So I'm interested in taking shrooms but I have schizophrenia that results in delusional thinking especially on marijuana. Is it a bad idea for me to try shrooms with my condition
>>685040406
If your medicated for schizophrenia they will have a severely diminished effect.
I am I take risperdal
>>685040406
i have psychosis and smoke weed, drop acid and take mdma, just got to do these drugs while not on any prescribed drugs and with your condistion have a really close friend just to baby sit you so you wont go crazy, and you gotta remember, every thing is everything is everything
>>685040406
>Is it a bad idea for me to try shrooms with my condition
What do you think, you fucking moron?
Had a friend in collage that had the same condition, took shrooms with him. He disappeared for 4 hours. When he came back we found out he went into the wooda off campus. Said it was a really bad time. He was fine when we saw him but I dont know if 4 hours of hell is worth it.
>>685040675
That's a tranquilizer. If a person goes to the hospital on a bad trip, they give you tranquilizers.
They cured me
you prob shouldn't take if you have schixophrenia. thats the worst mental illness there is.
>>685041137
Your right man I just miss my druggin days
>>685041402
What were your first symptoms of schizo? And what age did they first start appearing?
>>685040406
>I have schizophrenia
Nah, you'll be just fine, buddy. Just have plenty of things to play with while you're tripping; power tools, machetes, firearms, etc. You'll have fun.
>>685040406
has no one else stated yet that those arent mushrooms?
truffles i think
>>685041590
I saw this transparent floating penis following me. Over the days, weeks, and months, it became more solid. The straw that broke the camels back is when it slapped me in the face.
I was diagnosed the next day.
>>685041590
18 and first symptoms was delusion thinking, but my first trip to the crazy floor was for pulling my pants down and fighting my brother.
>>685040406
you probably don't have schizophrenia, you know.
>he's right, I agree completely
>>685040406
It's a bad idea. I know a few people with mental issues and saw them try psychedelics. Paranoia and anxiety related issues tend to cause poor results. You're kinda trippy naturally. There's no guarantee you'll get much out of it or have any fun.
If you do try it, it's absolutely imperative you have a babysitter you trust and a babysitter who knows drugs. Maybe one of each if you don't have both in one friend.
>>685041958
>pulling my pants down and fighting my brother.
Sword fight? lmfao.
>>685041958
What do you mean by delusional thinking? Paranoia?
>>685041944
heh
Absolutely terrible idea. Seriously dont.
If you are on meds they will barely work.
If you aren't, there is potential for a psychotic break.
>>685040406
As long as you have a sober chaperone with you that you trust, you should be okay.
>>685040406
Fuck yes, dont do it.
>source, i did it. regret, so much regret
>>685042242
Like real sexual thoughts with people I didn't want them with, when I was working at subway I felt people were just coming in to have sex with me
>>685041833
What's the difference?
>>685040675
Risperdal make me pee in my bed! Fuck Risperdal!
Those look like walnuts I just ate like 5 grams of fresh tai
>>685042536
Interesting. For a while I thought I might be schizo but after doing research and hearing testimonials about the schizophrenic thought process I think it might just be severe anxiety.
>>685040406
OP, as a guy who normally writes really cuntish replies just to annoy people, don't do it. You're rolling the dice with your mental health. There's no magical cure for that. You can go out, drink too much alcohol and get your stomach pumped. You can get addicted to heroin and go through horrific withdrawals and eventually come out the other side, but if you start fucking with your already fragile state of mind, you're effectively throwing your life away.
It's not worth rolling that dice.
>>685040406
I have no clue if risperdal going reduce your effect (or even kill the tripp) on mushroom, if it does then would be wast eating mushroom.
If you already decide you want take mushroom or other hallucinogen drugs, I just recommend have a baby sitter if it's first time you try it...
How bad of an idea is it to go out and pick them yourself?
>>685041373
It's actually not. It's more just an involuntary rejection of the dominant accepted social and epistemological frameworks. They really don't know the actual causes of it and just use drugs to relatively sedate the people that are experiencing it to bring them back into the social fold as somewhat productive (or at least not destructive) members of the socius
>>685042147
Kek underrated post
>>685043113
Thanks anon I never knew there was a side of /b/ that cared.
>>685041009
Fuck that last part is so acid.
>>685043038
Read this on anxiety: http://www.weareplanc.org/blog/we-are-all-very-anxious/
>>685043463
That is an extremely wanky and rather uninformed post.
Schizophrenia is the inability to identify the characteristics of reality, along with a kind of social ineptitude. It's not epistemologically related whatsoever.
And they don't give them drugs solely to make them functioning parts of society, they're given treatment because it's a horrible disease that can be helped greatly, and in some cases, even cure.
tl;dr
>you're autistic
>>685044805
Mine is cured with meds
>>685040406
To put it in simple terms, your "veil" between fantasy and reality has some holes in it, as opposed to a normal person's solid one. Psychs will basically make a normal person a temporary sort of enlightened schizo by making temporary holes in their reality "veil". In your case, if you're off of your medicine, your "veil" will theoretically become thinner or dissapear, you'll trip hard as shit, and probably in a bad way, regardless of dosage.
tl;dr >Don't do it, bad fucking idea.
>>685041593
>>685041373
>>685041137
>>685043463
>>685044805
Anybody saying do it, bad idea. Anybody saying don't do it, great advice.
Like the others said have a babysitter. Consider the possibility of things going bad and triggering an episode and how bad that could go. I recommend trying just a small amount like 1g. And seeing how that goes first.
>>685040406
YOLO
Nah man.......u b fine
>>685045046
Glad to hear it anon. Fuck drugs. I used to take a lot of shrooms and acid and thankfully I copped on before I did any permanent damage, but I can't say the same for a few friends. Don't go down that hole.
>>685044805
>inability to identify the characteristics of reality
which reality are you talking about? You act like there is a static objective wold that we exist in.
I guarantee that if a human were transported from today to 2000 years ago or the reverse they would be labelled as having a terrible mental illness or something like that (12 monkeys is actually a great pop culture representation of this).
Shit, most likely if I dropped you off in a remote culture even today they'd think you were nuts.
Unless you are schizophrenic, in which case do what you have to do to get by in this crazy society (i.e. take meds). Everyone does drugs anyways, from caffeine to antidepressants - we're all medicated.
>>685040406
Be Advised
>DO NOT TAKE THEM UNLESS U ARE TOTALLY AWAKE DO NOT HURTY YOUR THIRD YOU DUMBASS NIGGER
>>685045335
>I advise you, a clinical schizophrenic, to take a gram of hallucinogenic mushrooms and expect you to be fine afterwards
>being this fucking retarded
>>685040406
It might make your condition better, you can use the mushrooms to analyze your mind.
>>685045348
You only YOLO once. Next time you are b&
>>685045046
i know someone with schizophrenia and the meds make him worse, his mind is decaying since he got on them. he says doing acid helps though. your unique experience isnt the end all
>>685045537
>>685045840
This. Everyone is different. Schizophrenia is not well understood, like most "mental illnesses". Say it's a chemical imbalance all you want. What is it that caused the imbalance? People need to read some Heidegger
>inb4 that bitch is a nazi
He was, but so was Freud pretty much
>>685041958
Delusion thinking. What do you mean by that? I had a bad acid trip like 2 months ago was my first time, it was a double dosed tab. Anyways like 2 weeks ago I got stoned af and had these weird ass thoughts, anyways I saw an armored car, like the ones that hold money. And I said lets Rob that car, and I grabbed the wheel, we probably almost died I dont really remember , it was weird as fuck honestly
>>685045679
>which reality are you talking about
Take your fucking post DMT, Joe Rogan loving ass out of here. We all live in a tangible world that we can measure physically. Healthy minded people like the overwhelming majority of the population of the planet agree on the irrefutable characteristics of life around us. Down is down, up is up, water flows, everything dies.
>if you dropped me off in the Amazon they might think I was nuts but that's because of cultural difference, not because they immediately assume that I have a delusional psychotic illness
fuck me
>>685046435
They were sexual but could be about becoming rich, like doing something real stupid would equal all the wealth I want
>>685046156
So what if Heidegger was a nazi? The nazis were right about most things.
what are some things that people you know with schizophrenia have said?
my schizophrenic friend said that he thinks people shoot at him while he jogs, he thinks animals are living in his air conditioner unit, he thinks the government manipulates pipes underneath houses in order to harvest 15 year old girls period blood, he said he thinks things are burrowing into his skin, he thinks drones follow him around, and he quit his job at the grocery store because he was afraid a nigger was going to steal a gallon of milk and he would have to wrestle with them and they might have a gun. im >>685045840
>>685045537
"fuck drugs"
you didnt just mess up yourself?
if i hit my knee with a hammer i dont blame the hammer. if you catch my drift.
>>685045679
>>685040406
Strap yourself down.
I have schizophrenia and nothing bad happened.
I took over 7000ug of LSD and over 6 grams of shrooms, I strapped myself to a chair and waited.
Whispers in my brain, I tasted color and light, I smelled music and sound. I saw demons and angels warring in a realm that was created in my brain. I saw myself and I started punching myself in the face and I felt every blow as if it was real. Cuts appeared on my arms and my skin ripped open and blew away, and I was in so much pain that I can't experience in the waking world. I cried out for God, my mother, anyone.
My body melted away and my consciousness floated off into the abyss and I experienced pure ecstasy in a realm of my own creation where I was God.
I seen shit that I can't explain using any human language or any form of communication.
Craziest fucking trip of my life.
Do it OP.
>>685046649
It was really weird like I just had this thought that I wanted to drive while baked af too and I was thinking I couldn't get hurt, was really fucking weird honestly.. May just be the later affects of acid but Idk
>>685046841
I know a guy who flips out if he hears the blues clues song. Like literally try and kill you if you even hum it.
>>685046870
>I copped on before I did any permanent damage
I clearly expressed that the problem was my use of the drugs, not the existence of drugs in general. I didn't blame the drugs. We've all got free will, I'm not blaming the fucking drugs you jackass, I'm saying fuck recreational drugs because they serve little to no purpose outside of the initial experience as a growing adult.
>>685046602
>the overwhelming majority of the population of the planet agree on the irrefutable characteristics of life around us
mfw people have been saying this since people could say things.
Fuck DMT and anyone named Rogan, especially Joe. Go read Anti-Oedipus (after you read Nietzsche and some psychoanalysis theory at the very least).
I'm not disputing that the majority of humanity agree on certain things, I'm just saying that it is a collective delusion to think that what we collectively believe at any given time is actually a transcendent reality.
>>685046776
low quality bait
>>685046979
>I started punching myself in the face and I felt every blow as if it was real.
>Do it OP
That is truly excellent advice.
>>685047504
>fuck recreational drugs
>fuck recreation
>fuck fun
>>685046602
Why don't you read my dick?
>>685047112
that just sounds like and edgefag embarrassed adolescent. Tell him to stop being an idiot. Nobody flips out because of something like that. Unless he was raped to the song and it triggers him and he doesn't know how to deal with those feelings yet
>>685046979
the big thing is its different for everbody.
have someone you trust to tripsit you, be in a place you are comfortable in and play some calming music maybe too.
if you really care about exploring your inner self, you should be willing to risk at least something.
you need to weight it out, in how dangerous this is, and how much you believe this will help you.
id rather have the experience then read about who says its either bad or good.
id rather try it and mess up, than not do it and never know, hell thats life.
you break eggs to make the pizza pasta.
>>685047504
i didnt mean to make you angry. are you okay?
>>685048201
I had no one to trip-sit me, I spent more than 16 hours in a pitch black room strapped to a chair.
>>685048201
solid advice here.
>>685040406
Give this podcast a listen OP. Listen to part 2 as well
>>685040406
I don't want to get high or have hallucinations or nothing. But I want my dick to have hallucinations about all the crazy things it can fuck. Can I just rub the shrooms on my dick and have it get high without me?
i'm on risperdal. shrooms didn't do much for me. the psychoactive parts are inhibited by the medication you're on. you'll still get kinda high but nothing that would be the whole point of taking shrooms. which is a mindblowing experience. or so i've heard. I took shrooms once in a bad situation and i ended up punching myself in the face with a cop. read that again. i literally was the cop and i punched myself in the face. but that's just a bad trip. that was before i was on risperdal tho.
I have a serious mental impairment. Is it a good idea to take an unknown dose of a substance I have no familiarity with that has a primary purpose of altering my state of mind?
>>685041373
I'd argue that bipolar with psychotic features is worse. I've thrown things at other cars on the highway while going 30+ mph faster than other traffic and tried to kill myself, my schizophrenic cousin just rambles about necromancers
>>685041220
Had 2 friends in college who were schizophrenic
One a good friend who fell off edge of relity when he was 18, another was brother of friend
Did shrooms with both at different times, it was unpleasant for both of them
>>685048487
thats a guaranteed bad trip. hell that sounds like a torture tactic.
>>685048518
thank you
>>685047587
You're approaching this entire conversation from a philosophical viewpoint, which is entirely irrelevant. OP has a mental illness and wants to know will taking psychedelics worsen his condition and you're talking about the human interpretation of the universe around us, which has nothing to do with what he's asking.
I, personally, don't believe that we have a grasp on the extent of whatever realm of reality we exist in, but we do undeniably exist in some, as proven by you and I having this uncomfortable fracas
Stop trying to preach your ideologies (which I actually agree with to a certain point) in a thread where the subject matter is completely unrelated to what you're spewing.
>>685040406
last night I bond burgered your sister.
>>685040406
Hahaha man your schizophrenia is gonna be over 9000 eat like 5 grams and become super sayian
>>685048845
Read my first post.
>>685046979
It was awful for about 7 hours, but after that I was basically lucid dreaming.
After I had sobered up, I realized my pants were sticky, I cummed in my pants multiple times throughout the trip, especially through the demonically painful parts.
Not worth it if you dont eat at least 5 grams
hey. It's me (I know you know who) Your thinking is not delusional. The fact that you think it's a delusion is the real delusion.
>>685040406
yep.
100% yep.
I wouldn't even touch aspirin if I were you without consulting a doctor. I love when people are afraid to talk to their physicians about drug use. They're doctor's, not fucking preachers. If it's bad for you, they will inform you, regardless of legality.
I save all my shit in buckets in case I want to grow mushrooms at some point in the future.
You will die.
Not even kidding.
But do it, faggot.
One fucking drug-abusing piece of shit less.
>>685049284
You sound like a thoroughly well adjusted human being.
>shizo
>already tripping on thc
>'hurrr, should i take these? lel xd'
Don't do it OP, please. Taking any kind of drugs that are not from a doctor will seriously fuck you up. Your shizophrenia is enough of a (bad)trip...
>>685049612
No, I am not. Hence the reason why I have severe delusional schizophrenia.
OP is just a fucking pussy and allowing his illness to stop him.
>>685040406
What you need to do is make sure you're prepared in case you get paranoid.
So you should strap weapons everywhere in your house, knives, loaded guns, chainsaws, vials of acid, whatever, so long as they're everywhere so that if you get paranoid you'll be able to find them easy.
Just remember where they all are so that an intruder doesn't get their hands on one.
>>685049041
This is precisely the point though. I do agree that I'm a bit off topic in terms of OP's question but I think this is a really important topic.
>from a philosophical viewpoint, which is entirely irrelevant.
This is something you should really think about. Everything we "know" is philosophical or ideological.
The issue is that you (and OP and pretty much all of us) seem to forget this. We simply accept that there is a certain base truth to reality and this is why we end up accepting things that we normally wouldn't. We do exist. Or do we? Do "I" exist? I mean, I'm having all sorts of thoughts from this very exchange and its changing "me" at this very moment. So really "I" from a moment ago no longer exist. There's just some socially mutated version of me, changing with each thought, each experience, each keystroke.
>Stop trying to preach ideologies
I suppose you mean stop communicating? Because all communication is ideology
>>685049284
cool, i can dig it.
but its deffinetly not something i would recommend to the average person.
i think that some people might just be mentally weaker than others when it comes to these intense experiences.
and they begin shouting danger danger im getting mentally damaged.
when it might just be you are really touchy with intense "groundbreaking" experiences and what not.
so yeah, i wouldn't recommend this to OP
personally
>>685050198
Exactly, you're not a well adjusted human being, which is why absolutely nobody should take your crazy fucking advice.
>>685050490
low quality bair
>>685050600
Damn, touche.
If getting high brings up your insanity then you will most likely succumb to the voices if you take shrooms.
risperdal guy again. anyone interested in a greentext of me punching myself in the face as a cop story? not much to it but something to read. will post if anyone wants.
>>685051360
Don't ask, just do
>>685040406
DON'T DRINK, DON'T SMOKE, DON'T DO DRUGS.
>>685050600
i have to agree, i dont think hes crazy at all really.
but i have to say from my limited knowledge, you dont need to do it like this.
to say he is a pussy if wont do it like this.
its not even relevant, you have no idea what his reaction to it will be. or how intence it will be.
this isnt a drinking game. it really isnt.
you dont do this to brag to your friends what an absolute mad man you are.
bad advice for a newbie.
sure do what you want after you know the deal, but be sensible the first time.
becouse when are reckless like this, trauma might actually happen.
>>685051702
thank trump, now i know how to be a winner like you papa.
>>685051312
yeah i wouldnt call it insanity, thats loaded.
but psychedelics can make scitzos worse.
so i guess watch out for that.
okay here goes then
>be me 19 or 20
>living with GF
>lived in a room we rented from GF'S friends mom
>little side story about her friend's mom? she was nuts
>slept on bed with dog shit on it
>constantly drinking
>literally tiled over dirt instead of sweeping it up first
>so decide to trip on shrooms spur of the moment
>how i do most things
>done them a bunch of times before
>had a great time erry time
>buy 5 grams ish
>take two each
>not feelin it
>play some morrowind and smoke a shit ton of weed
>GF starts feelin it
>still nothing much for me
>make the classic newbie mistake of taking more
>finally hits me
>GF and i are tripping on swirly visuals and shit
>literally can't even look at each other because she looks like a fucked up lizard version of herself with the way everything is morphing and shit
>cont
>>685050517
I hate to throw in the towel, but this conversation is going nowhere. You simply will not see sense.
By your logic we should be perennially questioning absolutely every single minute detail. About everything. All the time. You're trying so hard to be deep that you're appearing mind bogglingly narrowminded.
>I from a moment ago no longer exists
What are you even trying to say? You aren't the person you are a moment ago because you're now the person you are NOW. Fucking duh? you're speaking an awful lot without actually saying anything. You're making no points, offering nothing to the conversation outside of trite "do I really exist" statements.
Look at it this way, and you can't turn this in any other direction; there are rules to our existence. You can't survive if you don't eat food and drink water. You exist on some level, whether that be in the conventional nature that we are all prone to believing, or even if we are all figments of the imagination of some cosmic being. However ridiculous the scenario, you still exist, because here we are.
And when you throw out sentences like "some socially mutate version of me, changing with each thought, each experience, each keystroke..." You're still you, you haven't gone anywhere, you're still the same person, sitting in the same room, looking at the same screen and thinking the same trite shit that you were ten minutes ago.
>>685050517
please shut the fuck up
>>685044805
true, but the doctors job is to to help you improve your life, its to get you on your feet.
and expect you to do the rest, so i get why he would say that.
but yeah you do make more sense.
other guy doesn't necessarily have to wrong idea either. modern society is designed around a droning kind of lifestyle.
at least from what i can gather, it seems that way.
not saying its done by purpose. but people like to use other people for control. we know this.
>>685054299
i meant not to help you improve your life, jesus im a complete spastic
>>685040406
Really bad idea OP. Might as well stick a fork in a light socket.
>>685052616
I think this conversation is actually interesting so I hope you'll keep engaging.
We should be questioning a lot of things. That's the point. I mean, sure, we have certain constraints (food, water, sleep, etc. etc.) to reproduce an approximation of how we currently exist. But the universe is constantly changing (obligatory pre-Socratic philosophy: Hereclitus said "a man cannot stand in the same river twice because it is not the same river and he is not the same man).
Existence is transitory, though change from our position in space-time experiences change as relatively slow. The point of my previous comments was not to be absurd and say that we should abandon all truths. It was simply to say that all truths are provisional and every mode of existence is too. Why not just embrace the fact that we are all constantly changing and when we aren't changing it is because we are actively trying to reproduce an approximation of a previous 'moment', be that the reproduction of an individual from one moment to the next, the reproduction of a trait throughout a life, or the reproduction of a certain social order through generations.
When somebody experiences reality different than we do (so-called 'mental illness') it is just that they are not accepting to join in on our general collective delusion.
>>685053073
no yu do dis
>i start being overly loud
>GF gets anxious about loudness
>i go downstairs into her friend's mom's "zone"
>use her little washroom
>no idea why i went down there
>horrible idea
>she's talking to an animal or something
>or herself the fuck do i know at this point
>freaks me the fuck out
>so i escape back to the safety of our room
>still being loud (i have issues being loud)
>GF wants to go for a walk
>i'm all for it
>walk a bit to a playground
>i want to go run and be free and like fuck her in the bushes just live
>GF wants no part of it
>scared
>wants to sit and smoke
>i see her when she sits down to smoke a cigarette as the grim reaper
>start yelling shit about waking people up and how they have to work tomorrow
>GF freaked out
>go back to sitting quietly "ninjas in the night"
>was probably too late the cops i think had been called at this point
>don't know this
>start walking back to townhouse
>at some point during this walk the second dose of shrooms hits
>i fuckin LOSE IT
>totally lost in my ego
>think i'm god
>say some fucked up shit to GF
>she's freakin
>start walking in the street yelling at cars to come meet me
>GF makes it back to townhouse without me
>her friend's uncle is there
>"calm down we'll go find him"
>right as they leave to come find me cops blow past in my direction
>i'm still walking in the middle of the street
>cops roll up and get out confrontationally
>fightorflight.exe
>FIGHT!
>on a huge adrenaline rush at this time and jumping between people all over the planet but way too fast for it to be a good thing
>jump into cops body as i'm running at him
>punch myself in the face as cop
>BAM back in my body now
>face down on the grass
>cops do their cop thing and fuck me up
>knee on the neck
>knee to the face (i'm "resisting")
>delirious as shit in cop car
>real out of it on the way to hospital and in hospital
I wouldn't recommend doing it buddy it's not worth it. Everyone reacts differently and for all we know you could handle it fine but from my experience with psychedelics it tends to intensify mental illnesses. I sell/ grow shrooms and do a lot of acid so I'm constantly doing it with my friends. Everytime my one friend who is bipolar and we're 99% sure has mild schizophrenia does it she flips out. Last time I did it with her she stared at a ditch in the pouring rain for an hour and kept telling all of my friends how badly she needed to talk to me so I went down there and she wouldn't say anything but was legit about to cry if I tried leaving. Later on in the night she started getting really paranoid and ended up waking up her mom and sleeping with her on the couch.
If you're gonna do it anyways just make sure your in a good mood and excited to do them. Just remember it's just a drug and you'll be fine after a few hours. Happy trips friend!
>>685040406
Do it post stream pls im bored
>wake up stitched up in emerg
>still kinda fucked up
>"know where you are?"
>a room i don't know
anyways they were going to let me go but i go smart and told them they could arrest me for the the drugs i was on. went to jail. walked miles home the next morning when they let me out. called into work. blah blah. would never do shrooms with ex again if you paid me. she's guaranteed bad trip drugs or no.
Thoughts on a guy with General Anxiety Disorder taking psychedelics? Would it "cure" me or not?
>>685054598
>so called mental illness
That's more of it. You're trying to insinuate that it isn't what it is; a psychological condition that hinders the normal working of the brain. You're making it sound like we're dismissive of people with mental illnesses because they're thinking outside the box, when really, they're just sick. it would be fair enough if all schizophrenics subscribe to some other ideology, but they don't. There is no unity in the disarray of their thoughts, whereas completely healthy minded people agree on the foundation of everything else.
It's not a delusion. It is our reality, or as close as we can come to knowing what a genuine reality is. Treating it as a possible non-reality serves no purpose.
Finally, your tone suggests that somebody experiencing a reality that's inconsistent with ours is something that happens on some sort of magical level, as opposed to some of the proven scientific knowledge that we have on the effects of schizophrenia on a person.
>>685056431 Not who you're responding to but I'd love to see you in 25-40 years when more stuff comes to light, if it ever does :)
>>685057101
What do you mean, anon?
>>685056234
see
>>685048518
>Give this podcast a listen OP. Listen to part 2 as well
>>685057403 I know it sounds crazy, and I am crazy, but if you have any faith in a random person on /b/ telling you then trust there's a ridiculous amount of secret research being done on subjects such as different phenomena arising in the world which is linked somewhat with mental illness. It may not be the best example, but it's one with more information about it and some sort of credibility that's talked about currently, look into things about remote viewing and see what information you can gather if any from that. It's possible to find other crackpot theories which I personally subscribe to but truth be told they are something that needs to be seen or experienced first hand to believe.
>>685058011
>>685058212 I am not trying to mislead anyone.
>>685056431
>they're just sick
This is not an illness in the same way as, say, a virus is. It is not necessarily a genetic mutation. The fact that it is "psychological" suggests that it is connected with the social level of conscious existence.
>some of the proven scientific knowledge that we have on the effects of schizophrenia on a person.
>on the effects
That is it once again. We really don't understand schizophrenia, we understand the effects of it within a particular social organization. Did you ever stop to think that in social orders that aren't obsessed with productivity the "effects of schizophrenia" might be completely different?
I mean, if someone like Jesus actually existed I'd put money on him being schizophrenic, or at least a drug user. The pre-colonial cultures in the Americas focused their worldviews around "mystical" people like this.
It's not 'magic', it's 'science'. What does something like that even mean?
You're fine guy, the first time I did shrooms (friday). I ate 12 grams
