Lets talk about gun control
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Lets talk about gun control
>>687438665
>>687438665
>>687438933
retard alert
>>687438665
kek
I'd make an argument, but lets face it - gun safety wont affect somebody living in their moms basement.
>>687439321
Until daddy gets sick of you being a fat moocher and comes down to bust a cap in ur ass
>>687439155
>>687439321
are you guys trying to sound like Eruo Fags?
Get your shit out its bait
Well it's not as dumb as OP's pic because gun control would theoretically involve the confiscation of guns, not just forbidding their presence
However i still don't think gun control is a good idea for America
I'd be interested to hear what a European or Japanese thinks about the gun control that exists in their countries
>>687438665
so British guy and a mugger walk into a Euro ally.
Brit gets shot dies and his dead body gets mugged.
A Texan and a mugger walk into a dark ally. the mugger dosnt even think about it seeing the gun on the Texan and knowing the people nearby would also blast his mugger ass....No one got mugged or shot.
a Brit wants to start shit with an American. he runs and get on his laptop knowing he cant win in a real fight.
I support the right to bare arms. i dare you to take them.
>>687438933
too true
>>687440033
OP pic is saying posting a warning telling the wolf to go away is dumb...... cuz wolf wont read it and will eat sheep..... dumbass.
>>687440423
>I dare you to take them
Your gung-ho "I'll shoot you if I damn well please" attitude is exactly why you shouldn't have then
>>687439894
>beats 20 first-graders to death with a baseball bat
>>687440664
didn't happen
>>687440423
The problem with gun laws in America is too many retarded americans are allowed to possess a gun.
I feel sorry for the ones that actually own them for the right reasons
>>687438665
What is there to discuss? We have the right to bear arms and no faggots can change that. The problem is we're discussing and debating like there's an alternative.
There's no dialogue to be had.
>>687440423
Bare arms? So no sleeves for anyone?
>>687438665
>take something that would otherwise be clever out of context to make a poorly worded statement about an unrelated topic
>meme achieved
>>687440423
A real fight or a gun fight ? What Americans can't seem to understand is that in England people tend to be quite tough so we don't need a gun in our pants to feel safe . I will just chin u m8
>>687440889
torn off tshirt sleeves and mullets for everyone
we 80s now
>>687440889
This.
It's all just one big misunderstanding
>>687440743
Beat me to it.
>>687440664
HE IS A MARTYR AND A FUCKING HERO YOU ASSHOLES. GOVT KILLED HIM N HIS MOM THEN FRAMED HIM FOR KILLING KIDS.
>>687438665
I don't see any wolves in that picture.
>>687438933
Imperfect use of association.
>>687439894
Tools made for reasonable uses vs gun made for killing people.
>>687441011
>>687440743
>>687441141
>Tips tinfoil fedora
>>687441319
>>687438665
well if the insane violent sheep could buy guns with no screening and to combat this the wolves were arming themselves even more so to compensate...and of course the farmers had to start shooting all animals for little or no reason out of fear of farmyard anarchy ...then your picture is accurate.
if you want an example look at the japanese... no guns, basically no violent crime. (sexual perversions aside) the standard policeman carries a 3 foot sticks as a weapon for gods sake...they are just sufficiently trained so thats all they need
>>687438665
its about trusting yourself
>>687441319
I'll beat you're a vegan and believe in man made climate change too. Chicken fucker.
>>687441557
invalid arguement, japs are all ninjas so no guns required
Guns that are in control do not need further control. Britfag here. We do have guns here, even with gun control. Guns don't need controlling, idiots do. And just to be clear, idiots don't have a nationality, they're everywhere!
>>687440664
>>687440664
i like your dependence on young adolescent male stress, are you a feminist by chance?
>>687441319
/thread
>>687441557
>basically no violent crime
>Japan
Is this satire?
IS THIS FUCKING SATIRE?
IS THIS BAIT?
>>687440033
Dutchfag here. We don't have a gun culture here, so we don't care about guns. If you want to own one, you need to join a gun club, learn about gun safety and get a permission from your local police. You don't get permission if you have mental dissorders. Somehow they put that last part in after someone with a mental dissorder shot some random people.
But if you really want to, you can have guns and have a whole collection of them inside a paranoid bunker. You just get a collectors permit, with the same rules as above.
>>687441557
Japs live in a homogeneous society that emphasizes conformity, duty, and solidarity vs individualism which is sacrosanct in western societies. America especially so.
Not only that but gun culture is a big part of American romanticism. The vast majority of gun owners in the US are law abiding citizens. But since it is the 3rd largest country in the world both by land mass and population it is very easy to cherry pick examples to grind whatever your proverbial axe is.
Take your insinuation that American cops are trigger happy. Less than 0.001% of police interactions end in a shooting. You're cheeseburger is much more likely to kill you than a cop, or a gun for that matter.
>>687441979
Too many guns are already in possession to put this into place
>>687441912
its extremely safe there, from personal experience so long as you dont piss off the yakuza then there is nothing to worry about ...their kids arent shooting each other in schools , there are only hundreds of random murders a year as opposed to tens of thousands in the u.s ...you all are terrified because you all believe you need the freedom to kill anyone you feel threatened by.....i saw an inter/national police training exercise recently, the U.S cops were being laughed at because they consistently had to resort to shooting people ...they are so inept at everything else.....
if all you have is a hammer task looks like a nail, its an old saying but its still true
>>687442370
Solution: Nuke America to the ground. Let Europe "rediscover" the new world. Implement gun regs.
>>687438665
i love how americans argue about gun control, we get it everyone in america has a small dick and needs to compensate.
>Live in civilized European country
>Laugh at muricas insanely high murder and crime rate
>Ask why anyone would even need a gun
>10 years later
>Cultural enrichment has increased crime rate over 1000% and created mini-detroits all over
>Local stores starts getting bars in front of the windows
>Late night shopping is now just common sense to avoid
I'm sorry murica, I never knew
>>687442521
You seem to be looking at everything through weab colored glasses.
>>687442370
Yes, probably. And you have nutjobs in remote areas. They would start a 2nd civil war and start to be homebrew terrorist if you would use our system. But just telling it how we do it. If we want to change our government, we wait for the next election and not with guns.
>>687441446
>believes everything the media tells him.
>>687442788
Don't worry yurop. I'm sure Sweden Man will save the day by charging you with racism/oppression for getting raped.
>>687442338
your obsession with "american identity" is what keeps your infrastructure in tatters, your people sick and your culture violent and unsafe.....
i love americans, i have american family and friends the problem it seems is that you all must subscribe to this sacred identity, so thats conformity and hypocrisy.
i pity you in a way, its a strange duality, like good kid who found their fathers gun and decided to rob a bank.
oh well, take care
>>687441319
/thread
>>687442862
nonsense, that was just an example
>>687442788
we forgive you, but only because of dubs
I just use a compound bow. Harder for forensics to find out it was me.
No bullet details.
>>687442788
and whose fault is the immigration crisis...
needs a more strict screening process when buying ammo / guns.
like for one, stop fucking selling them in pawn shops?
>>687443237
for when you kill people ?
I got muh rights
>>687443265
this ...nobody want to take your imaginary freedom....just want some basic common sense precautions for the ability to kill multiple people
>>687443092
You're assumption that a nation of 320 million, most of whom are from migrant families, is a monolith is as absurd as it is masturbatory.
Not only that but you didn't address any of my central points. Just feigned superiority and supposedly left.
>>687438665
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Justice-system/Punishment/Capital-punishment-%28last-execution-year%29#-amount
What the fuck is up with these statistics? Why do the top 100 countries apparently execute exactly the same number of people each year (between 1990 and 2014 - and that's not the years, I mean two thousand executions per year).
>>687438665
All guns should be illegal to own besides hunting rifles and maybe handguns if you can do intensive training before. It's just stupid to allow high powereed assault weapons in a civilzied society especially when half of Americans are braindead who would shoot a nigger for stepping on his lawn.
>>687443616
Yes, a country with no guns has less gun deaths.
it all comes down too other countries comparing their low crime rate because guns haven't been in the markets flow and being embedded in the economy so much for it to make a difference if a gun ban happened
but i still think the assault weapons are not needed and americans should be issued a pistols instead
alot of gun nuts are just afraid of niggers stealing their shit which is understandable but why the fuck do you need assault weapons, or is that merica just expressing its freedoms?
>>687438665
>Right wingers actually believe gun control involves prohibition
>>687440033
many don't like their own laws. hard to believe isn't it.
>>687443850
>should only be allowed to have a weapon that fires a .308 round semi-automatically and handguns (the primary culprit in almost every firearm death)
>ban man-barbies because they look like the stuff scary soldiers carry.
R.I.P intellectualism.
>>687443679
>>687443909
That is probably his point. Control guns less people die. And the UK does allow guns I own some myself.
>>687438665
Yeah, we have cunts shooting up unarmed civilians day in day out here in Australia /s
>>687440632
sure kid. no one listens to a 12 year old.
>>687440743
if it did you never would have heard about it.
>>687444237
anything for them ratings, kek
>>687444179
Criminal Justice System: "Sir, how many prisoners should we execute?"
El Presidente: "Current year"
>>687444067
see
>>687444123
A semi-automatic AR-15 (what you are probably referring to) is less deadly in terms of killing power than your average mini-14 "hunting rifle"
I think we could use a little more gun control, and definitely more effectively enforce the gun laws we already have. But for fucksake learn a little bit more about the thing you are crying about before spouting you're stupid mouth.
>>687444441
dude you nearly got like the biggest fucking get of all time
>>687438665
So you are saying shooters are a natural part of the ecosystem and not having them is unnatural? You are literally a retard
>>687440848
this. but it does get people to vote. look at California they just passed a ton of laws on guns. no of them worked.
>>687444123
>>687444494
You are both literally retarded. AR-15 is military assault weapon, designed for assault. How many mass shootings take place with handguns?
>>687444546
I know.
>>687441319
simpleton liberal thought processes.
>>687444494
>hands guns kill moar people
>assault weapons kill less people statistically but more people at a time
>they even out!
>you know what they say if you try once and it doesn't work, fuck it!
>>687441319
Nice
>>687441557
don't know much about japan do you. filthy gaijin.
>>687444494
Edgy
>>687444677
Also the handguns that cause the majority of firearm death are aquired legally then sold through the black market. Make people take a 6 month course to own a gun and the illegal guns will disappear slowly over time.
>>687444237
yet guns don't even rate the top 10 in what kills Americans.
>heart disease
>cancer
>Respiratory disease
Its much easier to bitch about guns (if you are blue) or terrorists (if you are red) if it means you don't have to eat right or exercise and maybe address all the toxic shit we put into our bodies.
Gun deaths aren't even in shooting distance of those 3.
>>687443616
>Chart isn't complete
>Data cherry picked from two different years to make point
Just quit while you're behind
>>687442618
sure kid.
>>687439894
Yeah, cause we should definitely do something about knifes and ropes. Ban them from homes, I guess
>>687442624
so you like dick.
>>687444947
kek dis this nigga actually make this argument
>>687438665
>implying gun wielders can't read
>>687438665
I would rather talk about how much faggotry should be allowed on 4chan before bans
>>687445081
Yeah because you can totally walk into a crowded mall with a rope or knife and kill 20 people? Right guys? Guys? Guns give any person the ability to kill dozens of people at the time of his choosing, and nothing can be compared to it
>>687443427
this lie again
>>687441557
Sexual perversions are EXTREMELY low in Japan, they have weird fetishes but "never" assault anyone.
>>687443850
educate yourself before posting.
>>687444494
WTF are you talking about?
Mini-14 / .223*
AR-15 / .223*
*Most common caliber
It's the same fucking thing! If anything the AR is more reliable when shooting at a crowd of people.
>>687444092
yep lying again.
>>687443563
you are all bound by the american constitution, the american dream is one of the most pervasive ideologies of recent times....
i dont mean to sound left or right on the issue is because that too is part americanism..(i know it is a global term but in this case an american demarcation).
if you dont see how this addresses your points then i guess that is just symptomatic of that view.... im not superior i am inherently able to view you externally. just as you are inherently unable to see the bigger picture.
im sure there are many things i cant see from the outside, im just not an american.
>>687444677
The AR-15 is semi-automatic and fires a smaller round than a mini-14. They just look scary and are fashionable to own. As for mass shootings they make up a minutia of gun related deaths. They are mostly just a media sensation. But if you insist on pointing that out
>what is Virginia tech massacre
>what is Montgomery church shooting
You are either trolling or retarded.
>>687438665
Hahahahaha. Hahahahahaha.
Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year:
USA: 10.54
France: 2.83
Germany: 1.01
Netherlands: 0.58
United Kingdom: 0.23
Hong Kong: 0.03
>>687445333
>If anything the AR is more reliable when shooting at a crowd of people.
Lol
>>687444323
nice hate speech.
>>687444237
>400 000+ deaths from gun violence
>actual murder rate from any cause is 5 per 100 000
>319 000 000 in the United States
Check the math on that!
>>687438665
Americans get so mad when you talk about gun laws. They're so scared because they are threatened with the one thing they are actually useful for. Plus they can compensate for their chodes with these things.
>>687442972
Have you seen Americas current choices? Guns might be the better way at this point.
>>687444947
>>687445018
hey faggot. whats this prove.
>amerifats still cant get their heads around the less guns less shootings fact
retards
>>687445476
>>687441319
its so simple of a problem to fix though. You don't have to get rid of them just make them less available. Where I live a convicted felon could go to a gun raffle and win a gun and that would be it, it's his now nothing no paperwork nothing.
>>687445398
So if the AR-15 is just a "scary and fashionable gun" then why does countless nations military use them instead of old hunting rifes? Since they're more effective at killing, right? Who's really the retard here?
>>687445401
Where's Canada eh
>>687445401
Why do they pretend like they give a fuck about deaths? They should just admit that they don't give a fuck if people perish so they don't have to get slightly less firepower and keep their toy in a box sometimes.
liberal shills should legit drink bleach, fuck off with the non-stop pussy boy whinning about guns and move to motherfucking china if constitutional rights trigger you do much you absolute waste of fucking space
>>687445567
>>687445578
if your little shithole is perfect why do you care.
>>687438665
People forget why we have the second amendment. It isn't because we want to hunt, it isn't for target practice, it isn't for home protection. We have the second amendment because the colonists were oppressed by the British and they decided that private citizens need the right to keep firearms in case we need to battle future oppression. If our military and police are allowed to walk around with assault rifles, we will have assault rifles.
>>687445578
/thread
>>687438665
How many mass shootings have happened in Australia? How many innocent children have died by guns? How many people will have to die before you guys actually take responsibility and get rid of the guns? Why should people have to die because you retards can't give up your guns because 'muh freedom'
>>687445333
Actually you can get a mini-14 in .223 .556 and .30-06 (comparable to 308) you can even get one that chambers the AK round, 7.62
And you are the only idiot I've ever heard putting "AR" and "Reliable" in the same sentence. Fucking things jam if you sneeze on them funny.
>>687445616
hahaha, meal team
>>687445616
sure kid. post a meme 'cause you have nothing worth saying.
retarded millennial
>>687445516
That would be about 190,000 in twelve years. Still a lot if you ask me.
>>687445681
criminals arent people of good will
>>687445635
sure kid. do you even brain?
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>>687438665
Now hold on there, you're slightly right. Assuming everyone will obey the law is stupid, but, and I am unsure about this, I don't think anyone in the gun control argument is trying to say that will work. But if anyone is trying to say that will work, they are fucking retarded.
>>687445811
I'm 52
kid
also inbreds such as yourself need pictures and big letters to be able to read and understand
>>687445398
>The AR-15 is semi-automatic and fires a smaller round than a mini-14.
This is completely wrong you retarded noguns.
They both fire the exact same round.
>>687445661
now the childish emotions come out.
>>687445558
Yes. America has fat rednecks who like to play pretend. Everyone has elements of their society that we would rather not talk about.
>>687444448
Only 6,000 rounds? What a casual. I hammer through that in a month easy.
>>687444947
Americans are fat cunts with guns, take two birds with one stone and take away their fast food privileges too
>>687445766
That's what that nifty little asterisk was for. *MOST COMMON CALIBER*
>>687445681
nice retard. no originality.
>>687445881
Nice comeback. Coming from the guy who thinks an AR-15 is less effective at killing than a hunting rifle.
>>687438665
The point is to ban guns in the entire country and enforce the ban in a way that makes it near impossible for ANYONE to possess a firearm.
>>687445937
sure kid.
Pretty sure that bannign guns is as hard as making them fully legal and easy to get.
I guess the chances for Americans losing their guns are the same as chances for us Europeans to get them.
>>687445985
Stay jelly abdul
>>687445635
An M-16 is not an AR-15. I am pretty sure you are trolling at this point. Btw both the navy and the USMC use a militarized version of the mini-14 as a DMR.
>>687446009
>>687446038
you posted again to show how stupid you are. how adorable.
>>687445218
>mass roping, 20 killed 4 injured
>>687446096
>>687446088
that isn't what the others are saying.
>>687445839
It is a lot. The suicide rate is about five times the murder rate, so I guess the "gun deaths" figure is plausible.
>>687442521
>Clearly has no idea whats he talking about
>>687438665
Brazilian fag here, we dont allow people to have guns and you guessed, there are shit loads of robbers and other scum. And it aint no gun laws stopping them. If anything, its helping those people since we cant defend ourselves and our police is shit
>>687446107
I'm Australian you amerifat. Enjoy shooting up your school and becoming obese you useless cunts. America literally has nothing to offer and should just fuck right off and take their SJWs with them.
>jew shill thread
>>687446131
>An M-16 is not an AR-15.
it pretty much is
>>687446189
sure kid. keep posting a little longer.
>>687446088
We would need to destroy all guns everywhere, then. The police can't have them, the military can't have them. Hell, you might as well delete all knowledge of how to make guns too. So anyone who has ever made or watched someone make a gun would have to be eradicated.
>>687438665
hahaha murkins live in fear...keep making more guns so that more people can kill your ass, nobody cares about your gun toting bullshit fat scooter country anyway...go "bust a cap" in all your own fat asses and do the world a favor
fking wolves, jesus christ
>>687441319
>Tools made for reasonable uses vs gun made for killing people.
Classic use of blinders. You are why there are still mass shootings, not gun owners.
>>687446243
sorry not a liberal
>>687446287
>Brazilian fag here, we dont allow people to have guns and you guessed, there are shit loads of robbers and other scum. And it aint no gun laws stopping them. If anything, its helping those people since we cant defend ourselves and our police is shit
hu3fag here
can confirm this
>>687445996
Actually, the 5.56 NATO and .308 are the most common rifle calibers. .22 LR is thee most common caliber in general but you'll have a busy time killing anyone with that squirreling round.
>>687444947
Are you proud of having even more deaths related to health issues? Your terrible healthcare AND your inexistant gun control all cost more lives than in any other western country.
>>687439523
no cause he will chop him in half with a katana
>>687440423
>mugger dosnt even think about it seeing the gun on the Texan
At least you have the guts to admit that the Texan wasn't going to save any children from being slaughtered in school - that he was only saving himself.
But are big fat men in Jeans the ones that we cry about when a slaughter happens?
>>687441011
>>687446298
Fuck off nigger, im a kike and im defending gun rights ITT
>>687446131
Did I say they were? They're essentialy the same gun, yes one is automatic but both can be easily modified so I don't see what point oyu're trying to make.
All these jealous europoors and liberals that cant even afford to shoot.
>>687446349
It's funny because it's true!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE
>>687440423
so by that logic, in texas nobody ever gets mugged because the muggers are too afraid?
there is no violence, because everyone is too afraid to do anything in fear of getting shot?
what a fucking paradise!
>>687446350
>We would need to destroy all guns everywhere, then.
No, you could regulate it. The same way the military has nuclear weapons but a private company would be instantly blown up if they tried to build one.
>>687444377
>>687446360
At least I have the option to protect my scooter if someone tries to take it from me. What do you have, faggot?
>>687446467
That's pretty weak bait anon
>liberal shills denying to be shills thread
Let me begin by saying I'm truly sorry you are afraid. I don't want to know the life were I'm afraid enough of some inanimate object that I want to take the belongings of some other person.
However, let's ask some questions. I will say I am unequivocally pro-gun for all citizens who are mentally stable.
1) What is the extent of your ideal 'gun control'?
2) How do you plan on enforcing said gun control?
3) Do you believe in an inherent right to self defense?
4) Do you believe more than a majority of gun crimes is done by lawful owners?
5) Why do you feel this way?
>>687440423
All you guys are pussies anyway, you can have that gun in your pocket and wouldn't even pull it out because a big scary man is mugging you.
considering how backwards retarded rednecks gun owners are, it's no surprise normal people want gun control
>>687446294
Aussie Abdul from that (what started as a) christianity thread a couple of hours ago?
>>687446393
obviously. Liberals aren't as stupid as you are.
>>687441319
/thread fuckkaazz
>>687446590
Yes, because regulations work, right? No body ever blatantly ignores regulations!
What does the US gov plan to do if guns are outlawed? Confiscate every gun?
Enjoy your dead cops, there will be many.
>>687446686
No, I'm a white Australian and I'm not even a christian.
>>687446615
>calling facts bait
Nice one, dipshit
>>687446563
>>687440423
oh wait, the mugger has a gun too. because everyone has a gun.
>>687438665
there's three basic types of gun crime.
profit (robbing a store, person or residence)
vengeance (a paid hit, gang violence)
terrorism (impulsive, semi-randomly targeted spree killing stemming from perceived threat, mania, extremism)
people committing crimes with armed weapons for profit or vengeance will always be able to get a gun no matter what laws are in place. breaking the law is already an investment they're willing to take to gain the high-ground. people who plan to use a gun for a "blaze of glory" crime usually plan and stockpile for a period and do it by staying out of trouble with the law until zero hour.
so basically, i'm for gun control laws that keep guns out of the hands of people with histories of mental illness. you cant stop someone from robbing a 7-11 or shooting someone for fucking their sister. you -can- stop a person who's been diagnosed with schizophrenia/psychopathy from stockpiling a portable arsenal they can trot into a grocery store and let rip with.
won't stop them from trying it by other means, but it'll slow them down a lot.
mental illness is contagious and life-threatening. we need to start treating it like that.
All you have to do is look at ME and VT. Two of the states with the lowest violent crime rates, but both of these states have very loose gun laws and the lowest black/Latino populations.
You might say, "oh but they're pretty rural." So are States like LA and AL, but they top out as two of the states with the highest rates of violence - difference? LA and AL are two states with the highest black/Latino populations.
This pattern continues across the US. Gun laws are a poor indicator as to where a state will lie on the most violent lists. What has a far higher correlation is a state's black and Latino populations (mostly black).
So liberals, why aren't you fighting to regulate blacks a bit more?
Speaking of which, let's look at this liberal hypocrisy:
Blacks are killing each other at insane rates every day, but liberals only erupt with calls for gun control after a news story where a few white people get shot.
>>687446656
Confiscation.
>>687446672
Damage control.
You've probably never shot a weapon before let alone drawn one
>>687446344
Except for the AR-15 has been completely civilianized. The major difference of course being
>AR's cant into full auto
Its basically a plastic semi-auto jamomatic that's black and has a bunch of pikitini rails so you can pretend your a navy seal operator.
Frankly, you'd be better off with just about anything else.
>>687438665
When the government takes as big of an interest in illegal guns used by gang-bangers as they do with my own legal guns, then we can talk gun control.
>>687446793
I said Abdul. I was asking if you were that muslim dude who wasn't as easily offended as all christians.
>>687446846
Ok, how do you enforce?
>>687446748
If you see someone ignoring regulations, it is your duty as an american to report them to law enforcement.
>>687446841
Wrong I live in Canada where gun regulation is realistic. If I wanted to kill sombody right now, I couldn't because there is no possible way to aquire a gun. In your shitty country any 18 year old can go to walmart then proceed to kill 20 people. Logic
>>687446946
Confiscation
>>687446791
Proof that gun owners are dangerous illogical manchildren and gun control should be enforced.
>>687446891
M-16 was literally designed after the AR 15.....
>>AR's cant into full auto
That's why you take 20 mintues to modify it, you complete retard.
>>687446863
>implying I need to shoot or draw a weapon
I'm an Australian, we aren't weak like you amerifats. We don't need guns.
>>687446917
Nah, that's not me
>>687446467
>implying those aren't major problems in "im to fat to work so im claiming disability" UK.
That is the most retarded comparison I have ever seen. Animals with instincts and guns, just wow.
Gun store owners love it when there's a democrat in the white house because the republicans always ramp up the "democrats wanna take away your guns" rhetoric and gun sales go way up.
>>687446748
You know how you got on an airplane, took off and touched down safely at your destination, despite all the dangers of air travel and sharing the skies with thousands of other planes? Regulations.
flip the perspectives and republicans are just as "stupid" as liberals
lmao
>UK
>possession of most firearms is illegal
>has one of the lowest gun crime levels in the world
>>687446891
*COUGH* Lightning Link *COUGH*
>buying an ar15
>not buying 70 year old war rifles
Muh nugget
>>687445616
This is literally every cunt that calls himself a sheepdog.
>>687447100
>sales go way up
>then gun ban
what u do now faggot
>>687447080
Not nearly as many cases as in the USA. I'm aware of the obesity problem around richer countries, but it's the worst in the USA. Ever wondered where the stereotypes come from? Ever considered they may be based on the truth?
>>687446844
Let's also look at this on a national level.
Countries like Mexico and Brazil (who our demographics will soon be closer to than any country in Europe) have extremely strict gun laws. Both have insanely high murder rates.
This has left criminals as the only ones who can obtain guns in Mexico, and they are armed to the fucking teeth. And, no, despite popular belief those guns do not come from the US, they come from Guatemala. Banning guns would just create an entire new racket for the Mexican drug lords to get rich on.
I know you liberals have tiny brains, but attempt to extract what exists of their usefulness to understand these things.
>>687440033
European here. I've never seen a gun in my life. There's almost no shootings, almost no gun-related crime.
Our police carries guns and it's allowed to own hunting rifles if you have a hunting license.
I don't have a problem with our gun laws, since it makes it difficult for criminals to get a gun. Of course it happens, but mostly within organized crime groups, so the violence is usually directed against other criminals.
The last time a cop was shot in my country, was in November 2011.
>>687445626
Chances are very likely that if he gets caught with it though he goes back to prison for commuting a felony along with the original owner/whoever raffled it to him. This is a bad argument as there are already laws against felons owning or even being in possession of a gun. But I see your point. And a felon isn't going to go to Walmart, a gun store, or a gun show and leave with a gun as all of those places do BG checks
>>687447015
Typical liberal plan. Gr8 plan
>>687446656
>1) What is the extent of your ideal 'gun control'?
confiscation/payed penaltis
>2) How do you plan on enforcing said gun control?
Tests every 6 months or a year/ law enforcement
>3) Do you believe in an inherent right to self defense?
yes
>4) Do you believe more than a majority of gun crimes is done by lawful owners?
no
>5) Why do you feel this way?
see>>>687446450
>>687447073
Yes, by all means, commit a federal felony.
But if you were gunno go full jigaboo again their are much better options than the AR-15.
>>687446979
i dont think you understand what i meant. i mean that career criminals who want to find a way to get a gun on the black market are going to be able to do it no mater what. BUT gun control laws can stop people who want to just go "make them all pay". whoever 'they' may be.
So many brittakisttanni and JIDF cucks in this thread, if only retardation was fatal...
>>687447122
>higher violent crime rate
I'd rather have more dead dumbasses over here than live ones walking around shitting up my area.
>Enjoy your Big Muslim Brother
>>687447109
Air travel is the safest way of traveling
Swissfag here.
People are only anti-gun because of ignorance, stupidity and brainwashing.
Most people that are anti-gun have never shot a gun or seen one in their lives, so their experience with guns revolves around: cops, military, the media and hollywood movies.
It's fucking obvious that these people are mentally deficient and have no clue about the shit they are talking about.
Homicide exists due to socio-economic problems that are different in pretty much every country on Earth. It's not because of gun ownership and gun laws that a society will turn into bloodthirsty maniacs shooting at everyone.
ITT American liberals pretending to be euros against gun control but not against suicide muslims
>>687447391
Confiscation
>>687447079
So your fist can travel further than 5 feet or faster than 300 fps? Incapacitate more than one for effectively? Impressive
>>687447073
>That's why you take 20 mintues to modify it, you complete retard.
And this is how I know you know absolutely nothing about firearms. I bet you know all about silencers from movies too right?
>>687447394
No you're entire argument against me was because the AR-15 is just a "scary gun" when in reality it's designed to kill or assault. Kill yourself since you have so many guns, please.
>>687447109
Yes because when planes crash it's because of regulations? Don't be retarded.
>>687447286
It is the truth. I live in Canada and when I went over to USA for vacation it was hard not to notice how much obese people there were. And not even a minority, the majority of people were obese (or it just seemed that way because culture shock) btw USA soda is shit
lol these pro gun "info"graphics are tumblr tier
>>687440848
>What is there to discuss? We have the right to bear arms
The right in your constitution doesn't define what 'level' of arms.
How about an MP5 machine-pistol in McDonalds?
Is that the 'right' intended all those years ago when it was written? - Years before Cars powered by combustion-engines even existed?
Do you think other rights or laws have been re-written since then?
Should we all be on a horse with a six-shooter?
Or has the technology moved forward making the 'arms' themselves drastically more dangerous , and considerably more-affordable , and in a considerably denser population, with an ever greater level of fear driving the wrong , fearful , people to ever more desire for weapons?
TL;DR ? - this isn't the wild-west , the guns got more dangerous and there's too many weak-minded fools with a spare buck who can buy a gun and shoot-up a school.
There's no protection for the innocent with too many people like the above. [bucks , no-brains , and fear]
>>687447303
You don't reside next to Mexico, and your Country doesn't have nearly as many fine upstanding African American citizens.
>>687447270
but there is no gun ban. that's the joke.
faggot
>>687447402
That is what I meant. There is hardly a black market for guns in Canada, why? Because they're illegal. Also criminals tend to only shoot people they know aka other criminals.
>>687447496
Fuck was it that obvious?
>>687447575
Every gun is designed to kill you moron.
In my country we use real assault rifles for FUN and SPORTS, meanwhile our homicide rate is ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE FUCKING WORLD.
You morons really think that "made to kill= therefore I must kill".
Guns are neutral, it's up to the population to use them either for good or bad things.
>>687447286
US and UK obesity rates are comparable. Pretty much the only first world nation that has escaped this problem are the frogs.
>for the record
Arabs are fatter than westerners.
>>687447559
>not knowing the 'bottle opener' loophole
>not modifying your personal property despite what the government says
Ah, faggot tears taste soooooooooo good. Cry more, faggot,
Guns will never go away.
>>687446693
Posts memes trying to prove an argument without facts with legitimate sources and using slander is a sure way to to prove that you are a complete dip shit who hasn't used any logical, empirical reasoning in their whole life.
>>687447303
I bet you've seen mohammed husseins dick on your face tho you pansy bitch faggot.
As a mere lurker I will say this to both sides of the argument,
People who want gun control: Good job on most of the arguments using numbers, even if they don't have sources.
People who want to keep their guns: There haven't really been any arguments from your side. Read all the above posts, most of them are just "you're stupid get educated!" Kind disappointing to be honest.
I don't give a solitary fuck if somebody down my street has a gun but if you guys wanna keep them at least have some real arguments for fuck sake.
>>687447559
Never heard about slide fire before cocksucker? Again you're failing to make any decent points about why guns shouldn't regluated, instead you just insult like the braindead moron you are.
>>687447685
>USA soda is shit
Nice touch to your (valid) argument, made me kek
>>687447575
Show me a gun that's not made to kill you fucking idiot. My argument has been that fixating on AR's (which I don't even like) while promoting handguns (the primary weapon in almost every gun death) is absurd.
>>687443616
Now post violent crimes for same years
>>687447830
conservatards need lots of pictures and big print.
>>687447815
>Every gun is designed to kill you moron.
Better not go to that blood bath called the olympics you fucking idiot.
>>687447815
Some guns are designed for target shooting and hunting. Other guns are designed to kill dozens of people in a very fast period of time. Only a retard can't tell the difference.
>>687443092
I'm sorry we're not like Angela Hitle...Merkel snatching flags out of proud citizens hands trying to shame people for loving their country. Stupid shit like that is why Europe is in the situation it's in now. "Oh no mate! We gotta be more multicultured! We can't dare come off as racist! The refugees need our help! Let's just let them in unchecked by he millions! I'm sure everything will be fine! Don't you dare be proud of being from this country you bloody racist wanker! I'm perfectly fine with this Muslim dick in my ass!"
>>687447685
What part of the US did you go to?
>>687447815
>Ar 15 Designed to wound
Because wounding fucker A on the battlefield causes fucker B & C to stop what they were doing to help.
>yfw you know nothing about guns or miliary history
>yfw it's a scary 'salt rifle that has no other uses than killing
>yfw I use guns for shooting paper and thinning out the idiots from my herd of friends
>>687447730
OK then educated fellow. Question, why does them demoradical govnernments want to keep guns then? (honest question)
>>687438665
because if every sheep in the field had a desert eagle, the picture would be a lot more sensible.
>>687448101
>implying hunting isn't killing
>>687448097
Because neckbeard retards and hicks go to the gun shop to buy olympics guns right? You cock sucking peasant.
>>687448097
>posts crossbows
>incidentally also made to kill
>Olympic marksmanship is showcase of who's best at potentially killing things with projectile weapons.
Dogmatism is a bitch.
>>687448095
>conservatards need lots of pictures and big print.
posts picture with a bunch of print
>>687438665
Ok so if you give these sheep guns you automatically assume they will use it responsibly?
It probably will produce more negativity than positivity.
Then again, this probably is bait
>>687448266
>>Did you forget to take your medication this morning?
>>687443265
You do realize when you buy a gun ANYWHERE other than private sales(and there are extremely severe penalties for selling your guns to felons and the mentally unfit in a private sale) you still have to go through the background checks and whatever waiting periods your state puts in place.
>>687448322
>crossbows
Are you a complete fucking retard?
>>687448147
Washington, but I think the soda is probably going to be shit regardless anon
>>687448042
>Primary weapon
omg quikswitch when you empty your CLIP bro. Here's another CLIP so you can reload your machine gun with more thrust per squeeze.
AR15 designed to wound. You literally lose right out of the gate on this argument.
>>687448349
I did not, I took my pills
>>687448274
>go to the gun shop to buy olympics guns right?
But you said all guns were designed to kill people. I just showed that you were wrong. Ask your mom for another pill, you seem agitated.
fat scooters vs segways:why segways never took off
>cause you have to stand up
>>687448101
>some axes are made for chopping wood, some are designed for chopping other kinds of wood.
>only a retard can tell the difference
So what your saying anon is that if I shoot you with a target rifle you wont die?
>>687448042
They can have the handguns if we can keep the assault rifles. Just shot my first AR15 the other day and if I need to defend something, that will be my shit. My grouping was fucking incredible and I am not a frequent shooter. $699? Fuck yeah!
>>687448101
>musket shooting spree, 30 killed
>>687448097
You have just proven my point you moron.
>>687448101
All guns are designed to kill, period.
It's up to YOU how to use the fucking gun. The AR15 is a highly versatile weapon that can be used for target shooting, hunting and also killing just like every other gun.
But if guns are made to kill, specially assault rifles, why are they used for sports in my country if according to you it can't be used for anything else?
This argument "URR DURR DESIGNED TO KILL" is such a big load of bullshit, because you guys have something called FUNCTIONAL FIXEDNESS.
The design is completely irrelevant.
See pic related, little kids shooting real assault rifles for FUN.
>>687447449
The UK violent crime rate is only higher because we include more crimes than the US . The US only counts murder and manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggrevated assault. In the UK as well as those 5 crimes, we also include things like possession of a knife, other forms of sexual assault, harassment, etc. The murder rate for the US is 4 times higher than it is in the UK as well. It's not a fair comparison of crime figures, but the UK is still a safer place to live
>>687448330
lots of big print
>>687448576
>being shot by .22lr
I will wear a thick denim jacket and be fine.
>>687448576
I'm saying you can't walk into a mall and kill 20 people with a bolt action rifle, an AR-15 on the other hand would be easy. Maybe you could kll 20 people but the point is it's so much easier with assault weapons that literally anybody could it
>>687438665
I had no plans on buying a gun today but after seeing this thread, I think I'll buy two.
>>687448514
You're so mentally defect, l'm not even going to try and educate you. Enjoy being a genetic failure.
>>687448428
Weird, cause i live in Washington (state) and been to Canada plenty of times. People seemed just like folks from the Puget sound area only slightly more polite and with goofy money.
I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion. -Thomas Jefferson
>>687448656
Yeah it's only higher because reasons.
>>687448656
Safer for whom?
We have an overpopulation problem, you know. Safer is not necessarily the goal, here.
>>687442338
individualism was a marketing ploy thought up by PR inventor edward bearnaise. THe idea is you tell people they should be individuals, they will have to buy more shit to represent such individuality
>>687448746
This is where we can see that you know jack shit about guns.
>>687448712
good I'll put one right behind your ear.
>>687448655
And you are happy knowing any of those 12 year olds could kill your entire family if he gets angry? You simply put too much trust into your citizens. Its up to YOU not to speed in your car but we still have speeding limits don't we?
>>687438665
Yes lets.
Our current system is flawed.
We have an woefully understaffed division of the fbi who have to do background checks and we have next to no systems in place for mental health checks. I.e. the cause of gun violence. So we cant set up barriera to keep mr. Schizo from buying something because thw voices told him too.
We need to have a better mental health care system because that breeds the violences. No one wants to so wed rather treat the systems. E.g. no guns.
https://join.skype.com/GwnJ5tzrG5HO
>>687447449
Also the Muslim population growth has been relatively slow in the UK over the last 15 years, less than 2%. On the other hand, atheism has increased by 10%
>>687444677
You're retarded. It's just another rifle. It just looks scary to uneducated liberals.
>>687447968
>Im a "neutral'' smartass goyim
>Lol good job using contexteless correlations to push the evil guns and pro big gov narrative liberals, good goys
>Its current year pro constitutionalists, drop your guns, guns are the problem not criminals and your a bug dum goy if you disagree with me
>>687448809
and better soda.
>>687448974
30 rounds in the clip vs bolt action that has to be reloaded. Yes they are totally the same guns.
>>687448817
Well if you include other crimes that the US doesn't include then the figure will be higher. If you compare like for like then the US is far worse
>>687448899
Oh wow, you are a fucking huge paranoid mother fucker aren't you?
All you fucking anti-gunners can do, is spew the usual "BUT IF X HAPPENS" which doesn't actually happen because it's just bullshit made up examples.
Never happened in my country and this tradition is centuries old.
Fuck off. We are not paranoid, fearful pussies like you.
>founding fathers writing amendments
"So we're talking about single shot minute reloading muzzle loader muskets right?"
"The fuck you on about Jefferson, WHAT ELSE IS THERE?!"
>>687449024
>>687448746
you totally can, though
Nowhere did you support your claim with evidence. Seems to me you know everything about how guns work (You comprehend Bolt-action and semi automatic, yay), except the whole skill of the shooter bit which heavily alters the score at the end of the day.
>>687449080
I can load my K31 in the same time as a fucking Stgw 90.
>>687441569
Flanders is left handed
>>687444846
This fails to mention that the "mass shootings"(kek) happened in gun free zones and legal carriers don't carry in those places. It also leaves out the whole 200,000/yr instances where legal gun owners did stop assailants of which only 1-2% of the time they had to discharge their weapons.
>>687448873
as long as I get my helmet, sure
>rated 3a
Good Luck, Chuck
>>687449098
Well we're talking about gun control in America you stupid autist. Even though you're clearly an American pretending not to be so I'll believe you.
>>687448777
>>>687438665 (OP)
>I had no plans on buying a gun today but after seeing this thread, I think I'll buy two.
I can't buy a gun today because I need to complete the necessary background check. Fucking Wayne Brady bill.
>>687448712
No you wont. Especially if pop off the entire mag into you.
>>687448746
You could do the exact same thing with any semi-auto rifle. The fact that is black and looks like a scary military rifle has no bearing on its deadliness as weapon. Its pure fucking aesthetics. And anyone who has any experience firing AR's is that you would likely be better off using a semi-auto AK or mini-14 vs an AR.
The AR-15 is literally barbie for gun-nuts, and its also relatively cheap which is why you see it everywhere. You can buy all kinds of pointless accessories for you're menacing jam machine but frankly if I was going to commit some kind of nonsense like that I would pick a much better tool.
>>687449080
>OH BOY, ONLY SALT RIFLES HAVE CLIPS AND SHIT
>BOLT ACTIONS CAN'T!!!!
Are you sure?
>>687438665
Gun threads belongs in >>>/k/
All the anti's belong in >>>/lgbt/
I bet you are the kind of person who think vaccines cause autism...
>>687449305
you don't get your helmet, just your redneck jean jacket like you said.
>>687449080
>anon calls a magazine a clip
oooooooooooooooh dear
You've never seen a magazine fed BA rifle, have you. Stop playing call of duty and go outside.
>>687449313
Halt dini schnore du huere verfickte banane.
Meinsch ech bi a verdammti Ami oder was?
You know, we can be European and be pro-gun, you mongoloid.
>>687449365
Oh really? Tell me more gun expert.
>>687449365
Amazing, what's it's rate of fire...
>>687448095
liberal double standards retardation: the unintentionally ironic post
>>687449338
>I can't buy a gun today because I need to complete the necessary background check
So do I. But after the state police give the ok, I'm good to go. Same day service
>>687449462
Look at the picture you moron.
>>687449487
Quick as fuck, only a manlet can't work a bolt action fast enough.
>>687448847
Marketing plays a part in it sure. But individualistic meritocracies have been around for ever.
>>687449290
The thing is that you can get your handa on guns far easier. In the UK basically only farmers and some gang members have guns but they are very hard to get. Guns are designed to kill, and you put them where they can be accessed by any Tom Dick or Harry
>>687449505
Yes a rifle is capable of having a magazine. So what? Do the majority of hunting rifles look like that? No
>>687449188
>>687449399
see
>>687446344
>>687444377
the 1700's are over kid.
>>687449504
Our state is 3-5 days. No clip limits though!
>>687449549
Meanwhile the UK has higher or equal homicide rates compared to western European countries with higher gun ownership and laxer gun laws in certain aspects.
>>687449569
It's common as fuck. We aren't living in the 19th century anymore you moron.
>>687449106
They had other guns. By this logic I should also be able to own cannons, aside from the various other siege weapons available in the late 1700s. You totally can irl, btw. Chemical Warfare is totally good, too, right? As long as we're basing our modern laws on 200 year old though processes...
>>687449605
>the 1700's are over kid.
you're right, they are
>>687445763
>Why wont anyone think about ze kiddies
But here on 4chin we care, we really really liike em.
>>687449106
Cannons... Blunderbuss'... That's... That about all I got
Hi everyone, Liberal progressive socialist here.
Gun control isn't about controlling guns. It's about controlling who has the guns. A gun is the most basic form of power.
If the ordinary working man can no longer wield this power, then we no longer live in a democracy.
Power to the people means guns to the people. Sorry if you don't like that, or that's scary to you, but it's a fact. Gun in the hands or ordinary men helps to keep gangs and warlords from being unstoppable. It serves to hinder tyranny and fascism.
You simply can't open pandoras box then close it up again. That's the whole point of that story. Once it's out, it's out.
Ayn attempt by any politician to control guns, is a power grab, an attempt to centralize power, tax it, and commodify it. No matter what reason they give, or rational, it just comes to controlling power.
But, aww look little kids got shot, and aww, look college kids got shot.
Anyone can make a bomb. It's easy. Anyone can steal or rent a car crash it into a student assembly. Anyone can fill a classroom with chlorine has and put a "the club" on the door from out side so no one can escape.
There's many ways too kill lots of people. If guns are gone, we will start seeing those ways. We won't see less mass murder until we change our shitty education system that is obviously causing some weaker kids to crack.
>>687449643
Fine then. Your society is fucked. Better? Either way you will drastically reduce atrocities like school shootings by getting rid of lax gun laws. It worked for South Korea and especially Australia I believe. Why wouldn't it work for you?
>>687449866
I'm Swiss.
My society is full of guns, has lax gun control compared to other developed countries and it fucking works.
>>687449106
>>founding fathers writing amendments
>"So we're talking about single shot minute reloading muzzle loader muskets right?"
>"The fuck you on about Jefferson, WHAT ELSE IS THERE?!"
That's why they said arms, faggot. To include future improvements in firepower.
>>687449866
WE NEED MORE GUNS HURRR YOU CAN'T TAKE MUH FREEDOMS
>>687441292
>HE IS A MARTYR AND A FUCKING HERO YOU ASSHOLES. GOVT KILLED HIM N HIS MOM THEN FRAMED HIM FOR KILLING KIDS.
First, we can't have a sensible conversation about guns because the gun lobby distorts the arguments ad absurdum and the gun nuts can't be reach with common sense.
Second, gun violence really is about unhinged people, but the gun lobby and gun nuts systematically block and prevent any efforts to improve registration, background checks, screening, etc.
We usually don't have a way to easily identify who the criminally insane are - to prevent them from possessing weapons of war - but it's nice when they show up in a forum somewhere declaring their insane gullibility for obvious conspiracy theories.
Let's all agree to stop and reverse the steady erosion of our rights and liberties so we don't need to have a bloody revolution, mmmmk?
>>687449750
see
>>687444377
What's a manlet?
>>687449855
Who is making the second argument. As far as I'm aware you largely want to limit school shootings and the like, not overthrow the government
>>687449361
what range, etc. I'm making a point, idiot. Not all guns are for killing. Yes all guns can be used to kill.
So can Cars.
>inb4 no Cars are designed for killing
Hah.
Say that to every car designed in the 50s
>>687449951
And you guys don't even have as many guns as France or Germany
>>687449487
In the hands a trained shooter? 10 aimed accurate shots a minute. And in that caliber that means 10 corpses.
>>687450019
see
>>687446593
>>687449951
I've lived in Switzerland. The crime and poverty issue is not as great as in America I believe
>>687449986
>no rational argument
>can't think beyond insults
okay, and we're done here, right?
>>687450085
You just defeated you're own argument tard.
>>687450040
>What's a manlet?
Someone with an irrational fear of inanimate pieces of metal.
>>687450179
I've made my points but you are Americans are literally retarded and set in your own ways.
>>687450118
10 shots a minute? An ar-15 shoots 700 rounds a minute, kek. Still think they're comparable?
>>687450152
He is afraid of pissing of Islamic extremists. Wouldn't you be. I argue that Islam and guns are at fault
>>687449859
Strength/Applied Force is the most basic from of power.
Guns don't appear in nature you idiot.
Volcanoes and the like are about as close as you get to your description of 'base power'.
>>687449962
You really think they could foresee fucking flamethrowers, miniguns and weapons capable of firing 700+ rounds per minute? I'm pretty sure the reason the second amendment exists is so we can have a fight against the government if it goes corrupt.
Pretty sure the government is gonna win that fight, they got tanks and planes and drones and shot dude...
