I am a left wing liberal but I am completely and utterly embarrassed by the other people that identify as the same.
My political identity has been taken over by a bunch if whiny supposedly progressive but actually regressive faggots.
I want an extension to individual freedoms and some state control of the economy, not faggy unfair shit like quotas on the number of fucking women and ethnic minorities are on the board of a private company. And I don't like that people assume I'm some cuck male feminist because I don't believe in completely free market economics.
Too many faggots around these days.
Pic unrelated.
>>685926508
tldr, kill yourself
>>685926508
Sounds like your more towards the middle-left of the spectrum now
>The left side of the spectrum moves further and further out each year imo
>>685926508
Found a pic of you OP
>>685926775
Why middle left? I'm a democratic socialist
>>685926508
I completely agree with you, I'm a liberal middle lefty, and I just can't stand the stupid sjws and feminists making us all look like faggots.
>>685926508
Do you believe that I should have the freedom to associate with who I'd like?
>>685926508
>Too many faggots around these days
This. Plus women. Both have co-opted the left for their own personal gain.
Sickening really.
>>685926508
i agree with you but you sound like a massive faggot could you tone it down some, thanks.
>>685927613
What, you can't handle more than 5 sentences?
>>685927448
what have the jews done to you?
>>685927766
no just the faggotness
>>685927941
They diddled me as a child.
>>685927409
>middle left? I'm a democratic socialist
theres your answer, filthy reformist!
>>685926508
>/int/
>>685927941
>>685926508
hold the door
>>685926508
So you want a specific world to shit itself with nobody to enforce it. You want indivodual freedoms for yourself with no enforcer to protect others.... keep dreaming.
>>685926508
>2016
>still believing in socialistic nonsense
Kill yourself lefty.
I too understand what you're saying here, and I feel the same. Please remember that "the regressive left" is basically "our" version of the tea-party. Contrary to the Teaparty though, they are a vast minority, but scream so loudly it often seems they're quite common.
Yes, social-liberalism is certainly a thing, let's not let these regressive anti-free speech supremacist racist SJWs ruin it with their retardation.
>>685927409
>socialist
thats why you're lumped with all the other faggots
>>685926508
My take on liberal v.s conservative
Liberals have a lot of compassion, but lack the strength to do anything with it but complain.
Conservatives have strength but not the compassion to use it to enact change that will help.
>>685927409
>>685928404
PREACH!
>>685928499
more like conservatives are blocked when ever they try to do some good by a liberal
>>685928424
better than being a right-wing retard.
>muh freedoms! Not for me, but for millionaires!
>>685928687
How would that be true?
>>685928700
>>685926508
welcome to the club fam
>>685928700
this is why you fail
your strawman arguments that go nowhere and your tenancy to just call everyone you disagree with a right-winger.
Socialism is fucking stupid its literally giving control of the economy to the government which is run by fucking millionaires you twat.
A true Free market is the only solution in which everyone has equal opportunity. not outcome. opportunities
>>685927409
>SoDem
>Left
Only in Sweden where everyone's left
>>685928792
watch the news.
every time a conservative tries to do something a fucking uprising from socialist liberal feels police happens.
every time
SJWs ruined anything liberal. loud whiny bitches who missed the point of liberalism and who won't consider the other sides views, condemning anything that disagrees with them as sexist, racist or retarded.
I am on the left side of things, but don't discuss politics with anyone that I don't properly know because people are fucking stupid
>>685929280
i can;t even talk politics with my friends because they either are all right or all left and have no middle ground.
even when someone with a good idea comes along they will shit all over it if he doesn't fit with their ideology.
>>685929061
The free market is fucking stupid. (btw, its not 'free' for the average person, only the rich folk who stand to profit from a system)
In a true free market, there would be no corporations.
>>685926508
>I am a left wing liberal but I am completely and utterly embarrassed by the other people that identify as the same.
The problem is that you haven't gone far enough to the left. Socialists despise liberals, "SJWs", etc. because they're entirely counterproductive, doing nothing but feeding the reactionary fire.
>>685929216
Can you give an example?
I hate the "new" left wing. I'd consider myself left, I like the ideas of Communism and anarchism, but I know that they are a very utopian idea, and will never actual happen. I hate sjw and this new wave feminism with all their hate, cultural appropriation, etc....its all bullshit.
Tumblr and modern feminism, white guilt, all this bullshit is a fucking joke. You wanna see a real feminist? Go on live leake and watch women from the YPG fight (!) For their freedom. Western society's are so pampered whiny little bitches.
"Social justice warrior" - fucking cucks and hippies. There are people in this world actually fighting for their freedom and human rights. And these bitches get offended when you misgender them, for fucks sake. This makes me sick.
Sry when this reads like a childish rant, english isn't my first language.
I hate that being a part of the left means I have to be for accepting every illegal immigrant, Or being critical of Islamic beliefs is a bigger wrong than those asshats blowing shit up or covering women. I believe in left wing principles but SJWs have seriously damaged credibility.
>>685929680
>free market
>a system
You mean crony capitalism?
>>685929680
yea keep telling yourself that in the bread line comrade.
If you were smart enough you'd own a corporation.
>>685929695
So much this!
>>685929838
You got your message across pretty alright, foreignon
>>685929680
not him, but let me ask you a question, have you ever been without money for an extended period of time?
>>685929695
That picture is pure gold
>>685929771
HB2
its a whole shitstorm of SJW lies and slander.
when its really about businesses choosing how their bathrooms work.
>>685930097
You mean the transgender bathroom thing?
>>685929695
Socialism is a retarded system. literally giving control of the economy to the government.
dont come to me when you're children need food
>not realizing left and right are two sides of the same shekel
the game has been rigged from the start baby
>>685930273
fuck these guys too as much as socialists.
fuck off with your lame ass conspiracy theories you fat fuck
>>685929695
Yes comrade! Let's kill the rich! Throw dissenters into the gulags! A glorious communist future awaits!
>>685929945
>>685930006
Cheers comrades!
>>685930263
>dont come to me when you're children need food
>you're
Every time
>>685930341
the burger's mad!
>>685930182
yes it's a perfectly reasonable bill that the SJW left is using to push its agendas.
they use shit like this to rile up all the mentally ill children from tumblr to go vote in a fucking socialist that will drain the economy with welfare after all of the rich have moved their money to tax havens
>>685930463
have fun being raped by mudslimes
>>685930526
>a fucking socialist that will drain the economy with welfare
I would be so happy if we could just teach Americans what socialism actually means. They wouldn't even have to agree that it's a good thing and I'd still be happy.
>>685930526
It was a completely unessecary bill though. Like a complete non-issue that conservatives dug up for whatever reason.
Like it or not trans people are people too, and they've got a voice just as much as you do.
You know damn well Bernie isn't going to get the nomination, so get off that.
>>685930526
read what you just wrote....think about how fucking stupid you are...and then kill yourself in an impotent rage.
>>685926508
Couldn't agree more, my grandparents and parents are both socialists but i would be embarrassed to even call myself that because of sjw's and all that shit totally takes the piss about something im very passionate about.
>>685930461
communists these days are all edgy children trying to look like a special snowflake
>>685926508
Is this Hillary propaganda?
Vote left but like not all the way?
What in the actual fuck
>>685930700
fuck off euro fag this doesn't concern you and your mudslime friends
>>685929695
Are you from Venezuela?
>>685930726
>>685930800
I swear the American government and businesses must be dumping lead directly into the water supply. These Americans get dumber and more volatile every year.
>>685930382
The problem with 20th century russian "Communism" was, that they went from an oppressive feudalistic regime to the next oppressive feudalistic regime. How the fuck could they think this would work? Russia was a fucking moloch with lots of uneducated people. Stalin just took his chance to get more power, fuck him, but this is what most people would do, if they would have that opportunity. Communism, in my opinion, can't work in a country this big. People have to be educated and must know the basics of their ideology.
>>685926508
Pic is never unrelated.
>>685930700
Amen to that
>>685926508
as someone who hates niggers almost as much as inbred republitards I can relate to op. Whiny little sjw's are just pathetic and need to be put out of their misery. That said it will be a cold day in hell before I vote republican, especially when their candidate is a pathetic narcissistic douche-bag like Trumpie.
>>685930925
the problem with communism is human nature.
has nothing to do with the size of the country communism is flawed in that it doesnt even take into account someone else greed
>>685930273
>LUL JEWS LUL
when will all these faggots stop. Jews aren't controlling anything, They just have a greedy stereotype, that doesn't mean that they have power
Just look at Israel. They're fucking retarded. Not exactly controlling the world, just cashing guilt checks from the US and then wasting the money
>>685928369
confirmed retard
>>685928197
That's not the Jews, that's the Zionists. Calling all Jews Zionists is like calling all Germans Nazis.
>>685930800
I am OP and I am a Eurofag.
>>685930925
>Communism, in my opinion, can't work in a country this big.
Or maybe communism can never work? Every time it's tried it becomes 1984. Maybe it's not a bug, but a feature of communism?
ITT: socialists jack each other off while ignoring that every truly socialist and communist country has failed
>>685931075
>2% of the country
>40% of the wealthiest 1%
>Jews don't control anything, goy
>>685930789
I think it's more about methods than where you lie on the political spectrum.
voting republican is voting for Idiocracy.
>>685931107
Social security is bankrupting this nation, nothing more than a ponzi scheme
>>685931125
fuck off euro fag. you're country is probably shit now anyway.
>>685929912
7 billion people cannot own their own corporation. The closet thing to that, would be communism.
Do you hate America?
>>685931248
That's funny because capitalism is a pyramid scheme. Shall we do away with that also?
>>685931197
Methods of what
>>685931186
maybe if other people worked harder they'd have more money
>>685931310
How the hell is it a ponzi scheme? People work hard and are rewarded accordingly. What's a pyramid scheme about that?
>>685931310
capitalism is about work put in. you just want free shit you lazy socialist
>>685931248
thank the republicans for that one, you ignorant twat
>>685926508
i'm a fiscal conservative/social progressive....who the fuck do I vote for?
>>685931248
You're so retarded that it brings me physical pain.
Yea, social security is tooottally the main problem here. Yep.
>>685931207
I love the irony of die hard right wing republican tea-partyists voting for the most liberal democrat in their party.
Well done America.
>>685931291
you're dumber than a bag of hammers why not read what i responded to you faggot.
not everyone get a corp. because not everyone is willing to put up with the risk and work involved.
fucking dumb asses every time
>>685931067
The idea is, that if you give everything to the people, there is no reason for greed. Unfortunately our societies tell us "the more the better", so, to build true communism it would take years, maybe a century, to get this capitalistic idea out of peoples minds. You can't force it with death threats or gulags, this would fuel the hate. Just claim your ground, and who wants to be a part of this stays and who doesn't goes... I know that this part actually would be more difficult, but a better solution to just enslave and oppress the whole country
>>685931067
Not at all, people aren't as despicable as you might think.
The problem with communism is you have to be a dictator who's willing to let go of power to implement it.
That doesn't happen.
>>685931437
Bernie Sanders.
>>685931366
hard work isn't rewarded though. You work your ass for 60 hours a week and then Donald Trump fires you because someone in Taiwan can do your job for less.
>>685931437
Just don't vote, they're all fucking retards.
>>685931540
bernie sander
>fiscal conservative
you are joking right? I like the promise of free ice cream and cake like everybody else, but we need a more sensible plan to help people be able to get their own.
>>685931376
Capitalism isn;t about how hard you work, but how cheap you can work. Hence why millions of americans have lost their jobs because shit get made for cheaper overseas.
>>685931530
>everything to the people
people will always want more
the only way to produce equal outcome is by monitoring and rationing.
you would need gulags to stop people from just taking shit. laws must be enforced. you are living in a fantasy land
>>685931324
*maybe if other people had weaker moral compasses they'd have more money
Also, 90% of the News/TV/Film industry is owned by 6 corporations, all of which are run by Jews.
>>685931511
the extreme right are the only ones dumb enough to be believe Trump's bullshit. I'll give him that, he was smart enough to pander to the simplest group of voters.
He changes his views like most people change their underwear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE
>>685931324
>this is what amerigoys actually believe
>>685931136
Or the problem in this lies within the people. Its never a good idea to give a bunch of people all the power.
I know that it is an utopian idea
>>685931515
people owning their own business is a communist dream. Karl Marx 101, workers owning the means of production.
Do you even know anything about politics and economics or do you get your info off Breitbart facebook page?
>>685931698
because a democratic president got rid of the regulations that made it harder for business to outsource do some research it makes you appear less retarded
>>685931583
Then why aren't you going to night school to learn new skills so that you can get a better job? Laziness.
>>685931882
Reagan was a democrat????
>>685931760
and?
>>685931830
>Or the problem in this lies within the people.
Hey, we agree! Communism goes against human nature 100%. That's why it'll never work.
>>685931891
which one are you?
>>685931777
they put in the work you are just mad you dont have any money
>>685931891
I'm a uni student... you got yourself owned by a uni student... :LOL!
>>685926508
life aint that complicated
pick up a gun and grow it yourself
>anarchism.blackflag
>>685931978
Berniefag
>>685931743
I know. Maybe in a far future the idea of communism will work, but not today
>>685931882
>>685931945
I'll take NAFTA for 300
>>685931318
Of how you achieve your goals.
Addressing the causes of discrimination to encourage business' to make the more profitable decision of diversity in high positions is good.
Legislating an arbitrary level of diversity without addressing the root causes is bad.
>>685931891
Trump wants to make it more expensive to outsource US jobs, so I don't know why you're bringing him into it.
>>685931877
workers owning the means of production would mean one guy owns the factory while the rest work.
splitting control of one factory by however many people work there spreads money thin.
this will cause inflation in an attempt to make more money. it doesnt work.
maybe if you understood how business worked you wouldnt say these retarded things
>>685932049
anarchists are more retarded than socialists your world is a hellish mad max landscape
>>685932101
*implying Reagan wasn't a neo-liberal fanboi
>>685932298
socialism only works if we all only sleep with our own mothers
>>685931959
I never said that the problem lies within humans nature. Not everything is within our genes. Democracy, capitalism, all just rules we learned and adapted to. They go deep in our consciousness... But they aren't our nature. It isn't our nature to live in big cities, eating shitty mc Donald's and being a wage slave
>>685932071
no it will never work because people are fucking greedy by nature.
>>685926508
Liberty and state control cannot coexist.
To think otherwise invites disaster
>>685932341
uhmmm, nafta was signed by clinton....
>>685932214
You haven't understood Marx. Read his works then come back.
>>685926508
>unfair shit like quotas on the number of fucking women and ethnic minorities
sick of this shit
"the women the women the poor mistreated women" bitch please, i haven't seen a woman in distress for a very long time and honestly they're so pampered it's irritating to interact with them at all
>>685932178
u wot m8?
some people will believe anything
>>685932178
>>685926508
I'm exactly the same as you op. Grew up in a far-leftists family (in my country it means close to communist ideas) but i'm more a center leftist myself, which in may way of seeing things mean as much solidarity as possible in a pragmatic yet lawful capitalist ecomical paradigm.
>>685932349
our nature is to feed our families and stay safe. you propose a world where we are given a set amount of food and land on which to live. you are turning the human race into mindless cattle with no reason to work
>>685932545
>>685932584
You two should get married
>>685932425
Signed into agreement by President Bush in December 1992 to start January 1994.
I'll take Reagan and neo-liberalism for 500.
>>685932436
Marx was an alcholic fuccboi. whose ramblings cannot be applied to the modern world. fuck you and your nonargument
>>685932425
nope, it was signed by Bush!
>>685931978
your image is gay to a degree that you couldn't possibly be joking. if the republicans were the problem then how come the last 8 years of nigger obama didn't fix it? it didn't even go in the general direction to support your brain dead political statement
>>685932349
What this intelligent anon said:
>>685932608
>>685926508
The thing is, these people who want to ban everything and want a PC culture are not actually Liberals since they go against Liberal values. They're scum and should be squashed.
>>685932721
clinton you brain dead morons but only after some clinton style shenanigans that probably was illegal
also fuck you 4chan i'll report who the fuck i want
>>685932545
If it costs $5 to make in China and $10 in America, then any sane person would go with China. If they didn't then they wouldn't be able to compete in a market where everyone else is buying in China.
Are Bernieboys/shillaries this retarded?
>>685932608
The human race having no reason to work would be the greatest thing to ever happen to it.
Billions of people all able to dedicate all their time to improving our lives rather than simply getting by.
We'd be colonising different galaxies in no time.
>>685932678
well we were discussing his theory...
>>685932545
>be me, a widgit maker
>be competitive with other widgit makers
>other widgit makers start to outsource their production, because costs and shit
>other widgit makers start selling their widgits for less money than me, but still make the same profit, or maybe even more
>people start buying cheaper widgits because they're cheap
>I don't understand why my widgits aren't selling, they're obviously superior to the imported widgits
>other widgit company keeps selling more widgits than me
>if I want to stay in business, I must makes changes to lower the cost of my widgits, or face closing my widgit company
>I could move my widgit production to the same place as the others, and some of my employees lose their job, or I can stay where I am, and when the business closes, ALL employees lose their job
>I move my widgit production out of the country, but I wish I didn't have to
Do you understand now son?
>>685932678
Not that anon, but you are a stupid person.
>>685932952
If no one works no one eats.
you are a fucking moron do you hear yourself right now.
no one will work for the betterment of mankind if they are given everything you fucking child.
>>685932919
Nope, still Bush.
and you forget when it when through Congress,in 1993 more republicans than democrats voted for it.
>>685932998
Marxism =/= communism
read a fucking book
you are talking about an ideal world wher no one is bad
i was talking about real life communism that kills people for making a profit
children all of you fucking children
>>685926508
Yes they are known as the regressive left and are hated by all others on the political spectrum.
>>685932741
>how come the last 8 years of nigger obama didn't fix it?
"It" meaning what exactly?
>>685929501
essentially this
>>685933088
good comeback now either join the conversation with an actual argument or fuck off
>>685932913
And what are we now?
Yes we have our freedom to a certain degree, but we go to work everyday to pay bills, afford our food and holidays. I do the same and I'm happy. Communism has its flaws, so does capitalism. For me its just a dream... An idea...like I said, maybe it will work in the far future, but not today...
>>685932947
Not even slightly true when you're the only one allowed to use your brand.
>>685933305
I was talking about Marxism. Real world communism is not something Marx would have approved of.
Anyway, capitalism kills people to makes profits. Why aren't you equally complaining about that?
>>685933522
>Communism has its flaws, so does capitalism. For me its just a dream... An idea...like I said, maybe it will work in the far future, but not today...
What? When will communism ever work, outside of small hunter-gatherer tribes?
>>685932067
>>685931978
Looks about right trump faggots mad because its very true.
>>685932641
and you should get smart.
>>685930700
I don't usually comment on these sorts of things, but man: have you ever taken an economics class? A basic microeconomics course gives you most of the tools you need to just shred a lot of the statements presented here.
>>685931107
Except the part where social security is about to go bankrupt and many millions of people will get pennies on the dollar out of it.
>>685933581
>capitalism kills people to makes profits
because it doesnt fucking happen. no one is killed by capitalism. but if you have some evidence please share
if you are talking about foreign workers then thats really a their country problem not a capitalism problem.
also capitalism isn't a form of government its an economic theory that america has made work for 200 years.
>>685932947
well then you need to stop saying Scumbag Steve Trump will move manufacturing to america
>>685933784
do you have an actual argument or just memes made by some brain dead who cant even listen
>>685933150
The have no reason to work so obviously they're already eating.
>no one will work for the betterment of mankind if they are given everything you fucking child.
Tens of thousands of years of human history disagree with you on that one
>>685933530
Wait, what?
I'm probably stupid, so please elaborate on this statement, because I don't get it.
>>685933941
he will after he imposes taxes on companies for outsourcing learn to real world faggot. nothing happens overnight
>>685931698
And why do you deserve a job? If someone is willing to work for less than you, should the job not go to them? If your skills were valuable enough for the compensation you've implied you seek, then surely you'd be compensated at that level.
>>685933931
companies putting profits before people is a thing.
Also, where the fuck do you thing they get the materials to make your fucking smartphone? Out of thin air? They send kids down into mines and shit to get them.
have you really not heard of something called 'the news?'
>>685934022
you a child. everyone will just turn into fat entitled pricks oh wait already happened
>>685933931
I'm not one of those leftist fucks, but one case where capitalism kills people is in the medical industry.
Capitalism has NO PLACE in the medical field. When a business decision means that someone may not get health benefits because it may not be profitable is just plain WRONG.
>>685933452
Not much to say really.
You don't understand Marxism and clearly have no intention of trying to do so.
So I'll just settle for calling you stupid.
>>685934140
globalism 101, no matter how good you are, someone will do cheaper on the otherside of the world.
Are you really expecting millions of europeans and americans to move to places like the Philipines, Vietnam, China, etc to work?
>>685934116
see
>>685932584
what's that old saying? Oh yea, there's a sucker born every minute.
that sucker is you
>>685932436
An appeal to authority signifies lack of knowledge of the topic.
>>685934287
Word.
>>685934183
from a mine. if the country that has that mine in it uses kids thats terrible but not anyone else problem. the kid shouldnt go into the mine he has a choice.
it's not a companies problem either that hypothetical child is more than likely a full grown adult who has chosen this job.
you can't use your "think of the children" bullshit on me
>>685932678
I probably agree with you but this is a very poor argument.
>>685933805
<standard response #4>
>>685934374
I agree >>685932214 has no idea what they're talking about.
>>685933931
Weapon industry
War for oil and other resources
>>685933997
Trump is a narcissistic douche-bag who cares only about himself. He's grown bored with being a two-bit reality star and tycoon wannabe and now wants to play at being king of the world. He will say anything to get elected and has found the most gullible and simple group of idiots to pander to.
Libertarian my dude
>>685926508
well you should still kill yourself
The ones that you call liberals right now are the exact opposite of what I understand as being liberal in the literal sense of the word. Kinda ironic.
>>685934454
you should read up about western involvement in the Congo... you will change your mind. We really fucked that country up.
>>685934287
You are speaking of health insurance. you also have to pay for the treatment doctors dont work for free any where.
doctors will treat you no matter what they have too but you still have to pay.
anyone that has died because they couldn't afford a doctor means they didnt want medical debt and wanted some else to pay for it.
>>685934183
Smartphones are made from materials mined underground?!?
The fuck world do you live in? Minecraft?
>>685934605
or maybe you should
>>685934339
If they want the job badly enough, yes, absolutely. If not, then they have revealed their preference for leisure over labor in that specific labor market.
>>685934454
>starving
>poverty
>choice
>>685934325
well then fuck off.
i've read his manifesto and its all just ramblings about an unobtainable utopia. he was a fucking idiot
>>685934499
Interestingly, feudalism was close to a pareto optimal outcome. Income equality was, of course, nonexistent, but from the general equilibrium perspective it was pretty decent.
>>685934341
thats not an argument thats a meme made by another brain dead like yourself. do you have any actual arguments or are you just a retard like most socialist/leftists
>>685934683
Just take a couple of seconds of your life, look up materials and where they come from
>>685934569
so basically a democrat. The Tea Party lobby are voting for a democrat.
Don't they teach politics in america?
>>685926508
I don't think there should be quotas to meet but movement towards a proportionate representation of women and minorities in authoritative positions is indicative of a fairer society and lack thereof implies the reverse.
>>685934672
>anyone that has died because they couldn't afford a doctor means they didnt want medical debt and wanted some else to pay for it.
Are you retarded? No, seriously, are you?
>insurance company denies someone a drug that will save their life
Why?
>it's not profitable enough
Do you really think that someone would choose to die rahter than go into medical debt? Fuck man! I feel like your post literally drained the collective brainpower of the world.
You should really do us all a favor, and just go kill yourself.
>>685934901
they probably think gold comes from the jewellery department.
>>685934554
weapons do not people kill.
>war for oil
get your tinfoil hats here
get lost butthurt libtard
>>685927409
Socialism is the gateway to communism you red faggot.
>>685935041
in which he goes full retard...
>>685934569
so you know trump personally or do you just believe everything you read on facebook
fuck off middle schooler
>>685934901
>has chance to show me where I was wrong
>instead, resorts to vague statement to try to make me look wrong
When did smart phones start using diamonds and platinum in their production.
Last I checked, it was plastic, metal, glass and I've heard some gold.
>kids in mines with hardhats, head lights, and picks, mining gold.
LOL, is there a guy with a whip too?
>>685929501
Welcome to politics
Faggot poli sci major who will amount 5o nothing, probably a gay vegan too
>>685934719
every one has a choice. he should hunt for food or immigrate to a better country.
anyone who simply accepts where they started as where they are going to be forever is a no spine fucking loser
>>685935041
Just look how heckler & koch makes profits with the unstable situation in mexico.
I said war for oil and other resources... Happend in the past, happens now... I don't refer only to the US. Look at Africa and its countries, south america, Europe in the past...
>>685931136
I don't know mate... police in Cuba is a hell of a lot less agressive then let's say 'murica
>>685934841
bourgie pls kys
>>685934975
yea stop reading every post on facebook kid.
doctors save the lives of people who cant pay for shit everyday.
no one is denied drugs that can save lives you are just using the same scare tactics your libtard friends use fuck off with this
>>685935216
Sorry, I don't know the exact word for every metal they use for electronic devices. I could myself google it, but I also have to do other things... I have to work and this thread will be dead when I'm home... If you have time right now, do it yourself or do it later if you are bored...
>>685935493
a company is making money? oh no
war for resources. its like the planet doesnt have enough for everyone.
everyone does whats best for them and theirs.
everyone wants more. its a problem with individuals not the system
>>685935396
And then all the western countries complain about immigrants
>>685935631
>no one is denied drugs that can save lives
Tell that to my sister-in-law's mother...
Oh wait, you can't, because she's dead.
Why is she dead you may ask? Because she was denied a drug that an insurance company deemed too expensive.
But I know you're just trolling, so I'll stop here...
>>685935521
you are fucking dumb
this thread does interest me...
However...
>>/pol/
Cucklords
>>685935943
I've been in both and from what I saw...
>>685935903
there are other ways of obtaining drugs or money.
insurance isn't the only one who pays for things you know.
>>685935799
>Sorry, I don't know
That is where you should have stopped before.
You DON'T know, and yet you made a statement of fact saying otherwise. Then, when confronted with an actual arguement, instead of backing up your bullshit claim, you instead fabricate some need to go to a fictitious job, as a reason to not support your own bullshit statement.
>>685936002
do you regularly get the news from cuba or america?
>>685935799
you don't know where plastic comes from? Gold? Lithium? Steel? Minerals?
Did you honestly think they grew on trees?
American aren't you? From a southern state?
>>685936055
jobs are real you know. leave your moms basement and go get one
>>685936055
you rock amigo!
>>685927409
>>685927409
>>685934341
The worst criticism of Trump the left can come up with is "he might be lying"
lets recap
>communism will always fail
>socialists cannot define socialism
>capitalism is the only workable economic plan that doesnt involve gulags
>every left leaning fag should be put to death
>>685936249
I never said I don't know where they come from, sounds like you referred to the wrong post
>>685934569
Ah and he's been "playing the long game", so to speak, for the past 30 years.
Brilliant! I wish I could have such a wild imagination.
>>685936483
>Capitalism is the only workable economic plan
>Ignores the repeated failures of capitalism in the past century.
Lehman Brothers says hello.
>>685936739
>>685936739
once again a libtard doesnt understand sipmle things like individuals or personal choise
>>685936606
yes you did.>>685935216
>>685927230
Yes, yes it is pure cringe that you actually dressed someone up and took that photo.
>>685934885
see
>>685934569
>>685936249
And all of those products are obtained by children working in slave conditions?
Please! Tell me more!
>>685934772
Either you're lying or you're stupid.
>>685936855
>choise
>>685936855
I understand things like recessions and depressions that capitalism has caused.
Have you not heard of things called the 'Great Depression'? 'Great Recession'? Black Monday? Black Thursday? The crippling recession a few years ago?
if capitalism worked, they wouldn't happen.
>>685936863
That's not me... I'm the poster he replied to
>>685937087
>>685936987
>A bunch of baseless accusations
NOT. AN. ARGUMENT.
>>685937070
How often do you see Americans rigging up a bathtub to float to Cuba?
Let me save you some time... never.
>>685935206
I've hated that dick for years, at least since his shit reality show started. If he was half the man he thinks he is he might make a decent president....but he isn't.
>>685937154
Just look
>>685936404
>derp
>>685937205
I see plenty of Americans in London and in Canada though...
>>685936987
Socialists have been doing this since they changed from being communists. It's basically the milestone and foundation of socialism, and of course targetting the weak and stupid.
>>685937205
Is that considered a profound insight where you're from? Was that on your church's sign last week?
>>685937311
well thats awkward.
>>685937205
The fact that communism doesn't work doesn't mean that capitalism works perfectly or even to an acceptable level currently.
>>685937439
>Socialists have been doing this since they changed from being communists.
wha-wha-what?
>>685936433
yeah, he's a real trustworthy guy
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-investigated-donald-trump-is-named-in-at-least-169-federal-lawsuits/
http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/04/29/donald-trump-named-lawsuit-alleging-rape-teen-girl/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/05/07/judge-lets-trump-postpone-his-fraud-case-until-three-weeks-after-the-election/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-said-he-raised-6-million-for-vets-now-his-campaign-says-it-was-less/2016/05/20/871127a8-1d1f-11e6-b6e0-c53b7ef63b45_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
>>685937439
bit like capitalism then
>>685937184
>NOT. AN. ARGUMENT.
and what pray-tell is your argument?
>>685936404
learn something for once.
>>685937439
>herpa derpa doo
>>685926508
Congrats, you're a faux-liberal with edgy libertard views. Kys.
>>685938354
Aren't you late for a dinner party?
fucking nonsense.
look at how much the right whines and complains. practically all they do is blame everyone else for their problems and pretend as if they aren't constantly offended by everything the left does.
at least the left still has direct action advocates and anti-fascist street gangs going toe to toe with the establishment.
>>685937711
>http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-investigated-donald-trump-is-named-in-at-least-169-federal-lawsuits/
Anyone can sue anyone for any reason.
>http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/04/29/donald-trump-named-lawsuit-alleging-rape-teen-girl/
Anyone can sue anyone for any reason.
>http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/05/07/judge-lets-trump-postpone-his-fraud-case-until-three-weeks-after-the-election/
OMG! The judge is actually Donald Trump! ARREST THAT MAN!
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-said-he-raised-6-million-for-vets-now-his-campaign-says-it-was-less/2016/05/20/871127a8-1d1f-11e6-b6e0-c53b7ef63b45_story.html
OMG. Someone embellished something? ARREST THAT MAN!
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
OMG! He's a narcissist! He did this shit in the 90's. ARREST THAT MAN!
>>685938595
>ARREST THAT MAN!
I'm glad you agree.
>>685937439
>socialists changed from being communists
lmfao holy shit you're retarded
>>685930700
Whoever made this probably attended a european university, majoring in poltical science and/or Economics, in which he focused on the lectures wherein a red-as-the-devils-dick professor indoctrinates the students, instead of reading for himself.
80% of european universities are spawning pools for these kinds of oblivious subhumans.
>>685938845
Yeah, educated people. What do they know?
>'MURICA
>>685926508
I feel the same way when I see liberals trying to block roads or attack Trump rallies. Quite sad and very dangerous. They think they're so in the right that anyone who thinks differently is a complete racist or some shit.
>>685938845
It's exactly what they teach in American universities too.
It's funny to see all the arguing in here.
We all know that the last 100 years, American economy has been going down under the republicans and gone up during the democrats.
You cannot lower taxes and expect better welfare. You cannot lower taxes and expect the problems in society to disappear.
Ronald Reagan for example realized this. He raised the taxes under his republican presidency and suddenly the country did a bit better.
America needs democratic socialism.
Not helping those unfortunate that cannot afford help, is a very unsuccessful concept that America has proven countless times.
More then half your budget is put to military, you spend so much time "helping" (we all know the war in the middle east is because of private interests, not to help anyone) but yet you piss your own people in the face, and as stupid as the Americans are, they have their mouth open, swallowing it, believing it's good.
You have a terrible healthcare system were those who can afford it, get's great help, and those too poor are left on the street.
Your school system gives money to successful schools who don't need it, and less money to school with bad results, schools who needs the extra funding if they ever gonna recover.
You allow large companies like Monsanto, to poison the food, just so food can be cheaper and Monsanto and similar companies can make more money.
America has no interests in the needs of the regular people. Their only interest is the interests of the 1% with money. Those who get large government fundings for small projects no one but themself benefits from.
America is a great country for the person with money. Because the people with power will help you.
Yeah...
>>685930700
I think you should read up on a little basic economy before taking this steaming pile of shit you found on the internet serious. Or maybe watching a documentary about it suits you better.
>>685938917
>>685926508
You are one of these people now :^)
>>685938917
They know whatever they are told by their lecturers, this is their truth, and their validation are their professors.
Are you beginning to see similarities to religion yet?
>>685929061
A true free market wont work for the same reason. Goverment run by millionaires and so is the market.
Shit for you vs. Shit for you
>>685926508
God Damn dude. I disagree economically but it's refreshing to see someone who understands that politics doesn't revolve around social issues. I wish all liberals were like you.
>>685939428
>Are you beginning to see similarities to religion yet?
Yeah, I do. You sound exactly like a religious simpleton who has no idea how rational intellectual methods work.
>>685939183
truth, but try telling that to a republican. Facts mean little to them.
>>685939183
>people arguing hehe
>they not know what i know
>i possess knowledge superior than everyone elses.
America needs democratic socialism you say? Could you please elaborate how this is going to fix their economy?
My guess is you just have a bad case of blind ideology.
>>685939206
>implying you went to one of those universities
>>685940017
kek
>>685939932
How does a president "create jobs"?
And since when does a president control the stock market?
>>685939868
Spoken like a true socialist.
Doesn't understand the argument, attacks the person.
I'd rather see Hitler in office before people like you
>>685940017
Never said I did. You tried saying that American education was shit.
Do you even comprehend brah?
>>685940204
>You tried saying that American education was shit
Wow, America's third-world educational system can't even teach basic reading comprehension.
>>685939868
Lol, like a religious nut defending his ideology beyond reason.
>>685940160
>I'd rather see Hitler in office before people like you
I have no doubt you'd rather have Hitler in office than pretty much anyone else.
>>685931075
The entertainment industry and mass media markets are pretty important things to control
>>685940204
>implying that I'm >>685938917
>>685940100
yea, it's just a coincidence that the economy does better when a democrat is in the white house.
>>685941022
>what is a coincidence?
>>685926508
it's common for SJW to take over entire movements and parts of the political spectrum. i am pretty similar to you in my political orientation.
>>685941430
are you Alex Trebek or just stupid?
>>685939981
It's really quite easy.
Look at some of the democratic socialist countries in Europe.
Let's start with education. Education is a very important step in every citizens life, so they can get a job and become providing citizens.
America has a very low average education level per capita compared to for example Finland.
One big reason is because schools aren't funded based on their needs, they are based on result. Better results, more funding. Funds does quite a lot when it comes to the quality of education. In a socialistic democratic state, a school get the funds they need to uphold a high quality of education. That's why Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark for example has a much higher average education level then the US of A.
Then we have healthcare. A healthy population are less likely to become sick, usually have a much higher will to work and also result in less overall healthcare costs.
In most of Europe, healthcare is free. Meaning that if you get sick, you quickly get the help to be better. This is not the case in America.
ObamaCare has helped some, but very little to what it could do. In America, people get sick. They stay sick until they get very sick. Then they might get the help they need. Instead of a 20$ treatment early in the illness, American healthcare system waits until the person needs a 20 000$ treatment.
America has on average A LOT more expensive treatments, then whole of Europe combined. Less treatments per capita, more expensive per capita. This is bad for the economy. Not only directly with hospital bills. But also indirectly in people to sick to go to work, but not sick enough to get the treatment they need.
Also, the help of the poor. Every republican hate this. "Why should we pay social welfare to people who don't work?".
Well, easy. Sometimes, people need help, before they actually can come back and start working. This is a successful concept that works in most of Europe.
> Part 2 coming
>>685934712
thing is that the lower you go, the harder it is to survive on that little money, that is why the minimal wage in the US is not a living wage, MANY people have to work 2 jobs to even be able to put food on the table, it's not a sustainable system, if you have a job, you should be able to eat food and have a roof over your head
>>685943539
> Part 2
In America, you do the opposite. What have this created? A very high criminal rate compared to most European countries.
People are forced into crimes, because they grow up in an area, everyone refuse to help. This is an "evil circle".
The average living standard in America is lower then the average levels in European countries. This results in higher crime rates. Higher crime rates results in higher costs.
It's really easy actually. The american concept is way more expensive then the European one. It's also less successful on all levels. Health, education, crimes, social standards.
Yes, your tax is lower, but so is your income, your living standard and social security.
>>685930463
>the burger's mad
I kek'd
>>685940570
Well he was the only Socialist to make a nation better. Im amazed you aren't praising him
>>685944364
I think you forgot a small point about him
HE KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU DUMBASS
>>685929280
Christ that gif makes me uncomfortable
I think it's giving me shroom flashbacks
>>685944603
oh and btw, most of the economy in Hitler germany was based on the military and the industry to support that military, he managed to do this by cheating the system, he didn't pay the debt that germany had after ww1, he funded his projcets by Mefo Bills (basically loans) which he then paid back by just printing more money. There's a lot more he did t ofund this economy, but since I assume that you are on the internet, you can jsut google it, I'm not an encyclopedia...
>>685926508
you play supremacy kid ?
>>685937311
how old is this quality of life index. Norway has been among the to 3 fore like 10-15 years and its not eave on this list.
