Being trans is a mental disorder just like anorexia. Why the hell are people supporting this man delusion?
>>686599024
i think trans is not a disorder but just a form a gay if you were born with a dick your a man if you were born with a pussy you are a girl
>>686599024
Thank you for this evidence based incredibly scientific opinion OP
>>686599775
there are trans people who are not homosexual
>>686599024
>Being trans is a mental disorder
Prove it
>>686599024
Why do you care?
>>686600193
Thank god, ftm's are sexy as fuck
>>686599024
>>686600084
It's called gender dysphoria, but it isn't considered a disorder because it does not cause significant distress or disability.
>>686599024
>mental disorder
Not according to the American Psychiatric Association.
>>686600523
>>686600614
as i said
Trans person here to say, Yes. It IS a mental disorder. But not in the way most people would think of it.
It's a mental disorder in the fact that the chemistry of the brain does not match the physical body. The brain of a male/female in the shell of a female/male. It can't be helped. It cannot be wiped out via counseling.
The only cure is to transition.
>>686599024
I believe that I am a dog, but was unfortunately born into a man's body. I have been trying to find a doctor who would help me transition to my real identity, but have been met with scorn and ridicule. I like fluffy sex and can lick my balls.
>>686600759
>The only cure is to transition.
What about death?
>>686600759
rates of suicides in post op trans people beg to differ though
>>686600759
i'm ok with that.
>>686600798
Autists who use this line of reasoning just show how retarded they are in the end. There is a pretty marked difference between gender and species.
I've seen Cis men who were more feminine than Cis women and vise versa. The only difference is non conforming genitalia.
I don't get why people care so much though, I'm Cis, I'm straight so why the fuck would it be any of my business, let people be who they want to be and leave them in peace you cuck peace of shit.
>>686599024
Because the demonstrated and scientifically-tested BEST treatment for his disorder is exactly whats been done, retard.
Oh wait, Im sorry, for HER disorder
also trans, its not a disorder, i live a normal happy productive life.
>>686600759
Imagine if they put an anorexic person on the cover of some BBW magazine or something. The anorexic girl feels overweight and chubby so we should encourage her delusion of realiy right? No? Then why give Caitlyn Jenner women of the year?
>>686599024
Why the hell do people care?
Both sides of this whole gender politics debate are mouth breathing reality TV constituents.
You are being distracted from the real issues at hand.
>>686599024
Look who it is again, ID Heaven. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to "Heaven" does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.
>>686599024
I'm trans/a trap and I think Jenner us Gay.
>>686601118
>America
>Current year
>not thinking cis-white males should decide everything for everyone
GET OUT BERNIECUCK. CANT STUMP THE TRUMP CANT STUMP WONT STUMP CANT STUMP THE TRUMP CANT STUMP WONT STUMP CANT STUMP THE TRUMP
>>686599024
I agree with you anon, Trans are mentally ill.
>>686601292
How is that the same thing? One 'delusion' is directly killing the person. The other is allowing them to be happy in their own skin.
Are you just bitter cause YOU can't afford to get on HRT so you are lashing out at a woman who could?
>>686599024
It may be a mental disorder, or it may be a birth defect. I think that this particular faggot is only doing shit for attention, and needs a blanket party.
I don't really care if he/she wants to be a woman, really I couldn't. But I cannot stand the retarded faggots who call him/her "brave" and "woman of the year". Accomplished nothing for the advancement of women in society, and gets a fucking retarded amount of praise. So many people do this shit and yet if your famous and do it, you might as well be the second coming of jesus. Fuck this
>>686601472
I don't think that bragging that you waste your unfortunate life in a stupid chat room like this lends any credibility to your argument.
>>686601292
for her incredible bravery
>>686601767
Fuck off
>>686600759
Stop with your transition meme. It should not be used willy nilly as the only way. You relize that about 70% of people who transition are still not happy. By pushing it is the only way then little Johnny who is confused about his sexualilty will think that he needs to pump himself full of hormones to be happy and then regret it 10 years later. Transitioning should only be a choice for those who truelly need it, the rest should learn body acceptance
>>686601846
Drink my juices
>>686599024
Body freedom is not a mental disorder. If anything, thinking of yourself as a static, unchanging or even natural entity is a mental disorder.
>>686601539
>Two Thousand Sixteenth Year of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
>Not realizing that Trump is a white ant clearing out the serious GOP candidates so Shillary can walk in the election
>>686601941
so if i want to be a pokemon it's ok too and not crazy at all
>>686601982
Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior was well hung. It says so in the bible
>>686602078
Why do you think this is the same thing you cuck? Do you not think women are human beings?
>>686602154
> Do you not think women are human beings?
>>686600211
disprove it
>>686602078
It's infeasible, but perfectly OK. What would be crazy is insisting people treat you like a pokemon when you haven't put an ounce of effort into becoming like one.
>>686602151
Not sure how this is relevant to the conversation but I wouldn't doubt it. God wouldnt give is only son a one inch punch
>>686602213
From a biological standpoint faggot, I'm not talking about their retarded SJW bullshit.
>>686602279
I meant well hung on the cross.
>>686601760
>lurk moar
>>686602431
It would be hanged in that context faggot
>>686602154
No but the slippery slope is real if you don't go about it right. Just look at gay movement. They went about it being as degenerate as possible instead of ta king slow but repsectfully and now slowly pedophilia is being accepted
>>686601118
Bc people like you use works like CIS men...you fucking cunt.
>>686602437
What, do you take this shit seriously?? Get a life, brush your tooth and move out of the trailer
>>686600523
> higher suicide rate
> not significant
kek
>>686602640
What so because I use language that gets across what I'm saying that is a problem? Educate yourself nigger
>>686600523
Has more to do with politics, being a tranny can cause more conflict and problems with society then being clinically depressed, but the American Psychiatric Association is full of evil quacks like that crazy sick fuck child molester John Money who spearheaded the change in classification.
>>686602558
You obviously don't understand the nuances of humor.
>>686601335
THIS
Trans people are sick people with disorders. If you don't think this is true and its normal then you're an idiot who can't think for themself
>>686602873
What's funny about God's one and only son being executed on the cross so that humanities sins could be forgiven and we might gain ascension to the seat of our father at the end of days?
>>686601335
Bodily autonomy is a real issue.
>>686602965
>If you don't think exactly like me you cant think for yourselves
top kek lad
>>686602965
> if you don't accept my assertion as true you can't think for yourself
The irony is killing me.
>>686600523
Wrong, it's not called a "disorder" because disorders are socially unacceptable. It was labeled a dysphoria to keep the not mentally fucked up people from making fun of the mentally fucked up people until more research is conducted. Look at the definition of dysphoria...Learn to fucking read. This is very similar to your autism.
>>686602259
What is Russel's Teapot?
learn how to think and then try again, newfriend
>>686603014
May the BALLS of GOD slap gently upon your chin forever, for unless you swallow His Holy Spermulum you may not be admitted unto the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen.
>>686599775
no, it's a disorder
like alien limb syndrome
>>686603261
Enjoy your 50/50 scenario of either absolute nothingness after death or eternal damnation and torture you fedora tipping neckbeard faggot
>>686599775
Whether or not trans is a disorder depends on your motivations. If someone transitions to alleviate dysphoria, it's clearly a disorder. If they do it because they think the change would suit them but they're not suffering crippling dysphoria, then it isn't a disorder.
>>686603162
I'm pretty sure almost everyone thinks autism is a disorder.
>>686603151
Do a little bit of research on the matter, not from some stupid sites like jezebel or buzzfeed but somewhere reputable
Fucking moralfags.
>>686603597
Where did you do yours faggot?
>>686603283
prrrrrrrrrrrrove it
proooooooove it
provvvvvvvvve it
PROVE IT
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>>686603399
I'll go with the nothingness, you can have the eternal torture from your loving 'god'. Name calling is a child's way to argue, by the way.
>>686603399
>50/50 scenario
This may not even be bait. I have met so many bible thumping simpletons that really see that world in black and white like this.
>>686599024
For the lulz
But don't tell anyone I said this
>>686599024
Agreed. Its no different from those who want to remove their limbs for some weird reason - they hate limbs.
Chopping a dick off is no different to chopping a leg or arm off. They're both the results of mental illness.
Why is there like 10 genders choice on FB when three (male, female, weirdo) would be enough?
>>686600193
Right behind squares that aint rectangles
>>686599024
here is the deal, Bruce Jenner went where no man should ever go, to the Kardashian family. If he didn't come out of that alive with out some sort of mentality issues then I would suspect him to be a robot or a cyborg of some sort.
Now think of being bombarded with retarded shit day in and day out only remembering the glory days of having to compete to be number 1 in an athletic event, and then snapping back to the reality that you are in a house full of whores who got famous for being whores.
What ever that man has seen made him want to transition to a woman.
>must have been some real shit.
>>686600193
You mean a male trans that doesn't screw with women or a male trans that doesn't screw with man.
Seriously how the FUCK do people think that cross dressing and wanting to be the opposite gender is NOT a mental illness? The west has supported this lie so many times that people somehow are starting to believe it. Prove that its not a mental illness and its actually a legitimate gender that should not be shamed
Pic related it's me, but I identify as black.
Civilization and culture must now yield to my own personal delusion.
I have been denied every form of affirmative action and can't get into college.
I was attacked for using the word Nigger in a club, yet I am black.
Until laws are changed I won't be shown the proper respect.
>Being trans is a mental disorder just like anorexia. Why the hell are people supporting this
man delusion?
Same reason why people support homosexuality and Bernie Sanders
Group of people support gay people = Other group of people join in the bandwagon for acceptance = more people join in the band wagon = People who don't disagree with the bigger opinion are criticized = People who do agree are just brainwashed by society's view and want to be accepted and look normal for supporting a stupid mental illness
That's liberal society for you
>>686603774
>>686603775
Why do Atheists always think they are smarter than everyone else but always prove to be clinically retarded?
>Believe in god and live by his teachings or go to hell
>Choose to believe that there is no god and live in opposition to his teachings gambling on the fact that there is no afterlife
>Leaves only two options, hell or nothing
>50/50 chance because both are uncertainties to the atheist.
>>686603775
I agree, they suck so much of that god cock that they can't see the real world
>>686603806
> Agreed. Its no different from those who want to remove their limbs for some weird reason - they hate limbs.
Actually, funny you should mention that. There are many reasons someone would want to change their sexual configuration, just like there are many reasons someone might want to remove a limb - you don't have to hate what you are to want an upgrade.
>>686600759
At what age did you realize that you were trans?
>>686601982
Take a look at this.
>>686603728
I talked to your momdad and spent countless hours performing an out of body projection to the ether plane while smoking some dank kush.
If common sense needs to be debated then I can lump you in with those sick "people"
>>686603934
male trans that doesn't fuck men and female trans that isn't into women
>>686604068
> Until laws are changed I won't be shown the proper respect.
No, you won't be shown the proper respect until you man up and transition. Pass or GTFO, your identity doesn't mean shit without physicality.
>>686599024
agreed
>>686601118
>use the term "Cis"
>Thinks people will take him seriously
>>686603016
As real as?
Climate change
Ocean acidification
Habitat destruction/fragmentation
Overfishing
The current state of agriculture
Hunger
Slavery
Income inequality
People can only be passionate about so many things, I think it's ridiculous to care about something as personal and as globally insignificant as what someone is doing with their body. So yes, I am pro boldly autonomy but I don't want to give credence to such nonsense.
>>686604369
>DO RESEARCH!
>didnt do any research
transphobes can't into logic
>>686604110
What does this have to do with atheism? I am not atheist, I know I'm not "smarter than everyone else" but I see I'm probably smarter and far less simple minded than you.
Thanks again for further demonstrating your black and white thinking.
>>686604488
> Hunger
> Slavery
> Income inequality
> problems
>>686604068
We've seen worst.
>>686604461
If you are going to debate something use the language of the discussion. Or would you rather I just scream and fling turds like the rest of you fucking chimps?
>>686604647
>>686604686
Flinging poop is the best way to claim your territory
>>686602555
>>686604645
You are smarter than me because I have faith and you don't? Sounds like an Atheist to me tbh
Why does the mention of gods love get you atheists so mad though?
holy fuck it is ugly
>>686604784
>>686604826
Jesus used to fling his poop at his disciples and they learned from him, and so on to the present day
Being transgender is just letting your fetish - crossdressing- go way out of hand
>>686604784
Post a bigger image idiot.
>>686600193
A drag queen that doesn't fuck men and is into women?
>>686604557
>Research includes listening to the brain damaged mainstream media and can't put 2 and 2 together
Call me a transphobe all you want but there are only 2 genders. The only research that needs to be done is if you are stupid enough to believe that there are more
>>686604859
You see the world in black and white. Of course I forget their is only fundamentalist Christianity, and those who don't go to your church are all atheists.
>>686605060
see this >>686604393
SOMEONE HELP ME OUT
maybe some sjw or feminist fuck can explain this to me:
There is a biological notion of male and female. Males and females have different genes, and therefore have different genitalia.
"identifying as a woman" seems to make sense on the surface, but what does it really mean? A lot of people identify as leprechauns. Some people identify as the successors of Jesus. Others identify as the human embodiment of Pikachu's dick.
I totally understand if a biological man wants to dress and act like a female, and change his name to a female's name. That can make sense in my head. But I don't understand how and why "identifying" as a woman should undermine in any way the biological definition of gender.
Unless 'trans' is just a word that means 'biological man who wants to be treated culturally the way biological females are treated'. That's fine I suppose.
Can someone please explain what's going on, though
>>686604835
What in the mother of FUCK is this???????
>>686600923
KEK
>>686605065
>This is my belief so it must be the common sense option
>Anyone who thinks differently is dumb and needs to critically analyze their thinking but I don't because these are my opinions therefor they are right
You realize this is the type of reasoning that people usually grow out of at age 4 right?
>>686601118
How the fuck does being Cis and being straight at the same time work?!
Can't balance the freaking eqtn.
>>686605248
> What in the mother of FUCK is this???????
Sweden
>b-b-but anon! i-it doesnt h-hurt anyone!!!!!!
>>686604686
>Language made up by Tumblr faggots.
>>686605234
It's all semantics.
Some people have a different definition of 'gender'
>>686603467
>Implying that the want to cut his own dick of isn't a disorder
>>686605135
When it comes to god you either have faith or you don't there are no shades of grey. You don't get into heaven if you don't give yourself over to god, this is all pretty basic shit. Its not your fault though, its the libtard government who don't teach you kids this stuff in school any more
One word : Chromosomes.
>>686604686
The general issue people(At least myself, I do not speak for people) have with "Cis" is the point that it doesn't really need to be a thing.
I am a heterosexual male, born with a penis. I occur naturally in the world, you don't need to invent a label to describe me.
"Cis" is used so you don't make trans people feel abnormal. Which they are.
For clarification, I don't care if somebody is trans. I don't refer to them as abnormal even if they are, because I have a general respect for people and it's not necessary to point something out that's not relevant. And being abnormal doesn't make something wrong.
It'd be like referring to people by their eye color on conversation. It's a descriptive trait and unless you're talking about the topic is completely unrelated to them as a person.
>>686605342
> How the fuck does being Cis and being straight at the same time work?!
>>686605342
Cis: I conform to the gender I was born as
Straight: I'm attracted sexually to only the opposite gender
I don't understand what you are struggling with buddy.
>>686605493
Bait harder
It's pretty funny how the only person you managed to ruse is a Christian.
>>686605624
> I don't understand what you are struggling with
autism
>>686605234
> There is a biological notion of male and female.
Right, this is called sex.
> Males and females have different genes, and therefore have different genitalia.
Sort of. The different sex traits are hormonally modulated, but usually genetics set this modulation into motion. You can technically have XY females through something like androgen insensitivity syndrome. Sex is binary in the sense that there are two extremes, but nonbinary in the sense that you can be anywhere in between those extremes. Most people bias heavily towards either extreme though.
> "identifying as a woman" seems to make sense on the surface, but what does it really mean?
Remember the Matrix? When Morpheus explained the concept of residual self image to Neo? It's kind of like that. If your physical body is not quite like your self-image, you might want to change it. Some people handle this difference better than others. In extreme cases it becomes a medical issue.
> But I don't understand how and why "identifying" as a woman should undermine in any way the biological definition of gender.
It doesn't gender and gender identity just refer to this relationship between identity and body reality. This is why we draw a distinction between sex and gender. One is for the body, the other is for the self-image.
A transgender person is someone who has a self-image of a sex that is not like their body's real sex. A transexual person is anyone who tries to change their real body's sex, through any means for any reason.
The distinction between sex and gender is kind of tough to get a hold of at first, but once you understand it is really useful, as it explains a lot of stuff.
You are born with certain chromosomes. Said chromosomes decide if you are a boy or girl. Now once it is decided whether you are a boy or girl you will either grow a penis or a vagina with a pair of titties. Nothing you will ever do can change those chromosomes. Nothing you say, do, or think will ever change you from being biologically a girl or boy. Now you can dress or act like the opposite gender, but you will never actually be the opposite gender.
>>686605234
The SJW consider gender and biological sex to be separate things.
>>686605493
>>686605603
It's shorthand to get across where I was coming to the discussion from as a person, IDK why all you monkeys are getting offended by it. Three letters was a bit easier than saying, man with a penis but whatever, clearly this is too high concept for all of y'all
2 ways to look at this;
A) Trans are naturally-occuring/Fine
B) Trans have a disorder/are sick
If A) - leave them alone, if they have a right to bodily autonomy they can choose to alter their body or not
if B) - The demonstrated most effective and rewarding treatment for this disorder is the gender transition process and surgeries
>>686599024
tbh isn't being gay a mental disorder? our society accepts it, which is whatever. But technically we are suppose to be attracted to the opposite sex for mating purposes. Thats from a biological stand point anyways.
>>686599024
To me its a question of freedom. You are free to refuse treatment and be anorexic, so you should be free to refuse treatment and be transgender. But bruce Jenner isn't a hero. He killed someone, and this whole transition to female thing was a PR distraction
>>686605290
Thats not the right way to look at it. There are simple statements and there are complex ones
"5+5=10, this is my belief and it IS the common sense option"
vs.
"String theory is correct, this is my belief so it must be the common sense option"
I don't mind if people think differently but certain things cannot be disputed.
Biology dictates who is a man and who is a woman, society does not, end of argument.
>>686605941
2 ways to look at this;
A) Trans deserve to be wiped off the earth
B) Trans deserve to be wiped off the earth
If A) - Get rid of all the mentally challenged scum before they disgrace the earth even more.
if B) - Get rid of all the mentally challenged scum before they disgrace the earth even more.
>>686606102
You could make a strong case for exclusively gay people having a mental disorder yes. But for Bisexual people it doesn't preclude mating so IDK
Some people are just degenerate, no need to label them with illnesses that lessen the severity of serious ones.
>>686605882
I don't get offended by it, I just don't see it as a necessity.
I also don't care why people give a fuck how people want to live their lives or who they want to fuck.
It literally has no effect on them at all. Even if you don't agree with a trans person, referring to them as the gender they choose to identify as doesn't hurt you.
It's just showing a person basic respect. It's like when your name is Daniel but you prefer to be called Dan and there's always that one asshole that refuses to call you anything other than Daniel.
People are just douches sometimes.
>>686605347
Trivia game show for gay kids?
>>686606246
hahahahahhahahahahahahhahaaha
>>686603896
>>686599024
what is that hideous creature??!?!!?!!?
even shakespear knew trannys where craycray
>>686606257
You could argue anything that conflicts with natural reproduction is a "negative trait" to human evolution but it doesn't necessity constitute a defect. Unwanted traits will eventually be bred out, that's how it works.
We used to have different shaped skulls and hobbits exsisted. If we still coexisted they would be undesirable, no defective.
Unless you can pinpoint it to a specific genetic malfunction, I don't think it medically constitutes a disorder.
>>686606246
I was having a think the other day regarding the word "natural"
What does the word natural mean? Does it mean normal or natural?
I believe the word normal is probably more appropriate whereas the opposite of natural would be supernatural, or more importantly something that cannot possibly occur in this universe.
With that logic, everything is natural
>>686605809
that was very well-phrased. i didn't know sex and gender referred to two different things, it all makes sense now
>>686606192
If Biology (a man made concept btw) is so fucking black and white and absolute on gender then why the fuck are male seahorses classed as male, they carry and give birth to the young, why arent they classed as female?
Why can clownfish change gender on a whim? Biology hasn't got shit to say on this topic.
>>686606321
The nigger girl doesn't look homosexual.
>>686606875
>>686606744
Hey buddy? Guess what? When you're born and you decide you want to be a faggot it's not normal or natural or whatever the fuck you want to call it. It's more along the lines of being mentally challenged. I mean, what kind of "normal" or "natural" person would want to go from being normal to being a disgusting sickening piece of shit? Y'knahmsayin?
>>686605815
Thank you for describing biological sex, that was very good.
But we're actually talking about gender, honey, which is a social concept. It might be a little comex for you
Let the grown-ups talk, o.k.?
>>686606875
To prove your point.
We all genetically start out as females in the womb. It is possible for men I devolope a penis and all the other associated XY attributes but their brain to stay female.
So Make to female trans people can have a physical reason for it, a female brain trapped in a male body.
>>686606744
Even worse, if you take "natural" to mean anything untouched by humanity then there's hardly anything on this earth that counts as "natural". Animals? We've applied selective pressure to morph them to our own interests. Our own biology? We've massively altered it through agriculture and medicine. Geology, the climate, the water cycle, fucking everything has been changed by humans somehow.
Natural is a worthless term.
These are my own thoughts, not any religion. This whole transgender thing is bullshit. I am all for freedom. You can be trans all you want. You can say whatever you want and believe whatever you want. The problem is when you force others to agree with you. A bathroom is a bathroom. Stop bitching at businesses to make them conform to your standards. Also, you can't force people to respect your damn pronouns. Every individual has their own idea of who and what deserves respect, so calling people disrespectful for not saying your pronouns isn't an argument for your cause. Yes, it is transphobia if they arrest you for being trans or something like that. But not letting you into a bathroom is not discrimination at all because they will let you into the bathroom of your biological gender. If I said I identified as a train, every business that didn't build railroads indoors for me to imagine that I'm a train is a bigoted transphobe. It's bullshit. In summary : Be a transgender all you want. But don't force your beliefs on others. After all, that is the thing that you criticize Christians about. And no, I'm not even basing my opinion on the bible. It's just common sense from an American patriot.
>>686600759
i think its environmental something mothers are in contact with during pregnancy
>>686607239
> The problem is when you force others to agree with you.
Hypocritical. By your own logic you should stop policing people's speech and behavior.
>>686606875
>clown fish
But see with these fish the change in sex is real and they can give birth. This doesn't happen with humans
>seahorses
Males don't give birth, they just care for them after birth
>>686607644
This clearly not knowing what you are talking about
>>686607510
Fool. I said you can be trans all you want and say whatever you want. But you can't force others to agree with you. If it doesn't violate life, liberty or property, it's not a problem. All because a business won't let you into the bathroom you imagine you should be in does not make them discriminators. Simple as that.
>>686607141
>Brain to stay female
That's not how it works, conditioning cause these behaviors
>>686601886
/thrizead
>>686601472
Newfag detected
>>686607110
>>686607197
No of course, I will agree with you there, deciding to be gay is not normal. The idea behind the word "natural" in a sense means if it can happen it will happen. So disorders are not normal and are when chemicals in the body get really fucked up but since its possible and has happened many times then it could be considered "natural", maybe an aberration to whats normal for any species of animal or plant but still a possible outcome.
>>686607851
>I said you can be trans all you want and say whatever you want.
Completely irrelevant. You also told trans advocates to stop exercising their right to free speech, and to stop advocating for their own interests. You should follow your own advice and remain silent.
>think he's a woman in a man's body
> XY ≠XX
> not a mental disorder
>>686600211
>hurr durr burden of proof
Go to hell degenerate
>>686606102
Incorrect again. Homosexuality serves an important demonstrated evolutionary role.
What a lot of people dont realize is that the individual is irrelevant to evolution. Evolution only functions intergenerationally.
Thats why mammals have developed things like fraternal instincts, unconditional love, even religion.
Even though gays might not directly pass on their genes, they make society more stable and succesful, allowing their brothers, nephews, etc to pass on more of the shared family genes
>>686606875
I've forgotten about how seahorses do that and I never knew clownfish could do that either which is interesting.
But humans are not meant to be able to do that, therefore "transgendered" people are ill people.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK OFF YOU DEGENERATE NORMIE SCUM
>>686607860
I would agree that environmental factors play a part. But I can't see someone wanting something that drastic was out at least a partial physiological reason. Whether that is a Chemical in balance in the brain or something else I cannot say
>>686599024
Honestly, I think if we could somehow show the actual figures of people who support transsexuals in their own belief, I think the statistics would be much lower than people expect. I think it's more a problem of people not wanting to seem bigoted. We live in a society where we're forced to publicly accept mental disorders like this, otherwise be deemed close minded, which of course nobody wants.
>>686608007
Haha, citation from my post is needed. The fact is I never said that, in fact I said the complete opposite.
"be a transgender all you want, but don't force your beliefs on others."
>>686607845
Females pass fertilized eggs to males. So the eggs were originally created by female and fertilized in her.
>>686607239
>Common sense
>American patriot
choose one
>>686599024
Same with pedophilia
>>686608200
>But humans are not meant to be able to do that, therefore "transgendered" people are ill people.
Who decides what humans are "meant" to do? The CEO of heaven, Mr.God himself? Mother Nature?
Somebody should have a stern talk with humans about them breaking the rules.
>>686608324
>Honestly, I think if we could somehow show the actual figures of people who support transsexuals in their own belief, I think the statistics would be much lower than people expect. I think it's more a problem of people not wanting to seem bigoted. We live in a society where we're forced to publicly accept mental disorders like this, otherwise be deemed close minded, which of course nobody wants.
Or you could just tell people it's a mental disorder
Luckily they all kill themselves
>>686608518
well yes we could, but as I said the public opinion is already against this. no matter how much you tell people, youre still FUCKING A WHITE MALE, so to speak
>>686608438
Well I do hate the state of my country right now, but I still love my country and want to make it great again. I am also a nationalist in the way that I think our leaders should put America first. I'm also an isolationist.
>>686602777
trips dont lie.
>>686608478
Simple biology, a trans man or woman can not produce offspring as the their desired form would. Animals that can change gender like fish can. Fish don't need a doctor to create the dick or vagina that they want/need.
>>686603467
This. If I had enough money, I might pay to become a girl, because I really want to, not because I'm suffering. This doesn't make me mentally ill. If I had dysphoria on the other, hand, that would be a mental disorder
>>686608360
> The fact is I never said that, in fact I said the complete opposite.
"Being transgender" isn't the same as a trans person exercising their right to speech or free association. It's simply a state of being. So no, you said no such opposite thing.
> don't force your beliefs on others
And your examples of this were completely bullshit. There is no actual forcing of beliefs upon anyone. I cannot go into your brain and re-wire your neurons.
In fact, let's go through your examples
> so calling people disrespectful for not saying your pronouns isn't an argument for your cause
It's also not "focring". It's requesting. Ostentatiously, but it is still a request.
> But not letting you into a bathroom is not discrimination at all because they will let you into the bathroom of your biological gender.
And asking to use a certain bathroom isn't forcing anyone to believe something. Neither is using the democratic process to change the law.
>>686599024
it's so liberals have something to pat themselves on the back about
>>686608835
lol
>>686604835
I like how the black girl is the only one normal.
>>686608787
Appeal to nature fallacy, with a side topping of anthropomorphising nature. Unless you can prove that nature is conscious, it cannot mean or intend for humanity to do anything. Our biology is a blank canvas, a foundation upon which to build. Not destiny.
>>686599024
Exactly and that makes tranny supporters newfags and not people that hate them newfags
>>686608478
That's a very wrong way of thinking. The 2 genders rule still applies, transgendered people have issues with their biology but are still either men or women.
Humans have evolved and they have evolved in a specific way. That has determined how our genders work, plain and simple. Across the board you will find that men are stronger than women. There may be the strange cases where this is not true, that is an outlier. Society shapes our values, some values are considered right by some people and other values not. Society however can't change biology. If we were all clownfish then yes, all this leftist gender fluid rubbish would be correct but we aren't clowfish are we?
>>686605015
you just got memed my friend
>>686599024
Saw in my local news yesterday (south west England) that a local person with gender identity disorder is wanted for apparently trying to rob a shop with a toy gun.
If gender identity disorder still exists according to doctors, how the heck are they differentiating between that and people who they think are just born into the wrong gender?
Would gender dysphoria be more likely a chemical disorder or psychological disorder? Or both?
The real question is. If we devoloped a pill that would make somebody okay with being sexually attracted to the opposite gender, I.E. Heterosexual.
Would you force gay people to take?
Same question applied to trans people.
>>686609064
Kek, no matter how much you try you won't be able to truly change sex or procreate as your new sex. So yes this part of nature is set in stone. That's why trans people need surgery and hormones to try to change sex unlike fish who do it naturally
A)Trans are o.k./natural/not sick
OR
B)Trans are mentally ill
If A) - they're regular people with a right to bodily autonomy. They can alter their body however they want (tattoos, piercings, surgeries)
if B) - It's been repeatedly demonstrated that the gender transition process is the treatment that lead to the best patient outcomes
>>686609147
>That has determined how our genders work, plain and simple
This is true, and it's the reason we can even use hormone supplements to alter the secondary sex traits.
> There may be the strange cases where this is not true, that is an outlier.
So?
> Society shapes our values, some values are considered right by some people and other values not.
Which is exactly why what we are "meant" to do being in any way based on biology is complete rubbish. I can be born entirely male, but it can't stop me from becoming more female through my own interventions.
> f we were all clownfish then yes, all this leftist gender fluid rubbish would be correct but we aren't clowfish are we?
Alright, here's your problem. First off, you're not differentiating between gender and sex, so of course you'd get confused. Gender fluidity is about expression, self-image and presentation. Beyond the subject acting on that gender fluidity and altering their sex, it has nothing to do with our discussion about being able to change your sexual reality. If we're using gender here to mean sex and sex alone, then we cannot discuss "leftist gender fluidity" at all, because we're using ambiguous language.
Again, this is why it's so important that we don't falsely attribute ethics to nature. Clownfish show us that changing sex is possible, humans have this feature as well but it is incomplete.
>>686609712
> Kek, no matter how much you try you won't be able to truly change sex or procreate as your new sex
Irrelevant to "nature's intent". And probably false as well. There is nothing in the laws of physics prohibiting a complete sex change, so it's only a matter of feasibility and technical capacity.
> That's why trans people need surgery and hormones to try to change sex unlike fish who do it naturally
Also completely irrelevant. The fact that trans people can change any part of their sex through technology means sex change is possible. You need not achieve perfection to extract value.
It's not enough that gays can now get married, adopt kids, get on their partners insurance plan, a receive tax benefits, but now these freaks are fighting to take a piss in the restroom of the gender they identify with. I honestly think being Tran is a mental disorder. Trans people who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on surgery to look like the gender they identify with is no different than a women that does the same thing to look like barbie because she's obsessed with her looks.
>>686610052
>The fact that trans people can change any part of their sex through technology
this isn't possible and will never be, they can only change their appearence not their genetics
>>686610427
Why does it matter?
If somebody wants to transform their body. That is their right. Even if it's stupid or you disagree with it, it's not your choice to make.
>>686610647
> this isn't possible and will never be
I have bad news for you - genetics get changed every day by hundreds of trillions of viruses. And humans have been able to do it in a lab for at least a decade now. We've gone from random genome blasting to precise edits using guide RNA and proteins like CAS-9. It is only a matter of time until the sophistication increases until we can change whatever we want about a person, sex included.
>>686604835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw72yWC-UvI
>>686610427
I honestly think thinking trans have a mental disorder is a mental disorder
see that? no one cares.
you're just another special snowflake, being offended by something doesnt give you special privileges
>>686601613
>happy
>suicide rates of post-op people
kek
>>686610651
because most of /b/ consists of autistic man-children
>>686601724
I agree
>>686611352
I'm fairly confident that I have absolute no effect on the what /b/ consists of. I lurk 99.999% of thr time and am only posting now because I'm waiting for X-Men to start.
Literally nobody gives a fuck what I'm posting.
it matters because they're extreme radfem man-hating psychopaths, posting stupid shit all over tumblr and twitter about cisgender oppression
They are clearly extremely unbalanced and shouldn't be humored with their stupid (and literally crazy) opinions
>>686601982
OH MY LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
TRUMP PLAYED US ALL FOR FOOLS.
>>686611445
true as fuck
>>686600281
his pepe is got a weird boner and accidentally jacking off to traps has gotten boring now
he wants the D all up in his B
>>686610052
The outliers point is important. Using an argument that has already been made; some people want to remove their limbs because of mental illness, should we fulfill their wish and remove a limb? Some people are pedophiles, should we fulfill their wishes and let them destroy the minds of young children? Some people have chemical imbalances that make them want to be the opposite gender, should we fulfill their wish? I personally don't think so because of what I have heard regarding suicide rates because of the regret having the operation causes but thats just me.
You can do everything you can to make yourself the opposite gender through extremely extensive changes but at the end of the day you are either a boy or a girl, if we put language aside our species is not capable of going from male to female and vice versa, you may be a feminine male or masculine female but there are no other genders/sexes/whatever you please other than male or female for humans. Being on the extreme end means you are ill refer to the first point made, society should see it no other way.
The point seems to be getting diluted
>>686600927
kys first
>>686599024
Because genital swap surgery and hormones are far easier than whatever neurosurgery is required. The rest is just a formality
>>686602789
>uses cis
>uses nigger
I'm confused.
>>686610987
But if you understood DNA you would know we would sooner be able to mutate your DNA to turn you into another species before we could conceivably change X and Y chromosomes to make you biologically become the opposite sex.
>>686601724
>"brave" and "woman of the year". Accomplished
this faggot mad
>Why aren't calling me woman of the year, huuuu
>>686603537
I can confirm, because I am an asspie
>>686602607
found the pedo
>>686605809
If Sex =/= Gender then gender doesn't exist
>>686610052
>irrelevant to natures intent
Kek, natures intent for humans was for males to produce sperm for females eggs. If it was nature intent for trans humans than the sex change would happen naturally and not by the hands of a doctor
>nothing in the laws of physic
Kek, what about the laws of biochemistry?
>>686611919
I disagree that it is necessarily an illness. Motivation and reason for the transition is important. Being 'extreme' isn't enough because the truth isn't democratically elected. We need to measure based off of suffering, not how 'extreme' someone's body change is.
For the cases where it is an illness:
> some people want to remove their limbs because of mental illness, should we fulfill their wish and remove a limb?
Only if we can show some kind of palliative benefit. This doesn't usually happen.
> Some people are pedophiles, should we fulfill their wishes and let them destroy the minds of young children?
No, because this involves multiple people and as such conflicting rights. If you could show palliative medical benefit, a simulation might be acceptable.
> Some people have chemical imbalances that make them want to be the opposite gender, should we fulfill their wish? I personally don't think so because of what I have heard regarding suicide rates because of the regret having the operation causes but thats just me.
HRT shows much, much better rates of improvement than surgery, but regardless, surgery can help. Obviously we're not talking about curative medicine here, but there's a reason that a doctor actually has to prescribe these things in the case of dysphoria.
Why does whitey want me to r8 his dick and contribute to trap threads?
>>686612080
I made no claims to timeline or feasibility, only claims of possibility. Call me pedantic if you like. You'd be right of course, but I don't mind.
>>686612491
> Kek, natures intent for humans was for males to produce sperm for females eggs
Nature is a chaotic force and does not have intent.
>>686603399
how can a loving god hate someone, you faggots want to preach forever love like some broken child withheld chicken mcnuggets after being good
>why mommy! you said if I didnt be bad i get chiken nuggies
What did these retarded trans people do in the 1800s? How did you deal with it then? Oh yeah thats right people weren't as dumb back then cause there was no internet to allow it.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
http://www.yspp.org/about_suicide/statistics.htm (4th bullet)
http://thedailycougar.com/2015/02/13/transgender-suicide-rates-rise-make-deaths-mean-something/
Make of these what you will.
>>686602838
>problems with society
>is on a pedo board
>>686612764
Actually nature is very organized, you are not just a chaotic mixture of molecules
Trans are mentally inflicted gays.
Just be a fag with other fags, no one cares you're a fag. Just don't cut your dick off or take hormones. It's literally just body modding.
>>686613053
>totally missed the point
>>686613135
this guy gets it
>>686605486
>the want to cut his own dick of
>want to cut his own dick of
>his own dick of
>dick of
>>686599024
Because every view of reality is as correct as the other. If someone thinks that they are trans, then they are. The are exactly correct as someone saying they are straight. There's no inherent difference.
It's self-mutilation. I'm glad I don't live in times where men have to prove their manliness all the time but holy fuck men are being celebrated for castrating themselves
>>686603597
>claims research
>is autism
>>686613283
No you missed the point. Naturally humans do not change sex, it's a cosmetic change made by another human. Unlike fish who change sex naturally for the success of their species.
>>686601472
The newfag in this one is strong
>>686613369
Yeah there is. Modern day idiocy allows people to choose to be trans whereas in the stone age or any other era you were either born as a man or woman and thats it.
>>686604068
>says nigger
>expects to not be attacked
its nigga on the streets
>nigger in the sheets
>>686604104
>I eat dicks by the mile
I'm sure you do buddy, now get on your knees and stop talking
>>686599024
It's interesting, it would seem that your group of people only agree with scientific consensus when it benefits your agenda.
It seems to me that disagreeing with scientific consensus simply because you dislike the implications of the consensus is extremely childish. If you wish to change consensus, provide evidence and the scientific community will jump onboard.
But until then, you probably should calm down.
>>686600923
So edgy
>no trap porn pics
weak
>>686613946
Get out
>>686608950
its because europe is trying to make its white populace into cuck faggots (as seen in this video)
>>686604110
>a book written by shillsis the onnnlllyyyyway
troll-city baby
>>686602262
Again, why would it ever matter? It's not like a realization of identity thwarts your ability to live life.
>>686600523
>because it does not cause significant distress or disability.
I'd say a significant distress would be necessary cause anyone to mutilate their dick.
>>686602259
Take your shitty burden of proof argument elsewhere.
>>686614145
>>686613135
The reason tranny suicide rates are so high is because we refuse to treat them because it's offensive. They go get operated on, are unhappy they have no dick and then kill themselves. Or they can't get an operation so they kill themselves. Or they're unhappy with how their body is ugly with or without hormones so they kill themselves.
>>686612506
Refer to the outliers point, the genes dictate the individual and external influences carry effect as well. If pedophilia is encouraged and not seen as an illness then more pedophiles will come out and more will breed making the gene or gene combination more common, the term mental illness or disorder is a label made by society but it typically describes someone who is very different through gene makeup and upbringing.
If HRT helps them achieve their opposite gender then why is it not being used in the inverse to help them to accept their gender they are? It makes more sense to have HRT making you more masculine if you have a penis than going the other way making you want to cut it off.
Its now getting more into personal opinions but I still will say that for humans there is only male or female. There may be some sort of other gender in another 1 million years but that is the time for this discussion and not now.
Quoting the initial comment:
"Trans people are sick people with disorders. If you don't think this is true and its normal then you're an idiot who can't think for themself"
It still holds up
>>686614373
sure, that faggot is hot, but that's because it's a pornstar coated in makeup.
also sauce.
>>686600759
And the "transition" is purely cosmetic. It's a sham. (and a shame)
>>686606621
>non-rhyming poetry
It's called prose, you fucking retard.
>>686599024
because she supports Trump!
>>686605015
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>>686601118
> There is a pretty marked difference between gender and species.
It's a shifting baseline. This is the beginning of the end for America. Read up on the fall of Rome.
>>686606875
Wewlad, weak arguments again
>gender does not necessarily equate to sex
>>686603467
BDD is a mental disorder and treated with anti depressants and behavior therapy. Sure, if someone wants to chop their dick off and get some breast implants to "be more feminine" more power to them, but it doesn't change who they are deep down. They're a male, plain and simple. As BDD is a mental disease, so is being Trans.
You're not a woman trapped in a man's body, you're a feminine man that has a strong desire for feminine features.
>>686614102
Where is the scientific consensus? This is all social consensus, psychological classifications are considered a medical art, in this case it is not science based on empirical research.
>>686610427
>no different
It's "no different" only because you said it was, and I might add, rather reasonlessly.
>>686614818
true - end thread
captcha - select all images of tea. no images of tea...
>>686601941
Really? Using cosmetic surgery to make believe you're the other gender is reality? Is a trans going to bear children? Stop taking hormones to support the delusion?
>>686602555
People worried about what gender or label someone has and these idiots are our future fml and everyone elses
>>686614373
it would be my personal prostate jerk aid
id love it forever
>the second it became unattractive.dogshovel
>>686614882
>how to Bodily autonomy
literally every field of thought agrees, in the next 100 years humanity will not last if rights are prevented and gender boundaries are dissolved.
>>686614882
Psychology is considered a science
>>686614481
> If pedophilia is encouraged and not seen as an illness then more pedophiles will come out and more will breed making the gene or gene combination more common
That seems like a pretty weak link. Nothing is stopping a pedophile from procreating, stigma or not. More importantly, current medical philosophy is not about enforcing norms or making people socially "correct". It's about alleviating suffering. This is why patients are generally allowed to choose their method of treatment and refuse any treatment they deem unacceptable.
> If HRT helps them achieve their opposite gender then why is it not being used in the inverse to help them to accept their gender they are
Because that doesn't work. It worsens the symptoms. Even if it did work, you can't force a patient to use a particular treatment.
> "Trans people are sick people with disorders. If you don't think this is true and its normal then you're an idiot who can't think for themself"
It holds up under some circumstances. Only if we're discussing dysphoria sufferers and not all transitioners.
>>686599024
Cuz in Zootopia you can be whatever you want, CUNT!
>>686612335
obviously
>>686614818
>They're a male, plain and simple.
Okay, but besides their chromosomes or whatever, what does that even mean? If they look like a woman and sound like a woman and act like a woman, what difference does it make if they're "really" a man? Why do you care?
>>686602607
The cake is a lie anon go park your van somewhere else
>>686599024
>>686599024
How to prove than trannsexuals are really faking it:
>1. Deny psychology is science
>2. Deny sociology
>3. Disregard studies
>4. ???
>5. Profit?
>>686599024
i dont get it either. im full fledged liberal socialist, but trans are disgusting. crossdressing is fine. but the moment you start having fucking surgery to alter your appearance, you clearly have a mental deficiency. yes that includes boob jobs for hetero females
>>686602789
>use works like cis
>works
Anon can't even prof-read how intelligent do you really think anon is
>>686615574
>life is super simple to me
I be you cross-fit too fattass
>>686602607
>slowly pedophilia is being accepted
Maybe if you stop browsing loli, you would see the reality of the situation
>>686615574
what does cis even mean
i know it means heteronormative but like
what the fuck does cis mean??
>>686614379
I think it is also because most of society still sees them as depraved perverts whose existence is wrong, compounded by the fact that many of them are seriously fucked in their head, even disregarding their transexuality.
Those that have gotten surgery might be passable and enjoy the benefits of looking like a pretty young women, but that will be over before they know it because everyone ages, and now you are stuck as an ugly woman, probably not the fantasy these traps envisioned.
>>686615645
I suspect an unlikeable cunt.
>>686615913
Cis:
Adjective:
Someone who identifies as their assigned gender.
>>686615913
Not trans.
>>686615716
life is super simple to me. care to have any questions answered?
>>686616396
kys
>>686605015
>>686602965
>if you don't think this is true
>you're an idiot who can't think for himself
>>686616539
seriously you might not have this opportunity again
>>686605015
>>686616762
How does consciousness work ?
>>686606875
Are you retarded? Pregnant seahorses are male because they actually fertilize the eggs, this is true for every species, females always produce the eggs and males always fertilize them. Human trannies can't change their sexual function, they can only look like the opposite sex, thus it's impossible for humans to change sex.
>>686600211
if your brain thinks something else then your body. Ie Brain thinks your a boy and your really a girl thats a mental disorder.