form of religion. It is not like not eating or sleeping, there does not have to be an immediate negative effect from doing something that is "wrong" for yourself, then why do you believe in this morality religion? And why do you blame me for concluding that morality comes from god?
>>687829831
>How do you explain angel sightings thoughout history up till today
Drugs? UFOs? Loch Ness Monster? Bigfoot? Sasquatch? Ghosts? Structures on the moon? Grey-skinned aliens? The sea in the desert?
Because seeing something and proving it's real are two different things
>>687825241
My.claim.is that you are a faggot.
You're actually asking me to prove it?
The closet doors not locked anon...
If you want to come out, just do it.
>>687829910
Okay thats just stupid, not an argument
>>687825000
"GOD " IS DEAD HE IS THE NEW LORD
>>687829831
*typo
*throughout
3 for 0. You're really not helping your cause, especially as I've already picked you up once. And I'm the world's worst typist.
>>687830296
>that's just stupid
>some magical falled angel nonsense is completely legit though I swear
If only you saw how retarded your beliefs are.
>>687825406
Dumb cunt can't even get his words in the right order.
Let's trust him for the answers of all....
>>687830249
Being gay makes god angry unless you pray for forgiveness god is very forgiving.
>>687830187
Okay but Bigfoot is real
>>687825861
Agreed
>>687825861
Can't argue with that logic
>>687830516
>Dumb cunt can't even get his words in the right order.
Like Yoda thinks he does
>>687825861
Obviously
>>687825861
> historic accounts
>>687830395
Okay but that doesn't explain angels
>>687830411
How could something in the sky be a guy in a suit? Dummy.
>>687830516
Not an argument 0 evidence presented.
>>687825861
OK, sounds good.
Good b8 m8
>>687830626
>Okay but Bigfoot is real
Yep. Stuffed example along with the fossil remains are over there, in the cupboard next to the one with the Roswell alien corpse.
And if you think I'm mocking you, you're right
>>687825861
Easily the most illogical argument I have ever heard.
You are going to be so fucked in life if your critical thinking skills do not improve.
>>687825861
Isn't that hehe point of anything that goes against gods law?
Except the things that are God's law that also go against gods law...
But let's just ignore that yeah?
>>687830899
Its harder to prove than god, But he IS real okay?
>>687830829
I am not a spider.
>>687831087
>I am not a spider.
prove it
>>687830869
>How could something in the sky be a guy in a suit?
Crane and rope.
The same way we let niggers fly.
Also you're obviously a spider so your opinion doesn't count since spiders can't talk.
>>687831067
Don't talk in riddles, you atheists always LIE in riddles.
>>687831286
FAGGOT JESUS CONFIRMED
ALL GAYS GO TO HEAVEN
>>687831212
Okay but you would see the crane
>>687831202
Spiders can't talk
>>687831249
Okay thats actually blasphemy
>>687831411
Well gays only go to heaven if they repent
>>687831492
>>687831597
Didn't work that time stupid troll
>>687827145
It's natural to feel wrong for killing our fellow man because we have emotions and can relate to our fellow man's experience.
It has nothing to do with god. Now you see all.
>>687831480
>but you would see the crane
Not if it's dark or if it's well hidden.
>>687826937
I saw a teapot in my dreams one time.
Now that you've said a teapot has some significance, surely the teapot I dreamed about is the teapot you refer to.
All hail Bertram's teapot.
>>687831748
Cranes have lights on at night
>>687831753
I will murder all the kittens while blasting Slayer and watching ponies.
>>687831889
>what are stars?
>>687824658
You can't prove it real either. It's nothing but a fantasy, that you are unable to prove, and due to the way the claim was made, cannot prove it false. It's like saying that Unicorns go invisible when people look at them, but they DO exist.
>>687831720
So if I feel no remorse killing a man, can it be called wrong? Why should I care about your opinion about my actions, that opinion is yours. You have your standard of wrong, I have mine, why should your standard be better? And a more important question, why should your standard be objective?
>>687826978
Humans didn't invent spaghetti.
GOD DID!!!!!!!!
and that's why everyone in the world is happy and peaceful...
Oh wait...
Go read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Allegro.
>>687831795
May be the teapot in your dream is god trying to get you to repent.
>>687830167
It's something I wouldn't want it done to me, so why should I do it to someone else? It's called empathy.
>>687832049
>god trying to get you to repent.
it's either this, or you want to fuck your mother.
>>687831997
How do you explain that atheists are in the minority?
>>687832104
Again, you have not answered my question why your standard of empathy is objective and that of another person is not. What standard do you have to tell a person from a different culture that their morality is wrong?
>>687832176
Okay Freud was clearly a lunatic
>>687824658
We have no proof God doesn't exist.
But we also have no proof God does exist.
God is an Omnipresent being, so we have no idea if he does or doesn't exist. If he does there is no way to prove it, if he doesn't we have no way to prove it.
>>687832226
Because what a majority believes is not necessarily the truth. For most of history people thought the sun revolved around the earth, we proved this incorrect.
>>687832408
The bible is proof dummy. Jesus is Lord.
>>687832464
It was proven incorrect by a Christian.
>>687824658
Earth is not flat and It's not a dome floating on water.
Earth wasn't created six thousands years ago.
>>687827145
I'm as unmoral as the next guy but don't do anything cause I'll end up behind bars
>>687832464
That was before jesus. Also we all know that minorities are bad. Your not goig to argue with that now are you?
>>687824658
I'm not particularly religious, but I have to wonder what happens to the energy that is us when we die.
It can't just go away.
>>687832504
You think Earth was created six thousands and you think it's flat and inside a dome floating on water?
>>687832545
We knew the earth was round since 300 B.c. even before Christ was born.
>>687827145
It's only wrong because people say it is. You don't see a lion not killing another lion that is in it's territory because it would be wrong. You Christians see things like Greek mythology or Roman myth as completely unrealistic, but that is another religion. You have no idea that a God exists and atheists have no idea if one doesn't exist. We just choose to believe what we want. There is no right or wrong until we have actual proof.
>>687832016
causing any distress to an innocent being is morally evil. Don't have to believe in god to understand that.
>>687832545
Okay people who believe that clearly are crazy. I never said i believed that nonsense.
You can't prove atheism false.
>>687826978
Humans also invented god and the idea of religion prove me wrong
protip; you can't
>>687832504
If there is a book about dragons and how they livd, does that mean dragons exist?
Just imagine... there is a book about a creature completely omnipresent. It doesn't do anything. But it is there. How do you prove it is real? How do you prove it isn't? You are unable to do either.
>>687829910
Tru
>>687832735
Lie. The Bible says Earth is a flat disc floating on water inside a dome.
>>687832716
That is a straw man argument, people who think that are crazy. Stop spreading lies cause you have no arguments.
>>687832802
According to the Bible. Adam existed 4,000 years before jesus did.
4,000 + 2,000 =?
>>687832888
But that book isn't real just like atheistm
>>687832880
Okay but god co ordanated the writtening of the bible.
>>687833205
And what makes the bible real?
The earth has an ecosystem too perfect to be a product of a random space expansion and leftovers.
We are not an error and not just lucky.
You can't prove judaism, hinduism, budism, islam, zoroastrianism, taoism wrong. Are they all true?
>>687825586
>kek trolling this hard
>>687828131
Just because someone believed in something strongly doesn't make it true
>>687831480
fucking gross, who let this spider in?
>>687833150
No wheere in the bible says that, find the bible verse dummy
>protip you can't.
>>687832942
The bible says this stuff.
>>687828982
But I don't care though? wut do
>>687832644
Oh yeah, I'm sure Galileo was born before jesus, being from Italy, which didn't exist yet in jesus' time.
>>687831720
MODS
>>687833425
post the verse that says that the earth is a flat dome.
>>687833205
Ok, so if the bible didn't exist would that mean christianity wouldn't exist? Would that mean there is no god?
And yes, the book doesn't exist because it was hypothetical.
>>687833310
The fact it has no controdictions and it says its real in he bible
>>687833398
I am not a spider
>>687833205
What proof is there that god helped write the bible?
>>687833401
You people are dumb.
You believe in magical creatures who came from supernatural parallel universes, alternative realities and dimensional planes.
>>687832779
And where does this moral evil come from? The earth is created billions of years ago from a big bang (which I do not even disagree to). Matter was slung into the vast universe and would cluster together to form planets. From dead material simple life (cells) arose, which would become more complex life when a eukaryote and prokaryote merged (please don't bite me on the details). After a long time more complex animals evolved until finally we came, a creature smart enough to ponder it's own existence. A lot of this just "happened" it was random, why did from all of this came a morality which is clearly evil without having to question it. If we evolved this feeling then it must be that feeling which makes it wrong, but if it is feeling that makes an action wrong then it must also mean that if someone does not feel bad for doing something it must not be wrong, since it is the wiring of a man that makes an action wrong and not the objective standard of a god.
>>687833494
Explain to me please what you do believe, moral relativism? Nihilism? Epistemological relativism? (fill in the blanks)
>>687833612
dragons are real trust me because this post says they are real
Murder is "bad" because it would be inconvenient to most if being murdered and murdering was a-okay.
>>687833316
Define too perfect. Too perfect is the enough conditions to our existence? If was not too perfect how can you exist? In another words, if our ecosystem weren't too perfect, how would you discover that?
>>687833316
>The earth has an ecosystem too perfect to be a product of a random space expansion and leftovers.
>gets supremely fucked over by a bunch of hairless apes
Not that perfect it seems.
In fact, that sounds pretty flawed to me.
>>687833611
Yes but the bible does exist, checkmate atheist.
>>687833612
someone smash this spider with a paper towel before it shit posts more. Fucking disgusting.
Agnosticism is the only logical stance. The burden of proof is on a Christian to convince them that God is real. The burden of proof is on an Atheist to convince them that God isn't real.
>>687833316
Our earth is "perfect" because planets that weren't "perfect" died out.
>>687833640
Okay dissprove it then
>>687833633
It says so in the bible. Dummy
>>687833928
>>687833768
you wouldn't be living today.
that is all.
a random event cannot create this.
In Christianity in the beginning the Bible says there was a great void and God said let there be light and there was light and all this other stuff too
Big Bang Theory States in the beginning there was singularity and then it blew up Universal keeps expanding we are where we are now.
Doesn't matter what they can you wrap it in jews are still niggars
>>687833928
I am Christian and even I am beginning to believe that he is baiting.
>>687833695
I would say I'm agnostic because I have no proof that god doesn't exist but no solid proof he does exist, I have never met the man but if I were to see any solid proof I would be a devout chritian acting my best because of fear of being tortured for all eternity what a great god OBEY ME OR GET TORTURED
>>687833705
Thats not enough evidence i have a very high burden of proof
>>687833841
Spiders arw one of gods creatures you know
>>687833870
LIES
>>687833882
that includes the gas giants in our solar system?
>>687824658
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/atheist-reason-rally/index.html
REMINDER:
DISPROVING SOMETHING DOES NOT PROVE ANOTHER THING. THIS GOES BOTH WAYS.
christian bait thread
>>687833882
>planets that weren't "perfect" died out.
Planets aren't alive you moron.
>>687834068
Your probably a Catholic, Catholics aren't rea, Christians you guys go to hell.
>>687834092
>why would a loving god create spiders?
checkmate spider, we know you the truth about you.
>>687834077
It is not so much the idea of torture, this is a common mistake I see atheist or agnostics make. It is the feeling that it is "just wrong" because it is gods law, the ramifications of a morally wrong action are very often not pondered, just the fact that it IS wrong.
>>687824658
There is some force of fate, or destiny that moves us along.
Nobody can know what the end of the road will look like, or even if we're meant to end happily. But it's there.
>>687833611
If the bible didn't exist Christianity wouldn't exist but the western world would probably be mostly another religion because humans like to cling to beliefs of a higher power and an afterlife to feel less empty inside and make their lives seem more worth
>>687834215
It's a relative term dumbass, there are so many ways a planet can go kaput that it's difficult to have an exact term for them all.
>>687834176
See athists are all SJWs and are ruining America
>>687824658
I'm not religious, but since Judaism and Islam are cancer, yeah Christianity is way to go if you wanna be religious..
>>687834304
prove it
>>687833812
free will.
you can make the choice to fuck it up, or you don't.
Saying that we all fuck up this world doesn't make sense because there are people who think the same as you, do you also hate them?
don't be like that.
>>687824658
People without emotions are sadists
Religious fanaticism and religions role in law/culture has been on the decline for over a century now. Even if your God is real, the whole world is denying him.
>Capable humans: 1
>Glorified schizophrenics: 0
>>687834269
They are a part of his plan
>>687832294
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but I'm gonna jump in here anyways.
Your premise is flawed, and therefore your whole argument is. In order to tell someone from a different culture that their morality is wrong, you first need to have the right morality as an example. However, there is no "right" morality. Just as burping at the table is rude in some cultures and a compliment in others, so then is morality variable between cultural lines without compromising it's integrity.
If my roommate drinks my milk without my permission that's okay, but if a stranger does the same then it's a problem. You see, there are gray areas and each person's will vary slightly, while each culture's will vary as well, and often on a larger scale.
Let me ask a question. If God is real, and the Bible is true and accurate, and God wants all the world to know of him and worship him... Then why did he only influence one small area of the world? Why are there entire cultures who have never even heard of God or Jesus? He could have easily just dropped a book down there for them to read, but no. The answer? It's because Christianity was invented by man, and the men that invented it lived in that small area that the Bible takes place in. That's why there's no references to America, or the Natives. Because the MEN that invented it didn't know about those things.
>>687834275
We don't ponder the ramifications because we were taught by our parents, and our teachers, and every other person of authority in our lives that these things are bad, and we shouldn't do them.
>>687834176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RytdGTMJaE
>>687833820
Do you not understand hypotheticals?
Let me say this again so you can get it through your skull, IF. IF, The Bible didn't exist, does God still exist? The concept of God wouldn't exist, so it doesn't. But since there is a Bible, the concept exists. If the concept of God didn't exist, there wouldn't be Christianity. This argument wouldn't exist. God is a concept. A concept that can't be proven or proven to not exist.
>>687834353
barren, devoid of life, unable to sustain life on the long run, unable to meet the requirements in order to facilitate life, failed to deliver, etc...
Just gotta be a little creative.
>>687834275
Actually that's the common mistake many Christians make... They're the ones who are quick to judge others and say you're going to hell if you do this or that. Jesus is the one who said that humans aren't the ones that judge, and he said that no one could throw stones at Mary Magdeline for sinning because everyone sins.
My opinion is that God gave the Ten Commandments and laws, but he never said what happens if you break a given law. That's because his law is circumstantial and he knows the situation behind everything you do or how your conscience felt when you broke it. He's the only one who fully understands and thus he's the only one who can judge. People hate Christians that judge others when they're really being hypocrites and actually going AGAINST God's teachings.
>>687834381
I don't need to, it just is. I don't think I believe there's an afterlife, but there is no coincidence in life.
>>687824658
Godzilla destroys cities. Atheistzilla has never destroyed a city. Checkmate christfags
>>687834480
/thread
>>687834524
Because that is gods plan. It is all a part of HIS plan.
>>687834477
Technically incorrect, people without emotion have APD, sadist just take pleasure in other's pain.
>>687834077
the god of this world is the devil buddy.
don't be deceived by him.
>>687834524
Quick question before I answer the rest.
Can you say it is wrong for me to kill a person at random? If so, why? If not, why not?
>the religion i was born in just happens to be the right one
>everyone feels the same fucking way
>of all those thousand gods and religions since the beginning of man and yours just happens to be correct
You have to be a fucking idiot to be religious. Theres no way around it.
>>687834632
Good point, I fully agree with this.
Evolution kills the bible.
>>687834632
we are not under the law anymore, but under grace.
jesus fixed that.
>>687834602
Okay but the bible does exist sonyou have no point
>>687834480
That is not an argument if anything it is evidence for the devil.
I claim my dick is 14"
You want proof.
.
You claim there's a magic man in the sky.
I want proof.
Put up or shut up.
>>687834838
It isn't "wrong", it's just we don't like it, because if we allow it, anybody could kill anybody without consequences, and we don't want the chance of being killed.
>>687825241
I'll provide an actual answer. Christianity is making the claim god exists. You have no evidence for it. Therefore, we don't believe it. What's wrong with that?
>>687834940
Stop shilling your shitty post its not an argument, you atheists have no arguments.
>>687834955
Mathew 5:17. Jesus says follow the law.
>>687834480
everyone is denying god.
but somehow a lot of people feel sympathy for satan, what a coincidence.
>>687834442
A perfect ecosystem wouldn't get royally fucked over merely because of a slight increase of global temperature, regardless of free will.
Secondly if it were perfect then the whole point of evolution would be missing, which by extension makes homosexuality completely alright.
So you'll either have to accept that the ecosystem is not perfect, which by extension removes the need for a creator since it could have happened by chance.
or you'll have to acept homosexuality as perfectly natural and morally ok.
CHECKMATE CHRISTFAGS
>>687835215
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.
>>687835095
I have evidence, if you don't believe me you will go to hell but only cause he loves you. Atheists are the minority and all minorities are bad. Anon you choose the dark path you are on. You need Jesus step intonthe light
>>687835232
What the fuck are you talking about?
sympathy for satan? If god doesn't exist than satan doesn't either so we aren't sympathizing with anyone ya big dum dum
>>687835431
Bait
>>687835431
you have evedence right? where is it fam?
>>687835431
Provide some of this "evidence". I promise there's nothing factually based
>>687834911
And what Christians don't realize is that their judging of others is what actually pushes people away from Christianity. There was a church song I remember that said something like "And they'll know we are Christians by our love". So if you're not showing love, you don't set a good example as a group that anyone wants to join. Instead they're bleeding members and turning confused teens into atheists by their hate.
>>687835349
Thats wrong the ecosystem IS perfect. Being gay is only okay if you ask for forgiveness. You arena really stupid person and cannot follow basic logical.
>>687835215
yep, the laws are the ten commandments. what Jesus did was to remove all earthly religious punishment. nobody can force anyone to do "good" deeds, all god demands is that you are not a bad person as defined by the ten commandments.
muhammed rejected the liberation of jesus christ because he wanted his followers to earn salvation in battle against the infidels. that is also why the leftist communists hate jesus but loves muhammed because they also want to force people to do their bidding.
>>687835455
have you ever took a better glimpse at the world today?
>>687834869
Convenient that all you christfags ignore this. Delusional faggots.
>>687834838
Again the premise is flawed. There is no right and wrong. The concepts are constructs of the human condition. Animals don't understand right and wrong until humans teach it to them. Without humans inventing such things there would only be live or die. Eat or starve. Survive or perish. These are the only things that are real. The way nature intended. All else is a transient invention of man.
>>687835539
>>687835607
>>687835608
The bible dumbfuck.
>>687833695
Then i guess morality is some form of subjective. I'm not big on philosophy but when it comes to moral truths, I wouldn't think that what god says is good and bad is true unless I saw whether or not my action helped or harmed something. To me its the same as having a parent telling you what to do without giving a reason other than because I said so. I just go by definition, i hit someone out of anger that didn't justly come from something bad they did to me, then I harmed an innocent , aka committed evil.
>>687835765
Evidence not a claim you dumbfuck
>>687835673
The other guy provided backup for his claim.
You just said that he's wrong because reasons.
>>687835765
How is the Bible evidence?
>>687835673
>Thats wrong the ecosystem IS perfect.
LIES
>Being gay is only okay if you ask for forgiveness.
MORE LIES
CHRISTFAG BTFO
>>687835074
You lose me there, if something like that cannot be said to be wrong, it must mean that anything can go if people thing the consequences of an action are worth the societal actions. Pol Pot wanted a better Cambodia and killed a large share of his people. It was allowed because he felt it was worth the sacrifice.
The ramifications make an action wrong, and if the ramifications are seen as less than the "benefit" of an action, an evil (in my sense) action becomes right.
The other argument you made earlier about the geographic thing, first of a lot of people are actually converting to christianity all over the world, the fastest growing religion is Islam and they will be the biggest at some point, but it is because they force people to stay and because the get mor children. Christianity gets more converts. I can go for hours about telling you why Christian theology is better than Muslim, but the only thing I want to leave you with is that I think God and morality are linked.
>>687835808
You can read the question I asked to the other about evil, and then this response to it :) (if you want)
David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
1 Samuel 18:27
>>687834705
Look, I know that you're just trolling us but could you at least put some effort in? "Because it's his plan" is not a valid answer, and especially not when it doesn't even apply to half of what I said.
>>687835765
spiderman is my god then. just read the comics, you'll learn the truth oh his existence through
>>687835727
When people believe in other religions like Catholic or atheist. It is the devil that has convinced them with his LIES.
>>687835349
see it like this.
a house is perfect for supporting a family.
throw a bomb on it and your house will be destroyed.
the same goes for the earth, which is a house for a very big family.
>>687835129
You know why I have no argument?
Because, as my post stated, I don't need one anymore. It's literally over, the religious lost. Society no longer depends on religious rules and they no longer let religion dictate culture. So even if you're right, it doesn't matter.
>>687835232
>people deny God
>implying those same people actually think the boogeyman is real
pls
>>687824658
>>687835685
Killing your daughter for having sex is also the law. So is killing homosexuals.
>>687835836
>>687835851
>>687835902
God says the bible is truth, jesus is lord.
>>687835964
>The argument you made earlier about the geographic thing
Not me mate, anonymity is difficult in discussion.
>>687834961
The strawman is very strong in this one. If you even read the entire thing, you could that I was showing that God is a concept.
By the way, learn about hypotheticals.
>>687835765
>>687835718
what did he mean by this???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>687824658
There was no Jesus, people don't raise from the grave, there are no records of mass resurrection, Evolution, age of the universe... Wish me to continue.
>>687824658
I really don't understand who is god... Is he the man who invades the Crimea because he didn't have any invitation at the cop21?
>>687836168
Okay, because I asked anon to answer a question before I would answer the rest, you did (thinking you were him) so I wanted to answer the question he originally asked.
>>687836057
And thats why america is in decline, America turned its back on god
>>687836172
And it is a true concept.
>>687836039
A house is not perfect.
It's functioning is not perfect.
The family inside it is not perfect.
Ergo the earth and its ecosystem also ain't perfect.
You're going to hell for coming to /b/.
Omg so many Triggered athists in this thread.
>>687836486
>America is in decline
Yeah you keep thinking that, buddy.
America is doing fantastic and is advancing in every field. It's wonderful for the rest of us, just shitty for you cuckservative religious who would rather live out on a farm with no electricity, tainted meat, little communications, and a flat-Earth model as long as "muh religion!!!!"
>>687836166
Your Argument:
The Bible is true because God says it's true in the Bible, and God is real because the Bible says so.
An equivalent Argument:
Harry Potter is true because a space teapot says it's true in Harry Potter, and the space teapot is real because Harry Potter says so.
>>687836076
no, the only laws are the ten commandments. the old testament describes mans failed attempt to reach salvation by their own hand. man was banished from the garden of eden after having eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. they thought they would become like god but the first thing they did was create their own rules by hiding their naked bodies. they had created the first rule of their own religion and stopped listening to god.
>>687836836
>>687836486
Not my fault you choose not to indulge in what the civilized secular world has to offer because you'd rather be a lapdog to your local pastor
>>687836486
Wait so because Isis is willing to die for god Isil is doing great? LOL
>>687836836
>>687836857
I'm sorry you can't understand basic logical. Not my fault your going to hell.
>>687824658
I pray to this image every day!
>>687836869
Wait didn't knowladge come form the tree, so how could adam and eve know they were doing wrong.
>>687836950
You mean degeneracy
I pray that Yukari takes me to Gensoukyou every day
>>687837020
Just as you can play Pascal's Wager ("hurr believe in God so at least that way when I die its win-win even if he isn't real nothing happens but if he is reward yisss!!") I can play the reverse.
I'd rather live my life to the fullest with complete disregard for any God and find out I'm going to Hell than to deprive myself of life's greatest pleasures and find out I'm not getting a reward.
>>687837115
If that's what you want to call it, sure.
Doesn't change the fact it's enjoyable and you're missing out because you'd rather be self-righteous for a POSSIBLE reward when you die. Life after death isn't guaranteed, but this life is. So I'll enjoy this one, thank you.
>>687833768
>perfect
First all the ecosystem changes by the decade
Second !Its not tho
Things are constantly in conflict and dying of due to lack of food or harsh weather patterns changing.
Only people who believe a guy in the sky cares about them would think the ecosystem is perfect.
The strong survive period. The weak die.
>>687835964
I'll just leave it at when I die, I'll finally know the truth... Or maybe god will voice the bible to me in my head and then I'll have no other explanation beside's his existence is true and he is reaching out to me.
And my answer would be yes because I don't believe that the victims would have wanted to be hurt/killed.
The golden rule is far from perfect but i think that if everyone was completely rational and sympathetic, then there would be no malice. But seeing how the world has an inherent level of fuck everyone with the existance of predators, unavoidable catastrophes, etc, and because its hard at times to have a clear view of a bad situation, then self preservation and bad emotions lead people to harming one another
>>687835663
I cannot say anything else to this besides that I am in full agreement with you. The church should be there to wrap people in their arms not push them away. That is what the great commandment is about.
>>687837276
>>687837422
I'm fed of arguing with you all now, your helbound nd im trying to save you. I just can't believe in the 21st century you people still deny the existence of god and bigfoot. Hes real and you need to repent.
>>687837098
they didnt know they were doing wrong. thats the point. the old testament describes mans failure to follow the ten commandments because they keep adding their own rules to it because they want to force other people to do "good" deeds. the ten commandments says nothing about being nice to anyone, just dont be bad.
muhammed told the muslims that they cannot go to paradise unless they do exactly what he said. same with the communists who force people to work for the state for the "common good".
Jesus brought liberation from all religious authoritarians to the people, thats why the jewish priests sentenced him to death.
>>687824658
>I don't understand how jn the 21st century people STILL deny the existence of god.
It's so ridiculous.
>>687837872
repent to bigfoot? Yeah sure ok fam, if you say so.
>>687836486
God is a concept that can't be proved or not proved. Omnipresent beings can't be proved since they leave no evidence of their existence, but they are everything and invisible at the same time so they can't be not proved. Like an animal that doesn't do anything, but disappears when you look at it, it can also not be felt, heard, or tasted.
>>687837676
I do not look at all the malice in the world and think "gosh this is swell"obviously not. I can not make sense or try to make sense about the pain that others feel when an earthquake happens, it is easier to understand evil by men because if men has free will then he must also be able to not do the will of god. If god did not give us free will we would be robots incapable of loving because we are forced to simulate love.
The only thing I am glad about is that I CAN say something is bad, and that I can feel sorry for the berieved. I believe that whatever the situation is, a bad action might be understandable in some circumstances, but it might never be good. And no positive consequence can make a bad thing good.
>>687838105
Its a true concept just like bigfot or ufos, ive seen them both as well as god.
So my question to christians is where did god come from? Something doesn't come from nothing and an omnipotent being that can create everything as we know it had to begin existance sometime
>>687833563
The Firmament of the Sky Dome?
According to the Genesis creation narrative, God created the firmament to separate the "waters above" the earth from the "waters below" the earth.
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
>>687838105
“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
The philosophical difference is that we see the world already as proof of God with it's infinite complexity. To you not seeing him is proof, to me everything about this planet is prove that he exist.
>>687838479
Prove that you've seen them.
>>687838836
Should have told I quoted Thomas Aquinas.
>>687838507
No one has answered my question and it's a very serious question not bait or anything like that this question alone is my main reason for being agnostic
>>687824658
The main evidence that god doesn't exist is the bible.
>>687827882
All "holy books" have contradictions in them, especially the bible.
>>687838507
It was always there, perhaps time started with the creation of it. But what happened before time? I do not know, just like an atheist cannot explain why the universe would be created with a big bang even though there was nothing that it was created from. Both religious and non-religious have the same question.
>>687838894
I saw them thats enough evidence
>>687839220
The biblenhas no contradictions.
>>687839065
God was created by a another God.
>>687838451
I'm lost here.
When it comes to understanding another person's pain from being hurt by an earthquake, I put myself in that situation and try to perceive what it was like. So if I am hurt, and I dislike pain, then I have experienced something evil, although it isn't the result of a being so its a case of shit happens. And I assume that other humans are very similar in their reaction to pain so I then feel sympathy.
About the robot love thing, people don't choose to feel emotion, it is a robot like response to things. I think that emotions like reason are a counterpart to one's own reasonable thoughts on the knowledge of an event. Our brain does many tasks without asking us to, and emotion is part of that which is out of our will's grasp.
>>687839561
>gods all the way down
Making a statement regarding something that cannot be observed is the philosophical equivalent of an impossible problem, it creates an error. It can be neither true nor false, because the evidence is simply not there to be observed. As such, arguing the existence of a God is like talking about what you get when you divide by zero. You don't.
>>687828308
Right but Christianity is the truth. Since Christianity is the relative new kid on the block compared to those other religions like Hinduism, by at least 3,000 years, what makes you so certain Christianity isn't the one that's bullshit. Because you choose to believe in it that's why and that's exactly what every believer in every other religion will tell you about theirs. So how is yours "more right" than theirs?
the tao begot one
one begot two
two begot three
and three gave way to the ten thousand things
>>687839561
BUT WHO CREATED THE GOD WHO CREATED GOD?
inb4 another god
>>687839410
How is that enough evidence? I can say I saw a flying spaghetti monster create a mountain, but that's not any proof that I did.
Give us proof that you saw them.
>>687839780
Because ive seen god.
>>687829577
How do you explain the gods of the ancient Egyptians and how are they wrong?
>>687839611
Correction, i meant to say sympathy, not reason, in the second to last post
>>687839904
it's turtles all the way down, man
>>687831043
Religion isn't based on logic so there ya go
>>687839360
God did say I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. He doesnt claim to come from anywhere because he says he has always been there before there was anything else.
>>687839919
Fsm is so 2010 plz go bk to lereddit
>>687839974
The devil built the pyramids.
