America is shit tbh. Our power was only a result of centuries of inhumane practices. We're fat, stupid, and unhealthy by international standards. Economy fucking sucks. Police force is Orwellian. Etc, etc, etc...
>inb4 "leave"
I can't because I was born poor and the economy fucking sucks.
>>685872993
>Economy fucking sucks
Factually incorrect, rest of the stuff is fairly spot on.
Then leave faggot
>hates America
>is poor
Well that explains that
>>685873192
Tell that to the thousands of Americans who lost their jobs/homes in the recession..economy may be improving but the middle class is still suppressed by it
>>685873442
Then 15% of the country should hate america at least, that's a pretty shitty figure
>>685872993
>Police force is Orwellian
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You actually believe the news and don't ever interact with cops
Move out of metro areas, retard
I got hired on at $13 an hour starting with no experience at a diesel mechanic shop
And if you complain that you don't want to do that, you're the shitbag who makes the economy bad
>>685873487
>Tell that to the thousands of Americans who lost their jobs/homes in the recession
>8 years ago
>haven't gotten your shit back together by now
You're a complaining bitch
>>685873811
American police shoot people literally everyday. Obviously not all cops are bad retard but the fact that they have the ability to get away with mirderer is Orwellian. $13/hr is shit, you've just been conditioned to believe anything over $7.25 is good
>>685873891
You can't just fucking reboot your life faggot. Those people had their homes and jobs far longer than 8 measly years.
>>685872993
>I can't because I was born poor and the economy fucking sucks.
Hahahah, you fucking crying, little faggot. I'll make an assumption, not necessarily saying it is true, but I was more than likely born into a poorer family than you. Even if you were, "poorer," than I, it would not mean that I was at more of an advantage than you, considering my situation. This economy is not shit. The system is not shit. You are shit. You are too lazy to make anything of yourself. I lifted myself via education, while little crybabies like you whine about how the system is terrible.
>>685872993
You say
>"Our power was only a result of centuries of inhumane practices"
How the fuck would you know? Did you live back then? No? Because the Jews told you so? The Jews ran the fucking slave trade! Where ever you could find an opportunity to profit from human suffering in human history you and find Jews.
>>685874446
I'm in college. I will not be poor. That does not mean that the country isn't shit
>>685874593
Pretty sure southern plantation owners, and those who exterminated Native Americans weren't Jews faggot
>>685874362
>You can't just fucking reboot your life faggot
I went to prison for 4 years and lost everything I had
Yes you absolutely fucking can
>>685874154
>American police shoot people literally everyday
Don't act like a nigger and you won't get shot
And no, they don't shoot people every day
You just hear about every single time it happens
And again, don't live in big cities
>but the fact that they have the ability to get away with mirderer is Orwellian
You are completely fucking ignorant of the topic
99.9% of police shootings are completely justified self defense or killing of a criminal
>$13/hr is shit
Starting, dumbfuck
I get $21 an hour once I learn shit and get a CDL
You don't realize it's unskilled, no college, bullshit work
>>685874610
>That does not mean that the country isn't shit
You're projecting your little area of the country on the rest of it
Go to North Dakota and tell me the economy is tanking
>>685874610
Then leave when you're finished college. And what exactly are you going to college for? Move away. Go live in another country. I'm sure you'll cry about wherever you move, too. There's no such thing as a utopia, big guy. Whether you believe it or not, the United States is a place where you can do as you please. Want to become an engineer? Go ahead. Decide that's not for you, midst getting you degree? Change your major to psychology. Cry elsewhere, fag.
I'd move to Europe, but it looks impossible unless you are an engineer or Muslim...
>>685875187
>Move away. Go live in another country.
He can just move states
Fuck, tons of states are booming right now whereas his crime ridden shithole "cultural centers" are tanking
If hipster faggots can travel to Europe on there waiter salaries, then so can you. You are just being a whiney faggot who doesn't contribute to society.
>Mfw the most serious anti-Trumpers are getting more and more brazen by the day
>Mfw they're not even trying to hide the fact that they just plain hate our country anymore
Thanks for the free election, you fucking chumps.
>>685872993
>I can't because I was born poor and the economy fucking sucks.
while millions of poor Mexicans pour over the border into the U.S., this fucktard can't figure out how to cross the border in the other direction.
>>685875087
>implying your own irrelevant personal experience is a national standard
>half the country are minorities, suppressed by the us government and police
>still shit, my flight attendant sister makes more
>>685875857
Lmao you really think Hillary won't win you retard?
>>685876068
>>implying your own irrelevant personal experience is a national standard
>implying every business within 100 miles of me doesn't have a help wanted sign and has upped their pay because no one will work
There is work and there is well paying work
You're too lazy to move
>>half the country are minorities
>63% of the US is white and that was in 2010
>it's gone up every year since
Live somewhere there aren't minorities
Like the midwest
>>still shit, my flight attendant sister makes more
Go be a flight attendant then
>>685876334
She won't
You're kidding yourself if you can't see that Trump has the swing vote
>>685874805
>exterminated native americans
Nobody "exterminated" them. The europeans brought diseases that the natives hadn't built resistance to. The ones that were directly killed were the savages who went around fucking scalping people
>>685876068
>minorities, suppressed by the us government
If America kissed your black and brown asses any harder Uncle Sam would have his nose covered fried-chicken-filled shit, you delusional faggot. Paint a white kid in a community college black and suddenly he's got a free pass into pretty much any university in the country, ivy leagues included if he's even half bright. If a black person can sit more or less quietly in a cubicle without picking any fights, stealing anything, or failing a drug test he's pretty much guaranteed an affirmative-action middle class salary for life.
The only thing that makes niggers' lives hard is the fact that they generally live around other trifling-ass niggers who live like crabs in a bucket, yanking any brother who climbs out down.
>>685877453
Ever heard of smallpox blankets? Trail of tears? Learn history retard
>>685876068
>minorities, suppressed by the us government and police
Oh go fuck yourself you ignorant shitbag Berntard
>>685877755
Oh yeah?
And what about that hanging in Minnesota?
Was that Ebul Yuros being Ebul?
>>685876603
I live in Iowa. A nation has to be great for all ethnicities to be great. No thanks, I actually want to make a difference
Yeehaa. Gawd lurves Merica!!
>>685877896
Minorities were literally our property a century and a half ago, you really don't think that puts white preople at an advantage?
>>685878049
>I live in Iowa
Iowa fucking blows and is full of assholes
Never met a single nice person from there
And it smells god awful
Stop giving a fuck about trying to bring up other people and try to make yourself better you dumb communist
>>685876661
Hilary is projected to win by a significant margin in every poll, while not even confirmed to be the nominee yet
You're delusional
>>685875501
He's just another crybaby because he wasn't born into a millionaire family and has to work to be successful. OP was probably born into the middle-class.
>>685878556
>Minorities were literally our property a century and a half ago, you really don't think that puts white preople at an advantage?
>you really don't think that what happened a century and a half ago has any bearing on today?
No, I don't
Blacks have the same rights as everyone else
Asians are better than whites and they were treated like shit too
Believing that there's an inherent genetic racial disparagement between whites and blacks is as racist as you can possibly be
>>685878668
America fucking blows. You're bashing every part of America while claiming it is great simultaneously you moron.
>>685878831
>Hilary is projected to win by a significant margin in every poll
>the people who actually respond to polls are swing voters
If you believe this, you're as retarded as a Bernie supporter
>>685878996
>You're bashing every part of America
Naw just Iowa
I visited America a year ago and found that the average standard of living was about half as good as here in Australia. People live in shit housing, work good jobs for shit pay and get treated like the great unwashed by the government. I'm not saying my country is perfect but it was so surprising as I had bought into the propaganda coming out of America re how great it is, only to find it somewhat poor and run down.
>>685878973
Is not genetic, it's that white people got the jump on minorities by killing and owning them; exploiting them to become rich. Fucking dumbass
>>685879195
Iowa, and population dense metropolitan areas. A significant amount of the nation
>>685878996
>America fucking blows
>confirmed for never living here or having never left his gated community
>>685879212
> it's that white people got the jump on minorities by killing and owning them
>when you're born as a black man, you are inherently kept back by the race boogeyman so that you can't work to bring yourself to the same level as a white man
You're a fucking racist cunt
My black friend owns his own gun store that he build himself and has operated himself for the last 8 years
Go fuck yourself you racist shitbag
>>685872993
Newfags inb4 their own threads...I've been everywhere else, the US is the best possible place to live unless you are completely worthless. Second is Canada, Third is New Zealand. Japan and Australia next and then anywhere in Europe.
> morans
>>685878831
Found the bernout who stopped keeping up with the latest news when Bernie's chances of winning tanked.
>>685879418
>A significant amount of the nation
>population equals a majority of the nation
You sure are fucking stupid
Land makes up a nation
Live where people aren't
Where the people are, the nation sucks
Move to Montana
Leave
You need to straighten up mother fucker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCA0jhVCFTw
america was great for whites, which is the only group that can make it tolerably for everyone else. check out south africa
>>685872993
I was born poor.
Now I'm not.
Stop making excuses and man the fuck up OP.
Now, as for the topic. Yeah you're right. We're a pretty fucked up country.
Rest of the world is even worst though. It's humanity. Get over it.
>>685879460
You are literally retarded.
>>685879212
Jews and Chinese were some of the most hated minorities in America's past, and they are per capita more successful then white people are
Then get the fuck out.
No, seriously. leave. Where will you go? The UK? South Africa? Brazil? Go.
>>685879748
Nice argument
>>685872993
>"Why don't you leave?"
>"America is the greatest country on Earth. Doesn't mean it's great."
>>685872993
Should've let the Nazis win..
>>685879742
Like I said, I'm in college, I will not be poor. My point is that this isn't the case for everyone, my situation sucked by I still had a lot of advantages over others
>>685872993
>Conservatives get offended by a hat.
And Liberals are the soft ones.
>>685879841
>my black friend owns a gun store so black people aren't at a socioeconomic disadvantage compared to whites
I don't need a counter argument, you are just retarded
I found the Bernie cuck.
Make America America Again.
>>685872993
>I can't because I was born poor and the economy fucking sucks.
Hundreds of thousands were born under the same or even direr circumstances. And they worked their ass off to claw their way out. Irish potato niggers did this, so did Chinks. Even the odd Spic manages to pull through.
Laying down and whining how America sucks is just you giving up like a bitch. Trying to rationalize how it was built on questionable practices is just another a lame excuse.
This is actually pretty sad
>>685880000
>My point is that this isn't the case for everyone
>not everyone has the same opportunities
Ok
>inb4 college is expensive
My friend went to be an electrical technician
Entirely paid for by student aid and is now making $70k a year and just started 6 months ago
>>685872993
the american power is not a result of "centuries" of inhumane practice. on a global scale american influence was fairly insignificant before ww1, the two world wars were an insane boost to the american economy and shaped the enourmous military industrial complex with is largely responsible for much of its foreign policy. this whole thing is much more recent than you think, sure america has since the beginning been seen as a land of oportunity but not always as a global player in politics.
>>685880261
Found the virgin neckbeard projecting his insecurities
>>685880228
>Liberals shut down political rallies
Naw the thin skin is on the libshits
I don't understand if you don't like it then move instead of whining about it, if the economy is shit then why why is it the top economy in the world, yea the U.S. Is a little harsh but that doesn't mean you have to whine about not being below average intelligence and unable to make any success for yourself
>>685878831
>>685880246
>so black people aren't at a socioeconomic disadvantage compared to whites
This is completely false and is as made up as the wage gap
>>685880434
>ur a virgin
lol good one.
>projecting
You're using that word wrong.
>>685872993
I feel yah, trying to get out atm, but just can't seem to afford to, this place would be better if the 10% had their heads on pikes...
>>685880246
Holy fuck you actually believe this
Holy fucking shit you are one dumb, ignorant, uneducated, blind, easily swayed motherfucker
HOOOLEEEE SHIIITTT
>>685876603
>>685877713
>>685880617
> this place would be better if the 10% had their heads on pikes...
Boy have I got the place for you. It rhymes with Fexico. I'm sure you'll love it there.
>>685872993
Name a country whose power wasn't predicated on "inhumane" practices.
>>685880479
I wouldnt say that and the graphic doesnt really suggest it either, yeah its an up and down and most of the time hillary is in the lead with only a few points where trump came close. however the general trend seems much more positive for trump than for hillary, I am not saying enough to win the election but time is not in hillarys favour.
>>685878049
Well you're doin a great fuckin job changing the world captain shitpost
>>685878831
Bad news, cream puff.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/22/donald-trump-leads-hillary-clinton-11-point-swing-since-march/
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-on-2016-election-may-16-19-2016/2038/
>>685880617
As much as I hate the fact that businesses have systematically pushed money to the top, you're retarded for blaming everything on them
>>685872993
If you STAY poor it's your fault. Beaners come here illegally with nothing and make money.
Stop choosing to suck.
The past centuries are irrelant. You are here, NOW, not the past or future.
The economy is fairly good shape. Check the stats. Cops don't fuck with most Americans. Shit, I go to the shooting range with my local PD.
Change your life or end it.
>>685879208
Which part my Straya faggot?
>>685880756
Too corrupt, the whole world just needs to start over tbh, and while my opinion may not be popular by any means, i believe removing any rich would make the world a better place
>>685880995
yet you call them "beaners" when they work harder than your ass does. Fuck off.
>>685880931
>it's up and down
>That Hillary nosedive
Look at the graph and try to guess the exact moment Trump labelled Hillary as "Crooked Hillary". I bet you can do it.
>>685881108
>Too corrupt
>complains the US is so corrupt he should move
>claims other countries are too corrupt
Holy shit
ITT: Faggots believing the American nationalist propaganda.
![20160126_LAUGHINGimage[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vuTPfdD.jpg "20160126_LAUGHINGimage[1].jpg")
>>685881108
> i believe removing any rich would make the world a better place
>it's another entitled bernie cuck crying because people are better than him
>>685881184
>the spics are here
>>685881265
>his country hates itself so much it has to shit on countries who like theirs
kek
>>685881249
I believe every country has some form of corruption, i just really hate the US because it is especially apperent, and is a society where the rich thrive, and the poor suffer
>>685881249
That post was not OP dumbass, if I could move anywhere, it would be Denmark
>>685872993
I was born poor too. Now I make 85,000-90,000 a year. Also no degree
>>685881265
America isn't a nation.
>>685881425
>poor suffer
Try
You have the ability to try and succeed
Plenty of people start from nothing and start businesses
You're just lazy and have no ambition
>>685881456
>Denmark
KEK
>>685881094
Queensland donut puncher!!
>>685881456
>trying to get out atm,
>implying being OP matters
>>685881464
Everyone who is posting this is missing the fucking point. I am in college, I will not be poor. That does not fix the problem
>>685879208
Lots of chinks in Straya though. And abos. Fucking abos.
>>685881355
You seem like the kind of faggot who proclaims life isn't fair when we have a legal system built around the principles of equality.
>>685881545
I have been trying, and it takes forever to get near close to anywhere
cant afford college, work a fulltime job, and dont even have a family to support, but at the rate things are going, ill be able to actually live a fullfilling life by the time i am about to keel over.
>>685880396
>implying 70k a year is good money
fucking poorfag
>>685881777
Europe may as well be a country these days thanks to the EU.
>I'm poor, and nothing will change
>that. I live in an oppressive oligarchy!
> I was born here but have less of a
> chance to "make it" than all the guys
>from India who come here without
>knowing English and become
>doctors or business owners
You have to work faggot.
>>685881844
>Says the faggot proclaiming life isn't fair because people have used the equality of opportunity to make themselves rich and he hasn't
KEK
>>685881942
For christsake read the fucking thread retard
>>685881763
And cunts, don't forget cunts
> "mad cunt" is the great compliment ever given by an Australian
Sorry you Americans are just shitcunts who talk too loud
How about you find a country that gives the same benefits that we give to the spics that come to our country, and just migrate there you dumb fuck.
>>685881623
My bad, meant where did you visit in 'Murrica? Ass Pirate
>>685882077
Not the same guy. My family accumulated their wealth through rather easy means I'm basically the inheritor who can do pretty much anything in town since they still exert a firm influence in local politics.
This is totally unfair.
>>685882130
>you Americans
Not a yank. Shame you kicked out Big Tone though,
>>685872993
The economy is the best in the world. We run the world. Your island complex is pathetic even when you try to insult the country that gave it to you
Commit suicide
>>685881942
>>685881866
>and it takes forever to get near close to anywhere
>>685881872
It is for a 2 year degree and a starting wage you fucking faggot
That's $30 an hour
>>685882293
So you should give half to me.
>>685882264
New York, then flew to LA then drove through mid west and up and down eastern seaboard. Ring raider!
>>685882293
>My parents succeeded and can do with their wealth what they please, opting to give it to me
>this is unfair
We both know you're a poor little Bernie cuck though.
>>685882122
You are complaining about nothing you fucking idiot
>>685872993
>Police force is Orwellian
lol must be some ghetto kid maybe blk
>>685872993
>poor
yep
>>685882301
Fucken oath such a tragedy
>>685872993
>I can't because I was born poor and the economy fucking sucks.
Not this shit agian. I was born in damn trailer park and I work a noice trade making $34/hr. And I got all my training for free, what's wrong with you scrub.
>>685882399
thats why things need to change, I don't want a bernie, shillary, or drumpf, I want real change, I want the working class brought up, the rich oppressors removed, whether people like it or not doesn't matter, its a better life than the shithole that the world is now.
>>685881714
Shit man I love it here. I make decent money and have decent things. You get out what you put in. I'm 24, I have a lot of debt but it's good debt. I owe 150,000ish for my home and two vehicles. By the time I'm 35 I'll have most of that paid off then I'll be able to kick back. That said if I have to start paying more in taxes for others to go to school or get their script for the fix then I'll probably sink.
>>685881866
>cant afford college
student aid
>work a fulltime job
As do I
>dont even have a family to support
So then it should be easy
You're living exhorbitantly if you can't save any money with this much of a head start
>>685882293
Are you really interested in lowering your own standard of living? How much of your wealth do you give away regularly? You obviously seem to be using much more than you need for sustenance.
Or do you just like sounding like the good guy?
>>685882556
Only if you be my friend. :(
>>685882607
No, it's unfair that I get lighter treatment under the law as if I were a fucking celebrity.
>>685882810
>thats why things need to change
Oh so we should just hand things out you fucking cockmongling fucking idiot?
Name some changes and stop just screaming change like a fucking retard
>I want the working class brought up
How
> the rich oppressors removed
Good fucking luck
>whether people like it or not doesn't matter
>I hate democracy
yeah, get the fuck out of my country
>>685882810
Fuck man, want much??
> never gonna happen bro
Like it's ruined man, the last breaths of a giant before death, crumbling like the old Roman Empire..
>>685872993
>>inb4 "leave"
>I can't because I was born poor and the economy fucking sucks.
Go to Mexico then, while the borders still open.
>>685882564
Well fuck me running. LA and NY are different countries inside the US. Hell, the Northeast is a bunch of wannabe commie fucks.
As for Straya, Sydney is fucking epic...but you still got that whole Northern Territory filled with abos. Don't throw stones Pillow Biter.
>>685883127
>Lying for bernie points
kek you nigger
Police shoot people when they think their life is in danger. Would you want to be a cop? I had guns drawn down on me in a podunk town in the Midwest because the plates I got for my new car were registered to a different car in Chicago the cop walked up and saw about 20 guns I was taking to a gun show. 1+1 at the time meant bad shit to him. Did I act like the niggles? No, cause I'm still alive.
>>685876068
>half the country are minorities
if they are half the country they arent a minority dude plus all these oppression shit they brought on themselves there will be a lot less modern racist if the fucking minorities stop acting like terrible scums. this is coming from a none white btw. sure some will hate you but most only hate you if your group act like fucking retards
>>685882810
holy fuck I've seen into the mind of pure retardation
You really think any of that can happen.
Are you the guy who says AR15s can't stop the government either?
>Liberal
>I'm going to change the way things are
>yeah he's so smart
>Conservative
>I'm going to change the way things are
>Oh you're a fucking idiot for thinking you can fight the status quo lol XD
>>685882970
I don't really care to have more than a studio apartment and a fuel-efficient Sedan. I'm pretty solitary so don't need a lavish lifestyle to be happy, but if other's do than that's their right to.
As for giving it away, most likely not. I don't give into guilt trips as easy as I used to, but it's still awful being born into wealth when you're basically demonized for it.
>>685872993
do the right thing and dig your way to mexico
>>685883234
I want to, im no fan of democracy, it is a failure, Caesar could prove that easily.
also, on the topics of change, basically just redistribute the wealth, if someone makes more than a certain amount, it is taken away and spread amongst the people, no one should live an exorbitant lifestyle
>>685883315
Nah cunt the Abos just sit under trees where they fell out of.
limp wrist
>>685881425
Says someone who has never been out of the United States.
It's the system and learned person can see that. We have taken away job security so we can acquire more profits. We need to put a lid on big companies and the banks or we will live in a state of perpetual slavery.
MERICA! Fuck Yeah!
>>685883319
I am voting for Trump because I liek my monies even though I'm equally an entitled brat as most Bernie supporters.
>>685872993
fuck to Canada with ya
>>685882810
>i want the workers to steal from the rich
literally commie scum
go kill yourself
>>685875087
that you think it's as simple as "acting like a nigger" 99.9 percent of the time is the problem. That sort of mentality fuels the corrupt immunity which police possess. Plenty of unarmed whites are killed also.
>>685883652
>im no fan of democracy
Get
Out
It's the most successful method of running a country fucking ever
It is by far the least oppressive method of running a country to ever have come into existence and if you think there's any other way to run it without having the same problems OR WORSE, you're a fucking retard
>basically just redistribute the wealth
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy fuck you're retarded
>no one should live an exorbitant lifestyle
>people who work hard shouldn't get what they worked for
Yeah that'll sure bring about innovation and economic growth
Why don't you stop shit posting and actually try to make your life better by leaving your basement?
>>685883676
I saw this male abos kick the shit out of his woman friend. I was told not interfere and keep walking. Those fucks steal your shit and then just leave it or burn it. Alice Springs is dreadful Peter Puffer.
>>685877453
pretty sure southern plantation owners are a small factor post civil war — US economy jumps 1945-1960 and the roaring 20s — do you know what they are?
Who Killed the Native Americans? The US government was a small contributor compared to other diseases decades prior.
You sound dumb.
>>685872993
>Our power was only a result of centuries of inhumane practices
Who cares, altruism is for the in group
>We're fat, stupid, and unhealthy by international standards
Fat, sure, stupid, maybe if you're a nigger
>Police force is Orwellian.
The security state is, the police are not.
>>685874154
>American police shoot people literally everyday
Yes, that's what police do. The state is a tool of order-keeping violence, it isn't there to distribute gibs.
>$13/hr is shit, you've just been conditioned to believe anything over $7.25 is good
>I don't understand how the economy works
>>685884131
>Plenty of unarmed whites are killed also.
Post one that wasn't attacking the cop
>unarmed
Doesn't matter
You threaten a cop, you die
Simple as that
Same goes for me, you threaten my life, you die
>>685883820
Love this place
>>685882810
>literal fucking communist
You didn't learn anything from history class, did you?
>>685880286
This Is the GREATest Shirt Ever!
>>685884136
Democracy was a mistake, but commies belong in the oven.
>>685883652
why not move to russia or china then if you hate democracy and want wealth distribution
>wah me poor cant move
tough shit, deal with it or stfu
>>685875087
>And no, they don't shoot people every day
I mean, 350 milion people in this country, im sure at least one gets shot by a cop every day
>>685872993
>implying europe was not worse
>implying africa didn't help europe start the rise of slavery selling their own kind
> implying we started it
i say your a little bitch.
![montana[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7QRcdbY.jpg "montana[1].jpg")
>>685884281
I love this place
>posting the shittiest parts of the country to seem cool
We need big companies to pay higher taxes that is the bottom line.
>>685884218
Don't go to Alice.. Full of said dessert monkeys.
Go to Sydney or look up Cairns and go there - Epic!!
Rim jobber
If only America was as egalitarian as some South American banana republic totalitarian socialist shithole full of crime and violence, like Venezuela or Cuba or Argentina or Brazil or Mexico. Then everything would be fine, right OP?
>But America is violent too!
No, not really. We are just rich enough that a lot of people have enough free time to sit on their ass and watch television funnel a very small amount of violence directly into everyone's brain every day. Places like the UK have literally 5x as much violent crime as USA but since it's overwhelmingly caused by mudslides their cuck leadership and media pretends that it's not happening.
Pic semirelated. It's it's favorite bedtime story book.
>>685872993
We should work to make things better, or else appreciate how lucky we are. Being a whiny bitch is NOT a valuable option and if that's all you feel you have to contribute, suicide is always an option.
If you're an american, take a deep breath and evaluate the shit bubble you live in for just a second. For hundreds of thousands of years most of us would have been killed by violence and died young. If you live in America, even if you're broke as fuck, you're probably one of the top 25% of the wealthiest people alive.
You have the LUXURY of sitting and wallowing in your own self-imposed misery. Most of the world doesn't have the time, and even if they did most of them don't have the resources to whine about it.
This isn't an excuse to not try and make things better, but it is a legitimate reason not to be a whiny victim-complex little bitch, which is how OP comes off.
>>685884520
>I mean, 350 milion people in this country, im sure at least one gets shot by a cop every day
>I don't know how statistics and niggery works
>>685884599
They already do
It's the real top goys who know how to exploit the loopholes
Paying more does nothing, closing the loopholes does
>>685872993
It doesn't cost anything to illegally move to Mexico.
>>685884329
What, the shill that is history, history is written by the "victors" and unfortunately the US likes to always think itself a winner at everything, so history here would be a bit more eschewed, Russia is ruined by capitalism, as is China, NK denounced Communism awhile back, so my only choice left really is Cuba, and soon America will leak its fat grease soaked hands into that as well, and ruin it...
IF this fatshist county would just die already, id be a happy person
>>685884577
I mad bro
>>685884726
The US government pays more money to companies than all welfare recipients combined.
But yea end the loop holes and higher taxes.
>>685872993
You sound 12. Are you 12?
Whites literally have been the only ones ever to make living easier for other races, throughout history.
It's been a pretty major concern, knowing we're the best and acting accordingly to try and bring others up to that point.
Blacks won't, they refuse. Just like how they sat on diamond rich sand staring out at oceans and never decided to leave or make anything of themselves.
>>685874154
>>685874154
Get job skills dummy. I took out loans to cover my education, for all 7 years. Paid them off in my first two years as a pharmacist. Now I'm making bank. I'm not that smart either, nor do I have a shit ton of work ethic compared to some of the people I know. I just decided I didn't want to be as broke as my parents (always worrying about money) and lo and behold, now I'm not.
>>685884991
>niggers.jpg
>>685883566
So tell people who demonize you to fuck off. I'm poor as shit but personally just don't like sanctimony or stupid communist ideals which ignore human nature and lead to all around terrible societies.
>>685872993
agreed, america is shit-tier
>richest country but 25% of our children live in poverty, the highest poverty rate in the developed world
>multi-million dollar companies are allowed to pay workers to low that taxpayers have to help support their income
>one of the highest infant mortality rates in the developed world
>only 2 political parties, both of which are similar in more ways than not
>worst education scores in the developed world
>most religious country in the developed world
>it's possible to work 40 hours a week and still live in poverty, while other developed european countries have 6 hour workdays and significantly lower rates of poverty
>you will be in debt for most of your life if you are poor and have to visit the hospital or go to college
>highest prison population in the developed world, more than most other developed nations combined
>culturally dead unless you're in a major city
Good thing I was born wealthy so I can finally move out of this shithole before I get randomly shot to death by some disgruntled maniac with easy access to a machine gun
>>685884621
Sydney was full of beautiful women that drink like fish at lunch. Went to China Town with a Mandarin speaking white dude. That shit made us like rockstars.
Adilaide (spelling?) seemed nice.
>>685884937
The US isn't fascist and communism is a failed ideology, my oven fuel friend.
>>685884937
>America will ruin Cuba
Nigger, are you acting retarded on purpose? You better not be.
>>685884621
Cock gobbler
>>685884937
Ho
Ly
Shit
You literally
literally
literally
are fucking retarded
>>685884281
I wonder what the black population there is..
>>685885264
and one day people will see the failure of capitalism, my short sighted товарищ
>Most homicides are black on black
>Most homicides happen in high population metropolitans
>USA has the most metropolitans in the world
>Statistically one of the safest countries in the world when african american contributions to crime are factored out
America just has a black problem.
>>685885012
>The US government pays more money to companies than all welfare recipients combined.
I am aware of that
Paying more taxes fixes nothing
Companies already pay high taxes
They just get subsidies and use loopholes
Just close the loopholes and shit will fix itself
>>685885195
>Good thing I was born wealthy so I can finally move out of this shithole before I get randomly shot to death by some disgruntled maniac with easy access to a machine gun
Boom, credibility lost, faggot.
>>685885521
You don't even need to take blacks out, just the large shitty metro areas like LA, NY, Minneapolis, etc
OP, be happy, at least you don't live on Brazil like me.
You don't know what shit really is
>>685885492
Literally never, commies have been predicting the fall of capitalism since the 1960s.
And we all saw what a failure communism was anyway, so when liberal democracy fails it's gonna look a lot like jackboots, mein freund.
>>685885179
I am slowly as I build my self-esteem up through work instead of just relying on wealth I didn't earn to validate it, even though a part of me does recognize this to be envious prole logic and I hold no moral obligation to step down from my privileged position in order to appease them.
Still, many of my friends were poor and my mother had to work from the ground up, so I had a nice comparison as to how toxic money could actually be in terms of character development.
As for communist ideals, eh, my friends and I partied a lot and I had more so I pitched in more because I wanted to have fun, seemed to work out fine.
I don't see it being applied effectively on the macro though.
>>685885750
"he has money so he doesn't know anything about the world! you have to be a poor greasy fuck like me who can't afford formal education to really understand things"
moron
>>685885794
Maybe not in my life time, but capitalism will fail, trust me, it is too resource hungry, too power hungry, corruption and greed will tear it apart
>>685881456
>denmark
you realize danish culture suggests that unless you speak the language fluently, you arent a dane, right? and that it is really not an easy language to just pick up, right? and that their higher wage is reduced to nil from taxes, right?
>>685885480
Niggers fuck America.
> unless you rid the nation of niggers it's downhill still til the whole nation is one big shit box
>>685885775
>comparing the country with the largest economy on the planet with a developing nation
>being this stupid
>>685885775
Here you are free, brazilian lifestyle is realy chaotic, but everything is expensive and the minimum labor wealth are not enought for any remotelly confortable life w/ a minimum of diginity.
>>685886053
Capitalism will never fail, but globalism and liberal democracy likely will. Distinguish between politics and economics, it'll do you a lot of good.
op is the whiniest faggot who needs to gtfo asap
Trump is going to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
and worthless degenerates like op will only hold us back
>>685886294
How will a power hungry greedy system not fail then, explain this to me товарищ?
>>685872993
Op. America has fat and stupid people, but not all of them, the fact that you're saying "we" suggests yourself and the other minority of fat and stupid people. If you're too fat and stupid to get a job and move to mexico, so be it, but you'be no reason to come whining your obese ass here.
>>685881456
>hates America and capitalism
>thinks the Nordic nations are a paradise and doesn't realize their success is in part because they were ethnostates for the longest time
Literally me when I was 14
>>685886042
>before I get randomly shot to death by some disgruntled maniac with easy access to a machine gun
This is the part that does it friendo.
Those are the fabled words of unknowledgeable, sheltered college cunts.
>>685886610
>unknowledgeable, sheltered college cunts.
SWPLs
>>685886610
only an american could combine stupidity and arrogance in such a deluded way
>>685886461
Because that would require resource exhaustion, a scenario which is unlikely to happen.
>>685886093
You mother fuckers brought us here enslaved, then put us through years of oppression and discrimination which you have done to virtually every indigenous or brown people on the planet. Then you complain that it's the 'niggers' fault that America is so fucked up. Blacks barely even have any power in the states socioeconomically. So how can we fuck up what we don't even own? This has always baffled me.
>>685886987
The world is limited, it will run out, that isn't an unlikely scenario, it is a guarentee
>>685886568
>implying a nation built on genocide and slavery is better than a nation with a past in ethnocentrism
Me never because I'm not an idiot
>>685887198
Get yo black ass back to Africa!!
> niggers
>>685872993
Get the fucccckkkkkkkkk out of here coon
>>685886945
Do you understand what a title 2 is?
How difficult they are to get?
How much money a firearm with select fire costs?
How few there are, and how few are made each year?
How many people are killed by rifles each year?
You probably don't. Because you're emotional and ignorant, lol.
Enjoy college debt tho ayyyy.
>>685887129
this товарищ understands
>>685872993
On the upside, you can get one of these.
Which is pretty fuckin boss.
>>685887309
Ethnocentricism is a good thing, though. What I'm saying is that now that they're importing sandniggers the Nordic model is failing.
Check out how hard it is to move to Denmark, by the way. If you're not a rapefugee there's tons of requirements.
>>685872993
You were born dumb if you think you can't leave you stupid faggot
>>685872993
>our power is a result of centuries of inhumane practices
We were isolationist for most of our history so that doesn't make sense
>we're fat stupid and unhealthy by international standards
We are disproportionately overweight, I'll give you that much, but America has contributed more to science and math than any other modern country, so we aren't stupid
>economy fucking sucks
We have the best economy in the world by a huge margin and the only other country that comes close is China
>police force is orwellian
Are you a nigger or something
If you don't like America, then name a better country. Latin America is a third world shit hole, Asia and Africa are also a shitholes with oppressive governments (also damn commies) and Europe is full of cucks. Pic sort of related btw
>>685887826
But OP is a cuck, so he'll love Europe.
>>685887198
The nigger is a puppet of the Jew. The nigger is used by the Jew to control and convert white suburbia.
>>685887198
Blacks sold blacks.
Freed blacks owned blacks in US.
Blacks were given rights and freedoms as citizens.
Blacks committed more crimes than anyone in the country and continue to do so.
Blacks whine that they're oppressed while asians who started with the same amount of intolerance and oppression have become leading doctors and scientists.
Blacks are shit.
>>685887775
where is he going to go? unless he has dual citizenship, or money.. which he doesn't have.
how is he supposed to up and move to a new country?
i think you were born dumb son
op is still a whiney faggot regardless
>>685884577
Yea i love that too.
Now excuse me while I vote to open all national parks to corporate resource extraction companies, with no regulations on clean or safe or responsible operation, but clearcutting, mountaintop removal, fracking, pit mining, and leaving an exological toxic mess behind to poison everything downhill. Yayyy. I love this country!
>>685887129
>greatest income inequality
ahhahahahahhahahahaha
>highest infant mortality rate
what_are_abortions_for_500.jpg
>highest military spending
world police, baby.
>highest anti-depressant use
self-diagnosing fags deserve to OD.
>highest carbon emissions
providing the world with livestock and industry whilst supporting 350,000,000 people tends to do that.
>highest incarceration rate
blacks
>worst murder rate
blacks
>>685872993
I agree its going to shit fast. Cucks, men with wigs wanting to use the girls room, taking our gun rights away with laws that only affect the citicenz, niggers fucking nigging. We need a hero.We need trump to make america great again
>>685888101
Expatriotism is possible, though expensive and time-consuming, but if you don't have the money to move to a new place, why the fuck would you think they would want you in the first place?
>>685888496
forgot to add the gender inequality one, to which i give another one of these bad boys.
>ahhahahahahhahahahaha
>>685887764
I understand that it's not really feasible, being born there is like the best case scenario though
>>685888746
I seriously doubt you're hysterically laughing behind the monitor.
>>685888602
>Expatriotism is possible, though expensive and time-consuming, but if you don't have the money to move to a new place, why the fuck would you think they would want you in the first place?
that's my whole point.. you made it sound from your initial comment that he had a choice
but in reality he doesn't have a choice unless he has money or a country would accept his citizenship
>>685886251
That's what I was saying, EUA is a paradise compared w/ Brazil.
>>685888877
'twas for emphasis, my good man. i did, however, have a slight chuckle at those statements, in part due to the fact that there is no citation.
>>685887954
True. Hope he enjoys Muslim dick up the ass
>>685888921
I'm a different guy so wasn't really following conversation. My bad.
Either way money's not just having money. That's usually a gross oversimplification. If you have money, chances are you have skilled the other country would deem worthwhile.
They don't want McDonald's employees, but they would like engineers.
>>685874805
To add to the other guys thing, southern plantation owners had very little to do with the Atlantic slave trade. The British were purchasing slaves from black Africans and taking them all over the Bahamas and all of the Americas. The ones lucky enough to wind up in USA had it easy. The ones who wound up in the tropical sugarcane plantations? Not so much.
>>685888028
Blacks sold blacks alongside the english, spanish, danes and the arabs and jews. The english and dutch were smart enough to offer africans insane lump sums to go round up other africans from rival families and villages, turning them against each other. The divide & conquer strategy worked well in providing a steady stream of prisoners for export. The families that were made extremely wealthy would last for a couple years, then be captured abd have their weakth reposessed by the crown, who;d turn it around and fund more warlords. When the practice stopped, many of the warlord families that had built private armies remained in power and still do to this day.'
So saying "blacks captured blacks" is a half-truth, but at best is a half-truth.
>>685889314
yeah i follow you bro you're right there are options for those who would care to seek them.
but op seems like one with no motivation, no money, and no skills lol so he's fucked
>mcdonald's in the captcha
>>685872993
I love my state. Its beauty is beyond immagination. Sure we have ignorant cunts but youll find them everywhere. I attempt to surround myself with people i want to emulate. So the shit heads just dont matter.
Yes oyr government is shit but if you vote gary johnson 2016 we might have a better chance next election.
The glass is half full brother
>>685887826
>We have the best economy in the world by a huge margin and the only other country that comes close is China
It has the highest wealth disparity in the world. All the money in the world doesnt do you any fucking good if its not in circulation faggoit. It might as well be in another country, because you arent part of the same economy its in.
>>685887826
>Isolationist for most of our history
Um, no. We were isolationists for most of WWI and into WWII, but other than that we've been imperialistic as fuck. Monroe Doctrine, aka don't fuck with what we want? Spanish American War? "Private ventures" into South America pre Civil War, aka paramilitary overthrow of foreign governments for cotton expansionism? Mexican-American War on questionable pretenses?
Give me a fucking break.
>>685889629
Dumb fucks. I'm in college, I don't give a shit that I was born poor, because I was luckily born smart enough and had enough advantages to make my way to higher education. The problem is, that this is not possible for a massive percentage of our 'great' nations population
The many cancers of the world.
In the US of A...
>heart
In Africa...
>africans
In Europe...
>islam and judaism
In Asia...
>overpopulation
In South America...
>africans
In Australia...
>abos and polynesians
In the Middle East...
>islam and judaism
>>685889946
wahh wahhh wahh
so you finally learned that the feudal system never vanished and that we live in a world of serfs and lords?
just accept your peasant status or grab your pitchfork because this shitposting is tiresome
>>685889629
True that, but I loosely understand his discouragement. We're filled with this idea that everyone has the potential to be great in America, and while that's true to an extent, many simply don't have the proper resources to succeed, like underfunded educational systems.
The best they can hope for is improving their already bad situation, and poverty has a tendency to make people less supportive of one another since they're all just trying to get by, so it's just that much harder to do so.
>>685873487
No, how about instead I tell that to the 100 billion dead people whose pointless lives were complete shit because the literally worked in pig shit and horse shit while the king raped their new wives and took all their cord. You ungrateful, perspective-free, non-contributing, entitled millennial piece of shit.
>>685890157
My argument is that America is shit, I'm not even complaining, just point out my observations. I can't leave the country because I don't have the funds, that is a fact, not a complaint
>>685890388
yah but op is shitposting from his home pc or the laptop his parents got him awhile back.. or maybe even the one he saved up to buy with his spare cash from his job... but the point is he has a pc and had a job with enough leisure time to save up to buy a pc to shitpost and he is in college.
he needs to re-frame his idea of what is "poor" because he is definitely not that
>>685890560
Zimbabwe and North Korea are shit, man. We're like partially-digested cornflakes in the grand scheme of things.
>>685890401
Yeah, that would be worse, doesn't mean things can't still continue to get better....
>>685890560
>america is shit
but if you live in another place and you said that it was shit you would likely get your head cut off by the ruling powers.. so maybe take some solace in that fact?
>>685890745
Yeah that I agree with.
>>685888028
Same typical arguments which pale in comparison to thousands of years of white oppression and genocide but ok,
>Blacks sold blacks.
True. But it was not intended to lead to the inhumane atrocities committed once those slaves were placed in white hands.
>Blacks were given rights and freedoms as citizens.
I'm going to assume you mean in modern times because certainly you do not mean the long years after slavery leading up to the civil rights movements in the 1960s, which btw we aren't too far removed from. I'm sure your racist parents and relatives can fill you in.
>Blacks committed more crimes than anyone in the country and continue to do so.
No more or less than whites. Blacks are just monitored more and prosecuted harsher. Always have been since we've been given the same "freedoms."
>Blacks whine that they're oppressed while Asians who started with the same amount of intolerance and oppression have become leading doctors and scientists.
Again, blacks were denied the same education opportunities and the schools in black communities are not on the same caliber as white ones. Now that we've made a little more progress, the influx of blacks enrolling in college has actually increased. Pretty fucking hard to be a doctor or scientist when for the majority of the existence of this nation your forefathers, no even your grandfather, was not allowed to pursue such endeavors.
>>685890560
>i can't leave
you could kill yourself. seriously have you considered that as a rational thought? i have. but then i remember america isn't shit and it will only get better (provided Trump gets elected)
>>685890826
But my issue lies with the people who claim this specific country is great. Better than absolute shit can still be shit
>>685889917
All enormously unpopular conflicts. He's right. Up until pearl harbor the US public was extraordinarily conservative, and not liberal in its usage of military to go off chasing dragons into foreign lands. The leadership struggled like hell to sell wars to the public, and barely was able to sell WWI at all, until it was deemed, both a 'moral war" "to end all wars". It wasnt isolationist, it was just a more normal, defensive military stance, common among every other nation on earth, until after WWII when we kicked the monroe doctrine into high gear and Kissinger that fucking nazi jew was let loose with the reigns to the nation.. Isolationist is a fucking imperial China or North Korea. Theres a night and day difference between a more sane US foreign policy and isolationism.
>>685890560
>observations
that word indicates an objective and factual standpoint, whereas your perception is purely yours, and is therefore subjective. america isnt shit, it never was shit, and ill be damned if it becomes shit while i still breathe. be glad you live here because if you didnt, i couldnt promise you the freedom to bitch and moan about your laziness, whilst also being able to be lazy. white privilege? nonexistent, at least in america. american privilege? you're goddamned right, and you best appreciate what so many of our ancestors fought for.
>>685891022
Then what nation's do you perceive as less shitty?
America may surpass them in many areas, even though the same could be said for them, so I think it's fair to say that we're great.
We went to the fucking moon and designed the atomic bomb.
Not that the latter is particularly good, but it's undeniably impressive.
>>685873695
Tell me one country other than North Korea where 100% of their people approve of the government. We'll wait cocksucker.
>>685879530
>someone made a spelling error
>whole country is stupid
>>685890844
No you would not. This is not the 1600s, you entirely typical untravelled uncultured faggot.
And in the 1600s youd get your head cut iff here too, so cool it.
>>685877453
Scalping was something that Europeans did to native Americans, not the other way around. Stop thinking western movies are true stories
>>685891703
what are you talking about faggot? they would make little girls like you wear a full burqa in raqqa and they would most definitely gut your head off for saying the region sucks. do you know where raqqa is?
>untravelled uncultured cunt
not that this is a "bragging" contest but i have been to canada, and 3 other countries in europe and 30+ states in US. where have you been?
>>685890934
>But it was not intended to lead to the inhumane atrocities committed
Horrific slave abuse is an abolitionist meme
How to Make America Great in Only 3 Easy Steps.
>Step 1: Remove SoCal, watch NorCal industry boom and Colorado get its water back.
>Step 2: Remove blacks. Crime of all varieties would decline drastically, especially in urbanized, metropolitan regions.
>Step 3: Remove Judaism. (read: George Soros)
>>685891872
> but believe my random faggot ass
>>685878049
you can't better the world without first bettering yourself. Remove the plank from your eye before removing a speck from your brothers eye
>>685878973
We did breed blacks to be dumb, strong, and make tons of babies.
>>685892259
>remove judaism
if only it were that easy anon... better men have tried
"yeah guys I'm sooo much smartor then des 'mercuns yeah Fukc amerka they r ALL fat an dum yeah da plice jus kill ppl 4 no reeson EVERY DAY dey r jus racis pigs an i haet AMerCa !!!1!!!1!!! Dey R DUMMM!!! !!
>>685890934
>But it was not intended to lead to atrocious and inhuman actions.
They were stripped of their livelihood by other black people and then sold off as property to masters that would treat them as such.
How backwards do you have to be to assume that your sending them off to a tropical paradise?
>>685891552
You did neither of those things. A few of our grandparents did those things. Its been two generations and half a century since then. All we've had ever since is a lack of vision and declining grades and devaluation of the artist/craftsman working class. We've allowed religions to restrict areas of research in the sciences, watched the space program collapse, lost the high energy physics field completely, and are in the process of losing biotech thanks to christfaggotry.
Your worker productivity has skyrocketed and your pay has stayed static and your quality if life has pkummetted.
Enjoy living in an idealistic unrealistic mythology of a superior nation that hasnt been relevant in 2 lifetimes.
>>685892593
lmao this sums up op pretty nicely
>>685891872
>>685892330
Scalping was a tactic of the French, but it was a behavior adopted by Native Americans. It became, in essence, a Native American tactic.
>>685892431
Hitler wanted to deport Jews, the Grand Mufti of Israel told him to kill said Jews instead, as he wanted less Jews in Israel. No Muslim is a better man than I, and Adolf was a wolf in sheep's clothing. On the other hand, I respect the endeavor.
>>685892026
lol did you see lots of people getting their heads cut off in your extensice travells to other cultures... in canada and some other states lol
>>685892972
>lol you didn't see it happen so it doesn't happen
you know where raqqa is? it's a place that used to exist in a sovereign state before ISIS took it over village by village
you should learn a bit more about the world kid, you live a very sheltered life
I know this is /b/, but I'll still give a serious answer...
America is shit now, but not for the reasons SJW's who would wear that shit hat would believe. America is shit now for many reasons and SJW's, politicians, etc. have all had a hand in it. America had a golden age unlike any the world has seen in the modern world, America was responsible for a great many advances, so to say America wasn't great, load of horseshit from someone who refuses to accept reality.
Is this to say it wasn't done whilst many suffered? Yes, but do people understand that people TODAY did not have a hand in that? Do they understand how fucking useless it is to blame people TODAY for things done decades upon decades ago? It's one thing to give an appropriate acknowledgement to the sins of the past, it's another for people to use it as a crutch, which THEY ARE.
I really do think, if you are only going to bog America down in useless bullshit that doesn't help anyone, including yourselves, you probably should leave. There are socialist lands you can go to. There are PC paradises where you can privilege check to your hearts content, where cucks run amuck. Go, find your land. Bullshit on your money excuse, hop a train or two, bum a ride. Canada is only a border jump away? If it's so great, why not take that risk?
But nah, ya'll are all talk.
>>685892721
I wasn't claiming I did, nor attempting to take credit for it, but a nation's greatness is a product of collective effort regardless.
Christianity is dwindling in America in many parts of the country unless you're Southern like me and have to tolerate that shit.
The rest of the stuff is pretty lame, totally, but it seems you're taking this pessimistic outlook to its logical extreme while supplying no viable solutions or alternatives.
>enjoy living in a whatever
Why you're so pissed off at me when I'm just having a discussion I don't really know, but I definitely don't live in a fantasy world since I'm able to recognize there are many things still obscenely wrong with the country.
>>685892718
Ok, I'm not saying that they thought they were sending them off on a Disney cruise. There was foul play there as well, but the 400 years of chattel slavery and the treatment of blacks there after seems pretty minuscule regarding the psychological and socioeconomic effects left in our racialized American society today don't you think?
>>685892972
>extensice travells
can you even english nigger? die in a fire
>>685873891
>send all the jobs to low wage countries
>why don't get a job you lazy fuck
kys
>>685875087
u r fucking kidding me
>>685893633
It does, but to say they're wholly innocent is pretty preposterous even though I do agree that the deck has been stacked against them for the longest.
That part just stood out to me.
>>685891552
Fully half of the people in the USA go to sleep without food. How truly Great are you?
>>685878556
where the fuck did you read that trash
>>685893500
tell me 10 "advances" usa is responsible in the last 30 years
>>685894414
Source?
And nigger I go to sleep without food.
>>685894414
you are worse than lying ted cruz
oh he is such a liar he lies so much
terrible
