Aren't the Americans war criminals? Remember WW2 when we
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Aren't the Americans war criminals?
Remember WW2 when we deliberately bombed TWO civilian targets with weapons of mass destruction killing more than a 200 thousand people, mostly women, children and the old?
Is there any way that DOESN'T fall under the category of a war crime?
I'm familiar with the justification/excuse that a land war would have been more costly but does that really change anything?
If ISIS dropped a nuke in washington and new york to get americans to surrender would it be justified because they were avoiding a drawn out conflict?
It had to be done
>>686620896
Well no it didn't. There are always choices.
America never signed the Geneva Convention
America did those acts BEFORE such things were considered War Crimes.
>>686621013
Please consider the Soviet Union was days away from invading Japan,and the US had the same idea. Unless you wanted a THIRD Communist-Democracy split nation.The Japanese anyway were quite keen and vowed to never surrender, indoctrinated civilians threw themselves off cliffs rather than submit to foreign power.
>>686621219
....sorry does that change the nature of the act in some way?
>>686621340
Right, so we slaughtered a hundred thousand non combatants ourselves.
sorry, i missed the part where you explaned how it wasn;t a war crime
>>686620740
we are the war criminals?
the Japanese Emperor God ordered his pilots to start taking meth and commit suicide. He lost the war and refused to give up. It was 200 thousand Japs or it was gunna be +200 thousand Japs along with another +100 thousand Americans. We nuked his country and he still didnt want to give up. We had to make Japan sign a treaty including the clause: 'your Emperor isn't God incarnate'.
No we arent war criminals, we warned him what we were doing and we spread word in Japan exactly where and what we were going to hit to give people a chance to leave. JAPAN KNEW WE HAD NUKES WE SENT THEM FOOTAGE. They had their chance. And look at them now. They turned the largest food source on this planet into a dead zone. We should have turned that entire island into glass.
And btw, you don't invade anyone's Homeland on foot, look how Vietnam and Korea turned out.
>>686622239
Let me see if i can sum up your argument:
>the japaense leadership/military did bad things
Therefore butchering women and children is not a war crime
>We gave them fair warning
Therefore butchering women and children is not a war crime
>A land invasion would have been costly
Therefore butchering women and children is not a war crime
That about cover it?
lol
>>686622557
yep, and if u dont see your own life as more valuable then ur enemy, u end up taking meth and dive bombing them, ur both dead, and the species goes extinct.
are you trying to tell me the japs were right? that they deserved to live even tho they were killing themselves? dont be silly. OH WAT UR SAYING IS THAT ITS WRONG TO KILL CIVILIANS, WELL TAKE THAT FOOD OUT OF UR MOUTH ASSHOLE, UR CHEWING ON A LIVING THING AND IT DOESNT DESERVE TO BE MASTICATED.
>>686622239
this fred gave you really butthurt son eh!?
warcrimes still dont justify other warcrimes you dickhead murican faggot
>>686621013
>there are always choices
yeah like war or not go to war. unfortunately in whatever instance you are referring... we went to war
>>686622557
Do something about it faggot. You cant stop America unless it kills itself first
>>686620740
>If ISIS dropped a nuke in washington and new york to get americans to surrender would it be justified because they were avoiding a drawn out conflict
no because they are not a UN recognized nation and made an official declaration of war
can't play in the game of war without the above.
yes remember that it is just a game and it has rules
>>686622017
Yes it does. It means legally we cannot be held accountable for anythingt hat happened in WWII unless someones forces us. And that is unlikely considering our spending.
>"You are going to vote for my daddy in November, right anon?"
>>686620740
It's summertime again folks..
I'm no history nerd, but I think I remember one of my history teachers talk about during WW2 Japan had also invaded China, would take their women and skewer them from the vagina up. Shouldn't that be a war crime?
>>686623283
'its wrong to use violence to stop violence.'
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listen up sonny, its called the lesser of two evils. i know u think everything is a special flower and that those civilians didnt deserve to die. but that decision wasnt with us, every general in the japs army wanted to give up. Only one person stopped that. The war criminal was, and always will be the Emperor that didnt want to admit defeat (like you right now). People were going to die, when u invade a homeland the civlian's get weapons and fight. Easily 20% of those bombed were males of fighting age. So I am gunna cut ur number down by that amount, dont say 200 thousand, say 180 thousand innocents. And 180 thousand innocent japanese with 20 tousand guilty ones is better then even one American life, because we were provoked into fight, meaning we were innocent concerning involvement in the conflict, they attacked us, we wouldnt have been in WW2 except for pearl harbor.
You stupid faggots forget that war has casualties, who honestly gives a shit, nobody is gonna make America own up to it so until then its up i the air as to who is in the wrong.
>>686623177
Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You think the wholesale slaughter of innocents is an acceptable price to save soldiers and i don't
>>686622093
Estimated numbers of casualties for Japan would have been in excess of a million civilians if the US and Russia had invaded by land instead. I'd say killing 140,000-200,000 people is less shitty than a million people. Besides Hiroshima and Nagasaki were considered strategic military points. It ruined Japan's war logistics
Is this going to be yet another daily thread made by yet another anti-american faggot?
>>686623865
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
Japan then and Japan now are very different.
>>686623446
Go to war and defend your home, or not go to war and become a cuck as your people and bombed to death while you surrender.
>>686620740
you have to consider the intentions for the act and not just the act itself
anyone who tries to squeeze "morality" out of war (or love) is just kidding themselves, morality dies during war because war is the ultimate manifestation of nature, and morality is the ultimate negation of nature
therefore morality and war are opposite to one another and cannot exist in harmony, all participants of war are expected to act immorally
>>686623512
Whether or not they're official players in the game has nothing to do with the rational behind the action.
>>686624137
or go to war and then still get bombed to death, including women and children?
man we sure showed them
>>686624093
Much like the US then and the US now are different.
>>686621013
Not really, anon. The fact we had to bomb them fuckin TWICE proves their dedication. They had dug in on the outlying islands and stifled US naval progress.
At least those fuckers knew it was coming.
Can't say the same for Pearl Harbor.
You wanna pin a war crime on someone, try Churchill for Dresden or Japan for Unit 731.
You clearly know fuckall about history or geneva protocols, so go read up on that instead of advancing ill-informed bullshit on 4chan.
We've already got those banana posting fucks to contend with.
>>686623555
...uh no. The fact that it was not technically illegal at the time does not in any respect change the nature of what we did...
>>686623865
Absolutely.
And?
>>686620740
USA kills tons of sand people,
i live in a sand people area in France
and i thank you very much for the job, keep going my dear slim and clever american brothers
>>686624372
Read literally any other post in this thread and its convincing you why the fuck it was a lesser of two evils. You spineless pacifistic types dont know jackshit about history.
>>686624035
So we were afraid to fight a land war and we chose instead do glass thousands of women and children.
Sorry, still not getting how that's not a war crime
>>686624430
And OP is trying to give Japan a free pass for what they did wrong and only focusing on what happened to them. Probably some kind of weeb upset what happened to their holy land, Japan.
>>686620740
What you people dont understand and even our own people are starting to forget, is that 1 American life is worth thousands of anyone elses purely because they are American. Japan learned quickly what attacking the US would mean. We should have done the same thing after 9/11, Benghazi, and after every video ISIS posts killing Americans.
>>686624315
Unfortunately.
You're a fucking retard.
That crime specifically was made after they dropped the bomb. Please just kill yourself.
>>686624315
Nah, America hasn't done anything like Nanking.
You argue very poorly. Get an education. Take some history and some logic while you're there because your shit is remedial.
>>686624575
JAPANESE MADE WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIGHT REGARDLESS YOU DUMBASS
>>686620896
keep telling yourself that. keep telling yourself the americans are the good guys.
>>686624044
Checked.
>>686624512
Right. So if ISIS nuked washington and new york to end the conflict it would be the lesser of to evils and therefore justified, yes?
>>686625042
Well America is on its way out, so we will likely see in our lifetimes what the world is like without America looking out.
>>686624326
"Digging in" to prolong a steady path to US victory that was without question isn't a excuse to massacre civilians in a terror attack to save vastly fewer military lives.
Japan had zero fucking chance to win a war when its navy was about entire sunk and its oil nearly depleted.
This was a time saving effort
>>686623555
if we're going by whats "legal", you can go to prison for a long time just for growing weed.
>>686624843
Oh wise man, please explain to me how the US is still the same.
My whole point is a war crime is a war crime, you should be held accountable for it. Sure the punishment would very depending on the crime, but it shouldn't be excusable.
>>686622239
>you don't invade anyone's Homeland on foot, look how Vietnam and Korea turned out.
>what happened in Germany
>>686625103
NY isn't a valid military target and your shitty false equivalence fallacy is shitty.
>>686625042
We were not the good guys. Its war. People died. Get over it. Now the U.S. is a bunch of pussies cause now we are afraid of all conflicts. Such a shame.
>>686625103
Justified in the fact that ISIS is trying to win, so yes. From their perspective that is perfectly justified and exactly what they want to do.
>>686625209
Incorrect. The Japanese were instructed and more than capable of fighting us off down to the last man,with nothing more than sticks and stones. You look at War very simplistically. Japan didnt care whatsoever, just like the anon said,it took TWO Nukes. The Firebombing of Japan killed waaay more collectively, and a land Invasion that would've resulted in USSR vs USA vs IJA combat PLUS Japanese 'civilians' would've been a lot worse. In Japan,nobody was a civilian.
>>686622093
Moron, if the bombs were not dropped then millions more would have died in a land war, the bombs ended the war and stopped worse from happening.
>>686624765
You known its was kinda frowned at even then to target civilians.
They didn't nuke japan then just had a sudden moral epiphany that killing unarmed non combatants is kinda bad.
>>686624993
And so based on a potentiality we burned them alive.
Sure japan was already on its heals and running out of resources but we were afraid of what might happen if we invaded so we just slaughtered them preemptively.
All perfectly justifiable
>>686625336
>Its war. People died
yeah, youre right. its war, therefore its justified.
back then the Japs were almost as fucked up and metal as ISIS they were just more organised
They were fanatical to the extreme
They soon packed that shit up after the second bomb hit
We should do the same to ISIS, no reason why it wouldnt work again
>>686620740
its not a war crime when you give them ample notice and remind them multiple times that it will be bombed. they hid shit in civilian locations, they got warned that it will be bombed. get your shit together kid.
>>686625209
1. Not a terror attack, stop misappropriating words to bolster your flimsy "point.'
2. This "time saving effort" also mitigated casualties on both sides. Had the war been allowed to drag out, death tolls would have been substantially higher. What part of the lesser of two evils don't you get?
Are you dumb or just trolling?
>>686625570
All's fair in war, cuck. When it comes down to it, nothing is a war crime
>>686625301
So it's to slaughter the innocent as long as it gains you a military advantage? Neat.
But actually you've missed the point.
Nuking american cities in an effort to make america surrender so as to avoid a prolonged conflict. whether or not they're military targets is irrelevant
>>686625457
>>686624027
i think the bombing of japan was a tragety. i wish it had never happened. people dont deserve to walk along the street and disappear forever. children dont deserve to die a slow death of radiation poisoning while they are too young to have a reason to hate. if u dont think that the thought of that many ideas and minds being blown away like a fart in the wind doesnt bother me, your wrong. what if some scientist there had the cure for cancer? the cure for aids? what if some child there was the next world leader that was going to usher in a new era of peace happiness and prosperity for not just human kind of all life on this planet.
but guess wat. when someone punchs u in the face u stop thinking about how good a person they might be and u start worrying about all the important people in ur life and how they will suffer if ur not there to protect them. and u strike back.
just cause your too scared to push that button doesnt make it a crime for someone else to be strong enough to.
>>686625390
Would you feel that it's justified?
>>686625731
wow, such edge.
>>686620740
Mfw you don't understand war support infrastructure..
>>686625731
Exactly! War is kill the other side before they kill us. Its not keep asking them to surrender or ask questions first. If you're worried about how savage or unethical things are during war, you are going to lose said war
>>686623971
Based post
>>686625879
>when someone punchs u in the face u stop thinking about how good a person they might be and u start
When someone punches you in the face you shoot him and his whole family.
Fixed that for you
>>686625771
Ah, so now a city's validity as a military target is irrelevant when it's a fly in your ointment?
Pff.
And it's not all about "military advantage" it's about MINIMIZING CASUALTIES you thick fuck.
I've seen dozens of good explanations here but you don't seem to have the reading comprehension skills to get it. You argue in circles and employ logical fallacies in almost every one of your posts.
I hope one day you look back on this with shame.
You should.
>>686621013
like the choice we gave the japs: SURRENDER or ANNHILATION
>>686625440
In every late war battle Japan lost many times the amount of soldiers to US casualty
A country with no Navy, No air force and no infrastructure had zero fucking change to win, They already lost. It was just stalling.
The US didnt even have to invade mainland japan. They could have just kept targeting its military until it had none.
These people where not super humans. They where no even effective solders. They would have give up eventually.
There as no need to nuke anything. the US had already won.
And it doesn't even matter. Terror attacks on civilian targets to save the life of solders is just indefensible.
>>686625925
yeah, because the harsh reality of human existence is "Edgy"
not everything that scares you is said or done in an attempt to be edgy.
go be a pussy somewhere else.
>>686625906
No, i think its justified to nuke the entire middle east into rubble. The winner writes the history books
>>686626243
The Soviet Union would've invaded the Japanese Islands by itself if we hadnt dropped the bombs and annexed them ourselves. Please remember we rebuilt Hiroshima and did nothing but good for Japan afterwards. Japan never apologized for its War Crimes, Atleast we helped afterward..they surely didnt
>>686626233
my nig.
this guy fuckin gets it.
>>686620896
Actually USA already won with Japan when they throw that bombs. Also USA soldiers and gov made propaganda about Japanese calling them sub humans, 99% of posters from ww2 show Japanese people as monkeys.
Also lots of soldiers call them "bugs" because killing Japanese people should be similar to killing cockroach. In lots of interviews with soldiers they where really cocky saying that they kill them for fun.
Also USA soldiers are well known in France for rapes in massive scale. Because they though that every women after war would run to them like it would be some sort of love story scene.
Also USA airforce was well known for bombarding their friends in the field, especially when they fight in the same line with Canada, Poland and France. They are known for sinking Polish submarine, bombarding Canadian soldiers and also well known for fucking up bombarding targets(especially in Italy)
Today USA is well known for fighting sand niggers... And nothing more. For past good few years they actually didn't encounter any real army to fight. It's good to mention Vietnam war that show perfectly that USA army is really cocky and loud but even Asian fag with AK was problem for them.
>>686626184
I don't recall ever talking about the importance of military targets. So yeah, it's irrelevant.
>it's about MINIMIZING CASUALTIES
Exactly. And To minimize casualties resulting from a prolonged conflict, ISIS would be justified in nuking washington and new york to get america to surrender.
See, all you're saying is that it's ok to burn women and children alive (not to mention the radiation poisoning that followed) because you fear that fighting the battle would cost you too much.
>>686626408
Yeah, anon. For sure. A wall in Tokyo would've been fucking swell. Wonder what impact that would've had on Ping Pong Diplomacy and other subsequent events in the region.
>>686624027
Read Hiroshima. They seemed cool about it.Well, as cool as they could from getting nuked
To the uninitiated, this is Japanese territory at the day of the A-bomb.
They were hardly beaten.
The nukes had to happen.
>>686626532
hahah. this is the most flailing bunch of shit i've ever read on /b/. that's saying something.
>>686620740
Is there any way that DOESN'T fall under the category of a war crime?
acceptable collateral damage to destroy ball-bearing factories
>>686626348
So if the middle east won then it would be justified.
Gotcha.
>>686624575
Because it's simply war. You don't draw out a war, you end it. People die. Innocents die. It's war. Simple. It would have been a war crime if it wasn't done with a purpose to end the war.
>>686626667
laugh it off, champ
Truth hurts
>686626560
The fuck are you trying to say?
Are you implying a Korea-Situation in Japan is favorable compared to US-funded reconstruction and design? The Soviets didnt exactly have a good track record with rebuilding nations, e.g East Germany..which to this day, still shows its scars.
>>686626558
yeah, you did, faggot. "muh poor civies"
the fear gambit won't work here.
no one "Feared" fighting the battle, Oppenheimer and his guys made it so we didn't HAVE to fight.
you also cherry pick things here and there, but never really address your opponents. more logic fallacies. more bullshit. more faggotry.
give up kid. your high school history teacher was dumb and wrong.
>>686625600
"Dude I'm going to kill you"
well fuck look at that your dead, but I warned you! Back to the bbq!
That isn't a justification
Also wasn't the logic used during the decition to bomb it.
The fact hindsight shows that beyond all odds nuking this place twice has turned it into a pretty fucking good place to live wasn't around in the 40s
>>686626817
Right. So if you go into the city you're trying to capture and shoot every baby in the head to break their fighting spirit so they surrender then it's not a war crime because it was done with the intent to end the conflict
>>686621013
The choice was hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and Japanese or just a bunch of dead Japs.
It's war the Yanks nuked those raping cunts, twice.
>>686626558
More of that false equivalence thing with your shabby lil ISIS argument, I see.
Some people are just incapable of learning or adapting to new concepts.
>>686626147
>when someone flies planes into your military aircraft carriers and declares war on you while being part of a regime that is exterminating Jews and Chinese like cattle you bomb his country
sorry i had to make ur statement factual
>>686626789
You are acting as though there is a unanimous consensus on what is "justified". It doesn't exist and it doesn't make sense. Who cares if it was justified or not? What truly matters is that it worked. As an American, that is all that matters to me.
>>686622557
you are a fucking troll and need to go outside....
>>686622239
>And btw, you don't invade anyone's Homeland on foot, look how Vietnam and Korea turned out.
and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and and and
>>686622239
Korea actually wasn't that bad, but Vietnam awful
>>686627105
Exactly this, if the u.s didnt bomb japan, it would be on the same level as east germany.
>>686624187
i'm not condoning it.
nuking anyone let alone civillian targets.
I find it all ironic, this world is backwards.
people want peace so they start war to have peace.
the young and brave fight for the old cowards...it is stupid.
america, "pretending" to get hit with the 9/11 attacks, then starting a war with iraaqwho publically had nothing to do with those attacks, then says we are doing it because they have weapons of mass destruction.
like iraq, even if they had some don't know how to use them, when america is the only country to use them on people.....america don't know how to use nuclear power in a peaceful way!
ironic and hypocritical
>>686627114
Exactly. That's why wars are avoided. Well, they're avoided when you're a small country. Had a friend who participated in the iraq war. Told me they would rape the girls from villages. But he wasn't accused of war crime. Basically, the winning party can't be accused of a war crime unless bla bla who cares. Typed too much
>>686620740
Yes they are.
But they also won, so who would be there to charge them?
>>686626560
The fuck are you trying to say?
Are you implying a Korea-Situation in Japan is favorable compared to US-funded reconstruction and design? The Soviets didnt exactly have a good track record with rebuilding nations, e.g East Germany..which to this day, still shows its scars.
I DED NATHING WRONG!!! I WANTED EVERRRRRIEONE TO JUST KEK!
>>686626633
And you show no context
a million island with no military personal on them and the ones that do had no supplies, food or transportation to actually conduct warfare are meaningless
The US no bothering to remove every uniformed solider from every rock in the ocean because the effort would be needless isn't representative of anything but sound decision making on the US military's part.
So what could have japan done with this territory you think?
>>686620740
This thread raises a lot of questions. The most significant one being "is OP a faggot?"
I think the answer is self explanatory.
Only liberal girly faggot men use the word "war criminal" because they are too retarded to realize that war doesn't have rules and in the rare instances where some rules get enforced, it's by the party that just finished winning a war. In other words, the country with the most powerful military makes the rules. That would be the United States so how could the US be committing war crimes and if we are, why don't you come and arrest us, faggot?
>>686626532
An asian fag with an AK wasn't the problem. The problem was whiny libtard traitors like yourself who cried foul every time some village got flattened in an artillery exchange
If we had license to fight an actual war instead of having to concern ourselves with the objections of cowards, Vietnam would have been considerably shorter.
>>686624044
>hundreds of millions more lives
kek
>>686626969
You seem to be having trouble following the thread of conversation.
You said that ISIS bombing new york is different because it is not a military target.
This is not relevant to the discussion of whether or not murdering thousands of civilians is a justifiable means to halt a conflict.
Do try to keep up.
>blah blah blah, personal insults, faggot faggot
lol Cute.
But why won't you answer the question?
Is it ok for ISIS to glass american cities to stop the conflict that will continue to cost lives on both sides?
Do people pretend Japan was a peaceful loving nation during WW2?
Remember when Japanese soldiers held hands with the Chinese in Nanking?
>>686627696
>The Vietcon didnt need infrastructure to win the War
>>686627170
Because the people doing those things were definitely the women and children.
Two wrongs make a right
An eye for an eye and all that, right?
lol
>>686627571
Anon, I was agreeing with you.
Sarcasm doesn't translate well in text though.
I'm implying the exact opposite.
We don't need a fuckin Japanese DMZ and we definitely didn't need a Tokyo Wall.
>>686627916
I dont think you know what that word means.
>>686620740
The Japanese startes the war by invading China for resources. At that time the league could do nothing and basically allowed thisncontinue. The invasion was unprovoked and was purely for resources. Then US was allowed to give money to China's emperor 20million to buy some weapons. It did not help. Nankin was the murder and rape of over 300,000 civilians, Japan did all this unprovoked. US stepped in for a good cause, the bombs that were dropped almost didn't make Japan surrender, hadn't the emperor of Japan stepped in in the decision to either keep fighting or surrender, he chose to surrender, but he might have as well kept going. This war was brutal, but US had to do this to end bloodshed.
>>686627878
ISIS are puppets of America and the Jews. They'd only do damage to people no one gives a shit about, like the middle class.
>>686627150
See you keep repeating that but you haven't actually explained why you think it;s a false equivalency
>>686627177
...So your answer the question of whether or not it was ok for america to slaughter thousands of non combatants is "Who cares"
Well thanks for weighing in i guess
>>686627916
yeah I guess they could have swim from island to island with a knife clenched in their teeth to defend the palm trees and sand from the non existent US invasions of islands with no populations
>>686627517
charming
>>686627878
You're changing the rules as you go because you've got shit. That's not how this works. Rules don't change to suit your losing position.
NY is an invalid military target and "glassing it" (nice Cawadoody lingo, tiger) would be a war crime. You're clearly confused about the definition of a war crime, so google geneva conventions and UN resolutions on mercenaries and WMDs and shite like that.
It's funny to watch a moron struggle like this, then condescend to one of the two dozen guys who have just finished beatings his ass.
Good to see you're still cherry picking and avoiding any real discourse though, good job.
I fail to see the point of this thread. Japan is the best friend of the United States because we actively helped them rebuild after the War,basically saying "no hard feelings", whilst giving them everything we had. Considering what they did to the Chinese and American POWs, we went easy on them. SHut the fuck up and read a history book,Tumblr.
Would you feel just killing Hitler as a child?
>>686628512
*when he was a child
A hypothetical destruction of New York could totally tank the US economy and cripple any sort of long term war effort for many years.
Within the moral compass and strategic thinking of a WWII era military planner NYC would be a perfect target.
Pretty sure this city would have been on the shortlist of targets if the germans got nukes first.
>>686620740
Cuck
>>686628165
ISIS=/=Actual Military
NY =/= Valid Military Target
Acts of War =/= Acts of Terrorism
I could go on, but I'm sure you'll just play the shell game and tap dance around fact you're not winning here.
It's one thing to be a loser. It's another thing to be completely graceless about it.
>>686628512
I would kill him as a adult so Germany would have won the war.
>>686628266
Not at all. I am saying that time has proven beyond any doubt that it was indeed okay, and the correct decision. In your words, "Justified".
>>686628621
>NYC crippling America
>Not even the only Coastal City capable of fueling AMerica
>Not even a military installation
Fucking Norfolk Virginia is a better use of Nukes than New York,atleast Norfolk has Shipyards of decent scale.
>>686628490
lol your posts contain less and less content and more and more flailing insults.
Rather telling as to the strength of your argument.
Let's pretend the geneva convention doesn't exist (like when we nuked japan).
Now, is it acceptable to blow up hundreds of thousands of civilians to halt the conflict?
Please no more feeble deflections and pointless insults. Answer the question or stop wasting my time.
Mmmkay champ?
lol
>>686628991
People die, get over it. Morals are social constructions fam. Anon will tell you the same thing. Atomic Bombings are way more peaceful and quick than 30 years of Soviet occupation.
>>686628813
ISIS has a military and attacks and hold territory from actual nations.
this would be like saying a civil war isn't a real thing because the rebels are not actually a military
NY us a important city to the running of the entire united states.
It being gone would cripple the nation for decades.
Nuking Japaneses city's is apparently a act of war.
You cant get anything right.
>>686628848
How could it be proved beyond a doubt?
We don't know how the war would have played out.
We had an idea of what would happen but we dropped the bomb and so we're never going to know "beyond a doubt"
>>686628991
anyone who's following can see you're just lying at this point.
way to address anything in my post "champ"
>>686628897
Its a financial center.
How many bank CEOs and entire staff would cease to exist?
How many company would just no longer exsist? New york cant be rebuilt like a shipyard or a warship.
>>686629255
It ended the war almost immediately and Japan is now one of our biggest allies. There is a plethora of evidence that it was the correct decision, you just dont agree with it and that is perfectly fine.
>>686629183
ISIS is not a legit military.
NYC is not "important to the running of the entire US" and its destruction would not "Cripple america for decades"
The only thing you got right is that nuking Japan was an act of war and not a war crime or act of terrorism. Took ya long enough.
You were saying something about getting anything right?
>>686629409
Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Seattle. Unlike Europe, we actually have MANY financial centers, many of which arent even located in New York. New York would hurt,but Americas 600 billion War Machine wouldn't really care. New York City is nowhere near as important as it used to be.
t. New Yorker
>>686620740
It's simple, allies won the war. Therefore warcrimes were only commited by the losing party. If WW2 had been won by axis, the nukes would be warcrimes and concentration camps not. If ISIS wins the war, no crime done. /Thread
>>686629311
Ooo swing and a miss.
lol such a simple challenge and all you could muster was "erryone knows im winning!"
Sigh. Oh well. It's been fun watching you squirm around a simple question.
You're done, champ.
Please feel free to save face in whatever manner is pleasing to you
>>686627711
I actually don't give fuck about Asian fags and all that crapp, as far as it's not hot Japanese chick... Less people on earth is better.
My point is that USA is actually just loud and cocky, but in actuall fight they are in the same level as fucking Iceland army, and in terms of behave they are in the same level of not higher than Soviets and Nazis: lots of cheapo filled with "nation" crap and pseudo patriotism
ITT:
OP saw Obama suck off the Japanese over Hiroshima and now wants to promote bad historical revisionism with little more than an arsenal of poor arguments and petulant behavior.
Don't feed the idiot troll.
>>686629784
and now you're just repeating the lie.
you've got nothing but name calling and bullshit.
most can see this.
>>686629784
Im not even arguing with you and everything you've said has been factless melodramatic bullshit. You're a fucking arrogant cunt m8. Pick up a book.
>>686629809
American military is same level as Iceland now even, eh?
Haha. This is just getting sad now.
>>686630072
this was all i stuck around for.
had fun playing OP.
>>686630247
Doesnt excuse your autistic arguing skills. Even ironically that was depressing, a bad meme. Apply yourself, atleast make it so we hate you like an enemy,and not an arrogant child
>>686629618
The lose of any major city instantly would throw the US into a deep depression
But New yorks dwarfs these other citys by a margin.
I dont think you really grasp what few dozen banks billion dollar + banks plus the stock market ceasing to exist in a violent attack would do. The entire cost of the Iraq war down the toilet in a single day.
Fuck look at what the relativity minor houses market crash did.
Ill play devils advocate for this one.
No, Americans are not war criminals, We offered the Japanese empire a chance to surrender, under the threat of nuclear detonation, we had forewarned them.
The Imperial Empire continued to ignore the threats, even after Fat man landed in Hiroshima. These elements of war were only used in agreement with other countries, after an intense firebombing campaign. The alternative to these issues was the costly invasion of the Japanese homeland. The Japanese did fight valiantly, and should be admired as they would not surrender up until the point of the second nuclear bomb falling.
There is no real gray area in war, you either can or cant, and under the agreement of the combined countries such as Britain and China, we were able to do what we did.
The bombs never killed 200 thousand people, highest kill count is around 140 thousand. Atop of that, the firebombing campaign had already destroyed some cities within the Japanese Imperial Empire.
There is no right in war, only who is left.
>>686622557
Actually, the invasion would have killed about 2 million Japs, including civilians, along with about 1 mil US troops. We comited a war crime, just like everyone else did then.
>>686630956
"Im going to kill your family in 24 hours unless you agree to my demands."
"Sorry Officer, But I gave him fair warning"
Doesn't really hold up as being a moral justification. Even at the time it was wrong to murder civilians wantonly. Not to say that this was a purely a senseless attack on civilians.
I feel this is compounded from the sorry state of the Japanese military at the time.
They had no way to conduct a war really anymore. Their navy decimated, Their oil depleted, refinery's capture or destroy and their military fighting with WWI era equipment with minimal arms and ammunition.
Japan didn't have a chance, the US didn't even need to invade. Why did they? to force a surrender in person?
>>686631547
That is a unsupported claim
A insanely worst case senerio at best that it
>>686631880
Well, what kind of crime was it to attack Pearl Harbor when the United States was a neutral country? Or the innocent lives lost at the port when they began to bomb part of the Island?
Without warning? How about the 6 Million Jews that the Japanese Imperial Empire had simply ignored and joined the Axis powers in order to dominate the world? Russia wanted to invade, and the US wanted to invade, in fact Okinawa was taken by US soldiers.
>>686627224
>invaded Sandland on foot.
no we didnt moron, we bombed them over the course of a decade till they had no fight in them, then we walked in and set up shop.
>>686632601
The bombs killed civilians, FUCKING NORMAL PEOPLE WITH LIVES! Not the cunts deciding which country to invade.
>>686628054
those people in those countries did nothing to stop the atrocities of their leaders. if they so innocent why they let Japanese soldiers slaughter the Chinese?
>you have to let people police their own
>but when they dont u still have to let people police their own
>>686632601
I actually fail to see the point of this post.
What about those things? You want me to say they are bad?
My pressies in that post is two things
A: The attack was morally wrong
B: The Attack was unnecessary given the situation in the war at large.
>>686624186
>>686623971
/thread
>>686625487
Well fuck, instead we couldve sent cucks like you over to be grinded up by their stubborn defense. Its me or you in war, and i choose you. Dont you get it? Why are you a cuck?
Oh yes, because Japan in WW2 was soooo innocent, let's forget about the Rape of Nanjing, Pearl Harbor, the kamikaze, and every other war crime they committed. War is crime, tough shit, get over it you fucking libtard mongrel.
>>686620740
Whatcha gonna do about it? Nothing? OK then.
/thread
>>686621013
It was much easier than sending the USMC to finish the job which might have gotten more people killed in the process.
Remember guys. It was the Americans who were the real war criminals. The Americans and the British bombed civilian targets! The Japanese never did anything remotely atrocious or war criminal! We're the real monsters!
>>686632888
the Japanese also killed civilians.
They actually killed more people than the Nazis.
They acted like monsters to anything in their path, under the delusion that they could not be wrong. There's actually a fucking REASON why most of Asia fucking hates Japan.
And here it is.
>>686620896
The Russians were pressuring Japan already. It didn't need to be done. I'm American and you're still a bigger retard
>>686620740
There are no innocents in war
>>686620740
Isn't all war criminal?
>>686620740
American leaders you mean? think you'll find that war criminals are on the losing side. but just to humor you lets dig up Harry Truman and the other fuckers who made the decision to nuke Japan. if they're found guilty they'll be executed. happy now? cunt
>>686636110
no it isn't. it's inevitable and often justifiable but awful
