Vegan thread (yes again) I'm trying to find an anon that
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Vegan thread (yes again)
I'm trying to find an anon that wrote this small little paragraph that I screenshotted and saved.
So veganfags, tell me if you share this anon's thoughts?
paragraph in question
>>686757258
crude reality...
>>686757258
What a pussy. I'll eat two steaks tonight to make up for reading that.
>you cant make people feel compassion
BUT
>you die a little more every day
>youre making a mistake
nice projection turbohomo, the reality is that meat is food, get the fuck over it
>>686757193
Go fuck yourself, you useless stupid vegeta
http://millerreport.us/officer-tyler-b-walker/officer-tyler-b-walker-docs-colorado-springs-almost-raped-inmate/ bump
>>686757258
yeah op, veganfag here, I completely understand this position, and yes, society is like this, they don't want to change
>>686758165
how is it good?
>>686758277
you're wrong
>>686758404
why
>>686757193
I'm vegetarian (sort of, I eat fish) but I completely agree.
>>686757193
vegan here
he's right
>>686758481
You're a pescatarian
>>686758400
do you have any idea how lucky you are? you live in a time where you have the luxury to turn down food, and you actually have the audacity to shame others for not sharing your preferences... unreal, get hit by a bus
>>686758692
do you have an idea how much food is destinated to animal growing for meat production, and how much it would be directly destinated to humans?
>>686758683
I know my nigga, but people usually don't know what a pescatarian is and think I'm trying to sound like I'm special. To avoid discussion I always introduce myself as a vegetarian that eats fish.
>>686758836
>can't form an argument, nor a coherent sentence,
you need some meat in your diet anon
>>686759172
not english native, you nigger
>>686757193
>>686757258
As a former vegetarian, I can get this, however eventually I just stopped caring about the use of less emotionally and mentally complex animals for meat. Of course, these processes really don't need to be this cruel either, and I would really really like to see improvements there.
>>686759237
think of all the languages you could learn with a nice boost of protein....
why have vegan threads on /b/ of all places? this community goes full autist the moment you mention you don't eat meat.
>>686758924
i get that, dude. it totally sucks having to explain your diet to everyone you meet.
>>686758478
Because fuck you that's why.
>>686759467
protein you can find in vegetables like quinoa
>not having enough information against veganism
>needs to reply some shit about language learning
>thinks he's right because he knows english better than other person
kill yourself
>>686759608
thank you for your coherence faggot
>>686759506
the only autists here are the vegans
>>686759694
typical joke
>hurr durr my sides he's vegan
>>686759346
the fact that they're "less emotionally and mentally complex" is not an excuse to kill and eat them, you're deluding yourself anon.
they can feel pain and they're sentient, what more do you need?
>>686757193
Why don't you vegans just buy local and organic if your concern is with animal ethics?
>>686759648
stop eating bait pls anon
>>686759693
Ya, you vegans are so much more educated and eloquent than everyone else. I wish I could be like you, so enlightened and righteous.
>>686759648
you should go climb mt. everest to prove how superior your diet and health are
>>686757258
>healthy being vegan
>>686759694
Kekd
>>686759858
>price
>it kills animals anyway
Why do the majority of vegans smell of patchouli oil and whine like bitches (pic related)?
You veganfucks, if your ancestors could meet you they'd be ashamed. They'd probably tie you up and take your things, and you can't fight back because you need protein.
>>686760108
I was more thinking of eggs, wool, and dairy products.
First of all, it's not THAT expensive on account that they don't have as many chains to go trough, and you don't waste money on meat, so why don't get some eggs and milk?
>>686759872
whatever
>>686759885
>climbing everest to prove a diet
climb it yourself, since you have a better diet eating meat
also, swim the entirely pacific ocean as well
>>686760446
Meat eaters climb it all the time you retard.
Your brain needs fuel.
http://www.npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-diet-made-us-smarter
/thread
>>686759858
i can't speak for all vegans, but in my view a locally slaughtered animal is still a slaughtered animal. i don't really see any way that's more ethical.
i'm not really one of those "lemme waste all my dosh on organic shit that tastes the same" types.
>>686760446
http://time.com/4344556/mount-everest-death-climbing-vegan/
>>686760586
DAIRY PRODUCTS, wool, eggs, you cunt.
>>686760271
> milk
any kind of non-human animal milk is not good for humans
humans are the only animals that eat milk when they are adults
> eggs
chicken is killed within 2 years of its life, when they actually live for almost 20 years
>>686760173
>slow
kek
i've honestly got no idea what patchouli oil smells like. i'm generally told i smell like clean laundry or baby powder, but maybe because i'm not opposed to bathing like that fuckwit.
We've been hunting and eating meat since we existed
>>686760878
>baby powder
Do you work as a male prostitute/rentboy?
'Oil or talcum'?
>>686760708
>altitude sickness
>1 vegan died
>lots of meat eaters died doing the same
what?
>>686760752
chill, nigga. my page hadn't updated to see you replying to someone else.
same deal anyways. local doesn't mean humane.
No one has greater compassion than a hunter. To take a life that you know you are going to consume yourself. To stick the knife in and end its suffering swiftly. There is no greater compassion.
>>686760878
If you get told what you smell like, it means you stink.
Reasons to not be a vegan:
You are a goddamn omnivore.
If you stop eating meat the BBQ is still going to smell good.
Reasons to be vegan:
We are with to many people on the world to feed everybody if we want to eat meat in the proportions that we are currently doing.
I will never be a vegan but I don't throw away food.
Don't even start about being vegan = being healthy because that is BS and you know it.
>>686761062
Percentage of vegans dead: 100%
As long as you can sign both of these:
-I allow animals to suffer and get killed in non-natural way
-I allow the earth to be polluted and wasted
And of course, you should also make fun of those who don't want to sign this, because its fun and they're just stupid vegans, right?
>>686759506
You don't have to explain it to everyone you meet, we dont give a fuck. The fact you feel that need is part of what makes your kind so insufferable
>>686759803
I don't think you're deluding yourself, but neither am I. They will die whether you eat them or not, they can be made to die with a rather natural amount of pain. It's only barely within the capacity of a cow to understand freedom, and it's really not complex enough to take it's loss so roughly. They are not capable of a great life beyond what is possible in captivity, dying doesn't really leave very much undone. To me there's really nothing unethical about the concept of eating much lower complexity animals.
>>686761141
not when they say that you smell good
>>686761266
enjoy your proofs
read this:
>>686758277
you just don't want to change your mind, i'm not losing my time with you anymore
>>686761266
>>686761062
but muh memes dude! and some french couple didn't feed their baby!
>>686761288
You idiot. Your house was built on the homes of animals that suffered. That's also why internet exists. So if you really gave a shit how about you go live in the fucking woods m8
>>686760905
You clearly don't understand what "hunting and killing" means nowadays? Educate yourself.
>>686761288
>non-natural
Actually that's a very natural way. Animals do it all the time.
>>686759885
you idiot, a few days before she died this guy climbed mt everest
>>686761516
>dat circlejerk
>>686761141
you might be retarded, anon. try bathing and wearing deodorant. you might get compliments too someday.
>>686761690
>66% vegan death rate
>>686761527
It was, but it isn't necessary anymore. Now we have the chance to raise our food ethically, and that gives us more food (you understand trophic levels right?).
Am i still an idiot, or is it now you?
>>686761685
Animals raise other animals to live in a cage, where they feel and hear the anxiety and pain of other animals? get bed-sores, infections and painful measures along their life?
>>686760861
Actually, most adult humans can't process dairy. It's mostly white adults who can process dairy products. And it was developed and turned out to be a huge evolutionary benefit for their cold, dark climate with long winters. It tastes good, and it a good source for nutrition in a concentrated way. It was used by soldiers during the wars America has been in as a good compact product to keep them healthy and have been very beneficial for them.
Chickens have on RARE occasions been reported to live as long as 20 years, a more common lifespan is 10 years.
And they don't always get killed in organic production, some of the small farmers I know have regular jobs, but have pigs and cows and chickens as a hoppy for fun because they love animals and sell what they can harvest as organic food.
>>686761069
No it doesn't but you can still buy from humane producers, do some basic level investigation into your local producers, many of them even allow you to come visit them and check shit out.
>>686761826
Pretty sure you are still an idiot.
It has nothing to do with your knowledge of the energy flow though.
It has everything to do with your selfentitled attitude of look at me being better than you.
Honestly the whole world would leave you guys alone if it wasn't for the fact that you have to go and smear YOUR lifestyle in OUR faces all the time.
I don't care.
Do what you want but, let me live my life.
>>686761304
that's bullshit and you know it. i go to a party and turn down a pizza and everyone wants to know why. should i say i'm vegan i get everyone asking "what do you eat?" and "oh, i could never do that".
>>686761288
>he actually thinks he has an effect against this
>he actually thinks he's changing this
>>686761324
>natural amount of pain
what the fuck man
imagine a world that when you reach 30 years old, you are killed in a "natural amount of pain" to serve as food
>you can't do anything to change that
>you cannot move in your entirely life from your home
>you cannot see sun
>they remove your teeth so you can't hurt other room mates (like they do to chicken removing their beak)
>they rape you for milk production
>they steal and kill your children for meat production
> and more kind of this things
>>686762153
You go to a party that I'm at and turn down a pizza, good, more for me. Like I give a fuck why.
>>686761690
1 dead vegan, hundreds of dead non-vegans.
the only way to win is to not play the game
>>686762153
When I have a vegan friend over I arrange something without meat.
But she doesn't feel the need to tell me she is vegan every now and then. She doesn't demand weird shit and she doesn't ask me to change my lifestyle.
Also if someone would decline pizza I wouldn't ask them why.
I'd just enjoy the extra slice.
>>686761826
A lot of things you use everyday still have an effect on animals. And new homes get built every day that will one day house vegans like you.
>>686762127
Is this damage control now? You are just making baseless accusations of me.
And by the way, what if a pedophile told you this:
>Honestly the whole world would leave you guys alone if it wasn't for the fact that you have to go and smear YOUR lifestyle in OUR faces all the time.
>I don't care.
>Do what you want but, let me live my life.
If you were perfecty comfortable with the situation, you could just justify back why you eat meat, without losing your shit / generalizing all vegans as the same. But i think that you are just ignorant, and don't really want to face the situation. And that makes you an idiot.
>>686761814
>1/2
>66% rate
>muh maths
do you really think that your food makes you more intelligent?
>>686762593
So you're saying that just let it go, if you can't make it 100% right and ethical?
>>686762620
I take it back.
You are not an idiot.
You are beyond help and should slit your wrist.
If I eat meat I don't harm any fellow humans (not a cannibal and all).
The fact that you even try to stear the discussion in that direction only proves that you
A) Have nothing of value to say so start spouting nonsense
B) Actually escaped a mental hospital and found a place with internet.
>>686762782
>>686759648
there's literally only one plant that can provide complete proteins, and not enough in servings to hold a healthy diet.
vegans are delusional in thinking that they are healthy without supplements.
>>686762884
No. I'm saying if you're gonna try and change how we live our lives, you gotta make sure you're pretty fuckin perfect.
>>686758924
>a vegetarian that eats fish.
Why do some animals deserve to live but not others?
You say "I'll have no chickens or cattle or pigs killed so that I may eat, but fuck those fish, kill 'em and grill 'em".
I legit want to know.
>>686760861
milk is actually very beneficial to human adults. not sure where the fuck you got your information from.
ITT: meat eaters spouting shitty flawed arguments as if they haven't been stomped a million times already
>>686763397
>implying both sides aren't spewing bullshit at the moment.
>>686763331
bruh, he's a pedestrian. don't feed into the preachy vegan meme.
>>686762326
Yes, it would be a fucked up thing to do to a human. That's why I don't eat humans, or dogs, ect, even cows/pigs are cutting it almost close. Maybe you'll get what I mean about complexity if I compare your argument to people who talk about abortion like it's exactly the same as normal murder.
>>686763021
Ok take care, i guess in your world they put people to mental hospitals for saving earth and caring about animal rights
>Inb4 i'm smearing my lifestyle in your face
I don't see the problem if i do this only in a vegan thread.
What if I were to keep a cow on an open field with all the things necessary for comfortable living, and when I slaughtered it, the cow literally never felt pain?
>>686762326
>>686763556
also let me restate, I am for much more humane conditions for animals in captivity like this.
>>686763042
oh you just tried it yourself?
okay
then answer me why am I vegan for almost 7 years and I don't have any health problem
dude, there are other vegan people that doesn't know what to eat
and other meat eaters that doesn't know as well
> hearth problems?
> bones problems?
if they are eating a healthy diet full of milk, cheese and proteins from meat, why is the world so affected by those disorders?
vegans should really kill themselves, especially John Sakars.
>>686763371
is it?
> osteoporosis drinking milk and eating cheese
> where is all my calcium going?
>>686763173
This made me kinda angry, i admit. Just like dropping meat and some other products is useless and stupid unless you watch where you step to avoid killing ants. Don't compare diet to a lifestyle.
>>686763958
>>686763970
How we live also includes what we eat.
>>686763681
the questions are:
> why do you have to feed the cow
> why do you have to spend more money and resources on growing the cow, if it would cost less money to plant your own food
> why do you even have to kill the cow
> why do you have to spend even more money on processing the meat
> why do you have to spend even more money on keeping the meat in correct conditions
with the same amount of food you are growing your cow, you can feed more than 3 people
>>686763755
you don't have health problems that you KNOW of, especially since you're only going on 7 years, protein deficiency shows up as mental deficiencies (you wouldn't notice yourself becoming unstable) hair, nail and immune system issues (becoming sickly more often).
>if they are eating a healthy diet full of milk, cheese and proteins from meat, why is the world so affected by those disorders?
heart problems are 9/1 a cause of eating in excess.
bone problems are a cause of not enough nutrition (not enough calcium and vitamin d).
and before you pull the "well so and so ate alot of dairy and still had bone problems". genetics faggot, some people developed bone issues because of their fucked genes.
none of it has anything to do with them eating meat, so get fucked.
>>686757258
>pray to god
>my soul cries
>entire essay on why he feels bad about eating animals
Lmao, but really I have quite a bit of compassion for animals. I am just capable of recognizing that the world is a cruel place, it's part of human nature to want to eat meat. There isn't anything wrong with killing animals for food, it's a natural part of the food chain.
You could apply this train of thinking to vegetables, just imagine all of the plant life vegans have destroyed. They feel no compassion for anything that isn't cute and furry, when have you seen a vegan defend insects from extermination?
>>686763818
if they'd just shut the fuck up about it then no one would want them to die.
>>686764363
But to change what you eat doesn't have to change how you live
I agree with you that some vegans go too far with their diet (lifestyle at that point), and try to make everyone vegan
but then again, think about this: >>686757258
i hope it makes it atleast easier to understand these people, so you can ignore them / calmly get away
According so vegans, all lives should be valued the same, except for insects.
>>686763958
because faggots like you think that only calcium maintains bone density.
>but doc, I drink milk and eat cheese while I sit my fantasy at home, how can I have osteoporosis?
vitamin D deficiency is a large contributor to osteoporosis, especially in people who get enough calcium through dairy. this isn't a dietary issue, it's a laziness issue.
women loose calcium through periods, frequently not replacing it.
>>686764465
>2010+6
>this guy still believes vegs are short of protein
lmaoing @ your life
>>686764717
said no vegan ever
>>686764465
that I KNOW 'cause I go on periodic checks to doctor
you don't know my medical conditions and life style
>>686764381
Because the cow will supply a whole family + a bunch of other people in one go with really good nutrients.
veganfags just dont get it. how can you really love something without wanting to eat it? how could you not want to be one with the thing you love? to me eating someone is much more intimate than sex or simple friendship, its the ultimate proof of love. vegans dont love animals.
>>686764575
like they should have had shut up about human slavery?
>>686764844
unless they take the proper supplements and eat one specific plant everyday, they are protein deficient because they are not eating COMPLETE proteins. there a difference.
>>686764575
Does someone have the version of this, where it says: "When you hear that someone is trying to save the planet and reduce pain and deaths of other living things" or something
>>686764963
exactly anon, there's just something sexy about literally eating out a cow
>>686764844
>un-ironically using the current year argument
What a faggot
>>686764899
your doctor doesn't take frequent CT or full body scans, gaurantee it. so get the fuck out of here with that excuse.
>>686764717
or fish. fuck those delicious fish.
>>686764963
A cow does nothing but shit and fart all day and I'm supposed to love it?
>>686757994
Badass
>>686765133
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein
>Proteins derived from plant foods (legumes, seeds, grains, and vegetables) can be complete as well (examples include potatoes,[10] chickpeas,[11] black beans,[12] kidney beans,[13] pumpkin seeds,[14] cashews,[15] cauliflower,[16] quinoa,[17] pistachios,[18] turnip greens,[19] black-eyed peas,[20] Kasha, and soy[21]).
>Inb4 its wikipedia its wrong
>>686764908
>wait years for growing the cow
>the humans you were trying to feed are already dead
wtf man
meat production:
>land wasted
>resources wasted
>global heat increasing
>>686764963
eat your dog
>>686765277
how do you know he doesn't?
dude you don't have any fucking idea
I don't agree with vegans. But when I hear a vegan say "I'm against zoophilia because I respect animals", it's at least a consistant opinion about animals, for once.
>>686765715
>comparing sexual disorders with life style
>>686765434
it actually is wrong. if you look up chickpeas, pumpkin seeds, etc individually, you'll see they are incomplete proteins. they are missing amino acids. someone lumped them all together assuming they are complete because they have MOST amino acids.
>>686764575
>I hear dozens of people come out every year.
>I hear dozens of people say they want to kill themselves every year.
>I see hundreds of ylyls every month.
>I see hundreds of hate threads every month.
>there are hundreds of threads created every day of people expressing their lifestyles.
We create one vegan thread:
>god I wish vegans would just shut up and die.
How many times do you actually hear people say they were vegans? I live in CA, probably one of the most hippie and liberal states in the US, and hardly ever hear anyone say they're vegan. You don't hate vegans. You just like following stereotypes.
>>686765845
I'm just saying when a non vegan person say they are against having sex with an animal but it's okay to slaughter entire species to eat their corpses, it doesn't make ciritcal sense.
>>686766147
when a non vegan person say its wrong to have sex with an animal*
>>686766049
Of course
the 'le vegans always talk about ittt xDDD' is just a meme.
>>686766147
ah okay, my fault
>>686765669
because regular CT and full body scans over 7 years wouldn't be done by a doctor. These are only done regularly is a health issue is suspected.
on top of that, full body scans would show up multiple misleads and non heath issues that would lead to further expensive testing.
this is how I know.
>>686757193
Suffering is part of life, I think it's really silly to be a vegan out of compassion of animals.
If you are doing it out of concern for the environment, you are a real human bean and a true hero
I am what you call a "market vegetarian" as in I do not by meat but I do hunt, fish and raise tilapia and crappie in my Aquaponics system, I produce most of my own vegetables too.
>>686766402
as I said, no fucking idea
>Vegan
For what reason? And please don't harp on about the 'poor animal', because there are two very important things to consider about animals:
>1) Those animals you love so much would not hesitate in eating you if successful and given the chance under survival scenarios
and
>2) Thanks to systemic breeding/slaughtering, the animals that are on our menu are guaranteed to avoid extinction. Humans have a use for cow, sheep, pig, chicken, and as such we will always abundantly breed them. If we were to develop a taste for Panda or Tiger, you can bet your ass they would soon be out of the endangered category and bred in droves.
Vegans fail to comprehend the benefits we contribute to the animal kingdom by subjecting species to be part of our diet. On top of that, the vegan is doing their body a great disservice by avoiding lean meats and other animal made produce.
>>686766499
lol nice rebuttal. this is what I do for a living, I know that you haven't received these every 6 months for the past 8 years. therefore you have no idea if you are experiencing any adverse health effects from your diet, especially within your brain and immune system.
>>686765576
the people at the shelter refuse to give any more dogs to me though.
>>686766037
But they do have all necessary amino acids, kid. That's why that diet exists.
>>686766591
Considering that a large portion of living species on the earth already disppeared because of us I don't think it's very wise to assume that overall we helped animals avoid extinction
Aristotle says to pity those who lack compassion, as they know not the power of empathy. To better understand the drops of water that comprise the ocean, analyze how each drop interacts with each other. By studying the group, you can learn much about the individual. A quick aside, Sam Harris sums up veganism better than i've seen anyone do it.
>>686766591
>1) Those animals you love so much would not hesitate in eating you if successful and given the chance under survival scenarios
Yes chickens and cows are pure bloodlust lmao.
>2)
So there are either a) animals we use . b) endangered species. Do you honestly believe that ?
>>686766445
>Suffering is part of life
yes but it can be natural, or developed
>>686766794
>7 years
>no disorder
>1 full check per year
>>686766049
They have their own party in our government.
There are plans to introduce a meat tax.
Restaurants are required to have a varied vegan cart.
Please tell me how they never flaunt their veganess.
>>686766147
nobody is slaugthering entire species to eat them atleast not anymore. then we wouldnt have any more of them to eat. a little to late for dodos and most of the ice age megafauna, I wonder what they would taste like. today rare animals are just hunted to extinction to help give some chinks an errection.
>>686766591
I don't eat meat because it tastes disgusting. Don't get me wrong, of a chef created the perfect roast I'd be tempted. But the whole thought of eating a once living creature kind of sickens me. I don't feel compassion for the creature. Just the thought of ingesting muscle. At least vegetation is a simpler system. No real brain. I have a tendency to over think things. My major downfall, really.
Nice first world lifestyle you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
>>686766912
individually, no they do not. only one plant does and it's none of those. so until you can provide me with it in a realistically accessible variety, get out of here with this vegan bs
>>686766591
2) Thanks to systemic breeding/slaughtering, the animals that are on our menu are guaranteed to avoid extinction
Would you want to live your life in a cage, suffering, full of anxiety? Would you want to be reborn like that?
> On top of that, the vegan is doing their body a great disservice by avoiding lean meats and other animal made produce.
Don't say shit like that if you are not going to prove it. Give atleast some valid reserachs, that aren't funded by meatfactories
>>686767194
hate to break it to you, but you have the cancer.
>>686766591
Tiger is extremely expensive and sought after in traditional Chinese medicine.
It's even bread by the Chinese government,
Still incredibly endangered.
Are you fucking stupid, do you have any idea how hard it is to raise warm blooded carnivores anywhere near efficiency?
Name one endothermic carnivore we raise for food, with the exception of the bluefin tuna which is taken from the wild as juveniles and ranched with wild sardines at a 15/1 feed conversion ratio at best, also incredibly endangered btw.
You are beyond retarded
>>686767483
>that aren't funded by meatfactories.
any proof provided to you fucks will be considered biased and funded by "meatfactories" simply because you don't want to believe it .
>>686767645
*bred
>>686767276
Nobody is doing that anymore because we realised how dangerous of a behavior we had, and controlling the breeding of the remaining animals to meet our needs isn't much more reponsible. don't minsunderstand me I love meat, but it would be quite hypocritical of me to say that I give a shit about animal condition and that we prevent extinction or some other lie just because I'm nice with pets
>>686757258
That's an emotionally unstable person. Something has to die in order for something else to live. Plants hooked up to EKGs show they have responses, too.
My problem is with how the animals are treated during their lives, how humanely they're killed, and the respect for their lives when consumed. For instance, I freakin' HATE eating contests. I am uncomfortable with anthropomorphized animals advertising themselves as food (like a cartoon pic wearing a toque holding a platter of sausage). But I know this is my personal windmill, and don't initiate the topic it up in real life.
>>686766049
Bullshit. I live in California as well and fucking hear it on a daily basis. But that's not where the hate derives.
Vegans are universally hated because of their smug and impractical notions of morality and health. Life isn't Disney movie bullshit-- if Idon't eat Bambi, some other animal sure as fuck will. Humane treatment of animals? Have you seen how a pack of lions treat their food humanely? They start by chewing on the asshole of their prey...half the time before the damn thing is even dead.
Let's not even talk about the human biologically evolved to eat meat as part of the diet. Or the evolutionary advantage of being able to eat a wide variety of protein sources. The creatine and other amino acids missing from a meatless diet...
Let's talk about human responsibility now. We ARE the top of the food chain. In most places on the planet we have displaced the natural predators of the area disrupting natural populations Because of of this I imbalance it is now necessary for humans to fill that void to cull herds.
>>686767396
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905294/
About complete proteins
>Vegetable proteins, when combined to provide for all of the essential amino acids, provide an excellent source for protein considering that they will likely result in a reduction in the intake of saturated fat and cholesterol. Popular sources include legumes, nuts and soy
>Soy is a complete protein with a high concentration of BCAA’s
>>686767225
>gays also have their own party.
>almost everything has it's own political party.
>the meat tax probably has little to do with vegans, and just the government wanting to make more money. Like the tobacco tax. Or sales tax.
>restaurants are also required to have wheelchair ramps. Are crippled people also flaunting their way of life?
Adjusting to peoples lifestyles to make them feel welcome isn't the same as flaunting. Jesus man, do you really think everything has to do with being better than the next guy? You're way too competitive.
>>686767396
Are you retard?
Half of the world lives off of rice, beans, and corn
>>686768083
Wanting to adapt to new fads like more vegan =/= as getting fined for not having a vegan dish.
>>686768002
you just proved me right. I'm not sure what you're arguing for. individually they are not complete with the exception of a plant that in high quantities causes health issues itself (soy).
complete plant based diets are not realistic and cannot be achieved without tech thrown in.
>>686767946
Yeah, but lions dont raise the bambi to live in a cage and suffer for years before they kill it. It lvied a natural life from birth to death.
>The creatine and other amino acids missing from a meatless diet...
Wrong again. You won't miss anything, unless you just chew some carrots and onions. Educate yourself.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905294/
>Vegans can do anything!
LMAO
Yea but when morality is subjective and the crude truth of life is that you kill to eat and survive, it doesn't make a difference. I dont think wasting meat is right, which is why mass manufacturing of meat is messed up. I dont think torturing animals is ok either. But when push comes to shove, you can digest meat for a reason.
>>686768306
Meat in high quantities causes health issues too. That's why you take nothing in such high quantities. And you could just eat lentils, quinoa, beans, kik-peas etc.
>>686768154
>arguing survivability in regards to health and quality of life.
typical vegan fucks, don't worry about your health, just as long as you seem full.
>>686768394
>you can digest meat for a reason.
This. Coincidentally why we have incisor teeth, meant for cutting and breaking apart meat. The problem with the vegan is that he thinks that humanity is a foreign agent, an intruder that rapes mother nature--as if we are not part of nature itself.
>>686768482
quantities of the plants needed to meet a protein sufficient diet require you to eat way too much.
eating enough soy for complete proteins will hurt you.
eating enough meat on the other hand, will not hurt you. over eating it will.
>>686767946
You're so full of shit. Come back when you have a real argument. Not this bs stereotype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWcWu_hXNXE
All your answer lay ahead.
>>686768627
We also have useless hair on our hands. Does this mean that we freeze to death if we shave them off now, when we can?
NOW you can choose to be a caveman or a person living the year 2016.
>>686768302
Hey man, if you don't want to pay the tax then you can choose to go vegan. You sound like a child.
>I can't get what I want and I'm not willing to adapt.
>>686768651
>quantities of the plants needed to meet a protein sufficient diet require you to eat way too much.
eating enough soy for complete proteins will hurt you.
You really think im buying this just because you say so? I have done my own research on this, so give me some valid researchs
I'm a vegan and I used to feel that way, but nobody cares so I just gave up. Now I just let my niggers be niggers so they can eat their fried chicken without me whipping them
>>686762326
Oh you forgot the part where cows are fucking simple as shit. Humans are far more complex and the understanding of your death would be psychological torture for 30 years until you die. Cows have no perception of this
>>686758924
I hope you only eat fish you catch, shame if you don't Our oceans need a serious break
adding on this >>686766445 here is another reason why I think veganism is silly
Veganism cannot be applied effecintly on a global scale. Without animals closed loop food production is off the table and we are left to rely on sythetic fertilizers when we could be getting animals as a by product of producing vegetables and use their waste for fertilizer.
>>686768872
Completly pulling an answer out of your ass and not discussing what is being brought up.
You sure are a massive faggot.
>>686768484
I'm not a vegan
>>686769013
yeah and you know it very well, they don't suffer as us for their entirely lifes not being cappable to move from their emplacement
>/clap
>>686768811
Wow, you argued that point like a 15 year old kid high off of YT videos. Of course we wouldn't freeze to death, but the point is that the homo sapien is geared towards meat eating. It's why we have teeth that can chew it, why our digestive systems can ingest it, and why our body immediately goes to work and makes use of the protein and iron when consuming it.
I'll ask you a question, why should we stop eating meat? We live in a time where the livestock is not only killed humanely, but also live humanely until death in most 1st world countries. Said animals are in abundance and have no worries about extinction.
So tell me anon, what's the problem in buying a nice bacon cheeseburger and chowing down?
>>686769283
The environmental impact is too great, unless you are buying local cattle produced the right way.
>>686769478
Well lucky for me then, my butcher only sells meat locally attained from rural farmland in my small ass town in Scotland.
>>686769574
That's good to hear, I have no qualms about that.
Just wondering do you or anyone else here for that matter try to consider environmental impact whenever you buy anything?
>>686768811
We evolved to eat meat. Just like with the hair, we've gotten to the point where we can create anything we need. I'm a meat eater. But I'm also a futurist. I believe that the way I eat is archaic, but I'm not gonna jump sideways when the foods of the future are right on our doorstep and forward is the direction I need to go.
You tried Soylent? I picked up 2 days worth online to try.
Shit like that isn't for everyone, but the food of the future will come from a pouch or a pill. Not an animal.
>>686769093
What's there to discuss? You aren't really making any sense anymore. You're getting fined because of the meat. It has nothing to do with vegetarianism.
Your argument: "I not willing to pay extra for meat, but I also don't want to live without it. It must be the vegans fault.
You sure are a complete faggot.
>>686765124
>ill say it again
Humans are complex creatures with the mental capability of feeling psychological torture.
>>686769283
What about the extinction of other animals due to habitat destruction/ fragmentation, eutrophication and climate change caused by the production of those animals?
>>686768872
Wait, are saying we should eat vegan or get taxed? This is what I say about the electric car industry. If you don't drive one, you should get a pollution tax.
>>686765174
Leave
>>686769283
Because in the past we had the chance to choose what we eat, with all that technology and education? Ofc you ate meat back then. You can't even compare us now and back then.
>So tell me anon, what's the problem in buying a nice bacon cheeseburger and chowing down?
You really don't know how much meat production pollutes earth? How much land gets wasted (trophic levels), how they treat animals in big meatfactories?
> Said animals are in abundance and have no worries about extinction.
So you would be happy to be reborn to live in a cage, getting infections, bed-sores, all kinds of measures (removal of teeth, ears, tail..) and all the anxiousness that comes by hearing all that screaming and crying of other animals 24/7?
>>686769901
Pigs can outsmart dogs and chimps. They have the social understanding of a 4 year old.
>>686759858
>paying a higher price for an animal that still dies while simultaneously buying something that is worse for the environment and resources than factory farmed
wew
>>686768083
>implying you have the choice of being crippled
>>686769947
No. I'm saying there is an alternative. If you're incapable or unwilling to pay the pollution tax, you still have a choice to go electric. It has nothing to do with the electric cars initiative.
>>686760191
>implying only meat or dairy sources contain protein
>implying they would not also kill meat eaters based on your logic that we are not practicing things they did such as child sacrifice and rape
WEW
>>686770048
>reborn
Kek
>Pro-tip: when trying to convince someone to agree with you don't try to apeal to emotion, most people don't care beyond themselves and their imediate family, that's just the way it is.
Try to relate the environmental impact of meat production to their life. you can't make it an us vs the environment issue, that's where environmentalism has failed. You need to emphasize that their quality of life is directly dependent on the health of natural systems.
But I don't know if that will help you as veganism isn't the most environmentally friendly way to do things.
>>686757258
i'm vegan but i still lack compassion. i mean i love my pets but i'm not in constant pain because of the awareness that billions of animals are being killed by humanity.
it brings me joy that eating animal products kills us humans. i can't wait till all the non vegans die from their horrible diseases :)
i went vegan because i had a lot of injuries and i wanted to make a fast comeback in the gym
>>686760585
>meat based diet also contributes to any cholesterol related disease such as ED or heart attacks
nice cherry picking there
>>686770283
Wait, how is local and organic worse for the environment?
Meat produced in a closed system with vegetables is far more efficient and environmentally friendly than vegetables produced alone.
>>686770389
No. I literally didn't. You don't choose to be vegan. When you go vegan it's because the alternative is impossible for you. I love bacon. What I wouldn't give to eat another piece. But I love animals more. I don't care if they will eat me when I'm dead. It's their choice. Just like it's mine not to eat.
>>686770048
Holy shit this is the third time ive read a vegan post that compares humans to lower complexity animals.
Stop doing that, humans have high level comprehensive skills that allow us to respond emotionally to a situation.
>human being held captive for eating
Oh fuck im gonna die, what about my life? What about my well being? Wont i be able to experience anything?
>Cow captive for eating
I am a cow. Hey look, grass.
>>686770253
You can drop that argument asap that would be really cool.
>>686770920
Takes more resources to raise the animal, emissions are much higher as well.
>>686757258
>Trying to convince me
>"soul cry"
gtfo faggot
>>686761690
Naturally had to tell everyone they're vegan
>>686771035
Yes, you literally did. You asked if crippled people are flaunting their way of life. Let me spell out your flawed argument for you. Crippled people have no choice in walking. They NEED a wheelchair ramp to enter a place of business. Eating a steak is not IMPOSSIBLE for you. You just CHOOSE not to. Do you see what the word CHOOSE means in this context? You CHOOSE to eat plants. A crippled person does not suddenly say "i dont wanna walk today, im crippled".
>>686757193
>>686757258
It's funny tho. The much sensible you get about the animals, the less empathy you start to feel about humanity. I do voluntering, I've seen suffering on people's eyes and if given the chance, most of you guys couldn't care at all. I feel pity for the human and the animal condition. If a living being feels pain, fear, starvation or kind of suffering I feel pain. You don't. You guys, which are the one that are always yelling "ANIMALS EAT ANIMALS TO SURVIVE, BUT WE ARE EVOLVED", are the real animals. You would sacrifice another human being if that would mean saving the life of a cow. And thats, to my own eyes, is a behaviour that would horrify even an animal. Our lives are not the same. I refuse to put on the same spot the life of a kid to the life of a chicken. But you won't just understand, so I hope someday you'll find yourself in a situation where you would have to chose the life of your child or the life of another species. Maybe by that time you'll understand what does it means "Our lives aren't equals".
>>686771249
Actually that's only in factory farming when that applies.
In a closed loop system animals are feed off of some of the vegetables you produce and your vegetables are feed of of the waste your animals produce.
It's by far the best way to do things.
Vegans are compensating for the fact that they are morally insignificant and politically powerless by boycotting animal products. Since this individual action will never stop animal cruelty, veganism is just a form of self-deprivation that some people do to feel superior to other people who are, in reality, no better or worse than them. It's a safe little "rebellion" usually undertaken by privileged white people, who are scared shitless of doing anything that threatens their social status but who nevertheless feel guilty for how easy they have it relative to third world people who can't afford meat and would love to eat it.
Prove me wrong.
Fuck you and your b8 thread. This garbage is posted non stop. You faggots are worse than tumblr.
>>686771707
>I don't understand it. Therefore it must be a choice.
>>686768344
>Lions don't raise bambi to live in a cage
>It lived a natural life
Humans are part of nature. What else would we be a part of?
>>686772586
>humans are part of nature
+1 will to live, thank you
>>686772586
We're self-proclaimed as higher than nature simply because we're more advanced.
>>686772877
Is a lion any less natural than an amoeba? It's far more developed.
>>686768154
>Half of the world lives off of rice, beans, and corn
And meat.
>>686772877
That's basically what make us on the top of the evolutionary chain. The moment chickens will start talking and showing some sort of self-aware I guess we'll start show them the same respect we show each others. I would love to have a chicken pet, naming him Jerry and have long convo about life with him. But sadly we can't. We have the upper hand on nature.
>>686772039
I hope you win the internetz that is at stake here, Good Sir Anon, for you truly deserve it.
>>686772877
No. Simply because we're cultivated. Nature and culture are mutually exclusive, remember?
>>686763331
>>686769042
I enjoy fishing so I eat alot of what I catch.
the production of fish has a far lower effect on our environment than the production of meat. It's easier to maintain a balanced diet for me if I eat fish, and I haven't eaten meat in 19 years. I get that they decimate the fish in some places, but where I live, most of the fish is caught without having that big of an impact on the ocean.
>>686774242
Discussing on a discussion thread, I must be mental
>>686757258
Absolute garbage. All of it.
>>686774406
>Nature and culture are mutually exclusive, remember?
You never established that point, remember?
>>686757193
nope
poor attempt to manipulate people through their emotions.
give me a real reason to give up meat, not whacko fringe philosophy and emotional guilt tripping, and i might do it - i say "might" - so don't hold me to that.
Vegans are subhuman
> couldn't survive without vitamin supplements
>the earth physically could not sustain a vegan diet for everyone
>Humans only evolved more than their ape counterparts because of cooked meat consumption- more calories, easier to eat, as a result, an increase in brain size and vice versa for the jaw
prove me wrong
>>686757193
There are no vegans on the internet
Tl;dr post your broccolis or gtfo
>>686757193
i had recently read somewhere that vegans are deluding themselves.
it seems that in today's society it is impossible for a vegan to maintain a strictly no animal diet?
so why do they even bother?
